assassination

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

[nocturne current]

@gusty mirage If you worked corporate anytime you know how shitty the metrics are at multi-billion dollars for pretty much anything

[gusty mirage]

cope with the execute damage

[gusty mirage]

I worked for a multi billion dollar insurance company

[slim hamlet]

Still kinda malding about the patch

[gusty mirage]

in law school

and they had metrics for EVERYTHING

[slim hamlet]

It seemed fun at the start

More u think about it its just sucky

[vestal wren]

yes, but not every metric is relevant for balancing

i assume player engagement/etc is tracked a lot

[slim hamlet]

idek wtf metric means

[royal lantern]

noooo, havoc dh is not that good, just look at wowlogs!

what? its litearlly top in st/aoe/cleave/sustained and burst dps, and only looks somewhat worse cus the average dh still plays like its a eyebeam Simulation??? noooo, dh is just bad

[marble hemlock]

I think most multi billion dollar companies have become multi billion dollar companies in the first place because they realized how important accurate metrics for basically every work process are

[nocturne current]

Mine just throws $$$ at them when it doesn't work, and it's S&P 100 .

[slim hamlet]

So

When people say they work at multi billion dollar companies

[gusty mirage]

bro they had me spend 3 weeks researching on how to optimize cost of emergency room coverage lol

[slim hamlet]

are they just mcdonalds cashiers?

[royal lantern]

i think most multi billion dollar companies have become multi billion companies because they made multiple billions of dollars

[gusty mirage]

I got to find all the little loopholes to deny ER coverage

it was cool

really helps me sleep at night

[slim hamlet]

Tryan is actually omegabrain

[brazen zodiac]

oh god

[slim hamlet]

sometimes suprises me

[royal lantern]

smort

[vestal wren]

fair but again, the data they gather is from players

it is only observations, no predictions

you can make trends from it

[gusty mirage]

plus with the way WCL is run

my god

[slim hamlet]

idk man

Seems weird the way they sometimes tune

[gusty mirage]

it's just annoying

[vestal wren]

a lot of factors come into play over time

like tier sets

etc.

[slim hamlet]

why did they omega nerf AV and RLP while letting HoV stand strong

[gusty mirage]

they give us 3% DR from the actual boss

[slim hamlet]

Even tho HoV was just as low of a timed dungeon in higher keys

[gusty mirage]

and think that its enough to justify a rogue

despite damage tuning

lmao

[nocturne current]

I guess they tune in ahead of shit we have no clue of even, that's comming, most of times.

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't worry to much

[slim hamlet]

people were crying about AV and RLP but not so much HoV

[gusty mirage]

WAHOOO 3% LESS ON THAT 160K TICKING DAMAGE

oh wait

[vestal wren]

from people i talked to

[gusty mirage]

it's environmental

atrophic does nothing

[slim hamlet]

I def think they look at what the community says too

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[royal lantern]

im sure its the least timed key with AV lol

[slim hamlet]

It was 2nd lowest with AV under it

and RLP a bit more timed

this being 20 and up

[tacit otter]

Can anyone take a look at this? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/16BAVPH4ngFJ7jyX#fight=1&type=summary&source=11

[woeful wigeon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

a lot of HoV's problems is timer tbh

[slim hamlet]

I agree

[brittle burrow]

!whispyr

[gusty mirage]

you pull around the dogshit trash

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

vs RLP

[slim hamlet]

U almost never disband in that dungeon

timer is just real REAL tight

[gusty mirage]

where you could only skip big fire dragon

fort grievous infernals

[slim hamlet]

But that was also the reason people cried about AV and RLP

On reddit and so on

[brittle burrow]

You can create a log review thread with the command !log

[slim hamlet]

But not so much HoV

Which is my point

[royal lantern]

remember how HoV was absolute shit during legion cus the timer was way to close, they buffed the timer by 6min and it was ok, and now gave us the old timer again?

[slim hamlet]

I doubt they only look at numbers

[gusty mirage]

blizzard has never made mistakes in their life

how dare you

remember conduit energy?

[thorn fjord]

jYou're trolling?

[gusty mirage]

what a success that was

[gusty mirage]

why would he be trolling

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Jesus christ they rolled back the timer?

WHY

[gusty mirage]

of course they did

[royal lantern]

yes

[royal lantern]

we have release HoV timer rn

[nocturne current]

But it's true, Atrophic has to be the most lamest designed class design thing ever, of all the things it could have done, give Rogue a defensive ability (whut/why)

[royal lantern]

and the release timer was changed multiple times cus it was to close

[slim hamlet]

Surely it gets hotfixed next reset

[tacit otter]

!log

[royal lantern]

and now release timer again(its to close)

[gusty mirage]

because we all wanted smokebomb back

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

but they gave it to DH

unlucky

[nocturne current]

Yep

[tacit otter]

ty

[gusty mirage]

because you could never have more than 1 class bringing the same ability amirite?

[slim hamlet]

Hey Atrophic is enough for 99% of raid leader to think u are essential

[slim hamlet]

Ill take it

[gusty mirage]

not like mages, evokers, shaman, and hunters bring lust

[brittle burrow]

Np now you wait until the big brains start looking at it.

[nocturne current]

That's why Honor Among Thieves was coolz

[slim hamlet]

Make shiv effect atrophic poison

Surely that will make spec fun to play

[gusty mirage]

the tricks damage amp was cool as fuck in wrath too

but now its a pvp talent for some reason

[nocturne current]

Yeah Rogue, damage class, damage buff, only makes sense

[thorn fjord]

the cdr one they had was kinda cool

[nocturne current]

• gave me a reason to actually use tricks

[gusty mirage]

they could just give a dif flavor of prey on the weak

where a crit applies a prey-style debuff on the boss

bam

raid utility

or are DH and monk the only ones allowed to buff other peoples' damage?

