assassination

[normal mist]

Nooooooo

[grim jay]

Dont sim 84k reroll

[normal mist]

Yeah fuck it, back to... Wait i only play rogue

[strange python]

I find the "compare" function in WL is...spotty at best. Just use two tabs.

[hollow helm]

@strange python Noob to WCL what do you mean max log

like the highest parser

[strange python]

Yep

[oak tangle]

I want them to implement an overcap mechanism like frost mage where my excess cp's just turn into damage. so i can just spam mutilate all fight

[grim jay]

Play surv, you can do whatever and noone will blame you

[strange python]

Key things to check: ability casts, ability timing, buff uptime, energy overcapping, combo point overcapping

[normal mist]

[strange python]

99% of the time those are the difference makers

[sand basin]

Why unbreakable stride over deadened nerves in standard?

[strange python]

Deep in farm, the difference between a 95 and 99 can come down to kill time/strat tho

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s where cheat death was and it doesn’t matter

[normal mist]

Nah man, we would lose the main source of damage in my group xD

[strange python]

I can already assume that it will be impossible to 99% dathea/diurna/kurog without dathea trinket and padding

That's why you go pure zug zug and set Boss Dam to your main parse page 🙂

[sand basin]

Thanks

[grim jay]

Relatable

[normal mist]

Which i still question if that's a good thing or not

[hollow helm]

Thanks for the tips @strange python 🙂

[oak tangle]

when i get beated on any cleave fight i console myself with boss dam

[grim jay]

You think its that bad on kurog ?

[burnt latch]

this is the natural assa rogue reaction

always has been, always will be

[strange python]

Storm eaters boon is just an absurdly overpowered trinket tbh

Any chance to juice that thing is going to make people with it parse much higher

[burnt latch]

doing 3x less damage than warlocks on anduin "ye but the boss dam tho"

they were even topping that

[strange python]

The top 30 parses on kurog will be storm eaters boon in intermission on double elementals and like 6 little dragon bastards

[grim jay]

I mean I have it and I use it, but didnt think it would be that bad already on stuff like kurog

[strange python]

Top logs for any fight with any adds at all are already starting to show a lot of booners

[burnt latch]

[oak tangle]

you guys seen other classes try and use it around and just plant into shit? makes me laugh

[strange python]

Enhance shamans just fall over

[grim jay]

I have bad days aswell

DH using it is funny aswell

I suggested macroing it to darkness

[oak tangle]

actual serious question from me for once, i'm noticing i do significantly less damage with deathmark itself than other's, is there a trick with how to use it?

like on the order of half as much, with same ilvl and same number of casts

[strange python]

There shouldn't be a reason DM itself hits less hard than others

[oak tangle]

oh i'm a derp, didn't realise the duplicated stuff was in deathmarks damage on logs not in the respective ability

[radiant crown]

how do you go about council fight as sin, with garotte been a 6 second CD, you wouldnt be able to consistently keep it up on all 4 would you?

[strange python]

It'll inevitably fall off some targets some of the time

IC helps to smooth it out

But yes, it will fall

[steel ridge]

i am out of buttons for a SBS, Blindside, CT hybrid

fml

[radiant crown]

i dont understand t his part of the FAQ

All finishers should be used at max-1 combo points. This means 4+ (max of 5) without Deeper Stratagem, and 5+ (max of 6) with Deeper Stratagem

[regal oxide]

Can exanguinate be popped on CD or need to be used just b4 deathmark everytime?

[radiant crown]

if you line it up correctly deathmark will be usable with exsang every 6 minutes, so one at the start, one 6 minutes in, one 12 minutes in

[oak tangle]

depending on how many cp you have

you can cast finisher at that numebr minus 1

[radiant crown]

yea but why would you do that over getting it to 5/5 or 6/6 cp

[regal oxide]

thanks

[oak tangle]

because to get to that cp you will waste some

[radiant crown]

so theyre saying if you land on max-1 then use finisher basically

[oak tangle]

it's ok to use a garrote to get to 6/6 though

provided its ready to be cast

but yeah

[grim jay]

Uh what

[strange python]

how important it is to maintain the buff elaborate planning? or should just treat is as a passive and forget about it?

[grim jay]

Yes

[royal lantern]

its passive

[radiant crown]

what what

[royal lantern]

you dont/cant play around it

@strange python

[radiant crown]

exsang is 3 minutes deathmark is 2 minutes, delaying deathmark an entire minute is ridic to line it up with exsang

therefore every 2 exsang casts you'll get a deathmark cast

[royal lantern]

you delay exsang, not dm

dm is send on cd

[grim jay]

You line up exs with DM so its pull -> 4 min -> 8 min ...
You hold exsang except if you miss a cast

[oak tangle]

spec out of exsang

ez

[strange python]

i see some of the other sin rogues...their uptime of that buff is high..compared to mine which is low...thats why im asking..

[royal lantern]

are you using finishers right?

[oak tangle]

it'll be them chaining finishers

[radiant crown]

Oh you sit on exsang for a minute to line it up with deathmark?

Oh, ok

[royal lantern]

yes

[grim jay]

Yes

Except if you miss a cast

[oak tangle]

look up pooling

for why they may have higher buff times on elaborate

[royal lantern]

dont

pooling is not a thing

stop saying/acting as if it is

[grim jay]

Except to pool enough for vanish to garrote what you need to garrote

Just treat pooling like scaling

Avoid that shit at all cost

[oak tangle]

i mean for the most part with thistle it's not a thing any more. but when you are super starved, it is better to regen a bit so you can back to back envenoms vs just keeping on starving between

[grim jay]

No

[hushed wing]

how is assass in m+ after the update? Can it compete w sub n outlaw?

[grim jay]

Its just not a thing in general

[radiant crown]

no

[grim jay]

Its basically the same as before

[hushed wing]

sadge

[radiant crown]

i still play it in M+ in like low 17/18's and stuff, its fine

but youre not gonna be like blasting the aoe meters

[hushed wing]

no 500k dps on aa i guess

[oak tangle]

above 100 at least

[oak tangle]

lucky it's doable without it XD

[keen spruce]

@fossil frost did you see all of my helpful tips I put yesterday after u yelled at me

[grim jay]

Oh no

[timber basalt]

guys i didn't realise we still had vendetta

[grim jay]

"You are cringe" "im new" "denying info" inc

[keen spruce]

well to be fair

I didn't give him any info

until after he left

but he did call me cringe for makin a joke

didn't all of us get bullied for our stupid questions when we first joined this server

it's like a rite of passage

[grim jay]

I mean, he still didnt get that old mechanics are old mechanics

So

[polar matrix]

no logic to shiv use for dtb exsang right?

just send that shit on cd

[winter moss]

Shiv: With Kingsbane, save both charges to cover the full kingsbane DoT, otherwise cast on cooldown. Do not force envenoms during shiv. Trying to play around shiv and force an extra envenom is not a gain.

