#assassination

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slim hamlet
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No

gusty mirage
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warrior's had spots of being dogshit

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mage hasn't

slim hamlet
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I am the main character

neon kindle
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Hunter Smug

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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oh yeah true

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BUFF MAGE

keen spruce
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warlock the main characters

gusty mirage
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FROST AND FIRE ANOTHER 5% PLS

slim hamlet
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Yep

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Fact

vestal wren
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nothing it just looks funny

gusty mirage
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nerf rogues though

slim hamlet
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Fire simming 8k higher ST than us now right?

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Saw a screenshot of 98k ST

gusty mirage
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look at sub and assassination moving UP in damage

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smh

next edge
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What about arms

gusty mirage
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nerf rogue

neon kindle
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Got my hunt to max for the first time. Those shitheeds dont have to worry about mechanics AT ALL

next edge
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arms is fkng disgusting

royal lantern
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so fire and frost get buffed 20x

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🙂

gusty mirage
next edge
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I wouldnt want to be a hunter though

slim hamlet
royal lantern
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cant wait for arcane to be irrelevant for 8years again btw

next edge
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15% of your dps tied to a rare drop

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nice design blizzard

neon kindle
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MM just fuckin Schmovin in m+

neon kindle
gusty mirage
slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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the bow isn't as giga for MM

slim hamlet
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this is good video

gusty mirage
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all mages are saying "frost is a meme"

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"it oversims"

slim hamlet
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he is a frost+arcane main too

gusty mirage
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"it has to plant"

slim hamlet
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so if he says it

neon kindle
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What if, we all reroll prot war

slim hamlet
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imagine a mage player actually having brain to say their class is actually good

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damn

gusty mirage
neon kindle
gusty mirage
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look how terrible frost is

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on a movement heavy fight

slim hamlet
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Yea

gusty mirage
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like terros

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just awful

next edge
gusty mirage
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one of the worst fights for frost

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does more damage than 2 rogue specs

slim hamlet
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Yeah or lets look at overall, so the fights like council and brood it just gets omega fuckd

neon kindle
gusty mirage
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they should nerf rogue again

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sub is above a blue class

slim hamlet
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True

gusty mirage
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nerf all 3 specs just to be safe

slim hamlet
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Sin aoe specifically

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And buff sub ST

gusty mirage
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on the left side of the tree

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again

neon kindle
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Fuckin sepsis

slim hamlet
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isnt that a good thing

neon kindle
gusty mirage
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no

royal lantern
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put amp poison in a chose node togheter with DtB and Kingsbane

next edge
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how is it good

solid mica
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Its bobbys class bro, always needs a buff

gusty mirage
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because nothing will make that side of the tree good

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LMAO

royal lantern
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and zoldyck aswell

neon kindle
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Left side of the tree is straight up pvp

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Its good

royal lantern
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make rogue special by giving it a choice node with with 4 options

neon kindle
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Just not for pve

agile geode
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Hoping for exang rework

gusty mirage
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someone unironically told me "wdym rogues are fine they buffed sub"

slim hamlet
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Man what I really want is sepsis to actually be a good choice for m+, not being able to restealth onto next pack but having sepsis would be so nice, just sucks u lose stuff like SS for it

gusty mirage
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and I blocked them

neon kindle
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But ima be real, shit doesnt feel THAT satisfying to play in pvp

next edge
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uh

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I mean nerf rogue no?

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xd

slim hamlet
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Even tho sepsis is giga wack as CD I just want to be able to use imp garrote on pulls where i cant restealth

slim hamlet
agile geode
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I like the other spec but assa Is my fav

gusty mirage
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it's WAY too strong

next edge
slim hamlet
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yea

next edge
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95th percentile

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arms is 4th

slim hamlet
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Nerf PB again

next edge
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and sp is 2nd

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wtf

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KEKW

gusty mirage
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put max

neon kindle
gusty mirage
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look at what the top dogs are playing

agile geode
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Kek

gusty mirage
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for terros:

next edge
gusty mirage
next edge
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wasnt Sin op?

gusty mirage
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enhancement shaman

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crying

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about the 25% nerf

slim hamlet
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Imo make IC 1 min again and just fully take vanish away from sin

next edge
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Literally

gusty mirage
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that was adjusted to about 15%

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btw

next edge
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3rd worst spec in the game

gusty mirage
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DHs

next edge
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xd

slim hamlet
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Only the 2 other specs can have infinite vanish

gusty mirage
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crying about their nerf

neon kindle
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Actually, just keep nerfing outlaw, they seem to be enjoying it.

gusty mirage
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we do less damage to terros than an ele shaman

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think about that for a second

next edge
neon kindle
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Sub?

next edge
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buff mage

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please

neon kindle
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Or rogue in gen

gusty mirage
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frost is a meme

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ask any mage

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they'll tell you

gusty mirage
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on literally every boss

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more than fine actually

agile geode
gusty mirage
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despite wasting 2 talent points into nightstalker

