#assassination

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thorn fjord
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DM would be up sometime around the second add dying

cursive frost
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Ew

grim jay
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With an S, as in "See yourself out if you play outlul"

thorn fjord
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Depending on grp dps and how fast you guys get up those steps

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Soutlaw

cursive frost
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I am bispectual and proud

chilly viper
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at least what's good with sennarth is that you reach the godly cd's timing

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6m DM/Exs/puzzle/kb

grim jay
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Jk, we all are one big family. You just cant choose your family

thorn fjord
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Yeah its nice

cursive frost
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That 6m line up is so juicy

chilly viper
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with 2nd pot*

thorn fjord
chilly viper
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You'll get there šŸ™‚

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talking about fights, my personal fav is kurog

thorn fjord
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Now we just gotta get the warlocks to stop dropping circles right in front of boss lol

cursive frost
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Kurog is such a great fight design

dim mural
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I put 1 garrote on it from stealth then full focud sennarth

royal lantern
chilly viper
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Isn't that a dps loss ?

royal lantern
chilly viper
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no pandemic garotte on exs = loss? maybe ?

hardy dagger
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That first add kinda just falls over so i just ignored itCheesin

hearty junco
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when is the "new" talent tree coming?

chilly viper
grim jay
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Bro like

chilly viper
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its probably better 2 garottes

unreal coyote
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!fuu

grim jay
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You literally use vanish garrote

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Before exsang

chilly viper
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I do during dm

grim jay
chilly viper
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I see slight dps gain, I do

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dim mural
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You also have plenty of time to garrote boss during the imp garr window

chilly viper
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I'm a simple man

grim jay
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If you wanna garrote an add before boss

chilly viper
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Just fucks the opener

grim jay
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Im pretty sure it would be a loss

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If you delay

slim hamlet
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Does that mean I need to reroll if I have these instead?

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chilly viper
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but yeah in that situation vanishing before exsang could be the play

royal lantern
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no 34% crit

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wtf

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how do you even play

slim hamlet
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Sorry

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šŸ˜¦

royal lantern
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thats beyond sorry

dim mural
grim jay
thorn crater
slim hamlet
slim hamlet
chilly viper
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I 'm too dumb to do the numbers but the play might be to garotte snd garotte rup er rupt necro dot vanish garotte add garotte boss exsang dm

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lol

slim hamlet
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Wat

chilly viper
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or just ignore the god damn add šŸ˜‚

near magnet
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
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My ruby bird trinket thing just did 200k with one cast

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Only at 2 trains

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st

grim jay
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Its a dragon

slim hamlet
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Bird

grim jay
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How is it a bird

slim hamlet
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Bird

cursive frost
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Whelp

slim hamlet
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B i r d

chilly viper
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maybe its the old wrathion as a trinket

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dim mural
grim jay
# slim hamlet B i r d

You are just as irritating as my mate calling the Bison things in HoV hamsters and the stags horses

chilly viper
royal lantern
slim hamlet
royal lantern
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feel whispyr

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become whispyr

chilly viper
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Breath whispyr

royal lantern
chilly viper
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good boi

dim mural
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Yea, he garrotes the add

grim jay
chilly viper
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So this is our last week playing kb? šŸ˜„

slim hamlet
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Has reset already happened on na?

chilly viper
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Nah tomorrow, one week and a day

slim hamlet
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oh shit

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its monday

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not tuesday

thorn fjord
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Talent changes arent till 10.1 though arent they?

slim hamlet
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10.0.5

thorn fjord
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orly?

chilly viper
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Pretty sure it's 10.0.5 yea

slim hamlet
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ye

dawn merlin
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is 10.0.5 this week? been out of it

chilly viper
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24th

thorn fjord
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its next week

slim hamlet
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24th/25th

dawn merlin
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ah thanks

slim hamlet
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i believe

thorn fjord
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yeah 24th NA

slim hamlet
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Gotta get that beta test in before EU gets it

cursive frost
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They need to toss us a 3% buff

grim jay
shell raft
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
chilly viper
cursive frost
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Wish they would just revert the massive buffs they gave them earlier

subtle tundra
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kinda weird ap hasnt been touched

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has 1 use only

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council

chilly viper
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ap ? šŸ˜®

slim hamlet
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New capstone

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Feels like utility capstone and not focused on dmg

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Even tho it does a lot of aoe

plain onyx
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is DTB build more recommended in tyrannical weeks than KB+IC ?

pseudo hamlet
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
pseudo hamlet
chilly viper
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iw whispyr's sheet updated for 10.0.5 or ?

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oh, no its not

wary ice
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10 5 isn't real yet

chilly viper
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I know, was just curious

slim hamlet
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There is ptr tab

thorn crater
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FENRYR'S FANG 421

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FUCK YEAH

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totally worth the ban wait

royal lantern
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gz

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wait what ban wait

thorn crater
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i told some kid noone loves him cause he left at final boss of hov 20 to spite the tank he got in a fight with

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he reported me and i caught a one week banm

strange python
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It's always wild to me how sensitive gamers are in 2023

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Compared to the old days

royal lantern
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thats not sensetive

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thats assholes beeing assholes

strange python
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Ditching the overt racism is a obvious W, whining about someone saying something mean is soft.

