assassination

[balmy condor]

Im done with this lmao

[thorn fjord]

My damage seems so meh though.. I dont start showing top boss dmg till he's around 42-45% but even then im only at like 80 dps

feels super low

[ebon notch]

are you sure you're maintaining double dots

[lament warren]

80 is pretty low

most people are usually above 70000

[ebon notch]

especially when the add is below 35%

[thorn fjord]

80k lol

[ebon notch]

because you are getting your zoldyck value

[thorn crater]

funny

[indigo epoch]

Random thought: i miss rupture procing PB

[thorn fjord]

Im maintaining rupt and garrote on the add yeah

[thorn crater]

btw anyone commented on the fact that quake has lost it

and named himself puzzlebox?

[thorn fjord]

Its been a rough week for the CFs

leave em be

[ebon notch]

he is an enigma inside of a box

a puzzle if you will

[marble hemlock]

!mute @prisma cypress 2h Come back when you've learned the meaning of the phrase "being disingenuous" so you can stop doing it.

[limber lion]

Based.

[thorn fjord]

@ebon notch do you private log.. if not mind sending me a grimtotem log?

[ebon notch]

i hard swapped to the add with shiv and stuff but cev said i shouldnt cause it made it die faster

[ebon notch]

ye i can send mine

[thorn fjord]

ty

[ebon notch]

beware it was the first time i killed it as assa

[thorn fjord]

All good im on prog too

It dies sunday tho

I ended last 45 min of prog playing OL but i kinda wanna kill it as sin

[ornate topaz]

guys if I DON'T play puzzlebox...how does exsang compare to the purely poison build? is it still ahead ?

[ebon notch]

you can sim it

[ornate topaz]

can I change talents in raidbots ?

I cannot login at the moment 😦

[ebon notch]

yes

in top gear at the bottom

you can copy existing builds and edit them to make close comparisons

[limber lion]

We pretty much never play the poison build with 4p. If you're sitting at 2p, it's a safer pick but you still need to sim yourself.

[ornate topaz]

I have 4/4

I will sim when I can reach my PC.

[limber lion]

Yeah you probs don't wanna play the poison build then

[thorn fjord]

I wonder if Oxi killed dathea last night

i dont wanna ping him though he might be grumpy

[distant mesa]

Is there still a no CttC build that is higher?

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

Probs sleeping

Feel free to ping him

He'll see it when he wakes up

[thorn fjord]

Its all good it can wait lol

Must say though kurog is a fun boss fight... especially after spider

Well designed fight imo

[marble hemlock]

they did

[spice spire]

Now 4 heal it

[ebon notch]

He played IC and iron wire

[marble hemlock]

[ebon notch]

Lmao

[marble hemlock]

i mean

if he went onto platforms

thats good tho

aoe silence kinda nice on platforms

[ebon notch]

Yeah but only cause they couldn't figure out their kicks

[marble hemlock]

ye

[ebon notch]

Not cause he wanted to be on platforms

[marble hemlock]

we have 1 grp thats just

rotating aoe shit

wailing into 3 stuns etc.

i mean platforms are the only thing causing issues on that fight

if you got platforms sorted, boss dies in 15-20pulls

[dapper flint]

any1 using toxic crit flask or just vers all the way (considering sim implies 100% uptime for toxic)?

[little light]

Damn I asked a question, channel went silent for 30 mins, now 400 messages and not a real answer KEKW

[thorn fjord]

Oh he was VERY happy about having to play ic iw

🤣

[limber lion]

It does not, sim assumes 70%

[dapper flint]

im getting bamboozled again, thanks

[thorn crater]

is that a recent change?

ye exactly what yutero linked

and its been repeated multiple times

[thorn fjord]

Always eat your meat… how can you have any pudding?

If you don’t eat your meat*

[limber lion]

Probs forgot to change that as it hasn't come up

[limber lion]

No, it's been in the sims for a long time

Since the 2nd week or something

Over a month now

[desert orchid]

Was anyone else having problems importing talents yesterday?

[upper oasis]

hello

[limber lion]

Yeh talents were a bit tricky

[thorn crater]

so we take the toxic phial now then

[upper oasis]

french people rogue here?

[limber lion]

I mean if it sims well for you, sure

But probs not

[desert orchid]

So the import strings were wrong from the pin and wowhead talent trees?

[limber lion]

No, the talents themselves are a bit messy after the patch

[desert orchid]

My game crashed like 3 times trying to import from wowhead

[limber lion]

Some people are having issues changing talents, saving talents and whatever

It's on Blizzard's end

[hidden crown]

lel

[rain mortar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Also be sure to check cheat death, it’s often swapping to elusiveness

[thorn fjord]

Yeah you can’t swap out of unbreakable stride without making a new load out

Lol

[distant mesa]

Are your bags full?

[thorn fjord]

It’s bugged apparently

[spice spire]

It is

[thorn fjord]

You get CD even if specced in elus

[lament warren]

u get both it’s very cool

[thorn fjord]

Ninja buff

[spice spire]

Outlaw died on eggnog, and I was wondering how.
He didn’t have cheat

[thorn crater]

can i double sim phials?

[spice spire]

It was not last night

[desert orchid]

@distant mesa bag space was affecting talents?

[lament warren]

yeah with different profilesets

maybe copies work too not sure

[limber lion]

Double sim?

[distant mesa]

I mean,. I crashed having full bags, so maybe

[limber lion]

You can just use the consumable string to sim all potions, phials and whatnot

## Season 1 DF - Item Level
## Author: fuu #7750
##

copy=default
###################
### Potions
###################
#Ultimate power
copy="Potion: Ultimate Power rank 3,default"
potion=elemental_potion_of_ultimate_power_3
#Elemental Power
copy="Potion: Power rank 3,default"
potion=elemental_potion_of_power_3
#Bottled putrescence
copy="Potion: Bottled Putrescence rank 3,default"
potion=bottled_putrescence_3
#Chilled Clarity
copy="Potion: Chilled Clarity rank 3,default"
potion=potion_of_chilled_clarity_3
#Shocking Disclosure
copy="Potion: Shocking Disclosure rank 3,default"
potion=potion_of_shocking_disclosure_3

###################
### Food
###################
#copy="Food: (70 of lowest secondary) Yusas Hearty Stew,default"
#food=yusas_hearty_stew
copy="Food: (76 mainstat) Fated Fortune Cookie / Feast,default"
food=fated_fortune_cookie
copy="Food: (45 Haste and vers) Aromatic Seafood Platter,default"
food=aromatic_seafood_platter
copy="Food: (45 haste and crit) Feisty Fish Sticks,default"
food=feisty_fish_sticks
copy="Food: (45 vers and mastery) Great Cerulean Sea,default"
food=great_cerulean_sea
copy="Food: (45 crit and vers) Revenge Served Cold,default"
food=revenge_served_cold
copy="Food: (45 haste and mastery) Sizzling Seafood Medley,default"
food=sizzling_seafood_medley
copy="Food: (45 crit and mastery) Thousandbone Tongueslicer,default"
food=thousandbone_tongueslicer
copy="Food: (70 crit) - Filet of Fangs,default"
food=filet_of_fangs
copy="Food: (70 haste) - Timely Demise,default"
food=timely_demise
copy="Food: (70 mastery) - Salt-Baked Fishcake,default"
food=saltbaked_fishcake
copy="Food: (70 vers) - Seamoth Surprise,default"
food=seamoth_surprise

