assassination

[shut thistle]

So Serrated Bone Spike, the guides say to use only to keep from reaching max stacks.

While that is for possible add scenarios, any reason to hold for pure ST fights?

[lament warren]

travel time

[shut owl]

not really unless you know you're gonna be out of melee range for something

can be handy to have two charges when you need to run something out; drop whatever spender and run, yeet bones at boss

only ST reason I can think of to not just yeet em for cheap CP

[shut thistle]

Makes sense. Thanks both of ya!

Suppose dumping all stacks at the end of combat is the best thing for that tryharding dps gain rather than using mutilate?

[lament warren]

sometimes i do what is the equivalent to irl voodoo and send a sbs when i want to hit an animacharged on 2

[thorn fjord]

I do that a lot

[lament warren]

only has 1 chance to proc seal fate instead of 2

[thorn fjord]

Usually works

[shut owl]

if you're running zoldyk's your likely gonna be fishing for ambush more than SbS though... I'll try and burn em out by the 50% unless I'm holding for mechanics

[shut thistle]

Ah good point, it is useful for ER fishing.

Also good point about Ambush yes yes. I learn now!

Thank you. 😄

[thorn fjord]

@shut owl what server did you end up swapping to

[shut owl]

over on area52

[thorn fjord]

Fun times

[shut owl]

so I've heard

oh shit, time to see if my new guildy sent me 10k for memes or a solid F U

[thorn fjord]

Eh?

[lament warren]

what guild o:

[shut owl]

"no one can beat me on bombing-run trash" I linked my details cuz my details doesn't reset on that fight when you've got it configured to not reset on vanish

soooo technically I beat him on logs

[strange python]

with exsang build

i use box before exsang or after?

[lament warren]

box after echoing reprimand

[shut owl]

booo, he didn't pay up

I even sent him a 10k CoD for some perky pug hats

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[shut owl]

thats a steal honestly

[shut owl]

second round

[lament warren]

ic ic

gl gl

[shut owl]

I'm hoping we can push into mythic prog soon

ty

I feel like I'm making progress lol

especially since that 9 was a 0 on VotI opening night

[lament warren]

the stats seem to agree with you

[thorn fjord]

I believe 💪

[shut owl]

I was statistically the worst sin rogue on xpac start

[lament warren]

can't be worse than me

i swapped to dh

and then back to rogue

:')

my guild was very upset at me

[toxic burrow]

Shame.

[lament warren]

i had to learn all 3 specs in 2 weeks

[shut owl]

looking back that first terros kill was a laugh. I just had to sit there and get flamed the entire time, but I play sub better than the folks who were shitting on me then now too

[lament warren]

very based

[shut owl]

100k average damage casts of sectec are hilarious to me now

[thorn fjord]

Gotta get that number up

[lament warren]

200k or bad at wow

tbh

i'm bad

[shut owl]

nah, gotta aim for 1M now

at least on raz anyways

1M sectecs are a vibe

[lament warren]

kinda fucked up that bloodlust doesn't make your sectec clones faster

[shut owl]

they weren't there for the lust obviously 😛

[lament warren]

someone drums for these guys

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/75b07000d06aab777fadc0353d82cf66.png

again a 99

FUCK ME

[grim tangle]

are you hoping to get a 100? because you know those dps numbers are all very far from rank 1

[dusty zenith]

I wish i lived in a world where I got multiple PI on boss pulls

[lost horizon]

Hey I know that guy is there where you hang out

[grim tangle]

omg it's squawkk

[distant mesa]

I found my issue...

[balmy condor]

when squawkk return

yearly squawkk post

[lost horizon]

We will ascend again have no fear

Next tier when sin is giga I will be in here asking the baldest questions in town don't you worry

[balmy condor]

excellent

[distant mesa]

I've been gimping myself... you dont Poison Knife -> envenom. you just send the envenom when you land on the ER cp yeah?

[balmy condor]

yes

I unbound poison knife entirely

have not needed to press it once this expansion

[grim tangle]

as if you would ever play sin against your will

[shut owl]

you don't use it twice on raz when she flies away with 99% damage reduction for free cp? unthinkable

[lost horizon]

Yo listen I've been there before, the problem is this other rogue in my raid is way better than me

[distant mesa]

about to do that...

[balmy condor]

no I just jump mutilate once

[grim tangle]

it helps that the one time you played sin you couldn't see your combo point

[shut owl]

oh. right. that's my sub trick

[grim tangle]

only way I beat you

[lost horizon]

Yeah but I could see my garrote and vanish CD that's all we need

[lament warren]

lmfao

[distant mesa]

naw I have my own set of issues with popping tea like its candy

[nocturne current]

If you're about to lose the combo point entirely, and it's the 2nd one, go for it I guess.

[distant mesa]

at that point just re pop ER

?

[nocturne current]

Yeah but if you're about to lose it, you can get a 7 for free and then ER lol

[distant mesa]

just FoK's it

LOL

like legit that ability now seems giga brain useless

[nocturne current]

I use it very very rarely in a niche situation if the blue combo point is the second and I happen to garrote in fresh zero.

And if I get 1 and it's about to expire I throw a knife sure.

But only if I know I lose it in that combo build

[toxic burrow]

Had a very, very dumb moment on Raz last night. For the first time, the RL set up stormsurge marks that were in a vertical line up instead of horizontal. He said it should just barely be in range for melee to hit. I walked to the marker in stealth and didn't question him since I could just barely inch up at the edge of the mark to be in range of the boss. Forgot that I have acrobatic strikes.

[lament warren]

lmao

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/94004d94df4b99fc7a8a5fc2ec100efe.png

Manic is not broken

it's actually

BALANCED

[nocturne current]

Who died?

