assassination

[oak sky]

i know

💀

should be nerfed by the time i get there

in 2-3w

[gusty mirage]

envenom damage TOO high

AURA NERF

[drifting cloud]

the fight is just on crack from the start

[gusty mirage]

3%

[simple remnant]

rogue damage way to high bro

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Sadge

[strange python]

Losing alacrity stacks feels so bad on single target holy

[simple remnant]

thank you for that screenshot oxi

[strange python]

Just watching 3 finishers go off and losing your 5stack because of bad luck

[slow marsh]

Watching alacrity fall off while spamming finishers feels extremely bad

Yeah

It's one thing if it falls to downtime like in the past. But like damn I envenom / rupture 4 times and no refresh?

[oak sky]

its just a random passive increase

it is what it is

[earnest remnant]

best advice

stop tracking alacrity

then it wont tilt you

[oak sky]

i didnt even track it when it was 100%

[earnest remnant]

same xD

[oak sky]

well you play sub

[earnest remnant]

i play all 3 specs

jokes on u

[gusty mirage]

he also plays with my heart

[slow marsh]

I need to redo my whole wa pack and taking alac off will be on the to do list

[oak sky]

i havent actually touched sub yet

[drifting cloud]

you played outlaw on kurog agreon youve changed

[gusty mirage]

he's gotta pad that overall

[oak sky]

im playing it on dathea too

[gusty mirage]

I was considering going to make a sword @drifting cloud

then I realized we hold DPS on the adds

[oak sky]

because i got assigned to a platform

[gusty mirage]

and I asked myself why I would even consider that

[strange python]

Higher uptime on EP than alacrity???

[earnest remnant]

hey outlaw on Kurog is not as cringe as some Sub players going BP

[oak sky]

yeah we had to swap to them

[gusty mirage]

"STOP DPS"

I was like alright dude

I'll just sit afk

because uh

doesn't work like that for me

[oak sky]

oh you mean in intermission

[gusty mirage]

all adds

[oak sky]

why would you hold during phase

[gusty mirage]

you milk the enrage

idk man

[subtle tundra]

Milk me 🤤

[gusty mirage]

I was just STing the boss

[oak sky]

thats wack

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

during phase you just want it to die before enrage and thats the check

[oak sky]

the kill pull was omega cringe

[gusty mirage]

it was casual cleave for everyone not a warlock

and then hard swap right before enrage

we 3 shot it tonight

so seems like the strat was fine

[peak bobcat]

Yeah it’s more of a gear thing

[oak sky]

we had to hold on the 2nd intermission adds for boss damage

that was a little interesting

[strange python]

Dathea?

Or kurog?

[oak sky]

yeah kurog

so like we burned storm then held on fire forever

burned frost held on earth forever

[strange python]

We held on kurog for three kills then we told our moonkin to just hold CDs

[oak sky]

we probably kill dathea this coming reset

should have like an hour of prog on tuesday then 4 on wednesday

[strange python]

Dathea is incredibly unfun

I especially hated being outlaw on that fight having to cancel aura blade flurry constantly

[oak sky]

ive been through worse

[frozen zenith]

how big is the difference between outlaw and assa on spider, bcs our mage is just crying at me to go outlaw on spider because “most of the top logs are outlaw” and he want’s to just blast the boss as arcane or something idk

but I just do way more as assa + only real pain-point is the 2nd add so??

[runic hinge]

Tell that mage you’re just gonna blast boss and they can do the add

[static glacier]

I mean it's not like outlaw blasts adds

[frozen zenith]

especially since there’s no fighting for who gets to pad off the small spiders

[static glacier]

??? where did they get that idea from

[frozen zenith]

yeah thats what I said

but “top outlaw log has 5mil big spider dmg”

[static glacier]

like it will do decent damage, but outlaw doesn't "blast" anything, lowest burst rogue espec

[frozen zenith]

while not realizing top outlaw log didn’t have udk oneshotting the 1st and 3rd spider

[static glacier]

if anything if they wanted reliable dmg for a big spider wouldn't just asking you to go sub or dm it?

[frozen zenith]

but the guy just thinks I should go outlaw because top logs are outlaw + outlaw supposedly can burst the add

[oak sky]

2nd spider is the most important usually because there arent many cds for it, sin usually does a good amount because it dies so slow

[oak sky]

outlaw doesnt have burst at all that isnt really their thing, but they do have very good cleave in any length of time

[static glacier]

all rogue specs generally have good dmg outside of cds, spec change doesn't really change it much

[oak sky]

really either should be doing good add damage

you swapping won't make much difference

[frozen zenith]

ik that and that’s why losing out on being top boss dam so I can pad with blade flurry doesn’t really make sense to me

[oak sky]

its not exactly pad, the big spider is super important damage

it just won't make a significant difference

[gusty mirage]

lmao

arcane legit gets free cleave

on all their shit

what

[drifting cloud]

classic looking at r1 log snydrome

[frozen zenith]

padding on small spiders I mean

[oak sky]

small spiders isnt a reason to do anything

[frozen zenith]

the guy went fire yesterday 💀

[subtle tundra]

I don't even think they count on logs

[oak sky]

hmm

[frozen zenith]

that’s why Im saying he wants to just do ST arcane dmg and thinks me swapping to outlaw will somehow magically oneshot the adds bcs outlaw burst

[gusty mirage]

fire gets even more free cleave

[oak sky]

there is no outlaw burst

[frozen zenith]

that’s what I’ve been saying lol

so I guess its just mage player brain

[static glacier]

sounds like a more dps should just swap to it and mage needs to stop overthinking

like is he allergic to using one of his mini burst windowws on it instead of boss? mages have mini bursts every 45s iirc

[frozen zenith]

I mean I don’t really feel like its the main problem but ye it just feels like overthinking + weird assumptions about rogue spec dps profile

[oak sky]

every dps should be swapping to it

[gusty mirage]

funny enough

I addressed this exact point earlier

[static glacier]

f

recently cut a mage from the team bc he argued about lusting

refused to lust initially saying using it put it on cd so he couldn't proc temporal warp (lie) then tried to argue 20k mana is a significant dps loss when he's 4.8% of the raid's dmg

like bro why is pressing time warp / lust even a debate, you're asked to do it then you do it

[gusty mirage]

BUT MAH PARSE

[static glacier]

sad thing is there was all sorts of bs like it's on gcd etc

had to make a fucking gif

https://gyazo.com/36e8d852062351ca56a2be47f278e5c0

I don't understand why this is even a debate tbh.

