assassination

[spice spire]

Wait that was implemented

[smoky venture]

i cant swap these 2 in my rotation my brain wont let me

[spice spire]

Gonna keep myself safe

[oblique jackal]

Did anyone else lose all their talent profiles?

[muted ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4AAGn3if2A8TfgW9bE5qko Finally 80k. Had to make Cowl to get there

[sand elm]

what trinkets are u guys running for m+?

[spice spire]

Boon + whetstone

Because fuck the police

[muted ridge]

Puzzle + Current Technique

[sand elm]

look out we got a badass over here

[brazen zodiac]

^

same

[sand elm]

been trying out different combinations to see what works best but cant settle on anything

[spice spire]

I only like boon in like.
Academy, and RLP.

Maybe vaults?

Oh and NO

[muted ridge]

Boon is unethical on Tree packs in Academy

[sand elm]

ive got boon, whetstone, manic, puzzle and ct

[spice spire]

It’s been a hot second since I’ve done a nokhud

[coarse bear]

what embelishment do we go before eranog ring?

[muted ridge]

cowl + lariat? i dont really get the question

[sand elm]

is ct better to take than whetstone?

[coarse bear]

I meant eranog

[spice spire]

CT is probably better to not juggle if you’re having issues with offsetting trinkets

[muted ridge]

Cowl is good even without Eranog ring

[deft aurora]

what piece should i craft after the lariat and dagger?

[smoky venture]

is eggnog ring > court ring?

[spice spire]

Took me a second to parse through what CT was

[sand elm]

well offsetting isnt really an issue in m+ so

[shut owl]

I love boon in all kindsa places makes my healers panic until I shadowstep

[sand elm]

im sick of using boon in dungeons tho cos tanks keep fucking moving mobs out of it

[spice spire]

Some people can’t juggle things well on their brain

[sand elm]

fair

[spice spire]

Boon is also good for cheesing some pushbacks and pulls.
Ie sennarth, dathea

[muted ridge]

You want both if you can

[spice spire]

But can be kinda sus

[smoky venture]

so the crafted ring is just a placeholder till eggnog+court

[sand elm]

well im talking more in m+ setting

[muted ridge]

Sorta

honestly, just sim it

[sand elm]

i have puzzle box + hc manic for raids

trying to decide on a good combo of trinkets between those 5

[muted ridge]

Like for me Eranog ring replaces crafted 418

and keeps COS one

[smoky venture]

fancy aight coolbeans

[sand elm]

might try puzzle and ct then if its working for u guys

[muted ridge]

It's pretty good ye

honestly all trinkets work, I kinda see it as personal preference whether you go CT + puzzle or with Boon and whetstone or any other combo of those

[balmy condor]

then I would simply talent out of exsanguinate. Rather take a 1.5% loss not running a talent versus taking a 5% loss playing it wrong

[sand elm]

theyre all good, i just cant decide on which combo to use

[muted ridge]

which ever suits you

or Sim it

[sand elm]

ct i like cos it has passive use even on trash throughout the whole dungeon

[brazen zodiac]

good way of looking at it

[smoky venture]

but muh fast bleeds

[balmy condor]

you can have fast bleeds if you exsang before DM :P

but if you're not capable of doing that, would be better to not cut your main cooldown in half

[smoky venture]

ill keep workin on it for now

[balmy condor]

[cerulean nest]

DTB only 1000 less in sims over kb exsang

[balmy condor]

you'll get there

[cerulean nest]

DTB it is baby

[balmy condor]

poison dtb or bleed dtb?

[cerulean nest]

well dtb exsang I guess

[balmy condor]

that's bleed dtb

[cerulean nest]

its gross but slightly less gross

also jk only 300 difference

on M terros would i hold exsang ever or just send

for the 4min DM I guess would be the only time to do it

[stray mural]

I’m gonna start logging my keys. Would posting review logs for dungeons be accepted here?

[obtuse latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

They would

But they take a ton of time

So I’d message someone here before hand

I’d still post compared to dm because others may want to share perspective

But it’s not always a guarantee

Because it’s about an hour or so review and that’s a ton of time

[brazen zodiac]

quake

help

my tummy hurt

[stray mural]

It mostly stems from insecurity and I need somebody to tell me what I’m doing right and what I’m doing wrong.

Feels like no matter what key I run I can’t break 60k dps overall with my current gear

[buoyant igloo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sand elm]

know the feeling

[violet jackal]

sounds like you are doing nothing wrong

[shut owl]

have you watched seli run some keys?

[stray mural]

No

I should

Like every single pack plays out the same. IC, Garrote, ER, Rupture, Mutilate/Envenom until I hit the cp for an empowered CT. Always rotating shiv, always using Kingsbane, vanishing on bigger packs and using DM appropriately.

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Any key log reviewers in chat?

[stray mural]

If it sounds like I’m doing it fine I’m not going to burden the fine people here

[brazen zodiac]

well uh

when u say mutilate in aoe

[spice spire]

Nah If you want help, you want help

[brazen zodiac]

r u talking about 2 targets lol

[stray mural]

I meant fok

[brazen zodiac]

gotcha hehe

[stray mural]

Sorry I’m sleep deprived

[balmy condor]

how many log reviews in here do you think come through my dm's first

[teal bloom]

I need so much practice with KB/IC 😦 it sims 2-3% higher than DTB but I suck so I do less damage

[spice spire]

AG: it’s just a large undertaking, just a heads up is nice is all

[balmy condor]

better yet, how many log reviews not in ehre do you think come through my dm's first

[spice spire]

Too damn many

More than I’ve done this tier

And I’ve done a few

[shut owl]

I send whispyr at least 30 review requests a day. they aren't even mine, I just send em.

[teal bloom]

I want to slide into Whispyrs dms 😏

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/how-many-spongebob-patrick-star-mattress-ten-gif-17193754

[spice spire]

You can send them to other people, it’s okay

[spice spire]

Disturbing things happen there

[raw raft]

100 dps diff between kingsbane and dtb do i want to be cringe or no

[balmy condor]

my brain is so mush I thought I've ordered food 3 times now but every time I open my uber eats I see this again because I didn't actually order anything my eyes just glazed over and I did other things instead

[spice spire]

I really do try to do as many log reviews as possible, guild stuff has been painful

[spice spire]

You need a break

Memes aside

I yoke about the grustle

[balmy condor]

wdym this weekend is book of shadows time?

[spice spire]

But damn

[spice spire]

I have so many things to put in

And I just haven’t

[teal bloom]

My approach to every ability is to die without using defensives

[spice spire]

Guild rank check

Officer, Raider, member, or trial

There’s only one rank that would surprise me

[balmy condor]

lower world rank than sepulcher after adding another day

[spice spire]

Oh I didn’t WR check

[tacit raptor]

Oh man do I take a .5% sim DPS loss not to run Puzzle Box........?