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which doesn't do anything

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but they can't fix it

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cause "sub and outlaw are performing really well"

neon kindle
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Im actually p sad about that

gusty mirage
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meanwhile

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5% to frost

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LOL

next edge
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Sub can be played o nevery single boss and perform rly good

gusty mirage
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ARMS WOKE UP 8% STRONGER

next edge
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I mean

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letting NS bug

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just because

gusty mirage
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ITS A DPS GAIN FOR THEM TO PRESS IGNORE PAIN BRO

next edge
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"It might need a nerf"

gusty mirage
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SDGFHBAJLIHDJFSI

next edge
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its so dumb

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lol

slim hamlet
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Yea just saw a rotation video for arms

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Thats actually soo cool

neon kindle
slim hamlet
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makes 0 sence

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should be another button

gusty mirage
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they press ignore pain and thunderclap

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so many times

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details thinks they're a prot warrior

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lmfao

slim hamlet
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but cool they can use weird stuff to make it more interresting

solid mica
gusty mirage
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honestly

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we just got fucked

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we had a dev who cared and wanted us to have a strong baseline

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and top notch TCing

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so every rogue hits the ground sprinting

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while other classes are waiting for streamers & RWF guilds to teach them how to play their classes

slim hamlet
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Yea

gusty mirage
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it is what it is

slim hamlet
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I honestly believe we wouldnt have been nerfed if it wasnt because we have sickly good TC'ers

gusty mirage
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queue the dj khaled suffering from success meme

neon kindle
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Top coomers?

slim hamlet
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Ye

gusty mirage
neon kindle
slim hamlet
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Exactly

gusty mirage
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just look at the hours koji, fuu and whispyr put in

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by themselves

slim hamlet
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ye

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Gamers

gusty mirage
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and then factor in the work solo, cev, zac, push, and guy put in

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and a few others

slim hamlet
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We gotta sandbag like boomking, fuck up apl like warlock or cry like mages

neon kindle
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Fuu kindve a fuckin labber

slim hamlet
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We just gotta choose one

neon kindle
slim hamlet
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Is koji outlaw boi?

gusty mirage
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like we have a ton of manpower going into making sure we're milking every ounce of DPS

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koji is everything boi

slim hamlet
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damn

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Never seen his name

gusty mirage
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he plays all 3 specs

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and absolutely adores this class

slim hamlet
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chad

next edge
gusty mirage
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AND

next edge
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I thought

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Sin was super broken

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in ST

gusty mirage
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he helps out with TCing for DH

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lol

next edge
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and needed infinite nerf

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no?

slim hamlet
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ew dh

next edge
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not even top5 btw

gusty mirage
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koji huge brain

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I know there's a huge movement in the wow community to shit on class discords

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but like

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RH is fucking top notch

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and places like the warlock shithole and the shit azor pulls in the hunter discord

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makes it hard to defend class discords

barren hare
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Does anyone use hekili or is it a bad habit I shouldn’t use

gusty mirage
barren hare
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I usually top the chart with it but

gusty mirage
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and hammer home the rotation into muscle memory

feral rivet
neon kindle
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Honestly i never knew the culture surrounding these kinda discords. I kinda just assumed all the other ones were like this one. Hard dedicated, crazy passionate people labbin up for the good of the community. Then i checked hunter discord...

barren hare
slim hamlet
gusty mirage
neon kindle
slim hamlet
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When I see him on max stream and stuff it seems like he is gaming the game

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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you know the book of shadows we do for free?

slim hamlet
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mans gotta make money i guess

gusty mirage
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he paywalls one for hunters

slim hamlet
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wtf is book of shadows

gusty mirage
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!def

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slim hamlet
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oh yea I looked at that

gusty mirage
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and then I found out azor charges for it

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so if you mfers want me to finish it

slim hamlet
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nah cba

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I just click stuff until it works

gusty mirage
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honestly I just haven't had the time

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or the willpower

next edge
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Friendly reminder that Frost is 4th best ST spec in the game

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and got a 5% buff

gusty mirage
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it oversims

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ask mr. frozensoviet

slim hamlet
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I mean rogue is so popular in high keys I think most already know what which stuff can be used for in m+ at least

barren hare
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Frost does go brrrr tho

next edge
slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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needs another 5% I think

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its simming at 100k

slim hamlet
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Its because that when u click frostbolt u do and so that works and then it does more dmg

gusty mirage
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not high enough

solid mica
gusty mirage
next edge
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and so on

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so mage basically has

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2 specs

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on top 4 best specs for Kurog

gusty mirage
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was the excuse I was given

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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when I was asked to go full ST

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and I watch the mage

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obliterate me in ST

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and obliterate other people on the adds

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and then I wake up the next day

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frost mage 5% aura buff

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like oh okay

next edge
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and goes

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brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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one day to another

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top3 spec in the gmae

gusty mirage
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was that they nerfed CP generation for outlaw

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because it's "too strong in m+"

slim hamlet
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fuck em

gusty mirage
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and didn't touch blade flurry

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LOL

slim hamlet
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spit

gusty mirage
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so I guess fuck you outlaw rogues you lose DPS in ST

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idk

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the balancing decisions are wild

slim hamlet
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I mean

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its fine

neon kindle
slim hamlet
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just weird they fucked the gameplay too

