assassination

[flint tusk]

flaring effect is worth
then yoy get erarnog ring it's 2 lots of free damage

[shrewd night]

I cant tell if you are trolling, but why would my personal sim be of any use to you.

[rain mortar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[minor gate]

better question

how do i add cowl to my sims?

without crafting it

[shrewd night]

Gear compare

[flint tusk]

under the gear compare section

[rigid tartan]

So where is our 10% buff on st to bring us in line with arms warriors now?

[spice spire]

Gear compare or you can add the manual string, gear compare is a bit easier though

[minor gate]

exanguin rework

[rigid tartan]

So next tier at best?

[vestal wren]

can't you just dropoptimizer?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[minor gate]

i know you need to add it to the to your sim code but idk how or what the code is

[kind jacinth]

faq updated ?

[minor gate]

[frigid pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kZ4nXCMdxSAekxtTWBmmsp

83k

[minor gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8d2qzKRBVjZfXeQJNiRhgB

im getting there

[grim jay]

The legendary

10 min sim

[frigid pilot]

Wtf

You lying bitch

[kind jacinth]

10% boss damage reduction 😢

[manic quartz]

as Assa do we use bonespike in single target only if we are about to cap charges?

[grim jay]

Not you

And no u

[frigid pilot]

I know not me

It’s his sim

[fallen moon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7s6hegX7ed3aaktrrqFuAe

[frigid pilot]

He’s a liar

XD

[fallen moon]

i'm confused why is deathmark top 3 dmg in sim

[frigid pilot]

50k sim? Is this bfa?

[spice spire]

You use it as often as possible. It’s a good builder that isn’t a ton of energy

[fallen moon]

look at ilvl

[frigid pilot]

Do some keys and normal heroic lil bro

[fallen moon]

have been but thats not why i posted it

[deft cave]

in raidbots dmg from duped poisons/bleeds are mixed with DM, in details they are spread

[fallen moon]

ah ty

[manic quartz]

ty

[celest holly]

hey, imagine you have 10 sparks. is it the best to use it on all slots for crit/mastery on 418? or should i mix it up with haste on some point?

[left loom]

can it be a thing that without changes in gear but with talents change today dtb with exsang simming 3 k more than without ?

[grim jay]

You should

Brace yourself

[frigid pilot]

S I m

[grim jay]

Not using exsang is a bigger loss now, yes

[versed canopy]

so does it seem the new talent is really not going to be used?

[grim jay]

On council

[versed canopy]

ahhh

[fossil frost]

@balmy condor would u say outlaw MT is easier than assa

[celest holly]

is there a topic for the best sim options? i only find whispyrs spreadsheet

[grim jay]

Elaborate on what you wanna know

[shrewd night]

Raidbots is your sandbox, only your imagination is the limit.

[glass junco]

Why singlet target build says we should play elusiveness and not Cheat?

[shrewd night]

Because its a choicenode and you can choose

[manic quartz]

if I'm in situation that I have refreshed bleeds and deathmark and vanish comes off CD but bleeds arent in pandemic yet, do i still vanish and override garrote with imp garrote from stealth regardless if im in pandemic or not?

[glass junco]

I would expect the default choice to be cheat death

[shrewd night]

Welp.

[celest holly]

i really like m+. so is the dungeonslice the way to go without bl ? or is it bad in general and i have to sim me only on patchwerk 5minutes?

[grim jay]

Its personal pref

[grim jay]

Just sim dungeonslice the way it is set up

[celest holly]

and for raiding? which min. timer is the best to line up with my cd´s ?

and thanks davyn so far 🙂

[grim jay]

Tbh you can sim whatever length for patchwerk. I exclusively sim 5 min for my gearchoices

[shrewd night]

Unless you are simming some omega-specific, which I suspect you are not, jut use default values

[grim jay]

Yeah, just stick to the default. The only thing I change is windfury totem sometimes

But its unnecessary to do so for general purpose sims

[olive linden]

!WHYSPYR

!whyspr

[grim jay]

!weissbier

[pure cape]

Is grieftorch bugged atm? full channel on target dummy doing 77k when tooltip is saying it should be doing 200k~

[vast goblet]

Just did a full channel of it. Did 350k on hc with some crits.

[pure cape]

On 1 target? or multiple?

[slim hamlet]

sounds like a skill issue

[grim jay]

!whispyr it is

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pure cape]

@slim hamlet

[vast goblet]

1

[frigid pilot]

i hate putting macros for classes in the general tab

but it seems i gotto do that for exsang

[grim jay]

[pure cape]

@vast goblet aite thanks for checking, I'll play around and see, this is what I got 3x in a row basically on ST dummy

https://i.gyazo.com/0d5dad5e2ea15fd1908e065227a95ec7.png

[vast goblet]

PvP dummy maybe?

[drifting cloud]

probably

[pure cape]

it is ye, I was using it on that dummy before and was doing what it normally should.. may have changed smth idk, but that answers it ty!

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/molorant-rich-ckaz-money-gif-22223824

[minor gate]

just realised i forgot to change that

that was for sylvannas

[minor gate]

2 flavor pockets = 1 overwatch skin

[supple topaz]

We still running single capstone in Raid?

[grim jay]

We still checking pins for new information

[modest glen]

Do we run the arterial build in faq for council or make some changes to it?

[shrewd night]

Did you uh

Read pin?

[minor gate]

asking this because it looks like blizzard is taking steps to do so but do you guys think that sin will ever become a reliable spec in mythic+ and what do you think it needs to get there?

[shrewd night]

It isnt reliable?

[minor gate]

reliable is the wrong word

best spec

[regal yarrow]

no

but if they would move AP to a useful spot on tree it could be a great contender

[grim jay]

🔮

Didnt use those for some time

[sinful island]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[minor gate]

the "ponder orb" emoji ?

[worthy moth]

can u dm me

ive heard assassination is better now since the 80% outlaw nerf

[shrewd night]

80%

[spice spire]

This can’t be real

[shrewd night]

[royal lantern]

i heared it was 82% even!