[next edge]

it's a boost run

so maybe 15 people

k

[nocturne current]

Haha

I wonder how many torches you would need to the point it would become meta do sacrifice 1 dude.

[gusty mirage]

dumb moment?

that sounds like a whole lotta not your problem

[next edge]

Stop changing your picture

Or my 🍆 will go on fire

it grows every time I see a new one

[gusty mirage]

sorry my new personality is gromnak

[next edge]

My HC media is 98 now

we GAMING

altho HC parses

[toxic burrow]

Lol. Not my problem, sure, but I was the guy checking it for melee. Big oof as a team player.

[grim tangle]

gromnak is my favorite stream, after @wicked obsidian

[toxic burrow]

Really now? Check out this Khezu-dicked champion!

[lament warren]

you think I’m gonna put respect on the org?

[gusty mirage]

Jish is a snake

[lament warren]

you think I’m gonna put respect on the gamer gummies?

[gusty mirage]

he's on my friends list

and never tells me he loves me anymore

[grim tangle]

I wish I had friends

[gusty mirage]

I would be friends with you but my self esteem already sucks

sorry

[lament warren]

we can be friends peeposmile

[sonic schooner]

Trinkets are the new borrowed power

[gusty mirage]

playing mage is the new borrowed power

underperforming?

just wait for blizzard to buff you by 20% in a month

[lament warren]

just borrow some intellect

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p5QBh1JChcrZ9ZWfgZBehG

can someone explain why swapping to crit mastery instead of crit vers is making me lose dmg? not sure what im missing here

[balmy condor]

Stats are weird

Happens

[strange python]

so my outlaw gear is bis for assa

[balmy condor]

Also why the fuck are you simming an eranog ring without cowl

[strange python]

am i simming it without cowl?

[balmy condor]

Am i reading that correct

what’s the shawl

Is that a cape

[gusty mirage]

ye

thats the crafted cape

[balmy condor]

Oh

Dumb name

[strange python]

?

[balmy condor]

Yeh looks fine then

[strange python]

idk it feels like im the only assa who wants crit>vers>mastery

i'll try top gear sim

[royal lantern]

stats are somewhat even for assa in general

[strange python]

oh okay

[balmy condor]

There isn’t a “bad stat”

Vers is generally worse than the others

But if you got high level vers stuff

It’ll comfortably beat other things that aren’t as high

[strange python]

does that also mean i have bad assa gear?

[gusty mirage]

82.5k is pretty damn good

seems fine to me

[strange python]

hmm nice

okay ty

[gusty mirage]

cause ig I have more "ideal" stats

[strange python]

ok so top gear tells me this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Z3BpQcQ7dfZieknoRYh8b

[gusty mirage]

and mine is this:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4AqiCJmzvJkYmke6a15LVU

and I have a 421 weap

so

I'd say you're doing alright

[strange python]

i'll try to resim with changing lariat stats in top gear

[lament warren]

i’m still back at 74k

[gusty mirage]

tbh I wouldn't bother swapping gems unless you don't care about the gold

[craggy river]

are we still single target kings in raid

[gusty mirage]

I could in theory eek out like 500ish? dps if I swap gems

but I cba

[lament warren]

eh

unholy and bm are generally better

[strange python]

i dont care about the gold

[lament warren]

enh is competitive

[craggy river]

no i mean rogue specs

[strange python]

how do i sim changing crafted item stats on top gear?

like changing my lariat stats

[lament warren]

then yes

sub and sin sim similarly

[lament warren]

gear compare then steal the string

[wicked obsidian]

Wtf I'm catching strays

[strange python]

so my gear compare sims are simming different from top gear

i may have figured out why

[frigid pilot]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[dense herald]

Is mastery becoming even stronger the more gear you get as that build?

[hollow helm]

Was just checking out some logs trying to improve my dps and seeing people casting thistle tea before shiv is this something you should be doing whenever possible?

[vapid sierra]

!WHYSPIR

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

There ain’t a rule for that

[balmy condor]

You tea for energy, if you starve yourself before shiv, sure why not

[main vessel]

Howdy, WoWAnalyzer now supports Animacharged combo points in the Finisher Use graph. I will update the individual cast breakdowns later.

if you have comments/questions/concerns/suggestions, feel free to ping me and I'll take a look after I'm done raiding 🙂

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[turbid heath]

anyone got a moment to take a look at my logs and tell my why im so bad? 😦

[balmy condor]

I would try the freshly updated wowanalzyer

[turbid heath]

will do ty

[distant mesa]

taking off gear should be a crime...

fuck poison knife

[balmy condor]

that is quite a filter

[vapid sierra]

simming 70k st but barely pulling 55 on brood p1

we lust p2, ahvent got there yet

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mAzsyFefELZcNmh5xwh99G

[oak sky]

answered yourself pretty much

[vapid sierra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qfDagdJKY2P3bRCp/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

damn that's crazy

you're not in execute

and doing less damage

[vapid sierra]

am i doing anything rotationally wrong tho>

[distant mesa]

all I did was take off a ring

[balmy condor]

no clue, probably? maybe?

[balmy condor]

but why

[drifting cloud]

so he could post his ilvl r1 normal terros ofc

[distant mesa]

beacuse another rogue in my group was like "i'll beat you if you take a piece of gear off"

didn't beat me, so we went to look at the parse

[balmy condor]

I mean okay

happy for you

[distant mesa]

I'm not one to boast a normal parse, it was just like. why does taking gear off make you higher parsing

[balmy condor]

because that's how item level parses work?

you're comparing yourself to 382 ilvl rogues

do you think they're going to be playing like world first raiders?