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for no actual reason

next edge
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as always said

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being good on alpha/beta

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is a fucking doom situation

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becasue everyone thinks rogue is broken

gusty mirage
next edge
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because it was good 4 months ago

gusty mirage
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very good patch

next edge
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and yeah as Rogue ur just tied toDTB now

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lol

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sin*

slim hamlet
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10.0.5 just simply sucked ass for rogue

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class tree changes yesp lease

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get rid of the rest

gusty mirage
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lost my build diversity, and watch arms do 8% more damage pressing ignore pain

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also lost my execute copium

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can't even lie to myself

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and say I DO MORE EXECUTE DAMAGE WAHOO

slim hamlet
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So ill go check out arms discord

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later losers

gusty mirage
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I'm just gonna learn sub

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until that gets nerfed

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then I'm going to learn how to french kiss a moving semi truck

next edge
solid mica
formal cliff
gusty mirage
thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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yo thats insane

next edge
gusty mirage
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still don't have a sword

next edge
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nerf to compensate

dark token
gusty mirage
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what do we do when they nerf sub

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for overperforming

thorn fjord
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Just craft one forehead

dark token
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quitr

brazen zodiac
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no dont swap

gusty mirage
brazen zodiac
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theres still a chance

gusty mirage
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I was asked to play sub for raz

dark token
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i knew i would sub for raz

slim hamlet
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Dont worry we get buffed next reset

dark token
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so ive been playing sub all expac

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as a result

next edge
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on raz

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I love it

gusty mirage
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which does fuck all for us in raid

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lmao

dark token
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then sin could MAYBE be good in mass aoe

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MAYBE

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probably other classes still better

gusty mirage
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or instead of an AoE shiv

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hear me out

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what about an aoe flourish

slim hamlet
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trust

gusty mirage
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that's been suggested

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for 4 years now

magic vine
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make ap explode your dots

dark token
slim hamlet
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Reverting the aura nerf we got first week and maybe even PB

dark token
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whats that

dark token
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aoe exang + agi

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remove exang

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gg

gusty mirage
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except for dots

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its an aoe exsang

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but like

dark token
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why not an instant exang

gusty mirage
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you actually get more damage

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because exsang itself isn't actually anymore damage

dark token
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yeah ik

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but this is instant burst which helps in raid

gusty mirage
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like 8 billion times

neon kindle
dark token
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replace ap with this

neon kindle
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Lmao

slim hamlet
# gusty mirage

so the thing people got memed on for saying make exsang just faster ticks and aoe

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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I would like that

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would have to be tuned correctly

dark token
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i want

  1. uncapped IC
  2. uncapped scent
  3. vein ripper instead of AP
  4. AP instead of exang
slim hamlet
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Otherwise we might be usefull aoe

dark token
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boom spec fixed

slim hamlet
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We cant have that

dark token
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useful aoe

slim hamlet
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AHAHAHAHA

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SCNET

dark token
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ye

slim hamlet
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SCENT

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fuck me

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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Yea that aint gonna work

gusty mirage
dark token
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im pretty sure

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if you uncap scent and IC rn

slim hamlet
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man

dark token
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sin still would be worse than sub and outlaw in dungeons

slim hamlet
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U do realise u just one shot stuff like tree boss then

gusty mirage
solid mica
# gusty mirage you too??

"Yea bro, were gonna need you to go sub for the insane "funnel". Yo whats this i see? 2 black powders??!!, go back outlaw"

dark token
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ye shot

gusty mirage
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are you insane?

dark token
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problem?

slim hamlet
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Yea if scent and ic was uncapped this spec would be kinda insane

gusty mirage
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12 target pull

dark token
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our unholy did 1m burst on that boss

gusty mirage
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x3% agility

dark token
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?

gusty mirage
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you're suggesting 36% agility increase

dark token
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yerah

gusty mirage
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would be worse than sub or outlaw?

dark token
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thats not even that bad

slim hamlet
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nah

gusty mirage
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are you high?

dark token
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compared to other classes

magic vine
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i think instead of going for something like that, having something mid-tree that helps spread bleeds would be better. or have like CT extend existing bleeds instead of having its own little one

slim hamlet
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Much rather have other changes than that

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Would be such a boring way to be competitive

gusty mirage
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imagine the tree boss room in algathar

slim hamlet
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And would still make our cleave be shit

gusty mirage
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you'd have double the fucking agility

dark token
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yeah

gusty mirage
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you'd be 2 people in 1

dark token
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so what

gusty mirage
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and you think it'd be worse than sub or outlaw?

dark token
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unholy is already 3 of us

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and better ST

marble hemlock
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We might be doing the same damage a DH is doing, oh noes

dark token
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yeah

slim hamlet
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MAN STOP TALKING UHDK

dark token
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exactly

slim hamlet
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Malding

wispy summit
slim hamlet
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U dont need to be like uhdk

dark token
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sin needs major aoe buff

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100% agi

wispy summit
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unholy pets go BRRRRRR

slim hamlet
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Just play it

dark token
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would not even cut it

gusty mirage
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bro

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assassination needs a major buff

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in general

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not just aoe

marble hemlock
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Assa doesnt need a major AoE buff

slim hamlet
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That change would be so bad

gusty mirage
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😦

slim hamlet
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Would only make a diff in NO, HoV and AA

wispy summit
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You got 2 rogues speccs on top of every dps sims in the current patch