[gusty mirage]

#neverforget

[dawn kelp]

So come Tuesday we just run the same DTB essentially?

[gusty mirage]

yeah except now you get to throw a point somewhere else ig

[cinder geode]

extra zoldyck point pog

[dawn kelp]

Gotcha gotcha

[subtle tundra]

Man I had the best dream

[gusty mirage]

did they revert all the pointless nerfs and replace AP with something useful?

[subtle tundra]

My guild disbanded and I quit wow

[gusty mirage]

oh

[subtle tundra]

But you were close

[static glacier]

man, might just play KB on everything since it's dying next week

[dawn kelp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cinder geode]

i dont hate AP to be honest

althought i did like KB as well

[steel ridge]

Those nerfs really weren’t their brightest moment...

[cinder geode]

but im gonna try cold blood with tiny toxic blade and AP for big numbers in m+

[gusty mirage]

best of luck

[tough gorge]

what if IC was re-tooled as a passive that lets your rupture and garotte hit 2 more enemies. Reduces AoE burst potential, but gives more consistent cleave, and can go beyond 8 targets with a bit of work.

[gusty mirage]

it would make more sense being where it is in the tree if it worked like that

cause the way it works now

is a qol cd every 45s

at least it being free cleave passive would make it useful outside of m+

[tough gorge]

yeah if pack lives fairly long, your not likely to get 2 ICs off, and the time after is not fun lol

yeah outside of mythic+ itd be good for ST builds with low cleave fights

[gusty mirage]

I hope someone finds something with the new talent

[gusty mirage]

cause uh it looks pretty dogshit

[balmy condor]

[tough gorge]

IC feels like a waste to us on like 3-4 cleave, when you could multi garotte them

[gusty mirage]

we for sure needed that extra 1%

[gusty mirage]

ARCANE MAGE UNTOUCHED STILL BTW

[magic vine]

... they're like, below midline on that lol

[gusty mirage]

swap it to damage to bosses

arcane mage was up there with all 3 rogue specs

didn't get touched

[balmy condor]

arcane aint really that crazy honestly

[gusty mirage]

if we get nerfed

[balmy condor]

it's just pi

[gusty mirage]

they need to get nerfed

[gusty mirage]

glad they buffed unholy dk btw

they sure were hurting pre buff

[balmy condor]

damage to bosses is also kind of hilarious

because assassination looks really good on boss damage

but then you realize

on all the fights where you would normally kill adds

the assassination rogue gets told to sit on boss

cause assassination is worthless on anything add related

[gusty mirage]

reminds me of anduin

I died during 2nd intermission

[magic vine]

also you get stuff like "unholy is super good with pi so they get a lot of pi"

[gusty mirage]

and I was worth 1% boss health

[balmy condor]

but then you look at terros

and it's like

[gusty mirage]

for the entirety of the intermission

[balmy condor]

assassination ain't actually that good

[gusty mirage]

remember when enhancement shaman were so deadset that the 25% nerf they got was TOO MUCH

and then they reverted like 10% of that

and they still cried

and it seems like... it's just fine?

[tough gorge]

terros is just a patchwork fight, how come assassination isn't pulling ahead of other two specs?

[balmy condor]

because it's not better

[tough gorge]

i thought it had the edge in ST

just poor at AoE

[gusty mirage]

no

[tough gorge]

so poor at both lol

[gusty mirage]

they fixed that

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

the edge in single target

at what

[gusty mirage]

we used to be

[balmy condor]

+200 dps on sub

[gusty mirage]

prior to all the nerfs

[balmy condor]

pog

[magic vine]

you'd need extended execute i think

[balmy condor]

super edge

[gusty mirage]

which is funny

cuz most terros kills

the execute phase is the entire fight

first 65% is whatever

it's the last 35% that makes or breaks the kill for most guilds

[tough gorge]

im fine with the ST as long as AoE is buffed

[subtle tundra]

Won't happen

Assa doesn't get aoe

[gusty mirage]

remember when it was ABSURD assassination was doing so much more than outlaw and sub?

fun times

I remember all the tears

[subtle tundra]

I think it's part of the agreements you need to press when you buy the game

[tough gorge]

I think the AoE needs a redesign, not just like an aura buff.

[gusty mirage]

then they nerfed exsang

then they nerfed RC

then they nerfed us by 3% AND a talent nerf

[tough gorge]

whats RC?

[gusty mirage]

now we do mediocre damage

ggs

[subtle tundra]

Pb nerfed less go

[gusty mirage]

resounding clarity

oh

I forgot about the PB nerf

[tough gorge]

oh ER yeah, that felt unneeded

[gusty mirage]

how silly of me

[tough gorge]

Now that you list it like that... they nerfed assass alot huh lol

[gusty mirage]

we didn't need the 3% aura after all the other nerfs

[subtle tundra]

Make class tree right side even remotely decent please

[gusty mirage]

we were still ahead

but god damn

[gusty mirage]

make the class tree remotely decent*

it's awful

all of it

but I mean they're trying to address it

which is cool

[stray mural]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qXpbyxpKhGidafnwY6xDXd I thought puzzlebox was cracked???

[tough gorge]

I had the suggestion to make IC a passive that spreads rupture and garotte to 2 more targets, give it small cleave and big AoE potential. Smoother rotation and not waiting on CD

[stray mural]

even if i pump valor into it the sim is showing it as not better

[gusty mirage]

I mean that's a dungeon slice sim

[balmy condor]

not in dungeonslice brother

[stray mural]

so not in keys, got it

[magic vine]

depends, its gonna be better on big boss weeks probably

[gusty mirage]

3min CD shit is just awkward in keys on top of that

[balmy condor]

cope

[gusty mirage]

but think of the execute damage

[balmy condor]

cope

[gusty mirage]

[magic vine]

well, depends on where your groups difficulty point is

[subtle tundra]

Lack of brain cells

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

you too?