[distant mesa]

no

[balmy condor]

okay

so then why is it confusing?

[raven light]

can someone link me the weakaura for tricks that automatically focuses the tank? cant find it

[distant mesa]

I'm not good at looking at logs honestly

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/best-macros-addons

the weakaura is linked there

[raven light]

maybe im blind, thank you 🙂

[low girder]

am i blind too? i don't see that one there

[balmy condor]

is right there ain't it

[low girder]

oh macros

yeah i'm blind

should prolly add that to the WA section

[balmy condor]

yeh maybe

[vapid sierra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[winter hawk]

I also suggest Luckyone's WA - https://wago.io/LuckyoneUI-Rogue

[turbid heath]

holy shit wow analyzer is great - thank you so much!

off topic but we should have a 'post your UI' channel in this disc 🙂

[balmy condor]

why?

[vapid sierra]

is it updated for sin?

it hasnt been updated for outlaw in a long ass time

[balmy condor]

yeh they pushed an update today

[lone abyss]

hey so, question, im misunderstanding the FAQ when it comes to Exsang, do i use it before DM, and DM after exsang, or wait for xsang to be done before u ise DM?

[balmy condor]

you exsang->dm

in that order

[lone abyss]

so dont wait for exang to be done

[balmy condor]

no

you want to duplicate the exsang'd bleeds

[low girder]

then you're losing the duplicate ye

but if you do dm -> exsang you cut the duration of dm

so don't do that

[lone abyss]

okay cool, thanks for the clarification!

[turbid heath]

just can be useful to see other peoples UIs and also im nosey like that it is what it is

[vapid sierra]

so how would i go about desyncing vanish and dm for that tiny minmax?

and what does it mean by extra garrote ticks?

like when you reapply?

[balmy condor]

when the exsang garrote drops

[devout hazel]

someone have the import for primal council talents, im pulling it in 5 min

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[vapid sierra]

i dont run exsang

[balmy condor]

then when the opener garrote drops

[thorny pond]

Then there’s no desync

[vapid sierra]

but for my second dm i just hold it til vanish is off cd and reapply garrote

[balmy condor]

yes

[vapid sierra]

no need for desync cause no exsang?

[devout hazel]

i cant found it there

[vapid sierra]

its in the faq

irrc

[balmy condor]

you can found it there

I guarantee you that you can founded

[thorny pond]

Found you in the can

[devout hazel]

it only says raid build

single

[balmy condor]

my brother in christ

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQLJSSSiElEAAAAAAAJBgIAAAAAAASBJSJJIJJpEIJkIEJJA

[balmy condor]

take your god damn council import

and leave me alone

[vapid sierra]

lmao

[balmy condor]

aint enough to write a guide, gotta read it to people to

[thorny pond]

Warcraft logs
Council
Assassin rouges

Pick one and copy that

[vapid sierra]

subcreation

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/vault-of-the-incarnates-raid-tips

there's an entire page

[hot oriole]

They really givin it to you this week huh whisp

[balmy condor]

dedicated to just build and tips

for each boss

[vapid sierra]

whisp wont be able to handle anymore

[balmy condor]

can't found it

losing my shit man

[drifting cloud]

ill read that during farm

[vapid sierra]

whisp i cant find where it says if i should reapply rupture after fall off

help

[distant mesa]

https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/WJvCmRZGa8cPgAtr/34-Mythic+Terros+-+Kill+(6:24)/Annadorsa/standard/overview does that mean I'm not Envenoming / Garroting properly, and does this account for 2cp charged envenoms?

[pseudo geyser]

How is assassin in keys now?

Is it better than it was or roughly the same?

[vapid sierra]

better? we get to take dtb+ic

imo i like it more

than kb

[balmy condor]

this part is still a little weird

but this accounts for it, yeah

[balmy condor]

god damn we're 2/2

[distant mesa]

so 13% of my envom's shouldn't have been casted till higher CP's

[thorny pond]

Do not use it

[balmy condor]

yes use it

[distant mesa]

I'm betting that was 4cp

[thorny pond]

Why

[balmy condor]

most likely

[thorny pond]

Just !log

[balmy condor]

fuck no

[distant mesa]

I'll use the tools given to me

[pseudo geyser]

Also is there a certain amount of haste you want now as assassin? or does full crit/mast work still?

[balmy condor]

you think we wanna sit here and read your shit ass normal logs?

[dusty granite]

Im new to it for DF currently moving through14/15s and i feel like it got easier to manage everything and my dps is better.

[balmy condor]

the moment wowanalyzer gets the bugs fixed

we delete !log from the planet

[balmy condor]

no breakpoints on anything

[celest helm]

whats everyones stat breakdown looking like in raid rn?

[echo heath]

what i have atm

i've seen some rogues on logs with about 600 more crit than me though its insane

[balmy condor]

you know though @thorny pond, that's an idea, we can make !log just spit out wowanalyzer links instead

[ionic fox]

Question... The M+ DTB build has exsang + iron wire... why not just take Systemic Failure and Flying daggers instead? esp for Fortified

[distant mesa]

stats dont really matter but

[balmy condor]

because exsang is better than systemic failure and iron wire is the strongest m+ utility in the game right now

[ebon notch]

Wanna do some mythic logs?

