assassination

[steel ridge]

is it because of zoldyck value in 2T

my entire keybind convention is in shambles rn

[limber lion]

It's because it sims better than DTB

:D

[steel ridge]

[limber lion]

You might wanna sim 2t for yourself

dtb simmed better for me personally

[steel ridge]

yeah i will, my dtb build was simming like 102k or something

[hidden crown]

a 1k dps dif

[steel ridge]

probably, the time has come to sacrifice C

character screen has to yield

[hidden crown]

sacrifices have to be made

[steel ridge]

or i just move slice and dice out of the way, fuck that button anyway

[balmy condor]

I wish

[hidden crown]

DTB enjoyer

[steel ridge]

DTB is the way

[nocturne current]

Put Exsang in Shift+Rupture?

[hidden crown]

imagine playing with more buttons

[steel ridge]

what is exsang?

[hidden crown]

and then you die mid rotation

[fallen raven]

i put all the menus and stuff on alt+ the default, frees them up and no fat fingered presses in combat

[steel ridge]

havent used that button since it got obliterated and never looked back

[royal lantern]

based

[steel ridge]

1% is a small price to pay for sanity and peace of mind

[hidden crown]

I like me being top dps in raids :3

makes me feel like the big dog

[steel ridge]

my uhdk says otherwise

[royal lantern]

if you are tops dps as assa, its 100% nit because of exsang

[hidden crown]

literally

[royal lantern]

[hidden crown]

woof

[grim jay]

Worgen is a 5% dps decrease

[steel ridge]

worgen is pretty sick ngl

[nocturne current]

So that thundering stone when you get to 2500 is useless no? I can barely find a difference in the set lol

[balmy condor]

you look like the dude from puss in boots

[grim jay]

Its bcs the effect on mythic gear is trash tier aswell

[hidden crown]

the small one?

[hidden crown]

not to me

I break the laws of physics

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-to-fight-death-wolf-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-prepared-for-battle-lets-fight-gif-25144560

[hidden crown]

that reminds me

imma transmog into death rn

[grim jay]

I mean you atleast dont play dwarf or gnome, so you didnt break smth else

[slim hamlet]

408 current tech simming a bit higher than 418 puzzle box

hmm

[hidden crown]

hmmmm

[normal mist]

That's such a W

[grim jay]

You actually simmed box in both slots ye ? With double on use ?

[hidden crown]

channeling is a 5% dps decrease

[slim hamlet]

ill hav to try another sim, might just be getting extra cucked cuz double active

[grim jay]

Yes you do

[steel ridge]

what is that, that furry looks mean af

[grim jay]

Since you need puzzle on 13

So sim uses it on burst

[slim hamlet]

raidbots sims both

[balmy condor]

he's the dude that hunts puss in boots in the new movie

[steel ridge]

der gestiefelte kater?

[balmy condor]

genau der

[grim jay]

Depends on how you simmed it. Topgear?

[slim hamlet]

fucking germans

smh

[steel ridge]

i root for the evil doggo

[hidden crown]

smh

[slim hamlet]

yes

and it sims both no matter what

[steel ridge]

that thing is mad

[balmy condor]

that's "fickende deutsche" to you

[slim hamlet]

unless u for some reason do 2 quick sims to check it

[slim hamlet]

Nicht

[royal lantern]

willst du?

[slim hamlet]

Ja

[grim jay]

So geht das aber nicht du kleiner Drecksack

[steel ridge]

er hat ficken gesagt.

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

Bro

I have only studied german for 5 years

do u expect me to know what that means

[balmy condor]

its noon in germany sorry

you're dead=

its over

[steel ridge]

its brotzeit.

[balmy condor]

it's ww2 in this bitch

boutta say hello to france

[grim jay]

Mahlzeit. Who the fuck says Brotzeit

[balmy condor]

REAL

[grim jay]

Its 2023

[winter moss]

wtf did i just read

[balmy condor]

I bet nerazar doesn't even say prost before he drinks

absolute psycho

[steel ridge]

wtf, everyone does.

[thorn crater]

Seit wann ist es hier ein deutscher discord?

[slim hamlet]

See

I know what most stuff means

[steel ridge]

actually i do!

[slim hamlet]

I have no idea how to make a sentence tho

[steel ridge]

always has been.

[thorn crater]

Zum Wohl (if you wanna feel really old)

[royal lantern]

das heist Mahlzeit

[balmy condor]

my grandparents say zum wohl

[thorn crater]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

they also say hi to everyone that walks into the biergarten even if they don't know them

like a bunch of lunatics

[austere radish]

Hello Guys, on which bonus are you training your whelp?

[slim hamlet]

none

I deleted mine

[balmy condor]

none cause it sucks

[thorn crater]

Alter was für eine Sprache ist das

“Guys”

Was ist das

[grim jay]

Zum Wohl is pretty legit

[royal lantern]

for assa it doesnt replace the top options aka Puzzle+torch

[next edge]

Tryan I need you

I'm sad

[royal lantern]

dude, 24 terros pulls and no kill, i need help

[balmy condor]

my dad has to say "hoch de kolbe, nei de zinke, morgen müss ma wasser trinke"

[next edge]

Sin officially sims higher than sub, I have no personality and I must go for it on tonight Terros reclear

[balmy condor]

kinda goes hard

[next edge]

And Exsang +1k DPS now

[royal lantern]

exsang is not bad since the 3min change

[next edge]

It's fine though

[thorn crater]

Schwab papa goes hard

[vestal wren]

have fun

[royal lantern]

would still prefer it gone, but its kinda w/e

[next edge]

@vestal wren I will never betray you bb

Always sub

[slim hamlet]

no shot

I just stopped malding

about our amount

[next edge]

I saw a guild

[slim hamlet]

and hten u say that

brother

[royal lantern]

like, use exsang togheter with DM and its fine

[next edge]

With 124 Terros pulls

[slim hamlet]

We have 65 pulls

[balmy condor]

wait

[slim hamlet]

and its not deadge

[balmy condor]

24 pulls

[steel ridge]

you dont great people in cali?