[stray mural]

for keys my sim says grief + whetstone is the way. so it goes

[royal lantern]

assa has the same st as outlaw and sub

sub and outlaw are both cleave and aoe monsters aswell, while assassination has 0 raid aoe when it wants to do ST dmg

there is absolutely no problem at all

[slow marsh]

But we have st burst prio

For 4 more days

[royal lantern]

yeha, the giga st burst prio, ignore all adds and stay Boss, and you do 19m boss dmg

meanwhile the sub did 18,5m boss dmg and 11m add dmg

[slow marsh]

But we have uhhh iron wire

And execute

Yeah we have 3t execute that's it

Spec saved

[royal lantern]

oh, and the giga kb burst where you need 3000things stacked at once, and the sub pressed his sectech+coldblood macro and did more dmg in 1gcd, or the outlaw just uses any ability cus fuck dmg spread

[slow marsh]

Skill issue

Just wait until we start hitting stat breakpoints. Then assassination will be great again

⚖️

[royal lantern]

but i allready broke the 34% crit

[storm onyx]

I just want some of the talent nerfs reverted

If they insist 3% was necessity as class tune

[royal lantern]

nah, but srsly now, im just frustrated as hell that assassination STILL has that giga stupid "ST SPEC TAX" when the game isnt about pure st in 9 out of 10fights, and isnt even exceptional on ST anyway

and can do 0aoe or cleave without fucking its ST dmg

meanwhile other classes and specs just do both all the time

often better anyway

[slow marsh]

Yeah no honestly I agree if we aren't allowed to do AoE or cleave then we need to at least be ahead in st by at least some small margin

[royal lantern]

like, why do i need to chose bettwen "st and 0aoe, or aoe and 0st" and a dh just does more st and aoe without swapping builds anyway lol

[slow marsh]

Tbh that was kind of the main tilter for me in sofo and what added to the snowball of me quitting was during anduin prog

I legit just wasn't allowed to play sin

[lament warren]

wow is a good game

[slow marsh]

And it wasn't even a guild thing like we always have to deal with the whole 'why not sub or outlaw for x content?', it just felt like from design I couldn't play it

Frost dk literally did just as much st but also shit on adds with breath and that kinda just broke me

[royal lantern]

like bruh, sub rogue trial joined, and its really "fun" watching him be better at everything by default

[lament warren]

spriest pays the price for being good in bod and legion still

[royal lantern]

even thought im getting 90+ on all fights

🙂

[sly elk]

I’m improving!

Look at me go

[royal lantern]

sub rupture doing more dmg then the DOT SPEC RUPTURE, and also having a free dot Spread, gives me a joker moment

[sly elk]

I did my rotation and only messed up a little bit. Big steps for me. Should I be using tempest in ST for more bonus on lethal dose, or no?

[slow marsh]

Only outside of shiv if you have it talented

[lament warren]

you should not talent that unholy spell in single target

find god

[sly elk]

Ok

[slow marsh]

Correct but if there's any cleave pretty sure it's worth it unless that's changed which I doubt

[sly elk]

I’m not using it but I know I was confused on using SBS vs a third point in Zolduck and people said lethal dose, so I was making sure I wasn’t missing more damage

[lament warren]

sbs is just permanent and efficient cp

ct it’s like

6 times the cost

per minute

more than that

[sly elk]

I know what sbs does, but at the time I didn’t get the balance between the 2% normal versus the 15% execute. Just trying not to repeat my mistake

[slow marsh]

Yeah you're good

[sly elk]

[zinc frost]

I love this ability playing sub, feels great in keys - why wasn’t it a consideration for sin? Shouldn’t have to rely on IC like that to spread rupture

[slim hamlet]

sub having better ways of applying bleeds than the bleed spec 🙂

[sly elk]

Sure, but can they do this? -specs into kingsbane and has a terrible time overall-

[late veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sly elk]

But yeah, I finally made it through a fight and my rotation was pretty clean. I’ve been using the potion trinket, and it’s been surprisingly strong for me

[night crag]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jade abyss]

With the kingsbane change we dont play kb ic anymore?

[royal lantern]

you wont play kb period

dead talent

[jade abyss]

Awesome...

[royal lantern]

new patch, and all that happend, is that we lose build options

[jade abyss]

With the new talent we have a "mass sooth"?

[strange python]

Good morning EU bros

Would you like to see my shameful opener

[slim hamlet]

I am in love with new patch

please make changes like these every week for maximum enjoyment 🙂

[slim hamlet]

ye

[oak sky]

we used to get good cleave too but rupture and garrote cant be too strong on individual targets or our aoe spirals out of control with ic

tuning is weird though im sure theres a way

[glass junco]

@balmy condor hey, got a quick question for you

[balmy condor]

@glass junco hey, got a quick answer for you

[glass junco]

Since we have one of the best class discords, and I think we also have some devs here, have you talked with anyone in blizzard about the Kingsbane change?

I mean, I would suppose that since the changes were announced early and were in the PTR, we should have a way of saying "this is weird"

[balmy condor]

uh huh

I have relayed some concerns

but I'm not going to talk about specifics

[sharp bloom]

Hey mates, after playing Outlaw from DF start, wanna try Assa spec. wich spec is the more suitable to assa beginner rogue ?

[balmy condor]

anything with dragon tempered

[glass junco]

Alright, and do you feel like the concerns are taken into account usually?

[sharp bloom]

thanks ! ill give a try 🙂

[balmy condor]

the dev(s) have been receptive to the communities concerns for the entirety of the talent rework since alpha

[glass junco]

Aight, thanks for the quick reply, lets hope for the best^^

[balmy condor]

sorry I'm walking a bit on eggshells about it

[glass junco]

I understand that, no worries^^

[balmy condor]

I don't want to say anything that could get taken out of context about it and get either me or him in trouble :P

so I gotta be a little careful

[subtle tundra]

You're an eggshell

[balmy condor]

no, that's my skin tone

[subtle tundra]

🧐

[glass junco]

NEXT ON WOW NEWS: WHISPYR SAYS "DEV BAD"

[toxic burrow]

Aura:25% boost to rupture on a single target. For every ruptured target, - 5% bonus until it just gets to the default rupture strength. Just counteracting the ruptured targets bonus agi node.