[polar matrix]

@winter moss wtf is your "about me"

lol

[winter moss]

copy pasta

[summer matrix]

So what's the verdict? I haven't heard the news, is assa still good or is it dog?

[keen spruce]

there's a nice pin up there in the top right

[summer matrix]

Lovely thanks

[oak tangle]

just play better than your group mates and you'll make them want to swap classes

[hardy dagger]

Just reroll to arms

[storm onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[summer matrix]

Oo it's updated already. Oh lord kb so bad now. I liked kb 🥲

[vestal wren]

just take the damage loss like a man

but yes, kb is kinda... not great

[fathom arch]

Sounds like you missed the pvp channel

[hardy dagger]

All I know is that arms might just be the best spec in the game rn

[little light]

I do more dmg now tbh because I was shit with KB

xD

[fathom arch]

Arms doesn’t just fall over in arena now is all I know, it’s oppressive

[vestal wren]

KB and DTB ended up very close pre 10.0.5

i do think majority just went with dtb always

[subtle tundra]

kb more fun but i didnt care and wanted to chill so i played dtb

[fathom arch]

You had to play around kb, dtb let you just do what you want

As you say, chill

[little light]

I feel I can do more in m+ when I have to swtich targets for CC/interrupts and I dont have to try be on the same target for kb ramp

or at least I'm less stressed with dtb

fantasy/gameplay KB is much cooler tho

[subtle tundra]

a lot of the time my kb would be suboptimal in aoe

so while the simdps hasnt changed

in practice the dps should have gone up

[summer briar]

is there a way to macro echoing with envenom on same button ? i want it to show echoing is its available to cast m and if not it should show envenom ?

[subtle tundra]

now this is something new

[polar matrix]

anyone had this ice bug on sennarth

where u spin in cricles

if so there a fix?

[limber lion]

From the worst opener ever to asking the dumbest question

What a gamer

[grim jay]

[summer briar]

other then doing a /castsequence reset=4 Echoing Reprimand, Envenom,Envenom,Envenom,Envenom

[subtle tundra]

my love

but it on a keybind

youre welcome

my dearest person

[summer briar]

its not a dumb question if ur trying to save binds

[little light]

its not a good idea to macro ER anyway

[oak tangle]

why bind those 2 of all skills

[subtle tundra]

it is dumb

[little light]

and its not a super short cd you can have ER on a bind that is not that close

I have my ER shift+v

[grim jay]

If you cant deal with many binds

Dont play rogue

[oak tangle]

to be fair, assass did bloat with binds this expac

[little light]

you have one less bind now without kb np xD

[oak tangle]

but i still wanna know the logic for ER and ENV

[little light]

there is no logic

[grim jay]

The only specs equally bad are arcane and all monk specs

Maybe hpal aswell

You can macro more on those tho

[steel ridge]

its alot for sure

[little light]

you dont have to bind pickpocket 😛

[summer briar]

because im not casting those at the same time and according to sims echoing is followed up by a envenom

[steel ridge]

wtf

[oak tangle]

that's cause envenom is a super key ability to cast in the whoel rotation

[little light]

You will use rupture and crimson after ER too

[summer briar]

those i have on a keybind so that is fine

im just trying to find a way to short down some binds

[little light]

Hear me out

[oak tangle]

vanish deathmark

[grim jay]

You will env when ER is up sometimes aswell

[little light]

I dont get how you save a keybind

if you wanna macro er+envenom when you will also have to use ER alone for rupture and ct

am I getting trolled

[grim jay]

Or env without er if er comes up and you have Max cp

[little light]

exactly

think we getting bamboozled

[oak tangle]

i feel like it would be a dps increase for them to just un talent ER than to try and run a keybind like that

[little light]

I'm assuming them not picking tricks or gouge already to save binds xd

"thistle tea.. thats a nope"

[oak tangle]

sadly bliz doesn't let you not spend all talent points, so you have to face them sitting there not being used

[little light]

you could unbind shadowstep and sprint

lets just cut to the essential

slice and dice, unbind

[oak tangle]

unironically i don't have sprint bound

[buoyant quail]

Speaking of Macro's is there legitimately useful ones for a newish Sin Rogue?

[little light]

I only use tricks macro but there could be something else useful

[oak tangle]

the only one i have vanish and deathmark, it's a dps loss, but it's also a keybind saved

[buoyant quail]

that one makes sense

[royal lantern]

mouseover shadowstep if you like

[little light]

vanish and deathmark kinda makes sense tho you will want to use vanish sometimes on other situations

[royal lantern]

no

[languid laurel]

I have 2 macro's, one to cancel Amp poison and put on Instant poison and vice versa.

[royal lantern]

you DONT macro vanish and dm

[little light]

I know

[royal lantern]

if you do, stop now

[little light]

I'm just saying at least those are two that make sense using on cd

[oak tangle]

if i was all about min maxing i wouldnt

[little light]

but you need vanish for mechanics

so you shouldnt

[summer briar]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm][@mouseover,help] [] Shadowstep

[grim jay]

You dont use instant poison as sin

[buoyant quail]

but it will be a sequance cast macro anyway? so its not like you have to press it again to get the DM? Do you can still utilise the vanish

[languid laurel]

Really? I thought i read it was good in m+ for trash and you go amp on bosses?

[grim jay]

You use deadly

[languid laurel]

Deadly+amp or Deadly+instant, i swap between

[oak tangle]

but there is a dps increase in making a spec simpler to play

not just what a sim says

can feel all the mythic raiders cringing at me

but it's true

[summer briar]

should be increase on trash indeed, but what macro do you have to cancel

[royal lantern]

just stop, there is making stuff simpler to play, and there is "macro vanish and dm, even thought that the most stupid thing you could do"

[languid laurel]

Like this:

#showtooltip Amplifying poison
/cancelaura Instant poison
/cast Amplifying poison

and

#showtooltip Instant poison
/cancelaura Amplifying poison
/cast Instant poison

[oak tangle]

why is that stupid?