[royal lantern]

i say it again aswell: the "4 new and 4 old dungeons each patch for m+, we rotate trough them" desicion was really fking stupid cus blizzard is WAY TO SLOW to fix problems with dungeons, and when they get fixed you have 1-2months left and they get replaced with dungeons that will be overtuned bullshit again

[slim hamlet]

How about something that debuffs the target like monk and dh. Which gives everyone 3% extra dmg as bleed or something

Like we cut em open

and then everyone else has easier time slicing it more open

very smart

[gusty mirage]

how about we get one called Influenza and you sneeze on the boss

giving them the flu

[slim hamlet]

very class fantasy

[thorn fjord]

agreed it would have felt better doing like 5 new 3 old or 6 new 2 old

[royal lantern]

cant wait HoV to get made managable, just to be replaced with brackenhide 3weeks later(you now need a priest healer+druid dps+druid dps+druid tank for disease dispells or you cant do the dungeon)

[gusty mirage]

no it wouldn't have

[thorn fjord]

Covid*

[slim hamlet]

Hold up

[gusty mirage]

fuck the both of you for wishing brackenhide and halls of infusion on us

[slim hamlet]

I just cooked this up as kind of a joke

but i kinda like it

[gusty mirage]

that's a felony brother

[thorn fjord]

You'd rather do vault of the wardens?

[slim hamlet]

Fuck me

[slow marsh]

yuck

[gusty mirage]

yes

100%

[slim hamlet]

HUHHHH

Nah oxi

u dont exist

you are not a real person

[gusty mirage]

than brackenhide?

[thorn fjord]

thats based lol

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

ARE YOU HIGH?

YOU'D RATHER DO BRACKENHIDE?

[slim hamlet]

VAULT OF THE WARDENS

[gusty mirage]

bro

[slim hamlet]

VAULT

[thorn fjord]

Id rather Infusion over vault

[slim hamlet]

OF

THE

WARDENS

[gusty mirage]

I sat in VotW

[nocturne current]

Imagine if Rogue would just bring you extra chance at gear drop.

[gusty mirage]

for 10 fucking days for that stupid trinket

I legit did 90 runs

in 1 week

it's FINE

[slim hamlet]

Im so sorry for you

nah

it sucks ass

dont cope

[gusty mirage]

okay

I'm going to message you next season

[slow marsh]

vault was chill with friends

[gusty mirage]

ask how you're enjoying brackenhide

[slim hamlet]

My opinion is objective and nothing else matters

[gusty mirage]

the random shit knocking you out of stealth

the bosses on tyran

LMFAO

HAHAHA

y'all though nokhud and RLP was bad?

well hold my beer

[slim hamlet]

Surely that isnt a thing by that point

[gusty mirage]

true

[nocturne current]

HOI wave corridor being after 80% of the dungeon is just meme material.

[gusty mirage]

they for sure fixed the relics in season 3 knocking us out of stealth even though we weren't in combat

[nocturne current]

Gonna love the amount of tears shed after playing perfect the first 80% of dungeon

And someone getting waved

[gusty mirage]

so much toxicity is going to spawn in that 2 minutes of the dungeon

it's going to be wonderful

yall thought we have a tank shortage now?

[thorn fjord]

Healer shortage is a bigger issue

The way i feel it at least

[royal lantern]

how about we give all 3 rogue specs utility, assa can use shiv for more raid deffensive instead of dmg(thats good, trust me) sub can use shroud for movment speed(worse druid roar/speed totem? wdym, its good!) and outlaw can reduce party member spell cd(its not broken, guy said its weak)

think thats a cool idea

[spice spire]

What is he cooking

[gusty mirage]

yeah because they all deleted their characters in the first 2 weeks

[slim hamlet]

Also for reference

[gusty mirage]

banger season start

to make healers hate their lives

[slim hamlet]

I think brackenhide will omega giga ultra hard suck

[gusty mirage]

esp after the healing nerf that came before live

lmfao

[slim hamlet]

But vault of the wardens man

no shot

[gusty mirage]

nerf healing + GRIEVOUS THEN BURSTING

WAHOO

[royal lantern]

i want a full bullshit m+ season next patch

go blizzard, Brackenhide, Halls of Infusion, Seat of the Triumvate, Cathedral, Shrine of the Storms, Alliance Siege of Boralus, MoP Dungeon with the 2hour Wall bomb section(bombs dont scale with level, you need to kill adds manualy)

DO IT COWARDS

[strange python]

Neltharus is going to be Lowkey the nightmare, watch.

[gusty mirage]

do you want me to kill myself?

[strange python]

That dungeon reeks of "this boss seems simple and it's mechanics all 1shot everyone for 6 weeks until we nerf it too late"

[royal lantern]

neltharus has so much aoe dmg, its ridicolous

[storm onyx]

We uses to have armor debuff in classic if i remember right , don’t miss it at all tbh

[gusty mirage]

I'll just drive in front of a semi truck on the way home bro

it's fine

don't make others suffer

[strange python]

Neltharus will 10000000000000% be the new AV

[gusty mirage]

oh it'll be a blast

[royal lantern]

you mean the armor debuff finisher, that they gave monk as a full passive?

🙂

[slim hamlet]

What a hero

[gusty mirage]

no he means the debuff that we never got to use because it inted sunder armor stacks for warriors

and thats how they kept threat

[strange python]

Everyone expects bracken to get nerfed and I bet bracken will be tuned in advance to avoid the memes. But Neltharus will be impossible

[wooden mortar]

omg pls no

[royal lantern]

you mean "Bracken will be nerfed after 4 weeks, and Neltharus will be ignored like HoV gets ignored rn"

[spice spire]

HoV isn’t bad

It’s the timer that’s bad

[royal lantern]

HoV needs more timer

[strange python]

I'd put $50 on bracken getting a pre-release nerf to avoid memes about balance

[royal lantern]

or keep the timer and cut all RP

[strange python]

Odyn is bullshit fuck hov

[royal lantern]

instantly 3 min more cus of it

[strange python]

The ticking damage on the brands is unreasonable. Fenrir without a cancel is unreasonable.

[gusty mirage]

BUT MY IMMERSION

[royal lantern]

and why did they have to give fenryr a new mechanic that just chunks everyone for 90%hp

[storm onyx]

Yea

[royal lantern]

when fenryr allready has a endless dot

that hits like crazy

[spice spire]

Yeah I failed a hilarious amount of HoV last week within 2 minutes because of RP

[storm onyx]

Oh right, that

[spice spire]

I love having to force outlaw for a boss

[gusty mirage]

oh, going to skovald with less than 7 minutes?

try again next key bud

[dreamy gull]

https://i.imgur.com/nyWTiBl.png should i have anything else on my stealth bar

[royal lantern]

you will see your limits in patience when you have 5min left in HoV and NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I TOO HAVE PRUVEN MY WURTH ODEEEEN starts

[strange python]

I'm honestly tired of outlaw being the hero spec for pve.