[worthy moth]

they destroyed us by taking my fucking 1 cb on pistol

now we have to play enh shaman

[shrewd night]

If you are just here to troll I can put you on a plane to Mallorca.

[worthy moth]

i am not trolling

[shrewd night]

Uhuh.

[worthy moth]

im serious.

[grim jay]

Thats alarming

[spice spire]

[frigid pilot]

imagine playing outlaw in 2023

couldnt be me

[verbal mantle]

• sin channel
• outlaw is fine
• pls stop trolling

[worthy moth]

is this real

[grim jay]

Imagine overreacting bcs of a smol nerf

[worthy moth]

fine then.

new rule is people cant make jokes

[shrewd night]

Thank you, have a good day.

[worthy moth]

i apologise.

[winter gale]

Its ok to remove Master Poisoner + Blackjack for Gauge+Tricks in bleed DTB build?

[spice spire]

The shien goodbye

[frigid pilot]

imagine thinking i'm serious

[verbal mantle]

ye sorry, it's just the 186th time of the day already

[shrewd night]

The last thing they see before dadsen visits

If you know, you know

[worthy moth]

its just a meme on outlaw community

[spice spire]

Dudes are actually serious about it, it’s better to not perpetuate

[worthy moth]

since the nerf is pathetic small

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

Oh no, quake hasnt seen it

[grim jay]

I would be if i said that

[sweet sphinx]

so is buzzing rune better than sharpening stone?

[spice spire]

I’ve not

[spice spire]

That’s a sim question, but most of the time yes

[winter gale]

Anyone?

[spice spire]

I can’t unsee it

[spice spire]

Depends on what you mean by okay

Can you? Yes. Is it optimal? No

[sweet sphinx]

thanks!

[winter gale]

Not losing anything down there

Ok

[vestal cliff]

What race you guys play?

[spice spire]

It doesn’t matter too much, I play blood elf because mog

[shrewd night]

I play tauren, but have a pretty high consumation of fish

[keen elbow]

is assa better now in mm+ guys ?

[shrewd night]

@verbal mantle This is your people

[verbal mantle]

night elf because it is extremely based

[grim jay]

I would have a pretty high intake of harming substances if I had to look at a tauren all the time

[shrewd night]

Thats why I eat so much fish

[vestal cliff]

Nice

I play human because im a basic bitch XD

[verbal mantle]

human good

[grim jay]

Hopefully surströmming atleast

[shrewd night]

[vestal cliff]

Every set looks good on humans

Thats a big plus

[lusty surge]

Noggenfogger master race

[thorn crater]

bruh

how do u stay alive in teh mage t ower

[subtle tundra]

you do damage

you press vial

you dodge

youre welcome

[grim jay]

But fr

[subtle tundra]

$5

[grim jay]

The first step

[thorn crater]

i read the guide (head started hurting)

[grim jay]

Is looking at the pins

[thorn crater]

watched the vid

nono i went through the wowhead post

[shrewd night]

[thorn crater]

but i dont understand what keeps healing him up

[grim jay]

[gleaming geyser]

legendary pants and spam feint

oops wrong mt

[grim jay]

I'd love to watch the video

But I'm still at work

[royal lantern]

basic bitch is female belf

not human lmao

[spice spire]

@ me

[stuck knoll]

If you’re alliance it’s human

[royal lantern]

no, female nelf lmao

[spice spire]

[stuck knoll]

[spice spire]

Man hates elves

[royal lantern]

yes

🙂

DnD player and stuff

[spice spire]

that’s uh

Unsure about that one chief

[indigo epoch]

Man 4 set feels so spicy on m+, finally got mine. I dont care if assasination isnt the goto spec... its fun to play.

And... unpopular opinion... i dont miss KB as much as i thought i would.

[spice spire]

Real

[uncut echo]

I got 4pc last night and 2 402 daggers

[dark bridge]

I miss venom Rush

[uncut echo]

We're cooking with gas now gents

[lusty surge]

Nice la

[indigo epoch]

Awesome

[lusty surge]

Yea sin is fun as hell in keys

[royal lantern]

its the best version of assa we had since m+ is a thing

[lusty surge]

Easily

[royal lantern]

cus it feels like we have actually tools for m+

[lusty surge]

IC carries so hard lol

[uncut echo]

I'm crying in excitement being back on rogue

Killing myself with momentum in 23s was not the vibe

[royal lantern]

tbh

[lusty surge]

I'm gonna miss KB a lot though lol

[royal lantern]

thats a big skillissue

[tough gorge]

The AoE silence is underappreciated.

Especially when you know you need it.

[lusty surge]

Did a 20 AA before reset and KB on crawth vulnerability phase was the truth

[royal lantern]

less underappreciated, more "other classes bring aoe cc aswell, and the other rogue specs do more dmg"

[tough gorge]

Some classes bring it, not most.

[royal lantern]

like, aoe silence loses some value when your healer evoker alone has 3 forms of aoe cc

[uncut echo]

COS has some dumpstercan pulls that are easy for non dhs to body

Azure as well

[grim jay]

Cant think of any

Tbf

[spice spire]

Too bad we’re arms mains now

Unlucky

[uncut echo]

Oh baby I'm swapping

Between you and me

We make 1 fury warrior

[lusty surge]

Gotta play the other exsang class huh

[spice spire]

One two handed each class big

[spice spire]

Skull splitter deadge

[gusty mirage]

Their exsang was better anyway

[spice spire]

We’re IP spamming now

[gusty mirage]

Okay guys what did I miss I was shoveling snow

[spice spire]

Nothing of importance

[uncut echo]

Did u actually go warrior

After giving me shit for going dh

[gusty mirage]

It never is, eh?

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Me IP spam after avatar

[lean fossil]

when you cast exsang you want to wait for rupture and garrote to fully fall off before reapply them correct?

[royal lantern]

whisp trolling people by putting elusivness instead of CD as the talent in the FaQ builds

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[lean fossil]

ty

[lusty surge]

Actually got me killed on the world boss

[manic cairn]

how big guys?