[runic hinge]

I wish I was an egg shell so whispyr would step on me

[toxic burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ninomae-inanis-takodachi-tako-no-horni-horni-gif-26104396

[balmy condor]

[glass junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-vào-mặt-cái-cám-bonk-anime-bonk-meme-bonk-dog-gif-26069974

[toxic burrow]

I like that one!

[balmy condor]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b167ae9e6c1ae7f6ad118723925160cd1b8065df27&rid=giphy.mp4&ct=g

[royal lantern]

leak the group chat

[sharp bloom]

Any video suggestion bout guide for Dragon tempered build ? learning better this way 🙂

[balmy condor]

no videos

[glass junco]

When I realized that not every class has a discord like this one i felt so priviledged and so sad at the same time

[balmy condor]

I mean

they do

[glass junco]

Most of them are not being updated frequently and tbh info is kinda... not that high quality..?

Here everything is organized, info is updated, people are really knowledgeable AND helpful

[slim hamlet]

I tried to get some info on when to use seeds as aff lock start of dragonflight

3 dudes began yelling at each other

I tried getting some info on enhance rotation

They began saying sin was op

I tried lookin at boomkin discord

Never again

[glass junco]

Ye exactly

[royal lantern]

i mean, RH has its moments aswell

[slim hamlet]

Mm hunter was the only reasonable one

[frozen zenith]

thats like half of aff playerbase tbh

[glass junco]

true true

[royal lantern]

slowmode on patch days cus people go crazy

[slim hamlet]

But that was like right after their giga buff so

[glass junco]

dk is also fine

[royal lantern]

+high horny levels for whisp

[balmy condor]

from*

[royal lantern]

both

[runic hinge]

Both

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

And rogue is without a doubt not even close to having the best faq and fast responses to New stuff

[visual sequoia]

Do they nerf kb or or u just don't play it anymore when u have dtb on the same spot?

[glass junco]

4th pin

[royal lantern]

2nd

[slim hamlet]

They removed it from the game

Afaik

[glass junco]

Basically

might as well make it unclickable

[slim hamlet]

Well

It is

[glass junco]

Leave the icon there a Legion Tribune

[visual sequoia]

Mhh OK I just got used to the kingsbane stuff, and the nice execute dmg 😔

[slim hamlet]

Kings bane was in every way better imo

More interesting, more burst, more overall, more execute

[desert inlet]

do we have any idea if Kingsbane is still worth for Raszageth on Tuesday?

or am I just gonna have to try

[shut thistle]

I am curious about the new shiv talent working together with Exsanguinate, Deathmark and vanish Garrote and if it would end up being an increase over kingsbane/dtb node.

[balmy condor]

probably yeah

the hardest part is the shields and you get essentially 3 kb's for the price of 1

that's big

[slim hamlet]

what do you mean by this

[balmy condor]

?

[slim hamlet]

the last part

3 kb's for the price of 1

[balmy condor]

you get a 200% damage buff

[slim hamlet]

ahh

thought it was something with the tree

[supple snow]

guys anyone has a specific talent for Tyr weeks?

[slim hamlet]

yeah

they are in #outlaw-faq

[supple snow]

unlucky

no no, I meant for Rogues

[slim hamlet]

oh

#subtlety-faq will have to do then

[supple snow]

[sly elk]

I wonder if fang and potion is optimal embellish or if we have something better

Maybe mastery?

[supple snow]

optimal is cowl and lariat, of course if you have ring

[sly elk]

Right but if I don’t

[normal mist]

Even without ring afaik

[slim hamlet]

neck and cowl sims best for me

[sly elk]

Really? I always thought cowl was kinda underwhelming

[slim hamlet]

without ring

[twilit hollow]

without ring cowl still simmed higher than fang adorn, narrowly but i just swapped for future proofing

i mean fang adornment is just as underwhelming

[slim hamlet]

fang is like 0.1% behind cowl only tho

[twilit hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sly elk]

I see

Man and here I was on the potion cooldown reduction coolaid

[slim hamlet]

yep no

[sly elk]

Womp womp

[slim hamlet]

I have seen quite a few have the mastery at 90+% for some reason

coping for 100% uptime

[topaz bluff]

I have a 0.3 difference with neck/cowl/ring instead of boots+patch 😂

.03*

[slim hamlet]

huh

cowl + ring was a ~3.5% alone

for me

[topaz bluff]

.3 is auto correct on phone fubar, it's like a 400dps change in a dslice with heroic ring

[slim hamlet]

oh

just read it as .3

anyway

[topaz bluff]

Not sure about pure single target didn't sim that as I don't do much raiding

[glass junco]

it never simmed better for me

[slim hamlet]

Finally got ring yesterday, surely I get big glove tier next vault

[slim hamlet]

stat issue

[glass junco]

definitely

my stats suck

[topaz bluff]

Double checked on ring+cowl+neck vs boots+patch.

Less than 600 dps gain in dslice 😂

That's as KB/IC might be more of a difference with other talents 🤔

Well 599 DPS gain so might as well just call it 600

[grim jay]

More on more targets and isnt a proc

[elfin valley]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

With Patch you mean mastery?

[topaz bluff]

I prolly should swap my current gem combos vs proper itemizing for the cowl/neck sim, that's likely where the change from 400 to 600 came from this time. I haven't updated my current ones just yet

The toxic patch+slimy boots

[grim jay]

Ah right, mastery was lining

[topaz bluff]

I use pbox though, boots seem to have good stat weights with that. I take off pbox and swap another trinket in and they lose a bit of value though. Moreso than the cowl setup. I ain't really splitting hairs on less than 1% overall change, personally. I don't push any content where the tiniest of gains might be needed though.

[brisk leaf]

New assas rogue question - what is the target breakpoint for using FON to build CP, same question for crimson tempest vs envenom as a finisher (im running poison bomb / DTB)

[grim jay]

Fond of night?

[storm forum]

Force of nature?

[zinc frost]

FoK at 3 + targets

[storm forum]

Oh FoK? Fan of knives?

[ruby rover]

iirc fok at 3+, maintain tempest at 3+, envenom to dump cp at <6, refresh tempest to dump cp at 6+

[grim jay]

#assassination-faq tho. All the good things explained there

[storm forum]

Yeah the rotation section

[brisk leaf]

thanks

[storm forum]

Only things to add is that on single target, no amp poison (so like, kb/ic dungeons vs bosses) CT is fine to use outside of kb/shiv windows.