[royal lantern]

that shit breaks a man

[spice spire]

M+*

It’s had it’s day in the dirt for raid

[gusty mirage]

well like

[spice spire]

By comparison

[gusty mirage]

7/8 bosses have cleave

so

he's right

lol

[strange python]

I'm also annoyed that our moonkin doesn't have to do dathea adds but both our rogues were made to go outlaw for them.

[spice spire]

But m+ it’s always just

[spice spire]

[dreamy gull]

when i started playing outlaw was bad i remember hearing

like around shadowlands or something

[strange python]

We private log or I'd show you.

[dreamy gull]

i only played a tiny bit then though

[gusty mirage]

I'm annoyed I had to full swap to adds on sennarth while our uhdk got to sit boss the entire time

[strange python]

When I suggested one of us go sin and the boomie did platforms I was mocked

[gusty mirage]

and still did garbage dps

[spice spire]

I refuse to believe rls are silly

[gusty mirage]

when an uhdk can solo the 3rd spider by themself

weird

[strange python]

Bro we're HoF too lol

On 10 hour no OT

[gusty mirage]

god bless

[oak sky]

I dont see a reason for any player to not swap tbh

[gusty mirage]

fried RLs and HoF guilds, name a more iconic duo

[oak sky]

Its just stupid

[nocturne current]

Since we're in raid leader cry mode, I have to do Staff in broodmother as Sin.

[gusty mirage]

oh

I agree

[oak sky]

Like we should swap

The dk should swap

Everyone

[gusty mirage]

because that spider

is legit the only thing that wipes you on that boss

but ya know

[royal lantern]

mythic?

[oak sky]

That and dumb deaths

[gusty mirage]

yep

we one shot spooder

[nocturne current]

I wish, still far, just heroic

[gusty mirage]

despite my best kirbyau impression

[royal lantern]

atleast on HC i do staff cus otherwhise i fall asleep on that fight

[strange python]

Our RL is genuinely very good outside of this weird thing

[gusty mirage]

your RL lets you do the staff?

[royal lantern]

broodkeeper without staff on hc is so boring

[oak sky]

Lol im definitely getting assigned to adds

[royal lantern]

legit patchwerk fight

[oak sky]

I can already predict it

[gusty mirage]

lmao I was told to sit on the boss

and do damage

HBO Max stonks rising in my household on that fight

[strange python]

Most RLs seem to have an enormous outlaw bias it's really annoying.

[royal lantern]

i mean, im still #1 boss dmg by far

[gusty mirage]

because they read tier lists and watch max videos

[spice spire]

Yo you watching the last of us too?

Huge

[oak sky]

They only look at top damage logs

[gusty mirage]

haven't started actually

[winter hawk]

Hey guys, after using Puzzle (just before or after deathmark), do you then use it on CD and it'll eventually line up again?

[spice spire]

Recommend it

[strange python]

We had to spend most of our dathea prog holding DPS on infusers which would have made sub the better dathea spec but noooooooo

[spice spire]

Similar to game but has its own adaptation of things. First episode very good, but 90 minutes

[oak sky]

Every tier is the same story, rl tells us our damage doesnt matter

[gusty mirage]

depends on the fight timer, but it's usually better to hold it to sync it with deathmark

[royal lantern]

most people get their perception of classes/specs in m+, and m+ is full with yahtzee pirates that press bladeflurry once and then do 3000000k dps 🙂

[gusty mirage]

they aint doing 30000000k dps brother

[winter hawk]

Ok cool, I had been doing that anyways - ty!

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[frozen iris]

Is there a log review channel?

[strange python]

Outlaw looks really good on overall logs but the damage is overwhelmingly irrelevant for most prog fights

!logs

[gusty mirage]

if you type !log it'll create a thread for you

like that ^

[strange python]

Stick it there

I'm genuinely annoyed at having to play outlaw on dathea when we hold DPS on infusers

It defeats the point of outlaw

If we just want the platform burst lemme give em the big sectech

[fading wigeon]

But outlaw doesn't have any cooldowns to hold. What are they expecting you to hold??

[gusty mirage]

that's actually hilarious

[fading wigeon]

I'm confused

AR and BR aren't combustion lol

[strange python]

Not hold CDs

Remove blade flurry so we don't kill it too fast

[fading wigeon]

Oh

[strange python]

Need the platform to actually be selected before we kill it

Or else we go random

[fading wigeon]

That makes even less sense. So why playoutlaw at all

So confused lol

[strange python]

3 kills on that boss and I'm still having to play outlaw

[fleet imp]

HELP!
I am stressed
I have normal eranog ring already

[runic basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Our DK memes our rogues for doing bad dath damage too

Infuriating

[royal lantern]

meme on them for having 0 mobility

[gusty mirage]

grab pants, catalyze next week

[royal lantern]

and ask them why they dont get into m+ keys as dps

[gusty mirage]

normal eggnog ring to mythic is probablyw ay less dps than having bis ilvl tier pants

[strange python]

Our DK just tanks for keys

Cause why wouldn't you

[fleet imp]

I am stressed

[gusty mirage]

I don't blame you

you can have my vaults instead if you want

where you unhappily take the least shitty option

[fleet imp]

sim wise aoe or ST is around 500 in favour of ring

[gusty mirage]

because they're not shitty enough to take the socket

but shitty enough to regret not taking the socket

[frozen iris]

I just posted my character should I be posting specific logs? Or is what I posted just fine?

[fleet imp]

[oak sky]

Dk antimobility kinda broken this tier tho

[gusty mirage]

but yea

thats a tough one

that ring is giga good

just run a droptimizer for mythic and see what the dps dif for the rings are

just guesstimating it's probably less than 19 ilvl to pants

it's also a now vs next week kinda thing

[strange python]

The log

[gusty mirage]

do you want the damage now, or do you wanna wait?

[fleet imp]

sims are in favour of ring

[gusty mirage]

then yea

ez ring

[fleet imp]

500-600 dps both st or m+

but avoidance

[gusty mirage]

chances of getting 421 (or 415 pants from raid)

[fleet imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

[strange python]

I say ring

[gusty mirage]

are probably higher than getting that ring

[oak sky]

Where are there legs again

[strange python]

Difference between 415 and 421 pants are small. And you can get 421 legs again

[oak sky]

Besides sennarth

[strange python]

You may never see the mythic ring again

[gusty mirage]

you could always run heroic first boss and try to minimize that gain to take the pants @fleet imp

[fleet imp]

took it into consideration already

I am stressed

[strange python]

Ring

[fleet imp]

I need that avoidance

[strange python]

You won't notice the avoidance

You'll notice 1600 dps

[fleet imp]

its 600 dps

and can lower it to probably 300ish with a hc ring

[gusty mirage]

wanna trade

[fleet imp]

I have weap already thx for offer tho

[gusty mirage]

that one's special though

it's the only dagger that's terrible for all 3 specs

[strange python]

Haste vers?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[fleet imp]

[subtle tundra]

i also got haste vers weapon today...