[distant mesa]

I mean I used my latest terros kill to test it

[balmy condor]

no

[celest helm]

im at 41 crit 45 mast it feels decent

[balmy condor]

idk

it's fucking insane to me

that people think !logs is a sustainable solution

[thorny pond]

Sure. If wowanal can not break for one fucking minute

[balmy condor]

it's just a stop-gap because a huge influx of people

[ionic fox]

Also had to grab different rogue builds from others the M+ builds didn't have tricks lol

[balmy condor]

we don't have the bandwidth to support reading everyones logs

[ionic fox]

some reason had blackjack

[ebon notch]

There aren't enough dudes to read all the logs

[balmy condor]

I mean

[thorny pond]

Teach more people to read and review

[balmy condor]

fucking

lmao

[thorny pond]

Like sure it isn’t a feasible service

[balmy condor]

what a suggestion

[ebon notch]

Make it a patreon feature

Access to the !log channel

[drifting cloud]

press buttons goodly

[thorny pond]

So yea make a pattern

[balmy condor]

don't have enough people? just get more people

[distant mesa]

smart idea, public discord feature with a paywall... are you crazy?

[thorny pond]

Yes

[balmy condor]

bro stfu

lmao

[ebon notch]

Lmao it would be an extra service

This discord doesn't exist just to provide log reviews

It's a bonus that people are very privileged to receive

[drifting cloud]

everyone knows this discord is for shitposting

[thorny pond]

This discord is already vastly better than essentially every other class, all for free to public through what amounts to members like Whispyr donating their time

Is wowanal works great

[ebon notch]

Do you know how many class discords are filled with absolute shitters?

[thorny pond]

But when it doesn’t, it creates an influx here

Or people comi n in and questioning it

[balmy condor]

that's why I've been working with them to make it good

and then you sit there

like a dumbass

and go

"JUST LOG"

HAHA

JUST HAVE MORE PEOPLE

TO READ LOGS

HAHA

[ebon notch]

we have literal world first raiders and the APL writers themselves here

[balmy condor]

the absolute most braindead shit I have ever read in my life

for 0 reason

[thorny pond]

Well I apologize for half baked takes but also I’m not wrong for saying it creates even more headaches if it is behind or not working. Every healing discord is a straight disaster when it goes to hell

[balmy condor]

that's

okay

I can't fucking do this tonight

[ebon notch]

You had a rough day?

[thorny pond]

Like I do feel bad because it isn't an attack against you. Truly, your work is what drives this channel and community. My meme take is just out of past poor experiences with that tool, even when it does work

[balmy condor]

that's the whole point

of us making !log

it doesn't work

we did something to try and replace it temporarily

now it getting to a point where it works good enough

[thorny pond]

I would just create a channel for that specifically then is all. Otherwise this channel just becomes "hey, can you confirm this?" "Is this really accurate?" "but what if x?"

[balmy condor]

I'd happily tell people "yes" and "use it"

than waste my time staring at a heroic log that doesn't shiv for a minute and a half

[idle coyote]

Okay but are biscuits still in the meta

[balmy condor]

chicken sandwich sold out

no biscuits today

[idle coyote]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

yah

sad days

[thorny pond]

ever had Hot Chicken Takeaway?

[idle coyote]

I will be playing sub this weekend and asking you repeat questions then

[distant mesa]

just cross checked logs, appreciate the people who make this possible to look at, thats improvement!

[idle coyote]

Everyone here should know I don’t play with box cause I don’t like pressing it

Gn

[distant mesa]

whats teh red 7% mean?

[balmy condor]

wasted time

like clipped before pandemic

[distant mesa]

ah, ok

[balmy condor]

those are where vanish are

so it's fine

[distant mesa]

so I still need to envenom more

oh, aight cool

just trying to make sure I'm not big messing

[neon kindle]

how the sin bois feeling

[balmy condor]

exactly the same as last week

[normal olive]

[distant mesa]

[neon kindle]

with the new talents

same?

[weak isle]

How come every channel is always so heated 😦

[neon kindle]

not rejoicing?

[balmy condor]

exactly the same as last week

[neon kindle]

breh no

im cry

i was thinking about going sin

[normal olive]

[dark token]

I'm meming it's obvious not supporting sub

[weak isle]

Outlaw losing it cus of some nerfs that dont matter

Sin losing it cus whispyr is being dragged over the floor by members

And sub is just there in peace

[marsh dragon]

are the talents in faqs updated?

[dark token]

No need to delete

[balmy condor]

frozen don't fuck with me right now about this

[nocturne current]

We need to convert Whyps into an AI.

[balmy condor]

next delete is you

not the message

[weak isle]

Nah we need to free whisp

[slim hamlet]

how about the 2 openers we saw yesterday

[vapid sierra]

outlaw nerfs are ight

[dark token]

I mean it's pretty obvious !logs isn't scabale and is based on people volunteering their time so you shouldn't expect a review right away from a good source without tipping imo

[vapid sierra]

we still vibing

[slim hamlet]

Must at least count as content

[dark token]

People do coaching on logs all the time for paid

Why would u get a free analysis

[weak isle]

Thell that to ur class channel LMFAO

[dark token]

Just wowanal also sux

[vapid sierra]

will you help me?

im scared of them sometimes

[dark token]

Need to reach out to the maintainers

[weak isle]

I tend to avoid that channel

Rather just chat with forever or zac in private lmfao

[vapid sierra]

they respond to dms?

[weak isle]

If ur lucky

[vapid sierra]

AH

[dark token]

Sub is always most peaceful channel

Good vibes

Hof raiders chime in

[gray hazel]

Are you guys using the glacial or tepid vers phials for m+?

[weak isle]

We sub players just dont care

[zinc frost]

Vers

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

glacial is best simming

tepid vers sucks for sin since we dont take vers

[balmy condor]

what

tepid vers is the go-to

[teal bloom]

[gray hazel]

Thanks!