###################
### Flasks / Phial
###################
copy="Phial: Corrupting Rage rank 3,default"
flask=iced_phial_of_corrupting_rage_3
copy="Phial: Charged Isolation rank 3,default"
flask=phial_of_charged_isolation_3
copy="Phial: Glacial Fury rank 3,default"
flask=phial_of_glacial_fury_3
copy="Phial: Static Empowerment rank 3,default"
flask=phial_of_static_empowerment_3
copy="Phial: Elemental Chaos rank 3,default"
flask=phial_of_elemental_chaos_3
copy="Phial: Tepid Versatility"
flask=phial_of_tepid_versatility_3

###################
### Rune
###################
#draconic_augment_rune
copy="Draconic Rune,default"
augmentation=draconic

###################
### Weapon enchants
###################
copy="Weapon: (crit) Buzzin rank 3,default"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (haste) Howling rank 3,default"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (AP) Whetstone rank 3,default"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3 ```

[lament warren]

buzzin rank 3

[limber lion]

Discord pls condense

[thorn fjord]

i wish disc let you save messages

[distant mesa]

It's below 5k characters

[thorn fjord]

Need to take some tricks from Slack

[lament warren]

use three backticks before and after

@limber lion

iphone user

tragic

[thorn fjord]

lol

[limber lion]

I mean it doesn't condense is the way I would like to, but I guess it's fine.

[lament warren]

iphones use actual quotation marks instead of the correct backtick

yeah afaik it only condenses above char limits and on pc

[thorn fjord]

is there a way to save disc messages? @lament warren

[limber lion]

Yeah but I copied that straight from Fuu's post and his is condensed

Whatever

[lament warren]

i just copy message link

and put it in a private discord i have

[thorn fjord]

ah

Would be nice if you could DM yourself

[lament warren]

yeah

you used to be able to

very long time ago

but it just acted as if you were a sender and receiver

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor did the wow analyzer guy mention anything about support for other specs?

[lament warren]

no

you can ping him

he’s just a guy

[thorn fjord]

@main vessel how are the OL profiles looking?

[thorn crater]

corrupting 300 dps gain wooptidoo

thanks no thanks ill take my 150g flask anyday

[pseudo geyser]

Is 4% haste too low?

[hidden crown]

I dont think its important right?

[distant mesa]

Just go agi

And do top gear

If 4% haste is what is says is your most damage then yeah

It's fine

[main vessel]

I'm not currently working on the other specs, I may go do a similar touchup like I did with Assassination, but DH is my primary focus

[thorn fjord]

ok cool ty

[signal vortex]

Got some big gear upgrades last night. Fingers crossed for better dps.

[vestal wren]

nice, good luck

[wary plank]

Hey, I have never played Dragon-Tempered Blades. I might have missed it in reading but which 3 poisons do i use? Amplifying Poison, Atrophic poison and the third? Deadly or Instant?

[shrewd night]

3?

[timber basalt]

You can only use two poisons

[indigo pollen]

2 and 2

[shrewd night]

Surely you are aiming to use four bud.

[pseudo geyser]

deadly

[wary plank]

hm does Atrophic Poison not count?

thx 🙂

[indigo pollen]

2 lethal 2 non lethal

deadly/amp lethal

[signal vortex]

Thanks! Finished out 4 piece. Got ring off eranog which let me change to cowl. Then got trinket off Kurog

[indigo pollen]

cripp/atroph non lethal

[wary plank]

oh i can even go for two non lethal

alright damn i didnt even know thanks a lot haha

[loud gull]

u dont go kingsbane anymore ?

checked wowhead but its all DTB

[shrewd night]

Read pins

[loud gull]

ah thanx !

[thorn fjord]

Kingsbane has been laid to rest

We thank it for its service

and hope it enjoys its rest

[indigo epoch]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[shrewd night]

No we dont, dont lie

[ember relic]

How do you get 4 piece with cowl?

[shrewd night]

You uh..

Use the other peices?

[indigo epoch]

Wear the other 4 pieces?

[signal vortex]

Shoulders, chest, gloves and legs?

[ember relic]

Ahhhh

There's 5 lol

For some stupid reason I saw 4

[distant mesa]

Inb4 blizzard goes back to a 6 or 8 set...

[ember relic]

That is what I am used too haha

[rapid gyro]

Went from 360-375 yesterday and still have 2 343 crafted daggers equip. Safe to say I do no damage still.

[indigo pollen]

^ wheres that guy when you need him to read

[rapid gyro]

???

[indigo pollen]

sorry not you, this dude earlier going off bout ilvl parsing and you just provided real time proof its flawed haha

does weapon damage affect bleed ?

[rapid gyro]

I don’t know? But it sucks either way, haha.

My 300 melees per boss sure do suffer.

[indigo pollen]

also is the interaction between exsang and bonespike explained anywhere?

[fair stag]

Guys do we delay 2nd ExSang for third Deathmark or yolo it?

[waxen kernel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[undone eagle]

is the #assassination-faq updated now?

[frosty cobalt]

For raid should I play sub or sin for st? Does it matter?

[native badger]

I would say whichever you are more comfortable with

[undone eagle]

when is m+ talents with DTB worth going? tyr weeks or specifik dungeons

[fathom arch]

always now

dtb IC is the new aoe spec as far as i know now

[undone eagle]

oh really

[wide hawk]

did something change in the rogue talent tree? just logged on and got the message that some of my talents have been reset.

[undone eagle]

if we say in m+, IC is cd and tank pulls 10~mobs , how many do i rupture + garrote?

[jade abyss]

When i remember right 7 bleeds was the correct number 🤔

[distant mesa]

Lmao... You prolly mean me

[indigo pollen]

naaaah this dude was wild

[vestal wren]

i think wcl in general is a bit in a weird spot

parses do lose value sucessively

so the relation from parse and player skill gets weaker

[slow marsh]

Every time someone actually tries to argue for ilvl parses it never goes well

[thorn fjord]

Its happening like every 3-4 days now too

But hey atleast we're not flooded with 1% nerf complaints

[vestal wren]

interessting, i haven't seen people talk about pares in #subtlety

[slow marsh]

I mean

[vestal wren]

what i noticed is that a lot of ppl that want log reviews care about parses first
and less about gameplay mistakes

one a bit extremer example did ask why he has bad parses when he played everything correct

(spoiler, he did a lot of gameplay mistakes)

[slow marsh]

I could attempt to draw correlation between assassination being viewed as the 'easy/beginner friendly/noob' spec and hence more people who don't understand how ilvl parses work and how useless they are, but I won't

[vapid sierra]

what do you guys pull on terros

[slow marsh]

69k

[vapid sierra]

shit

im doing 60k

60.9

[slow marsh]

so close yet so far away

[vapid sierra]

lmao

im 401 and geared for outlaw

[little light]

exactly 69 I'm sure, not 69.1 or 68.99

[vapid sierra]

shhh

dont ruin it

[thorn fjord]

only that sin is a bit more complicated given the opener and certain upkeep rules... id say the other specs are more beginner friendly

[slow marsh]

sometimes it's 69,420

[little light]

sadge

[thorn fjord]

Sin used to be the ezpz spec but i think its difficulty has increased a bit over the other 2 specs

[slow marsh]

and i would agree, but community perception doesn't

[formal cliff]

Please do

[thorn fjord]

I got sat on terros this week on account of not needing any gear off it but for me its somewhere between 65-72k @vapid sierra

[vapid sierra]

heroic or mythic?