[royal lantern]

simpler to play is "use vanish before dm so they sync up naturaly, its very slightly less dps then using vanish after the first one drops off, but worth it cus you will do less mistakes overall"

[royal lantern]

cus you always vanish->garrote and then do something

aka vanish->garrote->exsang in the opener

[oak tangle]

right, but unless you're a CE raider or a parse monkey, it is a genuine thing for people that may otherwise struggle and not cost a billion dps

[little light]

you dont need to be a CE raider to play your class properly

[royal lantern]

or the fact that dm triggers a gcd cus its an attack, and you litearlly cancle vanish then

^

[little light]

The fact is what you call simplyifing is in reality building bad habits

that is the problem

So you are working against yourself

[oak tangle]

what do you mean cancel vanish?

[royal lantern]

there is a giant difference bettwen "HoF minmaximg" and "doing stupid shit that does more harm then good"

you go invis and use dm????

and dm is a attack?

[oak tangle]

right but 90% of the reason you use vanish is still applicable

[little light]

the only reason to use vanish outside a mechanic is because you can cast 3 empowered garrotes

[royal lantern]

no, its not, cus you dont vanish->dm ever

[fading mason]

!log

[peak bobcat]

There is literally no reason to use vanish with deathmark ever

So why would you ever macro them together

[royal lantern]

the closest you get is vanish->garrote->finisher->garrote->dm

[oak tangle]

i mean you want a empowered garrote. sure it delays and loses dps im not arguing that. but I gurantee you it is not that much

[royal lantern]

you never do any form of vanish->dm

[little light]

garrote is literally your 1st source of dmg

in most situations

I think you understimate how important those empowered garrotes are

[frigid kestrel]

Wtf am I reading ?

[oak tangle]

it's still an empowered garrote though

[peak bobcat]

Reapplying an improved garrote 12 seconds before pandemic is basically as bad as not pressing the button to begin with

[oak tangle]

improved garrote exists

[little light]

reaplying empowered garrote on the opener is a thing you do

[oak tangle]

i'm not arguing for BIS and optimal here

[peak bobcat]

It would cause you to overwrite your exsang garrotes, or your already empowered garrotes before pandemic

It’s not even viable

Let alone optimal

Just don’t do it

[little light]

I think we all speaking different thing now and mostly nonsense so I'll leave here

xD

[oak tangle]

idk i'll keep getting purples and oragnes with it while having fun with friends, if i wanted to push for 99's then sure i'd optimise but i dont care that much

[peak bobcat]

Clearly you care enough to argue about it and you’re not doing any damage macroing them together

[oak tangle]

because there are people here i imagine who are also not Mythic progress people who just want to chill and that's why they chose assassin

[peak bobcat]

This discord is used to help people improve, and actively promoting super bad gameplay is not going to go over well here

[oak tangle]

it was advice given to someone who wanted to lower their keybinds. if someone else wants to improve then i wouldnt expect them to find relevance in it

[grim jay]

If you wanna chill and do weird stuff you might aswell watch zerocool or something

[little light]

Regardless, I dont get the argument of "I wanna play my class worse cause its more fun"

[peak bobcat]

If you want to lower your keybinds take only passives

[little light]

Just play DH

dont even have to make an argument then

xD

Tho I can see you would be saying "I'm not gonna do thing to get the momentum buff thats only for CE raiders"

[grim jay]

Fury warrior

They even are good now

[little light]

Fury warrior version "yeah im not gonna cast my cds when I have enrage up thats for CE raiders"

[grim jay]

With 3 buttons

And fury is close to rogue

Bcs fury is outlaw without pistols

[peak bobcat]

Bro what is this warrior propaganda today

[thorn crater]

which is why outlaw should have been a warrior spec

having rage instead of energy would actually balance it

[peak bobcat]

Warrior sucks

[thorn crater]

so does outlaw

thats the point

[peak bobcat]

Outlaw does not suck

[royal lantern]

it swallows

[thorn crater]

im not talking about numbers big guy

[peak bobcat]

Outlaw is a light swashbuckler

Warrior is a generic default rpg character

[royal lantern]

my currentn DnD is a swashbuckler

[grim jay]

Outlaw sucks bcs it replaced combat

[peak bobcat]

That’s true

[royal lantern]

no, outlaw is a dualwield fighter that says "uhm,i attack 3x" each turn

[grim jay]

And warrior is generic but really good now

[peak bobcat]

Rogue master race

Warriors are for tanking

[royal lantern]

if "generic" would be a negative point, most people would not play the most generic stuff in the game lmao

[subtle tundra]

Mage and hunter are as generic as it gets aswell

[paper tartan]

why are we talking down on others? fury warrior is probably one of the hardest to parse 90%+ u miss a global or dont have full bis and ur gone 🙂

[subtle tundra]

[peak bobcat]

This is an ASSASSINATION rogue discord

[subtle tundra]

90% is not a hard parse to get

[paper tartan]

yeah that doesnt mean u have to go full cult mode xD

[peak bobcat]

Go suck off warriors

In their channel

[subtle tundra]

I'm in your walls

[royal lantern]

[paper tartan]

they live rent free here i guess

[subtle tundra]

I will talk down any and all specs

[peak bobcat]

The only thing that lives rent free in peoples heads are that rogues are always at the top of the meter

[raven knoll]

yeah they should nerf Outlaw

[subtle tundra]

I am not at the top of the meters I am bad

[paper tartan]

i got 4 set last night went from 10th to the top in one raid 😄

[subtle tundra]

That 4% dmg increase went real hard

[paper tartan]

assa 4 set has to be the most op

[peak bobcat]

The only thing I can’t beat are those DAMN ARCANE mages

Who get PI

[subtle tundra]

Its literally as average as it can get

4%

The intended amount

[peak bobcat]

Yeah but the irl mental buff you get from getting 4pc is insane

[subtle tundra]

Boomy is like 14% from 4pc

That's the op one

[paper tartan]

yea well its passive dmg and if it procs during DM / Puzzle / EXha its way more than 4%

[peak bobcat]

It always procs

[subtle tundra]

It's not a proc bozo

[peak bobcat]

Like 95% uptime

[subtle tundra]

It's a constant buff on you

[raven knoll]

how big of a DPS boost is 4piece in AOE?