[spice spire]

You’re going through one rn. I ain’t here to taunt

[spice spire]

Jez leaking the despairge of you losing your mind

Final 30 minutes Monday people were just watching you die inside

And I was simming

[balmy condor]

do not speak of taylor swift

I lost my shit earlier in guild chat

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-disappointed-facepalm-reaction-vicente-del-bosque-gif-17817343

[spice spire]

That bad eh?

[spice spire]

I’m gonna have to buy tickets for Val.
I’ll never speak about it again

[spice spire]

Also tbf about wr, a lot more people are playing rn. At least it seems that way

[spice spire]

Imagine dropping over 300 bucks per ticket so you’re S/O can see this person from space but live

[oak sky]

despairge

[spice spire]

And that’s me_rn

[balmy condor]

and it's not even a good person

it's taylor swift

[spice spire]

Ik man

[balmy condor]

300 bucks to like

see barack obama give a speech or something

hell yeah

[brazen zodiac]

taylor swift wasnt that bad

[balmy condor]

300 bucks to see a rude mid-ass country girl sing about heart break for 3 hours

no man

[brazen zodiac]

people dont realize shes super mentally ill w/ 2 personality disorders

ofc her music was gonna become shit LMAO

[spice spire]

I “met” her in the late 00s I got an opinion of her that stuck for life

[brazen zodiac]

she do kinda be rude now those interviews arent very nice

[spice spire]

And now I have to listen to it every day man

[shut owl]

I did security for her at a concert. was funny. I got banned from working at the venue ever again because I had to throw one of her organizers to the ground

[cloud moat]

Keep for progress, skip for farm

[balmy condor]

I had a dream last week that jez met taylor swift irl and taylor looked at her, called her an ugly bitch, punched her in the face, and then spit on her

I woke up with tears on my face of happiness

real story

[spice spire]

Brother

I’m concerned about you

[shut owl]

same

[spice spire]

And borderline some mother issues?

[oak sky]

theres 1 or 2 old taylor songs that are a total vibe tbh

[spice spire]

Okay maybe not borderline

[shut owl]

t swifty aint a mother tho

[tacit raptor]

That's a good take

[spice spire]

That’s not to whomst’ve I’m referencing

[tacit raptor]

Br0ther imagine coming into the assassination channel and seeing a wall of text about Taylor Swift

[balmy condor]

my parents don't talk to each other, great deduction sherlock what's the next mystery you're gonna solve

[regal nymph]

Bro how are you guys handling spiteful keeping you combatted in m+

[balmy condor]

I pad them

and hold vanish for IC

[spice spire]

I’m growing my spite irl

[balmy condor]

and then crank monks into the dirt

because they can eat my taint

[spice spire]

The mystery of how Gabbi puts up with your nonsense 🤨

[tacit raptor]

👀

[jade abyss]

Which is the worsest tier piece?

[spice spire]

Probably helm since we want cowl

[balmy condor]

gaby with 1 b and a 1 y don't let her catch you reading that she'll deck you

[jade abyss]

What is cowl 🫣

[spice spire]

Yeah but I deserve it? Karma gotta get me somewhere homie

[jade abyss]

Ty

[balmy condor]

give me a number between 5 and 10

[spice spire]

8

[balmy condor]

8 popeyes biscuits it is

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

God bless amen

[spice spire]

Why are you this way

[balmy condor]

I Hope my arteries clog and I can finally enjoy the Sweet Release of death

[teal bloom]

How big is that biscuit

[flat garden]

are there any situations where you would let your rupture/garrote fall off before reapplying them in single target? like during exsanguinate?

[balmy condor]

little smaller than palm-sized

[spice spire]

0 water enjoyer?

[teal bloom]

improved garrote/Exsang you let drop before reapplying

[balmy condor]

if a bleed is exsanguinated you let it drop
if a garrote is empowered from improved garrote and you are not pandemic refreshing it with another improved garrote, you let it drop

[limpid canyon]

Is there a preferred fight style for simming council fights, or just sort of winging it?

[teal bloom]

you can 4 target patchwerk sim for council

[limpid canyon]

Ooh, missed that. Thanks.

[balmy condor]

wowhead also has a build for council

[limpid canyon]

Oh, lovely as well.

[cloud moat]

Wtf did I just read

Is that image AI generated

[balmy condor]

that's my guild chat

[flat garden]

okay gotcha. i'd imagine the only time i would refresh with another improved garrote would be during the opener? otherwise when the 2nd exanguinate is up and deathmark is back up i would ideally ER -> rupture -> vanish -> garrote -> exsang -> deathmark -> envenom -> kingsbane -> shiv?

[balmy condor]

up to the deathmark good, usually your envenom will already been running, in which cause you want to shiv->kb

[flat garden]

okay cool

the FAQ mentions syncing ER and exsang. is ER worth holding for non-exsang deathmarks? or do i only hold it for 4min in when exsang and deathmark are sync'd again?

[balmy condor]

you hold puzzle box and exsang for the 4 min deathmark usually

[flat garden]

yep

but echoing reprimand. is that worth holding for anything other than the 4min deathmark?

[balmy condor]

you always ER on cooldown, and ER before exsang

ER -> rup -> exsang

is just a permanent combo

[cloud moat]

Speaking of refreshing imp gar, what's your opinion on doing it vanish,ambush,gar,gar just as the original imp garrote is dropping off. I realize it wastes some combo points but those sweet full dura imp garrotes and juicy ambush crits tho

[flat garden]

okay great. don't hold ER except for when exsang is about to sync up for the 4min deathmark. got it

[pulsar apex]

Is DTB + Carnage ever a thing? Maybe a thing in 10.0.5?

[balmy condor]

I think it's super irrelevant

[cloud moat]

But potentially a 0,01% DPS gain?

[balmy condor]

well right now you don't have the points for it, in 10.0.5 you do and since kingsbane is dead, it's the new go to

[pulsar apex]

ooooo

[cloud moat]

That's the shit I'm doing and it just feels right

[balmy condor]

honestly not sure, cause you delay the slice and dice and also overcap a fuck ton and you don't need that many for snd anyway

[pulsar apex]

KB dead because it needed Zoldyk etc?