[lusty surge]

Pretty good

[manic cairn]

with cowl

[gusty mirage]

My existing trees automatically picked elusiveness too

[spice spire]

Massive

[gusty mirage]

Very strange

[sour remnant]

No socket? Its trash

[thorn crater]

ye it does it on every build i think

every build i try to import is the same

[royal lantern]

smh, blizz AND whisp expect us to play good

[thorn crater]

even presaved ones

[royal lantern]

instead of crutching on CD

[fervent fog]

i hate you 😄

[gusty mirage]

I legit ran it for 3 bosses before realizing

[manic cairn]

😦 xd

[fervent fog]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

Man these role icons aged poorly, eh? @shrewd night

[spice spire]

We’re all DTB gamers now

[gusty mirage]

No not cute

Fuck you

[fervent fog]

going kb icon to pay respect

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

[royal lantern]

its his coping mechanism

[shrewd night]

[keen spruce]

6am unicorn pugs

[storm onyx]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[keen spruce]

0 deaths

[fervent fog]

GFG

[keen spruce]

i joined last to the message in party chat "fuck it"

[shut owl]

lol

[keen spruce]

then we proceeded to die 34 times to imps on the 21 court cuz we had no AoE stops

[shut owl]

shoulda been sin 😛

[keen spruce]

in hindsight

yes

also i forgot i was playing outlaw

before i posted in here

apologies

[shut owl]

dreadful

[gusty mirage]

Not forgiven, you’re dead to me now

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

jk ily

[spice spire]

I don’t

Outlaw rogues are Opponents

Ain’t ever met an outlaw I liked in my life

[wary ice]

Sheriff quake over here

[urban mantle]

Why do I fell sin is doing a worst performance in Mythic Plus then Kingsbane+IC?

[spice spire]

Isn’t that right fellow assassination OTP @midnight mist

[midnight mist]

yes for sure pressing shiv rn

[urban mantle]

But with shiv wer doing bad dmg for bosses

[midnight mist]

I was in the middle of applying rupture to all my targets not sure why I got pinged

[vestal wren]

somehow not playing IC

[midnight mist]

sorry Im rather old school

Since Ive been maining sin for 15+ years now, these zoomers spells are a bit beyond me

[urban mantle]

now we have to choose between good AoE with poor single or average AoE with average single. Isn't worst the new talents tree?

[spice spire]

Understandable, I hope you’ve a good day mister Zac. Sorry for the ping

[midnight mist]

all good brother I will get back to garotting my ennemies

[spice spire]

God bless brother

[gusty mirage]

Okay seli calm down

[wild lantern]

I'm the other half of your brain

We share the braincell

[gusty mirage]

Jez

[wild lantern]

Oxi

[gusty mirage]

Go do some work or whatever it is the state pays you for

[wild lantern]

I'm literally leaving as we speak

[gusty mirage]

Wow you’re actually doing work

I’m shocked

[wild lantern]

wow

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Tell him he’s wrong, Jez

[grim jay]

There is one build, nothing to choose. It does about the same as before

[spice spire]

I’ve seen the noon memes you send

[gusty mirage]

Considering dtb was better ST than kb/ic this is a weird way of looking at things

[wild lantern]

Slandered in sin at 10am

[vestal cliff]

Hey guys quick question if i Turn a item into tierset with the catalyst can i upgrade it afterwards?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Keeps speed/avoidance/leech as well

[urban mantle]

So. The shiev build isnt better then

[vestal cliff]

Very nice ty

[gusty mirage]

No the shiv build is awful

Don’t play it

[grim jay]

Pins

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

You’ll do tank damage on bosses to still do less aoe than everyone else

[gusty mirage]

[urban mantle]

nice. So, can u tell me if using envenom for AoE is a good thing if i have all fourth pieces of tier

[gusty mirage]

You essentially just use envenom to refresh slice and dice in aoe

Better off slamming crimson tempest

[urban mantle]

Got it. Thanks for helping

[gusty mirage]

[magic vine]

shiv st is simming better than old kb 😄

(its because you can also get dtb, so its really trading shiv for something on the right side iirc)

[pine ore]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[desert musk]

At how many targets? Faq says 6 I think but this sounds like less than that?

[royal lantern]

he said old school, not acient

im convinced seli doesnt like any game that came out after 2004

hence why he plays wow

[severe sedge]

Why does the faq recomend kingsbane, and then as i check build it sais raid unplayable?

[feral rivet]

cause the builds changed with this patch

[magic vine]

patch was yesterday, not everythings been updated yet

[feral rivet]

builds are updated, the text is obviously not

[magic vine]

pins have info about whats current

[grim jay]

Gotta kick whispyrs ass to work harder considering he gets 0 money for it

[shrewd night]

cant wait for a fuse to blow and he pulls an azor

[grim jay]

Wdym

[shrewd night]

Put everything behind a paywall

If you aint subbed to patreon, you dont get the most recent hunter sims from azor

[near magnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grim jay]

Lets establish onlysims so we get a share

[upbeat needle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shrewd night]

Onlysims - Cat ears, mimosas and the most recent sims for only $9.99

[fiery folio]

For m+

what do you guys go now ? highkeys around 20-21

[ebon notch]

[fiery folio]

AP+IC or DTB/KB + IC

[versed canopy]

So, looks like with the talent changes, there were some points moved from the left side of the tree to the right side of the tree for the DTB build?

[grim jay]

With the talent changes we decided to make a pin so people stay up to date

[shrewd night]

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/keAuQg4Kiyu58ns2dBEaSo

[grim jay]

Pins answer your question. But because I like the fact, AP dead basically, except for council

[subtle tundra]

bro sims 10k more than me

the fk

[keen spruce]

vers gems?

what a time to be alive

smells like an outlaw player

[ebon notch]

when you play all 3 specs vers is juicy

[keen spruce]

does sub like vers?

i haven't really touched it this xpac

[ebon notch]

it doesnt dislike it

its just that mastery is more useful

[keen spruce]

fair enough

[ebon notch]

but survivability is always nice

[keen spruce]

big true

[ebon notch]

my sim didnt actually want to replace the vers? thats weird

i try fix

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b2E5ZKc4FMpxSjBQLCcbSu

i made it to the 80k club finally

could be a little higher but i refuse to equip a puzzle box or use exang

[boreal glacier]

is it me or does it feel like sin have 0 energy regen in this patch ?

