assassination

[subtle tundra]

[chilly viper]

I forgot, do we have 6 or7 cp ? lol

[limber lion]

Yes, you use finishers at 5-6 combo points

6

[chilly viper]

okay

ty

[hybrid fiber]

anyone know if there's a way to sim patchwerk with it being execute patchwerk for x% of the fight at the end?

[gritty schooner]

is it normal that i got energie problems with assassination?

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/hows-bragging-camp-zach-galifianakis-gif-9157345

[fringe field]

I was told yes, but I found that if you space your teas appropriately through death mark CD it really isn't that bad

[gritty schooner]

puhhhhhhh

[real pecan]

I have not found the lethal poisons in the guide anywhere, I assume amplified + deadly?

[frozen iris]

Yes

[fringe field]

Yeah anything other than those and you're straight inting

[real pecan]

that is kinda easy to deduce, but still weird it is not mentioned in the guide (I think)

or in the faq

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jwmfm/f9994a3ae5.png

you mean this part of the FAQ?

[real pecan]

ok, idk why it opened for me straight away in the middle

[limber lion]

just replying to tisu

[real pecan]

don't mind me xD

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock what is opener with torch + puzzle

help

redeem yourself

i cant take it anymore

[marble hemlock]

g>snd>g>rup>er>box>rup>sbs>vanish>garr>exsang>env>dm+pot>kb>shiv

then grief when its ready

[lethal heart]

big respect

im saving that and putting on other monitor

[marble hemlock]

its literally

the picture

wdym

[lethal heart]

ye but im too stupid to find it

thats why i need to ask you

[marble hemlock]

i env before dm but ye

[lethal heart]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[marble hemlock]

BRO

maybe

stop wearing sunglasses indoors

[lethal heart]

pls

[marble hemlock]

and youll see it

[lethal heart]

i cant take it anymore

[marble hemlock]

hahahahaha

[lethal heart]

i played like every possible spec

build

i dont know anything anymore

[marble hemlock]

ye its annoying

i still gotta

look it up sometimes

[chilly viper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[narrow sedge]

do we have any stats cap to reach and not go higher ?

[lethal heart]

no

sim

[sand elm]

is exang with dtb still a dps loss even with 4 set?

[limber lion]

No, it's one of the highest simming builds

With 4p you pretty much always play Exsang

Unless you don't want to, that is

[sand elm]

oh ok. what do we take a point out of to take it?

[limber lion]

Depends on what build you play

You change the entire build going from 2p to 4p

With 2p you play poisons, with 4p you play bleed

[lament warren]

exsang bis

and chad and cool

[sand elm]

i had been running the build in the faq, but trying out the bleed talents again thinking itd be better with 4 set

[lament warren]

exsang has lots of friends and everybody loves him

[sand elm]

is what ive just swapped to

[jovial spear]

Do you need both of the fire dmg rings for the cowl to be worth?

[lament warren]

no

only one

the other is an absorb

also

cowl is worth on its own

[fringe field]

Trying to decide between cowl and weap tbh. Not sure yet

Like objectively, I know it's weapon

[nocturne mortar]

can i trade token tier 398 even if i have a 392 ilvl ?

[lament warren]

yes

[sand elm]

should be able to

[fringe field]

But I would rather grind out the Mythics and Raids for a wep and just fill my embelish out

[lament warren]

do whatever

get another spark next week

[oak sky]

Do you only have 1 spark

[lament warren]

none of it matters

[fringe field]

Oh, I'm so dumb

[limber lion]

You should have 4 sparks, 2 embellishments only

So you have 2 freebies

[fringe field]

For some reason, I thought that I couldn't have more than 2 crafted pieces LOL

Well, looks like I'm getting them all then

[lament warren]

is it 4 sparks

[oak sky]

Yeah just craft weapon with no embellish

[lament warren]

WTF

[fringe field]

4th spark was yesterday me thinks

[oak sky]

We have 4 rn yeah

[lament warren]

it's just been sitting there

[sand elm]

if im running the bleed dtb build, what should i take a talent out of to run exsang? zoldyck?

