I'm surprised at just how many Outlaw rogues there are in these things
#assassination
oblique tangle
slim hamlet
in what
lament warren
outlaw is a very popular otp spec because it’s the easiest analogue to every other melee dps
oblique tangle
heroic raiding charts
steel ridge
full overdose on copium brudi
oblique tangle
If I had some 400 ilvl weapons maybe I'd do it
but holy shit it's so difficult to find some
grizzled moon
so the changes in 10.0.5 on assa are nerfs?
balmy condor
so the changes in 10.0.5 on assa are nerfs?
no
grizzled moon
thought shiv will carry harder
grizzled moon
sry 🙂
limber lion
My secret to parsing as Assa has been to just nolife grind any scraps of gear anywhere I can the first few weeks and kill bosses before anyone else kills them, works every time.
grizzled moon
will do boss
sonic schooner
slim hamlet
My secret to parsing as Assa has been to just nolife grind any scraps of gear an...
Smart
lament warren
ranged dps deserve to do less damage because they’re playing an easier game
limber lion
Can't parse bad if you're the only one killing the boss 
limber lion
And then u look at "todays parse"
Hey we don't talk about those
gilded oasis
I love when ranged get yoinked off on spider 
lament warren
i love getting yoinked off by the spider
worthy timber
@balmy condor is AP looking like it will be preferred over dtb? For pvp
slim hamlet
Hey we don't talk about those
I somehow have a 95 todays parse on heroic terros from 3 weeks ago
earnest imp
Does the DTB M+ build increase our dps in single target even a bit?
slim hamlet
I did more dmg than i currently sim
lament warren
rng
balmy condor
Does the DTB M+ build increase our dps in single target even a bit?
very slightly yes
slim hamlet
like 3k more than I sim now
royal lantern
@balmy condor will AP be good for m+?
lament warren
yeah you could have also had more time in execute
limber lion
like 3k more than I sim now
Yeah can happen with good fight timer and good rng.
earnest imp
Maybe we are closer to sub then for tyrannical
royal lantern
Maybe we are closer to sub then for tyrannical
no
lament warren
compared to sims which are approximately linear
earnest imp
😄
oblique tangle
@balmy condor why does AP only hit 5 targets?
earnest imp
ripperino
oblique tangle
Thought I'd get my dumb question in too since we're all asking them
balmy condor
lament warren
it’s important to note that sim dps is the median of thousands of iterations
limber lion
You can still see the variance in the sim if you'd like
lament warren
there’s at least one iteration where you rng 6k+ more dps
grizzled moon
<@167090536602140682> why does AP only hit 5 targets?
because blizz
limber lion
You can see the mins and the max's
slim hamlet
the patch didnt change dmg, and gave us less build options
Actually bis patch
slim hamlet
Give us these weekly
lament warren
yeah i have many
gilded oasis
yeah let me think of one
steel ridge
anyone else got dumb questions
how was your day king?
slim hamlet
anyone else got dumb questions
give me some minutes
lament warren
why don’t my parents call
balmy condor
how was your day king?
it's 1pm, not much happening
royal lantern
anyone else got dumb questions
can you tell my other dps how to not die on the first fking stairs on spider
like bruh
30pulls
balmy condor
why don’t my parents call
they don't love you
royal lantern
and we still cant do first stairs good
lament warren
that’s probably true
balmy condor
can you tell my other dps how to not die on the first fking stairs on spider
don't hold w
lament warren
stairs is hard
grizzled moon
anyone else got dumb questions
we can ask you if the changes are nerfs or no 🙂
steel ridge
it's 1pm, not much happening
its bedgetime in vaterland
balmy condor
we can ask you if the changes are nerfs or no 🙂
you can, that's a dumb question, exactly what I asked for
strange python
Why aren't servers up
lament warren
what weapon embellishment should i use
balmy condor
Why aren't servers up
blizzard servers held together with goth girl spit
limber lion
imagine popping off and doing 96k on Terros
strange python
anyone else got dumb questions
Do you love me
limber lion
lord hold me
balmy condor
Do you love me
step when it's over
you got a little white cum line that attaches you to the boss
gilded oasis
god I love falling off and stepping
frozen turtle
outlaw and dk have actual hacks for that fight
All rogue specs do. I shadowstep to someone that’s in a good spot when in sin spec
gilded oasis
she has a big hit box, might as well step back a bit give you greater odds
balmy condor
ye
limber lion
Why would you though? The hitbox is massive, you can hit her from Africa
balmy condor
step range long
slim hamlet
anyone else got dumb questions
Can u sim my new minminning m+ build?
magic vine
imagine popping off and doing 96k on Terros
peep fuu's current results, dream big
frozen turtle
I’m always afraid I’ll fall off since supped to put me behind boss 😅😂
gusty mirage
@limber lion hi what poison do I use
limber lion
Makes sense
slim hamlet
I have ~10 and I already hate it here
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> hi what poison do I use
Amp Poison + Atrophic with Kingsbane, Amp + Deadly + Atro + Crippling with DTB.