And you get infinite energy from having ~7-ish(?) Bleeds out, so keep those rolling in AoE before you dump cp in env/non-pandemic CT. Unless the mobs won't live another 10 seconds or whatever for the energy economy to matter.

[patent dawn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jade abyss]

Is there a explanation for the kb change?

[balmy condor]

from who

[royal lantern]

you

[balmy condor]

an explanation as to why the kb change at all?

or an explanation of the actual change

or an explanation of what the change means to assa meta

[supple snow]

I'm interested in the last one

if it's anything other than KB is now dead

[slim hamlet]

Sorry to disappoint

[supple snow]

😄 just dead

[lament warren]

kb js dead 🦀

[balmy condor]

there's a pin for that

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

also shows the new builds we have

atm

[supple snow]

thanks.

I keep reading and looking at the pins for new info 😄 don't wanna lose hope

[slim hamlet]

U are hard coping if u expect changes before release

[balmy condor]

idk why everyone is like

giga dooming

at worst we just play the same dtb shit we played for most of the patch

at best we get to play a new cool capstone

[supple snow]

not actually dooming though. happy with where it's at in general

[balmy condor]

only weird thing is kingsbane is undertuned now

but like

kinda whatever imo

[supple snow]

I am just unhappy with what i'm doing on Tyr weeks. so want something to nag at.

don't take it seriously

[slim hamlet]

DTB and ic in m+ will be nice

[balmy condor]

yeh

[slim hamlet]

But would rather not have that, and have option for kb in raid

[balmy condor]

it's not just you tbh

[slim hamlet]

I have been dooming hard I admit

[dark token]

Rip assa razageth is all I'm saying

From this patch change

[balmy condor]

lmao

[dark token]

Cause kb got hit hard

[slim hamlet]

But I feel like its for a good reason

[dark token]

It's fine on literally every other scenario

But the fact the 1 min build got nerfed is a nerf specifically to raz

[slim hamlet]

I usually dont doom much unironically

[dark token]

Subtime

[supple snow]

I feel like some small node placement changes can fix this for us big time. but I may be big time wrong.

[balmy condor]

I mean honestly playing kingsbane probably does more on raz after the patch than before

you lose out last phase

and maybe last shield if you're super fast getting into zold range

but execute is already omega cope

[supple snow]

like maybe have one of TP / CT be less punishing to go for. specially TP ( i think )

[balmy condor]

even in race they be playing sub in like 80% of kills

[supple snow]

like just switch TP and FD ? o.O

[balmy condor]

but kingsbane does the same damage to shields as before

you just get dashing now

big whoop

[slim hamlet]

Still 6% on the overall

[balmy condor]

sure

but for what kingsbane did

[slim hamlet]

Not like shield os the only thing to think about

[balmy condor]

it will do that but better

and the 6% you lose

[slim hamlet]

Yes I understand

[balmy condor]

won't really do anything

you're still shit at intermission damage

6% on kb or not

you're not magically going to crank in situations you weren't cranking before

the builds legit do the same thing they did before, most even do it better than they do now

it's like NOOOOOOOOOO THE PATHING THROUGH ZOLD MY OVERALL DPS, NOW KINGSBANE WONT GIGA CRANK ON THE LAST DEATHMARK IN THE FIGHT

[slim hamlet]

I prob just play sub

[balmy condor]

and aside from that?

its uh........

not much

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

Buuuut

[balmy condor]

like you either complain about not having zold -> kingsbane because now you have to split points and can't just yoink 3/3 zold for free

[slim hamlet]

Thats like only rasz

Anywhere else kb is deadge

[balmy condor]

in which cause lmao cope on the execute till you choke

or you're just insane

and making shit up

everything else is the same

[storm onyx]

RL asked me to go DTB on Rasz, couse we were lacking overlall dmg to meet timers

[balmy condor]

YIKES

[storm onyx]

What works depend to alot of things

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean cursed shit happens

that def isn't the move

but yeh

shit happens

[storm onyx]

yea, but we got the kill, so

[balmy condor]

be like that

[sonic spindle]

I killed rasz on LFR with dtb yesterday.

[balmy condor]

gangster

[hollow escarp]

grats

[sonic spindle]

Thanks 😂

[fleet imp]

Big gzs

[balmy condor]

but yeah as far as I'm concerned, you can be upset about:

1. kingsbane not being viable overall on single target
2. losing execute -> you're kind of a clown but whatever
3. SIN NERFED -> you're actually an idiot

if you're just angry that you can't play kingsbane because you wanted to and it's cool

then whatever

sure

[supple snow]

nah, the changes do actually seem like a buff no?

they just don't fix the weakness we have with not being able to be decent on ST and cleave at the same time. which is my biggest problem right now

[balmy condor]

there's been plenty of people complaining that it's a nerf

[lament warren]

kingsbane is the playstyle of sin

[balmy condor]

it is one of them

[modest glen]

Removing exsang and putting kingsbane in it’s place would be cool

[turbid harbor]

Are the changes aimed directly at raz damage do you think?

Seems very strange to take the tree in its current iteration, dtb and kb simming very close, and then making changes to give you a ‘choice’ between them

[storm onyx]

No, Its actually a move t make capstones to be reachable

But KB build got fiddled with for that

[slim hamlet]

I am all 3

Tbh i cant wait testing the new m+ builds thi

Thats gonna be hype

[fleet imp]

🤝

I am afraid mainly about M+

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm onyx]

They were already a choice, in a way. There was a point at beta where making all a node was discussed even; since we couldn’t reach them anyway

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[balmy condor]

if I had to give my opinion, which is just an educated guess and has in no way any connection to any conversations I've had about it, do not read into it I am clueless

then I would wager a guess to say that 3/3 nodes like zoldyck, dashing, and scent were decided to be removed late into the beta cycle. You saw a lot of them leave from other trees. Assassinations fundamentally could not have handled changing all of them at 2/2 instead of 3/3 cause it would've enabled things like KB+DTB, which would have been game breaking and required massive sweeping nerfs to keep the spec functional. Would've destroyed build diversity alongside it, and probably would've needed a bunch of band-aid fixes to keep everything held together. This is the first step in making the nodes 2/2. It's not aimed at raz specifically, just aimed at a bigger, long term shift to getting the tree in a more comfortable place. The change alone might seem weird but I have.... faith maybe? that the tree at the end of the day will be much more robust and better to play with than it was having 3/3 nodes. That sadly required a way of breaking KB+DTB from existing, and putting it on a choice node like this is the logical step.