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Leaving a key just to spite one person in the key is 10x the asshole move that saying something mean is. Learning that actions speak louder than words usually happens by the age of 6

thorn crater
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oh it gets worse

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they had the fight on HYRJA

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he stayed up till odyn

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and left then

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and i dont have a fuckin group to just run 20s

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was my one shot to get it that week

strange python
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People are too fucking sensitive

thorn crater
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bruh how messed up do u have to be

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to stay 20 more minutes ina dungeon

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not say a word

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and just leave at the last second out of spite so people dont complete the 20

nova bloom
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Just a game, my dude

thorn fjord
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aint no way blizzard banned you for a week for saying no one loves him

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be honest you dropped a hard r

fiery torrent
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Would this macro get rid of the downtime when trying to kick mid melee swing?

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#showtooltip Kick
/stopattack
/cast Kick
/startattack

strange python
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Bans for not even saying anything bad

burnt venture
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Damn ladsā€¦ AP isnā€™t the increase in AoE I thought it would be šŸ¤”

thorn crater
burnt venture
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At least glancing at preliminary sims

thorn crater
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GM linked me the messages

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apparently its a big nono cause of the whole contract we signed at teh release of dragonflight

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also what is the r?

strange python
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Hard r is the gamer racist word

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Pretty sure you get logged out on the spot for saying it

thorn fjord
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yeah i aint saying that shit

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I dunno ive seen people say some pretty rank shit to other for leaving and they havent been banned

thorn crater
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i honestly dont get it but aint no reason to write it anyway

thorn fjord
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i just call em sissy's and move on with my day

thorn crater
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and it took a day and a half to get the ban

visual sequoia
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why u play thistle tea in the opener? the faq says u dont play around the mastery buff? but in the burst window it seems very good or not?

chilly viper
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cause you already capped

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so you just losing on a charge

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and buff

visual sequoia
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ok so it doesnt make sense to kinda bind it together with shiv to sync them in your 1min kb burst

slim hamlet
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u wanna use if you're either overcapping or starving on energy

visual sequoia
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ok ok

slim hamlet
chilly viper
visual sequoia
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yea u starve on energy otherwise i guess

surreal fractal
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Speaking of, does a ā€˜shiv > kb > shivā€™ macro make sense? The only time you shiv in kb build is during that time, right?

thorn fjord
rich dawn
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Hey is anyone struggling to do good dps on council?

nocturne current
visual sequoia
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i always play sub on council lol

rich dawn
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Do you try to keep your dots on all four targets, active at the same time? Or are you just brought them every 45 seconds that indiscriminate carnage is up?

woeful meteor
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All Dots all Targets

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Spam CT in between

nocturne current
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Depends on the situation but I would say most of time IC would do the job since Rupture is already about half time of IC

strange python
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do we line up puzzle box with something other than the opener or do we play it on cd?

nocturne current
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And the other half I'm probably doing some other shit

woeful meteor
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!puzzle

prisma monolithBOT
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Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

strange python
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ty

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The "very special fight length" in question being basically anything around 3:30

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And you'd hold DM for that too

nocturne current
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I play subterfuge so after the garrote drops, I save Vanish and apply new x4

woeful meteor
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3:30 or 6:30

nocturne current
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Then I maybe Rupture 1 or 2 targets, and IC is probably up again

rich dawn
strange python
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6:30 is long enough where the impact is a bit diluted and less important but ye

visual sequoia
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Does it matter when we sbs in the opener? raidbots tells me to garrote - slice-garrote-sbs-rupture-er-rupture-exs-dm...

woeful meteor
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Not really, the difference between that one and the opener from FAQ should be minimal

lament dove
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is there a particular reason why MA is taken over Exsang in the DTB dungeon build?

violet jackal
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You get a lot of value out of master assassin in dungeon resteakthing between packs

lament dove
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with 3 garrote opener...?

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doesn't seem so big to me

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you mean if you restealth on an already engaged group?

nocturne current
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You can get a lot of value from MA if you play around it with splash abilities.

frank tiger
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!whispyr

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timber basalt
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Dumb question but how exactly are you supposed to los the water elemental cast in jade

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It comes out so fast I can never make it around the corner

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Plus the elementals hit box seems to clip or smth

open arrow
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is flaring cowl good for assa rogue? or is it prefered to have a weapon embellishment and lariat?

gusty mirage
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Yes

open arrow
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yes it's good...?

timber basalt
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Yes it's good, you can sim it

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It's available in droptimizer

open arrow
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ohhhh, didnt know that xd cheers

flint tusk
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wep embellishment is meh.
cowl alone is alright not amazing. but paired with the eranog ring it's insane

open arrow
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ye got the ring on reset, but cant craft cowl since I have 4set with helm :=)))))

timber basalt
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I think it's also simmed in the spreadsheets, either whispyrs or fuus

gusty mirage
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Actually the most cursed situation to be in

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Itā€™s okay 2 weeks until catalyst is open

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Well I guess a week now cuz itā€™s almost reset

open arrow
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ye, hopefully I get tier gloves on reset xd otherwise just have to wait one more week :)))

gusty mirage
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Iā€™m still waiting for a proper explanation as to why they made us wait this long

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Besides ā€œthis is how we did it season 3 of shadowlandsā€

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Because thatā€™s not a proper explanation

flint tusk
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you probably won't get one

vestal wren
flint tusk
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it's been fine for raiders.
but pvp and M+ only players have gotten screwed by their timeline

vestal wren
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the catalyst is not a system designed for raiders

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hence it makes more sense to release it once you almost always have 4p

flint tusk
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except you could get tier from vault for M+ and pvp

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so RNG had a play in power gain

vestal wren
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it means you had higher incentive to farm the raid before that, even on multiple difficulties (player engagement)

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and you get a reason to continue farming gear for small upgrades with the catalyst (extend player engagement)

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so overall, the timing seems good to make the player spend the most time in the game

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what i think is a important metric for the wow dev team

vestal wren
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i don't say its good design, it def. is not

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but just looking at ways to keep people playing, a lot of decisions of blizz do seem to have this goal

warped shard
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guys, whats the best way of AOE without IC / DM up?