Didn't think I'd answer your question legitimately did ya now
gusty mirage
limber lion
teehee
lament warren
don’t run crippling on raszageth young oxi
gusty mirage
how about running deadly when talented into amp and realizing it after the boss dies?
asking for a friend
limber lion
Oh have you been watching my kills or something
lament warren
how about running no lethal while talented into amp
limber lion
that's pretty dank
thorn fjord
anyone else here have over 100 pulls on sennarth
Took us 74 
lament warren
what keybind is exsang and what bind is dm
thorn crater
I swapped outlaw for council and didn't put poisons on at all.
gusty mirage
pls see above @lament warren
lament warren
my exsang is ctrl t, my dm is t, and my kingsbane is shift t
so i have an excuse when i do it
shut owl
What's a pirate gonna do with poisons anyways
thorn fjord
Drink em
limber lion
my guild just had a 3% Rasz wipe, sheesh they're blasting
spice spire
thorn crater
Lmao
limber lion
from not getting into p3 to edging a kill
slim hamlet
my guild just had a 3% Rasz wipe, sheesh they're blasting
have u been lucky enough to be benched
limber lion
have u been lucky enough to be benched
Yes, no time and energy for that
lament warren
raszageth one of those bosses where as soon as you hit p3 your best goes from 34 to 14
slim hamlet
sick
lament warren
kinda poggers tbh
limber lion
unfortunately I'm super fucked irl with all the work and studies and whatnot
lament warren
i like it
slim hamlet
I hope I get benched on this dumbass spider but aint happening
royal lantern
Y’all are blasting through that pull count lol
you pull fast when you never get to the 2nd stairs
lol
tulip tendon
unfortunately I'm super fucked irl with all the work and studies and whatnot
Mythic raz or heroic?
gusty mirage
I hope I get benched on this dumbass spider but aint happening
no no
limber lion
Mythic raz or heroic?
mythic
lament warren
mythic
slim hamlet
yes
gusty mirage
it gets worse
slim hamlet
Yes
gusty mirage
thorn fjord
Mythic raz or heroic?
Damn getting benched on heroic would be real sad
slim hamlet
the worst thing to ever be created
limber lion
did every other boss, but had to sit Raszageth out
lament warren
dathea is worse than sennarth
slim hamlet
my whole guild fucking loves it and me and 1 other dude is just malding
gusty mirage
dathea is worse than sennarth
dathea might be worse than KT
limber lion
I played sleep deprived for 2 days and with a headache both days and played like shit
not worth it
gusty mirage
which is impressive as fuck
limber lion
ya'll are nuts
lament warren
dathea might be worse than KT
sod kt?
gusty mirage
ya
limber lion
dathea's easy
gusty mirage
dathea's not hard
lament warren
i was a phylactery fan
gusty mirage
dathea is miserable
slim hamlet
dathea's easy
just afk right click boss?
lament warren
it’s not hard it’s just aids
slim hamlet
wait for guild to actually kill boss
limber lion
Why is it miserable though
lament warren
true
limber lion
you just afk and slam boss
lament warren
melee run into each other
lament warren
duplicate marks
lament warren
all you can do is watch
gusty mirage
because when you afk and slam boss you're legit just sitting there for about 100 pulls waiting for everyone else to figure their shit out
slim hamlet
The worst thing about raiding in wow, is when u are ready to kill a boss but guild isnt
the actual worst thing in gaming
limber lion
So it's the guild's fault, not the boss
thorn fjord
because when you afk and slam boss you're legit just sitting there for about 100...
Put a stream on your other monitor then 🤣
lament warren
just do the vanilla ret paladin strat
slim hamlet
yea but its bosses fault that guild fails
🙂
also we are not even on kurog yet so idk what it will be like
limber lion
yeah maybe a bit of both honestly
thorn fjord
The worst thing about raiding in wow, is when u are ready to kill a boss but gui...
Literally the majority of mythic raid
lament warren
i freak the fuck out when i get life gripped
gusty mirage
Put a stream on your other monitor then 🤣
I prefer to int my damage by exsanging my deathmark tbh
it's pretty cool
limber lion
it's not exactly a fun boss that's for sure lol
royal lantern
I prefer to int my damage by exsanging my deathmark tbh
same
its a cool gameplay loop
3rd DM?
lets forget exsang, panic, and use exsan during DM
steel ridge
I prefer to int my damage by exsanging my deathmark tbh
Have you tried not talenting exsang?
slim hamlet
Literally the majority of mythic raid
Yea
lament warren
@balmy condor post keybinds
spice spire
lets forget exsang, panic, and use exsan during DM
Most common Terros kill strat
slim hamlet
I am a pretty fast learner and I usually read up a lot on fights before and watch vods
royal lantern
Most common Terros kill strat
did you check my logs or what? 
spice spire
Not the keybind talk again
slim hamlet
so compared to most of my guild I am ready to kill quite fast
gusty mirage
Have you tried not talenting exsang?
OR
spice spire
did you check my logs or what? <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
I’ve done like 70 log reviews homie
slim hamlet
Not the keybind talk again
This has become like a daily quest
royal lantern
I could just untalent deathmark
thorn fjord
I hate when I ER rupture and then when I’m about to hit exsang I remember I didn’t puzzle box so I slam the trinket and send another er rupture to exsang
slim hamlet
Not the keybind talk again
Keybinds and which spec is hardest
thorn fjord
Wasting like 10 seconds
lusty ermine
With the buffs to assassin and nerfs to outlaw, is it looking like assassin will be the go to for m+ and mythic raid content?
royal lantern
With the buffs to assassin and nerfs to outlaw, is it looking like assassin will...
trolling or serious
and what buff
lol
slim hamlet
assassination got a buff?
big 1k
royal lantern
if anything its a nerf
grim tangle
I don't have a free keybind for arterial precision
royal lantern
lusty ermine
The shiv one specifically
sour hinge
use the kingsbane one since kingsbane is ded
weak plover
slim hamlet
puzzle box optimizations that a lot of people were already doing is a buff?
nah just ptr compared to current
placid lotus
what is puzzle box optmization?
lament warren
when do you guys puzzle box
gusty mirage
the sims use puzzlebox mid GCD now
slim hamlet
ptr is like 90.5k and current was ~89k
lament warren
i like to do it after my snd
gusty mirage
which you can do currently
slim hamlet
I thought it was a zoldyck thing
limber lion
damn I wish we had pins that went over the changes and how much they affect our gameplay/numbers
thorn fjord
So macro pb to exsang now eh?
slow marsh
damn I wish we had pins that went over the changes and how much they affect our ...
what are pins
royal lantern
damn I wish we had pins that went over the changes and how much they affect our ...
we should get a ping that we should read the pins
lusty ermine
I'm asking because I've not played assassin since SL and debating on which spec to go with. I'm not really partial to any of them since I lived each spec at one point
slim hamlet
damn I wish we had pins that went over the changes and how much they affect our ...