[subtle tundra]

10%

[raven knoll]

nice

thats pretty good

[paper tartan]

it says 4% stacking 5 times?

[subtle tundra]

Clearly you don't know how it works

You have full stacks the whole encounter

It's not a proc

[paper tartan]

bleed dmg 20%

[peak bobcat]

Not all your damage is bleeds

[raven knoll]

Isnt most of your dmg envenom?

Mainly with DTB

[peak bobcat]

I miss sofo 2 piece

[subtle tundra]

Ok and look how much of your dmg is bleeds

Do 20% of that

[paper tartan]

in dungeons 40% is bleed for me

[subtle tundra]

Yes thats dungeons

It's a 10% dmg increase

You said raid

Went from being 10th to top

That's raid

[paper tartan]

ye ur right homie 🙂

[royal lantern]

sounds more like your raid plays bad

rogue should not be top in a world where Specs like unholydk exist

[raven knoll]

or they are insanely close in DPS

[paper tartan]

everyone around 69k

[raven knoll]

nice

[peak bobcat]

Wdym

We win on terros

[subtle tundra]

[steel ridge]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

Surely we are the st spec

[peak bobcat]

Just remove dk and hunter and we win

[subtle tundra]

And sub and outlaw

[steel ridge]

even affliction seems to have surpassed us now

[peak bobcat]

We do more than sub and outlaw pure st

[grim jay]

I mean people dont play stuff for all kinds of reasons. I dont like playing alts with high pop actually for example

@royal lantern

[subtle tundra]

You don't look at dmg to bosses

As a metric of st

Overall

Outlaw and sub are send to aoe duties

So they look bad

[peak bobcat]

I said terros

[balmy condor]

Hi varas your hat looks mighty spiffing today

[steel ridge]

true

[subtle tundra]

Thanks lad

[royal lantern]

what is an "alt"?

[peak bobcat]

No need for alts you are playing the protagonist

[grim jay]

You are cheating. You have alts on diff Servers!

[little light]

prob on RP servers

Goldshire RP shaming in the morning

xd

[royal lantern]

i dont need rp servers, i have #assassination

[subtle tundra]

Best erp discord wow server

[grim jay]

There are multiple similar statements possible

Might aswell say you dont need to go to gangbangs since you get fucked from all sides in here if you say something stupid

[royal lantern]

why else do you think i play wow

i love getting fucked by bad rng and blizzards weird choices all day

[granite sable]

For the non-exsang build, thoughts on dropping imp. poisons for venom rush? It sims a bit higher for me but i haven't tried it live

[balmy condor]

If it sims higher it’s good

[grim jay]

The only thoughts we have regarding non exsang wont help you

[grim jay]

This tho

[granite sable]

I'll try it, I felt so energy starved playing assa last night. Might be doing something wrong ofc but hoping this helps that without losing too much dps

[grim jay]

Its just what it is

[deft cave]

are we supposed to sinc Dm and exang? this was a 7 min sim so that lead to 1 less cast from puzzle and exang

[grim jay]

Its slowish

[peak bobcat]

Yes

[thorn crater]

if an old wa doesnt load does that mean that the spell ID isnt working or could the triggers and conditions be gone too?

[sweet sphinx]

any general advice on what gem combinations are good for lariat?

[chrome elk]

hey guys, with crit-mastery gear on dathea heroic, should i switch to outlaw to burst adds better or is sin still better ?

[sweet sphinx]

tried to sim but im not sure how to interpret it

[peak bobcat]

Play sub

[chrome elk]

i never tried sub but that makes sense

[peak bobcat]

Don’t need to change gear or weapons

[grim jay]

Show sim

[sweet sphinx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cS81GD8bcjD2HDDqfwNhhL

[chrome elk]

wait i never noticed, i thought vers was good for sub ? when did that change

[peak bobcat]

Vers is good

But mastery is also better than it was due to secret technique

[chrome elk]

alright thx a lot
i'll just practice in M+ then lol

[peak bobcat]

It’s rotation plays very similar so that’s a good idea

[grim jay]

Thats your best gem setup where your gear is

The thing that has +1658 below

Is applied to your gear screen

[sweet sphinx]

ah, thanks, still not used to using raidbots

[grim jay]

The full gear display always shows what simed highest based on the numbers below

[glossy grove]

Whats the build you guys pref for single target rn? is kingsbane more valueable?

[royal lantern]

kb is dead

like, dead dead

[glossy grove]

kk, the only choice is to play with a second deadly poison

[tough gorge]

Dtb has too much synergy.

[royal lantern]

amp poison, but yes

the FaQ has builds

[tough gorge]

Extra poison dmg, more energu from crits, another poison is 2% bonus dmg from another talent etc

[glossy grove]

okay

[chrome elk]

+4% as you get an extra non-lethal poison too

[glossy grove]

okay

[fleet imp]

!logs

[open veldt]

Hey , sorry. Want to learn Assa, which is the more beginner friendly ? DT or KB?
Is there a weakaura which reminds you to use SnD , prolly the bleeds and so ln like the roll the bones WA for outlul?

[subtle tundra]

There is no kb

[open veldt]

Oh no more Kingsbane builds?

[subtle tundra]

Snd is a 1 time use

Yes kb is out of the ecuation

[fathom arch]

I recommend luxthos weakauras

It adapts to your build and will track dots n procs on your target

[buoyant quail]

Kindsbane isnt performing and the DTB is much more user friendly, SnD is reapplied with Mutilate's i believe.

[subtle tundra]

Envenom

[open veldt]

Ah good to know with SnD. Didnt playtested it yet, just read the faq and wowhead a bit

[buoyant quail]

or refreshed should i say

[little light]

extended with envenom

[buoyant quail]

ah thats is apologies

[little light]

but the kb build generally had that talent too, too miserable not playing with it

[open veldt]

Ok good already got this one 🙂

[flint tusk]

KB only had value due to the number of execute talent points

[ashen rover]

KB is dead

[steel geyser]

Thx to cut to the chase talent we get that snd refreshed

[grim jay]

Afenar looks better. Totally objective btw

[little light]

I'm aware we were just talking about snd extension 😛

[open veldt]

Alright. Gonna test Assa later in mythic reclear 😄 Thanks guys 🙂

[open veldt]

It already Sims 7k higher on Patchwerk then my outlaw build without optimizing gear. Weird

[grim jay]

Make that guys face the DTB icon

[ashen rover]

Truuu

[grim jay]

A bit higher, you cut the finger

[ashen rover]

[flint tusk]

Not tracing round the guys face to make it fit perfectly wtf man?