[balmy condor]

is so reasonable

[next edge]

Yes

We had 35

[royal lantern]

24 pulls and idk how close to a kill tbh

[next edge]

Every pull

[royal lantern]

like, had him once at 20%

[next edge]

Is close to a kill

Tbh

[slim hamlet]

24 pulls is like 2.5 hours

[balmy condor]

no, it's a very german thing to just say hi to people, in america you just keep to yourself

[next edge]

Because its the same shit all over again

[slim hamlet]

thats not bad at all

[balmy condor]

you sit at your table

and you just eat

[next edge]

Just max bleeds, exsang, dm, noM

?

[balmy condor]

and then you get up and leave

and that's it

[steel ridge]

sociopaths

[next edge]

Outside opener

Spider is making me commit game uninatalling tbh

So fkng shit boss

Who designed that garbage

[steel ridge]

spider is a pain in the arse

[grim jay]

My father always said Pünktlichkeit ist die Höflichkeit der Könige

[balmy condor]

yo I just got flashbacks

[royal lantern]

the opener is in the pins, outside of that its like, you keep exsang for dmg and go Puzzle box>vanish garrote>envenom>er>rupture>exsang>dm

[slim hamlet]

Thats like every country outside of america

smh

[steel ridge]

whisp how long have you been in the USA? you were born in germany right?

[next edge]

So basically what I said ye

Max bleeds, exsang, dm

[royal lantern]

whisp is full american and just has german familiy iirc

ye

max bleeds, exsang, dm

or my move, max bleeds, dm, forget exsang

[balmy condor]

Ya this, my parents moved here for work and then had me like a year later

[grim jay]

Die to mechanic on "accident", blame lag

[modest glen]

Standard DTB+exsang build fine for spider?

[slim hamlet]

This is smart

[royal lantern]

no, you exsang your DM and just accept it

[slim hamlet]

Cant keep a progression pull going if u fail exsang

[balmy condor]

Yep

[slim hamlet]

gotta start over

[steel ridge]

so a proper german born on american soil

[balmy condor]

Jawohl

I went to a private school that taught in german

[grim jay]

Its great they still decided to let you enjoy the awesome german culture

[balmy condor]

Had a translator license and everything

[steel ridge]

thats always handy

[balmy condor]

I let it expire though

Lot of work keeping that shit

[nocturne current]

Work involving +German = $$

[balmy condor]

We go back every year for the rest of my family

It’s just me and my parents here

Everyone else is in Germany

[royal lantern]

then why do i hate work, and are poor

[nocturne current]

Move out of Germany, work with German as added bonus = profit

[steel ridge]

the urge to take over france runs in his veins tho

even 10.000 miles away

[grim jay]

Relatable

[next edge]

Spain true chads

[grim jay]

You cant insult others there in german tho, bcs to others german always sounds aggressive so they naturally know

[balmy condor]

Schwanzlutscher

[wide hawk]

hmmmmmmmm

[royal lantern]

hurensohn was litearlly the most voted youthword of the last year

and it means son of a bitch

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

we like insults and swear words mate

[balmy condor]

Thems some nice shoulders

[steel ridge]

shoulders

[balmy condor]

Shoulders very tasty

[steel ridge]

absolutely shoulders

id kill for those

still rocking 402s

[balmy condor]

nervous French noises

[wide hawk]

my guild won't be reaching mythic diurna anytime soon so shoulders it will be

[slim hamlet]

Spain and portugal simply an island

[balmy condor]

As Christopher Columbus intended

Or something

Idk

Dude was high as fuck

[slim hamlet]

sounds about right

[grim jay]

Reminds me of eminem trying to say ich fick dich auseinander du knuffliges Knuddelbärchen

[slim hamlet]

Think we heard that quote in history class

[grim jay]

#assassination message
That one ?

[slim hamlet]

Nah

[slim hamlet]

this

Some quote about that

surely

[steel ridge]

thats been along time man

[green juniper]

I just started this game its been like 15 days.. still cant decide about best talents 😦 got 2 pieces

[royal lantern]

ofc he was, he probs had a small cold and got 3KG of cocaine as a treatment or shit like that, old days where wild

[minor rover]

As KB do we delay the puzzle box for 1 minute as we do exsang to sync with DM or is puzzle box on CD?

[balmy condor]

Yep delay away

[grim jay]

Yeah. Weird days. I'd take 5 now

[minor rover]

Really? Thats interesting. Do we have to use PuzzleBox before or after dot application, does it matter?

[steel ridge]

mastery applies on the fly and doesnt snapshot

[balmy condor]

Yeah doesn’t matter

Sims go exsang->dm->box

[minor rover]

Thanks whispyr

[minor gate]

just got back from 2weeks of assignments and started using the KB build, do i use amp or deadly posion

[feral rivet]

if you talent for amp you use amp

[polar matrix]

general feeling for 10.0.05?

changes looking good or bad for us

saw this today and it hurt

[steel ridge]

blizz might have overreacted a bit with the nerfs 🙂

[polar matrix]

it's over one week

so not concrete

but it stings none the less

[feral rivet]

and its overall dmg, sin obv low there

[steel ridge]

.0.5 patch looks like a small buff to me.

nothing of significance tho

dungeon experience should be better tho

[little light]

my bar is shorter I must reroll

[polar matrix]

but our ST is crazy eithe right

like it's good ofc

[steel ridge]

our ST is just "good" rn

hunters, mages, dks caught up

or even overtook us

[polar matrix]

enhance shammy

bm hunter?

[steel ridge]

shadowpriests are going to be nuts iirc

yeah enhance aswell sure

[dusk path]

What WA do people use to track bleeds and CDs? Afenas? Luxthos? Others?