[keen spruce]

depends on ambush procs

but there's certainly valleys

during longer fights

that's why we hae tea

[ebon notch]

you use tea for the rough spots

[slim drift]

Is there a way to see how much damage iron wire prevented in details?

[lone creek]

yo am i looking at logs wrong or is flaming cowl better than bronzed grip wrappings even without eranog ring

[brazen zodiac]

getting sparks from dirt piles

baseddd

[lone creek]

comparing myself to rogue in guild and strictly looking at the two damage instances

[versed canopy]

So, the previous DTB took fatal concoction, lightweight shiv,
but now the take exang, bloody mess and improved garrote?

[lone creek]

for reference

[manic haven]

Do we have to use catalyst weekly or can we stack up uses if we don’t have a piece we want to convert this week?

[lone creek]

stacks to 6

[true swift]

With the changes this week is there a good 4 target cleave build for council?

[green juniper]

Started 3 weeks ago to wow, 398 ilvl and around 65k dps iirc.. thanks for helping for everything fellow sins

[upbeat mirage]

You still use the M+ build

[grim jay]

[upbeat mirage]

KB+IC

[dreamy elk]

@versed canopy You mean the old poison build? We pick up the bleed talents because they're better with 4 piece set.

[lone creek]

read this as old person build

which is accurate bc i prefer assass on bosses where they're close bc its so much easier xd

old man fingers

[grim jay]

No

[versed canopy]

makes sense. If i dont have 4 piece yet, i wonder if I should keep the poisons

[dreamy elk]

Could be an old person build; poison didn't run exsan IIRC.

Sim it, but it's probably slightly easier to play than bleed (though bleed is better for AOE as well).

[gray horizon]

I hate this, no matter what I do I cannot sim away these stupid 385 primal storm pieces

this 2 piece bonus is giving me too much secondary stat and it's making it way too hard to replace even with like 402 gear

[keen spruce]

if you have puzzle box

[weary marten]

Hi, I have a problem. I cant perform good on raid... anyone can help me watching the logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HvGYkctJha3jznKM#fight=4&type=damage-done

How can I improve?

[gray horizon]

Doppler?

[modern dust]

How do you even finish the first boss in Mage tower as assa 😄

cant get enough leech

[dreamy elk]

@keen spruce You're saying that you need both 4 piece and puzzle box to make bleed better?

[weary marten]

yes sorry

im doppler

[keen spruce]

for my gear yes

[dreamy elk]

Ah, gotcha.

[gilded oasis]

Do a !log with your logs for review

[keen spruce]

they run pretty close if you don't have puzzle box

[gray horizon]

your opener is scuffed, like super scuffed

[weary marten]

I tried almost everything.. i think that the problem is the rotation

[weary marten]

Ok do you have some recommendation?

[gray horizon]

Do that instead and you'll be off to a really good start

[keen spruce]

and do that as soon as the boss is pulled

[weary marten]

whats the point on doing this?

[gray horizon]

makes rupture last longer

[keen spruce]

first rupture is only 1cp

[weary marten]

oh, nice

[gray horizon]

It makes your charged CP's line up better

[keen spruce]

echo reprimand gives you a charged cp

[versed canopy]

get that pandemic refresh

[keen spruce]

2nd rupture is full duration

[gray horizon]

and you get huge dmg for exsang/deathmark

[weary marten]

thanks guys! it really helps

[gray horizon]

as far as rotation goes, do you use a WA pack to track your dots?

[weary marten]

yes, i use weakauras

[gray horizon]

kk so the rotation is super easy, just refresh your dots whenever they start glowing, use ambush whenever it procs and you won't overcap CP, and dump the rest into envenom

[severe knoll]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[weary marten]

Nice, i didnt know that ambush procs.. or do you mean on cooldown?

[gray horizon]

so the Blindside talent makes it so you can gets procs where you can use Ambush for free and outside of stealth

[weary marten]

oh nice thanks

[gray horizon]

so you want to make sure you have a keybind for it that's outside of stealth so you can use that as your builder instead of mutilate whenever it procs

[weary marten]

I see

[gray horizon]

it'll proc almost constantly when boss is in execute (less than 35% hp)

[weary marten]

I will try this! thanks guys 🙂

[gray horizon]

you have 18 casts of ambush though so you're already doing that

[dapper anvil]

new talent tree for DTB?

[gray horizon]

also use Shiv more

[severe knoll]

Is there a cap to how much crit i should get on my gear? I currently have 38% and don't know if I should still be stacking crit

[gray horizon]

pretty much use it off CD

[weary marten]

thanks

[storm onyx]

Go by the sims; there aren’t hard caps anymore. I would stack 80 crit npnp if it still simms the best

[onyx linden]

Seems like you are wasting a lot of combo points as well

there is a string of 6 mut in a row

[weary marten]

i see, im trying to fill all the combo points with mut

[onyx linden]

or is that just the log being weird? the timing says they went off at same time, I dunno

basically finisher at 5 or 6

don't cast a mut at 5 CP

[weary marten]

oh ok

i didnt know that

[nocturne current]

That's a significant DPS gain

[gray horizon]

this right here also sketch. You can use that on the adds that come up, but don't drop all 3 on Eranog

[onyx linden]

I also see some recasts of slice n dice. You should only ever have to cast it once, refresh with envenom

dont let that fall

[weary marten]

ok!

[gray horizon]

for Eggnog I just use bone spike on the big add and literally ignore the little ones

[undone eagle]

with the new changes, does tiny toxic blade deal 500% on all 4 targets with arterial precision??

or is it only 1

[onyx linden]

all 5

[undone eagle]

sheesh, so thats a thing to take on m+ now?