[fading mason]

has anyone simmed tiny toxic blade with the aoe shiv for plus

[balmy condor]

gut feeling says it might actually be worse

[balmy condor]

pins

[balmy condor]

pins

[cloud moat]

I actually don't do ambush in the opener. Just on every vanish

[balmy condor]

I mean okay

that's probably very minor gains

but you're still overcapping a billion cp

so

doubt it

[cloud moat]

[balmy condor]

like deathmark vanish gar is already 5 cp

[cloud moat]

Gotta pop those ambushes

[balmy condor]

so you always gar finish gar

5cp env is slightly more than an ambush

so

I think it's actually worse

[cloud moat]

I don't sync dm and vanish

[arctic hare]

so with the ruby whelp shell, you can only train it in one thing alone?

[balmy condor]

okay well then why are you fucking talking about ambush then if you're playing wrong to begin with

[cloud moat]

If anything I sync it once vanish is about to come off cd if it feels right for the fight

[balmy condor]

no but spreading it out would be troll

[strange python]

Whispyr's taking my job

[arctic hare]

I meant max it out, but hopefully you can replace it, cause i've got it trained in two areas at once with one point respectively

[cloud moat]

Isn't desyncing vanish with DM a potential DPS increase tho

[arctic hare]

nope, combining that buffed garrote and doubling it would be much stronger would it not?

[cloud moat]

DTB no exsang

Because for some reason that shit Sims the highest for me rn

[sly elk]

I heard we are getting buffed

[arctic hare]

we are

[sly elk]

Wonderful

[balmy condor]

hold on I'll get to you later

[balmy condor]

what

[balmy condor]

the fuck

[arctic hare]

are we not?

[sly elk]

Whispyr I’m a big fan of your guides

[arctic hare]

we get a few changes, which are nice lol

[cloud moat]

[sly elk]

You’ve made me a better rogue

[arctic hare]

Therefore, would it not be indirectly a buff?

[cloud moat]

Additional options =/= Buffs

[balmy condor]

our best builds in 10.0.5 right now are the fucking same as we play now

bro

what

[arctic hare]

Right, but shivvvvvvvvv spreadddddd

[balmy condor]

glad to hear it

[sly elk]

Oh okay. So we didn’t get buffs?

[balmy condor]

we got a new capstone that's like fine at best and terrible at worst

[sly elk]

I heard the point allocation thing changed our build but I trust the rogue heads

[balmy condor]

our best single target build is the same as now

and our best dungeonslice build is exactly the same damage as right now, but we take DTB

[arctic hare]

Really? well thats slightly depressing

[balmy condor]

didn't I tell you to read pins

like 2 minutes ago

[cloud moat]

Do we really need buffs rn tho

[sly elk]

That’s not depressing, I’m glad we are performing so well

[arctic hare]

Yes. (personal coping mechanism...)

[craggy oak]

the king is dead - long live DTB

[balmy condor]

anyways, back to your stupid thing

[arctic hare]

Lol

[balmy condor]

"Desyncing" vanish and deathmark is like this

you still vanish in deathmark though

you don't full desync

in fact, most people just hold deathmark for vanish at 2 min anyway

and if you play with exsang you would be HARD trolling to not vanish gar exsang DM

[cloud moat]

The initial imp garrote drops during DM right? that's how I do it

[cloud moat]

Also me

[balmy condor]

you just told me you desync

[cloud moat]

On the opener

Sorry if I was unclear

[sly elk]

So I’m confused on that and it’s part of why I came here. After the opener is it just maintaining DoTs and also do I weave in bone spikes between mutilate dots or just hit it and forget it?

[balmy condor]

?

we aren't talking bout opener brother man

[cloud moat]

[balmy condor]

the convo was ambushing on every vanish that is not opener

was it not?

[cloud moat]

Too many words make my pea brain confused

[mystic gate]

k im just stupid af but why not do 2 gar in opener ?

it does extend

[fair stag]

Are yall using Exsang as 4poison build?

[mystic gate]

[balmy condor]

the recommended build doesn't take shrouded so the recommended opener doesn't either, if you play bleed dtb you would double gar

[ember relic]

How important is weapon damage for sins now?

[balmy condor]

yeah you cast them for the cp and damage

[sand elm]

im running dtb without exsang

[balmy condor]

main hand is good, offhand is less good

[ember relic]

Thanks man

[mystic gate]

oh cool ty

[sly elk]

What does garrote extending mean

I’m sorry, I played warrior a lot last expansion so head big thoughts empty

[heavy vessel]

what keeps pulling me out of stealth in brackenhide, no dots or debuffs.

[sly elk]

The terrain probably, some spots of it damage you

[sand elm]

the water rivers near the end do poison while stood in it

[heavy vessel]

hmm. at the start, on ground.

[sand elm]

check ur combat log to see whats damaging u

[sly elk]

I know it’s from after the first boss and onwards but I don’t know beyond that

[balmy condor]

okay, papi whispyr explain for pea brain

you pea brain press vanish ambush gar gar. You do that during deathmark. gar give 5cp during deathmark. you overcap 5cp because ambush 2 + gar 5 + gar 5

me big brain press vanish gar env gar. Me do that during deathmark. gar give 5cp during deathmark. me no overcap 5cp because gar 5 -> env + gar 5

5cp env > ambush

[potent rune]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

I believe it means extending the duration thru pandameic

[balmy condor]

are you familiar with pandemic?

[vapid sierra]

But don’t overwrite a improved garrote with a normal one

Could be wrong

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor if you are energy capped so the smaller energy cost doesn't matter, is SBS still better builder than mutilate?

[sly elk]

That’s the 5.4 seconds, if you refresh it you don’t lose the ticks I think(?)

[balmy condor]

yes

[sly elk]

I might be wrong

[balmy condor]

yeah close enough

the 5.4 second thing

when you refresh

it adds to the new one

[sly elk]

I see

[balmy condor]

so when you gar->gar

you actually get a 24 second garrote

which is great

cause if you exsang a 24 second garrote

[raw raft]

Yo Kingsbane doa on 10.0.5

[balmy condor]

it's better than an 18 second garrote

cause math

[sly elk]

Wait so you garrote 2 times in a row?

[vapid sierra]

Depends on build

[balmy condor]

yeh most openers go gar -> snd -> gar

but it's only worth with shrouded suffocation

because the combo points drive the value up

[sly elk]

I see

So if I deathblow, does it make 2 24 second garrotes

[balmy condor]

ya

[sly elk]

Oh that’s neat

[balmy condor]

but the duplication drops when deathmark is finished

so you don't really get the full 24 seconds

[desert gate]

I'm oblivious, but I couldn't find it in the FAQ sheets, what are sins stat prio? - moving from outlaw to sin/sub for more ST ❤️

[pulsar apex]

im a dumbo pea brain too. because why does 2x gar give 23 second total gar. doesnt pandemic only kick in under 5.4 seconds?