I have read those
gusty mirage
assassination did not get a buff
slim hamlet
But that isnt what im talking about
royal lantern
I'm asking because I've not played assassin since SL and debating on which spec ...
the patch can be summed up with: you do same dmg, you LOSE kingsbane as a option, if anything, the patch is a 20000%deserved nerf 🙂
slim hamlet
assassination did not get a buff
isnt 1 point in zoldyck compared to DS a "buff"
even tho its small
I know KB was better before
gusty mirage
isnt 1 point in zoldyck compared to DS a "buff"
it's negligible
slim hamlet
for most at least
frigid kestrel
assassination did not get a buff
Gotcha, Sin got nerfed 
slim hamlet
Moon buffed next patch
gusty mirage
Gotcha, Sin got nerfed <:starege:923197272064426075>
it's build diversity did get a nerf, yes
lament warren
what is ds
slim hamlet
rerolling
slim hamlet
what is ds
dashing scoudnrel
thorn fjord
what is ds
Dashing
lament warren
oh ic
lament warren
ds nuts
spice spire
Ds can be like fifty things
slim hamlet
gusty mirage
Ds can be like fifty things
Dees Snuts?
thorn fjord
Dip shit
lament warren
like what
slow marsh
boomers
spice spire
Me 
lament warren
me
slim hamlet
wtf is deathly shadows
lament warren
i invented deep strat
spice spire
wtf is deathly shadows
thorn fjord
wtf is deathly shadows
Legendary
gusty mirage
wtf is deathly shadows
a terrible legendary
thorn fjord
🤣
spice spire
Mf doesn’t even know the goat
slim hamlet
sounds like a sub thing
gusty mirage
that made foreverguy almost have a stroke
lament warren
that made foreverguy almost have a stroke
lore?
thorn fjord
Deathly was an OL thing in s4
slow marsh
that made foreverguy almost have a stroke
what hasn't at this point
slim hamlet
Mf doesn’t even know the goat
sorry i aint a rogue boomer
gusty mirage
he was about to be forevercoma'd
slim hamlet
thats ptr yes?
limber lion
nope
slim hamlet
unlucky
limber lion
spice spire
Deathly Shadows isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a legendary with such a dps increase? DS puts the game on another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an item with this much of a raider IO increase for rogues again. Celerity breaks records. Master Assassin breaks records. Deathly Shadows breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
magic vine
limber lion
kb masterrace
lament warren
what did deathly shadows do
flint tusk
Masterdeadrace you mean
slim hamlet
yo wtf
slow marsh
what did deathly shadows do
full cp and damage amp for 12s or something
slim hamlet
I swear that was 90.5k a bit ago
magic vine
thorn fjord
Deathly Shadows isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you s...
Was this a copy pasta
gusty mirage
Deathly Shadows isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you s...
you have $10 and you buy two cokes for 10 minutes and burgers, now the first coke only last 2.5 minutes then you spend less to burgers and buy another coke, still $10. The difference transferred to burger difference not money wise
slim hamlet
Deathly Shadows isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you s...
is this an actual copy pasta or meme?
slim hamlet
you have $10 and you buy two cokes for 10 minutes and burgers, now the first co...
this I have seen before tho
spice spire
is this an actual copy pasta or meme?
Yes
slim hamlet
like 20 times
balmy condor
I'm updating today chill
spice spire
Time to find the vault
slim hamlet
never understood it
lament warren
why did it give foreverguy pain
lethal mortar
why didn't they make the shiv thing 8 targets instead of 5 so it can actually feel right with indiscriminate carnage
flint tusk
it would still be shit
slow marsh
Because they're gonna change IC to 5t and give it a 20% damage amp
spice spire
Okay I'll bite. Lets say you have a raid of 5 of each token class. What is your probability of looting at least one mystic token? 1 - (15/20)(14/19) = 44.736%. Now lets say you add one more zenith player to the raid, how does your probability to loot at least one mystic token change? It is now 0.9(1 - (16/21)(15/20))+0.1(1-(16/21)(15/20)(14/19)) = 44.360%. So if you drop that extra zenith player, congrats, you've increased your probability of looting a mystic piece by a whopping 0.375%. In the meantime you've also reduced your chances of looting 2 or 3 mystic tokens. Not really worth excluding players over for 99% of guilds.
magic vine
I'm updating today chill
yea i'm not trying to rag on you, i'm just pointing out to some of the doomers that its fine
gusty mirage
why did it give foreverguy pain
long story, involved a lot of m+ rats insisting something was better than it was, and then moving the goal post every single time they were challenged on it
spice spire
@gusty mirage remember that one?
lament warren
i hate m+ players
weak plover
cold blood when
spice spire
if this was during season 3, I was on suicide watch
Same buddy
balmy condor
I think the diff is fuu added catalyst gear
gusty mirage
stop replying without the ping you fucking weirdo
balmy condor
so there's 424 gear
slow marsh
stop replying without the ping you fucking weirdo
I'm 100% right all the time
gray crest
long story, involved a lot of m+ rats insisting something was better than it was...