[vestal wren]

^ adding AP to it

[ashen rover]

So based

[grim jay]

The AP icon itself fits so well

Wtf

[grim jay]

That placement is good

[late veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grim jay]

Tho it would be better if mirrored and on the left guy

No ?

[ashen rover]

[vestal wren]

hmm maybe

[flint tusk]

but then the icon is wrong

[grim jay]

Small little Details

[flint tusk]

Me immersion

[visual hemlock]

the things i would give away to put exsanguinate and kingsbane on same spot and you could instead choose between them...

[flint tusk]

?

exsang isn't dead though

[visual hemlock]

no i love a 3min cd

[subtle tundra]

What

Exsang is a bleed thing kb a poison

[visual hemlock]

i love to do 15sec preparation and then use my cds

[grim jay]

So a perfect choice you mean

[subtle tundra]

Not really

Also their power levels is wildly different

[grim jay]

Thats the issue

[royal lantern]

yeha, exsang does dmg, kb not

[flint tusk]

^^^ he speaks the truth and you know it

[azure flare]

Exsang does dmg kb heals dmg

[subtle tundra]

Wat

[grim jay]

People trippin

[visual hemlock]

nothing was as good of feeling as 6 envenoms into kingsbane

i hope blizzard brings it back

[grim jay]

[flint tusk]

hmm 6 envenoms in 12 seconds

do you even play rogue?

[royal lantern]

what has kb to do with envenom

[slim hamlet]

envenom on each 2nd gcd is based

[subtle tundra]

You only care about envenom buff uptime in kb not how many envenom you get

[flint tusk]

you caught yourself like i had to xD

[slim hamlet]

yep

[uncut echo]

Didnt you hear that envenom hits harder during kb

[slim hamlet]

u jebaited me

[subtle tundra]

So uh why does it matter you getting 6 envenoms

[grim jay]

Didnt you talent into mutilate tornado ?

[slim hamlet]

it just does

[azure flare]

Guys not everything said has to be taken super seriously lol

[slim hamlet]

didnt they just remove it in 10.0.5?

[flint tusk]

outlaw imposter

[subtle tundra]

It does I'm an assa warrior

[azure flare]

I wield at least one dagger

[slim hamlet]

smh

[grim jay]

Ass*

[flint tusk]

degrading our weapons of choice to a stat stick

[visual hemlock]

6 envenoms matter because you use 2 shivs during kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

well

[visual hemlock]

and 3 envenoms per shiv is gachi

[flint tusk]

my guy that's not how envenom works

[slim hamlet]

how u get 6 envenoms and 2 shivs in 14 sec

[grim jay]

Or as we call it in germany: Analritter

[slim hamlet]

man look at this spell

Its soo cool and nice and crisp

why they delete it

[grim jay]

You dont force envenoms in shiv/Kb either

You keep up the buff, thats it

[slim hamlet]

You cant tell me what to do

[visual hemlock]

tbh rn it doesnt matter, ill just enjoy new bleed build, couse its so much fun

[normal olive]

shiv = more nature dmg = gotta press envenom 20 times

[slim hamlet]

based

[grim jay]

Nothing wrong with pressing it 20 times

Nothing stops you from clicking/pressing the Button

[normal olive]

clicking?

[flint tusk]

yeh wtf clicking

[slim hamlet]

oh no

dont tell us

[flint tusk]

xD

[normal olive]

can someone tell me why tf my sims tell me to change my gems, i sim again and then suddenly it wants other gems?

[flint tusk]

oh it's ok guys

[normal olive]

i'm losing my mind

[slim hamlet]

saved

[flint tusk]

he pressinh the button

[grim jay]

Shut up

[flint tusk]

😛

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

how much % diffy is it

if its under 0.2% it just switches randomly

[normal olive]

now it says 0.2%

[slim hamlet]

happened for me too

[grim jay]

Btw clicking spells deals more dmg

Jokes on you

[slim hamlet]

i use foot pedals

tramp on the ground

[flint tusk]

racing wheel is where it is at

[royal lantern]

they hated him for speaking the truth

[slim hamlet]

only for dragonriding

[royal lantern]

DK bongo controller

[normal olive]

first sim says the gems do 52 more dmg, then i sim again and then it says they do 128 less

[flint tusk]

naa got a whole flight sim rig for dragon riding

[slim hamlet]

bro

52 is within margain

[royal lantern]

margain of error mate

[grim jay]

www.error.mate

[slim hamlet]

damn

[grim jay]

Try it

[normal olive]

nah we don't do that here

i failed math for a reason

[slim hamlet]

wgat

[grim jay]

Somehow

[slim hamlet]

Man I am about to go to exam tomorrow about wow

I'm scared

[grim jay]

Sin channel is down bad today

[slim hamlet]

"today"

xd

[grim jay]

Worse than usual

[slim hamlet]

I don't even think thats possible

Damn just looked it up and its true

[normal olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9cRhdpuGRvAyL3P6DPqniu

fuck exsang and use trinkets

we don't need them

[visual hemlock]

i think it cant get lowest then sin discord during last tiers of shadowlands

it was so sad here

[ebon notch]

what degen shit are you guys up to while whispyr is asleep

[peak bobcat]

Oh look a warrior player

[slim hamlet]

I didnt even know sin was a spec then

[steel ridge]

ok guys, listen

improvement for assassination dungeon experience

[flint tusk]

delete class

[steel ridge]

make IC count as stealth garrote.

cause fuck chain pulling tanks, thats why

[flint tusk]

if they did that

it would be absolutely nuts and the most fun thing to play

[slim hamlet]

i dont think it would make it op

maybe closer to other spec

[flint tusk]

i tried sin in m+ and chain pulling was the biggest issue and i play night elf so i had some forced restealths

now saying that

sepsis giving instant stealth now

ponders

[steel ridge]

every now and then i have a little spark of ingenuity

[eager kernel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[steel ridge]

i need it now

it wouldnt add or minimal damage output but its a huge QoL improvement

[sour hinge]

anyone notice sin damage like 10-20% lower without kingsbane in m+?