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And we need a buff?

slim hamlet
dark token
slim hamlet
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No shot that aint bait

gusty mirage
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yes, assassination needs a buff

dark token
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but cleave is awful

amber briar
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So it’s not just me that feels like I do small dmg doing 23k overall at 361

dark token
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hence why its bad in raid

slim hamlet
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Nah he baiting

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
marble hemlock
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I dont even want that incarnation of it. I just want vein ripper to replace exsanguinate (its literally how you exsanguinate, by opening peoples veins), but just smth that consumes bleeds and starts the "ramp" anew. Doesnt have to be agi either, could be some other buff you gain temporarily after using vein ripper, dont really care.

Or give us flourish. But for dots. Thanks.

slim hamlet
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man this channel is so copium

timber basalt
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isn't exsang literally flourish?

dark token
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no

gusty mirage
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no

slim hamlet
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none if this ever gonna happen

dark token
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its worse

wispy summit
gusty mirage
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exsang doesn't double the duration

timber basalt
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but the effect is the same, right

gusty mirage
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exsang is half of what flourish is

timber basalt
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flourish just does +8sec of hots or whatever it was

dark token
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@gusty mirage if sub gets nerfed, reroll feral. sin gameplay but more modern and smoother, and actual good overalls in dungeons

gusty mirage
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doesn't matter anymore tbh, chances are I'm done at the end of the tier

peak basin
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Am I supposed to use puzzle/exsang on CD or should I be always syncing with deathmark (wasting a min of puzzle/exsang)?

gusty mirage
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I essentially raid log until my guild guilts me into doing keys to fill my vault

amber briar
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I got nothing to compare I guess I took a year break of rogue and mained a tank always loved assasa from bc up. I guess I need more gear to see where it stands

gusty mirage
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and then when you get up to a pretty decent baseline we can go over logs with you

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😄

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because tbh a LOT of damage comes from consumables & enchants

wispy summit
dark token
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eh im comparing it to m0 week

gusty mirage
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and if you're 360-370ilvl its just not worth dumping the gold into it

amber briar
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Word tempral blades is aoe spec or ?

slim hamlet
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I have been doing 20's since 2nd week, but only have one 421 piece 🙂

dark token
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was doing 30-40k in m0s

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
amber briar
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Word before this new change I liked the spec pre patch I felt like I did more

gusty mirage
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staring at my wall's kinda chill tho

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you ever have one of those moments where you space out for 5 minutes and think about absolutely nothing?

wispy summit
thorn fjord
wispy summit
gusty mirage
amber briar
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Is it worth blowing 2 sparks on daggers early on?

gusty mirage
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you'd worry about crafting a 2nd dagger once you get all your other slots figured out

wispy summit
dark token
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just be lucky like me

gusty mirage
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but 100% craft a dagger

magic vine
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its not just consumes and enchants, but at low ilvl content shit dies so fast, and tanks pull all weird, so its really hard to go "yea you should be able to hit X"

gusty mirage
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because you can upgrade that crafted dagger to 418 ilvl

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which is a massive gain

thorn fjord
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Kinda sucks that it’s 418 would have been nice to get a try hard option for 421s

dark token
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imagine IC is a passive

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is sin fixed?

gusty mirage
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IC passive would make seli mald beyond belief

dark token
amber briar
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Word thanks for the advice I do have all 5 sparks just unsure what to go work towards this helps

dark token
thorn fjord
thorn fjord
gusty mirage
dark token
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i highly suggest a ring

magic vine
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mh dagger is going to be a good craft, because even if you get drops that are better you can always put it in OH

gusty mirage
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^

amber briar
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Makes sense

magic vine
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also be aware that you can't insta make your stuff 418

gusty mirage
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and then you crank

magic vine
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unless you've got people carrying you through +16s 😄

thorn fjord
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You can if you’re an rng god @magic vine

gusty mirage
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yea if you got a group of friends who can get you a buncha 16s done

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it'll make life so much easier

thorn fjord
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Oh yeah that

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I’m sitting on 14 conc right now 😑

amber briar
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Yeah my bdk is main xD living the dps side of life tho

thorn fjord
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Got no more upgrades tho 😞

gusty mirage
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as well as primal chaos?

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what am I supposed to spend my 2500 primal chaos on?

magic vine
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neck gets recommended a lot because its one of the best single slot embelishments and is good on every spec, so its never 'wasted'

amber briar
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Eh I feel like that would defeat the purpose lol primal chaos I could see tho

gusty mirage
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yeah at least primal chaos

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because my alt has 4 sparks

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and a grand total of 100 primal chaos

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LOL

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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for funsies

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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so I have 200 r2s and 100 r3s

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I think I'm okay

magic vine
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i should make the snowball set 🙂

gusty mirage
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yes

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convince others to do it too

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so I can get that free research pls

thorn fjord
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You’re on malganis right?

gusty mirage
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who me?

thorn fjord
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Yeah

gusty mirage
#

no sir

#

illidan

thorn fjord
#

I guess wrong

gusty mirage
#

I enjoy playing server stability roulette every tuesday

thorn fjord
#

Did you guys get a huge influx of Chinese players after the server shut downs

gusty mirage
#

idk I have trade chat turned off

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and I don't pug

thorn fjord
#

That doesn’t surprise me at all

gusty mirage
#

I'm assuming yes though

#

because illidan had a ton of chinese players already

thorn fjord
#

There was a dude in vault general spamming anti Chinese propaganda the night they were shut down lol

boreal cloud
#

arterial or IC for m+? or is it mostly personal preference?