That sounds like all the people who believe in string theory but dont have a degree in physics
magic vine
yo wtf
part of its probably because the original test sims were done before the apl changes to sync exsang with deathmark, and maybe some other stuff
gusty mirage
I'm 100% right all the time
every move I make is 100% calculated or some shit
@spice spire WHERE QUOTE?
slim hamlet
Okay I'll bite. Lets say you have a raid of 5 of each token class. What is your ...
is this all guys pasta or just random people?
spice spire
stop replying without the ping you fucking weirdo
No
thorn fjord
Never let em know your next move
limber lion
easy 300 dps for the gamers as well
slow marsh
<@226508540746006528> WHERE QUOTE?
limber lion
numbers mean nothing in this game
thorn fjord
Numbers are like birds
gusty mirage
easy 300 dps for the gamers as well
are there any apl changes that can help me be as handsome as you?
thorn fjord
They don’t exist
gusty mirage
who even is that
lament warren
that’s me
gusty mirage
oh
lament warren
he’s just like me fr
slow marsh
I don't think that can be achieved
thorn fjord
Not bad
gilded oasis
🙂
thorn fjord
Loggers
lament warren
45% is pretty terrible
gilded oasis
we were at like 47% until late pulls finally got our act together and had her at like 30% on landing
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> WHERE QUOTE?
gusty mirage
ty sir
lament warren
based
thorny pond
mikasa, su casa
gilded oasis
now do that, except without people dying to dumb shit
too hard
spice spire
Sorry it took a long time to find that one
lament warren
falling off sennarth tactically
gusty mirage
Sorry it took a long time to find that one
MENTALLY ill rogues as per usual
open marlin
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
lament warren
i had one pull where i was in webs and she still sucked me off and i chose to die for the clip
slow marsh
quake has the OG with the name
frank stone
ima kinda pumped
slow marsh
It's not hte same without hte name
gray crest
i had one pull where i was in webs and she still sucked me off and i chose to di...
can i call her
gusty mirage
i had one pull where i was in webs and she still sucked me off and i chose to di...
we had a 2% wipe, where my RL let me sit in webs the entire time when I had full CDs and battle pot
I was SCREAMING at my monitor
lament warren
go ahead
frank stone
Doing big g ear replacements hopefully and pushing for #1 m+ io score on my server for ass rogue
spice spire
thorn fjord
#1 out of 4?
spice spire
I have some heaters
slim hamlet
Doing big g ear replacements hopefully and pushing for #1 m+ io score on my serv...
Depending on the server u can just do a +2 dung and be #1
5head
gusty mirage
I have some heaters
MakeitQuake, Loremaster of RH
thorny pond
What a dumb title
frank stone
Depending on the server u can just do a +2 dung and be #1
you not wrong. My server cheeks
spice spire
gilded oasis
whats your server? Im coming over
frank stone
bleedinghollow
gusty mirage
@bleak sky fuck you
bleak sky
<@235673244777185280> fuck you
Eat my shit
slim hamlet
bleedinghollow
yo u cant share your adress like that
bleak sky
Do not ping me in this cursed channel ever again
hollow pine
Can I have a small bit?
dim yacht
Depending on the server u can just do a +2 dung and be #1
im #1 sin rogue NA and im dogshit
spice spire
Mood
frank stone
yo u cant share your adress like that
As long as they don't kn ow where I spam trade chat at I am safe
dim yacht
true
slim hamlet
what io is that actually?
dim yacht
uh
lament warren
bleedinghollow
i’m coming for your rank one
dim yacht
lemme see
slow marsh
MakeitQuake, Loremaster of RH
i miss this title tbh
frank stone
i’m coming for your rank one
i think he only 2.5k io
lament warren
easy
spice spire
2858
frank stone
im getting it and putting it on my linkedin
lament warren
time to onetrick sin
dim yacht
2860, but i took a break and stopped pushing 2 weeks ago
royal lantern
time to onetrick sin
me, the last 2 expacs
frank stone
i swap rogue specs every xpac
spice spire
Moonguard 
frank stone
(ive only played two xpacs)
dim yacht
moonguard does have a few decent players, believe it or not
especially on the pvp front
we do have a guild here that gets hall of fame pretty much every tier
gilded oasis
does alliance HOF even count as HOF
lament warren
no
slim hamlet
does NA HOF even count as HOF
frank stone
it does because I like the color blue
lament warren
hof is not region locked
lament warren
no
dim yacht
theyre usually around us 150-200 iirc, but yeah not the same as horde hof. but people acting like if youre not at the world top level youre shit at the game
which is just silly. theyre pretty good players
lament warren
does alliance HOF even count as HOF
spice spire
Tbf wr 200 is pretty good pending the hours
slow marsh
some guilds are hof but have 5 day raid weeks so it can get pretty cringe
spice spire
Ahhh that’s fair
dim yacht
theyre 3 days a week
spice spire
Yeah and some guilds are alli HoF and raid 2-3 days
lament warren
i was just poking fun at dropping ranks but hitting hof
spice spire
Like yeah that’s reasonable gamers
thorn fjord
Dont see how anyone older than like 22 can do 5 day raid weeks
lament warren
the 12 day horde hof guilds are all insanely good
dim yacht
all in all, my point really is that moonguard has people that play the game at a reasonably high level
dim yacht
just not a lot of us
balmy condor
the 12 day horde hof guilds are all insanely good
elusive pov
gilded oasis
big true
dim yacht
damn
lament warren
we don’t overtime btw
dim yacht
thats an impressive feat in of itself
gilded oasis
there is no faction based HoF anymore
just let me meme
lament warren
is that true
dim yacht
is it?