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do you just spam knives and tempest and keep applying rupture / garrote to multitarget?

balmy condor
bronze dust
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Is it better to Vanish > Garrote Pre Exang/Deathmark with the new KB build? or hold and use later while still in the box window?

storm forum
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
digital compass
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anyone know if Fenryr's Bloodstained Fang is actually on the loot table and not bugged in HOV? 25+ runs haven't seen once šŸ˜¦

vestal wren
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it is on it

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the loot table is just fairly big

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so getting the exact item is hard

storm forum
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god i wish i was drunk enough to type out another tinfoil_pepe theory about this

shut owl
strange python
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For kingsbane do you shiv right after the other or do you wait until 1/3 left?

thorn crater
digital compass
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the statistics depress me xD

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thanks all, just sanity checking :)O

strange python
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Is there any priorities for crafts besides weapons ?

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And lariat

burnt venture
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Cowl and lariat are #1. But only cowl if you have Eranog ring. If you donā€™t have ring, lariat and weapon

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Thereā€™s a pin about it

vestal wren
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!sheet has simulations on it too

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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Just say the pin in general

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Thank you !

quick harbor
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Does any one know the command for the explain for the integrated multilate and ambush

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Saw some Addon for it

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Didnt save it

lament warren
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weapons donā€™t have to be embellished

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so you can make all c 3

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we have mucho sparks so i just didnā€™t make cowl because i have tier there

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and boots are also good

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and not a tier slot

vestal wren
prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

vestal wren
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oh wait

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!ambush

prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

quick harbor
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Cheers thanks mate

vestal wren
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^ there it is, but keep in mind it isn't ideal

quick harbor
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Why isnt it ideal?

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Does that addon lag ?

vestal wren
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the addon might require multiple clicks

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and workarounds can have unintended side effects

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it worked well when i tested it

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but also someone did ping me because he had issues i couldn't replicate

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basically, just try it

quick harbor
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Alright cheers!

vestal wren
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and if it works fine for you, nice

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if it does not, you can think about using separate binds

gusty mirage
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and I've never seen the dagger

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I've gotten 11 pairs of boots tho

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so that's kinda cool ig

lean coral
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yeh ive done alot of smbgs never seen that dagger

hardy crypt
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which damaging poisons do i put on w/ tempered blades? lethal and amplifying?

lean coral
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i just got 2 crafted ones

gusty mirage
next edge
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tbh

gusty mirage
lean coral
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wasnt it like 2

gusty mirage
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go into heroic and LOVE it

next edge
gusty mirage
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AND NORMAL

next edge
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750 IS TOO MUTCH

gusty mirage
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AND LFR

next edge
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I CAN UPGRADE 3 ITEMS A MONTH

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ITS REALLY SATISFYING

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:))))))))

gusty mirage
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dude

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TRUE

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if valor was uncapped I could raid log

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unlucky

strange python
next edge
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I mean

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I dont think valor uncapped is the solution

gusty mirage
next edge
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but 750 a week

thorn fjord
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heres hoping that uncap comes next week

next edge
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is fucking BULLSHIT

gusty mirage
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I'm convinced its just the boots

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tbh

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because every other leather wearer gets the boots every single time

strange python
vestal wren
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oxis char is a boot fetishist peepostudy

gusty mirage
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I guess so

next edge
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Just give 1250 valor a week

gusty mirage
next edge
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tbh

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750 is an insult

gusty mirage
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where's this thingy from

vestal wren
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maybe we get uncap with 10.0.5

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
next edge
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but I can't upgrade it

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because I took other priorities

weak plover
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CoS has a ring?

next edge
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and yeah 750 a week ))))))))))))))))

weak plover
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could have fooled me

thorn fjord
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Ring is ez

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trinket dont exist

vestal wren
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and farm academy for puzzle

thorn fjord
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Really wan M Erranog ring this week šŸ˜¦

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Already have my PB

next edge
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Btw @gusty mirage

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whenever you have spare time

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could you check DM

spice spire
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Puzzlebox does not

gusty mirage
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my 415 I upgraded yesterday says otherwise

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
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Yeah ive been able to get 3 other guildies the box

spice spire
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Iā€™ve seen 4 whetstone and 6 rings drop

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5/6 went to casters

thorn fjord
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damn

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so what you're saying is i should be running cos with you

spice spire
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I vaulted mine kekdog

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Yes msn

thorn fjord
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Then you can run AA with me and i can get you box

spice spire
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Anything to replace this god forsaken raz trinket

oak tangle
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Had a grieftorch and a whispering icon since week 1 of raid. still only one in team with icon

spice spire
grim tangle
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I have mythic grieftorch :)

thorn crater
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normal raz trinket any nodders?

royal lantern
thorn fjord
upbeat hazel
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should i be casting envenoms to keep elaborate planning up?