[nocturne current]

No.

[onyx linden]

nah

[undone eagle]

oki

[onyx linden]

seems like it only viable on council

[undone eagle]

i alrdy miss kingsbane

[nocturne current]

It's still there.

[undone eagle]

ik but for m+

[nocturne current]

Why, it sucked.

[vestal wren]

kingsbane, from being slightly ahead of dbt

[onyx linden]

Also, you popped an exsang on a rupture with low current time. You want it to be max duration

[subtle tundra]

no it didnt

it was awesome

[vestal wren]

to being 4-5% behind

[nocturne current]

I only used it because it was the only viable choice with left talent tree

[dapper anvil]

is sepsis now worth to take?

[nocturne current]

No

Unless you need burst damage, same thing for KB

[slim hamlet]

please give sbs legendary in the tree mr. blizzard

[nocturne current]

But I'm pretty sure Tea is bonkers on council over Leth

[gusty lynx]

is poison bomb supposed to do that much dmg?

[onyx linden]

Anyone know the best place to farm an extra spark of ingenuity?

[versed canopy]

cheat death vs elusiveness?

[high mist]

that seems like a really small sample size

[nocturne current]

Depends on what you're doing.. Probably CD 90% of the time

[thorn fjord]

Morning sinners

[rain mortar]

I’m going to play sin tonight in raid F it

[normal mist]

me looking at 4pm

[polar matrix]

is there any shiv logic now? or just send on cd

[high mist]

I only swap to outlaw on Council but we're only on Heroic Raz still

[hollow river]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[hollow river]

Oof

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[gusty mirage]

as you should

[upbeat mirage]

lol, bot still living in shadowlands.

[slim hamlet]

is there some way to make tricks always be used on tank?

I looked for it and all I could find was some wack macro addon combo that didnt work

[ember relic]

Focus target macro

[slim hamlet]

yea cba having focus as tank always

[rain mortar]

We are on mythic senarth - but I don’t have good outlaw weapons so it’s either sin or sub for me. Im going to play sin on Eranog, council, teros, and then senarth prog

[gusty mirage]

there's a WA that auto tricks(es?) the group leader in dungos

[marble hemlock]

If tank has lead you can just ''@reef mango1''

Nice

[rain mortar]

Im nervous about playing sin on council haha

[marble hemlock]

Sorry for ping

[slim hamlet]

what is it called?

[ember relic]

Sin feels a bit energy deprived now

But I only did one run last night

[slim hamlet]

what do you mean?

[nocturne current]

Unless you put tank name instead of @focus I don't think so

[marble hemlock]

Man

I hate discord

[slim hamlet]

KEK

[reef mango]

I'm changing my discord name

[gusty mirage]

put it in quotes

[reef mango]

Onesec

[magic vine]

i found one that was supposed to detect the tank and let you do it via a /click thing but i couldn't get it to work and didn't feel like messing with it

[gusty mirage]

@slap1

[slim hamlet]

do u need anything else?

[marble hemlock]

Cool

[gusty mirage]

or whatever it is youre trying to do

[magic vine]

you can target the person specifically which is what i usually do

[slim hamlet]

Or can u just like macor /cast [@slap1] Tricks?

[marble hemlock]

Still pings

@ party1

[magic vine]

right click them and "copy character name" and stick it in the macro

[marble hemlock]

Without the space

[reef mango]

I changed it, should be good

[slim hamlet]

oh

and that will always be tank?

[nocturne current]

You can also have Macro to tricks the target of target. So if you're targeting boss, tricks that tank whoever's tanking it

[marble hemlock]

Sorry mr slap

[magic vine]

the @ party i always worry about party order shuffling

[marble hemlock]

In dungeons sure if tank has lead

[gusty mirage]

poor slap

[lusty surge]

Can't you enforce party sorting by role

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

I have just been using clique

[marble hemlock]

Which they basically always do

[reef mango]

No worries, it's a recurring issue

[lusty surge]

In basic options

[slim hamlet]

for stuff like that but cba moving cursor that much

[nocturne current]

#showtooltip Tricks of The Trade
/cast [@focus, help, nodead] Tricks of the Trade; [@targettarget, help, nodead] Tricks of the Trade; Tricks of the Trade

Use this and just don't focus

It tricks whoever the boss is being tanked

[slim hamlet]

this is same as just mouseover/clique right

oh wait

targets target

[marble hemlock]

yeah thats err... not good

[slim hamlet]

imagine someone has aggro for one sec and u just put even more aggro on him

[marble hemlock]

if you happen to cast it when they cast at a player for example

you tricks that player

[nocturne current]

Well, then that's you're job to check it.. But there's no magic solution to your problem..

[marble hemlock]

random mob does random cast at random player -> hit tricks -> tricks that player

[odd dew]

Is this the way for M+?

[undone eagle]

I did the storm quest but still 0% on catalyst content

[slim hamlet]

almost

[undone eagle]

???? is it bugged

[magic vine]

yes there is, you set up your macro before you start the run lol

[nocturne current]

Yeah unless you put the tank name in Macro, or the slap, not really a solution

[marble hemlock]

but yeah theres 2 ways to guarantee it

1. just do @tankname and change the macro everytime you have a different tank
2. make sure tank has lead and use @party1

[nocturne current]

y

[magic vine]

yea i just target it at the tank, and change my macro during the pre-start prep time

[nocturne current]

Or just don't play Tricks like me.

[marble hemlock]

yeah, its what i do as well

[magic vine]

don't even need to bother typing people's messed up names these days

[marble hemlock]

2 tricks macros, one for mouseover, one for a playersname which i change to tank every time

cuz there might be situations where you wanna tricks someone other than tank

i.e. tank dies, DH has aggro and starts kiting, you dont wanna over-aggro so just mouseover DH in frames and tricks, stuff like that

[magic vine]

sometimes in raid yea, but generally that'll be a consistent target too

[normal mist]

Só that's why hunters in my party have been MDing me on pull ...