[oak tangle]

Glacial only sims best if it’s the only one you sim

[dark token]

Tepid vers is best in all situations for all 3 spec

[vapid sierra]

on your sheet it says that its glacial

maybe because its a dslice sim?

im probably overlooking something

[teal bloom]

Glacial does sim a bit higher in dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

yeh

people take tepid anyways

because vers damage reduction good

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor Did I understand the apl correctly, you hold shiv for deathmark if it is coming of cd in less than 10 seconds? Assuming only 1 charge of shiv

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vapid sierra]

what do you guys run on raz for sparks stun on heroic?

do you guys just kick/1cp kidney?

[normal olive]

bloodelf

[teal bloom]

Blood elf racial destroys the spark?

[normal olive]

ye

[vapid sierra]

W

im a blood elf

[dark token]

Don't kidney lol

[weak isle]

+1 on this one

[dark token]

Kick

Belf

Or blind if u have to

No kidneys

[weak isle]

Emergency kidney if ur team made an oopsie tho

It do be a waste of cp'z

[vapid sierra]

belf?

theres two sparks

i can kick, and blind the first one

arcane torment the second

[dark token]

Bruh

[weak isle]

What

[vapid sierra]

whats belf

i responded to the wrong message

[normal olive]

blood elf

[dark token]

[weak isle]

Blood elf

[normal olive]

[vapid sierra]

ah

[dark token]

Why u using 2 interrupgs

[distant mesa]

Blood Elf Torrent Racial is so BiS with the energy regen

[dark token]

On one spark

[vapid sierra]

cause

heroic

you need to

[dark token]

[normal olive]

you have to kick / cc twice on hc

[dark token]

No shit

[normal olive]

don't tell him about mythic

[dark token]

But why are u using

[zinc frost]

War stomp

[dark token]

Both kick and blind

On the first stomp

???

It only takes 1 interrupt per spark

[ebon notch]

Bro I used whatever I had to make sure sparks were gone

[dark token]

Kick first

[ebon notch]

Tired of wiping to that shit

[dark token]

Blind 2nd

[dark token]

I have rop dropped on me

[oak sky]

So free

[dark token]

Easy p1

[oak sky]

Rop op

[ebon notch]

I'm gonna overkill all sparks

No matter what

If they're in range of me

[nocturne current]

I kidney the ball so hard I even talent into internal bleeding.

[normal olive]

what about

[dark token]

We have 2 mages ring of frosting

And rop

[normal olive]

mfd kidney a spark

[dark token]

Ok

[zinc frost]

Get out

[dark token]

Ur fuckin trolling

[normal olive]

no

its my special

[dark token]

On heroic it doesn't even matter

[weak isle]

What the fk did u just say

[normal olive]

used that as opener

[dark token]

Raid should clear it

[nocturne current]

[dark token]

Kick first spark

Blind 2nd

Ur done

No kidney, no gouge

Do not pass go

[teal bloom]

Internal bleeding to send a message to the spark, i like it

[weak isle]

Kidney 3rd on mythic

[vapid sierra]

im gonna belf first then kick/blind second then kick/kidney third

[dark token]

Arcane torrent works instead of blind

[vapid sierra]

best course of action

[drifting cloud]

its heroic just stack on a dh

[dark token]

Yes

Exactly

I ignore sparks on heroic

[normal olive]

just follow a monk

[dark token]

Cause raid insta clear em

Lmao

[normal olive]

they put down ring on top of themself anyway

[weak isle]

U'd be suprised

[dark token]

Also we only get 1 set

DPS kinda low for 2 sets

Sometimes we even skip the 1 set

[weak isle]

2 sets = wipe

U aint got dps for that boss

For 2 sets

[vapid sierra]

does arcane tormment only remove your spark are all sparks in your 8yard range

[weak isle]

All

[dark token]

Legit just stack on dk, dh, monk, etc etc

They insta pop

[elder juniper]

Hey guys, around how much mastery and crit should I have? I have 4.8k crit and 1.2k mastery, I think I need more mastery and I'm ok with crit?

[vapid sierra]

what %

[balmy condor]

if it sims highest for you

it's good

just keep using top gear

there aren't breakpoints for anything

[elder juniper]

Thanks Whispyr!

[eager arrow]

Can anyone tell me why I can’t stealth? I’m out of combat but cannot stealth or vanish

Something to do with the Imbu world quest it seems

[balmy condor]

there's some situations where you get combat locked

not being able to vanish is very weird though

[main vessel]

soon^tm

[indigo pollen]

i wish i could read

[balmy condor]

[main vessel]

also I'm reading the feedback on WoWA, but I won't be in here terribly often. if you have info that needs to get to me, I'm sure Whispyr would be willing to funnel me the info. 🙂

[indigo pollen]

how much yall paying for lariat recraft?

[balmy condor]

like 10k

[indigo pollen]

cool that doesn't seem so bad, was scared yall gonna say 30 or somethin haha

[lusty surge]

its bugged in that wq specifically

cant stealth or vanish

super weird

once you step outside the range it works again

[solid mica]

I couldnt while doing that either

[dark token]

5k craft, recraft free

[split grail]

!logs

[outer lodge]

worth running CT for M Kurog?

[rancid mason]

Are there weak aura's for the mage tower?