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like chaining them

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or should i only care about the envenom buff

royal lantern
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you dont play around elaborate planning

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and envenom is W/E aswell

upbeat hazel
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so what do i play around

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do i never pool or

royal lantern
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no

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you dont play around envenom or EP

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pooling isnt a thing for like 10years now

upbeat hazel
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thats not true

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lol

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but good to know i shouldn't care about those buffs i guess, makes things easier

royal lantern
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the thing is like, you have ~80% envenom uptime by default or something like that

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if you play around it, it becomes 1%more

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its just not worth the headache and you will probs just lose dps by trying to do it

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same with EP

storm forum
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Having full uptime on envenom during kb is nice, but tea makes it so you don't rly need to pool or anything for it

stable apex
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
thorn crater
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Kb exsang is a whooping 90 dps higher for me

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i think i'll pass till it becomes more

storm forum
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Over what? DTB no exang?

thorn crater
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dtb exsang

royal lantern
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but like

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nah

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i play kb for raza and thats it

thorn crater
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mate my guild cant kill brood hc

next edge
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Ex sang opener giving me brainfarts

thorn crater
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ive done them on pugs

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and skip raz

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zero drops on taht shit

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got curve and never looking back

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since i dont see myself getting CE with this guild

royal lantern
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like

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i always either use it during DM

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or forget to use it in general

thorn crater
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do u guys actually bother to sync the vanish with dm btw?

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for DTB

dreamy raft
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so I'm going to try raiding and have never used SBS, how should I prioritize it in my rotation?

sand elm
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just it in the opener then just dont cap 3 charges

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can also use it to keep the gcd rolling if u have to move out of melee range

dreamy raft
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sweet thank ya

next edge
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or if there are adds

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you can just throw it to them

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dmg anad charges get back when they die

fallen charm
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Is the whelp trinket totally broken and BIS yet?

slim hamlet
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Yeah it is 124% dmg increase

strange python
slim hamlet
strange python
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Whispyr lazy clearly

fallen charm
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Back to sleep then

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wake me up the whelp trinket is bis

vestal wren
thorn crater
strange python
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In your opener maybe. But not forcing garrote reapply makes further DMs funky with vanish

thorn crater
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also, what would i do? ER rup vanish gar exsang dm?

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no ty

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it is still fine

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i still get it back during DM

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fights dont last long enough for there to be a reason to hard sync

misty holly
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Kinda strange have to spend 7 days prepping just to check if it's any good.

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And if it's not then spend 7 more switching to try something else.

strange python
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
sand elm
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is a 418 crafted weapon with embelishment better than a 421 m+ weapon from vault?

storm forum
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Use both?

wooden knot
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i just spend 1h reading the wowhead guide and trying to play openers and rotations on dummies. I think i might be too stupid to play this spec

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Does anyone have some advice in regards to learning? XD

sand elm
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split it in to chunks of 3/4 abilities then add on top of it

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thats how i did it

wooden knot
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What do you mean?

sand elm
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say the opener is 10 buttons

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learn 3/4 then add a few more on

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till it becomes muscle memory

pulsar apex
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!whispyr

sand elm
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trying to learn an opener all in 1 go can be a bit difficult

pulsar apex
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
fallen charm
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the oppener kinda has no secret

wooden knot
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i see

sand elm
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its purely just practice into muscle memory

fallen charm
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just repeat on target dummies until you get it

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it is always the same if you follow the guide

severe sparrow
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this is really silly but i have a naga and what helps me learn openers is thinking about the shapes my groups of 3 buttons make

stiff garden
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Hey guys, whats happened to bloodmallet saying Puzzle Box is now middle of the pack? Consensus here is that it is still BiS, right?

severe sparrow
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like "ok left down, 3 across top, bottom back up"

sand elm
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puzzle/manic is still bis for us

severe sparrow
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im describing this really poorly but it's muscle memory with extra steps

keen spruce
stiff garden
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I cannot believe Zelda would do this

past kettle
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@spice rock do you have a link to you IC talent set up? pretty please

stiff garden
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Thanks Vezrina

sand elm
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np

upbeat hazel
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with kingsbane i basically never shiv outside of KB?

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i just hold 2 stacks for 10 sec until KB comes up?

formal cliff
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yup

sand elm
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are u guys running mastery/crit or crit/mastery for ur elemental lariats?

royal lantern
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crit mastery simmed higher for me

keen viper
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is there any video guide for assassination rogue dragonflight?

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i only do 55k dps as 407 sin rogue šŸ˜¦

sand elm
#

i dont know of any sin rogues that do video guides

bitter aurora
keen viper
#

any help tips that will improve me ? šŸ™‚

formal cliff
sand elm
keen viper
#

i understand

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i have some

warped shard
#

deathmark and exsanguinate are single target abilities right?

#

they dont buff ALL bleeds?

storm forum
#

yes, they are affect only a single target

past kettle
#

@balmy condor could you link me your IC build for AOE? please

balmy condor
formal cliff
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lol

storm forum
#

man i was hoping that was going to link to some secret tech

balmy condor
#

Highly secret

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Itā€™s well hidden

formal cliff
#

Secret tech is sub only

#

cap

signal rivet
#

Is there any new version of wowanalyzer that's kicking around somewhere that I can't seem to find? Really liked using it to improve back when it was updated

subtle tundra
#

the secret is actually playing sub

strange python
#

do you just double shiv right off the bat when you kingsbane or do you wait until 1/3 of the way left?

storm forum
#

the secret is open up with 3x garrote, and then shadowmeld + IC

formal cliff
storm forum
#

so i guess pandemic

strange python
#

ahh okay thank you

balmy condor
upbeat hazel
#

also, outside of opener, do i shiv before KB or right after?

balmy condor
#

Before

storm forum
#

so shiv before

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cause you have the time

strange python
#

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upbeat hazel
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thought so, wanted to make sure since its opposite in opener

storm forum
#

why is it opposite in the opener?

