Ty
#assassination
vestal cliff
lament warren
that is true
however
if you don’t prepot, how will you get two potions during the encounter 
grim jay
Its kurog and on heroic you go full ST or do whatever floats your boat. On M its better to not play sin
silver forum
Its kurog and on heroic you go full ST or do whatever floats your boat. On M its...
well we hit hard enrage and are short 2.3%. i feel me swapping from sub , which is pretty bad dps would make a difference
grim jay
sin and outlaw 2t sim comparably
CD timings arent great for sin
silver forum
my aoe as sub is like meh, single target is meh
grim jay
my aoe as sub is like meh, single target is meh
Then you are doing it wrong
grim jay
u get dm in intermission
You need to hold at some point
grim jay
Yeah its fine but still potentially better to not go sin
silver forum
Then you are doing it wrong
no it is meh dude. i looked at warcraftlogs, sub is pretty weak
lament warren
sub is also fine
silver forum
only 68 sub rogues
grim jay
Is there a noxxic guide on how to look at wcl? 
royal lantern
got a 99on mythic council, my gameplay there is: lmao i freestyle it
i keep rupture and garrote on 2guys and then do what i feel is right when ic is on cd 
silver forum
we are wiping to enrage
lament warren
then sin is fine
silver forum
that's what i'm thinking
we are very tight on dps sometimes, i wonder if my cleave is worth anything playing sub
silver forum
yeah i notice a lot of the fight is like junk aoe damage
lament warren
p3 is
anything that overkills the ad in p1/2 is pad
any damage to the ad at all in p3 is pad
grim jay
You should still work on your ability to look at wcl tho
silver forum
68 sub, 127 sin
lament warren
you are not being helpful
silver forum
i can count
silver forum
yea exactly but you continue to bug me about it
royal lantern
Chill
lament warren
sub is just unpopular, not exceptionally bad
grim jay
Yeah
lament warren
but if you’re specifically lacking p3 boss damage
first id look and see who’s padding
grim jay
Reading data wrong and spreading false information is pretty bad
lament warren
and then id consider switching specs
silver forum
Reading data wrong and spreading false information is pretty bad
so now i'm spreading lies?
royal lantern
sub is just unpopular, not exceptionally bad
tbh, its more like, rogue is unpopular and when people play rogue, its to FotM outlaw
grim jay
no it is meh dude. i looked at warcraftlogs, sub is pretty weak
Wrong
grim jay
my aoe as sub is like meh, single target is meh
Wrong
And you think looking at parsecount is valid for that
silver forum
i'd try out outlaw if i wasnt so bad at it lol
grim jay
its top end is higher than sin
Wild considering
lament warren
yes
grim jay
i'd try out outlaw if i wasnt so bad at it lol
Thats a legit take tho
grim jay
Top end on that Boss sub is higher aswell
lone agate
Hello there !
I'm seeing a lot of rotation guides using PuzzleBox/Potions just before EX and DM.
But.. shouldn't we re-apply buffed poisons with PuzzleBox and potion buffs beforehands ?
Have a nice day !
lament warren
Hello there !
I'm seeing a lot of rotation guides using PuzzleBox/Potions just ...
no
bleeds only snapshot with haste
grim jay
Multiple people on progress even confirmed sin is the worse of the 3 there
lament warren
they are dynamic to other stats
i mean
this guy is very specifically talking about dying to enrage
lone agate
Oh Dynamic with mastery and agility, that makes sense
lament warren
that is a very specific problem we’re trying to solve
lament warren
Oh Dynamic with mastery and agility, that makes sense
exactly
a billion ppl have killed that boss and we overgear it heavily now
the spec you play actually no longer matters
lone agate
What do you mean 'snapshot' with haste ?
lament warren
so “on progress” is insanely relative
grim jay
You would have so much more to know about the actual tries they had to address the issue
lone agate
Can you tell me what haste do on bleeds ?
lament warren
What do you mean 'snapshot' with haste ?
snapshotting is a mechanic where when you apply a dot it “snapshots” your stats at the current time to determine how much damage the dot deals
this is how dots used to function
this is how bleeds currently function with haste, which is the stat that determines how many ticks a bleed will have
all dots are now dynamic to mainstat and every secondary, bleeds and haste are the exception
lone agate
Pefectly clear
Haste -> static dot tick on apply
Agi/Mastery -> Dynamic on dmg per tick
balmy condor
haste is dynamic
lament warren
is it
balmy condor
exsang dots are not dynamic to haste
balmy condor
it's only exsang
sturdy merlin
lament warren
i figured but i read what you said and just overwrote
what i had stored
haste has to increase tickrate then
no other way to increase the amount of damage it does
grim jay
@lone agate and if you wonder why you dont exsang after DM, its because you would cut the duplicate dots Part of DM short aswell
lone agate
Nah, my question is more, should we :
1/ garrote rupture PuzzleBox EX DM
2/ PuzzleBox garrote rupture EX DM
I assume with these discussions it's just response 1
lament warren
correct
lament warren
i was wrong about haste snapshotting i misread an earlier conversation
grim jay
We have an opener part with a picture in #assassination-faq aswell tho, if you wanna have something visual while learning
balmy condor
just push puzzle box whenever it feel comfortable
as long as it's within a couple seconds of dm
it's fine
dark bridge
are we not supposed to puzzlebox prepull?
grim jay
actually 0 difference between all of them
Maybe you just didnt notice the 78 dps diff 
grim jay
are we not supposed to puzzlebox prepull?
Never have been
silver forum
if you already cast DM, and then pop puzzlebox, does the DM and such get increased damage?
dark bridge
I thought we were 
balmy condor
the only snapshot is tick rate of exsanguinated bleeds
lone agate
Yeah as everything is Dynamic (which i didn't know) any order IS fine realy
lament warren
ya i just misread
balmy condor
if you press exsang, those bleeds have a static tick rate
anything else
that you will ever encounter
on the entire spec
in any situation
is dynamic
grim jay
The only bleed that snapshots else is your bleeding soul after you fuck up and exs your DM
sage fern
We have an opener part with a picture in <#856136418170896404> aswell tho, if yo...
Is there a reason why the ST opener heavily changes with/without Exang?