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
boreal cloud
#

IC forsen1

neat plank
#

i'm so stuck and demoralized on assassination mage tower it makes me wanna quit WoW as a whole

thorn fjord
#

Since I’m essentially geared the fuck out i picked up gran turismo 7 today

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Excited

gusty mirage
#

last time it was around

magic vine
#

always ic for m+, your technical question is dtb or ap (with dtb being better)

gusty mirage
#

I did the assassination one

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and my will to finish the rest

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evaporated

#

I attempted the outlaw one once

thorn fjord
#

It’s not that bad once you figure out the kidney kick rotation on those fucks

neat plank
#

and fuu says none of them should be particularly hard or something, like does that mean im dogshit

gusty mirage
#

and said I already have the mog fuck it

thorn fjord
#

Sub one is easiest

gusty mirage
neat plank
#

yeah sub took about 5 tries, been wiping all day on assassination

gusty mirage
#

your best bet is to save cloak for the shitty overlaps

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and pray

thorn fjord
#

IW might be nice for the sin one

gusty mirage
#

you can RNG into some terrible overlaps

#

and it's actual misery

neat plank
#

the problem is im not even close to getting it, theres an enrage timer and i just cant see how i can make it

thorn fjord
#

Fuck that tho I did those all back in legion

#

Never again

gusty mirage
#

lol

neat plank
#

the only way to survive is to be super careful but then i do too little dps

gusty mirage
#

and I got the actual worst weapon tmog

#

unlucky

thorn fjord
#

There was no way I wasn’t gonna get the OL mog back then

gusty mirage
#

I'd imagine it is

neat plank
#

yeah i saw it

#

read the guide and everything

#

its just impossible 🙂

thorn fjord
#

Nah it’s not

gusty mirage
#

it's just super tightly tuned

neat plank
#

its impossible.. for me :p

gusty mirage
#

it's giga unforgiving

thorn fjord
#

Believe and achieve my friend

gusty mirage
#

and it makes you want to punch your monitor

thorn fjord
#

I’ve chucked my naga across the room a few times

neat plank
#

the throwing axes follow me around

#

i see them a mile away

#

and still cant avoid them

#

doesnt matter where i stand they get me

dark token
#

Sin channel dooming. Outlaw channel dooming. Sub channel chilling

dark token
#

Sub and outlaw are also easier fyi

unreal bear
#

playing no exsang makes me feel like im playing wrath all over again with how little i have to do or think about

neat plank
steel ridge
neat plank
steel ridge
#

Actually the shortest amount of the three

strange python
neat plank
#

either you got it or you dont lol

steel ridge
#

Like 2 hours or something

#

You need a solid strategy

neat plank
#

i cant even keep my bleeds up

steel ridge
#

And well sorted gear

strange python
#

Well consider a different talent build too

steel ridge
#

its about learning the fight thoroughly

unreal bear
strange python
#

Sure

neat plank
#

its not complicated, its just overwhelming and the dps check is too high for me

steel ridge
#

The dps check is tight

neat plank
#

sub is a joke compared to this, 1 target, 1 ability at a time, basically just do your pve rotation and collect reward lol

steel ridge
#

sub is easy once you learn the tricks, like jumping over the barriers

strange python
#

I've heard the sin one is easier as enhance

#

Or dk? I forget

steel ridge
#

no idea how hard the df version is tuned since you have more talents and stuff

#

did it end of shadowlands Comfy

neat plank
unreal bear
#

sorry, i didnt mean mage tower

#

just playing no exsang in general

#

mage tower is humbling for sure

boreal cloud
#

you never rupture in AoE outside of low target cleave and IC?

static glacier
#

Depends how long mobs are gonna live

#

You need a certain amount out for energy

boreal cloud
#

uhh like for example one of the ballista packs in Nokhud with 6 targets

#

how would I approach that pull assuming IC is on CD

static glacier
#

I personally keep 3-5 ruptures out if the pack is healthy

#

The lower the mobs are the more I envenom and less I rupture

#

Assuming you know the opener (3x stealth garrotte) you’d then CT and rupture a few mobs til energy gain is sufficient

#

Outside of that aiming to line up IC with ER should let you keep high uptime on aoe ruptures if you’re pandemicing the ruptures with IC

boreal cloud
#

ok but you dont "have" to spread rupture to every mob

static glacier
#

Not really, no

#

Not too long ago Whispyr had a spreadsheet for 8t for sims posted with different dps values of approaching a fight with different prio

boreal cloud
#

and in high target counts, for example AA, do I just use envenom to keep up the buff? or is it ever worth using over CT for poison bomb procs?