[slim hamlet]

Our m+ stuff is strictly getting better right

Good builds for both fort and tyran

[turbid harbor]

That makes sense, thank you 🙏

[dawn merlin]

now I kind of wish IC and AP were a choice node

would that be cursed

[slim hamlet]

U sure do seem to have a very educated guess

[balmy condor]

I'm a studious man what can I say

[drowsy parcel]

Dtb was a mistake

[slim hamlet]

But makes sence I saw a lot of people wishing for DTB + another capstone being a thing

At least start of expac

[lament warren]

sin not even the best spec for raz

but it is rly fucking strong

have u lookled into logs

and seen how much sin does

to shields

🥴

[slim hamlet]

Come to think about it DTB is actually giga boring capstone

[lament warren]

112k the entirety of p2

yeeesh

[slim hamlet]

Only problem is DTB and kb together afaik

[jade abyss]

It will be not possible to play ic dtb right?

[balmy condor]

I think there's bigger mistakes, DTB might be a mistake on its own. I think in context DTB is fine as a passive option with the button bloat the class in general has for a wide spread of players, but it wasn't planned around accordingly and is now overbearingly strong for no reason

[slim hamlet]

Def weird placement for AP in my eyes

[balmy condor]

it will be, that's what you're playing every week every dungeon from the looks of it

except raging, might play AP during raging

[tall atlas]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PnmL3G2r7Q1RM6yC#fight=27

[queen cosmos]

Could someone help me out with a log review? Played assa for the second timer ever on our mythic Terros kill and wanted someone to tell me on how can improve

[tall atlas]

Get in the line bro

[drowsy parcel]

It should be a weaker (and easier to play) but decent alternative like slice and dice instead of rtb was for old outlaw

[jade abyss]

Then i can live with that change i guess

[slim hamlet]

The aoe was quite a bit higher with AP tho right?

Hopefully worth running on stuff like NO maybe?

[storm onyx]

I am fond of DTB actually, I would play the other 2 specs if I wished for button smashing or lottery

[slim hamlet]

2 cleave bosses too

[lament warren]

not really

[slim hamlet]

Like 6% No?

Even tho 11% lower st

[winter raft]

i like dtb a lot (boring capstone enjoyer)

[lament warren]

11% is a lot

[jade abyss]

In my opinion dtb is boring af but when its so good i have no choice 😅

[slim hamlet]

Yea

6% is also a lot

[lament warren]

based take

[balmy condor]

yeh, just didn't end up like that and now needs a bit of untangling is all

[slim hamlet]

I dont think anyone actually likes DTB, maybe enjoy it because its no real thought

But doubt anyone is batchesting over that capstone

[lament warren]

i like dtb

wtf

[slim hamlet]

I do too

[dawn merlin]

I agree it's boring af, but I like it for some reason

[lament warren]

i hate kingsbane

[winter raft]

same

[lament warren]

i hate having a 3min a 2 min and a 1 min

[slim hamlet]

But not because the capstone is actually interesting

[dawn merlin]

guess 4 poisons is cool to have

[storm onyx]

I may guess this is just one of the steps for tree fix, and they have a plan/idea to pull KB up maybe

[winter raft]

im batchesting. 4 poisons?wowee

[lament warren]

i hate that the 2min is so impactful that you hold the 3min

to make it 4min

[winter raft]

(me playing with dtb)

[balmy condor]

CRIPPLING POISON VALUE GUYS

[dawn merlin]

crippling is definitely a feelsbad moment

and we'll be running 3 poisons in sanguine weeks I guess

[lament warren]

i already run 3 on ras

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim hamlet]

DTB should be like that destruction choice node. Easier to play but not as good when other choice is played well

[lament warren]

cuz crippling is trolling intermissions

[slim hamlet]

The havoc or whatever its called

[storm onyx]

KB is absolute hell if you are in a raid with tanks just waltzing about

[limber lion]

playing dtb is trolling the fight

pick your poison I guess

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[lament warren]

i play sub

[slim hamlet]

U are melee

[lament warren]

because sin is trolling

[slim hamlet]

U can just move

[lament warren]

the passive node is better

and its called mayhem

[queen cosmos]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xZVjFfTnvhMw718Q#fight=30&type=summary

[limber lion]

"I run 3 poisons" =/= "I play Sub"

[lament warren]

yeah

[storm onyx]

We do, even when we aren’t supposed to lol

[slim hamlet]

Yeah i love using havoc on a 3 hp add

[lament warren]

1. instant poison
2. mind-numbing poison
3. melee dps poison

[slim hamlet]

Yeah ranged and healer issue

[lament warren]

tbh

i just dont look at talent trees enough to know u can't run dtb and kb

[slim hamlet]

Beuh6

Bruh

[lament warren]

i just pick whatever sims best

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim hamlet]

Bruh

[lament warren]

not my problem

[slim hamlet]

Bruh

Thats how u treat outlaw talents

Not sin

☹️

[lament warren]

that'show i treat every talent for every class

i don' tneed to know what these nodes do i just need to press buttons the right way

[slim hamlet]

How u press button right if u dont know what button do

[lament warren]

just do

[slim hamlet]

[lament warren]

[slim hamlet]

Mine is cooler

[lament warren]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[slim hamlet]

Get fuckd

[lament warren]

who

[little light]

me hopefully

[slim hamlet]

"WhO asKEd"

[lament warren]

asked

[slim hamlet]

Xdd

[lament warren]

but that's the thing

u still got got

[slim hamlet]

How

I got got by getting u got?

[lament warren]

yep

idk im getting got by the character creation menu rn

hes kinda cute

😊

[slim hamlet]

Kinda want a dwarf or night elf

Every EU guild still horde tho

[lament warren]

if ur not hof it doesnt matter

[slim hamlet]

No

[sonic spindle]

I have a random question, when do you re-bone spike a target. I used to just put it up at the start to get the dot, but looking at logs, other people cast it like a dozen times.

[slim hamlet]

But cant be in guild

And chat

Unless u use some weird addon

[limber lion]

Yeah just use it at low cp, low energy.