[thorn fjord]

M

[formal cliff]

My ilvl parse is going to shit every ilvl I get and still don't have 4pc

lmao

[slow marsh]

so like......69k?

[formal cliff]

69.420 dps

[thorn fjord]

❤️

[slow marsh]

that's exactly why ilvl parse is pretty much just as dumb as stat weights

[formal cliff]

yeah

Like, I have 404ilvl

but shitty gear

[slow marsh]

people can have full lfr tier with 390 ilvl and still pull more cuz 4p. and people can have 410 ilvl with 0 tier and be dumpster

[thorn fjord]

@slow marsh twinsies

[gusty mirage]

wait

people still play this spec?

[vapid sierra]

lmao

[slow marsh]

today i learn sub

[thorn fjord]

gratz on the kill last night bb @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

thank you sir I had a blast

worst 3 hours of my life

[thorn fjord]

You were also right Grimtotem fight is based

Fun fight

[indigo pollen]

i really enjoy sin, i lvl'd outlaw but haven't tried sub

[gusty mirage]

kurog is a great fucking boss man

[vapid sierra]

kurog is my favorite boss this raid

[thorn fjord]

100% We'll have him killed sunday... only at like 25ish pulls too which is really nice

[gusty mirage]

pray that we extend

so I can kill laser chicken and be done

[slow marsh]

I think spider is my fav so far

[thorn fjord]

Hows your groups gear profile atm?

[gusty mirage]

I mean this with all love and respect

but go play in traffic

[gusty mirage]

for which fight

[slow marsh]

[thorn fjord]

over all

like can you guys extend without losing out on gear

[slow marsh]

i haven't done mythic yet my opinion is invalid

[thorn fjord]

Because we 100% cant

[gusty mirage]

think we'll be okay

[thorn fjord]

oh yeah y'all are fine

we on the other hand do not have the luxury of extending -_-

[spice surge]

403

[terse orchid]

Having tried to learn sub today, hard disagree on sin being more difficult

[gusty mirage]

why

the fuck

do you have 23 dps

[vestal wren]

he wants to flex on you

[viscid spear]

Never heard of 2-5-23?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-out-kast-funny-gif-24732385

[cloud nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

Why am I a higher ilvl than your other rogue

I’m a rat rn

[gusty mirage]

right now?

[spice spire]

That’s fair

I’m especially ratty as we speak

[autumn valve]

Hin little question, with the new build, in aoe, its better to spam envenom to proc BP at 5 combo point and just refresh crimson tempest, or spam crimson tempest at 5 combo point ?

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

don't rely on poison bomb procs for aoe

[autumn valve]

OK, so i spam crimson tempest at 5 combo point like befor ?

[stone yacht]

Can anyone tell me why Kingsbane is listed as 'unplayable' in the FAQ now?

[limber lion]

because it directly competes against dtb

and dtb is just so much better than kb in every way

[formal cliff]

in your guys opinion, should I wait for vault to use my catalyst or just drop it on any piece I have rn?

[stone yacht]

ah ok so it's more a figurative unplayable rather than a literal one

ty for the explanation

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[magic vine]

its, best case scenario, like 5% behind dtb. and worst case like 8-10%

[distant mesa]

Wasn't it's only niche now just rasz Shields?

[royal lantern]

you mean kingsbane or assa in general?

[distant mesa]

KB

[magic vine]

maybe? depends on if shields are the only thing you need, because the rest of the time you're doing worse dmg and on the add phases even worse

[royal lantern]

ye, KB was mostly for shield dmg

[distant mesa]

Knowing my 3/8m guild... That of all places is where we are going to struggle

[vestal wren]

i am fairly certain that we will see raz nerfs

soon-ish

[distant mesa]

I just killed Terros Wednesday

[strange python]

P1 and intermission are unfun

[distant mesa]

We have like 5 pull on spider

[strange python]

Spider also sucks

Raz and spider are the big misses this tier

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather do spider

with a perma 40% slow

than ever do dathea again

[vestal wren]

does the new talent work on it

maybe its a unbreakable angle

[magic vine]

i like dathea conceptually, in practice its annoying because it seems like you always have someone finding a new way to mess it up

[echo heath]

My guild asked me to get on for terros while i was in the middle of a work trip and bosses pouring beers down my throat, they regretted that, dont think i lived more than 30 seconds on every pull

[magic vine]

especially the progression from the fight at lower difficulties to higher ones has a nice progression in complexity, and the tie-in mechanics for raz (blow-back for platform travel) is a nice overall thing

[civic cedar]

Anyone here who could help me have a look at my buddies log? ❤️

[terse orchid]

try wowanalyzer. It's pretty good now

[civic cedar]

We did, but it doesnt seem super bad, yet his log is a 4. 😅

And he's our only rogue so not rly anyone to discuss with

[distant fog]

A 4

Was he not pressing buttons

[civic cedar]

EXACTLY xD

[timber basalt]

Did he die

[civic cedar]

nop

[timber basalt]

Or not have poisons equipped

[spice spire]

Just send it my way

[civic cedar]

poisons are on

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nmHQWtRgwpFcD2rT/#fight=41&type=damage-done

[spice spire]

He fucked his cds

First cast of Exsang was on second cast of deathmark

Which means he was free Willying everything else

He needs to work on his opener too

He also missed a shiv or two

[paper wraith]

having a 14 button opener gives me brain rot

[spice spire]

I’m retired now.
Put down by WoW analyzer (it’s a good thing I can actually do other things now)

[civic cedar]

So basically what youre saying is he's fucking up his burst windows cause hes offsetting them

[indigo epoch]

Wow analyzer work on m+ logs?

[spice spire]

Uh. Sort of?

He fucked his opener up pretty good

Then just straight up didn’t use Exsang during lust + GIGA awooga opener

Which drops his burst down hard

Then did it at 2, so sure things happening. But we ain’t cooking then

And then because of that, he couldn’t line up at 4, or 5 so he could pot too (which is probably better given that kill timer)

[civic cedar]

😅 I'll tell him to focus on practicing his opener and burst then.

[spice spire]

It does but it’s very sketch. So take with a grain of salt

We’re working on fixing that altogether - but it takes time. And whispyr being the goat that he is, is helping a bit

[spice spire]

GL!

[radiant osprey]

idk if this is the right channel to post this in, but is there any rogue specific coaches ?