steel ridge
#

at that point you just spam CT

unreal bear
#

if you spam CT, you will do more damage than spamming poison bomb

barren hare
#

Mage tower took me about 60 tries 🫠

static glacier
#

At mass aoe you spam CT

boreal cloud
#

so never play around poison bomb? do I still use envenom for the buff or literally just spam CT?

unreal bear
#

personally, and i dont know if its optimal, i will maintain envenom when i have excess energy from so many bleeds rolling on aoe

static glacier
#

Ngl if I know I’m fighting mass aoe (algethar) I typically go sub. You’d need one of the few sin m+ one tricks to sort you out regarding this

steel ridge
#

i did a 21 academy as sin earlier and it was not so bad

#

lust pulls with puzzlebox and pot are pump

tender kelp
#

yeah I also enjoy academy as sin

steel ridge
#

bolstering kinda prohibits chain pulling

#

so our restealth issue is kinda not as prevalent

static glacier
#

Honestly it’s kinda lame how we’re so reliant on re stealth

brazen zodiac
#

sneaky boyz

static glacier
#

Ironically the spec that cares the least about stealthing is sub

steel ridge
#

sub gives a flying fuck about restealths

dark token
#

They all don't care

nocturne current
#

What's like a range for an average damage per exsang cast.

dark token
#

0

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It doesn't increase dam

nocturne current
#

.. the damage you deal from the consumption

steel ridge
#

delete exsang

nocturne current
#

dunn wanna resub to check out how much is 80% of a cycle lol

boreal cloud
#

ye I would go sub too in AA but I want to switch it up so I dont lose my mind farming for mastery trinket there

brazen nimbus
royal lantern
storm onyx
steel ridge
#

replace with shorter vanish cd

storm onyx
steel ridge
#

"vanish cd is reduced by 1 sec for every cp you spend"

#

have vanish up for every pack, for more garrotes

royal lantern
#

vanish consumed all bleeds and made them do their remaning dmg, you gained agility for 30sec for each bleed consumed

gusty mirage
#

How have we come full circle to exsang again

royal lantern
#

and im always ready to shit on exsang

storm onyx
#

true, thats compressed Exsan .lol

steel ridge
#

compressed aoe exsang

#

fuck ST exsang

#

but honestly, i dont need anymore buttons, i want something that enhances whats already there

storm onyx
#

Tbh, Vanish CD reduction would open more tricks and dynamic to play

steel ridge
#

everything would open more tricks than exsang

echo heath
#

I love exsang, exsang can have my babies, its such a fun button to press

steel ridge
#

fuck that ability

royal lantern
steel ridge
#

so?

echo heath
#

Bring back assurance of consequence trinket?

storm onyx
#

CDR rate can be tuned np, wouldnt be perma

royal lantern
# steel ridge so?

then you just created multiple mandatory talents cus assa will be balanced around having near 100%uptime on improved garrote?

#

🙂

steel ridge
#

hm

#

yeah well, garrote is just an important part of the kit, idk

next edge
#

If perms impro garrote is a thing

#

What's the engagement about using it

#

Impro garrot needs to be a situational uptime and not full uptime

#

Otherwise what's the point

royal lantern
#

thjats my point

next edge
#

It's like saying

#

Give sub 100% shadow uptime

lament warren
#

sub has that

#

kinda owns

#

and by 100% i mean 20% in single target

#

but that’s basically the same thing

next edge
storm onyx
#

noone is asking it to be perma

royal lantern
#

the improved garrote uptime would be higher then the normal garrote one lol

strange python
#

Does anyone else hope our next tier set reduces the exsang CD based on energy spent?

next edge
#

Wouldn't mind it

royal lantern
#

oh wait

strange python
#

I liked that

royal lantern
#

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand blocked

strange python
#

As long as sub 4 set never comes back

royal lantern
#

i dont negotiate with terrorists

storm onyx
#

Also it was just an example i think.

willow sundial
tender kelp
#

good times

#

not like spiteful

lament warren
#

bolstering needs to be removed

storm onyx
royal lantern
#

we reached the point where we have almost no affixes left

#

bolstering is ok

lament warren
#

it’s a timewaster affix and that makes them unplayable

royal lantern
#

they even made it run out

lament warren
#

bolstering is not ok lol

royal lantern
#

just dont mindless aoe lol

willow sundial
lament warren
#

bolstering is terrible

tender kelp
#

well its better than it was before

#

at least it runs out

lament warren
#

optimally it would just not exist

tender kelp
#

after some secs

storm onyx
#

You asked for 3

willow sundial
lament warren
#

i don’t think any affix should make keys untimeable

storm onyx
#

Thats worn affect, not embelishment either

willow sundial
#

Aight

#

I just missed that

#

I just thought it was all of them that counted towards the max 2

#

guess Im missing the well fed one then

nocturne current
#

Is it a bigger DPS loss if you let a bleed drop for a second or if you refresh 1 second before the pandemic (accounting the energy you waste refreshing)?