[limber lion]

It's not lol

[subtle tundra]

I'm not getting baited

I'm not getting baited

[normal olive]

how could they delete sin in m+

[azure flare]

Demolished

[rain mortar]

I’m looking to start playing some sin in m+ for fun. Is the m+ opener on the FAQ correct for the build we are playing? It doesn’t show us using carnage prepull in stealth so when is the right time?

[royal lantern]

you use it before you start

[rain mortar]

Okay so every time it’s up you would ideally use it in stealth right before pull? You also then obviously don’t need to spread garrotes right because it does it for you

[royal lantern]

yes

[rain mortar]

Kk Ty

[royal lantern]

you want boosted garrotes for IC

[rain mortar]

If carnage isn’t us that’s when I would spread 3 garrotes

Up*

[royal lantern]

yep

[steel ridge]

yes

[royal lantern]

what....?

[rain mortar]

Ez pz got it

[steel ridge]

thats exactly what sin needs

not a dead button in bossfights

no restealth chainpulling issues

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you cant re-stealth and vanish is on cd, just use IC anyway

[quasi pine]

I hate this, too hard to sync with random tanks

[steel ridge]

yeah sure, but you are still on a big disadvantage

[quasi pine]

vanish carnage deathmark is satisfying to do

[steel ridge]

next time i see realz here in the channel, i´ll pin that on his mind

[subtle tundra]

It's OK cause even if we get constant restealths outlaw and sub are much better

[royal lantern]

i have a fix

let IC spread DM

[steel ridge]

wowoowow lets not get ahead of ourselves right

[quasi pine]

WOW

Instant best class in m+

[thorn crater]

yo mr talent tree savant

do u also play sub?

[subtle tundra]

The only reason it would be op is the silence

The dmg wouldn't be op

[slim hamlet]

yes

[spare bobcat]

WTF happened to assassination? We're in line with BM hunters in mythic raiding now 😦

tell me the patch brings us up a little bit?

[slim hamlet]

wat

chatter

[slim hamlet]

my man

what a beast

[thorn crater]

dming u

[slim hamlet]

looking at overall parses to detemine viability

holy

[flint tusk]

i'm not even going to reply to that

Pepega perspective

[subtle tundra]

I mean

That's still a good thing to think about

Assa is actually bad

Or at least not good

[spare bobcat]

Almost the last spec in the game you'd want to take

[subtle tundra]

By any metric

Nerfed cause of week 1 parses is funny

[slim hamlet]

my man

once again

u do realise a spec that does shit aoe and only st

will NEVER be close to looking good in overall parses right

[spare bobcat]

What I realize is that this isn't a ST raid. So overall matters a lot more than you're giving it credit for.

[flint tusk]

If you wanna be a detail damage meter padder just play the FOTM class

[normal kite]

it all depends on what type of damage profiles are needed in your comp anyways

[flint tusk]

1million times this

[spare bobcat]

If you're going to be really bad at AOE/cleave, you need to be the best at ST and we aren't that either.

[chrome elk]

we pretty much are though right ?

[flint tusk]

jesus christ you're a lost cause

[chrome elk]

tied in top 3 with 2 other specs

[subtle tundra]

We aren't really

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

tbf, i think most people realise that, and want the "only st" part gone

[slim hamlet]

we are top 3

i believe that is pretty good

[spare bobcat]

Nope

[flint tusk]

shut the computer down and come back another day.
clearly trigger by something as you're not thinking rationally at all

[slim hamlet]

alright u are lost

[subtle tundra]

Stop looking at dmg done to bosses overall

[slim hamlet]

its alright

[subtle tundra]

Holy shit

Look at terros

Mythic

[slim hamlet]

Terros also a scam because of kill timer

but at least better

[subtle tundra]

Kill timer is like 5 min

We aren't week 2 gear anymore

[spare bobcat]

STAHP looking at all the data, just look at this cherry picked fight that represents 15% of the raid

[flint tusk]

"don't use your raid wide data. use my very specific boss"

[subtle tundra]

Buddy do you know what looking at boss dmg overall means

It means looking at droodkeeper and dathea

With people doing 0 boss dmh

On the aoe specs

[subtle tundra]

And comparing to assa who sits on boss

[slim hamlet]

bruh

u are actually so dumb

mother of god

u cant be taught

[flint tusk]

Varas having his daily meld down it seems

[slim hamlet]

Its unbelievable to me

[flint tusk]

guess sin doesn't do any other bosses than those two

[slim hamlet]

u come in here and ask something

[royal lantern]

wanna share some popcorn

[subtle tundra]

I have time to type during sets

[slim hamlet]

and then only take whatever u think is right

[flint tusk]

Now this is the biggest joke

[spare bobcat]

Does that argument ever actually work for you in a debate of any sort?

[slim hamlet]

[subtle tundra]

I'm almost finished though and going home to ignore this channel

[marble hemlock]

Sure, but there might be a hole at the bottom of the bucket

[slim hamlet]

gl in your adventures sport

so tell me this

in the boss dmg log

u see aff at the top

Do you think aff is highest simming st dps? @spare bobcat

[spare bobcat]

Guess those adds don't need to die then and it's just padding right?

[neon burrow]

This place is lovely this morning...

[marble hemlock]

Just saying but like, this isn't a debate. It's a shit flinging Contest

[subtle tundra]

Clearly you don't understand how a fair comparison would look

[spare bobcat]

Strawman detected. Avoiding defending position I didn't take.

[slim hamlet]

wat

[drifting cloud]

Varas why you get baited by people that dont raid mythic

[slim hamlet]

Answer the question

do you believe

aff lock is highest simming st dps

[subtle tundra]

it's gym fun time.......

[spare bobcat]

Who sims the highest ST dps is not the topic

[marble hemlock]

If you wanna compare st, then clicking on "damage to bosses" which makes those who are assigned to AOE/not hit the boss show lower.

[slim hamlet]

bruh

im dead

[marble hemlock]

Is kinda stupid

[slim hamlet]

good luck

[uncut echo]

Perhaps don't be a dick towards people who don't understand the point you're trying to make

[marble hemlock]

The entire argument was 'some classes are good at both, we aren't, and we're not even top st either", which we aren't

[uncut echo]

Lukewarm take

[marble hemlock]

Whether you look at terros specifically, overall boss DPS or sims, assassination is not a top st DPS. Still a good one, but like, not even top3-5

[spare bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-yes-gif-22100700

[neon burrow]

On another note, what build is everyone using for Dathea given its a weird mix of ST and burst AOE?