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try to fit it into puzzle box buff?

chilly viper
#

!plater

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!addons

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!wa

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balmy condor
chilly viper
#

lol trying to find whispyr plater profile

storm forum
#

does double lethal poisons from deathmark affect kingsbane?

chilly viper
#

@balmy condor Do you have the link close of your plate profile ?

balmy condor
balmy condor
storm forum
#

in my head i thought it was only doubling the debuff, not the applications, idk why i thought that way

winter gale
#

This kingsbane build will be best until 10.0.5?

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I think I make more bad rotational mistakes than is the difference between KB and 2nd best build šŸ˜‚

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Or good rotational mistakes , haha

chilly viper
thorny pond
#

Sinister Concoction node with exsang

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Make it happen

slim hamlet
#

From what I understand we get a niche capstone and make an old capstone deadge

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And I guess more interesting choice in m+

severe oyster
#

I'm pretty excited for IC DTB. I'm tired of playing sub.

slim hamlet
#

Its not like it sims a lot higher than ic kb right?

severe oyster
#

Not sure, but for some reason I can't seem to get ic kb to work for me. Probably doing something fundamentally wrong combined with pugs being chaos and not having good routes/pulls.

thorn crater
#

unless troll or enrage week

severe oyster
#

Enrage is druids job. Kappa

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Knowing Blizzard though AP won't get rid of enrages on anything but the main target

thorn crater
#

but hey

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the council build is gonna pump now

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with AP IC

slim hamlet
#

just like it is now

thorn crater
#

XD

slim hamlet
#

Ćæeah

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same difference

thorn crater
#

not rly

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u get a minor aoe bonus

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and u hit like a dry noodle

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on bosses

slim hamlet
#

I think it will be taken on some forti keys

severe oyster
#

And if it does get rid of enrages. "Oh rogues are preferred in keys? We are going to nerf AP damage ratio to 5% and up shivs cd to 60 seconds."

thorn crater
#

on raging weeks sure

slim hamlet
#

Enrage 100%

thorn crater
#

but tbh if im gonna play ap ic i might as well go outlaw

#

watching me hit bosses for zilch dmg aint it

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(personal preference)

thorny pond
#

Depends on week. DTB AP with CT will be good AoE

balmy condor
thorny pond
#

And still crank ST

thorn crater
#

for temple and shadowmoon sure

severe oyster
balmy condor
thorny pond
#

Sin only feels bad for M+ because the choice is easy to go outlaw. But itā€™s literally the conversation any other class has. ā€œThere is a trade off, what do we need for this run?ā€

severe oyster
thorn crater
#

but druid has single target enrage dispel right

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so whats the difference

balmy condor
#

Taking a druid for the enrage dispel instead of an evoker is a bold choice

severe oyster
#

Why not both?

thorny pond
#

Shiv Zolds will crank

thorn crater
#

thats cap

balmy condor
thorny pond
balmy condor
thorn crater
#

u still have zoldyck without ap and u get shrouded and SBS instead

thorny pond
#

So is Druid

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Itā€™s just not Evoker

#

Sin is good, just not ā€œxā€

thorn crater
#

also where is that guy that kept harassing me for saying ap and KB look weak and might need a buff to see play

#

gotta fart on his face

severe oyster
balmy condor
thorny pond
#

Sin has a ton of flexibility for m+ coming up.

severe oyster
#

Ahh. Hell yeah.

thorny pond
#

Like, itā€™ll be good. Probably not S tier but you can work around many comps

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Which is a big plus

thorn crater
#

basically we are now at the point of praying for 4 target fights in the next raid

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so AP can be relevant

severe oyster
#

That's honestly my fault for not knowing anything about the class though. First 2 weeks of the expansion Evokers were on something else and kept flying into mechanics and ruining keys. So I stopped inviting them

thorn crater
#

in my mind at least

thorny pond
#

I mean, they will also change and tune again before next raid

#

Donā€™t double hypothetical yourself unless you have an Rx strength excedrin

proper basin
#

Hi

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Does Sim take lariat and its buff into account when searching for upgrades in your gear?

vestal wren
#

yes

proper basin
#

ty ^^

versed canopy
thorny pond
#

In the choices you will be able to take. Which build your group needs, etc

tacit oar
#

hi what should I do in first raszageth intermission ? focus big adds and just cleave with fan of knives ?

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(dtb build)

ancient halo
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fok poisonbomb env spam?

tacit oar
#

yea that's what I'm doing, just asking to be sure

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:D

balmy condor
#

Ye

tacit oar
#

thanks whispyr

royal lantern
violet jackal
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
fickle seal
#

Does anybody have the excel of the %dmg that increases each tier set to each class and spec?

violet jackal
cloud crown
#

why does Puzzle box have less than 1 sec of channeling time in Quick Sim?

rigid rain
#

!fu

fickle seal
#

Thanks! @violet jackal

rigid rain
#

why do we craft haste mastery on helm ?

violet jackal
violet jackal
slim hamlet
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I hate rock boy

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Thought everyone should know

rigid rain
#

thanks

cloud crown
slow marsh
#

is the cobalt ring worth farming for or skip

tacit otter
#

most of 390+ rings were already better for me

lean fossil
#

!whisper

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!whysper

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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
lean fossil
#

there we go šŸ˜„

night delta
#

!lariat

prisma monolithBOT
tired swallow
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
limber walrus
#

Is there an amount or percentage of energy you should pool before casting envenom?

slow marsh
#

Has anyone thought about how much damage it'll be in .5 to be able to cold blood AP shiv in aoe with tiny toxic blade?

slim hamlet
#

someone explain

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Why is this guy demolishing this boss

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With some amalgamation of dtb build

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No box

normal mist
#

Just got my 4set, does the DTB talents change? ( raid )

slim hamlet
#

Vers gems

normal mist
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from those in the FaQ

slim hamlet
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Only thing I can find is he doesnt press a single feint which I guess helps