With Exang: double garrote and ER into BM
No Exang: garrote once and ER into Envenom
lament warren
because exsang is the only thing that takes into account the duration of your bleeds
you can deathmark before putting bleeds up and still get two
that’s why without exsang you don’t vanish
until your first garrote is ending
ornate topaz
when do you vanish when you play without exsang ?
sage fern
ooh, so i want to maximize bleed length before exsang?
lament warren
correct
lament warren
when do you vanish when you play without exsang ?
as your initial garrote is falling off
grim jay
When garr is on pandemic ye
ornate topaz
as your initial garrote is falling off
good I got that right 😄
ripe basin
would you want to wait for vanish to be OFF CD when deathmark is off CD after 2 minutes to line them up or let it rip off cd the both of em?
lament warren
:3c
lament warren
would you want to wait for vanish to be OFF CD when deathmark is off CD after 2 ...
up to you
some people sync some people desync
sage fern
Do we wait for exsang cd for dm+vanish usage? i guess not?
balmy condor
yes
ripe basin
its more damage i believe so yeah
balmy condor
you hold exsang for the 4 min dm/vanish usually
sometimes you'll want to send it at 3 and then sync at 6
lament warren
Fight length: 6:30
min 0: exs+DM
min 2: dm
min 3: exs
min 4: dm
min 6: exs+DM
Fight Length: 4:30
min 0: exs+DM
min 2: DM
min 4: exs+DM
Fight Length: 3:30
min 0: exs+DM
min 3: exs+DM
it is generally best practice to hold when you don’t know encounter length
sage fern
thanks.
still, why did they give us a 2min and 3min cd <.<
ripe basin
i see
lament warren
thanks.
still, why did they give us a 2min and 3min cd <.<
you had 1 2 and 3 with kingsbane
exsang used to be 45s
balmy condor
thanks.
still, why did they give us a 2min and 3min cd <.<
cause exsanguinate would've been too strong at 2 minutes, and the alternative would've been making it 4 minutes, which the community would have actually screamed over
lament warren
true and real
ornate topaz
and I am okay with that
silent breach
anyone tried assa in m+ and how does it feel?
lament warren
give me back 45s exsang
balmy condor
anyone tried assa in m+ and how does it feel?
it feels like assassination in m+
idk
it's a spec
you can play it
ornate topaz
anyone tried assa in m+ and how does it feel?
I tried council with the new Shiv talent yesterday and the opening marks were so fked up by my melee teammates that I ended up with 100k DPS
tender kelp
anyone tried assa in m+ and how does it feel?
its fine
balmy condor
you gonna ask a bunch of sin players how sin feels?
silent breach
true 😄
tender kelp
but idk what keys you do, im on 20s only
sage fern
if you prefer a slower gameplay than outlaw, it's fun
silent breach
yeah that's what im tinking about, im breaking my fingers from playing outlaw want to relax a bit
ornate topaz
if you prefer a slower gameplay than outlaw, it's fun
it is slower but you have to switch targets a lot which is something you dont need to do with Outlaw 😄
sage fern
True.
A good plater profile helped me to keep tracking bleeds tho 🙂
lament warren
copium riddled sin rogue mains will tell you to just use a mouseover macro
sage fern
You can set all spells to be mouse over in the options now. Very helpful
ornate topaz
copium riddled sin rogue mains will tell you to just use a mouseover macro
I am old and slow. I changed ONE BIND yesterday and was suffering from it for the whole day.
lament warren
lmao
strange python
He's ignoring me 😦
balmy condor
bro idk
I didn't ask for it
they out here sabotaging my logs
we got 2 healing priests
I'm catching strays
strange python
Tainted
turbid harbor
Paladin gave me blessing of winter on Wednesday and it shows up as a buff in logs
The healing increase one
hidden dirge
Exsang question: You don't reapply onto Exsang bleeds during pandemic, right? Just like you do with IG?
lament warren
LMAO
lament warren
Exsang question: You don't reapply onto Exsang bleeds during pandemic, right? Ju...
correct
narrow inlet
did rogue get buffed after 10.0.5? i logged in today and just did 5-10k dps more on every boss
my sim also went up by alot (didnt get any new gear)
balmy condor
no
narrow inlet
hm i got new enchants that should be that much dps tho right?
balmy condor
sophic is a lot of dps
narrow inlet
i got ring chest and legs
narrow inlet
but 5-10k?
balmy condor
how much did your sim go up
ornate topaz
I have a huge DPS increase as well
balmy condor
yeah idk
narrow inlet
aoe also went up (4 targets +10k)
narrow inlet
low performer boost 😢
balmy condor
raider.io works fine to me
just ran a quick sim too of my character, looks aight
idk
narrow inlet
the site in general works it wont load my character tho
give me internal server error
gotta try again later
balmy condor
unlucky
little light
might be just busy or browser issues
grim jay
Busy bcs of all the 13% ST increase warrior sims
mystic trout
Why are my talents reset today? Did they hotfix something yesterday? Dont see anything about rogue in hotfix
fallen raven
they fixed the movespeed reduction talent, you weren’t able to talent out of it previously
sage fern
!logs
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
sage fern
is it somehow still possible to post a log and ask for advice?
balmy condor
we had way too many log reviews to do
and not enough people to do them
lot of people want to be told what they're doing wrong
not a lot of people willing to give up their own time to do that
sage fern
Maybe a more general question: After switching back to sin, I parsed 65% for all rogues and 11% for my ilvl on a boss. I might not have played perfectly, but I think I used CD's correctly and maintained bleeds.
Am I really that far away? How to you interpret the parse numbers
sage fern
i can live with 65%-percentile. But not with 11 lol
balmy condor
oh
wel
ilvl parses be like that
I parsed a 99 overall and it was a 35 ilevel
dogshit metric
subtle tundra
probably used normal garrote over an empowered one
fleet imp
I used vanish first tho
sturdy merlin
What is this feature ?
subtle tundra
probably not even up to date
sturdy merlin
up to date wowanalyzer ?