[lament warren]

on a quest

the whole time

i thought it was every 2 weeks

[oak sky]

It is

[lament warren]

hm,m

gas leak i guess

[oblique jackal]

!whispur

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[narrow sedge]

!logs

[sand elm]

learning exsang for the first time. this is gonna be fun

[cerulean iron]

Idiot question, but, how come the two BIS trinkets are both usable for Assa, isn't true that they will share a 30-sec CD?

[shut owl]

the on use trinkets are really strong

they do have a CD, but you don't need to use them both in the same window for them to have value

[simple gulch]

I did not get the chest from raid, looks like I'll take the legs for catalyst next week @balmy condor

[narrow sedge]

May I have some helps from pro assa rogue in my tread pls mates ? 🙂

[sleek portal]

hey, what build are you using? posion bomb or kingsbane/IC?

[brazen zodiac]

lets see dat gear

[sleek portal]

my gear?

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[earnest imp]

Why do all the spreadsheets say they will be updated in 10.5

Assa is getting no changes right?

as far as we know now

[limber lion]

What

There's so many changes happening

[earnest imp]

dafaq

[limber lion]

There was a recent blue post

[earnest imp]

what notes am i looking at

[limber lion]

Read the pin

#assassination message

[thorny pond]

[vale abyss]

so Spiteful is feeling terrible as Assa...

[chilly viper]

What's the CD of shiv ?

25 or 25+ duration?

[earnest imp]

Okey reading the changes not sure

what to think

the new node is weird af

[thorn crater]

uhm so do we know if wowhead or icyveins were right for the catalyst?

[indigo epoch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[indigo epoch]

Meh

[frigid pilot]

Anyone wish shiv was a 6 sec cd in keys so you can soothe mobs frequently?

[simple gulch]

Why is the information regarding catalyst so fucking bad?

why is blizzard being dumb

[frigid pilot]

Small multi dollar company

[simple gulch]

damn idiots

[frigid pilot]

It is their first expansion give them a chance

[brazen zodiac]

its...ok..

[lament warren]

no

i just wish shiv and tranq were different buttons

[thorn crater]

yo whisps u awake u crazy 2d catlady?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[thorn crater]

how long did u sleep for

[balmy condor]

Uhhh, idk when I fell asleep, maybe 5 hours

[thorn crater]

good enough

u streamin today?

[balmy condor]

No

[simple gulch]

Whispyr hey

So I didn't get chest from raid

I don't know what to take

it's eating me alive

[spice spire]

Have you tried our lord and savior raidbots.com/topgear?

[simple gulch]

i did

[lament warren]

just send here and let me feelycraft it

🙂

[simple gulch]

I'm not sure whether to take 4p for sin which is a big boost (408 chest) or 421 legs for catalyst next week and outlaw

but i took legs anyway because i couldn't take ita nymore

[lament warren]

this implies raid is over

so why not just slam legs

[simple gulch]

Yeah good point

we're progressing on sennarth

[lament warren]

YIKES

[simple gulch]

so i guess outlaw is better there

for now

[lament warren]

YIKES YIKES YIKES

trauma

uh

i mean

every spec ignores all the mechanics

[simple gulch]

we haven't started yet

[lament warren]

gl

either spider dies or your guild dies

thunderdome

[simple gulch]

our guild had a lot of chances to die

but it never did

[lament warren]

two may enter one may leave

[simple gulch]

we did halondrus

we did anduin

there's no way this guy is gonna kill our guild

[lament warren]

i believe in the strength of your bond

[frigid kestrel]

Next week? I thought is was the 23rd

[balmy condor]

Wowhead thinks it’s next week

Icyveins disagrees

[simple gulch]

WowHead clearly superior

do you think legs was a bad call?

this is my second tier where i got 4p in catalyst week

[spice spire]

Big drama beef?