[balmy condor]

no

just use dbm/bigwigs

[wet field]

Hey guys.. something I enjoy doing when I can't play wow is watch and learn from higher skilled players playing, thats easy enough with outlaw on YouTube., but it seems to me there is like 0 assassination representation on that app for pve and world stuff.. very hard to find up to date guides for people to explain Stat weights or talent and gear choices for certain scenarios.. I'm a visual learner so no matter how much I read and copy what I see you guys say or from the back and forth I've had with a few of the people here, I grasp things quicker if I can see someone do it.. maybe I just need to get on twitch or something but if anyone knows a decent YouTuber to watch for pve assassination content please send me links

[balmy condor]

is that a copypasta

or a serious thing

[rancid mason]

Hmmm

[violet jackal]

seems like a copy pasta but it is very true

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean

youtube is just a really bad platform to try and put guide content onto

[violet jackal]

is it? seems to be the common place that everyone goes

[viscid mantle]

Deadly poison or instant?

[violet jackal]

deadly

[viscid mantle]

thank you

[balmy condor]

yeah, and bridges are a common place for depressed people to contemplate life

skyscrapers are a common thing airplanes crash into

those aren't good things

it's possible for things to be common and also bad

[weak isle]

Im looking at a 55/45 scenario here

55% meme 45% srs

[magic vine]

the issue is that ensuring people get updated info is really hard with how youtube does stuff

or you'll be like the guy who came into the sub channel just 15-30 minutes ago asking if a bug some youtube guide posted was still a thing

[low girder]

that's the real problem

[weak isle]

Yt guide thats 1 month old btw

[low girder]

how many guides out there say to go KB + IC for M+

on youtube

and that build is deleted

in a fairly minor patch

[weak isle]

I mean vids that are outdated

Released before changes

[low girder]

yeah but when you search they still surface. especially if the guide was halfway decent.

if you search for the wowhead guide

that gets updated

videos don't

[weak isle]

True, yt'ers dont care bout adding "outdated" to their vids

Click = money

So why would u

[low girder]

on top of any findings that happen in the middle of a patch, without any patches. or hotfixes. etc etc etc.

[weak isle]

Ye reason yt is a bad place for it

[balmy condor]

it's actually even worse than that, a lot of youtubers won't even bother making a guide in the first place because there's no longevity in the contetn

if pewdiepie does an amnesia playthrough, that shit gets views for the next 12 years

you release a guide for a wow spec

and you stop getting clicks 3 months later

[low girder]

ye

[somber hill]

does anyone have time to look at my logs?

!logs

[wet field]

@balmy condorthat wasnt copy paste.. that was me asking a question

[indigo pollen]

im watching whispyr stream rn and its already clarified a couple weird little thoughts ive had homie

[main vessel]

whispyr isn't streaming

[wet field]

and i get the youtube issue.. maybe ill have to watch streams.. i just want to get more understanding as a visual learner

[balmy condor]

fucking comcast

[main vessel]

relatable

also, re: the animacharged finisher thing earlier

[wet field]

lmao

[main vessel]

is the gist that animacharging a finisher should just make it count as a good cast? or is it just that it's not counting animacharged finishers as max CP

the latter, I think, but confirming

[balmy condor]

yeah

any finisher on animacharge is a good cast

[main vessel]

[balmy condor]

should probably also add a tracker for missed usages of animacharged cp

[main vessel]

[balmy condor]

like if the debuff times out

but yeh, Animacharge > 5/6 cp > bad

[main vessel]

what about if you have animacharged 3cp but you cast a rupture with 5cp, is that good or bad

[balmy condor]

thats fine

you'll have to do that

because of the combo point randomness

[main vessel]

so skipping animacharged casts is fine, but letting the buff timeout is not, got it.

[balmy condor]

you'll be skipping over the second charge constantly

cause mut is 2cp, but then you get and get a third or fourth cp

so if you're just sitting on the 2nd animacharge

mut, crit

unlucky

build to 5

finish

try again

mut, crit

unlucky

rinse repeat

[magic vine]

you have 45 seconds to use all 3 super charged cps

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's more than enough time

even if you get unluckyt

[magic vine]

and if you follow the faq rotation stuff you'll use 1-2 of them almost immediately like always

so you're really just keeping an eye out for 1 most of the time, sometimes 2

[balmy condor]

yeh

[main vessel]

maybe I'll actually log into my rogue eventually and try this out

[frigid pilot]

Ever play sin on Kurog and look at details and get

[main vessel]

my guild's rogue switched to sin on m kurog tonight and we killed it that pull

[balmy condor]

sin is really good on kurog

[main vessel]

91k looks like from the log

[balmy condor]

just not for overall damage

[main vessel]

4th highest DPS on the kill pull

[balmy condor]

it's a sad world

[main vessel]

he's not running the exsanguinate build either

[balmy condor]

good

[main vessel]

though I don't know if that's a thing for kurog

[balmy condor]

kurog has its own build

[main vessel]

well he's running the same build on dathea

w/e that means

[burnt venture]

Is KB still the play on Raz prog?

[drifting cloud]

probably not

[burnt venture]

Nvm don’t answer that. It’s in the pins

I’m idiot

!whysper

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[kindred tangle]

anyone have any builds for mage tower assass? I am having a tough time

[dire flame]

Hello i have a question on dathea H

[balmy condor]

pins have an updated guide

[balmy condor]

[kindred tangle]

ty

[dire flame]

our add groups are goign up and getting different stacks of the debuff

Why it do that

[balmy condor]

depends how long they stay on the platform

[kindred tangle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

longer on platform = more stacks

[dire flame]

So people can have 16 and or 24 stacks

Each person has a different

stack count

instad of being the same across everyone

[strange python]

I hate you

For having eggnog ring

[dire flame]

I could be dumb so excuse me

[strange python]

We're all dumb here. Welcome

[dire flame]

i do not want to be dumb

[strange python]

Then you wanna go to sub channel

[dire flame]

Oh no im dumb then

[gusty mirage]

they said not dumb

[balmy condor]

yeh no

idk how that's possible

being like 1-2 stacks off happens

but 16 to 24

is whack

maybe they're immuning?