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
fleet imp
That report is not bad at all
sturdy merlin
Can i use it on private logs ?
fleet imp
Just a bit sussy cuz I think vanish is potentially not working
sturdy merlin
Ah it doesn't work
fleet imp
If we have normal garrote and vanish garrot, the full duration should be improved garrote
And the analyzer read it correctly on the second one but not on the first improved cast
Either broke or you kinda need to delay the gar after vanishing a bit
royal lantern
lot of people want to be told what they're doing wrong
what am i doing wrong
except playing wow
subtle tundra
pay me to tell you what youre doing wrong
balmy condor
I’ll make a pin no one will read
subtle tundra
$5 for a log review
ornate topaz
I’ll make a pin no one will read
guys can anyone explain how to play with Pandemic correctly like to a complete mental ?
sturdy merlin
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
ornate topaz
picture I am the guy on the above gif
sturdy merlin
Any decent WA will glow when it is safe to cast garrote/rupture again on your target
ornate topaz
deos it take the damage of the old one or the new one ?
sturdy merlin
It's the same damage, exception made for improved garrotes
ornate topaz
where it behaves how?
sturdy merlin
well your improved garrote deals more damage than a classic one so you want your improved garr to last for the full duration
refresh it when the dot is about to run out, do not refresh it in pandemic range
ornate topaz
goodi
goodie*
and in the opener when I go from improved garrote into another improved garrote should I wait for it to end or just use it within the 30% duration window?
sturdy merlin
I'd say it is safe to refresh in pandemic range
nocturne herald
I'm kinda surprised to see when making a combat OS for multi there's less buttons that assassination, what even
balmy condor
Wowanalyzer Support
Thanks to @main vessel, we have initial support for Assassination. There are some quirks and oddities that will need some fixes I’ll outline below. I know a lot of you have been skeptical about wowanalyzer, since it has never has a good module for Assassination, but hear me out :P
I want my log reviewed by a human!
Sorry, but asking for a log review is very easy, actually reviewing it isn’t. At some point there are just more people asking for log reviews that we can handle. The future of log reviews is in automated reviews, and wowanalyzer is the first and strongest step towards that.
Okay, what’s weird about it right now?
There’s some needed features, and some currently existing bugs.
All the major bugs have been squished now, looking into more things.
Feature wise shiv and thistle tea need some love, as well as some more detailed exsang/deathmark/vanish data. Also the cooldowns tab is just empty.
Why NOW?
With dragonflight, we saw a large shakeup to the talent tree, sizeable changes to assassinations rotation, and a huge influx of people asking for log reviews due to underperformance. As a temporary measure, we used !log to try and help people. This however was never meant to last, because as the command gained popularity, it quickly outscaled our capabilities. @spice spire can only do so much. We’re humans too. On top of that, if automated log reviews are to be trusted and used, grow and blossom, then they need a community behind it to make that possible. If we ignore it, it will never improve.
Sorry for the long post, but hopefully that explains it all.
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> could confirm this but i'm 99% sure
Yes you’re right
fringe yoke
so no more asking for log reviews?
balmy condor
Correct
sturdy merlin
royal lantern
machines replace our tc
sturdy merlin
ask chatgpt
fringe yoke
rip xD just when i was about to ask ^^ oh well (i get it though)
royal lantern
rip xD just when i was about to ask ^^ oh well (i get it though)
tbh, same, just wanted to ask them today to go over my terros log
oh well, w/e
just gotta git gut
vestal cliff
U can get log reviews? I didnt know this was a thing lol so on where can i get my review from a bot?
sturdy merlin
Paste your wclogs report here https://wowanalyzer.com/
vestal cliff
Thanks!
vestal cliff
Paste your wclogs report here https://wowanalyzer.com/
Holy the info u can get from that is insane
Really good stuff
royal lantern
its not the same without snarky whisp comments 
vestal cliff
Can someone explain me what that means?
royal lantern
Can someone explain me what that means?
you used exsang and didnt let the exsanged rupture run out
vestal cliff
Haha yeah i think whisp review is better
vestal cliff
you used exsang and didnt let the exsanged rupture run out
Aaah thanks!
slim hamlet
Haha yeah i think whisp review is better
ofc human review is better
royal lantern
when you use exsang, you let garrote and rupture fall off and instantly re-apply whsn the timer reaches 0
vestal cliff
Yes i missed the timing there
vestal cliff
peak bobcat
vestal cliff
And we use vanish with DM for improved garrote?
royal lantern
im 100% convinced i never did that one right
sturdy merlin
You can either use it before exsang or during DM when the exsang'd garrote is running out
vestal cliff
But do we hold DM for second exsang or do we hold second exsang for third DM?
sturdy merlin
2nd exsang for 3rd dm
hot fulcrum
Is here anyone who use improved poisons 2nd point instead of exsang? Sim said it's just 600dps gain with exsang which is really poor and brings more strict rotation with "snapshots" for bleeds
sturdy merlin
never hold dm unless you have very specific kill timers
vestal cliff
2nd exsang for 3rd dm
Based thanks
balmy condor
Is here anyone who use improved poisons 2nd point instead of exsang? Sim said it...
Plenty of people
sage fern
any recommended sin twitch streamers?
vestal cliff
Do u guys have problems getting into keys? I have 1850 score ilvl 403 and wanted to do a 15 yesterday but i get declined everytime
I tried for an hour but nothing
storm onyx
Do u guys have problems getting into keys? I have 1850 score ilvl 403 and wanted...
Pug m+ is a world of its own. There are so many dps; grps just cherry pick. Its normal getting denied to keys you completed before or even have higher score.
vestal cliff
Yeah true everyone plays dps
flint tusk
That wowanalyzer is a Pog as fuck announcement
frigid pilot
Do u guys have problems getting into keys? I have 1850 score ilvl 403 and wanted...
M+ community is toxic af they can be 1500 IO LISTING A +14 and expecting 2500+ Jo 412 only to signup. Impossible to get into keys on alts
flint tusk
Yeh i've given up trying to pug m+ it's so hostile it's pathetic
how people get elitist over a 16 is shocking
little light
Question: with the M+ DTB+IC build now having poison bomb, is it better to envenom on 6+ targets or still better to spam CT?
to envenom when you have CT up that is
vestal cliff
Yesterday i had a tank in a COS + 13 who died one time because he pulled the whole dungeon and then left
flint tusk
yeh i've had that with a full guild group except tank.
the tank didn't say a single word just done a massive pull in vault no less.
like bro it's not your key you're burning!
thankfully we still timed it after him wiping us twice on the first floor. but man
severe knoll
I’ve got 415 Puzzle, 411 Grieftorch and 421 Whispering icon. What do I use for dungeons and ST?
ebon notch
just exsang your dm
been there done that
prisma cypress
dogshit metric
would you mind explaining what’s wrong with log parse ranking by ilvl? i always figured that was the best way we have to assess one’s performance, since it accounts for gear as much as is feasible
lament warren
because what if one guy has a 411 grieftorch and one guy has a 411 bottle of spiraling winds
flint tusk
Was just about to say
You could have amazing gear but shit daggers
same for tier set vs not
my view is it's an OK way but not really great at all as can give a ton of false flags
balmy condor
would you mind explaining what’s wrong with log parse ranking by ilvl? i always...