[balmy condor]

18 baseline, 5 seconds added on is 23 seconds

[cerulean nest]

wait dtb exsang takes one shiv

[desert gate]

Ty

[cerulean nest]

thats spicy

[raw raft]

Ye but you can swap some things around to get 2

[pulsar apex]

i think i dont understand pandemic. why is 5 seconds being added on? i thought it only added the 5 seconds if you pressed again when its < 5 seconds.

[balmy condor]

it adds the remaining time

[sly elk]

That’s what I used to think too

[balmy condor]

if you garrote at 5.2, it adds 5.2

if you garrote at 2, it adds 2

[sly elk]

That it only worked at the end of duration

I was wrong

I think

[vapid sierra]

If i refresh before pandemic do i stil get the extra 5.4 seconds? I know it wastes time and ressources since that can be used for a envenom but just curious

[balmy condor]

yes

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

maybe this helps

[sly elk]

Okay I see

[balmy condor]

the max is 30%

but any time under that also works

[sly elk]

So when I refresh it I should also do it to where I get 5.2 seconds added on

[pulsar apex]

oh yes. gar at 2 is only adding 2

i really didnt understand pandemic

[balmy condor]

any time under 5.4

[unborn mason]

I really don't like the opener for DTB without SS, is it that much of a drop if I take out a point in Zoldyck for it?

[balmy condor]

sim it

[unborn mason]

will do

queue's a bit long, figured I'd ask here if someone already knew it

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean if you play poison dtb

it's gonna be worse

if you play bleed dtb, you're already taking it

any variance from that is going to be worse

idk how much worse though

[unborn mason]

I'm using your DTB single target spec for raiding

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1fFTWozFtyGXsvp7MEN7K1

almost as juiced as whispyr

[balmy condor]

well there's 4 of those :P

[ebon notch]

wait nvm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gj3AqC67WHMRBTJFMKVPgJ

[regal nymph]

Wait why is king's bane dying?

[balmy condor]

Faq only suggests one of them

[tranquil cradle]

What phial is most beneficial for Assa?

[balmy condor]

pins

[balmy condor]

vers

[pulsar apex]

Wispyr you have been very helpful and very patient. its really appreciated.

[unborn mason]

haha that's fair, it's the Sustained DPS one that's in the FAQ channel

[balmy condor]

I try

[unborn mason]

yeah this discord has been insanely helpful

[regal nymph]

Fack

[raw raft]

I think the only boss I won’t want die if I play Kingsbane is gonna raz but the ability will be dead by the time my guild gets there

[unborn mason]

RIP to kingsbane though

[balmy condor]

yeh I can't just put 6 single target builds into the faq so I gotta pick one

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

there's all of them

and you can compare them in top gear using the pastebin

[sly elk]

So how do you lay out your buttons? I feels like I have too much to press sometimes

[sly elk]

Oh lord

[unborn mason]

Gotcha, I missed that link in the FAQ, big thanks

[ebon notch]

thats a pretty standard layout

[sly elk]

That’s a lot of buttons

[ebon notch]

i have the same except my modifier buttons are below

[oblique jackal]

is storm eaters good for us?

[ebon notch]

look at all of these

[sly elk]

Woah what is AX

[ebon notch]

sry didnt want to individually turn on each bar

so just unlocked them

AX is shroud

[sly elk]

No I mean what do you press for it

[stray mural]

Alt + X?

[ebon notch]

alt X

yeah

[sly elk]

Oh A is for alt

[ebon notch]

ye

[balmy condor]

my hands too fat for alt

[sly elk]

That’s bananas

[ebon notch]

i have it on mouse

[balmy condor]

smart

[ebon notch]

i have 3 buttons CTRL ALT and shift

thats all

[sly elk]

Whispyr hands extra big to hold more poisons

[strange trail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sly elk]

Their DTB gives 4 per hand

[balmy condor]

my gf ain't complaining ya know

[forest wing]

What talent is that

Gf

[stray mural]

Do I preemptively switch to DTB now to get used to it before Kingsbane gets buried

[balmy condor]

you don't need to know, it's super min-max

[sly elk]

I wish they’d let us have both DTB and kings

[oak sky]

theres nothing to get used to

[ebon notch]

its GrieFtorch

[hollow dirge]

Kingsbane should’ve replaced sepsis on sbs slot, sepsis dead anyway

[sly elk]

But then we couldn’t have sbs and kings

[oak sky]

good

[stray mural]

What do you mean? Don’t you have to stop lining up double shiv and just keep one in rotation?

[oak sky]

its just as braindead but in a different way

[balmy condor]

okay so problem with this, kingsbane would have to hit like a noodle in order for this interaction to work

[balmy condor]

okay so problem with this, kingsbane would have to hit like a noodle in order for this interaction to work

[hollow dirge]

Well sbs single target isn’t really much fun tbh. Not to mention the lag feeling on any boss that’s a bit taller 😂

[oak sky]

before dm, if you also have puzzle box after dm

[brazen zodiac]

u think thats bad

[raw raft]

[sly elk]

[brazen zodiac]

WOW

[raw raft]

how do you even see your screen

[brazen zodiac]

simple i play on a very very very big monitor

[raw raft]

fair enough

[regal nymph]

is dtb good in m+, I've only played carnage

[brazen zodiac]

[hollow dirge]

What can I do, I just dream of playing kingsbane , and we all know it’s dead and burried once on a slot with dtb

[cloud moat]

We posting scuffed keybinds?
#assassination message

[sly elk]

Some of y’all are inhuman but I’m also fully willing to accept I’ll never be an optimal rogue player

[cloud moat]

FoK Ctrl+2 and CT Shift+6

[brazen zodiac]

how does this even wrok

[cloud moat]

Tea Alt+3

[raw raft]

nah but why is 1 slice, surely 1 is easier to hit than 2?

[sand elm]

i play dtb all the time in m+ now

[cloud moat]

1 feels weird for me, but it's still too good of a key to use for SnD

Just got way too used to having SnD on 1 in classic

[balmy condor]

completely human, just very degenerate

[raw raft]

wait someone link me a ic + dtb m+ talent tree pls

i wanna try it

[balmy condor]

yeh, just doesn't make sense for DTB and KB to exist in the same build

[balmy condor]

faq

[raw raft]

oh is one in there i didn't notice

[cloud moat]

Next patch?

[hollow dirge]

Well, tbh, if there’s anything to it it’s sense. Literally feels made for eachother. Would be op.

[sly elk]

I can manage maybe 10 buttons and 1-2 buttons off of the 1-10 keys

That’s the extent of my capabilities

[sullen cloak]

what flask are we using at this point people keep telling me vers?