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Its not like his crit % is giga

slow marsh
#

what's weird about his build

slim hamlet
#

it is old dtb build

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2pc build

upbeat wave
#

Have we figured out what to train our ruby whelpling?

slim hamlet
#

Nopers

upbeat wave
#

Ive been putting crit on but have a feeling haste might be better or ST

slim hamlet
#

I have been doing ST

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Will prob do 4 ST 3 AOE

upbeat wave
#

Ill maybe put more into st

slim hamlet
#

So if its good in aoe I am already a bit there and if its good ST im a bit there

upbeat wave
#

Ahh a gamer I see

subtle sand
#

so how do i utilize this ?

slim hamlet
#

Click something with it each day

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Depending on what u click on it will be buffed with something

upbeat wave
#

Look it up on wowhead and read first comment

slim hamlet
#

there is wowhead article

subtle sand
#

i was meaning more of what buff should i get for raiding

slim hamlet
#

no one knows

upbeat wave
#

No one knows

subtle sand
#

didnt think so but wanted to ask incase

slim hamlet
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I believe its like 2 more days

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Until they have done all 7 days in a row

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Not 100

upbeat wave
#

Thatll be nice

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Hope Im not 6 days away tho

normal mist
slim hamlet
#

2pc is poison dtb

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4pc is bleed

normal mist
#

Mind telling me or SS the changes?

slim hamlet
#

BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVLNJSCiElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQaOQJJkkkkWIikQiEJJB - KB

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BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVLNJSCcgElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQaOQJJkkkkWSiIBJSk4AB - DTB

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Try simming both

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There is also dtb version without exsang if u dont like it

normal mist
#

i dont yeah

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xD

#

where can i get that extra point?

slim hamlet
#

Ehm

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I dont know because I play exsang

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Believe its just into IP

frigid musk
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
#

possible double shiv

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Am not sure

normal mist
#

Thanks anyway sir, your help was super positive

slow marsh
#

šŸ˜†

slim hamlet
#

:lauh

oak sky
#

!bos

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strange python
#

which of the sin specs are the best for ST

tough gorge
#

I think id 2 pc the poison DtB, if 4 piece the Kingsbane bleed build.

slim hamlet
#

huh

normal mist
#

im loving the 4set DTB no enx

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while proggin razageth normal

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xD

thorny pond
prisma monolithBOT
thorny pond
#

Sim those builds with your gear

strange python
#

thank you

dark token
#

It's giga cause it lines up with shields

normal mist
#

Just simmed both builds (dtb no enx) and KB and they are 200 dps dif, KB being the winner

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I need more tries on razageth to understand better how to dps with KB enx, since i've never played this build

lucid horizon
#

!logs

silver forum
#

wait why can't i put a toxified armor patch on the feet. does this count as an embellishment?

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severe sparrow
#

this is the dumbest thing but i stopped shrouding pre pull cuz i noticed if another rogue does it before ive stealthed myself, it pulls me out before im ready and that's no fun - is there a way to avoid that? or is that why people these days dont shroud prepull as much as they used to?

iron drum
#

isnt armor patch on legs

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not feetr

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oh ugh that patch isnt a real patch

#

but ye its embellishgment ( the patch itself)

formal cliff
#

Is it bad practice to check on top warcraft logs for talents every raid boss?

nocturne haven
#

!spreadsheet

prisma monolithBOT
proper tapir
spice pier
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
daring cave
#

How is Sin doing in M+ compared to outlaw? Thinking of switching back

torn atlas
ashen rover
ashen rover
shut owl
#

dunno if I'd say "obviously better" more damage/easier with pugs sure... but have fun with imps one-shotting folks in CoS without aoe iron wire if your group doesn't have a bunch of aoe stuns kek

ashen rover
#

imps MFW

formal cliff
#

Don't know if having 4pc would make you switch talents around

low ferry
#

Im a sub enjoyer that swapped to sin on a random heroic dathea to test it out for execute phase for mythic dathea next week and i was wondering if feeling omega energy starved with the kingsbane build was typical

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Or is it a get gud angle

teal bloom
#

Kingsbane is more energy starved than DTB but assa always has to wait for energy at times

low ferry
#

Just used to crankin out gloomblades i guess i just need to pool more and let dots do the work i guess?

drifting cloud
#

just play sub on dathea? :p

low ferry
#

Appreciate the advice, love my sin kings, yall built dif af

strange python
#

yeah unless you're multidotting gonna feel a bit slower

low ferry
#

I probably will just if we need to burn her and we need execute i want thr option for us

drifting cloud
#

well execute just means youre doing less dmg to her before that, dathea dmg checks starts on pull

low ferry
#

I know at a certain point we dont clear anymore snd just need to beat her ass

drifting cloud
#

not at 35%

low ferry
#

Not from what ive been seeing, i see people burning to not get overwhelmed from not clearing

#

Thought id get out ahead of it incase we value the execute more on her thats all

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Unless im just dumb which is possible

drifting cloud
#

all her stuff is time based, she doesnt phase at hard %

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so the dmg you do on pull is just as important as when shes on 5%

#

and since sub and assa sim pretty equally on st, assuming youre not going on platforms

#

youre probably better off playing the spec youre more comfortable with

low ferry
#

I know she doesnt phase like that, my thinking is that the execute would be important considering we are up against the dot damage overwhelming us. But yea that damage i do early on is the same because we are always racing to destroy her health bar

#

Mythic raz tho 8) is probably a sin angle no?