You’re 400 ilvl, im 400 ilvl.
- But you have a 398 dagger, and I have a 418
- But you have 2 piece, and I have 4
- But I have eranog ring and you don’t
- But our bracket only has 30 people in it
- But I have a puzzle box and you don’t
- But my skill far exceeds some average shitter with 400 ilvl it’s not a fair comparison to put me up against LFR raiders
flint tusk
Bullet points and everything D:
balmy condor
Don’t be a shitter coping on ilevel parses cause you’re dogshit compared to everyone
Get good
flint tusk
A great example is the hunter bow from razi
IT sims way higher even with the LFR version due to the proc than the mythic crossbow from eranog
sand sigil
SHEEEEEEEEEEESH
peak bobcat
So based
prisma cypress
i realize it’s not perfect but past a certain point you can kind of assume people have 4pc and decent stuff, right? and sample size is only an issue at the extreme high and low ends
hidden crown
Whisp got that true Sin Rizz
peak bobcat
balmy condor
i realize it’s not perfect but past a certain point you can kind of assume peopl...
You actually can’t
prisma cypress
ilvl isn’t everything but it’s the best we’ve got
flint tusk
I'm one of the elite. i got a 99 parse on heroic razi last night.
Totally doesn't matter that it was for healing 
marble hemlock
James in assa. Truly the darkest timeline
balmy condor
How many outlaw rerollers will play Assassination on diurna for boss damage
And have trash stats
Trash daggers
Trash trinkets
And you’re both 413
Then what
Is that a fair comparison?
hidden crown
lmao outlaw having 9%vers
prisma cypress
how trash can their gear be if it’s 413?
balmy condor
Very
flint tusk
^^
hidden crown
how trash can their gear be if it’s 413?
stats
Sin is Crit and Mast while Outlaw is Vers and crit
balmy condor
I guarantee you, you set an outlaw reroller with like 20% vers and no puzzle box
prisma cypress
idk it just seems like ilvl parse is the best we can really do
prisma cypress
certainly more than overall ranking
hidden crown
idk it just seems like ilvl parse is the best we can really do
it really isnt
balmy condor
idk it just seems like ilvl parse is the best we can really do
That’s just incorrect
Overall parses are just a more robust metric
I’m sorry
You can argue whatever you want
But it’s simply incorrect
flint tusk
if the power line for gear was linear 100% it can be used.
but wow's gear just doesn't work like that
1 item increases damage by 4% another 0.1%
for the same ilvl jump
hardy dagger
The only reason i would look at ilvl parses is if im on a rat alt to see if im doing okayish
prisma cypress
i’m open to your take on this, just curious how you came to that conclusion. doesn’t overall ranking have even bigger issues with gear disparities and cheesing?
balmy condor
i’m open to your take on this, just curious how you came to that conclusion. do...
It gets diluted by the total
You’re comparing against every sin rogue on the planet with overall
prisma cypress
i know
balmy condor
The good the bad the poorly statted but high ilevel, the well statted but low ilevel
It washes out
delicate berry
My god storm eaters boon slaps hard in m+
flint tusk
a 100 parse on ilvl could be a 2 overall
hidden crown
My god storm eaters boon slaps hard in m+
now I feel bad for not taking that trinket
balmy condor
You can’t just move all the issues you have with overall parses into a smaller sample size and claim that’s better
That ain’t how stats work
prisma cypress
but it doesn’t account for gear whatsoever, so a mediocre player with amazing gear could parse the same as a great player with poor gear
balmy condor
but it doesn’t account for gear whatsoever, so a mediocre player with amazing g...
Good
That’s the point
prisma cypress
ilvl at least attempts to take gear into account, imperfect as it may be
delicate berry
now I feel bad for not taking that trinket
I doubted it but decided to take it since no one needed it
flint tusk
that is literally the point of a parse
marble hemlock
i’m open to your take on this, just curious how you came to that conclusion. do...
He didn't came to the conclusion. Basically everybody did.
At the same time
Ilevel parses are the dumbest shit in existence
balmy condor
ilvl at least attempts to take gear into account, imperfect as it may be
Why should it? Item level is an awful representation of damage output at any level
Why do you think we tell people to sim themselves
Instead of “equip the highest item level”
flint tusk
marble hemlock
Unequip ring, lose 15 ilvl, parse 100 ilvl.
prisma cypress
it’s the best we can do, short of comparing every log against their personal sim results
marble hemlock
You can not repeat this line
balmy condor
You keep saying that
marble hemlock
When you've been told, repeatedly, why it's wrong
marble hemlock
Is it your mantra or?
prisma cypress
if you say so
hidden crown
it’s the best we can do, short of comparing every log against their personal sim...
How many times we have to teach this lesson old man
marble hemlock
Everybody says so
limber lion
When a 402 ring outsims a 421 ring, a 402 trinket outsims majority of 421 trinkets, 380ilvl 4pc outsims full 421 non-4p
prisma cypress
ok
limber lion
It just
balmy condor
if you say so
You literally the only mfer I know that advocates for ilvl parses
marble hemlock
Like
marble hemlock
Ye
balmy condor
Don’t waste my time on dumb shit
prisma cypress
i did
marble hemlock
Whispyr just gave you like 5 different reasons
prisma cypress
whatever
marble hemlock
Why its stupid
marble hemlock
You didn't give an argument, you gave a phrase with no evidence to back it up
balmy condor
If you can’t understand why you’re the only person on the planet who thinks ilvl parses are good, then I can’t help you
marble hemlock
Please dont
flint tusk
please don't
subtle tundra
Again like you explained now
hidden crown
please no
marble hemlock
please don't
flint tusk
https://tenor.com/view/jinx-seinfeld-gif-5355403
fuck
marble hemlock
hey
hidden crown
rip
marble hemlock
youre not allowed to talk now
prisma cypress
and i never said they were good, i said they were better than overall
marble hemlock
THey are not
hidden crown
and its not
prisma cypress
ok
hidden crown
we said like 10 times TwT
marble hemlock
While overall has some shortcomings, and youve explained them, ilvl parses have like... 5x more shortcomings. And Whispyr explained them.
balmy condor
and i never said they were good, i said they were better than overall
I said “thinks they’re good” as a way out, you didn’t have to dig your hole deeper
marble hemlock
Do you not see how this leads to the conclusion you are incapable of accepting?
prisma cypress
you keep saying it without really explaining why they’re not subject to the same shortcomings
hidden crown
S l e e p
gray crest
wtf am i reading
hidden crown
maybe he doesnt understand
balmy condor
Maybe he doesn’t know how to read
ebon notch
you keep saying it without really explaining why they’re not subject to the same...