[late surge]

I think guy coaches outlaw

[spice spire]

There are, depends on spec you want and price! I know whispyr and guy coach

[ember relic]

Sin feels good in raids but m+ its kinda of meh

[spice spire]

I am pretty sure Cev does, I’m not sure if @marble hemlock coaches

[marble hemlock]

I do but rarely and not at the moment

[spice spire]

Ty! Wasn’t sure

[marble hemlock]

Yeah barely got time for it sadly

[spice spire]

I feel that

[marble hemlock]

But yeah i typically also do m+ focused stuff, for raid there's better people available methinks

[ember relic]

I feel like once you start getting into 16s , does sin start overtaking sub?

[spice spire]

No

Sin is the worst spec (but still viable) for rogue keys

[ember relic]

I agree, I'd love to make it work.

blanket silence is only thing it has going for it

Wasn't so bad when we had KB 😦

[spice spire]

I mean

Yeah kinda

[marble hemlock]

Second worst cough

[ember relic]

lol

[marble hemlock]

But sub is just very very good right now. All 3 specs are, really

[ember relic]

Yeah sub is good

I want my legion sub back though , DFA

[spice spire]

Average sub rogue vs average sin rogue is rough buddy

[marble hemlock]

Sectech feels very much like DFA in terms of burst

[ember relic]

Yeah kind of , but that animation tho

It was a lot more satisfiyng

[vestal wren]

secret burst feels a bit weaker than dfa

but generally very similar to play

[marble hemlock]

Well, most of the dam didn't come from DFA in legion but maxstack cloak 😄

[vestal wren]

glaive trinket too

and both combined with MA or damage amps

[ember relic]

Honestly all I want back is mists demo

[marble hemlock]

Ye

[thorny pond]

Need snapshotting then too Deino

[ember relic]

Yeah , umbral moonglaives was really nice with sub back in legion too

[woven parrot]

I’m more of a lurker, but I really wanted to just say that from all the community discords and even the spec ones I have seen, I think this one has been the most up to date and informative. I have honestly had a hard time finding meaningful guides and content for other classes and specs because I feel my standards have been set so high for this one specifically. So thank you so much to @balmy condor and everyone else who has contributed to it. The spreadsheets, the guides, FAQs, everything is awesome.

[lean meteor]

Does exsang affect CT on all targets or just the primary?

[thorny pond]

primary

[slim hamlet]

Exactly this tbh, I can't play my alt because I don't get spoonfed all my info like in here

[vestal granite]

man I was checking out the warrior discord 5 sec ago and the info there is stuff from Shadowlands and links to wowhead

like come on there is over a 100k people in there

[magic vine]

eh the warrior wowhead stuff gets updated quick afaik, their faq channels are super behind though yea

[thorn fjord]

How else would we know to exsang our dm?

[slim hamlet]

exactly

[thorn fjord]

I like the people who loiter about in here

its why i stay

Y'all make my work days super entertaining

[thorn fjord]

Cant hate tho... As far as i know none of these people are getting paid to do what they do (or atleast well lol)

We're lucky our guys have the passion to put the work in that they do

[vestal granite]

well its not fair comparing it to Ravenholdt, I did it mostly for dramatic effect

[thorn fjord]

08/22/2021 9:57 AM

last arcane FAQ update

😬

[vestal wren]

if anything is outdated/wrong, a simple message is usually enough to get it fixed in a timely manner

[thorn fjord]

I have no alts so 🤷‍♂️ them other discords can rott for all i care

[vestal wren]

(just don't forget that we do this in our free time, so updates might not be "instant")

[thorn fjord]

If i could i'd buy you a pizza

[heavy warren]

for what?

[gusty mirage]

hi im new here

@thorn fjord what poisons do I play

[nocturne lagoon]

@gusty mirage do rogue deserve a new nerf considering how powerful they are ?

[gusty mirage]

yes, and they should buff mage

another 5% imo

[kindred crescent]

man I don't even know how you guys fit all these abilities on your bars

[nocturne lagoon]

yeah mages are looking weak this patch

[gusty mirage]

you get used to it, plus it's pretty much mandatory to have at minimum 3 bars if you're using default

unless you plan on rebinding the main action bar

it's a lot

[gusty mirage]

especially frost

they need maybe 10%

[royal lantern]

no poisons, poisons are for weak players

do you really need passive dmg? just hit harder

[gusty mirage]

true

my client left his gloves here

and I'm not calling him to let him know because he'll stay another 30-45 minutes

can I claim them as mine?

[royal lantern]

he challenged you to a duel

[nocturne lagoon]

free gloves ez

[gusty mirage]

stop trying to make me fight little old men

wtf

this guy's like 4'10" bro

[nocturne lagoon]

hes a mage player perhaps

[gusty mirage]

yea he's a smol one

like I'm not tall by any means

and I can put my elbow on his shoulder

lol

[vestal wren]

[thorn fjord]

if the glove dont fit

[nocturne current]

Yeah but the smol dude has bigger critical strike chance

and higher attack speed

[gusty mirage]

that smol dude has real estate worth 1 million

which I'll gladly sacrifice some height for

[royal lantern]

wdym, you said old

he has a shitton of experience

not his first duel

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/mm91003-wrong-with-shoes-high-star-shoes-emo-girl-shoes-gif-20164439

[thorn fjord]

swag

[glossy vector]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-kreiger-pam-fx-gif-4138088

[nocturne current]

I still firmly believe that every 2 or 3 months Ghostcrawler still sends a letter from Riot to Blizzard HQ that travels all the way around the city of California to the desk of the wow devs and they open the letter, unfold it and it just says:

"Nerf Rogues."

[thorn fjord]

Or “buff mage”

[gusty mirage]

he did wow a favor

[cloud reef]

what the deal with exanguinate and syncing deathmark?

Do we Pull: DM + Exang 2Min: DM 4 min DM+ Exang?

[gusty mirage]

by hiring jeff hamilton

so blizzard doesn't re-hire him

riot MMO doomed before release

[thorn fjord]

Hamilton working on the riot mmo?

[gusty mirage]

ye

[thorn fjord]

Nice

[gusty mirage]

the man behind dom shards, the maw, legendary powers, azerite armor, AP grind for artifact weapons?

[thorn fjord]

laughs in frost shards

[gusty mirage]

now gets to ruin riots MMO

[gusty mirage]

you'd hold exsang 1 minute to sync with DM assuming yo uwon't lose a cast

[nocturne current]

It's probably target to asian market, they like that kind of stuff

[thorn fjord]

Asian market only plays bdo cmon bro

[royal lantern]

i mean, chances are high

[vestal wren]

i am actually hyped for it

are there any news on it?

[cloud reef]

if you lose a cast is it better to hold the 2 min deathmark and sync it with the 3 min exang?