424 though

[strange python]

I bet you also don't have to play outlaw on week 3 of dathea farm

[subtle tundra]

ofc i wouldnt

i'd play sub

[nocturne current]

We're losing Varas to the blue side

[lusty surge]

Take the avoidance for keys

[gusty mirage]

twinning

[potent mauve]

How good are the 10.05 changes for assassination? I'm a sub/outlaw baby and haven't tried assassination yet.

[umbral adder]

Does anyone have or know of a WA that simply tracks the SND/bleeds & not a full rotationshowcase?

[slim hamlet]

Well

"Good" as in dmg, then nothing much changed

We lose a raid build and gain a m+ build

And I guess we also have a capstone for council now

[potent mauve]

Oh, I thought 10.05 was all upside. We lose a raid build?

[slim hamlet]

Yeah KB doesnt exist

[strange python]

KB IC build was strong for council like fights

[slim hamlet]

its 6% worse than DTB after changes 🙂

[slim hamlet]

KB wasnt taken on council

[rain oyster]

Y’all get weapons or gear??!?!

[strange python]

KB will now only potentially have value for very specific prio damage and timings, like rasz shield. I'd be surprised though if even DTB wasn't still better though

[slim hamlet]

I get sockets

[strange python]

Real? Tbh I just play sub

[slim hamlet]

I played sub after 2nd week too

[rain oyster]

I’ve been hard stuck 409 for 3 weeks

[slim hamlet]

actually vibing compared to sin

[potent mauve]

Oh, how did they nerf KB?

[oak sky]

You just went a full aoe build on council

[slim hamlet]

Just the placement

Makes it real bad

[oak sky]

Sbs is just better than kb for 4 target

[strange python]

Aka: black powder

[slim hamlet]

The reason KB was good before was because it had good talents leading up to it

[royal lantern]

dont give me hope

[slim hamlet]

I am still suprised its a whole 6%

I thought the person who told me were trolling/baiting first time I heard it

[oak sky]

Chill on bro

[feral rivet]

I feel you, 410 for 3 weeks here and now lowest ilvl in the raidteam by ~3ilvl

[royal lantern]

no, you see, you also use secret tech, just how you use it on 1 target, 2targets, 8targets and 300targets aswell

[slim hamlet]

Havnt gotten loot outside of vault last 3 weeks either

[strange python]

Lol I had to argue with my RL that council is a sub fight then promptly topped it

[slim hamlet]

danse macabre and sectech is the only thing making that spec not residentsleeper

It still is the vibe spec of the 3 tho

at least m+

[royal lantern]

bruh, you slam sec tech on cd aswell

[slim hamlet]

Yes

Dont u slam anything on any rogue spec on cd?

[fleet imp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak sky]

I mean sort of

[royal lantern]

all dps specs slam on cd

[slim hamlet]

Besides holding exsang I suppose

[feral rivet]

Not exsang depending on fight length

[royal lantern]

on like, everyone

[oak sky]

Arcane

[subtle tundra]

so does double sophic devotion work correctly?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[subtle tundra]

wat it do?

more buff uptime?

[slim hamlet]

Why are u a fish

[feral rivet]

And like, i wouldn't slam kb/dm late during intermission phase on kurog either if i was allowed to play sin there

[slim hamlet]

with a hat

too distracting

[subtle tundra]

please no asking

just answering

[balmy condor]

Doubles the agi you get

[subtle tundra]

oh

coolstar

[royal lantern]

buff stronger

not more uptime

[slim hamlet]

ofc

this isnt holding tho

That would just be stupid

[strange python]

Progging it or farm? Sin is insane at the major pain point of progging this fight - execute

[feral rivet]

Progging, rl asked me to play outlaw but said ill prolly play sin next time as were close to kill for more execute

Im the only rogue

[subtle tundra]

thats... not how it works

you dont care about execute

kurog is not an execute fight

also wtf kb on kurog

[strange python]

Phase 3 is incredibly tight

[subtle tundra]

yea which is timer based not % based

[strange python]

And unless your cleave specs are bad, add damage is never a concern

[subtle tundra]

the whole fight

is timer based

[strange python]

Yes, but the last 30% are the hardest part.

[subtle tundra]

so you care about your dps overall

not in the last 30%

[slim hamlet]

The real gigachads play sub on kurog

[subtle tundra]

buddy the last 30% will be 29% if you do more during the rest of the fight

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure 30% is 30%

[strange python]

The last phase is overwhelmingly around execute damage

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[strange python]

Frost phase is the most dangerous

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAA

THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

[strange python]

Dude we understand there's a timer. This isn't complicated

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[strange python]

But the pain point of the fight timing overwhelmingly lines up with execute

[vestal wren]

some of the talent import strings are like this

[spice spire]

He’s just posting his insane builds

Dw

[strange python]

Just because it's not percent enrage doesn't mean the timer doesn't line up with percent enrage threshold

[subtle tundra]

HOW DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN EXECUTE

[slim hamlet]

I unironically was confused why he linked a tree for 1 split second

[strange python]

You clearly fucking don't. How do I have to explain English

[subtle tundra]

clearly

[slim hamlet]

Sorry to tell you but Varas is right this time

[subtle tundra]

you sure do know how the fight works

[strange python]

He's not.

[slim hamlet]

I hate to say it

He is

[spice spire]

Can we not today boys

[subtle tundra]

its not quantum mechanics to understand why execute doesnt matter

on kurog

[spice spire]

Take it to dms, a hotel room, I do not care

[strange python]

If you're walking into frost zone at 50% it's a wipe. You will not kill that boss if you're going into frost above 35%

[subtle tundra]

buddy

[strange python]

Frost is the only part of the fight with any difficulty

[feral rivet]

We got to last phase twice yesterday at 28% both times, only had 70min raid tho cause someone stole our id but eventually left...

[subtle tundra]

you do you

[strange python]

Speeding that portion up is a boon

[slim hamlet]

Is it?