[simple gulch]

fucking annoying

[trail tree]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[balmy condor]

Legs good

[balmy condor]

Nah just blizzard communication level 0

[spice spire]

That’s true

[simple gulch]

blizzard sucks

[spice spire]

Multi dollar company trying to pull one on us

[oak sky]

wasnt there a blue post at some point that said what week in the season it would be

like way back

[limber lion]

Yes

And that said 6 weeks after mythic opens

[simple gulch]

wanna hear something funny

we killed dathea with everyone kicked out of the raid

the bug that's been going on recently

i needed gloves

they arrived 30 mins later in mail

lmao

I needed since i wasn't sure where it was gonna go

just improvised

[balmy condor]

Yeah so now is “6 weeks after mythic opens” including the week it opens?

Is the week it opens week 1?

Or is the next reset week 1

[oak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

[oak sky]

blizzard moment

they shouldve chosen 3 weeks after mythic opens

[gusty mirage]

hi

[runic hinge]

They should’ve chose the week after raz died for the first time

[simple gulch]

Is life worth it?

[balmy condor]

You’re asking a chronically depressed individual if life is worth it?

[lament warren]

worth what man

[random fossil]

I love u whispyr

Hug

[simple gulch]

We love you here

[frigid pilot]

Whispyr is the 🐐

[balmy condor]

I love you guys too

Even the stupid ones

[random fossil]

Even if I ask which poisons I should use or when to pop puzzle box?

[random fossil]

Lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yes, even when you do that

[gusty mirage]

you're a better man than me

[random fossil]

Wholesome ravenholdt Moment

[balmy condor]

I’m also a better catgirl than you

[gusty mirage]

probably true

[balmy condor]

I’m you but improved

[gusty mirage]

I've never tried

[balmy condor]

I’m stronger

I’m faster

I uwu way harder

[random fossil]

Bigger? 🥵

[gusty mirage]

so if I throw you off my roof you'll land on your hands and feet?

[balmy condor]

I wish I didn’t

[spice spire]

Willshattner moment

[gusty mirage]

why are you doxing your feral?

[spice spire]

Buddy I didn’t give you his address

[balmy condor]

Ferals don’t have an address, living on the street is kinda their thing

[spice spire]

True

[viscid spear]

Don't need something I already know

Considering Will and I live outside Quake's house

[spice spire]

[tough ferry]

Kinda miss feral kinda don't

Wonder what it would be like going back to it

[gleaming lark]

which poisons due i use for raid kingsbane build?

[oak sky]

meow

[tough ferry]

Haven't played with it much but pretty sure you have amplifying and deadly poison in that build

So both.

[oak sky]

amp>deadly

cant take 2

[gleaming lark]

yeah i have both but only can choose one with DTB not kingsbane

[oak sky]

take amp for st over deadly

[gleaming lark]

do you tract the 10 stacks before envenom?

[oak sky]

deadly for aoe over amp

doesnt matter no need to track but you can

[tough ferry]

You mean you can choose both with dbt

Gotcha

[oak sky]

yes

but with kingsbane only 1

[tough ferry]

Tbh i prefer dbt, simpler build

[oak sky]

and he asked about kingsbane

[tough ferry]

More focus on mechanics.

[thorn crater]

dragonball timecapsule?

[tough ferry]

Isn't kingsbane build only 1% diff?

[limber lion]

Well technically...

[oak sky]

pool your envenom at close to 10 stacks or what

so you dont overcap before the next one

??

[tough ferry]

Dragon tempered sustained in #assassination-faq

[limber lion]

You would pool normally, but if you get to 10 stacks or more, you would finish.

[real solar]

hi

[oak sky]

yeah ok i was already doing that

[limber lion]

So either your energy gets closer to max, or you get 10 stacks of amp

[oak sky]

sometimes

good to have a rule though

[tough ferry]

Oh you said dragonballs

Dragun deez nuts

[oak sky]

but either way no need to specifically track because it shows on target

[tough ferry]

Its 6am

[thorn crater]

i mean u did say dbt

[tough ferry]

Don't confuse me like that

[limber lion]

Yeah the difference is like 0.5% so not super duper giga

[timber basalt]

!box

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[tough ferry]

And if you get boned by mechanics bye parse

Teehee

Gotta love popping cds into getting some bs

[drifting cloud]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tough ferry]

Oh yeah.