[steel ridge]

i think there are some buffs planned for shadow

[little light]

sin usually scales better long run, at least previous expansions

[vernal walrus]

excuse me but i can equip elemental lariat+primal molten dagger+ helm? i mean the 3 items with embelishment or there is a max?

[grim jay]

Personal pref

[steel ridge]

dont think so, we are already somewhat gcd locked

[grim jay]

Scaling is a meme

[steel ridge]

only 2

[little light]

aight

[tacit oracle]

You dont need Dagger embellishment

[steel ridge]

our GCD doesnt scale, so we will not scale as well as other classes

[little light]

what about mastery

[steel ridge]

what about it?

[grim jay]

Scaling is still a meme

[little light]

you are a meme xd

[vernal walrus]

why no? i see that arcane dmg embelish is top

[tacit oracle]

Then run the best 2

[steel ridge]

its not for some classes

[mystic gate]

what does whispyr mean about syncing dm with puzzle box every 4MIN ? holding dm till box outta cooldown ?

[steel ridge]

look at arms warriors, they hyperscale with haste

coming from absolutely nowhere and topping the ST meters in due time

[steel ridge]

you will delay the second puzzle to match your 3rd dm

[little light]

I mean in previous expansions, sin got better when we had way higher ilevel gear

but I cannot tell you the exact reason, so I said "scaling"

[steel ridge]

in previous expansions we had energy problems

which we dont have rn, with DTB and Tea

[little light]

that makes sense

[royal lantern]

thats called "blizzard buffed dmg by X%"

[steel ridge]

so scaling is a fairy tale

[mystic gate]

oh cool ty

[little light]

For sin right now, yeah

[royal lantern]

and not " assa suddenly is top dps cus it has 4% more crit then last tier"

[grim jay]

Even if you wanna take it that way, its still a meme if you talk about it over the course of multiple patches since there are more impactful things like new borrowed power and balancing patches

[tacit oracle]

+30% aura buff is pretty good scaling

[little light]

Fair, those are all better answer

[tacit oracle]

Objectively improved later in the xpac

[royal lantern]

huge tierset effects is also good scaling tbh

and imgaine playing a dracthyr rogue, so much scaling with all those scales

[grim jay]

scaling

[steel ridge]

feel free to meme, some classes benefit from stats in other ways than just hitting harder.

[grim jay]

Scaling is a meme. Getting proper gear isnt scaling

[steel ridge]

cdr on barbed shot is not a meme

more fury generation through haste is not a meme

[royal lantern]

i love how scaling always brings up " WW monk bad cus it scales bad" when rogue converts secondarys even worse then ww monk+ ww monk is metadefining broken more often then not

[little light]

but scaling is a meme bro

[steel ridge]

ww is absolute broken in dungeons rn and almost none of them exist

cause most rerolled to rogue lmao

[little light]

thats cause ww is boring af

[royal lantern]

cus edgelord class DH is even better

[grim jay]

Dunno you are arguing against the common agreement of the majority of knowledgeable people in saying there is big boi scaling

[little light]

Something about the sounds and stuff from WW just dosnt click for me

[grim jay]

Its all about borrowed power and Balance patches

[royal lantern]

yes

[tacit oracle]

Probably would play a Drac Rogue now that you mention it. Those AoE CCs evokers have are racials.

[little light]

scaling still exist even if you dispute the impact of it

[royal lantern]

we will get dracthyr as other classes, but they will tune that stuff down by alot then, dont worry

[grim jay]

Even taking your arms warrior as example, their tier set is big, thats why they caught up

[royal lantern]

like, probs not even the aoe stun and just a weaker version of the knockback as a general racial

[grim jay]

Id play dractyr as a shaman on alliance bcs alliance shaman races look ass tho

[tacit oracle]

Wow Draenei exist

[timber basalt]

dark iron shaman are based

[little light]

dwarf shaman does look like its out of minecraft

[grim jay]

Tail + hoof

[tacit oracle]

+horns and curves bby

[grim jay]

No amount of horns and curves can safe that

[royal lantern]

dwarf???

like, dwarf is the 1race everyone can agree is good

[grim jay]

You think dwarf looks good ?

[tacit oracle]

Post it in xmog 😄

[royal lantern]

@slim hamlet we just learned that our RL did the entire progress yesterday with 1trinket missing

[hidden crown]

Im sorry but what the fuck is this

[polar matrix]

propaganda

TMZesq

[hidden crown]

fake news

to me

[polar matrix]

not the mass

[grim jay]

Useless overall statistics

[polar matrix]

im selling clicks

[royal lantern]

ever had a female dwarf blood dk in your keys?

those people are walking gods

legit solo the key

[hidden crown]

why female?

[lament warren]

what have u guys seen cobalt boost runs going for lately

are they still 300k

[royal lantern]

male dwarf is mostly wannabe MDI players that think they need stoneform for their weekly no leaver +17

female dwarfs are the maddest lads out there

[lament warren]

female dwarf

single ugliest race in the game

its not even close

nothing feels worse than maining a female dwarf blood dk

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-yuck-eww-gif-25208209

[lament warren]

it is actually the biggest mistake ive ever made in my wow career

its unreal

[tacit oracle]

If I had to play a male character, Dwarf would probably be near the top tbh

[lament warren]

i almost missed out on s3 title because i went dwarf

[tacit oracle]

Orc tho

[lament warren]

orc male

:hnng

[tacit oracle]

😍

[lament warren]

orc male

belf male for melee chars

plate

only

troll male

[tacit oracle]

Just go chestless xmog on Orc

[lament warren]

horde just has so many good male body types

[grim jay]

OG Human

And velf

Mag orcs are great tho

[royal lantern]

female troll balance druid is the most toxic race/class combo ingame, Change my mind

peak boomkin brains

[sonic spindle]

Would IC be broke if it just empowered our garrote without stealth? It’s so annoying not being able to restealth between some pulls in m+

[subtle tundra]

Man bring back PL(Poland)

[steel ridge]

super annoying yes, just tell your tank to let you restealth for big deeps

[tacit oracle]

Fortunately restealthing is less of an issue now that Spiteful is gone.