tender kelp
#

but i havent had an issue yet with it, only in azure

#

with that big guy at the end

lament warren
#

it’s just like enter 24-25 tno

#

can’t chain at all

#

lose infinite time

#

academy as well loses infinite time

tender kelp
#
  • u cannot do big pulls
#

so yeah i get that its not great

#

maybe like nerf the dmg increase and health, and it should be ok

lament warren
#

m+ might be giga boring without affixes but i can’t think of a single affix where it’s like man i’m so excited to play around this mechanic

#

they’re in two groups

#

really annoying or straight up time wasters

tender kelp
#

im so excited to play around sanguine, my gtfo addon wont stop screaming

#

thats true

lament warren
#

sanguine used to be just annoying

#

but there’s so lieutenants that just cast in shit now

tender kelp
#

hov

lament warren
#

rlp last pack is terrible about that

nocturne current
#

!pandemic

prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

tender kelp
#

that ranged idiots

#

i mean you can los

lament warren
#

they can be displaced

tender kelp
#

but on pug its sometimes an adventure out there

lament warren
#

so it’s not so bad

tender kelp
#

ye rlp is bad, with the storm callers

#

i think one of my least fav affixes would be spiteful for sure

#

thinking about not playin sin that week again

lament warren
#

spiteful doesn’t target me ez

tender kelp
#

because it was just a pain

lament warren
#

therefore good affix

tender kelp
#

ye u lucky b*

lament warren
#

start death striking daughter

tender kelp
#

theres actually a window before it targets you

#

so if the pack is dead, you have a bit of time to restealth and just run

tender kelp
lament warren
#

mb

tender kelp
#

all g

lament warren
#

i was only using it as general exclamative

#

gomen

tender kelp
#

i know

#

i just like to correct ppl

lament warren
#

no worries :3

#

ty for correcting

tender kelp
lament warren
tender kelp
#

welp

#

also its kinda sad

#

being 1st on my realm as assa

#

while having only 2,7k

lament warren
#

i think sin is good so

#

obtain 3k

tender kelp
#

i think it is yeah

#

i might need a full premade group for 3k

#

and a bit of mythic raiding

lament warren
#

perhaps

#

btags make life way easier

eternal steeple
#

Hey , idk if it's french translation that sucks but , does letal mark duplicate your garrot / rip wich were already applied or does it duplicate next ones ?

#

tooltip is not very clear , at least in french x)

lament warren
#

yes

#

already and next

#

as long as lethal mark is up it will duplicate everything no matter what

#

previous or next

eternal steeple
#

noice , ty 🙂

brazen nimbus
willow sundial
gusty mirage
#

it does not

#

it just saves you some gold

lament warren
#

gives you timer increase in keys kinda big

willow sundial
#

quick sims tells me to puzzle after exsang, has there been some apl changes or is it just stupid

lament warren
#

sims have always minorly preferred box after dm

#

it just does not matter

vestal wren
#

puzzle box is used off gcd in the sim

#

if you look at the time stamp, it uses it together

image.png
lament warren
#

think he just means as opposed to after er before exsang and dm

vestal wren
#

you can macro exsang and puzzle box

brittle burrow
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
magic vine
#

exsang->box has the benefit of being two things you always are sending together so you only have to remember to not move

frail rivet
#

bet my ass someone has asked for the mage tower wa

#

already

#

nvm... would be really helpful :C

strange python
#

It's hilarious to me how outlaws have wild and extensive apl/rotation changes every week that ultimately wind up meaning effectively nothing

nocturne current
#

Which one is the worse performance scenario, letting the bleed full tick and drop for 1 second or refreshing 1 second before the pandemic time? (I don't know the damage loss p/ energy wasted ratio)

#

I guess the energy wasted on the second scenario is meaningless, right? Unless you spend the whole fight refreshing out of pandemic.

spice spire
#

@thorn fjord Acquired

regal yarrow
#

!plater

dense herald
#

(I’d personally love to use it with exang, I think using it after ER would feel clunky)

vestal wren
#

i think macroing it to exsang seem easy enough

#

and then pressing the key twice fast

dense herald
#

Yes but at what cost, are we losing a modest amount of value of the mastery by delaying it and casting it there?

#

Are there sims of comparisons of puzzle uses at different times?

pseudo hamlet
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
#

the sim does use it off gcd like i mentioned

main vessel
#

WoWA now includes details about how much energy Thistle Tea generates and includes details about your Exsanguinate casts:

image.png image.png
vestal wren
#

^ you can read the discussion about it here

limber lion
dense herald
pseudo hamlet
#

Which trinkets are noteworthy for M+? Whispering + Boon are currently simming highest. Tried to sim Whispering(408) + Puzzle(415), it's better combination than HoV(415) + either of them.

thorn crater
#

try simming the tank trinket from hov

tender kelp
vapid sierra
#

how come swapping my gems for crit/vers to crit/mastery is only 0.3%

dire lodge
#

That new shiv talent is kind of insane in bgs lol

#

How’s it doing pve

vapid sierra
#

not good

formal cliff
dire lodge
#

Oh

formal cliff
#

but big in aoe

dire lodge
#

Guess it’s gonna be like the rotten for sub

vapid sierra
dire lodge
#

Trash pve good pvp

vapid sierra
#

but still bring someone with a sooth, its a loss

dire lodge
#

That’s fair, thanks

formal cliff
vapid sierra
#

im torn between the two

#

outlaw giga aoe sin giga st

magic vine
torpid spoke
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
teal ember
#

should i hold my 2nd deathmark and vanish in the fight with exsang? and puzzle?