[brazen zodiac]

idk the other flasks are annoying

glacial/vers cool for m+/raid

https://gyazo.com/f46095d9ecf415e974ff297e2a7425c6

nice.

[cloud moat]

Vers

[vapid sierra]

at what time do you hold dm and trinkets for a lust?

[pulsar apex]

How much of a dps loss (and is it measurable/simmable/demonstratable) to refresh a dot (say Gar);

Before Pandemic range.
In Pandemic range
X time after dropping

?

[vapid sierra]

and at what point do you hold a trinket for dm?

[vapid sierra]

always refresh during pandemic if you wont overcap cp and your not overwriting a imporved garrote with a normal one

IG gets casted from stealth, so if that one is falling out, wait for it to be at like 1 second and then refresh

if its a normal garrote, just refresh in pandemic

if you have a imporved garrote, you can vanish then garrote during pandemic to extend the improved garrote

thats the way i do it atleast

and dont forget dm before vanish

[keen spruce]

assuming non-imp-garrote. refreshing early essentially wastes a global

any time in pandemic good

and the dps you lose dropping garrote is the damage that garrote is doing

I dunno why you'd sim doing something wrong

just refresh in pandemic. if it's improved then refresh on the global that it runs out

[pulsar apex]

ty all.

[pulsar apex]

not so much "sim" but rather, understanding the cost/loss. Which you and Vex explained well.

[keen spruce]

o7

[balmy condor]

"would be op" is exactly why it doesn't make sense

kingsbane just doing 1 mil per cast, 400k dps burst on opener

nearly 10% buff over current single target builds

yeah

seems fine

[sly elk]

I see this as an absolute win

[balmy condor]

it would be the only viable build to exist

which goes against the design of the talent trees

so then what

you would have to nerf kingsbane, it's the outlier

but that means kingsbane would suck without dtb

so instead of having a viable kingsbane build and a viable dtb build

now you just made kingsbane ONLY viable when running dtb

and unplayable otherwise

and you caused balancing issues for the entire tree, in pve and pvp

and at best, you would be able to play a kingsbane build with 2 poisons instead of 1

EARTHSHATTERING GAMEPLAY HOLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY

I'm pogging

[sly elk]

Nah just buff everything else to also give us 400k dps openers

Ez 5head

[balmy condor]

it's just so much work

for nothing

and the only thing it does is kill build diversity and make a required combo that eats legit 15/30 points on the spot in order to execute

doesn't even make a difference gameplay wise

[oak sky]

i like them as a choice node its just unfortunate that kb ends up losing the priority position by blindside and zoldyck

[balmy condor]

KB+DTB is just actually such a stupid idea

if you think about it

[sly elk]

Make them both tier 1 talents

[balmy condor]

for more than 3 second

[soft sigil]

do I save spenders to maximize envenom and EP for ST?

[sand elm]

any1 else really fucking loathe spiteful

[balmy condor]

we call that pooling, it's very minor but if you want to and don't overcap anything in the process, go for it

[soft sigil]

So other than that, just send it responsibly?

[balmy condor]

yeah

if env and ep are both up and you're just sitting there at 5cp and 20 energy

wait for a second or two

and then go

it won't give you a dps bump that you will never notice, but at least you can feel better about yourself knowing you're doing the right thing

and that's what really matters

[regal nymph]

does wowhead have the 10.0.5 patch talent trees?

[soft sigil]

thank you for the clear response

[sly elk]

So what embellishments do you guys like? I imagine fang but what else

[visual moth]

Like full on items?

If you have the ring from Eranog, then the Head is really strong.

It's a ridicolous amount of dmg tbh

[sly elk]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen it drop ever

[visual moth]

Well I got it haha but it can also come from vault

but its a "very rare"

Lariat is also very strong

Thats the two that i personally run at least 🙂

[sly elk]

I see

So not fang adornments? I heard it was a big bump

I guess lariat is also probably decently substantial

[hollow dirge]

In general I agree, but this is not exactly a great solution either, just moving the talent in a slot where it will never be picked

[balmy condor]

ptr talent calculator is up, guide won't be updated until then

[balmy condor]

well in this situation, you can actually tune kingsbane to be viable on it's own

your solution actually just kills the talent entirely

[hollow dirge]

How much stronger do you think would they have to tune it to be even considered?

[balmy condor]

looks like 5%

[oak sky]

is arterial+ a point in zoldyck better than shrouded and sbs

[vapid sierra]

can someone take a look at my log?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1BjPFAJZ6TWyfX9G/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=14

cant tell what im doing wrong

[balmy condor]

for kb yes

[oak sky]

smoge

[hollow dirge]

Interesting. Would assume it’s further behind.
Either way fun stuff.. hopefully they tune it so that we have good few options on st too.

This patch was actually super fun so far regarding the new talent trees, playing like 4 different assa single target builds, not many classes had this many viable options at the same point in time.

[regal nymph]

was assassination's tree really in need of change?

[hollow dirge]

Think raid wise, not really, but these changes make us have super versatile options for m+ in any affix combination

[balmy condor]

I kinda think so yeah

our aoe/cleave design needs some looking at

right now we're spreading dots in cleave for not really impressive damage, and in aoe we're shackled to to crimson tempest

[flint tusk]

In before exsang becomes an aoe

[balmy condor]

I think the bigger issue is the class tree though

[runic hinge]

Can’t wait

[sly elk]

So does exsang have a duration?

Or like if I use it in bone spikes will it just always be 80% faster forever

[visual moth]

So I said this basically earlier before the change

if you werent an assassination onetrick

then might aswell just Sub or Outlaw in m+ lol

[regal nymph]

sub seems pretty easy to just enter into

[visual moth]

And no Exsang doesnt work like that Doom

It basically takes your CD and cuts it in half and makes it tick double as fast

thats why Echoing Reprimand -> Exang is super good

So imagine it as a buff to your CURRENT debuff

bleed*

I would say sub is decently easy to enter

just need to get used to it

THe whole secret tech thing

[glad marsh]

The PTR talent changes makes me sad, I was enjoying using KB + IC in dungeons 😦

[sly elk]

Okay so if I have a bone spike and I exanguinate, it won’t make it 80% faster

[visual moth]

Bone spike is not affected

[sly elk]

I see

That’s a shame

[visual moth]

Otherwise that would be broken af haha

imagine it back when it had the 45 sec 100%

holy moly

85% of my dmg would just be bone spike

[glad marsh]

Infinitely scaling bonespike

[sly elk]

I guess that’s true

[glad marsh]

Thatd be hilarious

[visual moth]

It would be what we rogue specialists would call "very cash money"

[ember dagger]

Hello brethren, i've only played assassination for the last 7 years. Is there something wrong with me

[obtuse latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[obtuse latch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[regal nymph]

arterial with 4 piece seems good?

on m+

[glad marsh]

The loss of blindside for m+ just makes me sad

It was a fun button to press

[balmy condor]

nopt really

it's fine

but not great

[tacit otter]

you think they tune before .5? especially kb?