[subtle tundra]

Spiteful? You mean the way of resetting shadow dance between packs?

I miss it already

[tacit oracle]

The M+ affix.

[subtle tundra]

Yes we are talking about the same thing

[royal lantern]

varas is a class traitor

[subtle tundra]

😔

Sorry blizz can't make assa do aoe

Tf they scared of

Assa being played?

Scary

[mystic zenith]

ssin aoe looks so stressful, when sub aoe has like 18yard range and can be done with 3 fingerse

[subtle tundra]

I disagree

[timber basalt]

eh? having to run around to spread ruptures is stressful af

[subtle tundra]

So does sub

[timber basalt]

i meant on sub

[subtle tundra]

With no acro

Ah

[timber basalt]

on assa you just press 1 button

[mystic zenith]

we're getting better ai on that next patch right?

like it prioritises things without rupture already?

[twin leaf]

hi every1, quick question - as a casual player is it a good option to go assas rogue this xpack or will life be very hard? i.e hard learning curve - strong gear dependence - kicks from m+

[subtle tundra]

mid ass vault

[tacit oracle]

If you casually raid and want to tunnel boss and let everyone else pad AoE parses, you'll be fine on Asn.

You won't be making your life easier in M+ though. Outlaw is pretty unga bunga once you get the flow of it.

[upper crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sonic spindle]

I love our rotation and playstyle for single target, but m+ has always felt like we have to work harder to do the same damage as other class/specs. I’m also casual af tho too

An the worst part is managing 2 weapon sets if you want to dual spec outlaw for m+. I dunno how sub is doing in m+ though.

[subtle tundra]

its not 2x weapon sets

wat

its just 1 one hander

[tacit oracle]

Sub is good, you just have to alter your builders/spenders throughout a fight when target numbers change and know how long things will live when multidoting, and then have surgeon-like positioning for said multidoting

[twin leaf]

outlaw will get nuked i think

[subtle tundra]

💀

thats cope

im the one supposed to say those things

[timber basalt]

i think assa is way easier than outlaw

[tacit oracle]

or you can just hit Blade Flurry and do the same rotation for ST and AoE. 143214321 or something like that

[timber basalt]

but i'm not a zoomer that can hit 400apm any more

[twin leaf]

was outlaw in shadowlands, easiest rogue* spec imo

as you said, blade flurry and that s it

thx for the imput! next beer round is on the house

[tacit oracle]

Yum

[nocturne current]

I enjoyed more outlaw when you could reroll non-stop, when they've put the cooldown on it switched back to assa.

[twin kite]

It is fine to use puzzle box before exsang deathmark when playing KB build right?

[nocturne current]

Being able to re-roll still felt like, rolling the dices, now it's more of.. you get what you get.

[twin leaf]

why does that feel broken af?

[scenic sky]

Outlaw was more fun when it was combat 😛

[maiden falcon]

whats the prections for assa as the expansion goes on ? will other overtake ?

[subtle tundra]

overtake what

[maiden falcon]

assa overtake *

other speccs

[subtle tundra]

in m+?

[twin leaf]

he means if assa wil go down in dps rankings

[subtle tundra]

in sl i was playing assa as a concept, wanting to play assa for the sake of playing assa
in df i want to play assa cause its fun but it still is much behind the other 2 specs
(speaking of m+)

[nocturne current]

Haha, as a concept is a good way of putting it

[night perch]

Did something change with puzzlebox ? It suddenly sims 500 lower than hc kurog trinket when yesterday it was other way.

[royal lantern]

dude, its the easiest rogue spec rn, dont need to make it sound like surgery

[sonic spindle]

That did sound complicated tbh, my eyes glossed over

[royal lantern]

it translates into "with enough targets i use sstrorm instead of backstab, and i need to position myself for the FREE DOT SPREAD"

[tacit oracle]

and spenders :3

[lament warren]

that is very true

sub is very hard

on 1 target i use secret technique

but adapting to my situations

when it becomes an 8 target scenario

i also use secret technique

[tacit oracle]

Also Secret Technique

xD

and don't forget 30 targets

Secret Technique

[lament warren]

you're not gonna believe what button I press at 50

spoiler alert:

[royal lantern]

wait wait, i got this

[lament warren]

okay

spit

[royal lantern]

black powder?

[lament warren]

close

[royal lantern]

FUCK

[lament warren]

but it's actually

believe it or not

also secret technique

[twin leaf]

more like.. popular tehnique

[royal lantern]

subtle trick

[pastel onyx]

if I have both torch and box do I use the torch after the opener

[drifting light]

Ye

[royal lantern]

box before DM, torch when DM is over

[pastel onyx]

kk ty

[hidden crown]

Im not sorry I tried Outlaw again

disgusting

Sin > Outlaw change my mind

[royal lantern]

preferences buddy 🙂

[marble hemlock]

Truth, actually.

[scenic kelp]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[scenic kelp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[narrow coral]

!log

[hidden crown]

preference or not looking at procs and buffs are worse than sin

[kind walrus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tall atlas]

When I’m on wowhead I’m seeing only Dtb and kingsbane there isn’t a guide for DTB with exsanguinate

What’s the best way to play that build? It sims bet for me rn

[grim jay]

Its just the same except for the burst

You exsanguinate after refreshing dots to max and before deathmark

[tall atlas]

So ER rupture vanish garrote exsang deathmark

[grim jay]

Yes

[tall atlas]

Shiv on cd

[grim jay]

Yes

[tall atlas]

Use ER on cd but line up with exsang

Save vanish for death

[ebon notch]

Log out mid pull swap to DH

[grim jay]

The whole burst is on #assassination-faq

[ebon notch]

Yw

[grim jay]

You change garrote usage in the burst aswell

[tall atlas]

Do I hold vanish and death for Xsang or just use it and line them up later in the fight