slow marsh
I'm looking for a one day raid guild hmu boys
strange python
there is no faction based HoF anymore
xD they went back to legion to me me
dim yacht
I'm looking for a one day raid guild hmu boys
i used to lead a one day a week raid group
lament warren
spice spire
I'm looking for a one day raid guild hmu boys
@thorny pond POV
lament warren
don’t think that’s true
gilded oasis
I'm looking for a one day raid guild hmu boys
I know a 1 day raiding guild that passed our 3 day prog. granted we canceled a lot
lament warren
there’s a one day in zuljin that gets ce
royal lantern
don’t think that’s true
eh, remember them saying something like making HoF % based, instead of a set number for factions
lament warren
sang raids there on his hunter
dim yacht
there’s a one day in zuljin that gets ce
thats lit
slow marsh
I mean the dream would be getting a 1 day raid group that's inside of wr 500 cuz that's just getting stuff done
slow marsh
hence why it's the dream bud
slim hamlet
Man outlaw channel is mad
earnest imp
hmm, sub m+ spec sims 5.300 more then assa m+ specc, you have similiar results in ST dmg sims?
dim yacht
is one rogue not worth for atrophic?
lament warren
kinda it
slim hamlet
Yea
lament warren
it is worth
strange python
without very very very good players
just get echos roster to stop going RWF and they could do it xD
next lion
"there is no reason to bring a rogue ever"
is it for m+ or raid
slim hamlet
raid
slow marsh
see your\ first problem is reading outlaw channel
dim yacht
at least theyre not survival hunters
royal lantern
"there is no reason to bring a rogue ever"
atrophic is a bit overrated cus it doesnt work on everything, but its the outlaw channel, they always say shit like that lol
slim hamlet
see your\ first problem is reading outlaw channel
its some of the best content a man can get?
balmy condor
is one rogue not worth for atrophic?
people will say it's worth, but I played a whole week without atrophic and no one in my raid gave a fuck or even noticed
slow marsh
true if you're into trolling that's fair
slim hamlet
atrophic is a bit overrated cus it doesnt work on everything, but its the outlaw...
I've come to understand atrophic sucks ass
gusty mirage
see your\ first problem is reading outlaw channel
yeah cuz we have some real fuckin einsteins in here
spice spire
people will say it's worth, but I played a whole week without atrophic and no on...
There were other issues at hand
royal lantern
I've come to understand atrophic sucks ass
its the ultimate "checklist spreadsheet" raidutility
slim hamlet
I def dont take MP anymore
slow marsh
yeah cuz we have some real fuckin einsteins in here
we have you
royal lantern
like, a RL will take you cus it exists and make a mark on it
balmy condor
like
next lion
shit like that only matters if ur wr50 anyway
royal lantern
and not cus its good
simple stratus
this
slow marsh
If atrophic worked on enviroment damage then it'd be worth
slim hamlet
like, a RL will take you cus it exists and make a mark on it
Yeah at least RL still think rogues are required for it
slow marsh
But boss damage isn't going to ever wipe the raid
next lion
above wr50 legit play whatever as long as ur good
balmy condor
If atrophic worked on enviroment damage then it'd be worth
honestly kinda doubt it
lament warren
atrophic is worth for early prog
slow marsh
it's the random soak shit from the ceiling
dim yacht
does atrophic only work on auto attack damage?
lament warren
that’s about it
dim yacht
like, does it not work on all boss abilities?
royal lantern
honestly kinda doubt it
eh, then it would be like devo aura, and devo is good
slim hamlet
honestly kinda doubt it
Would at least make it useful
balmy condor
yeh
strange python
then why does no one care
they don't pay attention and its not like most people care to min max outside top 3 of the world
lament warren
like, does it not work on all boss abilities?
doesn’t work on environmental
balmy condor
probably still won't notice when it's gone
dim yacht
that kinda blows
slim hamlet
its really like a .3% dr now
dim yacht
sad
slow marsh
honestly kinda doubt it
yeah i guess you're right actually 3% of 1mil isn't that worth it
simple stratus
if you could shiv atrophic to bump it to like 5-10% as a dr, that would be cool
slow marsh
Stuff that would wipe raid is getting a better dr anyways
lament warren
3% of 1mil over 20 players is a lot
slim hamlet
probably still won't notice when it's gone
I wouldnt notice if I didnt have a windfury
balmy condor
they don't pay attention and its not like most people care to min max outside to...
that's just cope. There's plenty of guilds that min-max that aren't specifically echo limit or method
slim hamlet
who looks at that shit
balmy condor
I wouldnt notice if I didnt have a windfury
I would, that's a sizeable gain to my damage
slim hamlet
Yea
slow marsh
3% of 1mil over 20 players is a lot
yes it is, but you're gonna use link or barrier or something more worth it regardless so it's not actually
slim hamlet
I just dont notice that
strange python
that's just cope. There's plenty of guilds that min-max that aren't specifically...
you mean echo,limit, and echo old school
lament warren
link and dr go very good together
slim hamlet
Until rasz where I actually look at groups and notice there aint a sham in it
slow marsh
Mind numbing is probably more worth than atrophic i'd bet
simple stratus
do you think tanks notice mind numbing in m+?
dim yacht
mind numbing doesnt apply to bosses
balmy condor
you mean echo,limit, and echo old school
whatever makes you feel better
balmy condor
do you think tanks notice mind numbing in m+?
yes
slow marsh
mind numbing does apply to bosses, always has iirc
dim yacht
numbing is actually useful in m+, because it slows cast times too
slim hamlet
mind numbing does apply to bosses, always has iirc
Heard its some weird stuff
balmy condor
when I'm not pugging, my premade tanks 100% notice numbing
dim yacht
wait what
next lion
if you could shiv atrophic to bump it to like 5-10% as a dr, that would be cool
THIS
you know how sick that would be as a raid cool-down
slow marsh
yeah it's always been clutch that's why I used to lol at people applying crip in raids
dim yacht
does numbing actually do something to bosses?
slow marsh
yes
dim yacht
news to me
balmy condor
doesn't work on most casts though
slim hamlet
does numbing actually do something to bosses?