You want to use all charges

[ashen rover]

hello! i was wondering, what's the best phial for m+? I've been running glacial fury but it's a bit expensive so was wondering if vers was also good/better ?

[rare jackal]

vers is goated

[ashen rover]

and it's so cheap!!

I'll go with it I think

[rigid comet]

Guys unless the boss is dying immediately after and it wont be possible to use them together, should i always save exsang for the 4 min deathmark?

[lament warren]

ya

[slim zephyr]

Hello all, I'm new on Assa, I saw that I "DO NOT EXSANGUINATE DURING DEATHMARK" but does that mean that I can Deathmark during Exsa ?

[ashen rover]

Yes (and you should)

[little light]

yeah you exsa then dm

[slim zephyr]

Okay now It's good to know, thank you vm !

[storm onyx]

Use it every cycle, keep it at 2 charges for low energy/cp situations. Its our most efficient builder. You just don't want to keep it at 3, thats lost casts then.

[little light]

in the rotation* is right after *opener

[balmy condor]

openers do that

[merry zenith]

yoyo, after doing some research by the look of things people who were saying that sin will be goated in both st and aoe cleave were high af, 4 target cleave seems about 30k below sub comparing todays sub and ptr sin, am i missing something?

[frigid pilot]

Furry evokers untouched 10.05 but outlaw nerfed

[grim jay]

Might be only my opinion, but in that case 4 targets is more aoe than cleave

[dark token]

Sin is crying

[little light]

dafuq is that chart anyway

[frigid pilot]

95th 1 week mythic

[little light]

question remains 😛

[frigid pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#dataset=95&sample=7

[grim jay]

Dunno like

[frigid pilot]

They gotto be less trigger happy with changes tbh

Sin got changed insta for what reason?

[little light]

Those bars doesnt really represent the state of the specs is what I mean

[frigid pilot]

Oh no the sims the sims

Exsang 45 sec cd = malding

[grim jay]

Crying. Not sims

[ashen rover]

LMFAO

[little light]

I mean I'll rather take sims for class balance

[frigid pilot]

Who cried about sin being good

[little light]

than whoever 10 guilds do with their mythic kills

[grim jay]

Most other classes

[frigid pilot]

Maybe they lost on heroic st and started calling mommy Blizz

[slim hamlet]

U coping harder than Whispyr

[grim jay]

The issue was nerfing sin while buffing the others. For heroic week anyways. If you look at ST only, sin still up there but dk and bm are big-ish outliers as far as logs go

[frigid pilot]

Yeah dk buffed

Same as pvp, rogue is like 9th spec and yet nerfed but dh barely got hit and dk untouched

[grim jay]

As far as sims go. The site even isnt that well optimized for all specs tho. For example the template for sin doesnt seem optimal, but it gives an idea

[frigid pilot]

Are you color blind how are the colors different from my version

[balmy condor]

I thought my vision was blurry for a second

Feeling like @spice spire with the color blindness

[jade abyss]

You cant nerf the sneezeclass

[balmy condor]

Druids fucking red and shit

[spice spire]

Bro why

[grim jay]

Thats like

The site

[balmy condor]

No it’s not

[grim jay]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T29_Raid.html

It literally is

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It has the spec colors

The way god intended

No fucking clue what’s happening on your screen

But that’s cursed man

[grim jay]

What is that weird shit

Help

[balmy condor]

Wdym what is that weird shit

Name the classes these colors belong to

I fucking cant

[royal lantern]

are you really complaining that devestation is not pure dogshit now?

[balmy condor]

I go death knight and then it’s like mage shaman evoker hunter

But idk in what order

[royal lantern]

like, dev evoker was so bad, its was not even funny anymore

now its good and people cry aswell

cant make this shit up

[balmy condor]

Huh?

Devoker was never bad

Who said that

[spice spire]

They got their externals (very rare items) now

[balmy condor]

It was a solid middle of the pack spec for all of beta testing, and even the start of launch

Just fine

And then they got their items

And now they’re cranking

At no point were they bad

[slim hamlet]

being middle of the pack for a new spec prob means the class is quite good

[balmy condor]

Historically speaking evoker launched as the weakest of any new class

But yeah

[slim hamlet]

thats just cuz all the other specs have been op

[balmy condor]

What

[bitter turret]

aesthetically what do you peeps think looks better worgen rogue or void elf? 🙂

i'd be going male

[slim hamlet]

afaik dh and dk was op on launch

[royal lantern]

ye

[slim hamlet]

and monk become op after a while

[balmy condor]

And monk was good too

That’s why I said

Evoker launched the weakest

[slim hamlet]

Yea

ofc weakest when its not op compared

is what i mean

idk if I am englishing

[balmy condor]

But then why this

[royal lantern]

male worgen has 1 of the best stealth animations ingame cus it actually looks like stealth

male velf is the male belf modle

lmao

crabwalk stealth

[slim hamlet]

well

Usually in games like lol and stuff

when new champs come out they always start with low wr because people dont know it yet

Should be same on stuff like this

[balmy condor]

I see

[royal lantern]

eh, not always

[slim hamlet]

full potential maybe not there

[lament warren]

dk sham mage evoker sham dh hunter priest mage dh dk shaman rogue shaman warrior rogue

[spice spire]

It was a six button class

[balmy condor]

Not really quite the same

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

But kinda

[spice spire]

Hard to escape the simplicity

[lament warren]

i was wrong

one was warlock

[bitter turret]

I was thinking with the mog it could be some super raggy clothes and weapons

kinda how jpc does his dwarf

[royal lantern]

i mean

wanna do the old trick? @bitter turret

[balmy condor]

League champions are released after like 1 week on test realms where you have to play against bots and losers for no gain

[royal lantern]

take a coin, head is worgen, tails is velf

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I know

[balmy condor]

Evoker had 6 months of beta and alpha feedback and theorycrafting behind it

[bitter turret]

true ty 🙂

[slim hamlet]

All i meant was that maybe they are not 100% on everything and even then people dont have muscle memory yet

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess

[slim hamlet]

I know its not same game

[normal mist]

The only cool thing about dog is the stealth animation, everything else is cringe

[royal lantern]

if you think "oh damm, didnt want that" on the result, you have your answer

[grim jay]

It literally was samsung browser. Fine on chrome

[royal lantern]

thats why a coin toss is always the best on decisions like that

[balmy condor]

Whack

[normal mist]

Assuming he has coins

[royal lantern]

you forgot 400MS and no matchmaking

[balmy condor]

You forgot ligma

[royal lantern]

and the fact that riot loves to overtune new stuff anyway cus they wanna sell it, and if its not overtuned they just buff it fast

[royal lantern]

whats ligma

[balmy condor]

Ligma kayle

[royal lantern]

but i wanted your balls

[balmy condor]

Riot august shitposting on tiktok

Is top content btw

[lament warren]

kayle is the best league champ ever made so

please buff her

[slim hamlet]

agreed

[royal lantern]

thats like, your opinion man

[royal lantern]

i love auto winning after 25min cus the enemy team didnt finish fast enough

[spice spire]

Phrasing?