[royal lantern]

no

@vestal wren

[thorn fjord]

They don’t even have artwork ready lol

Think they’re more tied up in project L right now

[gusty mirage]

so whether you lose a cast or not depends on the fight timer

if you think its going to end faster than 4:20s then you slam it on CD

for example

[magic vine]

you don't hold DM

[royal lantern]

thats why the hype is somewhat stupid with people going "omg its gonna be the next big mmo/wow killer(cus wow killer always worked out right????)" and stuff like that, there is no information at all except "we make an mmo"

[gusty mirage]

syncing is always the play, unless it costs you a cast throughout the fight and that feel comes with reps

[royal lantern]

+its a mmo that needs to stand against the sheer amount of content wow/gw2/ff14 have on launch, thats a almost impossible thing tbh

[magic vine]

maybe theres a weird super specific timing where its a net gain, like a fight that lasts 3:30

[thorn fjord]

Riot has the resources and the money

It could actually be a good game

[royal lantern]

resources dont mean shit

[thorn fjord]

I just hope combat mechanics don’t suck

And that it’s pvp oriented

[royal lantern]

you can just throw money and something and a good game comes out

[thorn fjord]

Would love a daoc type game

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

you never hold deathmark

[royal lantern]

and thats why its gonna be nieche at best after 2-3 months

[gusty mirage]

you'd only hold exsang for deathmark

[vestal wren]

i am sorry to say this, pvp oriented mmos fail usually

[royal lantern]

pvp focused mmo is not something that many people will play for a long time

[vestal wren]

a good example is the amazon mmo

[gusty mirage]

wdym absolver was a smashing success

[thorn fjord]

I’m an old head man Daoc was the best mmo of all time

Fight me

[gusty mirage]

no one knows what absolver was?

what a surprise

[cloud reef]

but if a fight was 3 mins 30 for example you would hold the second DM for the 3 min exang right

[royal lantern]

1v1, at whisprs flat in 3hours, no knifes

[vestal wren]

i mean sry, lets quote one of the big wow streamers "wow will die, everyone will play new world by 2023"

[gusty mirage]

for something as quick as 3:30 tbh just slam everything on CD

kill timer will carry your overall

[cloud reef]

fair enough

[thorn fjord]

I don’t want a wow killer

Would just like something different that doesn’t suck

[gusty mirage]

there never will be a wow killer

[royal lantern]

wanna talk about the BIG WOW EXODUS TO FF14, and they all went instantly quiet when they finished the main story cus ff14 has 0 content outside of that :? (and i played and raided in ff14, i can say that stuff from experience)

[gusty mirage]

they've repeatedly spit in our faces

and our response was "PLS SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?"

[magic vine]

well, they also had the issue of having about 12 dupe bugs and then deciding that what players really wanted was a new weird grind that obsoleted everything they had done so far

[royal lantern]

if you want to make a mmo, it needs to be DIFFERENT then wow, cus you wont topple wow itself, the game is out to long for that

[thorn fjord]

More soup plzzzzz

[royal lantern]

ff14 managed cus its not endgame pve focused

[vestal wren]

the reality is, most wow palyers are not mmorpg players

[royal lantern]

it doesnt try to be wow

[gusty mirage]

ye thats why ff14 has been successful

[royal lantern]

thats why its a good game

[gusty mirage]

they're not trying to compete with wow

[vestal wren]

also there is already a mmo that suppassed wow by far

[gusty mirage]

at least not directly

[vestal wren]

its called genshin impact

[royal lantern]

dont say wildstar, my heart cant take it

[gusty mirage]

genshin isn't exactly an MMO from my understanding

wouldn't know though

cuz I've never played it

[thorn fjord]

Man of taste and culture

[vestal wren]

genshin is a mmo technically seen, it just focuses on the single player part more

[royal lantern]

it calls itself a mmo, but so does destiny

and like, you cant be more then 3people in a group in destiny

[vestal wren]

ironically thats exactly whats wow did back when it released to succeed

[royal lantern]

MASSIVE multiplayer btw

[oak sky]

Genshin is a gacha game

[thorn fjord]

No one here played dark age?

The older guys?

[vestal wren]

but i agree, i wouldn't put it in the same category of players

[royal lantern]

but yeha, the riot mmo can only stand if they manange to do the miracle and make a actually good PvP focused mmo, cus it simply CANT outperform wow in the PvE part, wow has to much experience behind endgame PvE content, and for singleplayer/story people FF14 is a thing that allready build a world and story for ages

but at the same time, not many people want to play an MMO for PvP

its gonna be spicy, lets say it like that

[vestal wren]

rly

[thorn fjord]

Needs to be realm based pvp

With incentive to do it

[vestal wren]

i think wow pve has some big problems, esp. raiding has accassability issues

[thorn fjord]

Rating gear and spells

[royal lantern]

play other mmos

and you realise how far ahead wow pve is, trust me

[oak sky]

Theres no shot they make a pvp focused mmo

[vestal wren]

isn't 8 man raiding just straight up superior to 20 man

[marble hemlock]

Did you know that the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV has a free trial, and includes the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 with no restrictions on playtime?

[royal lantern]

the biggest problem is clarity in wow sometimes

[nocturne current]

SWTOR when it came out it was actually surprisingly pretty good. Hard to level, interesting, and then it became a crap-fest sadly.

[gusty mirage]

I did

and I know a lot of people who tried it out

and got that far and thoroughly enjoyed the game

[marble hemlock]

Well yeah, I just told you

[gusty mirage]

and stuck with it

[ebon notch]

Idk I've done both an 20 man is super satisfying when it's coordinated

[nocturne current]

I miss an RPG where it's actually challenging to level up.

And not just a god-like cheese.

[royal lantern]

eh, the problem is that cus of 8man raiding, they cant make big class differences, so all jobs in ff14 are re-skins of eachother at this point cus otherwhise you could not play 50%of the classes by default

[marble hemlock]

Dunno why Blizz doesnt spend time on shit like downscaling raids so theyre about as difficult or slightly less so than what they were when they were actual content. Suddenly game has 20 more raids :x

[feral rivet]

DAoC?

[royal lantern]

+the fights are a snoozefest fast

[thorn fjord]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

DAoC sieges

[thorn fjord]

Best mmo to ever exist

[nocturne current]

DAoC was a nice game

[ebon notch]

I hate leveling

[feral rivet]

DAoC was fun for sure

[ebon notch]

It has to be done perfectly

[thorn fjord]

RvR was so good

[feral rivet]

but I was too busy raiding in EQ to get fully into it

[ebon notch]

For it to be enjoyable

[marble hemlock]

thats still guildwars 1, sry

[vestal wren]

low hanging fruit for wow would be to lower mythic restrictions

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

idk why mythic still has a server lock

[thorn fjord]

You think gw1 was better than Daoc?

I’m talking pre shrouded isles Daoc

Even their pvp servers were crack

[flat sequoia]

Can someone tell me if weapon damage/dps has any affect other than autoattacks? Seems like most abilities are scaled by attack power.