What I typed is what I heard
slow marsh
it was most noticable on sludgefist? i think where it stacked with lock dr too
next lion
well true you would lose dps but like
spice spire
Yeah but can it numb the pain I feel inside?
lament warren
that’s why we need to move shiv and bring toxic blade back
thorn fjord
Yeah but can it numb the pain I feel inside?
That’s what cocaine is for
spice spire
Brother I ain’t a Miami POV
thorn fjord
Then adderal I dunno
slim hamlet
Yeah but can it numb the pain I feel inside?
no but this will https://www.wowhead.com/item=105702/boomer-brew
thorn fjord
Quake ain’t no boomer
slim hamlet
quite expensive juice if u NA
thorn fjord
Gen y squad
slow marsh
quake is a boomer for sure
slim hamlet
Started playing around 2005
bro I was born 2 years before that
how u gonna tell me u aint a boomer
thorn fjord
Millennial ain’t a boomer
dim yacht
quite expensive juice if u NA
stonks, time to go buy it from the vendor
and sell for 1m
dim yacht
surely
dim yacht
gross, boosting
gilded oasis
I miss boosting. Im poor af now
spice spire
bro I was born 2 years before that
Because I wasn’t born before 1980, zoomer
dim yacht
i made more in first few weeks of dragonflight on ah than any booster will make for the entire season
slow marsh
Because I wasn’t born before 1980, zoomer
still a boomer
spice spire
Just doing some rp
thorn fjord
I was born 87 perfect year tbh
slim hamlet
i made more in first few weeks of dragonflight on ah than any booster will make ...
made 1.4 mil in one day with dagger crafts
and 400k in total all other days
dim yacht
thats pretty dope
spice spire
still a boomer
Literally older than me
slow marsh
bro chill out
spice spire
(I’ve missed every time I’ve said that)
dim yacht
you still get kinda screwed doing that over anything that can just sell things on the auction house though
thorn fjord
Oldest dog in the world is a 22 year old chihuahua
slim hamlet
yeah it sucks
dim yacht
crafting orders will never compare to crafting to sell on ah
slim hamlet
its way more interesting and actualy chatting with costumers
but jsut a much worse way to make gold
dim yacht
agreed
slim hamlet
I spent soooooooo much time on it
thorn fjord
Crafting orders have made celebrities of certain people on my server
slim hamlet
already back to 200k gold
dim yacht
meanwhile i just sat there crafting enchants and spamming my tsm post button
thorn fjord
Which I think is super cool
slim hamlet
meanwhile i just sat there crafting enchants and spamming my tsm post button
TSM for osme reason just doesnt work on my pc
So never done that
thorn fjord
Flavor pockets are still 100kish tho
slim hamlet
manual baby :)))))))))))))))))))
dim yacht
sounds like youre doing something wrong then
slim hamlet
Nah its just fuckd
There is a post on their twitter from years ago explaining my problem
dim yacht
tsm has pretty good support if you ask
slim hamlet
never did a fix on it tho
dim yacht
weird
dim yacht
its miles better than any manual posting, i can promise you that
slim hamlet
Same as discord app just not working sitting on "looking for updates" loop forever
dim yacht
there were multiple days i made over gold cap
slow marsh
there were multiple days i made over gold cap
i guess i picked the wrong professions
dim yacht
if you didnt pick enchanting, yes
slow marsh
mining / jc and yeah i'm kind of regretting it at this point
spice spire
At least you didn’t go inscription 
dim yacht
itll be big again next patch
slim hamlet
only prof I havnt grinded quite a bit is engi
dim yacht
actually i went scribe too, didnt make as much
slow marsh
well my issue is i just came back 2 weeks ago so i started so far behind
spice spire
Scribe is painful
dim yacht
but if you did the profession shuffle to get artisans rep up fast, lots of gold was to be made on artisans consortium contracts
slim hamlet
that shit was wack
dim yacht
ez gold
slim hamlet
no one wanted to do that
dim yacht
kekw
slim hamlet
my man is malding over 5 hour game time
slim hamlet
he has never seen grass
frigid pilot
waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
gilded oasis
why would they read..
slim hamlet
i didnt
royal lantern
wow forums always deliver
i mean, thats a obvious troll
gilded oasis
just read headline
royal lantern
idk what you mean
slim hamlet
I have read to many people crying over delays
frigid pilot
i mean, thats a obvious troll
all copypasta originated in a true form at some point 
slim hamlet
unironically
frigid pilot
**READING?**
what poison sin use?
dim yacht
instant
royal lantern
**READING?**
update faq nerd
balmy condor
update my balls in your mouth
gusty mirage
update faq nerd
update this 
slim hamlet
is wounding worth it in sanguine?
dim yacht
no, instant is instant. wounding isnt instant, read the name of the ability
frigid pilot
is wounding worth it in sanguine?
get a better tank
slim hamlet
Should I be using amp poison with this build that chooses to take amp poison?
that is the best one
gusty mirage
Should I be using amp poison with this build that chooses to take amp poison?
no, you should push escape, log out, and then reroll uhdk
slim hamlet
no, you should push escape, log out, and then reroll uhdk
smart
thorn fjord
no, you should push escape, log out, and then reroll uhdk
Finally some sense
slim hamlet
no, you should push escape, log out, and then reroll uhdk
one guy from guild made a sin rogue alt, he asked me how to do st rotation i told him almost exactly that
all sin rogues is a hivemind
dim yacht
did anybody play wod prepatch, when disc priest had a 1 button instant cast rotation
thorn fjord
i keep telling our other rogue to come to the rogue disc and try to absorb some knowledge
He didnt lol
slim hamlet
"knowledge"
gusty mirage
have you seen the stupid shit people say?
slim hamlet
xd
spice spire
**READING?**
thorn fjord
The pins and FAQs
gilded oasis
theres no knowledge here only memes
thorny pond
have you seen the stupid shit people say?