[strange python]

Your response to an actual argument is to spew all your chromosomes on the keyboard.

[subtle tundra]

its actually the easiet

[slim hamlet]

Thought earth shit was supposed to be the hardest

[subtle tundra]

no healing requirements

[strange python]

Which tracks for a varas argument

[subtle tundra]

you just dodge three times

its basically patchwork

[vital haven]

ehh not saying i agree with varas but is it really?

[strange python]

Maybe it's just me but I've never heard of a guild struggling with any phase but the transition for intermission 1 or the frost phase

[subtle tundra]

earth is the hardest by a lot

[vital haven]

earth phase is prob the hardest one

frost is free imo

[slim hamlet]

I mean if frost is truly much harder than rest of fight, and u do frost last

[feral rivet]

Fire definitely feels easiest

[slim hamlet]

Then I agree exe is better, to get out of it as fast as possible

Just didnt think frost was hardest

However

[feral rivet]

And we have insane cleave so dont need me on outlaw

[grim tangle]

nobody thinks frost is hardest

[slim hamlet]

if u do 6% more dmg next patch without exe

its not worth ever

[subtle tundra]

if you do more damage overall the boss has less health in frost phase aswell :((

so you stay in frost phase less

:(((

[strange python]

I'm arguing sin over outlaw, not kb over Dtb

[slim hamlet]

man

I couldnt even remember what we werer talking about

Well outlaw def just objectively better right

[feral rivet]

And id definitely do more bossdmg overall as sin than outlaw due to how ive geared etc, just less overall dmg

[strange python]

Idk. If you have warlocks and mages and DKs and boomies then the adds die absurdly fast

[slim hamlet]

Then play sin

easy

[loud light]

when a boss doesn't have any phase transitions that are based on hp %, then 'execute' does not make any particular phase faster, only total fight timer matters

[strange python]

That's...what I was saying

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

gg

[strange python]

We finished

[slim hamlet]

Yes

However

[spice spire]

I saw

[slim hamlet]

if last ~30% is much harder

exe also gain value

[spice spire]

I butt out once the antagonizing stopped

[strange python]

Old quake would have joined in

[spice spire]

That’s growth

[slim hamlet]

Look how fast he grew up 🥹

[grim tangle]

if the last phase is harder, doing more damage before means the last phase is shorter

execute still has no value there

[slim hamlet]

True and also real

[slow marsh]

i'll show you growth

look at my logs and ask me if i care, if that's not growth idk what is

[subtle tundra]

didnt ask

[slow marsh]

wasn't talking to you

[brazen zodiac]

do...do you care?

[slow marsh]

yeah actually i kind of do so i guess i lied

[brazen zodiac]

looks like you have more growing to do!

[slow marsh]

indeed

[slim hamlet]

What if I'm full length

[brazen zodiac]

not me dying on lfr kurog 3 times

healer hard

[brazen zodiac]

👀

[strange python]

Da hell is execute💁🏼‍♀️

[slim hamlet]

huh

Read blindside and zoldyck

When it has effects at a certain % mark its execute

[rapid prism]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shut owl]

"Fixed an issue that prevented Improved Garrote's cooldown removal from taking effect when casting Garrote using Sepsis' Stealth ability effect."
... does this mean sepsis dungeon meme is a thing? XD

[dreamy gull]

amplifying poison is better right

[slim hamlet]

yes

if u take a talent u use the talent

otherwise u wouldnt take it

5Head

[dreamy gull]

this is what im rolling with atm

i dont really get what gouge is supposed to be for

[remote heath]

stopping an important cast

thats about it

[slim hamlet]

I dont think the simmed stuff cares about utility

[dreamy gull]

oh

ok

[slim hamlet]

Many times there has been some weird routes to the dmg on the sims

Just pick the utility u need

[hot goblet]

!log

[dreamy gull]

i have yet to be blamed in a dungeon except once when someone got mad at me for not knowing i could pick a lock

[balmy condor]

It still has to compete with capstones in m+ and a useless talent before it, so no

[slim hamlet]

huh

pick which lock

[dreamy gull]

there was something in the prison place in kul tiras

i forget the name for it

[slim hamlet]

oh

thought it was current

[stray mural]

Kicking a physical cast that you can’t normally kick or keeping an important ability from going off

[dreamy gull]

i see

[slow marsh]

doomblade useless in m+ you mean?

[balmy condor]

That’s what I said yep

[dreamy gull]

i always used blind as just a second charge of sap basically

[slow marsh]

it doesn't proc lethal dose right?

[dreamy gull]

so i didnt get the point of gouge

[stray mural]

I pulled the two constructs during the first pull of court of stars because of IC 💀 last time I did that

[balmy condor]

It does

[slim hamlet]

Unless u exsang it

big dam

[balmy condor]

Good meme

[slim hamlet]

Thanks

Worked hard on that one

[balmy condor]

Yeah, had to remember that doomblade can’t exsang

[slow marsh]

ah so the ST dam from LD and db isn't worth in m+? Haven't bothered with dungeons yet

[balmy condor]

Tough knowledge check on that joke

[slow marsh]

would think it's worth to grab bone spike but guess not?

[balmy condor]

You would have to drop a capstone

[slow marsh]

oh cuz you go double i see

[balmy condor]

Db doesn’t increase env damage anymore so it’s just a mut dot

Super unimpressive

[slow marsh]

yeah i'm starting to come around lol thanks for clarifying

[slim hamlet]

I have never noticed doomblade dmg on my meters

When looking for stuff

I swear it actually does 0 dmg

[slow marsh]

well even initially i thought the point of it was more for the ld buff not for the dot

[balmy condor]

It is

[polar gull]

Morning guys, had a thought waking up...will whelp fire ball trigger the ring?

[balmy condor]

The dot does so little damage it’s just an LD delivery system

[slow marsh]

yeah

[balmy condor]

No because it counts as a pet

[polar gull]

Shame

[slim hamlet]

Oh my god

[balmy condor]

I mean we craft cowl anyway

[slim hamlet]

I said that as a joke last week

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

[slim hamlet]

"imagine it doesnt even trigger ring because it technically is not you doing the dmg"

[balmy condor]

We don’t need another way to proc it

[slim hamlet]

🤓

[polar gull]

You have to be pretty close for cowl to hit

[slow marsh]

man it really sucks that we have some cool talent options / combos but can't even take them cuz of placement

[polar gull]

Would've been nice for the times you can't be in the bosses ass

[slim hamlet]

isnt cowl for some weird reason 4 yards

while melee is 5 yards

[balmy condor]

This has never been an issue for me

If im hitting things, cowl is too

[polar gull]

Yeah I tested on the dummy and had to get pretty close, def not max rogue range with acrobatic strikes

[slim hamlet]

Should just scale with your melee range

[dry dagger]

What are the best trinkets atm? I'm assuming grieftorch is one of 2, but is Controlled Current Technique really that much better than Whispering Incarnate?