[lament warren]

how do i do that

[tall atlas]

How does it change

[grim jay]

You always hold exsang for DM

[lament warren]

could you teach me

[grim jay]

Except if you miss a cast

[tall atlas]

But don’t hold DM for XS

[ebon notch]

No because I got banned for it

Dark technology

[lament warren]

holy

[grim jay]

Right

[lament warren]

nocco losing world ranks over this one

[ebon notch]

But we needed it to kill eranog

[tall atlas]

Okay cool

[lament warren]

eranog is indeed a formidable boss

[grim jay]

• the kingsbane @tall atlas

[tall atlas]

Right

Perfect

The kingsbane confused me

That’s perfect bro thank you

I didn’t know if it changed other spell prios when it was removed

[grim jay]

Its just in one pic bcs all the opener altering stuff is the same in both builds

[tall atlas]

Right cool that’s brilliant

[grim jay]

Except for kb

[tall atlas]

Is Bonespike on GCD

At work atm

[spice spire]

Yes it is

[normal olive]

wait hol up

bonespike on gcd?

[slim hamlet]

I mean as long as u dont overcap and dont have any left when boss is dead

[normal olive]

damn i usually press it once and only press it again when i'm not in range

[slim hamlet]

huh

why

Non tooltip readers

smh

[normal olive]

we can't read okay

never liked that button

[slim hamlet]

Its like much better energy efficiance

however u spell that word

and it does more dmg

[normal olive]

tbf didn't know it does that much dmg

[slim hamlet]

xdd

[untold mortar]

why does sim say i should press puzzle box after exsang and deathmark

isnt it puzzlebox b4?

[urban mantle]

How's the difference between Kingsbane and DTB for Single Target?

[vestal wren]

both are fairly close

[outer cairn]

It’s a good way to generate those last CPs when you run into issues with no energy, no tea, but sitting at like 2 CPs so you can get enough to finish

[slim hamlet]

openr isnt optimized in sim

[vapid nacelle]

Considering catalyst is coming next week, what would u chose? Hands (to complete 4set) or Grieftorch (i already have stormeater, puzzle and controled technique)

[slim hamlet]

u a pvper mainly?

[vapid nacelle]

eh i didnt play much this week just pvp for fun

didnt have time

[normal olive]

yeah makes way more sense now that i saw that it does some dmg

[slim hamlet]

I am def not takin 389 hands

[restive inlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid nacelle]

the thing is trinket gives me 2.7k dps increase in patchwerk and 4set gives me 5.2k idk

considering i already have 3 good trinkets

but ye catalyst coming next week

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[vapid nacelle]

maybe ill to hc dathea and stuff and ill chose after

[slim hamlet]

i mean idk

If u have acces to tier bosses easily there is just no way 389 is the go to

Depends on guild and stuff ho

[vapid nacelle]

i dont have guild xd but ye ive been clearing hc with pugs easily

just didnt have the time or will to actually do full vault this week

[tall atlas]

Can I use the frozen phials or the the elemental one just leagues ahead

[mental wing]

Are there Weak auras for the 4set for rogue?

i cant see the septic wound.

[tiny finch]

would people laugh at me if i told them i was using instant poison instead of deadly poison since raid day 1?

[karmic tusk]

yes

[tiny finch]

how bad is the dps loss tho?

[thorny pond]

Don’t play around it, it’s just always working

[tiny finch]

id like to mathematically know how dumb i am because of this

[spice spire]

If you have to ask, you already know

[weak horizon]

It's probably pretty bad

Not only do you lose the dot but you lose the energy regen too

And there's that node that makes you do more damage per dot on a target

You'd have to sim it to know for sure

[tiny finch]

thanks for the input

[tiny finch]

nonsense, i need the discord for that

[sage shoal]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[pseudo hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lusty surge]

Last week of kb boys

Can I get a grayed out kb role icon next week

[subtle tundra]

It's kd now kings disappointment

[thorny pond]

no

KB is lyfe

I refuse to give up on my boy

Just because your son eats glue and sniffs dog shit, doesn't mean you give up on them.

[subtle tundra]

I have a son?

[lusty surge]

I hope sepsis isn't good

[subtle tundra]

Who be stealing my sperm

[lusty surge]

Shits kb at home

I'm sure the answer is no, but sepsis doesn't enable iron wire right

[subtle tundra]

I don't think anyone knows in the whole game

[thorny pond]

who would play that to know?

Some 5D braincel who doesn't visit discord and does 35k DPS in his AA runs

[spice spire]

It used to - unsure if it does now

[gusty mirage]

its me

[lusty surge]

Haha

So

[subtle tundra]

I'm getting a lawyer

[lusty surge]

Sepsis into IC

[gusty mirage]

well brother I have some good news for you

I can be your lawyer too

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOO

[gray crest]

what a plot twist

[paper otter]

Guys asking for a friend, why is it last week for kb

[gray crest]

kb and dtb become a choice node, and kb was propped up by the other talent nodes on the way to kb

[dreamy gull]

so uh. this spec is NOT called ass rogue?

[ashen rover]

Sin

[crisp rover]

im a new rogue and been having a hard time being consistent with outlaws rotation and how it unforgiving with mistakes like if u miss procs u go energy starved etc high apm been considering swaping to assassination for now until i can learn more is this spec hard to pick up and do well with compared to outlaws rotation? id have to sacrifie 402 offhand to 385 until raid dagger or m plus

[daring imp]

can also craft a new dagger next week with spark

[gray crest]

might want to drop down one channel to the outlaw channel

[viscid spear]

Ass Rogue
Sub(par) Rogue
(Get) Out Rogue

[daring imp]

LUL

[crisp rover]

no im looking to swap outlaw seems to be to unforgiving for me looking to swap to sin for now

swap to assassination

i mean

i heard subs a bit difficult to pick up also but that sin might be a good choice until i can get better at outlaw