Just because you disagree does not mean he did not explain himself
balmy condor
Or he was born blind
prisma cypress
i guess i don’t
ebon notch
Don't conflate the two
hidden crown
not a true gamer
thorny pond
From above: You can’t just move all the issues you have with overall parses into a smaller sample size and claim that’s better
prisma cypress
Just because you disagree does not mean he did not explain himself
i could say the same thing lol
marble hemlock
I'm 416 ilvl. I can unequip a single ring, lose ~2k dps, and demolish every ilvl 400 parse, which is what I end up with when unequipping said ring.
thorny pond
That sounds like an explanation I reckon
ebon notch
You could but it would be wrong
ebon notch
Jinx
lament warren
I'm 416 ilvl. I can unequip a single ring, lose ~2k dps, and demolish every ilvl...
do it
marble hemlock
I mean people have been doing this on occasion
ebon notch
Real gamers are starved of vitamin D and malnourished
marble hemlock
Just to prove how dumb ilvl parses are
I don't even know why theyre still a thing
hidden crown
Real gamers are starved of vitamin D and malnourished
D stands for dick
thorny pond
I don't even know why theyre still a thing
Con your way onto a raid team by cherry picking stats for your app
normal mist
Maybe he doesn’t know how to read
He's a #5
marble hemlock
For half the classes theres not even enough logs at their ilvl for the number tomean anything
balmy condor
I don't even know why theyre still a thing
People need their ego boost
lament warren
no raid team accepts ilvl parses
ebon notch
D stands for dick <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Dw @balmy condor gets enough dick for all of us
thorny pond
no raid team accepts ilvl parses
Bet
lament warren
is that true
flint tusk
LUL
marble hemlock
The problem with ilvl parses
lament warren
share
thorny pond
The guy right there just advocated for them. There are some dumb mf raid leads too
marble hemlock
Is that the lower ilvl below max you are, the more garbage they become. So the only level where ilvl parses mean "something" is at the top-end. At which point they will be the same as overall parses.
royal lantern
The problem with ilvl parses
is that they are still not removed?
spice spire
my takes are too elitist
They just like me on god
ebon notch
Any time my friend gears a new alt he says "check ilvl parses" and I yell at him
hidden crown
I swear people with dog pfp and they are not worgen rogues confuse me
spice spire
????
ebon notch
They just like me on god
You just like you on god
spice spire
Brother I just love my dog
balmy condor
If we just keep filtering our parse, we’ll be the best at something. I’m the best 414 Assassination rogue from california if you remove all of southern california and any rogue that raids Friday and only in healing on normal kurog in the last 3 days
royal lantern
@spice spire
marble hemlock
If we just keep filtering our parse, we’ll be the best at something. I’m the bes...
Doubt it. You suck.
hidden crown
Brother I just love my dog
very wholesome
royal lantern
yes, sucks you
hidden crown
now play worgen
royal lantern
😳
marble hemlock
You are the best 414 Assassination Rogue that 4-healed Kurog though.
balmy condor
You are the best 414 Assassination Rogue that 4-healed Kurog though.
We 5 healed
spice spire
N 
thorny pond
Rip
marble hemlock
Yeah but you didnt for like 100 pulls
spice spire
now play worgen
Sorry can’t, gm of horde guild. Unlucky
lament warren
smartest raid leader na
balmy condor
Yeh we didn’t get out of earth phase
marble hemlock
But I bet your ilvl parse looked good
balmy condor
They looked great
gusty mirage
spice spire
Wipe parses
thorny pond
We need boss damage “move off adds”
Adds kill tank “move back to adds, just a little”
ebon notch
they were in the hyperbolic time chamber
spice spire
ebon notch
the moment they added a 5th healer the boss shit himself and died
balmy condor
I’m gonna link all my 100 wipe parses
marble hemlock
Wipe parses are about as useful as ilvl parses
spice spire
then play Vulpera
No man
balmy condor
Wipe parses are about as useful as ilvl parses
Actually I think they’re the best we have
spice spire
can i trade this in for something
marble hemlock
Ye, BL on pull, wipe after 20 seconds, have 100parse.
balmy condor
How else will you know how good you’re doing 2:30 minutes into a 9 minute fight seli
ebon notch
<a:hypergrab:965830301093888042>
oh god
gusty mirage
can i trade this in for something
Ye I’ll send you a picture of my balls
ebon notch
Ye I’ll send you a picture of my balls
go
marble hemlock
Didn't know you had access to the hubble space telescope
ebon notch
well this is how i learn that oxi doesnt shave
hidden crown
wtf brother
thorny pond
well this is how i learn that oxi doesnt shave
Is this a manscaped ad?
hidden crown
shave your bush
royal lantern
Is this a manscaped ad?
oxi is waxing his balls, 100%
gusty mirage
Take that as you will
ebon notch
bro u rly gotta pee or what
balmy condor
well this is how i learn that oxi doesnt shave
Shaving is 
flint tusk
Tiny pp
ebon notch
Shaving is <:haram:793647262860443680>
religion sus these days
thorny pond
hidden crown
how shaved balls look like
spice spire
Actually no, it’s encouraged
It’s only haram when it’s the moustache only?
gusty mirage
It’s only haram when it’s the moustache only?
Not my flavor
ebon notch
do i go for the ned flanders stache when i shave the progress beard
gusty mirage
You see a mfer without a mustache, run
balmy condor
Actually no, it’s encouraged
I saw a tiktok where a guy was trying to convince me that chess is haram because one of the pieces is a horse and horses should be idolized and being on a chess board is not idolizing it so therefore you go to hell
ebon notch
I saw a tiktok where a guy was trying to convince me that chess is haram because...
watching tiktok 
gusty mirage
watching tiktok <:pepeLoser:888285523498663956>
Man cause you’re not friends with me on tiktok
thorny pond
Whispyr doesn’t sleep
What else is there to do?
gusty mirage
Mad*
ebon notch
Man cause you’re not friends with me on tiktok
balmy condor
Whispyr doesn’t sleep
What else is there to do?