[slim hamlet]

anything else doesnt make sence to me

not like it matters a whole lot

[slim hamlet]

puzzle box

[balmy condor]

Puzzle box is our bis, and then it’s either icon, current, or grieftorch

[dry dagger]

Dammit, puzzle box is so clunky to use

[slim hamlet]

yup

double channel active trink

[polar gull]

Can't have good damage without some sort of sacrifice lol this is blizz

[balmy condor]

It’s not even that bad

[slim hamlet]

what does uhdk sacrifice?

[rotund wagon]

They have to play uhdk

[slim hamlet]

We have to play rogue

[rotund wagon]

Rogue is crazy fun right now

And acro strikes is a melee QoL I can’t bring myself to give up for any other class

[slim hamlet]

We have to despair that sub is close if not higher in ST while also higher in aoe while outlaw higher in cleave

[slow marsh]

its weird that assassination rogues complain so much about channel trinket

what else are you gonna do ?

mutilate?

[dry dagger]

Move

[slim hamlet]

yes

[dry dagger]

I fidget so much

[polar gull]

Lol I need to strafe back and forth behind the boss

[slim hamlet]

I like being able to move while playing

otherwise I would play ranged

[rotund wagon]

Channel trinket disrupts the A/D spamming that all melee can’t help but do

[slim hamlet]

It basically never matters

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/4c35a5b4196176ff42989392830ba78a.png

getting used to Exsang on Terros

2% wipe

not bad tbh

[polar gull]

I don't mind the channel until I get the first clear on terros or something dumb like that

[slim hamlet]

and after using for multiple weeks

[slim hamlet]

Guessing you are somewhere under the hunter?

not playing with "always show me"

xdd

[slim hamlet]

yeah this is the only time I have been malding about puzzle

feels very bad not being able to keep your opener going

[deep lily]

so with the new ruby whelpling knowledge is it worth going? and if so the crit or the ST training?

[brisk crag]

I have 394 gear with my 4pc, and sim about 54k on normal terros. How are some assassination rogues logging 65k+ with the same ilvl and buffs?

[polar gull]

But I mained demo in SL and felt the same when a mechanic ruined my opening tyrant

[slim hamlet]

what do you mean sim on normal terros

Anyways can u show logs?

of the other people

[next edge]

im the only rogue

haahah

[vital reef]

Did we ever get definative sims on the different whelps Ruby trinket?

[dry dagger]

What's the news on the whelpling?

[deep lily]

trying to find it

[slim hamlet]

wp wp

I am suprised how far ahead the aff lock is too

[next edge]

he cranks

[brisk crag]

I used raidbots to sim a low movement fight, which I assumed was the closest parallel for the Terros fight.

[slim hamlet]

Does movement sims even do anything as melee?

[tacit oracle]

I believe it counts as loss of uptime instead of counting as movement.

[proper tapir]

Bro, you can have 100% uptime on normal terros. Its hit box is huge, are you having trouble sticking to it?

[storm forum]

can you all imagine how broken the dont move get agi potion would be for rogue if we could stand still and not fidget for 30 seconds?

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/31c897c4151a5d1cb4ccc5bd15dafa54.png

and the kill

@slim hamlet

[shut owl]

Fidgety melee baffle me. I always watch the replays and see everyone else just dancing around while I might as well have permanent storm boon call unless bad things are landing on me lol

[kindred oriole]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

I'm a wiggler

[gusty mirage]

absolute gamer

rounds up to 69k

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[shut owl]

Kill timer, seasons/PI, and having the bulk of your ilvl being on weapons/trinks can have a big impact.

[formal field]

Will the new ability make ass more viable in m+

[formal cliff]

Short answer: no

Long answer: read pins

Ass is viable in m+

[formal field]

Thanks

[hidden dirge]

is the whetstone trinket bad? for me it does good dmg but it isn't even on the sim sheet

[undone eagle]

is fiery soul a soulbind thing or can the crafter guy give it?

[shut owl]

You gotta go get your own.

It's very easy for sin. Just go down to the gardens, drop your opener on the giant fire elemental that's a quest target, and use the soul sucker as it dies to your dots

[granite sable]

Any way to clear serrated bone spike from a dummy? Not even changing specs helps lol

[brazen nimbus]

sennarth is like a 7 min fight, is it more worth to use exs at 3 min and then sync at 6 min or to sync at 4 min ?

[oak sky]

If its a 7 min fight and you use at 4 you would lose a cast

Since the boss would die when it comes back up

[undone eagle]

how do i get the items?

[fading wigeon]

Nah. You can stealth after everything else drops off Just change details to overall and do your stuff

[granite sable]

Alright cheers for the tip

[fading wigeon]

It's fine if you don't have the good trinkets. Just use it until you get thr better stuff

[turbid canopy]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deep lily]

any answers on the whelping?

[vestal wren]

you can sim it, instructions are in #subtlety or #outlaw pinned

!sheet also has trinket sims re-run for it

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dreamy gull]

what exactly does cloak of shadows dispel? i thought it was supposed to work on dots and stuff but it doesnt for me

[vestal wren]

the fire damage proc (fire blast) is best on st

for dungeon slice haste did sim highest on assassinaiton, both other specs would still take fire blast even in dungeon slice

[undone eagle]

Could someone tell me where to find the equipments for fiery soul ?

they just show videos where to find the mobs :l

[oak sky]

Do you have zapthrottle soul inhaler

If you dont, buy it on the AH

[undone eagle]

God damn i just realized its the shield ring i got in vault LUL

sadge

[undone eagle]

nope i will in the future when i get it ... 😦

[oak sky]

Then you want to go to the fiery elementals, then you put dots on them and use the soul inhaler on the mob while its dying

[undone eagle]

but is it really big difference with cowl + ring proc fire than signet/plat rings?

for m+

[oak sky]

Flaring cowl is good even without the eranog ring

Btw

[undone eagle]

so cowl is reccomended no matter what yea?

BiS head?