[gusty mirage]

assassination is pretty much the same as its always been, core principals are unchanged, but now we just have like 3-4 extra buttons to manage

but if you find yourself overwhelmed with outlaw, assassination is slower

[ashen rover]

Never played other specs but assassination is pretty straightforward 😄

[gusty mirage]

yeah we don't have any random dice roll buffs that change the way we do things 😛

but yeah assassination's legit the most chill of the 3 specs (as always)

[red atlas]

is assasi easier to play on ST than outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[crisp rover]

yea my numbers on outlaw are low for gear and its h0 build seesm unforgiving if mess up ontop of rng procs

[grim jay]

Tbh I think outlaw is the easiest to learn and adapt to different situations

[gusty mirage]

yeah hidden opportunity is a lot of button presses iirc

wouldn't know, I crafted pvp boots so I couldn't be guilted into crafting a sword for kurog and dathea

[gray crest]

dont be me and run outlaw with 40+% mastery on kurog

biggest mistake of my life

[crisp rover]

i dont see many assassination logs in mythic on staticits alot play sub is it true sub is also hard? for someone new to class

[gusty mirage]

mastery is good for assassination, take my spot

[grim jay]

Told them to bench me if they want me on OL.

[gusty mirage]

I just laughed at my RL

he goes "what if we need you to go outlaw"

I was like that's really unfortunate

[grim jay]

Cant need me and OL at the same time

[gusty mirage]

I mean

I have a 398 fist weapon

that's good enough yeah?

[proper tapir]

Look it's all relative, Sin is lower casts per minute than OL and Sin has pandemic windows that give a bit more room for error. That said, OL gets free cleave with little change to ST rotation and Sin needs to cross dot which is harder.

[gusty mirage]

yeah in cleave outlaw is by far the easiest of the 3 specs

you press 1 button

and bam

cleave

in ST though, assassination is slower so if you feel overwhelmed by outlaw it'll be easier on you

[undone eagle]

guys regarding m+ & vault, if i dont pick any item and a +22 key is waiting in the loot vault, if i do a m+ dungeon lets say +20, do i get a +20 from the chest instead of 22 in the vault?

something similar happend to me last time but i didnt pay attention

[gusty mirage]

the key you loot is tied to whatever you'd get from your vault

[ashen rover]

No u get the key level u are supposed to get in vault

[undone eagle]

Ah so i do a +20 now and get +22 in chest yea?

[crisp rover]

i am missing grief torch which is a smacker of a trinket and rest of my raid has it so that could also be a gap

[ashen rover]

If that's what ur supposed to have in vault, yes

[undone eagle]

oki cheers ❤️

[gusty mirage]

yea grieftorch kinda fucks

[crisp rover]

but 401 4 set and terros i did near 46k

[gusty mirage]

esp if you have warriors who unga bunga into mechanics

[crisp rover]

other rouge was 55 then other raid pumpers near 60

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/dicemeters#difficulty=4

basicly im bad atm

patchwerk i sim 62 so i should atlest be in mid 50s st i guess

2 weeks left in this guild trial so i got a choice keep trying to learn outlaw or risk pisking up assassination as someone new to rogue to try to save my bacon

numbers wise on some im not far off i guess of the others but cant decide

to blue range

[proper tapir]

Bro, try Sin on the target dummy and see how it feels. If you like it try a few bosses in LFR. If you like that too then disenchant your maces.

[crisp rover]

yep best i can do is a 385 offhand till next spark got a infusion but no spark so probly nab tht or run m plus

mace 1 dagg atm

storms have the 1hs so

[next edge]

Oxi

you jinxed me

exsang is 1k ahead now

😦

[gusty mirage]

I did not

if you hate exsang

[next edge]

Tbh i've been spending the last hour on dummies

[gusty mirage]

you probably just got puzzle box

[next edge]

and its quite alright

[gusty mirage]

[next edge]

[next edge]

Nah

got +35 upgrade on shoulders

so infinite haste there

[gusty mirage]

smh not a flaring cowl enjoyer

[next edge]

and upgraded CoS RIng 12 ilvl

[next edge]

wdym I got cowl last week

[gusty mirage]

oh right

shoulders are haste/vers

I furget

[proper tapir]

Yeah, OH is less important than MH. You don't need a 418 OH to test Sin. Make the crafted one or buy one with bloody tokens (easily farmed with pvp WQ)

[next edge]

yeh

[open rapids]

How’s it looking with the new capstone coming for M+. Does it look like a solid buff for M+? Starting to hit walls at 22 keys for my dam as sin.

I don’t want to play sub/ law

[slim hamlet]

u dont even take it

xdd

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

under ptr tab u can see sims

[next edge]

So DTB seems to do 2k above current dmg?

[heady ridge]

When playing dtb without exsanguinate, for our second deathmark, do we wait for vanish to come back up for an improved garrote or do we just pop death mark and then vanish for an improved garrote once its up?

[slim hamlet]

Yea

Still lower aoe I believe

but a lot better st

[next edge]

Is there a way to remove SBS from dummies

its fucking annoying

lol

[gusty mirage]

yes

relog

or fly far away and come back

[hollow cobalt]

Does double sophic also apply to m+?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[next edge]

@gusty mirage doing 65-71k with exsang on dummy, getting better with it tbh

[hollow cobalt]

ty

[lunar mesa]

wanna go tauren but the shiv and envenom animations look so stupid

[slim hamlet]

then dont

[wide ridge]

female undead envenom animation is sick

[slim hamlet]

blood elf bis

no one can change my mind

[glad crown]

Thank God for toys @lunar mesa

[gusty mirage]

sorry im a poe main now

[copper hazel]

[vestal wren]

#path-of-exile <- we got a channel for you

[gusty mirage]

that channel is just me sebe and kiwi tho

[vestal wren]

i never look at it, so no idea who is active in it

poe did not manage to keep me hooked sadly

[snow kindle]

@lunar mesa Tauren gigachad

[teal bloom]

What are your opinions on leech vs avoidance enchantments? I guess it doesn't matter much but idk which to use

[grim jay]

I just use leech

What ilvl are M tier legs again?