[chrome elk]

ive been told to play sub lmao

[slim hamlet]

if its comment to me, i really damn tried

He is unteachable

[neon burrow]

Haha I've been thinking that too

[spare bobcat]

That seems to be the answer

[raven hawk]

ya its play sub or outlaw

[spare bobcat]

At least we can use our daggers still

[neon burrow]

I tried an IC DTB build and it was OK

[ebon notch]

@drifting cloud what happened bro i missed the sauce

[thorny cloak]

i was really pumped about arterial precision -and shiv being AOE- but i'm disappointed.

[uncut echo]

If you're resorting to being an ass because they're not understanding you, step away lmao

[magic eagle]

How easy is sub compared to outlaw / assn

[ebon notch]

what else is new

[subtle tundra]

Buddy I am ass rogue your point is?

[slim hamlet]

This was his message not mine

can we agree 🙂

good

[neon burrow]

It seems good in burst scenarios, but I'm confused why the recommended build doesn't take two charges of shiv. Basically cuts the super bleed window in half

[uncut echo]

No, we can't. They're obviously not trying to have a constructive conversation. You just look like a dipshit for engaging them.

[subtle tundra]

I legit am a dipshit tho

[slim hamlet]

huh

[marble hemlock]

He's not wrong

[uncut echo]

Bb ur perf

[neon burrow]

So...if he's being difficult just let it be? It's the internet.

[uncut echo]

They go away if they don't get attention.

[ebon notch]

the trick with varas

is to let him run into a brick wall on his own

and then just call him an idiot on the sidelines

[thorny cloak]

I was at first pleased by the synergy between the double shiv charge and the +500% damage...But...ha well. it is what it is.

[slim hamlet]

yea but I can god damn tell them they're stupid if they make fun of the right answer 🙂

[subtle tundra]

Want me to tell you my shadow dance rotation

[marble hemlock]

That's the problem though. If you just ignore/let them be, then the stupid/dense people shouting things into the void will look like they are the ones who are correct

[subtle tundra]

No tfd never played with it

[slim hamlet]

[marble hemlock]

The problem is that you gotta find a balance

[spare bobcat]

There isn't much to talk about. I'm wanting to talk about our performance in mythic raiding. You want to talk about ST fights and only the boss damage. As if the other damage doesn't matter. It does matter. The non boss mobs MUST be killed and often times more quickly than the boss.

[slim hamlet]

Yea refer to my first message

[uncut echo]

That makes you a shit contributor to a forum discussing class tuning

[ebon notch]

assa kinda pumps in this raid tbh

not as good as some specs but

[marble hemlock]

We don't want misinformation being spread, but it's also difficult to stop it from happening unless you engage every crazy nimrod

[ebon notch]

it definitely has a place

[neon burrow]

Well. Have fun ASSn chat. See you when you calm down

[slim hamlet]

unlucky i guess

[ebon notch]

there's a lot of bosses were sitting on boss is a viable strat

[slim hamlet]

Next time I'll let people who have no idea what they talk about simply tell everyone the spec is dogshit

[subtle tundra]

I fully expect assa buffs soon

[flint tusk]

WTB 100% poison bomb procs

[marble hemlock]

I'd rather you sit on my face

[slim hamlet]

where do you get this amount of cope

[wild storm]

goodmorning roogs.
Is our rotation still the same as before or have things changed since DF release?

[subtle tundra]

I stopped drinking and now cope in other ways

[marble hemlock]

He's been an assa main for too long

[ebon notch]

[slim hamlet]

same

[wild storm]

thx 🙂

[slim hamlet]

Smart

Can't wait for them to make exsang a fun cd 🙂

[flint tusk]

now started drinking alcohol free stuff instead

5Head play

[slim hamlet]

I have read that message 5 times now and I still dont understand it

ahhh

alcohol free

makes sence

[flint tusk]

[ebon notch]

gotta get placebo wasted

[flint tusk]

exactly!

stops your wow button smashing performance from dropping while feeling like it should be.

[subtle tundra]

Maybe drugs

[flint tusk]

backwards brain science bullshit style

[ebon notch]

you do too many drugs

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-stewie-griffin-stewie-flex-gif-21484920

^
Varas

[ebon notch]

yeah not those kinds of drugs

[slim hamlet]

Varas wouldnt even fit on the screen by the sheer amount of muscle mass

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao it’s not happening brother sorry to be the bearer of bad news

[slim hamlet]

Let him cope

He don't have much left

[uncut echo]

Rogues are completely fine, why in the world would you want buffs

[slim hamlet]

he didnt say rogue

he said sin

[marble hemlock]

This ain't muscle mass

[slim hamlet]

oh

bait

😦

[gusty mirage]

Because you touch yourself at night

[slim hamlet]

so toxic

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

Not hard when you're this hot

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

Wym bait

[gusty mirage]

I don’t want to be at work rn

[uncut echo]

All three specs are completely reasonable

[slim hamlet]

simply leave

[marble hemlock]

Sub is definitely not reasonable

[ebon notch]

ESCAPE THE PREMISES

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-the-dark-knight-here-we-go-the-joker-gif-15343519

[ebon notch]

sub is unreasonable because everything else got nerfed

[flint tusk]

i can mirror that. looking at GPUs and reading this chat

[ebon notch]

but its still reasonable

[gusty mirage]

I just want kingsbane back in it’s old spot

[flint tusk]

nooooo

leave it where it is and buff it 😄

[gusty mirage]

It’s not getting buffed anytime soon

[eternal vortex]

seen the DTB m+ build in faq. does flying daggers not worth the point against the 1 point in improved poisons?

[ebon notch]

i think the move was good tbh

[flint tusk]

let me have my cop

[ebon notch]

but they should be competitive

to encourage different playstyles

[gusty mirage]

👮

[slim hamlet]

not when simmin dungeon slice at least

[ebon notch]

i miss zoldyck and blindside tho

[slim hamlet]

blindside is the biggest sadness to not have

[marble hemlock]

New builds suck compared to the old ones. Change my mind

[gusty mirage]

I miss when our talent trees weren’t terrible, oh wait

[flint tusk]

fact

[slim hamlet]

fact

[royal lantern]

🐖

[peak bobcat]

He’s back

[flint tusk]

i don't know why they didn't leave these sorts of changes for when they remake exsang. as it will never fit where it is currently

[gusty mirage]

Yes my son? I found the cigarettes, sorry it took me so long

[slim hamlet]

no one does

[flint tusk]

AP to where exsang is
and make exsang a capstone in a new form

[peak bobcat]

They should make Crimson tempest exsang rupture

More exsang

[gusty mirage]

They should just give me a reason to quit wow forever

[flint tusk]

Exsang "speed up all bleeds within 15 yards"

[slim hamlet]

they should honestly make exsang our main builder

[flint tusk]

now THAT would be strong

[hardy dagger]

Gonna miss blindside and kb bigtime in m+

[gusty mirage]

They should make exsang my dad

[proper solstice]

Hello. IS it possible to make Dispatch work if you only got 5+ combos? A macro?