#

or should i just vanish garrote into death mark

formal cliff
naive sable
#

Oh man, the new SIN talents feel good in M+.

agile talon
formal cliff
teal ember
shut thistle
dense herald
#

If running shrouded suffo, when going into a DM window if I vanish garrote and get a full duration garrote, is a single garrote okay? Or do you always want to cast a second garrote within the 3s to get the ‘initial’ damage + combo points?

formal cliff
#

sin is fine in M+

naive sable
#

@shut thistle I mostly play Sub and honestly prefer SIN's AOE rotation because Sub is like 4 buttons total in M+.

pallid mesa
naive sable
#

Spin, spin, spin, SD, spin, Technique, Spin

#

Sub does indeed do more damage, but I've always love the dots of SIN and shiv feels good right now.

pallid mesa
#

AoE Iron Wire on CoS imps is amazing btw.

shut thistle
naive sable
#

AoE Iron Wire on anything feels incredible.

#

Dath with adds, watching all of them silence on the platform is awesome.

pallid mesa
#

The first time I did it my tank was confused as to why they didn't cast smugKyoko

vale abyss
#

Hi, since we have two talent tree options for m+, in what situations do you want AP or DTB. Overall DMG is nice in algethar etc but the build seems to lack in specific situations. How do I decide which Talent tree to pick ?

gusty mirage
#

you won't ever play AP outside of council in raid

formal cliff
#

ap never

#

lol

vernal plinth
#

okay dumb question what phial is htat in the opener

gusty mirage
#

potion of ultimate power

shut thistle
#

I see. Shame sub does more damage. I do find it less fun to AOE with. Sin always feels nicer but with how I do my content with random people, I'll have to play the ol' reliable.

vernal plinth
#

damnit lol

#

thanks

#

also can you only apply buzzing rune to mh>

gusty mirage
#

no prob keksalute

#

and it's not a dumb question

#

there's like 800,000 new potions

#

its a fair question tbh

#

lol

pallid mesa
gusty mirage
#

for some ungodly reason

vernal plinth
#

for sure lol, i was in a pinch, bought tepid vers after looking at the sim page haha

gusty mirage
#

so wait 2s and then try it again

vernal plinth
#

kk

pallid mesa
gusty mirage
#

or what I do cause I'm stupid, is I apply one -> phial -> apply 2nd

vale abyss
gusty mirage
#

otherwise I just waste at least 2 a night clicking them too quick

magic vine
#

dunno about m+, but the ap st build is less of a loss than dropping exsang and i see people doing that lol

pallid mesa
#

I run AP with Exsang shiftyeyes

gusty mirage
#

I mean AP+IC is more aoe than DTB + IC

#

but you sacrifice way too much ST for it to ever be worth

#

because our aoe still sucks

magic vine
#

they just need ap to like, apply a 100% bleed buff split between each target it hits (ie same result for 5 targets, but no loss on less targets hit)

naive sable
#

they also need to give SIN the SUB rupture talent that applies to two

magic vine
#

nah i mean the ap/dtb setup over default dtb. which probably handles period adds better? i haven't tried simming that stuff out since i still haven't gotten 4p myself

shut thistle
#

God I hate Exsang. Wish that had a good alternative. 2% is too much to give up. At least let us sync it with other 2 min stuff.

magic vine
naive sable
#

exang never feels good

shut thistle
#

Hmm. Then it becomes a 4 min cd essentially! Still, better since I like to feel like I am doing something smart and methodical by syncing up but a 4 min cd is still too high! 😛

indigo pollen
#

anyone having issues with mouse turning or is my mouse breaking

magic vine
#

its fight timer dependant i think? honestly unsure if its always best to hold for the next dm or if you want to not lose casts

#

sometimes the dragon flying like, forgets you have a mouse until you land

peak basin
shut thistle
#

Suppose amount of casts trump the syncing but in a 5 min fight you will use it twice anyway, so just sync it.

While a 6 to 7 min fight, I can see it being a loss to hold and lose a cast.

spice spire
#

Yeah it ends up being a tricky decision

#

Essentially you gotta map out your timer

#

Also if it’s 6 minute exactly, it’s good to hold for 5 with pot

nocturne current
hasty cargo
#

what poisons do you use with dragon tempered blades?

balmy condor
#

Amp deadly

earnest imp
#

!logs

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

acoustic geyser
#

Now that Venom Rush is out of the build (DTB, maybe I missed an earlier iteration), is there any issues stemming from energy generation? I didn't really have much of a problem prior but that's when I had it on so I'm a tiny bit concerned

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
acoustic geyser
#

😩

#

Thanks seemsgood

thorn fjord
balmy condor
#

Assassination slow spec

#

Yep

past bobcat
#

Still viable to not play exsang?

spice spire
#

Leveled up my catalyst pants this week SMH

gusty mirage
#

whats your definition of viable

formal cliff
#

^blizzard waiting for me to do the same

#

for them to gimme puzzlebox