[oak sky]

If you can have a tier bonus with it equipped yeah

Its pretty good

[vestal wren]

it is good without ring

but ring makes it better

comparison

[undone eagle]

so for m+ what should i go for, fire ring +signet/plat with cowl or just signet + plat ?

[visual stratus]

Hey guys. The FAQ says that you shouldn't take Exsang when using DTB, but when looking at builds for Terros, Exsang looks to be performing better than the options without. Am i just out of the loop and are you now supposed to take Exsang or what?

[vestal wren]

cowl + lariat on all 3 specs

[undone eagle]

but ring order? between seal , signet & plat

seal + signet i guess?

(if you wanna proc the fire dmg)

[west nymph]

is 5% haste a bit too low ?

[quaint dragon]

can u feint the gale arrow in nokhud or dont work?

[vestal wren]

your sim will help you with stats

just sim gear combis

*combos

[real sphinx]

you got 4set or nah?

[rancid nimbus]

This I would also like to know. The dmg that comes i n is just insane!!!

[undone eagle]

Guys its not worth to take hc tier set legs from vault when catalyst comes next week so u can go for 415 or? alrdy got the legs but normal tier

instead i can pick another wrist 421 that replaces the same wrist but 402 ilvl , so what do you suggest :p

[silk bane]

@balmy condor not sure if its been mentioned but looking at the ptr sims (from the ptr sheet) this feels off. like isnt this opener gauranteed to waste cp's and lose like 2 sec min on rupture?

[rain oyster]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

what the fuck is that opener

[silk bane]

thats the opener from the PTR sims on Whispyr's sheet. this link : https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7xtKGzNETkEneESnjonyY3

[shut owl]

thats.... interesting

3 garrotes before rupture. new meta?

[spice spire]

Exsang meta buddy

[silk bane]

no im pretty sure its fucking up a logic somewhere. its guaranteed to overcap CP's without critting.

[shut owl]

yeah

thats SS garrote... so 3 from gar, 1 from sbs, 2 on mut, and another 3 from gar before spending any seems odd

you'd also only be getting... what, an extra 3 seconds from the third gar? its within 5 seconds of opener, and 3s after 2nd gar, and you pandemic 6 tops

[silk bane]

oh god it gets worsae

what the fuck is this

this is the AP opener

and KB opener

[shut owl]

I'm fairly certain its letting rupture just go by the wayside

[royal lantern]

and the rupture just instant ER rupture

[oak sky]

is that a dslice sim

[shut owl]

oh, missed the doubletap

[silk bane]

ST

[shut owl]

nah thats patchwerk PTR lol

its... doing some things

[dusk onyx]

where to i put the torch in my assa opener? just after the opener picture?

[real sphinx]

its doing all the things lmfaooo

[proper tapir]

I think it is trying to take advantage of MA with SBS and Mut, then hits with Gar at the end for max pandemic on Imp Gar

[royal lantern]

you use it after DM is over

[dusk onyx]

ty mate

[silk bane]

U dont run MA

[shut owl]

I feel like waiting 5 seconds between imp gar and exsang/DM probably nullifies any gains over just ripping the exsang/dm yknow.... 4 casts earlier and then vanish-garrote when it drops

[brisk crystal]

guys someone can explain to me, why my deathmark do a so little portion of my damage? when i see in the logs top rogue have an insane deathmark damage

[silk bane]

nah somethigns giga off, this builds not running AP but look at shiv timing, u lose like 6 seconds of shiv uptime before getting a single envenom out

[proper tapir]

@silk bane can you post an updated APL for us please?

[shut owl]

context like a log would probably help, as it could be any number of factors

[dawn merlin]

are you comparing details info with actual logs or? in details the bleeds it replicates are not assigned to "Deathmark" damage, but in logs they are

I believe

[brisk crystal]

no sorry now i've understood, i was considering my dm from the details with the dm from logs, in the logs dm contain also all the dots that double

[brisk crystal]

yhe ur right. very noob answer sorry

[dawn merlin]

all good mate, legitimate question

[hearty meadow]

How is assassination in keys?

[shut owl]

gear/level appropriate? fine. The utility can be real nice

[proper tapir]

It's great, try it out!

[shut owl]

slowly pushing for KSH with it atm

[hearty meadow]

Oooh ok! I’m gonna try it out

Do you guys use the DTB build?

[brisk crystal]

what you guys prefer in raid? kb build or dragon tempered?

[shut owl]

as per the icon, I'm a KB/IC gal in keys 😛

[spice spire]

Whichever sims bigger, usually DTB

[shut owl]

will have to re-assess life choices next week

[hearty meadow]

Hmmm kb build in keys sounds fun

[silk bane]

DTB unless raz. then KB for raz. but also tbh sub for raz lul

[proper tapir]

Yeah I've been going KB / IC, but both should be fine.

[shut owl]

sad but true for me there. get to try out with a new guild tonight so maybe I won't be the only aoe option for intermission 😛

[silk bane]

its kinda weird. like specially with heroic raz everyone has so much damage that the shields die so fast and KB doesnt even get to fully go off for me. but with Sub, not only I can pad during intermission, Dance is also shorter burst than KB so I can actually get it off during the shields.

[shut owl]

if I didn't run CT we'd max timer on adds lol. felt real bad

[silk bane]

oh damn. in that case def go sub if the ads are living that long you just get to giga pad! 😄

[shut owl]

yeha

now if only I practiced sub

[silk bane]

sadge

[cold rampart]

!log

[frozen iris]

!log

[balmy condor]

all of these were during the one day where backend changes messed everything up, it should affect them all fairly equally so I haven’t rerun anything

[silk bane]

I see, makes sense! Thanks for the clarification!

[balmy condor]

Np, sorry I haven’t gotten around to resimming them

I do have an AP change that’s about 0.6-1.5% gains depending on target count

So it should gain a bit

[silk bane]

nice looking forward to it! also, honestly its kinda interesting to see improved poison being a dps gain over a 3rd zoldyc or a second shiv charge.

[balmy condor]

Well a second shiv charge doesn’t really do anything right? If you just slam on cooldown, you just get +1 casts across the entire fight, so the only tangible gain you can get would be if you find a way to hold shiv for something, like you hold shiv for kingsbane

Otherwise it’s just a gigantic waste

[true rapids]

If you are already playing dtb bleed exsang build the next patch doesn't change much in terms of ST does it?