I physically can’t this cough is keeping me up
spice spire
Zoomer chat 
thorny pond
You see someone about that yet?
subtle tundra
Tf am I reading
subtle tundra
Assa reading time during gym is so weird
ebon notch
I physically can’t this cough is keeping me up
go doctor
gusty mirage
I saw a tiktok where a guy was trying to convince me that chess is haram because...
Like was this video unironic? Because what the fuck?
ebon notch
buut like in canada
gusty mirage
gray crest
we were talking about ilvl parses but now its oxi's balls
ebon notch
cause too expensive
balmy condor
You see someone about that yet?
Yeh, pneumonia last month, got better, now just a regular ass cold but weakened immune system
So
gusty mirage
we were talking about ilvl parses but now its oxi's balls
Both are small and irrelevant
balmy condor
We just suffer
spice spire
we were talking about ilvl parses but now its oxi's balls
As god intended
thorny pond
We just suffer
Here comes the pseudo science. Feel better brother
gusty mirage
True
balmy condor
Here comes the pseudo science. Feel better brother
Yeah add a pinch of battery acid into your tea, it’ll dissolve your throat which will open up your airways
thorny pond
Yeah add a pinch of battery acid into your tea, it’ll dissolve your throat which...
Ouch my esophagus
Just drink a gallon of OJ and put Vicks on your chest idk
Colds suck
lament warren
my gf sick too, i’m sorry whispyr :((
ebon notch
my gf sick too, i’m sorry whispyr :((
you been coughing in everyone's mouth huh
lament warren
???
balmy condor
Just drink a gallon of OJ and put Vicks on your chest idk
Yeh pretty much
lament warren
if they ask nicely
thorny pond
I’m not a doctor but @spice spire is
balmy condor
My gf is Mexican and she’s got like 35 home remedies for everything
She said she’s bringing me a box
ebon notch
oh god
spice spire
I’m not a fucking doctor
balmy condor
A BOX BRO
thorny pond
My gf is Mexican and she’s got like 35 home remedies for everything
They have the cure to cancer but nobody listening
balmy condor
WHOLE ASS BOX
ebon notch
now i cant type without sounding racist
random fossil
My gf is Mexican and she’s got like 35 home remedies for everything
its that latino temperament
balmy condor
Wtf you need a box for
versed canopy
oh is whispyr sick?
spice spire
now i cant type without sounding racist
spice spire
Most average eu gamer
ebon notch
<:HUH:1050561421362090035>
its ok im mixed race
subtle tundra
how is rasz prog
Awful
ebon notch
i physically cannot be racist
marble hemlock
Why is Quake renaming again
balmy condor
oh is whispyr sick?
Almost constantly in the last 3 months it seems
subtle tundra
Idk it's just so scripted
spice spire
Why is Quake renaming again
Idk why do you have no bitches?
versed canopy
get well soon!
balmy condor
Tyty
hidden crown
Almost constantly in the last 3 months it seems
thats how long Sin was nerfed
subtle tundra
I like random things happening
ebon notch
lmao
marble hemlock
Idk why do you have no bitches?
Cause your mom is a classy lady and doesn't qualify.
spice spire
(I’ve also been this since like Monday)
ebon notch
like when your healer "randomly" gets tapped by 4 sparks?
spice spire
Cause your mom is a classy lady and doesn't qualify.
(W)holesome
subtle tundra
p2 is more exciting
It's intense half way through
thorny pond
(I’ve also been this since like Monday)
Where’s mine
balmy condor
like when your healer "randomly" gets tapped by 4 sparks?
Just mass dispel?
royal lantern
its ok im mixed race
im aswell
marble hemlock
(I’ve also been this since like Monday)
Shows how little attention I pay to your exploits
ebon notch
Just mass dispel?
when the sparks spawn they do dam
balmy condor
when the sparks spawn they do dam
One heal?
subtle tundra
like when your healer "randomly" gets tapped by 4 sparks?
Well I mean more random mechanics, things happening to me so I can actually not play like a robot
Cause it's literally so fucking boring
balmy condor
WHO ELSE CAN PROVIDE SUCH HEAL
The other healers?
subtle tundra
It's autopilot mode
ebon notch
The other healers?
busy getting tapped by sparks
balmy condor
busy getting tapped by sparks
One heal?
ebon notch
now you see the root of the problem
royal lantern
get healers for the healers
balmy condor
Wait for nerfs
ebon notch
Well I mean more random mechanics, things happening to me so I can actually not ...
p3 is when the chaos begins
subtle tundra
The only time I die is when I greed a shadow dance during pushbacks and don't get my vanish ss
ebon notch
The only time I die is when I greed a shadow dance during pushbacks and don't ge...
wait what
subtle tundra
But that's intentional so it keeps me going
royal lantern
play vulpera and take ~5% less dmg from each spark cus nose for trouble works on them
balmy condor
They didn't wait
Sure but that doesn’t make sense for the punchline of the joke
marble hemlock
They actually changed their entire strat expecting there to not be any nerfs. And then the nerf came and they onetapped it 
Yeah but
Ya know
ebon notch
i think it would be better if the bosses were literally unkillable
marble hemlock
We can go back to ilvl parse discussions then as well
ebon notch
so that we could watch rwf year round
marble hemlock
For the sake of the punchline
prisma cypress
Is that the lower ilvl below max you are, the more garbage they become. So the o...
this comes close to making intuitive sense, though the more i think about it, the more it seems like the argument should be that both ilvl and overall are equally useless
balmy condor
We can go back to ilvl parse discussions then as well
That implies they’re funny
thorny pond
Is this man still fuming?
random fossil
oooh we backkk
balmy condor
Let him cook
marble hemlock
this comes close to making intuitive sense, though the more i think about it, th...
Not equally. But yes, parses in general don't really say a lot about an individual players performance.
But Ilvl parse is infinitely worse than regular ones
hardy dagger
Imagine the complete meltdow of liquid and echo on prenerf halondrus
balmy condor
He’s almost there
ebon notch
he's lost in the sauce bro
prisma cypress
you guys think i'm arguing when i've only been trying to understand where you're coming from
ebon notch
im from the uk
thorny pond
More parses is more data, ilvl skews, especially on the fringes
prisma cypress
if i ask questions, it's to clarify things and to overcome my own reservations
thorny pond
Less data means less meaningful results
marble hemlock
you guys think i'm arguing when i've only been trying to understand where you're...