415?

[gusty mirage]

ya

[grim jay]

Mate just posted me his choice of 421 legs with avoidance for catalyst, 421 weapon and 421 puzzle

DHs these days

Puzzle is trash for him tho

[vestal wren]

puzzle is also only insane for assassinaiton

[grim jay]

Atleast I got 421 legs aswell, if nothing else. 😄

[dapper flint]

Sorry for asking again, i just have to clarify - do i hold puzzle+exsang for dm every time if no casts of either will be missed?

[grim jay]

yes

[dapper flint]

thanks

[void tapir]

so its my first time trying ass, what talents do i go for eranog?

[slow marsh]

#assassination-faq

[void tapir]

i can see talent trees there yes

but which one would be best for eranog specifically?

like its a st target with a bit of a cleave

[gray crest]

I would check subcreation for that kind of thing

[slow marsh]

it just depends

is your group gonna melt everything before you get any value out of multi dotting or not

[void tapir]

id assume yes at this point of the patch

[gusty mirage]

single target

if your group needs add damage

its not your problem

[void tapir]

oh wow subcreation is a sick site

[slow marsh]

so then no real point bothering with cleave and what oxi said

[void tapir]

first time i discover it

also ty <3

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

assassination is good for sustained multi target but not so much burst multi target

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you guys are really hurting for add damage

just play outlaw tbh

or sub

[void tapir]

which st tree would be easiest to play?

[gusty mirage]

dragon tempered

[slow marsh]

dtb

[grim jay]

[void tapir]

ye i main outlaw but i wanna do something different

[gusty mirage]

trying to maintain dots in kurog is fun

10/10 experience

I was given the green light to just full send boss

[grim jay]

thats a feelsgood moment

[gusty mirage]

that's my RL going "you're doing mediocre damage in 2T"

and me going

[slow marsh]

the never ending plight of assassination

[void tapir]

oh god why are there so many abilities

[grim jay]

I'm really dying inside even thinking about the pistol sounds of outlaw

[gusty mirage]

because they wanted us to pretend we're actually doing more than we did before

[void tapir]

pew pew pew

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Yeah at first I was kind of overwhelmed with all the new stuff but then I realized it's the same exact shit

No difference in gameplay

Grieftorch is the most fun button I have

[void tapir]

last two questions, i use poisoned knife when im far away and just use one serrated bone spike at the beginning of the fight?

[gusty mirage]

just wait until next week

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-9864414

[void tapir]

ive cleared broodkeeper like 10 times already with no grieftorch

[slow marsh]

i'm considering just playing outlaw after next week with the KS change tbh

[gusty mirage]

we heard you like build diversity

so we decided to remove it

-someone at blizzard probably

[slow marsh]

yeah it really killed my vibe coming back being like oh snaps there's like 4 builds i could play

just kidding

[gusty mirage]

now we have less build diversity than sub

[grim jay]

2.7k rio 412 ilvl getting declined on a 16 CoS.

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

I feel like it wouldn't hurt so bad if they were adding a good talent

[gusty mirage]

I mean

the talent is fine

ish

[gray crest]

we have st, aoe, and i guess mega aoe

[slow marsh]

It is fine ish but shouldn't be a capstone imo

it should lead into something else

[gusty mirage]

I mean neither should IC

lmfao

[slow marsh]

yeah

But

I'd rather AP lead into IC

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if all the sub rogues still think IC is SUPER fun

[slow marsh]

cuz you know that would make sense

[gusty mirage]

when they got mad that we got SO many new FUN buttons

and they got danse macabre

[grim jay]

dunno why we cant just have a generally useful cap with dtb, one thats more ST + Cleave and one big aoe capstone

that would be good

[earnest remnant]

no we dont, QoL if anything

[grim jay]

and a nerfed KB version as choice for exs

[gusty mirage]

I mean that's what they tried doing

IC helps in aoe

AP helps in cleave

just DTB is too fucking strong

that was the issue we had with it in alpha and beta

[earnest remnant]

i think the idea behind IC is cool af

[gusty mirage]

it was always the pick

[grim jay]

yeah but you would need to make AP worth taking in ST over random talents. like wtf

[gusty mirage]

if dtb didn't exist

we 100% play AP

[slow marsh]

IC should actually be a choice node with AP with something else bleed as the capstone

[gusty mirage]

w/ KB probably

but ya know

if dtb didn't exist

[grim jay]

exsang pre nerf

[gusty mirage]

we'd do ww ST

so

there's that ig

[earnest remnant]

side note, u lookin fresh af in that pfp oxi

[gusty mirage]

I woke up and wanted to be as hot as you

[slow marsh]

Reworked exsang that hits all your bleeds

[gusty mirage]

just make it an aoe flourish

why is that so hard

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Cuz it's rogue

[gusty mirage]

yeah, remember when we all got aura nerfed? and then they decided assassination was too strong and gave us an extra 1%?

[grim tangle]

I'm thinking of becoming a sub rogue one trick

[manic haven]

Do we want to wait and line up a fresh vanish garrote before applying DM? Or is it fine to vanish garrotte after applying DM?

[gusty mirage]

now we're middle of the pack?

meanwhile unholy dk got buffed

and destro

and aff

and evoker

[tacit otter]

any chance someone can take a look at my log?:)

[gusty mirage]

am I missing anything?