[balmy condor]

The build is identical as of now

[silk bane]

true true, I was mostly thinking having 2 shivs for puzzle box windows or DM windows even woulda been better than a single point in improved poison, but it doesnt seem like it!

[balmy condor]

Yeah 5% application chance is actually pretty good

Especially with 2 poisons

And dashing

And all that

[weak crescent]

Hey @balmy condor do you have couple of minutes to take a look at my log, i have tried really hard tonight but i m not doing good. i felt i really nailed my rotation but the parse was "decent" but ilvl one absolutely horrible

[thorny pond]

!logs @weak crescent

post them there @weak crescent

[slow marsh]

Don't pay attention to ilvl parse it's pointless

[ebon notch]

@marble hemlock you're running the standard KB + exsang m+ build right

did you make any adjustments to squeeze some more ST out of it?

[sturdy merlin]

@balmy condor ty for the Kurog build it was lit

[marble hemlock]

ye

[marble hemlock]

no

[ebon notch]

dropping iron wire for 2nd shiv is almost 700 dps single target

but is it worth it

[tacit pebble]

what was it

[marble hemlock]

you get both

so i guess ih ave a slightly different build?

[flint pond]

Never drop iron wire

[marble hemlock]

link the one youre looking at

[flint pond]

[sturdy merlin]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQTikQiElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQaOQJJkkkkWIJSCJEJJB

[ebon notch]

just kick

[balmy condor]

1 elaborate planning?

This is the faq build

[ebon notch]

its just what i imported, maybe i fucked it up putting points back in idk

[oak sky]

MA

and poison application

can go to ep and shiv

[ebon notch]

i dont know where i got this build from then

[balmy condor]

Yea

[ebon notch]

but i know i didnt make it

[lunar furnace]

Is H raz a much bigger dps check than the other bosses? We’ve melted everything this week but heard things about raz

[balmy condor]

Heroic raz is a step up yeah

[ebon notch]

if you have the dps to break the shields in p2 you can kill the boss

[lunar furnace]

Yeah the shields is where I think we might struggle sadly

[balmy condor]

Gotta hold cds and crank

[real sphinx]

wouldnt say pointless shows how your preforming against rogues with your same ilevel

[marble hemlock]

drop imp poisons

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s kinda pointless though

[slow marsh]

When tier exists it is

Even before tier it was sketch

[real sphinx]

meh if your new to the spec and wanna see hwo your damage compares to those of your level its a good indicator

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot less rogues in that bracket and item level means surprisingly little

No it isn’t

If you’re new to the spec it’s even worse

405 ilvl, but only 1 piece of tier, how do you think their ilvl parse is gonna look?

[lunar furnace]

Isn’t parsing in general a bit wonky as we get later into raid

Especially heroic

[balmy condor]

398 but the guy has a eranog ring

[slow marsh]

Na parsing evens out as the raid goes on

[tacit pebble]

i think its pretty useful to point and laugh at someone when they get a rank 2/2 0% ilvl parse

[balmy condor]

402 ilvl but the guy has a 421 dagger from vault

[tacit pebble]

cuz theyre way higher ilvl than anyone else

[real sphinx]

lol we can agree to disagree but many top raiders advocate for it but ill let you keep making hypotheticals xD

[slow marsh]

If you're new to the spec you just shouldn't look at parses at all and just focus on playing the fights and getting comfortable

[slow marsh]

This is also false

[tacit pebble]

i have never seen anyone do anything but laugh at ilvl parses lol, i guarantee no top raiders are advocating for it

[slow marsh]

But keep on with your delusions

[balmy condor]

Who are these top raiders advocating for it? Cause I happen to talk to a lot of top rogues and they all think it’s a mess

[real sphinx]

oh so rogues are the only class with ilevel parses?

understood

[slow marsh]

I suggest just stop typing cuz you're only making yourself look worse and worse lol

[real sphinx]

you think i care what you think?

cute

[grim tangle]

why would top raiders care about ilvl parses? they have great gear

[oak sky]

if your item level is extremely bricked and awful you may get some indication that other players that also have bricked item level are playing worse than you by your ilvl parse, but typically better players also have better gear so it ends up not being very important in general

[real sphinx]

cause top raiders teach people the game on a regular basis and how to read into things but again if you think i care what some people in a discord server say thats a off

have a nice night ladies

[oak sky]

why is ladies an insult

just curious

[ebon notch]

you dont care what people think but you're here typing

[grim tangle]

weird guy

[balmy condor]

Seems weird to me that you’re advocating for ilvl parses, to a rogue, in a rogue discord, and then using other classes as a cop out when I said that top rogues don’t support it.

You’re either implying that other classes for some reason don’t have the same issues, or that the rogues aren’t good. What’s the end game here

[real sphinx]

assuming im a guy?

[lunar furnace]

Trolls will be trolls

[slow marsh]

King zef

[ebon notch]

if you arent having a discussion with people then why are you here

[slow marsh]

Stop it

[ebon notch]

go type in a diary

[tacit pebble]

once i took my helmet off to see what my mog looked like without it and then just moved on, easiest 100% ilvl parse of my life

[real sphinx]

oh so name equals gender

got it

[lunar furnace]

Just stop giving him attention

[real sphinx]

im saying you have a very closed mind which tbh ive heard before anyways nice night gender x since ladies offended people

[ebon notch]

punctuation my guy

do you use it?

[real sphinx]

do i care when im on my phone?

no

thank you next

[ebon notch]

you replied so

care more than i do

[silk bane]

this man doesnt care abotu anything! what a giga chad. such ilvl much wow

[real sphinx]

as you reply? what type of logic is that

[slow marsh]

[teal bloom]

[real sphinx]

goofy internet warriors lmfao

[oak sky]

3

[ebon notch]

im not gonna type more cause whispyr gonna smack me

[real sphinx]

who gives a fuck what whispyr thinks are you that much of a bitch?

[balmy condor]

Trying to understand your position is pretty open minded I would think. I’ve given you my arguments for why people don’t support item level parses, and the only thing I’ve gotten back from you is “top players that aren’t rogues like it”. Why do they like it? What’s their reasoning? I’m trying to understand your side of the argument, but you’re not giving me much to work with and then antagonizing me for it

[real sphinx]

controlled by a discord mod?

[oak sky]

more like he doesnt want to get muted like you will if you keep being confrontational

[slow marsh]

Stick to call of duty my guy. This isn't the place for you

[real sphinx]

oh no imma be muted in a discord for a video game

someone please save me