[dire flame]

its a big stack diff

[strange python]

Avoidance kek

[drifting cloud]

24? did they go up twice in a row

[gusty mirage]

prolly took forever to kill

[strange python]

U think I can read?

I'm 120 pulls into raz I am delirious

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-read-no-paper-gif-15431619

[strange python]

We def miss hof this tier :/

No OT gang, lost five raid nights to weather n servers

[dire flame]

i know its kinda hard to see

but is 8 stack difference ok

they finshed at 17 and just hit 20+

Very quickly

[magic vine]

well, you can't get more stacks while dead i don't think

[dire flame]

Yea they are waiting for blowback and just get stacked really quickly

i think its just taking them too long :)

they keep saying is "bugged" but its just slow dps :)

[drifting cloud]

I mean surely you have a safe to kill weakaura

you can see on that timer if theyre way over

[dire flame]

i have posted it in discord

[marble hemlock]

Probably too many casts going through if they have that many stacks

[dire flame]

but a whole 3 people use it

so its hard lol

[ebon notch]

It's a bug

Happened in rwf

[hollow helm]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ebon notch]

For some reason some people when going up with pre existing stacks were gaining stacks at an increased rate

Idk if they found a reason

They once sent jpc up on a platform back to back and he melted

[dire flame]

hmm

ok

interesting

[ebon notch]

Did you send people back to back?

[dire flame]

no it was first time everytime

[ebon notch]

Very weird

Do your best to not miss kicks I guess

[dire flame]

very true

[ebon notch]

If people haven't landed yet don't bother kicking

Bugs them out and they don't stack

[dire flame]

they opted me into taking iron wire and IC so they are depserate

and isaid no

but

[ebon notch]

We had people kicking mid air

[dire flame]

strong armed

[ebon notch]

And it wasn't doing anything

[dire flame]

this is repeated every time we fly up and is just on deaf ears

[ebon notch]

Let 1 or 2 casts go through while everyone lands

And then kick

Ah well

[ebon notch]

Do your best

[dire flame]

ill pass it along

i try

Thanks

[magic vine]

bring a dk, make them do all the work

[dire flame]

As the only melee in the group

next to the tanks

i wish

[magic vine]

slappy hands and the yoink just vacuumes them all up

[split grail]

confirming that this is the current dtb opener

[balmy condor]

yes

[split grail]

thanks

[zinc turtle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vital arrow]

Is SbS better that going 3/3 on Zold?

[balmy condor]

depends on situation

[vital arrow]

Fights with no adds

Or tryran keys

[balmy condor]

no

well

yes

sbs on single targe

[frozen turtle]

Is the original DTB spec pre 10.0.5 no Bueno anymore?

[balmy condor]

poison dtb wasn't really ever good

it's still kinda okay

but it's worse

[frozen turtle]

Ahh just curious. I do prefer being able to incorporate exang

[prisma cypress]

if you enjoy exsang people here will be happy to explain why you are objectively wrong and why are you having fun

[frozen turtle]

😂

[rancid mason]

So, what about the Multi Target build that uses IC what is the opener for that? I don't see any updated versions of that. Same thing, just cast IC before pull? @balmy condor

[normal olive]

[oak tangle]

i can understand exsang's appeal as it chops up the repetetive nature a bit, but like yehahhhhhh nah

[main vessel]

Hello, happy to announce that WoWA now supports Animacharged finishers!

[teal bloom]

[dusk summit]

Is exsanguinate a trap talent? Ie. Not worth it? Or did I misunderstand?

[balmy condor]

yah

[reef crow]

yo real quick, for boss enc, should i just be using ER on cd or always have to pair with DM?

[prisma cypress]

no, it’s good, it just engenders a lot of angst among certain people who dislike it

[rancid mason]

Use it in your opener for said boss, then use it on cd I'm pretty sure.

[balmy condor]

so based

[spice spire]

Huge

[reef crow]

thanks i figured. was just wondering if the benefit from anima charged envenom w/ double amp poison during DM outweighed doing it on cd

[rancid mason]

That I'm not sure about, though what I said is what the wowhead guide said to do. Anyone else want to chime in?

[dense herald]

Is it just worth macroing puzzle box to exang?

[woeful meteor]

Can you even macro them together?

[reef crow]

nah

[dense herald]

Same keybind kinda thing

[reef crow]

you would still have to press it twice

[dense herald]

Ye

[rancid mason]

The single target Exsang use it after you cast ER. Ideally you would use it when all of your poisons are applied and then use exang after that.

[lament warren]

i helped too can u call me based too

[dense herald]

Do the exang’d dots dynamically get the mastery from puzzle if it’s used after exang?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

exsang only snapshots haste

[dense herald]

Okay easy

[lament warren]

and I just woke up too.. what a fucked up day

[dusk summit]

I kinda wish it was aoe based and not solo target. Maybe even effected poison. For the 3min CD. Feels kinda bad.

[lament warren]

if it were less than 3 minutes it would be way too strong

[lusty nacelle]

sorry for the meme request, but yesterday night, someone posted a gif of a guy twirling plates in response to a question about the assassination AoE rotation, anyone have that handy?