[visual moth]

I hope KB builds get better, a lot more interactive honestly

Like its better than "I have 4 poisons brr"

[regal nymph]

I love seeing how hard it hits

[visual moth]

But yeah I got a DM earlier today from my GM: "Hey you used to play unholy right?"

💀

[regal nymph]

Well, did you?

[visual moth]

Yup

[regal nymph]

[visual moth]

I got my first 3 CE's on Unholy

[mystic zenith]

can anyone help analyse this log? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPbDtHpLTmh273Yx#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=15&comparesearchmetric=dps

[visual moth]

Nighthold, ToS, Argus

I can Robert, but throw it into this channel

!logs

[balmy condor]

prolly

[glad marsh]

So with the DTB+IC build for 10.0.5, does it make sense to go fishing for poison bombs at 4+ targets or continue hitting CT?

[vapid sierra]

!logs

[vapid sierra]

could you perchance help me too if your not busy when your done with robert?

[balmy condor]

4 target is mostly ct

we already play PB + IC on council

the logic there is essentially maintain envenom, otherwise CT

[shut owl]

wewt. finally broke 100k on council lol

[visual moth]

@vapid sierra sure

[summer sorrel]

Hey yall I just found out that I have been using deathmark wrong, but even now I am still not sure how to properly do my opener. Am I supposed to drop both an enhanced garrote and an anima charged rupture during deathmark or am I saving my anima combo points for envenom? I am playing DTB build

[shy meteor]

do u ever refresh garrote or rupture during a shrouded suffocation garrote / exagnuinated rupter / garrote?

[balmy condor]

faq and wowhead has finisher logic

would check there

it has full openers

and everything

[brazen zodiac]

it was written by a really cute guy too

who parses pink

[visual moth]

Whispyr I have a question

if you dont mind

[shut owl]

you let those tick all the way down, otherwise you're losing some of their value if you overwrite them

[visual moth]

how do you analyse Envenom Buff uptime?

Like I just kinda see it as a biproduct of your rotation and not something that should be focused on

[vapid sierra]

ty, i made the log

should be in threads

[spare bobcat]

Hey frens, does iron wire + IC silence work on the Dathea adds on the islands? It doesn't feel like they're getting silenced for the whole duration but IDK

[shy meteor]

should u try to save a thistle tea for shivs on raid fights? or just use on CD when low?

[formal cliff]

Can I get a letter telling my RL that I can't go kill adds on Dathea?

[balmy condor]

if it's higher than 85% it's probably fine

end of analysis

[flint leaf]

is it overkill to run two Primal Shortblades?

[vapid sierra]

i would

if you already have lariat

and are locked from the eranog ring

[flint leaf]

what do you mean locked from it?

[vapid sierra]

you cant get it

[balmy condor]

If you want to and don't have anything to use the spark for

[vapid sierra]

youve already rolled for the week

[balmy condor]

why not

[vapid sierra]

is it bad if envonem is my top details

[flint leaf]

aahhh, I've got the ring already

[vapid sierra]

damage

[balmy condor]

it's supposed to be

[flint leaf]

BUT, I'd have to drop to 3/4 tier with the cowl

I gotta get tier legs next week, than can equip cowl/ring

[flint leaf]

With 4 sparks, what SHOULD we be using them on? ideally that is

lariat for sure, obv

[topaz bluff]

Whatever slot you need the stats/ilvl boost in?

[royal lantern]

weapon->lariat->cowl->fill bad slots

[vapid sierra]

sim it

[smoky venture]

i did lariat > ring > cowl > no more primal chaos

[vapid sierra]

i did weapon>lariat>weapon>weapon

[smoky venture]

:O

[vapid sierra]

kinda dumb of me to dump a extra spark on weapon but eh

[smoky venture]

mastery lover

i need more

[vapid sierra]

45 mastery

the fuck

[flint leaf]

yeah, I should probably do the ring too

[royal lantern]

do 3keys and you have 9k again

[flint leaf]

will there be more crafted stuff to use sparks on later in the Xpac?

[smoky venture]

im working on it, feeling good at +9s atm can step up higher to get more :O

healer told me to stop fighting spitefuls

[flint leaf]

just yours, you can slap everyone elses without reprieve

[balmy condor]

if your mainhand is less than 418 ilvl I will find you

[smoky venture]

my mainhand is 389 oh 376

[vapid sierra]

i still cant figure out kb+ic

shit hurts my head

[smoky venture]

getting a buddy to take me to heroic terros tonight

[vapid sierra]

cant wait for dtb to be viable aoe

[smoky venture]

for chance at those lol

[topaz bluff]

Yeah pugs you just ignore them and run away/around them. You don't ever get to re-stealth in pugs this week lol

[smoky venture]

getting there

[topaz bluff]

Nelf racial feels good at least in pugs. The only time I get to re-stealth if I want to save vanish for boss or boss opener if we are pulling boss with shades up still which they do 99.9% of the time lol

[stray mural]

exang before deathmark with dtb because it works on current bleeds, yeah?

[visual moth]

@vapid sierra You got time to jump into a VC for analysis?

or just want text?

[vapid sierra]

text

in raid rn

sorry

[visual moth]

np

[vapid sierra]

i could always after, im down for either or

ive only been playing sin for like a week, and havent geared for it yet

still dipping my toes

[strange python]

What causes kingsbane damage to be ass

[visual moth]

its not ass

[strange python]

should we always save a tea for it?

[ember relic]

Whats better cobalt defense ring or damage?

[strange python]

no im saying

when its low

[visual moth]

Ohh

[topaz bluff]

Low envenom uptime usually

[visual moth]

Kingsbane is about applying poisons

[hollow river]

damage

[visual moth]

so just not having SD up and envenom I guess

[hollow river]

if you're talking about the ring from Cobalt Assembly rep

[visual moth]

like just get as much hitting into your KB window

[ember relic]

Ty

I am

Enven before you king

[royal lantern]

tbf envenom kb or kb envenom is such a minor Thing

[vapid sierra]

do we talk in the thread or dms?

[royal lantern]

its not a make or Break point

[royal lantern]

dm's is for kinky pics

[vapid sierra]

i got some of those

[topaz bluff]

With the 0.5 changes is the AP/IC a nerf or buff to M+? It looks kinda meh. I kinda liked having some form of single target damage on bosses. Feels like all of the eggs are in CD based aoe now? If the group doesn't pull around your cds could be worse, if they do it might be a buff?