[marble hemlock]

yes

gw1 gvg still best pvp in any mmo ever

[gusty mirage]

lower hanging fruit would be balancing their game

[marble hemlock]

gw1 storytelling still one of the best

[royal lantern]

the tl:dr

attack power is weapon dmg

[vestal wren]

balancing is not a low hanging fruit

it requires a lot of effrot

[marble hemlock]

feels like youre actually doing shit and getting shit done cuz youre right there at all times with the big six characters

[thorn fjord]

Daoc had no story whatsoever but it was super sand boxed which was cool

And 8v8 pvp was sick lol

Out in midgar frontier

Oof man

Relic raids

[flat sequoia]

@royal lantern is it added to what is listed in my character sheet? To me it looks like amount of agi == amount of attack power

[royal lantern]

its like

weapon dmg has a giant attackpower conversion

@vestal wren numbers pls robot man, you know them

[thorn fjord]

He might be busy pondering pvp sims 😛

[vestal wren]

weapon damage is one of the highest impact factors yes

thats why we craft weapons first

[midnight phoenix]

Ideal trinket duo? Controll and Whetstone is what i got atm but i also have Whispering

[limber lion]

Puzzle box + grieftorch is bis

Or puzzle box + any one of those 3 trinkets

[magic vine]

box is great, you get to take a break 🙂

[nocturne oasis]

someone do the !neck thing for lariat for me quick can't find it in faq

[midnight phoenix]

Yeah i do need that box

But dislike 2 use trinkets

[lusty surge]

How much value does cct add to blessing of summer or whatever the pally auto attack one is

[storm forum]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[nocturne oasis]

oh shit it's really just !neck

lmao

[magic vine]

box/grief at least are off gcd so you can reduce the time loss you have when using them

[storm forum]

lmao

[nocturne oasis]

5500 crit/3600 mastery a good spread or should I go for more of one

[storm onyx]

Follow the sim; we don’t have set allocations for stats. All depends on your gear individually.

[nocturne oasis]

aight aight

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion you're bis

[thorny pond]

Oxi, how do I equip a Ceverion?

What dungeon do I farm?

[pine shadow]

prob noob question. but the stats say crit==mastery->Haste. Does that mean we can just take crit/mastery gear instead of doing crit or mastery + haste?

[thorn fjord]

for the most part... Way more value if you're playing multi specs

[slow marsh]

If/When you get puzzle box haste shoots up so just gotta sim

[proven talon]

I noticed in the faq for assassination talents, raid single target kingsbane was noted as unusable. Why is that? Was it ruined in the recent patch?

[gusty mirage]

because it was moved into a choice node with dragon tempered blades

and dragon tempered blades is simply a LOT stronger than kingsbane

[storm onyx]

It lost execute path, thus lost quite chunk of dmg

[gusty mirage]

prior you'd get all the bonuses of the stuff leading up to kingsbane

which made them pretty evenly tuned

but straight up head-to-head KB loses to DTB every single time

[proven talon]

Thank you both! Right okay, DTB being way better was going to be my follow up question haha.

[proven talon]

Got it!

[gusty mirage]

[main vessel]

Hello, I'm working my way through the list of "get your shit together" things that Whispyr gave me and I'm happy to announce that WoWA now supports Animacharged Envenoms.

Also the little bar under the Garrote uptime bar now denotes that it's actually a good bar representing your Improved Garrote uptime.

[spice spire]

Appreciate it sir

[thorny pond]

My mans over here stole the DH WoWA guy. Whispyr is a total chad

[shadow carbon]

what phial should i use on raiding ?

[thorn fjord]

Tepid

[shadow carbon]

thanks

[kindred crescent]

I have never felt worse at wow than switching back to assas rogue after playing dh for so long

[frozen jasper]

Have a problem with my rupture wa when other rogues are in the group and have rupture up on the Same Target. Does anyone have a fix? Not a WA Expert

[scenic sapphire]

Might want to check the "Own only", not sure but I think that'd help, right?

[frozen jasper]

Yes it should. Where can i find this Check?

[scenic sapphire]

In the Trigger

[frozen jasper]

Thank you very much

[scenic sapphire]

You're welcome 🙂

[main vessel]

Still a dirty DH player.

[worthy moth]

dh discord is toxic

bunch of losers

[thorn fjord]

So's the OL channel

kappa

Well theyre not a bunch of losers

But they are toxic LOL

[oak sky]

This channel is toxic too

But only toward outlaw players

And people who ask dumb questions

[olive flame]

I have a dumb question speaking of those. Manic Grieftorch, finally got one? When should I be using it exactly? Should I pop it after my opener, before my opener, or hold it till my deathmark is off CD?

[thorn fjord]

Do you have a box?

Puzzle box

[olive flame]

Yeah but I'm not running both, I have one passive trink and prefer one on use

[main vessel]

Also, since I'm here. WoWA now actually respects Improved Garrote and won't penalize you for casting Garrote while casting it would benefit from Improved Garrote.

[oak sky]

Before deathmark and before exsang if talented

[olive flame]

Ok

[oak sky]

But really you should run puzzle box and grieftorch both and puzzle box before cds then grieftorch after

Its up to you though i guess

[olive flame]

Oh okay I suppose I haven't considered both.

Yeah what you said there sounds really strong lol

Puzzle box opener and then follow up with the torch.

Thanks for the feedback ^^

[oak sky]

Np

[ionic matrix]

what counts as a weapon poison...

is crippling a weapon poison because if it is...

surely not.

[oak sky]

Nah

Weapon poisons are damaging poisons

Amp instant wound deadly

[vocal oracle]

is it worth crafting both MH and OF daggers if im crafting?

or just use my 398 normal Brood dagger in OH?

[weak isle]

craft = higher ilvl

so always better

[vocal oracle]

that i agree

[weak isle]

just sim the stats u need on it

and ur good

[vocal oracle]

ok, thanks

wasnt sure what alot of assa rogues are doing these days

[weak isle]

i have 3 crafted weapons

2 daggers + 1 fist weapon(outlaw) cus its just the highest ilvl and best upgrade for me

[vocal oracle]

cool, thanks for the input

[weak isle]

since terros Mythic drops like 415 i can just craft 2 418's till i get to broodkeeperr

[dusky cloak]

what are people liking for m+ since the changes this week? from heroic raid and 5 keys, im still not really feeling great about any multitarget spec as far as talents go

[vocal oracle]

yeah im working on getting into 16's

[thorn fjord]

Everyones become a ninja

[dusky cloak]

ugh, i really dont want to swap specs for keys lol

[slow marsh]

I mean we're the same in aoe, just got a bit more boss damage for keys is all

[vocal oracle]

im using DTB with crimson and no exsang

[slow marsh]

yeah

[dusky cloak]

are people still taking carnage? it feels kinda mid, ngl, was thinking about doing DTB and the shiv talent which has actually felt kinda nice

[slow marsh]

carnage is really good opening from stealth

[vocal oracle]

taking carnage loses too much on bosses i think

[tough gorge]

Not taking carnage, youll do like 40% worse on aoe lol

[dusky cloak]

yeah, i just feel like carnage is only good for the aoe silence and just doesnt give enough otherwise

[spice spire]

carnage is fine, and recommended for aoe.
AP is not

[spice spire]

Look at the talent above

[dusky cloak]

dont think this is true at all. you can still stack garrote on like 4 targets with the stealth talent, and rupture is easy to stack with fan, it feels really lackluster

[tough gorge]

Dtb + carnage is the happy balance build. Half way ST from AP and pure DTB. But only a slight drop off in aoe from AP.