Check the pins, get bent, can you read, !whispyr
gusty mirage
The pins and FAQs
one sec
thorny pond
that's all we offer
gusty mirage
let me respond to this
formal cliff
profile pic checks out
slim hamlet
that emote is actually bis
spice spire
?
slim hamlet
dogs truly love people unconditionally
gusty mirage
that's all we offer
slim hamlet
There is no other explenation
slim hamlet
spice spire
That’s not even for the people that type pb or puzzlebox together either
slim hamlet
just read tooltip
gusty mirage
I'm not even going to bother trying the other variations
thorny pond
Why read when you can just @gusty mirage and get him to yell at you? Then listen to zero of what is said
thorn fjord
Well i was telling him what to do but he refused and he stays benched because he cant figure it out... I've helped him with rotation stuff and prio but i dunno
thorny pond
"dae think sin is easy"
terse orchid
Why read when you can just <@192059095279337473> and get him to yell at you? The...
Added benefit of getting a chubby
spice spire
It’s the pfp for sure
thorny pond
"I talented exsang/ap, do I use it or should I press alt+f4 or use deadly?"
little moth
🙂
thorny pond
"wound poison good in this scenario?"
thorn fjord
LOL
thorny pond
"I think it is"
gusty mirage
maybe they can extend it another 3 hours
slim hamlet
So many questions can be fixed by legit reading tooltip
thorny pond
"why am I wrong?"
gusty mirage
so I don't have to raid
thorny pond
"why is cev being mean to me?"
gusty mirage
the best part is
slim hamlet
deadly vs instant??????? if u took 1 sec to look at tooltip u would know
spice spire
Oxi is being mean 100% of the time tho
thorn fjord
Cev def can come off as aggro if you're not used to him
spice spire
:/
gusty mirage
Oxi is being mean 100% of the time tho
true
except to your dad when I'm tryin to become your 2nd father
thorny pond
"Hey #assassination , can you read my outlaw logs?"
terse orchid
deadly vs instant??????? if u took 1 sec to look at tooltip u would know
luckily we don't have to worry about this anymore with dtb
balmy condor
@thorny pond "hey why is it that we don't take the new shiv talent?"
it sucks, numbers not good enough
"but it sounds good to me"
it isn't. It's not strong enough
"can you explain why? Here's a long form answer sheet, please attach a pdf of it filled out email it back to me. Minimum of 750 words"
slim hamlet
luckily we don't have to worry about this anymore with dtb
u would be suprised
now its just "do we use amp poison"
While showing build with amp poison 🙂
thorny pond
<@212747189703671808> "hey why is it that we don't take the new shiv talent?"
> ...
"I know you literally don't sleep and stream all your content, but when I was pooping, I had my first thought in a decade and think sepsis is good. I won't listen to reason"
dim yacht
rip NA, maint extended by another hour
slim hamlet
<@212747189703671808> "hey why is it that we don't take the new shiv talent?"
> ...
I would like that for every talent tbh
balmy condor
While showing build with amp poison 🙂
you never know, maybe talenting into amp and then not using it at all is better than twist the knife
limber lion
Cev def can come off as aggro if you're not used to him
You know, I used to do this whole thing where I just tried to seem really cool and chill and friendly and fun, but it's just so tiring man. We Finns ain't got the time for sugarcoating, just give it to me straight and I'll give it to you straight.
gusty mirage
you never know, maybe talenting into amp and then not using it at all is better ...
it's probably really close
slim hamlet
you never know, maybe talenting into amp and then not using it at all is better ...
Yep 🙂
thorn fjord
You know, I used to do this whole thing where I just tried to seem really cool a...
Never change... I'm a fan either way lol
thorny pond
You know, I used to do this whole thing where I just tried to seem really cool a...
uh, it's spelled "Sukkersnude" not "Sugarcoating"
slow marsh
Cev def ripped me a new one a couple times
balmy condor
I remember nyalotha
gusty mirage
it was what you were wearing @slow marsh
terse orchid
Never change... I'm a fan either way lol
Weird way to spell "simp"
oblique tangle
wow forums always deliver
🍆 💦 👖
balmy condor
people just chain spamming me "sim my character"
slim hamlet
It wasn't as bad as what Whispyr used to do pre-green
I heard he was an adventurer into the yellow channel
gusty mirage
@balmy condor can you sim my character
thorn fjord
uh, it's spelled "Sukkersnude" not "Sugarcoating"
not this again
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> can you sim my character
1 sim 1 sucky
gusty mirage
deal
tough gorge
Do any of the aoe builds take blindside?
oblique tangle
people just chain spamming me "sim my character"
ok but would u sim my moms character
gilded oasis
good deal
limber lion
This man created an entire fucking google sheet with hand-in-hand instructions for people asking him to review their logs
balmy condor
Do any of the aoe builds take blindside?
no
thorny pond
@gusty mirage can you sim my character with your gear? also I don't have raidbots premium
slim hamlet
people just chain spamming me "sim my character"
so u gonna sim this or not?
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> can you sim my character with your gear? also I don't have...
okay wow
don't call me out like that man wtf
slow marsh
so u gonna sim this or not?
actually cursed
gusty mirage
I don't have raidbots premium, sue me
dim yacht
nah, not cursed enough
slow marsh
taking expose and not even going to dance
dim yacht
gotta get rid of venemous wounds
balmy condor
This man created an entire fucking google sheet with hand-in-hand instructions f...