[royal lantern]

well, you will play DtB+IC in keys then, and iiirc its equal to what we have now

and the new talent gives us a 25sec aoe soothe, can be handy

[whole mason]

Is the .5 change final? Or we still discussing about it?

[topaz bluff]

Giving up the left side though?

[royal lantern]

and you gain the middle

[whole mason]

I still don't think zoldyck should be on the left.

[topaz bluff]

I get pb and dashing and amp, and give up blindside, systemic, and zoldyck. I don't like that trade at all 😂

Namely zold

[royal lantern]

lets not act as if blindside is some sick gain for m+ when you are pressing FoK most of the time

[odd dew]

Anyone working on Assassination for Wowanalyzer?

[drifting cloud]

doubtful

[topaz bluff]

It's ok for boss damage. I agree not amazing, but zoldyck is the biggest issue.

Guess maybe go dtb+zold and don't have IC now? That doesn't seem good either though lol.

Maybe I'll poke around and find something.

[regal nymph]

why can't they just not have ic be a capstone

😦

[balmy condor]

and you didn't craft a dagger?

pain

[smoky venture]

i wasnt sold on combat or ass at the time

[topaz bluff]

IC and Ex just need to swap places lol. Adjust Ex cooldown to compensate and increase it's strength back up. IC leading into IW kinda makes more sense too

[smoky venture]

and now im just waiting till i kill terros

[drifting cloud]

waiting for what, crafted dagger is still higher ilvl than terros

with better stats

[balmy condor]

outlaw uses a dagger too

[upbeat needle]

with exang should you be refreshing rupture before you press?

[topaz bluff]

Crafted dagger is 418ilvl with just farming a few 16s. You going to need mythic 421 dagger or a +20 vault dagger to beat a crafted handily, no?

[balmy condor]

yes

ER->rup->ex

[vapid sierra]

were you ever able to take a look?

[shut owl]

"a few 16s" man I haven't gotten into a single one even with KSM lol

[topaz bluff]

RIP the pug lyfe

[royal lantern]

and when you get a 421 weapon, you just put the crafted one in your offhand

[shut owl]

yep

[royal lantern]

like, not even lost

[shut owl]

pugging to KSM was miserable. excited to pug to KSH now... I expect I'll get it in... 8 months at this rate :>

[royal lantern]

do you own keys

dont invite warrior tanks

[topaz bluff]

This really, and oddly. Pug bears and dks seem safer from my experience. I don't pug a whole bunch 16+ though.

[shut owl]

That's so weird to me. Prot war feels unkillable while playing

[topaz bluff]

It is for non-pugs. Your pug warrior gonna leap in guns blazing and insta splat

[shut owl]

But I definitely saw one eat dirt over and over in my last key for ksm. Man did not take magic block on tjs

[topaz bluff]

At least the very few I saw. I'm sure the majority are fine, but most bears and dks etc. you see there learned their defensives by 16s lol. Moreso than warriors.

[stray mural]

this is gonna sound a little silly but do we always spend er cp on envenom when playing dtb

or is a rupture okay before sang

[vapid sierra]

dont you wanna rupture before exsang?

er>rup>sang?

[stray mural]

oh

[vapid sierra]

idk, new to this shit

[stray mural]

me too

[vapid sierra]

since the cds sync together

sang hurt my head, i dropped it

[stray mural]

what did you drop it for

improved poisons?

[topaz bluff]

I think Ex feels more awkward for players learn now than before. You don't use it very often that when it does come up you have to check all the boxes before hitting it. At least before you pressed it often enough you "got it" quicker.

[vapid sierra]

dropping it is a 1% loss

using it inccorectly is like 10%

heres what im using rn

since i have 4set im running a bleed build

wait

thats outlaw

oopsies

forget im not on sin rn

[topaz bluff]

The truth comes out

[teal bloom]

outlaw

[vapid sierra]

i love outlaw for keys

sin for raid

i cant give up one or the other

gearing both aint hard either

just gotta horde gear

[stray mural]

i took the build from the simulations page

[topaz bluff]

I can't do outlaw personally. I'll either assassination for keys or sub if we're being a little more serious on the push at least until assassination gets a few tweaks.

[stray mural]

i dont know how its possible to play outlaw badly in keys but i manage to do it every time i touch the spec

press bf and hit the st keys

thats it

[vapid sierra]

probably just prio/proc reaction

thats all outlaw is

rng proc reaction

sin is all planning ahead

[dawn kelp]

!log

if any gamers could help a brother out with some improvement's id appreciate it

[frank stag]

Anyone's ER WA suddenly stop functioning today?

[vapid sierra]

so for 2 targets is kb>dtb since you take crimson?

!WHispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[echo heath]

finally got a grieftorch

[vapid sierra]

grats

[royal lantern]

fotm tanks that get hard carried by how op warrior is, and have actually no clue how tank works, thats why they suck so hard

[sour hinge]

!logs

[topaz bluff]

The amount that mine died to snapshot/wolves in HoV was...something, lol. Granted I don't pug often, but it was something I noticed more than once.

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorny pond]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

I do not want to be outlaw on dathea fuck me

[oak sky]

go sub

[strange python]

Can't

[oak sky]

why

[gusty mirage]

make a case to stay on the boss the entire time and play assassination

[earnest remnant]

i didn't even have to make a case for it, i got put there

[oak sky]

i wonder if i can get away with that

[strange python]

I genuinely think sin or sub are the play here. Bringing an outlaw to pad on infuser that you have to hold on anyways, to kill a platform that should just be boomie CD, is super cringe.

BuT LoGs StAtS

[gusty mirage]

unless your guild is struggle bussing on adds

idk why you'd even have to get away with that

[oak sky]

its always hard to say what my guild leadership will decide

[drifting cloud]

you can just st the big guy on platform anyways its w hatever

[oak sky]

yeah ik

unless we end up needing more aoe

then i just go outlaw probably

[drifting cloud]

fight is just about exectuion, you get past 4th platform with like 18 alive

hard to wipe from there unless your dmg is real dookie

[oak sky]

theres no 5th add right

or do the thingys respawn

[drifting cloud]

there is but you just burn boss

[oak sky]

kkizzy

why do people hate dathea

i gotta know

[drifting cloud]

shes pretty hard

you duplicate marks its a wipe real fast

[oak sky]

duplicating is a heroic mechanic though

[drifting cloud]

yes but on heroic they expire

on mythic they dont

so you have to dunk them for raid dmg to get rid of them

and you can have multiple of them so not like you can afk with it whole fight

[oak sky]

ye

dunk

ye

[strange python]

The current strat is only 3 platforms

Most guilds ignoring 4 now

[drifting cloud]

not sure what your definition of most is

but I see literally less than 5 logs that do that

[oak sky]

my guild is not most

we should hit dathea next week tho

1st or 2nd day

[shut owl]

it finally happened: I got 4p. "I cant give people hell for being greedy with loot if you're taking two items from the same boss"-wife... but also me: 15/16 to get 4p, behind the 3 new evokers

[vital reef]

How is this Ruby trinket looking? Should I get one and start leveling it daily? lol

[pastel onyx]

check pins

[vital reef]

Again, wait for sims.