Wait, I'm not even a tank wtf!

I'm being bullied

[nocturne current]

Are there that many situations where people need to Tricks in 2023, let alone TOT different targets? Lol

[normal mist]

Not as many but atleast in my raid group, our bear tank easily steals aggro just by pressing his abilities

(in this case he steals aggro from the other tank)

[dull rivet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[odd dew]

I tricks every pack if its up in M+ and in raid I use it to help my tanks collect adds, or sometimes 1 tank does too much damage and steals threat alot and I throw it on them

[normal mist]

Exactly

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor arterial fun 👍

[meager basalt]

ahh is anyone else having trouble untalenting Unbreakable stride? like i physically cannot unselect it

nvm found some chat about it in the sub channel, what a dumb bug and bad talent to be stuck with lol

[dire steeple]

https://wago.io/n9Sg1NLb5 I just use this

[clear rover]

is assa finally better than outlaw?

[dire steeple]

Always tricks a tank, can change what tank to prio with tricks in custom options

[dark token]

Just clear ur talent tree and remake

[grim jay]

[dark token]

Hit the reset all points button

[dark token]

No

Nothing changed

[royal lantern]

always has been

[grim jay]

[scenic horizon]

Anyone else having the problem of not being able to stealth or vanish?

[bright surge]

restart wow+bnet launcher

[scenic horizon]

Fun. Alright

[grizzled storm]

Rip kingsbane 😥

[nocturne current]

You still use KB if you find external windows to pop it high

[grizzled storm]

What do you mean?

[jolly turtle]

whats the go to st talent build now? if anyone knows ❤️

[summer briar]

iv tested the faq one all day

BMQAIZzTVWTdeIjpELmb7f1T3KNJSCcgElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQBJOQJJkkkkWKJiEkIRiFE

[true swift]

Fair enough

[summer briar]

just from today

[grizzled storm]

Normal and LFR logs xD

[summer briar]

we are doing mythic tonight

[modern dust]

Can someone explain the mage tower Sigryn fight? Should I kill one of the bosses first

[summer briar]

so no logs from this patch

[modern dust]

or just all in on Sigryn?

[slim hamlet]

@dim yacht He beat our lfr build 😦

[jolly turtle]

is there any alternative to exsanguinate without losing dps? xD

[slim hamlet]

I think he cheating

[marble hemlock]

that brightness/contrast

[limpid tusk]

do you use the 2nd exsang on cd or line it up with vanish and deathmark again around 4 min mark?

[marble hemlock]

[slim hamlet]

When stream

I've been watching dogwater all day today

[grizzled storm]

Align it, it's in the FAQ

[spice spire]

Bro I haven’t streamed in weeks chill

[slim hamlet]

There is just nothing

Besides JPC

so nothing

[marble hemlock]

idk

dunno if i wanna stream bird prog today

[slim hamlet]

I'm insanely down bad, been watching twicks vods

[spice spire]

James is a nice guy.
Who’s very good at rogue. No harm in watching James

[quartz willow]

yoo how was assa impacted by talent changes?

[spice spire]

Stream this buddy

[quartz willow]

really interested in the AOE

[slim hamlet]

I have watched my fair share of jpc the guy

[nocturne current]

The sims ain't the encounter design, it's just a mechanic-less rotation without externals, because KB scales in a limited time very high output, if you get like.. let's say the Raszegasth buff for example or anything that increases your output during the KB window, there's going to be times it comes ahead against a sustained build.. almost the same logic for taking execute if you would have a longer duration execute window vs the other 75% of the fight

[summer briar]

i have to test Arterial build on council

[slim hamlet]

But no more

[spice spire]

Pvc the lad?

[slim hamlet]

jpc the boy

[paper pawn]

is the slimy boots better than fang/bronze?

[spice spire]

No but they’re on both sheets

[slim hamlet]

just get cowl and lariat 🙂

[spice spire]

Jpg the boss

[paper pawn]

both sheets?

[spice spire]

!whispyr and !fuu

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shell pollen]

not bad

[slim hamlet]

JLP the chef

[spice spire]

Very nice! Trinket vault

[grizzled storm]

Yeah I thought that's what you meant. Thanks for the detailed response. I'm still going to run KB on my Raz prog for that reason then. Although thinking about switching to Sub 😄

[summer briar]

i made full swap for assasssin today

recrafted all 418s with critt mastery

no box yet : /

[slim hamlet]

still outlaw tmog

smh

[runic basin]

quick question - why Master Poisoner > Tricks?

[slim hamlet]

u get both

Wait

[summer briar]

i have no TMOG game at all

[slim hamlet]

no

[summer briar]

i just put on something

[slim hamlet]

What scenario

if its raid sims I believe the utility in the sim sheets are random as shit

I saw the new talent in one of them and aintnoway at least

[runic basin]

y for raid sims

[slim hamlet]

Yea u just pick what util u need

MP is kinda bait

it does like nothing

but on most tricks also do nothing

[grim jay]

oh no. mastery = crit 421 boots better than biornskin 421 boots from sheet for me, is that a sim yourself situation? does it actually work?

[slim hamlet]

Nah simming yourself never works

only bis sheet

[grim jay]

thought so

gonna pick the biornskin

[slim hamlet]

[slow marsh]

I feel like tricks can at least come in clutch at moments when you need to round up adds for whatever reason but then again that's just tank diffy

[summer briar]

anyone tested 20+ with new changes ?

[slim hamlet]

Yep

Feeling good

[summer briar]

no time until tommorow to do keys

[slim hamlet]

doing st dmg is a new experience

[eager solstice]

still adjusting

[summer briar]

what build u been doing ?

[eager solstice]

st is lower for sure, but aoe seems better not by much tbh

[slim hamlet]

dtb

hanvt tried AP yet

not gonna try it probably 🙂

[olive peak]

guys for second exhang

[summer briar]

yeah was more curiuse about ap

[olive peak]

is it best to keep it for deathmark or use on cd?