[gusty mirage]

He’s the strongest person I know

[royal lantern]

wrong channel, no yahtzee pirates here

[peak bobcat]

They should make the bleeds have the same duration as the cooldown

[royal lantern]

and no

[hardy dagger]

Oh ait who im i kidding im just gonna play sub

[royal lantern]

you cant make macros like that

[flint tusk]

it's basically botting

[peak bobcat]

I’m going to play assas on every boss now and never target anything but the boss

[uncut echo]

As you should

[peak bobcat]

Ethical dps only

[royal lantern]

[flint tusk]

i've already told my RL i'll be doing that xD
maybe a bonespike on big adds

[royal lantern]

doing adds is padding

[flint tusk]

doing the bonespike makes all the other melee go "Ooooo flashy thing, me go dis way"

[peak bobcat]

All other melee classes only pad

[uncut echo]

Idk man. Being top 5 in most scenarios of players in this channel is still VERY okay

Rogues literally cannot die and have one of the best immunities in the game

[flint tusk]

i will say people seriously don't give feint enough credit either

it's OP af on a lot of mechanics

[uncut echo]

It's literally busted as fuck

Cheat + feint + vanish + L + ratio + bozo

[chrome elk]

shadow cloak is the ratio

[flint tusk]

cheat death just saves me from my own risky stupidity

"Just one more ability!"

[uncut echo]

True

Real men get 99s with cheat on CD

[flint tusk]

or rather it's made me way more risky

[normal kite]

i mean if you talent into it, might as well get some value out of it

[wild storm]

wish SBS was higher DPS to take for aoe. I loved playing with that ability.

i guess we don't take it cause you would have to go doomblade huh?

[flint tusk]

i do love facetanking something. warriors etc standing next to me as if i'm safe.
i'm just there chuckling to myself

[tame agate]

first time trying DTB this expac, is it amp+deadly?

[versed canopy]

!logs

[indigo pollen]

you fr?

[slim hamlet]

no

[royal lantern]

amp+deadly

people are trolling

[indigo pollen]

fixin to say

[flint tusk]

Anything a circle says take with a pinch of salt

plus while whispyr is away

FAQ!!!!!!

Ok i think i've done him justice

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire finally got one?

[rain mortar]

In m+ AoE playing DTR is this an acceptable opener? IC > garrote > garrote > garrote (all same target) > rupture > FoK > CT > xang > DM? Then normal rotation? Or am I missing some stuff?

I figured maybe just one garote > FoK > rupture > FoK > CT > xang > DM might be the way to go too. Not sure.

[slim drift]

I'm doing IC tab target tripple garrote but still figuring out what's best

(I can fit in 3 empowered at my haste)

After the IC garrote

[rain mortar]

Yeah I mean since IC gets the empowered garote on 8 right away wasn’t sure if I needed to fit more garrotes in or if k should just rush to get to xang / DM quick

[slim drift]

Garrote seems to account for a ton of your damage so it's nice to maximize the duration+Iron wire on multiple targets, but it's hard to evaluate

[indigo pollen]

is triple garrote explained anywhere

[slim drift]

#assassination-faq message

[rain mortar]

I’m the faq kind of. Seems like main reason you do it is 1) you get instant ticks when you reapply and it maximized up time on empowered garote

[indigo pollen]

didn't realize st dtb opener changed as much

[slim hamlet]

huh

[royal lantern]

its the same opener....?

[chrome elk]

u mean exsang/no exsang ?

[indigo pollen]

yeah

never played exsang

[thorn fjord]

double your pleasure double the fun

[versed canopy]

I love double poisons

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/wrigleys-doublemint-gif-9818549

[burnt grotto]

For newbes like me, it’s different bc of vanish and some refresh of bleed

But not an hard step to handle

[cinder kettle]

Hey guys! Do you know how to hide the visual effect of a blindside proc? You know the two yellow curved bar

[thorn fjord]

I think its in interface... something along the lines of spell interaction

dont remember off the top of my head but its there

[cinder kettle]

Ok it's: Option -> Combat -> Spell Alert Opacity (set to 0%)

thx!

[royal lantern]

how do you DARE not having everything remembered perfectly???

into the bad child corner with you (#outlaw)

[burnt grotto]

Because I’m dark sasuke leaving the village too early so I can’t read (#sub) but I’ll be the best assa soon, dw

[somber hill]

Anyone able to take a look at my logs ?

!logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NVvZfxJcprH9DG2A/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=482\

[ornate valley]

how is whispyr vs fuu spreadsheet?

[indigo pollen]

someone mentioned it last night but DTB does feel energy starved now idk

[gusty mirage]

like which is better?

[brazen zodiac]

[tough gorge]

ST or mythic+ build?

ST is same for me. Mythic+ build lacks blindside which sucks to lose.

[radiant osprey]

hi kingsbane / indiscriminate still best for mythic+ ?

[gray crest]

Dtb /ic

[radiant osprey]

😐

rly

so kingsbane just complete shit now ?

[limber lion]

Correct, you don't play Kingsbane anywhere

[radiant osprey]

okay

and I’m using amplifying/deadly correct ?

[gray crest]

Yep

[radiant osprey]

thanks bbs

[magic vine]

kb is just fine, at a farm upstate

[chilly viper]

1 feet of snow = happy boi

Wanted to share to someone cause hes a good boi

[lofty topaz]

how does the log review work?

[chilly viper]

type !log

[spare bobcat]

!log

[lofty topaz]

!log

[versed canopy]

oh shoot i just realized that. is it going to feel a lot different without those ambush procs?

[indigo pollen]

just did st and yeah it feels kinda worse to play somehow

[dusty zenith]

m+ build seems weak