Just checking if anyone has data

[shut owl]

I mean... can't hurt to train it if you've got it/run keys for it. Dunno about taking it from vault yet

[vital reef]

Has anyone figured out how to train crit proc on it? I saw it was still unkown on the page earlier

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[coarse bear]

This is fang adornment right?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[coarse bear]

thank you

[gusty mirage]

[dawn kelp]

Any gamers around to take a peak

[jaunty gulch]

how does the enchanting with the elemental lariatt work

I buy the R1 R2 and R3 ones

then I use them on the neck in that ordeR?

[nocturne current]

You just need to buy R2 and R3 (usually cheaper)

Already comes with 1 slot

[jaunty gulch]

tyty

this is a bit weird but on one of the sim sheets it says to go haste crit Fire gems and on one it says crit mastery Earth gems

is this worth fumbling over or do I just go with one or the other and it doesnt really matter

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTYgz1ZCEqoM-KDFQwvyWDSyDNTf8J5s1GD1lnhIwEdfmTZ31K0dnoRkHtgsq6ysEyt9qAke_e9uu01/pubhtml#

VS

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRV4_3oPh5QTjHGoNmz_pjTgLK1cOVuVBvEzzVIDQWSAi_hkX39doTyWQcIOgylnDSlGkId2vDrq-2D/pubhtml

[grim jay]

It is 100% a personal thing since you dont have the statbudgets of the sim profiles anways

[jaunty gulch]

kk ty

[shy pecan]

If you get hit with PI and have windfury, you're going to be hard pressed to spend all your energy, right?

[grim jay]

Windfury totem effect only affects auto attacks

And you never wanna cap energy anyways

[subtle tundra]

Pi is in deathmark where you're capped anyways

So those two things don't change anything

[vestal wren]

gems sim fairly close, the ones i use did sim the most consistent over 3 iterations of gem simulations

so neither is wrong, profiels are just a bit diffrent

that's also why they have slightly different output
(also, you should sim for your gear to find out whats stronger)

[grim jay]

@vestal wren you switched up the ring sources on accident at sin

If I didnt read wrong

[winter gale]

Is there a macro for Vanish only when in combat?

Like a command or something

[vestal wren]

i make mistakes frequently, so if you find one just lmk so i can fix

[winter gale]

And how stupid is that ? 😄

[vestal wren]

/cast [combat] vanish

[grim jay]

On that note, is the ST gain of filial duty over CoS ring decent? Since it sure is better on 2+ anyways

[vestal wren]

there are comparisons simulations between rings:

but moment

[winter gale]

And out-of-combat command?

[vestal wren]

[nocombat]

you can, if you want

/cast [combat] Vanish; Stealth

[winter gale]

Ty for multitasking!

[vestal wren]

it will cast vaish in combat and stealth else

but you need to be aware when you are in combat to not waste vanish

[winter gale]

I want to make Vanish and Shroud not interfere due to them being on same bind

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7RBK9cEd3W9HbYZ27sh5Qa

[winter gale]

So Vanish combat and Shroud out of Combat*

[vestal wren]

you will need to wait for the sim to finish

but 2 target ring comparison

[winter gale]

Same bind but Shroud is on 'Stealth' bar

[vestal wren]

would need to replace "Stealth" with "shroud of ..." in the macro for that

[winter gale]

Due to me being spammer I sometimes cast Shroud right after Vanish but thats something that wont be easily fixed as shroud is out of combat and vanish puts me out of combat for a second I guess 😄

[vestal wren]

vanish does not put you in combat

and shroud can be used in combat

[vestal wren]

the sim finished, it seems to still hold up okay in two target, but 3+ likely falls off

[winter gale]

No no, I had a command that uses vanish in combat and shroud can be casted only out of combat but when I, during the fight, use vanish i get out of combat for a second and I am then able to use Shroud. Just imagine the faces of ppl when I shroud on some pack in a dung 😄

And bar is filled, dunno what I dont need, Poisoned Knife maybe? 😄

[earnest imp]

After all these class changes, rogues have fallen down in DPS meters in our guild pretty roughly, you guys have the same experience?

Even on Terros we are not topping anymore

[grim jay]

No

But depends on fightlength aswell

[earnest imp]

Think Terros the execution time has an impact in reclears

[vestal wren]

assassination has a rly strong execute

[earnest imp]

On progress I'm still oneyish, but we are on kurog right now and I'm not excelling in that fight

Okeyish#

[vestal wren]

wait thats wrong

moment

[subtle tundra]

Kurog is not a good assa fight

[rigid tartan]

If you play it correct you should be very high on thundering add and frozen destroyer. And then on boss after execute

Meaning you ease the tight parts of adds and one of the highest boss dps

Whereas with outlaw you do decent dmg to all of the adds and also boss but bossdps is lower

[grim jay]

Feels better to use a Ring for stats than to use it for auto attack increase aswell

[rigid tartan]

However I noticed that we started to kill frozen destroyer add so quick I don’t get full deathmark value on it

[earnest imp]

I'm also wondering as our other Assa rogue plays 1pt in execute (the "bleed build") and I play 2 pts, how much higher should he be before execute phase

[rigid tartan]

So I dropped on that add and for reclears you put 4th deathmark on boss with a little delay

[earnest imp]

He's doing quite a bit more on bosses and then usually on execute I go past him or at least get closer

[sleek shale]

!gems

[vestal wren]

e.g. kingsbane has the bigger execute

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[vestal wren]

so you do ~30% more damage during execute than before it

and then longer execute lasts then better ofc

[winter gale]

Is it normal that bleed and poison builds are the same for me?

410ilvl

[earnest imp]

Thanks Fuu

For progress I think this is far superior

[winter gale]

4set/cowl+lariat

[earnest imp]

@rigid tartan how do you handle the Kurogg right with adds, keep bleeds on add and sit on Kurog and swap when needed?

Fight#

[vestal wren]

ofc it rly comes down to what talent combi you play