[jade abyss]

Faq :)

[olive peak]

faq says one thing and the sim on raidbots does another

[slim hamlet]

keep for 3rd dm unless u lose a cast

[spice spire]

It depends on your fight timer

[olive peak]

raidbots syncs it with deathmark

[spice spire]

So gotta use your noggin

[summer briar]

i had only setpices i already had , and 2 trinkets with same ilevel i had and this in vault

[slim hamlet]

sorry dont know what that means

[spice spire]

checks name and icons

Definitely tracks

[slim hamlet]

[green juniper]

do you guys also losing your poisons when you change instances?

[slim hamlet]

oh god

is it back

dont tell me

[summer briar]

i hate Flaring cowl/chosen combo, its really not outputing the stat loose and the 2 sloots

[green juniper]

only cripple stays :/

[slim hamlet]

I havnt had issue with it yet

[summer briar]

im not sure if its my 408 chosen that make me feel it

[slim hamlet]

but was bug start of expansion with dtb

[summer briar]

somtimes

[spice spire]

Not the DTB bug again

[grim jay]

weird considering dtb was better on ST than kb ic

[paper pawn]

chosen?

[paper pawn]

ah

[summer briar]

24 mill broodkeeper on normal

[slow marsh]

It's so grody we have to use a vers ring

[slim hamlet]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoggyCooperativeScorpionFloof-LErQoG_ERc35kOc8 JPL the guy just confirmed u dont need to think for outlaw

[true swift]

Im thinking of making a lariat purely for raiding as sin now should i make it crit mastery?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[true swift]

Ty

[spice spire]

You don’t have to think for sin either get woke buddy

[slow marsh]

But sim your gems cuz there's a shift to crit haste gems going around

[summer briar]

u can, just reroll stat later if u regret

i rerolled stats today

[slim hamlet]

what do you mean my spec is always the most complicated and hardest to play to perfection

[true swift]

Yh fair point

[slim hamlet]

No matter what I play

[spice spire]

Very true

[grizzled storm]

I guess since amp poison is in the DTB m+ build we gotta fuck around with swapping amp poison/deadly on bosses/trash now

[true swift]

Spent weeks beating myself up on spark usage to get the fire ring in vault

[fossil frost]

where is vendetta on the assasaination talent tree?

[summer briar]

this is the biggest BAIT craft iv done

[spice spire]

[eager solstice]

replace blindside with tiny toxic blade in m+ build?

[fossil frost]

well where is it?

[summer briar]

3 times in a row it failed , even with the "tinker sloot within this device cannot catas fail

[spice spire]

Pins should have what you need, you probably can’t

[dark token]

Are you engineering?

[summer briar]

yeah

[fossil frost]

where do i find t he spell vendetta

[spice spire]

Keep looking, you’ll find it, trust

[dark token]

You need reduced chance of failure trees

[spice spire]

(It doesn’t exist)

[obtuse socket]

Blizz Archives

[fossil frost]

i am new to the game and u need to make comments like that

[spice spire]

Ability got thanos’d for deathmark

[fossil frost]

yea... nice

[summer briar]

working on it

i missplaced a shittoon of points early on

[fossil frost]

you're not a loser i promise u

[summer briar]

13 points

[spice spire]

It’s patch day and there are a ton of trolls tbf.
Where would you even look to see vendetta? Hasn’t existed since df prepatch started

[fossil frost]

how the fuck

am i supposed 2 know that

?

im genuinely trying 2 learn

and then u go "clueless:

holy shit

its so cringe no?

[spice spire]

How the heck would you know what vendetta is?

[fossil frost]

I AM

WATHCING

A GUIDE

LMFAO??

[spice spire]

Which guide has vendetta? It needs to be corrected

[grizzled storm]

Bruh you didn't even look at your spellbook first hahahaha

[fossil frost]

i did?

thats why im askjing where it is?

holy shit?

[grizzled storm]

Replaced with Deathmark

[fading spade]

Vendetta got removed this expac. Death mark is our new 2min cd

[spice spire]

And literally all the guide writers are in here, so which guide is it? Wowhead? Icy veins? Method?

[grizzled storm]

It's ok my guy

[white orchid]

Might be a YouTube video and old one

[spice spire]

Because that’s something they need to know

[fossil frost]

@grizzled storm this guy couldve said that in 10 seconds but nah he needs 2 be cringe as fuck

[fading spade]

Honestly I like it a lot better

[spice spire]

Oh he did say watching

[spice spire]

.

[formal cliff]

Which guide

lmao

[fossil frost]

it was 10 hours ago, i was watching a guide for agatha where the guy used vendetta to break the shield

[spice spire]

For Agatha?

[formal cliff]

agatha who

[fossil frost]

like i watched it 10 hrs ago so idk what video exactly but that doesnt tell me that deathmark replaced it

mage tower

[kind forge]

[formal cliff]

Browse you history :p

[royal lantern]

wow, and im not even the troll

[formal cliff]

Cause everything you need is in the faq and pins

[fossil frost]

yea how fucking dare i watch videos

how dare i!

[formal cliff]

How dare you watch outdated content right

:p

[fossil frost]

dude

[jade abyss]

Dude relax

[fossil frost]

u realize

10 hrs ago

people were sayhing how

the videos were good enough to learn

[formal cliff]

hes malding

[spice spire]

Are you trying to do mage tower? Or learn to play? I’m legitimately asking here

[fossil frost]

i can even show u the chat history

[spice spire]

Not trolling

[formal cliff]

He's trying to mald

legit

[jade abyss]

Vendetta is deathmark and your magetower guide is maybe legion or shadowlands

[spice spire]

Well, if he malds when I’m being genuine that’s on him.
But I am trying to guide him somewhere knowing now what is happening

[grim jay]

care, yep gets offended easily on the web and calls you cringe 100 times

[fringe moth]

@autumn frost Shoulders call worked out haha, got hands from LFR and chest from normal so thanks again

[spice spire]

No need to pile on

[fossil frost]

@grim jay right thats why 10 hrs ago u were talking about how there were tons of guides on youtube

[spice spire]

Cringe is whatever

[fossil frost]

righttt

[dusty zenith]

Question on removing embelishment. Do I just need 1 of Githra powder and then find someone to recraft it and proc it to rank 5 again?