drifting cloud
#

likely yes, the problem with mythic raz is

#

the 1st intermission isnt easy, and assa is well maybe the worst spec in the game there

#

and sub is among the best

low ferry
#

Facts

#

Damn i wanted a reason to learn sin better :p

formal cliff
#

well, it's not like you can't play him

drifting cloud
#

and KB is also getting nerfed in .0.5

low ferry
#

Oh? Didnt see that hows it getting nerfed

#

I do find dragon tempered wayy easier and smoother to play

drifting cloud
#

its in the pins because of where its getting moved to

oblique jackal
#

KB is basically dead

low ferry
#

How far behind is dragon tempered in terms of execute, say on raz

#

Right now pre nerfs

oblique jackal
#

Sims yourself and see

low ferry
#

You mean you guys dont wanna do it for me? Bruuutal :p

#

Thank you for the info though gamers, have a good night

violet jackal
#

!fuu

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flint leaf
#

who has the hookup on a guaranteed rank 5 proc for a Molten Shortblade?

#

I got all rank 3 mats

balmy condor
flint leaf
#

nah, they don't, lol

#

they all think they do until they come to me with "ohh, sorry, I just have a 31% chance to proc rank 5, you want to gamble?"

violet jackal
#

so gamble

#

you probably only need quality 2 materials each gamble

drifting cloud
#

ok 31% is slightly on the low side, but how much does it even go up to, 45?

flint leaf
#

not sure, thought they could put enough points in the tree to get it to 100%?

drifting cloud
#

no shot

balmy condor
#

lmaooooo

flint leaf
#

does it work differently between the crafted items? I'm having the Lariat crafted at rank 5 and was given a guarantee on it by the guy

or is he pulling my danglelow?

drifting cloud
#

they can guarantee a proc but it costs mettle

flint leaf
#

right

drifting cloud
#

so theyre probably charing you extra for that

lyric cave
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
dusty zenith
#

When those clowns try to charge 20k or 30k to craft max rank

feral rivet
#

If they charge that to use insight to make it happen its more than fair

#

Even without it tbh, thats far from overpricing

versed mica
#

When you, the buyer, are providing the materials, commissions shouldn't be that much imo

#

There's always someone else you can find who will do it for way cheaper

#

Since it doesn't really require any work once you have the skill, you just press a few buttons to craft and get free gold

magic vine
#

mettle is sourced from knowledge points and a single weekly, so charging extra to use it is fine to me

#

also technically most crafters are in the hole, because if they had sold the mats they used to raise their profession they'd have made more money

versed mica
#

That's fair

strange python
#

Idk crafters on my server only ask for 10k if you want a guaranteed rank five or a 4/5 chance for rank 5 is only 3-7k

magic vine
#

prices are definitely server dependant though, if there aren't a lot of options the person can get away with asking more. 30k is pretty steep for anything on my server for sure

versed mica
#

Yeah on my server I got a gaurenteed rank 5 lariot at over 400 ilvl for 10k

strange python
#

Yeah got a 418 lariat for only 8k

sand elm
#

my lariat cost me 25k earlier today

#

blacksmiths asking for 40/50k for a dagger craft

rough stump
#

server pop is definitely a factor

#

more people = more competition = lower prices

feral rivet
#

Tbf i have no idea what ppl are charging on my server now since I've crafted everything myself or from friends except for lariat cause i wanted that day1

weak horizon
#

are servers down for anyone else?

balmy condor
#

yep

#

raid got cancelled for me

brazen zodiac
brazen zodiac
weak horizon
#

ty

strange python
#

Having boomie do boss dam while rogues do platforms on dathea is...weird

balmy condor
strange python
#

ā€¦who is doing that?

coarse bear
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
oak sky
#

my guilds

#

probably gonna keep a warlock or something

strange python
#

Our lock and boomie both stay

lament warren
#

sni is not playable

#

with the lag we had tonight

#

holy fuck man

#

i sat on 6cp for like 10 seconds

oak sky
#

no specs are gonna be playable

grim tangle
#

keeping boomie on boss makes no sense lel

slow marsh
#

wait the new builds are ezpz i'm just an idiot

gusty mirage
#

I'm also an idiot

slow marsh
#

im more idiot

#

you are orange now so you have a limit to idiot-ness

gusty mirage
slow marsh
#

yeah idk

strange python
earnest remnant
slow marsh
#

So whatever happened to the dance idea for sin? Did it just never pan out or what

oak sky
#

its just bad

#

the ambushes are expensive and we get ok imp garrote uptime from vanish

#

fw is a waste of talent points

#

imp ambush isnt very good

#

nightstalker is pretty useless

slow marsh
#

its weird to me that we ended up going ER after it being so dogshit for us all of SL lol

oak sky
#

its really more about the talents above dance than dance tbh

#

dance might have been ok

slow marsh
#

yeah

#

understandable

oak sky
#

its kinda the same reason sub goes single dance

#

fw is bad for them too

#

and then conversely outlaw loves fw

slow marsh
#

Doesn't seem like we get enough ambushes in throughout fights for it to really work

#

yeah the outlaw HO build seems like a lot of fun to me but I want to stick with the homies

oak sky
#

but

#

it only buffs mut and ambush basically

#

so its just bad

slow marsh
#

yeah mut ambush melee

oak sky
#

vs outlaw where like all their damage is phys

slow marsh
#

yepper

#

I just like spamming ambush

#

It's dumb but satisfying for some reason

#

But I also prefer the blindside free ambushes over the hard casted

spice spire
#

Ambush animation >>>

winter raft
strange python
#

Sub too

winter raft
#

my bad, i mean assassination

strange python
#

It's just a weird call for moonkin to stay when their ST is mediocre

#

Yeah ST would just sit. But you play the spec for what you're assigned

winter raft
#

i see

turbid sandal
#

So I'm not very experienced in Assassination and so far I've run with the DTB build without Exsang. How hard is it to incorporate Exsang into the rotation?