[lament warren]

“in: #assassination aoe” until you find a message you’re familiar with

p much

[lusty nacelle]

I tried to do it on my phone earlier, after 5 mins, I managed to go 4 hours prior to the current time

[lament warren]

do be like that sometimes

[next edge]

I got used to it now

and I dont mind it

honestly

Like its only once every 3 min

is fine

[lament warren]

I like exsang :)

[royal lantern]

cease 🙂

[lament warren]

it’s got a really cool icon

and I would say it’s fun to play around snapshotted bleeds but someone would say what does that even mean you just let them fall off

which is kind of the point

they’re just cool

[steel ridge]

Delete exsang

[terse orchid]

Bring back snapshotting

[steel ridge]

No

[balmy condor]

please dont

[steel ridge]

Buff AP to 8 targets and 30%, make IC give stealth garrote damage without iron wire and buff KB.

thats my wishlist

[viral shard]

Down with kingsbane enjoyers

[steel ridge]

or just buff TTB to insane levels to make AP better 😂

[viral shard]

Dude imagine shivs hitting for 30k

[manic walrus]

why do u wanna puzzle box b4 you rupture after ER instead of 3 seconsd b4 pull timer?

is it so u have it for the entire deathmark?

[oak sky]

yeah

[lament warren]

because you’re going to exsang that rupture within 2 globals

so you want it to be as long as possible

[royal lantern]

if you use box pre-pull, the buff is at like 6sec left when you use DM and start doing dmg lol

[lament warren]

it’s also so you have echoing on cd

[hollow helm]

In a fight thats >3mins but <4mins do you hold deathmark to use with exsang

[lament warren]

yes

if you’ll get the entire dm

otherwise no

[hollow helm]

right ok

losing 5sec on the DM because the boss dies = bad

[lament warren]

yes

but 5 seconds might still be worth it

that much i’m not sure of

[hollow helm]

Yea I get the idea tho

[lament warren]

you could tweak the apl to find out

just set deathmark to only cast when exsanguinate is on cd

and then play around with fight timers

bc if it’s only 5 seconds of dm the zoldycks might outweigh

[hollow helm]

right ok thanks for the help m8

[lament warren]

np

[narrow vigil]

i just logged in and the rogue side of my tree has been reset cause of changes but i cant see any changes other than the ones in 10.0.5 and i was playing last night

was there a hotfix or something

[lament warren]

not sure, not the only person to report this issue but no clue why

[dense herald]

Why do we puzzle before that rupture as opposed to the global before exang?

[lament warren]

because the rupture ticking means it loses value

it loses 1 combo point of value every 4 seconds

because we’re creating ticks with exsang

normal bleeds do not lose value based on duration

but bc of exsang these do

that’s why your last two globals before applying exsang are reapplying your bleeds to max duration

[dense herald]

Sounds g

Ty

[lament warren]

you want as much duration as possible so you can deathmark them as long as possible

[elder juniper]

the 4set works on aoe? Or is just ST?

[balmy condor]

all bleeds

[elder juniper]

Like, all bleeds on all targets? or only on the target that I'm hitting?

[balmy condor]

it's a buff on you

that increases all bleed damage done

....by you

[elder juniper]

Ohhhh

So yeah, works on aoe

thanks!

[lyric herald]

what are the best enchants to have on weapons now

[royal lantern]

sophic devotion on both, Nothing change da there

[hollow helm]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[inland kernel]

hey guys, just a quick question, does asa rogue feel better after patch in m+ or is around the same it used to be?

[royal lantern]

nothing changed on assa

like, nothing at all, you play dtb ic now, but dmg is the same

[vernal plinth]

What’s up boys. Mostly PvP but want to start pushing higher end pve content. Around ilvl 385, have 4pc. Is it best to simply push higher keys and raids or focus on farming specific items like puzzle box?

[royal lantern]

i mean, both

box is giga, you also want higher tier gear in general from the raid, ans stuff like incarnate icon/funtorch

[torn atlas]

Personally, I find it FEELS better, but doesn't necessarily DO better. If that makes sense.

[inland kernel]

that's exactly what I was asking for

[vernal plinth]

Do you focus on specific bosses/dungeons ? Or do whatever’s available

I guess for raiding you can only loot once per difficulty anyway

[inland kernel]

I used to play asa in SL m+

[vernal plinth]

For m+ tho like would you just do AA only until you get box 😂

[supple leaf]

Same feedback here as @torn atlas , it feels better in M+ but numbers are similar or worse for me for +18 keys

[lament warren]

yes

[grim jay]

Its like that on most classes

You get a baseline on score for steady invites

Then you spamfarm the dungeons you need gear from

Preferably on 16+

[winter raft]

does macroing deathmark and a potion of power or w/e is called work?idk shit about macros

[lament warren]

yes

but the potion lasts longer than that so you could honestly get away with prepotting

[balmy condor]

please do not prepot

[silver forum]

so play exsang or not?

[lament warren]

prepotting is very based

[silver forum]

i want to not cause its more buttons

[grim jay]

I think he/she just meant before DM

[lament warren]

nope

i meant on pull

[grim jay]

Uh

[balmy condor]

its a 2% loss to not take exsang

is that worth it to you

[lament warren]

you get your hasted bleeds, you get the entire deathmark

[silver forum]

worth

[grim jay]

But you also get a good amount of time where you just deal less damage empowered by the pot

[silver forum]

thinking i should play sin on keurig

my guild got him to 2.3%

[vestal cliff]

In the Primal Council Fight, if u dont have IC up but the bleeds are running out do u refresh them one by one on all targets or do u wait until IC is up and spam envenom?

[grim jay]

Never drop bleeds if you can

[lament warren]

how do

so

we open with garrote!!!

[silver forum]

is it worth to get crimson tempest for Keurig????

[lament warren]

but yeah i agree prepotting is not the wave

but as long as you press it in the general vicinity of deathmark it kinda does not matter

[grim jay]

Its still a setup time where you deal less damage than in the following where everything is already running and you actively use directly damaging abilities on top