[dusky cloak]

heard, ill try it out. are you still getting the fan talents and CT?>

[slow marsh]

If you're not feeling stonks from carnage then you're not playing it right imo

[spice spire]

Scent of blood

[tough gorge]

Definitely get CT for AoE...

[slow marsh]

Yeah honestly it's kind of nice but depends on pulls

[spice spire]

I also dislike 24% more agility

[dusky cloak]

yeah those points are great, but again you can stack rupture without carnage pretty easily and quickly on big pulls, so im not sure you need the point in carnage?

[slow marsh]

You can't stack that fast buddy

[tough gorge]

If you exsang a carnage... the burst is pretty good.

[spice spire]

Eight ruptures, assume 5 cp fans.
That’s 0.8 times 16, (8 fans, 8 ruptures)

[tough gorge]

Althougj exsang js on 1 target i believe?

[spice spire]

That ain’t quick

[spice spire]

It is

[dusky cloak]

i mean ofc you cant stack as fast as carnage, but were talking about instant versus like 3-4 global cds, which isnt that much if the packs are up for more than 20 seconds. fan > rupture new target is pretty dang quick

[slow marsh]

But still IC gar gar rupture fan CT exsang on prio target is kind of a lot

[spice spire]

X8 tho

13s to stack what is essentially 2.4s of stacking

That’s ignoring ct and other obligations

[dusky cloak]

yeah i get it on paper, just hasnt felt great, idk

[spice spire]

It’s really good

[slow marsh]

3-4 globals? wut

[spice spire]

You don’t feel 24% agility.
But it’s there

[dusky cloak]

fan > rupture

[tough gorge]

Heres my easy counterpoint. Go to the 5 target dummy and do both rotatiins for like 3 mins. Dtb + IC will win by like 40% atleast.

[slow marsh]

So you're using 3-4 globals to get 8 garrotes + ruptures up?

[dusky cloak]

im not talking about those points, im just talking about IC, I would assume if I go a DTB build I would prob still want those

[spice spire]

I mean, I see his point of “I don’t feel it” but whether you feel it or not

[tough gorge]

You gonna go 3 points in scent then not get IC? Wut

[spice spire]

Would you not go a DTB build?

[slow marsh]

Like yes, I agree that IC could use a tiny bit of juice. But to say that it's skipable for m+ is a meme

unless you're legit only pulling 4 mob packs the whole dungeon

[dusky cloak]

not sure thats why im asking, ive tried a bunch of stuff this week and nothing feels great

[spice spire]

Maybe it’s just the sin play style you don’t like? That comes across condescending but I’m definitely not meaning to be. To me, sub feels bad, but it’s decent and I just don’t like it

Could be the same thing

[dusky cloak]

ive done AP and IC builds, DTB IC, DTB AP, just trying to figure out whats working the best for folks is all, not trying to start an argument or anything lol

[spice spire]

You’re good, IC is very very good compared to AP especially

[thorn fjord]

bro quake why are you like the nicest dude LOL

[tough gorge]

Sub and Ass arent too different to me tbh lol

Outlaw is the odd child

[dusky cloak]

nah, if anything maybe I just miss Kingsbane lol, but I like sin. I felt good in heroic raids this week even if I wasnt sure about how to build for the bosses that require some AoE consideration, m+ has just kind of left me in a weird state. and no worries at all, i didnt take offense.

[spice spire]

Man’s just asking questions, I’m not trying to shit on him here.
Just want to help here

Scent is a very good talent

[thorn fjord]

No no not saying you should shit on him

I just love how you replied there

lol

[spice spire]

Tbh for aoe-esque situations (think dathea, raz) I just slam boss

Council is like the odd one out

[thorn fjord]

@dusky cloak sin is one of the few classes where we can tunnel the boss and not get yelled at

[dusky cloak]

i used AP on council this week and had my best parse lol

[tough gorge]

I just go pure DtB ST build still. Your FoK still spreads 2 poisons, and hope for poison procs. I only go aoe for raid bosses thst clearly need me to kill adds regularly.

[dusky cloak]

true, but for a fight like raz, ie, there are phases where you dont have a choice. previously i was going KB for that fight with the fan talents and CT, but now Im not sure. Maybe just stick to ST build and forget any AoE consideration

[spice spire]

AP is juice on council. 4 targets only? BANG

[thorn fjord]

I went full ST for Raz fuck that

[spice spire]

Same

[dusky cloak]

yeah i was surprised how much damage it was on that fight honestly

[tough gorge]

Full ST raz

[dusky cloak]

yeah i may just do that then

[thorn fjord]

Theres no point

You'll still be able to fuck up the big adds if need be

[tough gorge]

When the mobs pop up, FoK and hope for bomb procs

[thorn fjord]

and your burst for shiels will still be nice

[thorn fjord]

preach

[dusky cloak]

cool, ill mess around more with the m+ builds, i appreciate everyones input. thanks!

[spice spire]

Glhf

[thorn fjord]

Outside of council you should just be running full ST in raid

GL!

[mystic tiger]

Did anyone keep forgetting to use shiv on council. That really bombed my parse this week 😆

[dusky cloak]

lmao, i always remember to use it because ive always been a KB stan, so it wasnt too bad for me this week

[tough gorge]

I hope you werent running the AP as you forgot to Shiv

[mystic tiger]

I jumped from kb to dtb this patch and it plays much smoother. Better energy reg overall. I like it

[gusty mirage]

I'll do you one better

I forgot I talented into cold blood

and did that entire boss with my spellbook open

[balmy condor]

you're welcome

[spice spire]

Np

[strange python]

Now get our nerfs reverted

[balmy condor]

yeah right after I turn water into wine and split the red sea

[strange python]

Aren't you secretly realz?

Realz=whispyr=Moses=Jesus

[oak sky]

Moses=jesus? Pretty sure thats not canon

[strange python]

He just said split the sea and water into wine

That'd be Jesus and Moses

[balmy condor]

I've never seen whispyr and realz in the same room

[strange python]

Truth

[teal bloom]

[strange python]

Next god of war. Takes on abrahamic religions.

Whispyr/realz final boss

[celest holly]

pls tell me i can change poison bomb out of m+ without dmg loss? i hate this talent. it only proccs when 90% of the trash is dead.

[balmy condor]

how would you talent out of poison bomb without losing dragon-tempered

[subtle tundra]

its not something you care

about

it just happens

and you dont care

[celest holly]

i hate this feeling. 😦

and on how many target i change from CT to poison proccs?

[celest holly]

i think this is impossible. 😄

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

you always maintain CT, at around 6+ targets you can pretty much ignore envenom

[runic hinge]

You’re the 🐐

[lusty surge]

Harsh but fair

[balmy condor]

and you're tony

[lusty surge]

I'll do better next time 😿

[solemn marsh]

Shoutout to whoever mentioned dropping exsang for 1 more point in imp poisons isn't that big a lose. Just simmed that and it's only like 100 dps lose for me at 401 ilvl lol.

[runic hinge]

True. Also not very good at rogue but I appreciate your help for the community.