[slim hamlet]

thats so many champs tho

[lusty surge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[burnt latch]

League in #assassination old whispyr would never let this happen smh

[spice spire]

I never said Grats mister warcieft so congrats

[balmy condor]

I always finish fast enough

[spice spire]

Old whispyr would do what he just did

[burnt latch]

Thabk u sir

[balmy condor]

Oh did pogcieft kill

Gratz

[burnt latch]

Yeah we killed sunday

[spice spire]

What wr did korruptio hit?

[balmy condor]

That’s a baaaaaaaat

[burnt latch]

i think around 30 ish

[spice spire]

Congrats homie

[burnt latch]

It changes depending on where u look so its weird, wlogs seems most accurate idk

[spice spire]

Hard final boss, proud of the Bajs

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[spice spire]

Kurog prog check

[balmy condor]

5 heal on the horizon

[spice spire]

God bless

[burnt latch]

Whats more impressive is that we recleared the whole raid last night in less than 4 hours, i was expecting a full shit show with demon alts being involved

[balmy condor]

Also benched our off tank

That’s kinda yikes

[burnt latch]

Raz down in 3 pulls

[balmy condor]

But 5 heal

[spice spire]

You have a backup?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

That’s huge

[normal mist]

Yeah yeah absolutely, I've played or had a rogue alt as every race and by far the ones i disliked then most were worgen and goblin

[lament warren]

gz

[balmy condor]

Guess we’ll have to have a backup else we ain’t raiding

[lament warren]

im otw

[balmy condor]

Idk what the plan is

[burnt latch]

To get benched as a tank u must’ve done something horrible

[slim hamlet]

just tank it and use evasion

[balmy condor]

But I assume we wouldn’t bench a tank without a backup

[spice spire]

Idk man, I saw the bit

[balmy condor]

Missing taunts, not rallying when assigned, floor pov

[burnt latch]

Yeah that’ll do it

[spice spire]

Literally 0/3

On the three jobs

[slim hamlet]

did any other guilds have issues on mythic terros, where tanks would randomly pull aggro from each other

dmg the same and stuff

[lament warren]

ye

[slim hamlet]

just randomly the line goes on other tank

[lament warren]

warr will pull from dk

with good shield slam rng

[slim hamlet]

was warr and pala

[lament warren]

ya

[royal lantern]

warrior overtuned dmg, dk low dmg

[slim hamlet]

sameish dmg

[balmy condor]

Too busy watching my off tank run into spikes to worry about aggro

[lament warren]

warr will pull from pala too

[spice spire]

Same shit

[grim jay]

And I thought he did something really horrible like talking about scaling

[lament warren]

xd

[slim hamlet]

same dmg I SAID

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[lament warren]

why are u reeing

its whats happening

????

[slim hamlet]

but

[balmy condor]

Tyran doesn’t read English

[slim hamlet]

its not like warrior just pulls because its warrior

[spice spire]

Burst vs flat damage buddy

[slim hamlet]

if its same dmg its same dmg

[royal lantern]

huh

[lament warren]

warrior does just pull because it's warrior

actually

they just do that

[royal lantern]

he didnt mean me whisp

[spice spire]

Honest reflex

[balmy condor]

You were the reason for the ree

[spice spire]

Can you blame him?

[cloud moat]

https://i.gyazo.com/da514b30e34e55e6539cc60a7ecce3fd.png

[burnt latch]

We had our 402 ilvl m+ tank on terros last night with our 419 ilvl main tank and that was happening a lot on terros

[royal lantern]

no

i cant

[cloud moat]

dont worry guys Assa is the prime singletarget spec

[burnt latch]

But i have a feeling that wasnt a bug

[cloud moat]

pic is of Terros Mythic

[slim hamlet]

Sometimes I love playing this game

[burnt latch]

Oh how i miss week 1 assa

[grim jay]

You know what you can ? Tell me about SnD Design

[balmy condor]

RC nerf looking real justified atm

[burnt latch]

Doing 10k more dps than the next guy on terros

[lapis mirage]

hows the next patch impecting assa?

[balmy condor]

Hardly at all

[lapis mirage]

in st AND keys

mkay

[cloud moat]

Keys more build possibilities

[balmy condor]

Our single target build goes from 90k to 90k

[spice spire]

Tbh Terros is a weird fight ive seen.
Many many people play it wrong or do weird lineups, which is fine because like. Brain hard during prog

[lapis mirage]

can't really be mad at that

[balmy condor]

And in m+ you play dtb+ic instead of kb+ic

And does the same damage

[burnt latch]

this is week 1 terros

[spice spire]

6:00 kill? Line at 4, two caster on your three minutes
6:30, full send and three caster

[balmy condor]

(The Build didn’t change at all )

[frigid pilot]

Why does it hurt to love sin playstyle but hate that it’s worse than sub and outlaw overall in raid

[spice spire]

10k over other sin rogue

[lapis mirage]

if it doenst change damage, why move away from KB

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

Didnt we go from slightly below 90 to slightly above 90 ?

[burnt latch]

tier sets do be like that

[balmy condor]

Cause KB moving makes KB shit

[slim hamlet]

week 2

[spice spire]

We’re you 4p already?

[lapis mirage]

woaw okay. thanks blizz

[frigid pilot]

Rip KN

[balmy condor]

KB was carried from good pathing

[frigid pilot]

KB

[lapis mirage]

why did they make this weirdo change