That tends to happen when you ask the same question 7 times and use the same line to try to convince us otherwise 14 times.
prisma cypress
instead of just taking someone's word for it because everyone thinks the same thing
i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything
royal lantern
this comes close to making intuitive sense, though the more i think about it, th...
parses are SOMEWHAT overvalued overall, yes
like, just because somone is orange in all fights, doesnt mean he is a perfect raider, he can pull good numbers, but what about the guy that volunteers to do mechanics and gets a worse parse cus of it? is he a worse raider?
in the end, a good rl will actually LOOK at logs
and not just parse number
random fossil
number high make happy tho
lament warren
if i ask questions, it's to clarify things and to overcome my own reservations
ya i’ve learned that when you do this people think you’re trying to ego them and then you get like 12 ppl calling you stupid
thorny pond
Need the dopamine from orange parse
lament warren
so there’s probably a better method
prisma cypress
ya i’ve learned that when you do this people think you’re trying to ego them and...
exactly, the same shit happened the other night in the sub channel when i asked about overwriting finality-empowered rupture
except the guy fighting me there was actually wrong af and had no idea how pandemic even works
thorny pond
There’s also the search function where this conversation comes up weekly
marble hemlock
If you don't understand where we're coming from, then maybe you struggle at seeing things from other peoples perspectives. This applies in multiple ways actually.
Not only did you fail to understand why ilvl parses are bad, despite Whispyr spelling it out for you very clearly, multiple times, but you also failed to realize that you're not the first (and won't be the last) guy to come in here thinking he has a great idea nobody had before and that we're all just blindly following some mantra that nobody has proven yet. When people who are CFs or Mods here tell you something, it's not out of some misguided sheeple behavior, it's because the topic has been discussed and researched for as long as logs existed and the conclusion is that ilvl parses are dogshit and useless.
prisma cypress
well, i guess you sure told me! 
marble hemlock
You've now been given like 8 different reasons why that is the case. You can obviously still go "yeah but, uhm, thats like, your opinion man, I have mine", but you can do so someplace else.
royal lantern
dont take it to hard, seli is just very direct sometimes(often, always)
prisma cypress
not the first time someone hand-waves instead of actually explaining something adequately and then blames me for asking follow-up questions, and i'm sure it won't be the last around here
thorny pond
dont take it to hard, seli is just very direct sometimes(often, always)
Seli is just tired of half thought out takes from people who value online IQ tests
marble hemlock
No one here handwaved anything
royal lantern
Seli is just tired of half thought out takes from people who value online IQ tes...
sounds like he is insecure that his IQ test is lower than my
marble hemlock
You were told, explicitly, why ilvl parses are bad.
thorny pond
sounds like he is insecure that his IQ test is lower than my
My blue parse is higher than my online IQ test
marble hemlock
You just don't wanna accept it
lament warren
i think it’s
prisma cypress
i'm just making sure i understand it, that's all
don't take it personally if i ask for clarification
or try poking holes in something to make sure it holds up
marble hemlock
So do yourself, and us, a favor and stop annoying the people who spend their time volunteering to provide information and try to help educate the uninformed. There's nothing wrong with being uninformed. Most of the people who come here are. I am in a great many things. But stop going "Nuh-uhhhh" after you've been told repeatedly why youre wrong.
balmy condor
exactly, the same shit happened the other night in the sub channel when i asked ...
You see, I would have any amount sympathy for you, had you not blasted past the numerous well-intended counter arguments I gave with “it’s the best we have”.
If you getting clowned on is a regular occurrence, the common denominator at the end of the day is you. Maybe work on that
lament warren
i think people just don’t have a great way of handling the way you are best at learning @prisma cypress
it may be worth investing in an alternative method
prisma cypress
i don't think you guys come across the way you think you do, but thanks for the advice
lament warren
because it can be both the most efficient for you but also very argumentative
limber lion
not the first time someone hand-waves instead of actually explaining something a...
"instead of actually explaining something adequately" but that's what we've done multiple times now but you refuse to accept the fact that you're in the wrong here. Idk what your problem is.
Comparing against 200k players is infinitely better than comparing against 3 other players.
lime locust
I just started playing assa rogue again. Do I take deadly+Amplifying or instant+ampli?
lament warren
deadly
balmy condor
I just started playing assa rogue again. Do I take deadly+Amplifying or instant+...
Never instant
thorny pond
I just started playing assa rogue again. Do I take deadly+Amplifying or instant+...
Dead amp
marble hemlock
Once again, the common denominator would be you in this case. Does everybody here come across hostile and impolite? Are you the only one feeling this way? If so, maybe you're the one parsing low on the social empathy logs, not us.
lime locust
okay, thanks!
prisma cypress
hey, i understand your take better now since you bothered to explain it, Sel
random fossil
i love #assassination
ebon notch
limber lion
Mind you, multiple times as well
zealous oracle
So basically, assa rogue is better now.
thorny pond
Define better?
thorny pond
Better ilvl?
hidden dirge
Question: with the M+ DTB+IC build now having poison bomb, is it better to enven...
Can someone answer this?
zealous oracle
Define better?
idk
zealous oracle
on dps I guess
ebon notch
keep envenom buff up
limber lion
Can someone answer this?
Likely better to maintain CT and Envenom to dump cp honestly.
ebon notch
wait rly
balmy condor
limber lion
@balmy condor probably has the most up to date numbers there
ebon notch
i thought pb wasnt worth playing around
hardy dagger
Let's implement sims into parses so now you can parse against your own sim
marble hemlock
Yo Whispyr, do I spam envenom or CT on AoE?
limber lion
Didn’t we just have this spiel for council
We did and you were in the wrong there.
But yeah alright
balmy condor
Yeh aight CT spamming isn’t exactly cast CT with less than 10 seconds
You squeeze in an envenom
Cool
gray crest
So after the ilvl parse discussion... is there like a form I can fill out to be reimbursed on the brain cells I lost? or am i on my own?
limber lion
Also on council you don't even play PB
zealous bobcat
I got you Roujin
limber lion
which was part of his question just now
marble hemlock
Oh I don't care about Council. No one does.