[spice spire]

But really can you answer the question so I can send you to an updated/reputable place

[grim jay]

there are, you are just kinda a blockhead

[formal cliff]

yep

[spice spire]

Yes

[dusty zenith]

can I set min quality to 5 on the order?

or does it have to be 4

[formal cliff]

Depends on the crafter

[slow marsh]

he's a troll. he was trolling last night and even koffing was getting on his ass so

[formal cliff]

Most rank 5 only happen with a proc

so you need to set min quality to 4

[fossil frost]

i asked my question and got my answer

but really didnt need ur elitist comment tho

[dusty zenith]

ok thank you

[formal cliff]

lol...

[spice spire]

I explained my reasoning, my apologies that you can’t understand the other side and move on. I wish you good luck

[fossil frost]

ok you thinking theres a bunch of trolls have nothing 2 do with people trying 2 learn no?

w/e

[dim yacht]

thats just a lie, its all a trick made up to prevent the knowledge of the true meta build being spread

[formal cliff]

why would you watch a mage tower guide to learn how to play sin

[slow marsh]

not a bunch. just one

[fossil frost]

what is ur iq

[grizzled storm]

Hey you guys gonna run arterial this week on fortified or go with DTB?

[formal cliff]

what is ur iq

[slim hamlet]

true

[grim jay]

you dont try to learn, you refuse to

[fossil frost]

LFMAO

[slim hamlet]

dtb

[dim yacht]

dtb

dtb/ic to be exact

[slow marsh]

yeah idk if arterial can be good in m+ since you can't really get everythign you'd need to go with it

[dim yacht]

just dont even bother running ap at all tbh. its shit. even on enraging weeks i wouldnt bother, because your dps will be rock bottom

[chilly viper]

You can drop sparks now !?

[summer briar]

yes

[dim yacht]

people have confirmed you can get sparks now even from disturbed dirt

[fading spade]

I'm sad that arterial is lack luster. Looked so good on paper. Also sad that raid build drops zoldyck

[dim yacht]

rares, etc

[chilly viper]

What haha

Damn okay, not sure if it's intended

or is it

[formal cliff]

it is

This weeks quest was the last one

[fading spade]

After the fifth it was supposed to be droppable

[slow marsh]

it doesn't?

[dim yacht]

couldnt say (if its intended to drop from shit like treasures/rares), but basically if it can drop a dragon shard of knowledge, it can drop a spark

[chilly viper]

Fair enough, just weird that blizz hasn't mentioned anything

[rain mortar]

What would you recommend for mythic council sin build right now?

[fading spade]

I think it's 2/3 instead of 3/3

[rain mortar]

We use the new shiv ability for council?

[slow marsh]

oh i see instead of the kb line

[fading spade]

Yeah

[formal cliff]

AP/IC I'd guess

[slow marsh]

i was gonna say, for dtb its the same

[chilly viper]

DTB was 1/3 zoldyck no?

before

w/ exsang

[fading spade]

I always used KB, actually never played dtb.

[grizzled storm]

It was 2/3 right?

[fading spade]

But now it's bad

[chilly viper]

Maybe, could be wrong!

[late surge]

was 1/3 before

we got extra point to put this patch

[grizzled storm]

Well I was 2/3 but no exsang

[median agate]

Bleed DTB was 1/3, poison DTB 2/3

[olive peak]

i was playign the old dragon tempered build at 400 ilvl

[median agate]

Mostly

[olive peak]

biggest burst i saw was 70-80k

switcehd to the new one

i bursted 140k on the dummies

that shits nuts

[mystic trout]

+1 zoldyck or +1 improved poison(to make it 2/2=10%) for raiding?

[modern dust]

Can someone whisper me who has done Mage tower in DF?

[gusty yarrow]

What do you drop to get DTB+IC now?

Zoldycks?

[night delta]

Anyone knows if the pouch of alchemical flavour adds the Unique - Embellished or not ? I had no luck asking over at wow-general

[gusty yarrow]

it does not

[night delta]

gr8 news, thanks 🙂

[tired swallow]

any ideas what i can craft next? Got neck weapons and head

[spice spire]

Bracers?

[tired swallow]

but will kill broodkeeper today

prob they drop 😄

so still worth?

[spice spire]

Brez bracers kinda juicy ngl

But yeah idk

Maybe you just sit and find the whole in gear and just replace it

[tired swallow]

got low boots & waist

[frank axle]

with the DBM exsang build. do i try to stack shiv with anything or just send it on cd?

ST

[halcyon arch]

Can't find anything in FAQ, what sharpening stones are we using in ST? Crit or AP?

[royal lantern]

until you use them, they fail and you lose 50%max hp and die

[marble hemlock]

just dont fail or?

[timber basalt]

Skill issue

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-black-guy-the-wire-gif-3673282

[slim hamlet]

hmm

so

[scenic kelp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

how do u get ap without zoldyck

new meta?

[regal yarrow]

dont

[tough gorge]

I meant dtb + ic. Not ap, i meant to say the preferred mythic+ build

Thats my mistake

[thorny cloak]

ent

[spice spire]

No worries but Iirc the best simming builds still have it, but you can check faq, !Whispyr or !Fuu for them

[halcyon arch]

Buzzing rune or whetstones for ST

[spice spire]

I spent most of my day last night fixing UI stuff so I could raid when home today

[spice spire]

That’s a sim question but 99% of the time it’s buzzing

[halcyon arch]

Ty mate

[deft vault]

so whats the best way to farm spark now?

[gusty mirage]

do content

its an rng drop like legion legendaries

if you roll bad numbers you'll be a sad boy

if you roll good numbers

wahoo

[deft vault]

does everything drop em?

like the grand hunt?

[royal lantern]

cant wait to drop release sephuzs spark

[delicate berry]

How big of a dps loss is it to drop bonespike and exsan?