[outer cairn]

I saw the pin about this log reviewer thing but I didn’t see a link for it

Oh nm. It was for wowanalyzer

[strange python]

hows sin feelin? I liked how it played in legion, hopin its still kinda in that play style range

[limber lion]

but you're already bis so how can I be bis? smh

[brazen zodiac]

actually oxi just got nerfd so

back to being bis 👍

[limber lion]

I mean the spec hasn't really changed much at all in years.

But if you're looking for the PB fever dream, it's not here

And neither is Kingsbane, that's dead as well

[strange python]

oh, that is sad actually HAH i loved poison bomb so much, made aoe a breeze in legion x_x

I kind of hate how Echoing Reprimand feels, bet money thats a staple item in sin isnt it :/

[brazen zodiac]

hehehehe

[dense herald]

Cev would you happen to know how to make the border of rupture in your plater profile go yellow like in whispyrs? But leaving garrote the glow

[lusty surge]

Feels great in m+, feels about the same as it always has in raid

Thistle tea and reprimand help fill in some downtime which is nice

[sand sparrow]

Anyone have a good pvp build?

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[sand sparrow]

Thank you

[slim hamlet]

[low girder]

@balmy condor hi dropping by for a stupid question 'cause i'm not sure, was the cd bug with whetstone represented in the sims?

[balmy condor]

no clue

I don't think so

[low girder]

cool 'cause the sim wanted me to double on use with box as sub in M+ and i refused

and i didn't want that gap to get larger

[gusty mirage]

from koji

fwiw

[low girder]

ye but i wasn't sure if that meant it was in sims or not

[gusty mirage]

me neither

[low girder]

'cause i remember fuu i think debating to try to implement it

like

weeks ago

[main vessel]

I believe it is currently implemented

should be fixed in nightly tonight though:

[balmy condor]

nice

[main vessel]

Also WoWA not respecting Animacharges for Rupture duration is fixed.

[balmy condor]

[vocal oracle]

i notice in the faq that the bronze grip wrappings is based on offhand weapon, why not main hand?

[balmy condor]

oh

I forgot to take it off

shouldn't be on there at all

[low girder]

ah shit

guess i'm upgrading box for sub

[balmy condor]

but offhand because there's higher ilvl main hands

[oak sky]

I think it was in game

I remember having some issues when i used to run whetstone

[vocal oracle]

ok, but if iwere to focus on crafting a main hand the wrapping would be a good embellishment?

from peoples experiences?

[white orchid]

Dang ret Paladin getting a full talent tree rework from the ground up. Wonder if any other classes need that

[balmy condor]

At this point I wouldn't bother embellishing a dagger

it's just going to get replaced anyway

[vocal oracle]

im not a mythic raider

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[vocal oracle]

but yes it will get replaced eventually

[balmy condor]

if you're not a mythic raider, I would especially suggest not embellishing a dagger

[trail mica]

I try to keep my envenom up in keys on aoe packs? DTT + IC build

[balmy condor]

depends how big

but it's usually just easier to, yeah

[royal lantern]

not really

[oak sky]

Good for blizzard

[royal lantern]

like, at 5 targets+ you are better of spamming CT

[oak sky]

Tbh i think their class tree still has issues just like ours does tho

[royal lantern]

paladin is even worse tbh

[oak sky]

Ye

[royal lantern]

for ret, the tree is a giant joke

[oak sky]

Monk is bad as well

[vocal oracle]

ok, thanks...we are progressing through Heroic @ 5/8 so every little bit helps

[balmy condor]

yeah just craft a dagger, lariat, flaring cowl, and use your catalyst to make sure you get your 4 set

just skip the dagger embellish

[royal lantern]

like, against the class tree for paladins, the rogue tree is a magnum opus of great choices lol

[vocal oracle]

got the lariat, going to craft cowl, and have 4p...so almost there

appreciate the help

[oak sky]

The 29 point rogue class tree

[trail mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[next edge]

Arms buff is fuckng wild

holy shit

They are 10k dps ahead of fury on every boss now KEKW

[dusty zenith]

"whispyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dusty zenith]

where can I find the AP council build at?

[royal lantern]

i like how 1 of the reasons for the buff was "arms needs to decide bettwen doing ST dmg or AoE dmg, it cant do both"

well

🙂

[peak basin]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[worn panther]

it's the AP/Carnage Build in Whispyrs sheet

[dusty zenith]

ty

[indigo pollen]

is heroic voti same mechanics as normal just tuned up?

[oak sky]

Usually 1 or 2 new mechanics on every boss

Some do pretty much nothing

[jade wadi]

are we still taking kingsbane on raz?

[carmine dawn]

@ebon notch are you casting this macro twice? the box+exsang

[ebon notch]

i dont use it personally

[carmine dawn]

did u just make a /cast 13 /cast exsang

oh i hate you

lmao

[ebon notch]

cause muscle memory

i already learned ER into puzzle

you press it the moment the gcd ends

[carmine dawn]

i just did a whole opener on a dummy like wtf kinda low dps

[ebon notch]

and it will cast PB

[carmine dawn]

but the macro doesnt do it you gotta cast it twice

[ebon notch]

if you are off gcd when you press it

then it should use both

[carmine dawn]

hm

ER into puzzle seems fine tho

[ebon notch]

oi

u listening to my words?

make sure you are 100% off gcd

[carmine dawn]

yes i heard you

[magic vine]

it should be exsang then box

[carmine dawn]

outlaw hands im toofast

[ebon notch]

its probably trying to cast the puzzlebox mid global before exsang

[carmine dawn]

i dont care for macros tbh

just gonna use it

my only macro is mouseover spike?

[ebon notch]

then you can ER -> puzzlebox -> rupture

assuming you ER from 0 cp

[carmine dawn]

if thats the guide opener ye

and you said you only saved exsang for first shield?

were you holding long

[ebon notch]

used exsang on pull

[sand elm]

box before exsang

[ebon notch]

then second cast was on first shield

with my 3rd cast of DM

[magic vine]

if you want to box before exsang you shouldn't be trying to macro them together

[carmine dawn]

oh its 3 mins

[sand elm]

based on the opener in faq u box like 3 gcds before exsang so yeh u shouldnt be macroing them

[carmine dawn]

ok duh thats how it lines up with ER

cause 4 casts is 3m

[ebon notch]

i would also just save my ER during first intermission

if i was on the last pack or smth

id just hold it

just in case

[carmine dawn]

yeah make sure

good idea

[magic vine]

since box is off gcd you can cut a full second if you use it right after an ability

[carmine dawn]

ughhh dummy life i hate assa keys

im gonna box after rup cause i like the 121 343 thing

[magic vine]

anyways the sims throwing box right after exsang, so i don't think having that be your macro is a bad idea (especially since you want to sync them up)

[spice spire]

You can also macro it onto Exsang for juice

That’s a Cev tip

I’m still on the hunt

[carmine dawn]

LOL WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS

[spice spire]

I just arrived home! I’m sorry!

[carmine dawn]

lmao nah its fine im just gonna memorize ER into box i think

[spice spire]

Wish you’d memorize us

[carmine dawn]

[dark token]

Wdym macro it to exang lol

Why

[carmine dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485