I like google docs
slim hamlet
nah, not cursed enough
oh shit
oblique tangle
taking expose and not even going to dance
Yeah. That's why
thorn fjord
Dont hope that on me
gray crest
I like google docs
I too enjoy being flash banged everytime i open a spread sheet
gusty mirage
I don't want a 421 puzzlebox or grieftorch
thorn fjord
I need eggnog ring
balmy condor
Then why am I getting blindside procs in AOE situations? <:FeelsWeird:5857392771...
10.0.0 kinda vibe
gusty mirage
I want a 421 eggnog ring
dim yacht
so theres no sources of energy what so ever outside passive regen
slim hamlet
also drop dashing
nah its m+ sim
spice spire
This man created an entire fucking google sheet with hand-in-hand instructions f...
I’d forgotten about this because I wasn’t too too active
slim hamlet
there is nothing worse to take
balmy condor
I too enjoy being flash banged everytime i open a spread sheet
my spreadsheet is the same color as discord dark mode
thorn fjord
u mean this?
fufufufufu
frigid pilot
outlaw expooooooooooosed
thorny pond
@balmy condor where can I fit AP in this build?
gusty mirage
NICE GEMS OUTLAW ROGUE
frigid pilot
DAMN IT
slim hamlet
here
frigid pilot
foiled again
terse orchid
I thought the whole 8 hour reset was a prank blizz was pulling on their red-headed stepchild server, but apparently EU is also down till 11 am. Should I just go do keys before the reset and sleep in?
frigid pilot
and i would have gotten away with it too if it wasnt for you meddling sin rogues
indigo pollen
wtf is sin yall crazy
gusty mirage
@limber lion do I order food and stay later at work, or go home and make real food
frigid pilot
word around the watercooler sin is simming for 105k after tonights patch
oblique tangle
actually what gems are y'all using? Flat crit ones, or crit+mastery ones?
or are you slotting to reach certain %'s
limber lion
I’d forgotten about this because I wasn’t too too active
The worst part was that it said something like "Good luck, friend! I love you, I hope you have fun and I hope the rest of your day is amazing." or something akin to that.
indigo pollen
small brain i use picture and do tha tgem
tough gorge
assassination build with no blindside makes ST feel wrong
spice spire
wtf is sin yall crazy
Downtime is every time
spice spire
The worst part was that it said something like "Good luck, friend! I love you, I...
He still tells me this daily 
gusty mirage
!neck
slim hamlet
oh my lord cant wait to loot 421 hands in 10 hours
prisma monolithBOT
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.
thorny pond
sin has more downtime than blizz servers
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> do I order food and stay later at work, or go home and mak...
How about you go home and order food? 
thorny pond
@gusty mirage go home and order a h@@ker
slim hamlet
<@192059095279337473> go home and order a h@@ker
how much u charge mr. star
thorny pond
if u have to ask, u can't afford it
gusty mirage
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/...
@frigid pilot might wanna reassess your gem choice brudda
slim hamlet
dim yacht
okay this is my attempt at a cursed build
frigid pilot
<@135917654157295617> might wanna reassess your gem choice brudda
no shot #outlawgang
dim yacht
gusty mirage
no shot <#316923682607857685>gang
no, swap it the other way
you're literally getting half the value of the lariat proc if it procs vers
oblique tangle
Just so we're clear though I should be using hybrid gems and not straight stat geems though right
dim yacht
yeah but think about it
frigid pilot
its for tankiness
slim hamlet
U wont have much bleeds
gusty mirage
_Just so we're clear though I should be using hybrid gems and not straight stat ...
probably yea
slim hamlet
but u only need 8 for max value anyways
dim yacht
with as little energy as we have, rupture will probably go down before you can even extend it
slim hamlet
u can def do worse for ST
oblique tangle
probably yea
Just seems like going with a crit+mast and a mast+crit gem gives 103 of each stat but two 88's is upward of 176 so I'm alwways on the fence about it
Time to find where the breakpoint graphs are
dim yacht
u can def do worse for ST
i think this build is very underrated. the big talking point of this build is you will have ~2 minutes between every gcd, so you can have plenty of time to think about what youre gonna do next
balmy condor
Time to find where the breakpoint graphs are
my eyes just crossed trying to read whatever you just said
gusty mirage
@limber lion
indigo pollen
sin simmy
dim yacht
youll have time to go to the rogue discord, ask someone what to do next, and then continue with your rotation. youll never fuck it up
thorny pond
oh my favorite, "Do we scale with gear?"
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> <:starege:923197272064426075>
There we go. I ate a good ol' burger today as well, was nice.
Treat yoself
thorn crater
so u gonna sim this or not?
you strike again LMFAO
oblique tangle
my eyes just crossed trying to read whatever you just said
Or whatever you want to call it. the graphs that show where stats start to even out or become less viable over other ones
their DRs
thorny pond
sim yoself
thorny pond
Yea why
frigid pilot
Go simyuhself
thorny pond
sim
thorn crater
why does go sim yourself sound like go f yourself in here?
oblique tangle
^
slim hamlet
think this is pretty good for ST @dim yacht
frigid pilot
Any rogues at 85k+ sim rn on live? Send pics
slim hamlet
i think this build is very underrated. the big talking point of this build is yo...
5Head
dim yacht
Any rogues at 85k+ sim rn on live? Send pics
look at pic above
guaranteed to sim 85k+ every time
oblique tangle
Simming seems like a lot of work when I could just know around roughly what % I should stop focusing on a specific stat though c:
spice spire
Don’t focus stats
balmy condor
Simming seems like a lot of work when I could just know around roughly what % I ...
yeah but that's not how anything works