Just wondering about m+
I'll probably just Envenom cuz prio but like
Yeah
balmy condor
Also on council you don't even play PB
Yeh but my sims assumed pb cause that’s what I ran
limber lion
There you go then
balmy condor
What
limber lion
Spam CT then I guess
balmy condor
Yeh on 6+
limber lion
Yep
balmy condor
Okay
hardy dagger
Respec to sub
balmy condor
Good talk
lament warren
build diversity
thorny pond
I've said for months, legion PB please
lament warren
random fossil
dopamine from pb is unrivaled tho
lament warren
that is true
hardy dagger
Imagine a talent wich made your next finisher proc a gigabomb
lament warren
even when i play the game muted a pb proc feels like crack
balmy condor
Although I have seen some merit to cycling an envenom sometimes when a mob hits 10 stacks of amp
Which is
ebon notch
do you still play DM on a council like fight?
balmy condor
Ya know
random fossil
love htting an envenom and seein all that vomit on the floor and the numbers
hardy dagger
On demand assa a9eburst
marble hemlock
Yeah thats what I was thinking
lament warren
do you still play DM on a council like fight?
yes
marble hemlock
I'm actually getting major frustrated
When you hit all the ER CP in a row but havent stacked up amp enough
balmy condor
Realistically though trying to play around pb is so yikes
balmy condor
Like even in sims it’s a complete clusterfuck trying to balance all of them
hardy dagger
Kb is omega deadge on razzy now right?
thorny pond
Or better yet, not hitting 2 CP a single time in a 45sec ER window
Throw the knives
marble hemlock
Yes
balmy condor
Now I get to rerun all my math with ap/ic as well
Real fun
I had like 1.5% on 4-10 target getting it to CT more
And then I put the logic into dslice
And it didn’t do shit
Love that
marble hemlock
I mean
Isnt that just cuz
Dslice rarely has more than 4mobs
Maybe like
20% of the simlength, at most
balmy condor
Bout 25% of the time
indigo pollen
holy shit that was a fun read yall ty
marble hemlock
And you said it doesnt start becoming a gain past 6+
So is it that surprising youre not really seeing a gain in Dslice?
balmy condor
Yeh but the current logic is already preferring to envenom over a CT a lot of the time
Is the thing
The gains aren’t just for 6
gaunt basin
Whats the current "best" m+ build :3?
zealous bobcat
I am confused, so I don't want to envenom in 6+ targets and I just want to spam ct?
limber lion
Whats the current "best" m+ build :3?
dtb ic, read faq
balmy condor
Humanly unplayable
marble hemlock
Psure you envenom for the buff, but you dont spam it
gaunt basin
dtb ic, read faq
is it updated for 10.5?
zealous bobcat
Aight makes sense, tnx, couse I was chasing those bombs
indigo pollen
haha
thorn crater
isnt it better to fish for the PBs with the empowered CPs?
or is that not worth it?
gaunt basin
nvm
balmy condor
is it updated for 10.5?
Everything is updated for 10.0.5. Wowhead, method, icyveins, faq
balmy condor
isnt it better to fish for the PBs with the empowered CPs?
Why would it be?
balmy condor
It’s linear
marble hemlock
CT does more damage with empowered CP
thorn crater
if he slow pulls i dont see a point with spamming CT
random fossil
what was the command for the defensives spreadsheet
marble hemlock
Also, you're not hitting ER CP on AoE anyway unless you have super low crit or get "unlucky"
balmy condor
Also, you're not hitting ER CP on AoE anyway unless you have super low crit or g...
You can hit 2/3 pretty comfortably tbh
4 isn’t that uncommon
balmy condor
Maybe not tree boss academy
marble hemlock
I sometimes just mutilate for it
marble hemlock
Think you don't have enough crit sir
balmy condor
Probably fine
thorn crater
on 4 targets i think it happens quite often tbh
zealous bobcat
How much crit do I even need
balmy condor
Think you don't have enough crit sir
I have the crit that sims highest for me
Idk how much that is
marble hemlock
I have the crit that sims highest for me
L
prisma cypress
he just sounds autistic
cmon man.. lol
lament warren
that is why i give you advice on trying to avoid it
balmy condor
That’s the real L
marble hemlock
45-50, yeah
balmy condor
Bruh
marble hemlock
Sims highest for me on pure AoE so
balmy condor
How many targets is pure aoe
balmy condor
Weirdge
zealous bobcat
What about haste, do I want 10% haste or do I just get crit/mastery everywhere
balmy condor
You sim
versed canopy
our set pieces seem to have a lot of verse on them
lament warren
yep
marble hemlock
I just don't give a fuck about boss dps optimizations when doing M+, and for AoE crit is sitll the bees knees for me, idk.
balmy condor
I just don't give a fuck about boss dps optimizations when doing M+, and for AoE...
doesn’t play ap/ic
balmy condor
It’s more aoe though seli 
lament warren
that’s what you would play if you didn’t care at all about boss damage
marble hemlock
Losing 2k on boss but gaining 20k on AoE? Yay. Gaining 5k on AoE but losing 10k on ST? Yeah no thanks
thorn crater
not caring about optimizations is not the same as hitting bosses with zahnstoch
lament warren
dunno doesn’t seem to add up with your ethos
marble hemlock
Having 2k more crit instead of haste isn't that big a ST loss. But playing AP you're just healing the boss
random fossil
remove outlaw and make a rogue spec where you heal by shiving allies
prisma cypress
that is why i give you advice on trying to avoid it
this is how this conversation went:
whispyr: i got a high overall parse and low ilvl parse, ilvl parses are useless
me: can you explain why ilvl parses are useless? i thought they'd at least tell us more than overall
whispyr: ilvl is a poor metric for actual gear quality
me: isn't that still better than ignoring gear entirely?
everyone: HE ALREADY TOLD YOU 10 TIMES IDIOT 
ok i'm done
carry on
balmy condor
this is how this conversation went:
whispyr: i got a high overall parse and low...
Damn sorry that happened I guess
prisma cypress
🤷
prisma cypress
it's the condensed version
thorn crater
its cute u think it was 15 minutes 😛
marble hemlock
So you gonna start gaslighting now because you're incapable of accepting that you're wrong?
prisma cypress
i tried to make your argument more succinct but feel free to correct me if i misunderstood something
ebon notch
this is how this conversation went:
whispyr: i got a high overall parse and low...
bro just go take a nap or smth
indigo pollen
this dude trollin
ebon notch
ur clearly bored out of your mind
thorn fjord
Y'all just playing ST DTB on Grimtotem?
ebon notch
Y'all just playing ST DTB on Grimtotem?
ye
thorn crater
i bet you looked up the word succinct
ebon notch
succ
balmy condor
i tried to make your argument more succinct but feel free to correct me if i mis...
By making is more succinct you cut out like 5 arguments I made and the 3 times I repeated all of them
But that’s okay
You’re right man
Thanks for coming