coarse bear
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
#

but also fk exang

#

needs to do more that 1% more damage to get me to push that stupid button

supple snow
#

It is doing more than 1% though. Almost 2% now. Haha

winter raft
#

šŸ˜”

keen spruce
#

i mean 1.5

#

still not enough Madge

#

if they just make it a 2m and nerf the tick rate maybe

#

or make it refresh rupture and garrote but only make it tick like 50% faster

#

but fk that ability

#

rn

balmy condor
#

syncing with every DM just is too strong

keen spruce
#

or, hear me out here, delete it

#

from the gam

#

even if they leave it at 3m but have it refresh garrote and rupture

#

or make it 3:30 idgaf

tacit otter
proper tapir
lament warren
#

i like exsang

#

šŸ™‚

#

as it is

#

i would be happy with a tick nerf and 2min cd

slow marsh
#

I almost asked what's DM

#

Rip vend

trail yacht
#

!whyspir

#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
slow marsh
#

As a former exsang hater, it do kinda slap

#

I still wish it'd just get reworked since it's clearly just too volatile

lament warren
#

whyā€™s it too volatile

#

itā€™s not even that good on its own

oak sky
#

or removed

slow marsh
#

Is it actually it is that just something someone said one time

oak sky
#

its on the blue post where they nerfed it to 3 mins

slow marsh
#

Oh sick that's good to know then

oak sky
#

it didnt like

#

like im not gonna say it was a promise

#

but

slow marsh
oak sky
#

just slightly short of a promise

slow marsh
#

Yeah well if they mentioned they are at least looking at it then that's better than the past so I'll take it

lament warren
#

and casts inbetween

#

but now itā€™s kinda fine

#

like on paper the ability is pathetic

#

always

#

what the ability actually does is pathetic no matter what

balmy condor
#

not true at all

lament warren
#

just like >1cpm makes it strong

balmy condor
#

45 second exsang literally gave more energy than venom rush

#

and that energy had rupture and garrote ticks behind it

#

shit was bonkers

lament warren
#

i didnā€™t get to finish my thought

#

haha

slow marsh
#

Ye the energy is arguably bigger than the damage but having both

#

But the fact it went from 45s to 3 mins to me screams I need reworked

#

But that's an age old discussion I'm trying to catch up not beat long dead horses

keen spruce
#

i think whispyr's thoughts on it made the most sense that regardless of playability it goes against the entire core gameplay loop of assas

slow marsh
#

Ye I agree

#

I love deathmark tho, great addition

#

Whoever made that plz make more

silver forum
#

sin so easy to play but i can't get that competitive advantage i used to have playing rogue during Legion. the last time i played wow

steel ridge
#

Is that so

silver forum
#

yeah man, we used to have to maintain uptimes and stuff and extract the most of windows, now apparently its just press what lights up and in the correct order

still steppe
#

regarding the DTB rotation right after the opener when the next deathmark is up does it matter how much duration i have on my rupture? and the other thing is do i wanna vanish garrote before deathmark or vanish garrote after

steel ridge
prime zenith
steel ridge
#

sin has alot more going on then previously

#

You have clever uses of tea, blindside procs, sbs usage, ER,

#

Tracking alot of stuff

#

And keeping an elaborate rhythm

candid fog
steel ridge
candid fog
steel ridge
silver forum
#

he has controlled current technique and whetstone

#

pretty decent trinkets for ST

steel ridge
silver forum
#

you should be smashing terros at that kill time

candid fog
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ye ik, but somethings off, i dont get it

keen spruce
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so when you're north of 405 ilvl it's gonna get pretty top heavy

still steppe
keen spruce
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that's also almost the worst kill time for a good parse @candid fog

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you don't get a 3rd deathmark

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or 3rd whetstone

steel ridge
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Delay your deathmark into execute if your killtime is that scuffed

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And get yourself a puzzlebox OMEGAKEKW

keen spruce
steel ridge
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i find myself holding deathmark for a minute sometimes just to get maximum worth on fights that dont matter lmao

keen spruce
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this is also wrong

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big waste of improved garrote uptime in the opener

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and there's no shot you need 2 tea in the opener with lust rolling

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and on a fight as short as terros this is kind of the min-max you're talkin about. gotta do your opener correctly

silver forum
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gotta wait till tomorow i wonder what's in my vault

undone summit
keen spruce
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those are very not the same

silver forum
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usually opener vanish you would spend within a few globals of casting the initial garrote

keen spruce
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not with his build

silver forum
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well maybe i exaggerated. some globals after the initial garrote. its just within the first initial set up on the boss

keen spruce
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I mean you vanish and refresh once the first one is in pandemic

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so pretty much always ~12.6 seconds after your first global

silver forum
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i mean you do the opener and that's like 8 GCDs,

keen spruce
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doing it when he did just loses ~6 seconds of improved garrote time

silver forum
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yeah in a short fight that is huge for your dps

keen spruce
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there's also the question of why he only had 460 melee hits in 3:45

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and I had 481 in 3:30

silver forum
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idk, sloppy terros? had to walk around the spikes?

keen spruce
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well idk he posted logs then stopped responding

silver forum
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lol yeah

steel ridge
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and just recently whispyr changed the opener graphic to vanish in deathmark

grim jay
grim jay