[earnest remnant]

firemage

[slow marsh]

You can vanish after DM is fine as long as you fit a full imp gar

[gusty mirage]

nerfed based on heroic logs where people were missing tier

lol

[slow marsh]

It happens every tier though

[gusty mirage]

almost as interesting of a design choice as buffing destro 1 week into season 3 SL

wait until 10.1

I sense they're going to beat the absolute shit out of sub & outlaw w/ the nerf bat

for no reason

[earnest remnant]

the more interesting thing imo, is arcane just slipping through the radar

[gusty mirage]

we were strong for a month

[gusty mirage]

lmao no no

it was "just externals"

[vestal wren]

i never thought it was fun

[subtle tundra]

buddy the fact that boomy is how it is says a lot about the balance

[gusty mirage]

idk some of the guys overthere were absolutely MALDING that assassination got all these "cool new buttons"

[vestal wren]

assassinaiton lacks a filler when bleeds are rolling, so kind of not super good gameplay wise

i mean yes

[slow marsh]

Im sad I missed the strong for a month phase but also I'm fine with hopping back in where I'm used to sin being just ok and constantly being asked why I'm not outlaw

[vestal wren]

the assumption was that damage is more spread towards bleeds

[gusty mirage]

"outlaw is overperforming in m+"

[vestal wren]

but now with the flood on ressources you get

[gusty mirage]

it's just the same shit every expac

[vestal wren]

from the talent tree, you kind of shift more damage elsewhere

[gusty mirage]

we taste being OP for a bit

then get slammed back to reality

when everyone else gets gear and skyrockets past us

zzzz

[vestal wren]

i think it is just a consequence

of information flow

and how blizz tunes

[gusty mirage]

we get punished for having ethical theorycrafters

[slow marsh]

Yeah we kind of suffer from success

[gusty mirage]

apparently

idk

we have some of the best information out there

[vestal wren]

thats not what i mean

[slow marsh]

No it's 100% that

[gusty mirage]

so rogues go in super prepared

perform well

then bonk

[vestal wren]

my point is, that we don't have enough information

[gusty mirage]

every time

[slow marsh]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

realz said in whispyr's stream

that it was based on heroic logs

[vestal wren]

so we all swim in a soup of incomplete information and only can rly say how good rogue is relative to rogue

[gusty mirage]

and that arcane is fine and only performing super well because of "externals"

[slow marsh]

Versus other classes where the top 1% keep their secrets in their goblin caves

[subtle tundra]

just make assa do dmg in m+ already zzzzzzzzzz

[vestal wren]

and blizz is in a simialr boat, but they lack information for specs/classes

so what they do is grap statistics from logs

[gusty mirage]

that 100% confirms they look at WCL statistics which is absurd

[vestal wren]

and balance on them

[slim hamlet]

So just a skill issue on all other classes part

[earnest remnant]

like i remember hc week i was playing assa and just wrecking everybody on boss dmg, but i was also the most geared dps in raid by quite a margin

[slim hamlet]

D tier btw

[quick harbor]

!Whispyr

[gusty mirage]

when in 9.1 we had yoppa playing with like 17 externals

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

lol

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[vestal wren]

so in a sense, if you had more information and it would be more obviouse when / why any of the classes/specs is good

[slim hamlet]

Its not like we arent good?

[vestal wren]

you could start approaching it more theoretical

[gusty mirage]

what is assassination good at

ST?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[gusty mirage]

are we?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[marble hemlock]

Arcane doesn't perform well cuz most mage players are fotm fire mage rerollers who can't play a spec that doesnt do 80% of it's damage during CDs where everything is instant cast

[slim hamlet]

just because we arent best

[vestal wren]

it is rly good in st, and has a good execute

[slim hamlet]

doesnt mean we arent good

[gusty mirage]

okay

[earnest remnant]

also true

[gusty mirage]

what do we bring besides damage

3% dr?

lol?

[slim hamlet]

yea boy

[brazen zodiac]

3 👍

[gusty mirage]

that isn't even a blanket DR?

[vestal wren]

i am actually surprised that arcane did not get hit by a nerf

[slim hamlet]

and unkillable if that makes a diff

[gusty mirage]

because if its environmental damage it doesn't do anything?

theoretically, I've come to the conclusion that blizzard has no idea how to balance their game

and make repeat knee jerks based on WCL

[slim hamlet]

How many years have you been playing

[gusty mirage]

too many

[slow marsh]

rogue has always been unkillable. but so has mage so

[slim hamlet]

First finding out about that now

[slow marsh]

and warlock

[vestal wren]

WCL statistic and perception (what is highly impacted by streamers)

[slim hamlet]

I have been playing for 2 and I know their balancing sucks ass

[vestal wren]

are two high impact factors

[slim hamlet]

However I will not complain about rogue, as I feel like they're pretty epic gamers right now

[gusty mirage]

you're telling me a multi billion dollar company doesn't have internal metrics for spec performance?

because if they don't

what the actual fuck

[earnest remnant]

i think going of, of wcl is fine, they just tend to do it way to soon, so the data is not accurate what so ever

[slim hamlet]

Lets see what happens, they have done a lot more tuning than normal afaik

hopefully they dont stop

[slow marsh]

It's just they have this crazy philosphy of nerfing the top instead of buffing the bottom. Sometimes nerfs are needed sure but every nerf to an overperformer should require at least two underperformers getting buffed

[vestal wren]

they have to my knowledge:

• a simc-like dummy script
• a wcl like statistic, but also access to data from everyone

[nocturne current]

you're telling me a multi billion dollar company doesn't have internal metrics for insert random metric?

[gusty mirage]

also the copium that we do execute damage

pretty sure after arms' buffs

they do better execute damage

• they bring rally

• battle shout

[earnest remnant]

they dont

[slim hamlet]

I remember an interview where they said they never wanted to move which specs were better with tuning. As in they wanted top spec to still be top but just not by as much

[gusty mirage]

• what boss is execute necessary?

[slim hamlet]

Which is kinda

[vestal wren]

the reason subtlety did not get rolled over due to wcl statistic is the low player pool

[slim hamlet]

insane to me

[marble hemlock]

Raszageth is the only one

[earnest remnant]

KB is assa does more but i do agree with this, execute doesent really matter this tier

[slim hamlet]

Pretty good reason for it to be good

[gusty mirage]

you mean the spec that's dead on arrival on reset?

nice

[slim hamlet]

Yeah that one is rough