Void elf spatial rift slaps with the boon trinket if ya didn't know

Good life saver right there

[drifting cloud]

ok Im dumb is there some shortcut to sim all these talent builds or do I have to import them 1 by 1 and then sim it

[gleaming lark]

is there a macro to cast ambush instead of mutilate when blindside procs?

so many buttons

[dusty zenith]

Is it best to stay DTB non sanguinate if I dont have 4 piece tier?

seem to sim better with out exsanguinate

[balmy condor]

Pastebin on the right, put it into your top gear

[vestal wren]

yes, but there is no reliable way to do so

you basically need a seperate addon

to allow macros like this

[gleaming lark]

i guess i will git gud

[vestal wren]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[tough ferry]

A seperate addon?

I.e against ToS ya

[vestal wren]

its not

it uses macro functions

so you can do the same without addon

[tough ferry]

Does it work properly

Not sure i understand the hard to control bit

Whats the downside?

[vestal wren]

it worked fairly decent when i tested it

unlike on outlaw

outlaw it is a bit of a stinker, because you use diffrent buttons

the downside is you need multiple key presses

and in worse case fire the wrong spell once

[tough ferry]

By multiple can I ask what you mean?

Is it not just it switches to ambush?

[vestal wren]

press the button twice

[tough ferry]

I tend to use a mouse macro on my naga now for ambush anyway, lets me not waste combo points but yea

Oh every time its twice?

[vestal wren]

i think it is simple

best is to just try it

it is easy to do and fairly fast to setup

[tough ferry]

Will give it a shot.

Outlaw it would be nice honestly

[vestal wren]

then go to a dummy, and if it does not work the way you like might consider seperate keys

you can do the same with outlaw

but unlike with sin, outlaw does not proc the same ability

so it works less reliable

[vast crane]

does anyone know if the class talent cold blood works like a snap shot on bleeds or is it just the next hit the target takes?

[keen spruce]

DTB rogue don't have too many keybinds. souldn't be too painful to have seperate keys

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t work on bleeds

[vast crane]

damn, thank you

[keen spruce]

I have plenty of space using only shift modifiers and an FPS mouse

[vestal wren]

cold blood is fairly week outside of subtlety

[tough ferry]

Yeah not fussed for sin

Outlaw that macro would be nice tho

[vestal wren]

subtlety has the special interaction with seret to make it good

[tough ferry]

Shift modifiers are awkward for commonly pressed abilities

Example shift 1-3 sucks ass for ambush

It doesn't flow well

[keen spruce]

i mean there's more keybinds than that

but i've got a weird setup

[tough ferry]

Ofc but you get what i mean

[keen spruce]

i have ambush on shift+e

[vast crane]

lol im looking at your wowhead kingsbane carnage build and im trying to figure out where to put the two echoing reprimand talents ( i never liked kyrian sin play style)

[keen spruce]

and mut / sinister strike on Q

[tough ferry]

I like to keep main abilities where my whole hand doesnt have to move to complete rotation etc

[keen spruce]

main rotation for me is on qwe

CDs are one 1234

defensives on zxcv

[tough ferry]

Outlaws gonna give ppl finger issues man

[keen spruce]

and random shift modifiers for stuff on those

[tough ferry]

that bitch gonna RSI so many gamers

[keen spruce]

big carpal tunnel hours on outlaw

in keys

[tough ferry]

Sorry ye carpal tunnel

Thats the one

That's why I play sub in m+ because outlaws just cooked

Too much attention required vs sub aoe build

[spice spire]

Keep yourself safe

[past bobcat]

!tea

When is best tea usage

just when energy starved?

[limpid ermine]

yeah that or when you have cds coming up like echoing or dm

[limber lion]

once in the beginning with dm, then always when you're energy starved

[chilly viper]

Is it bad to sit on shiv for like 10s to combine w/ DM

[balmy condor]

With kingsbane no

With dtb yes

[naive sable]

Should non-ER Ruptures always be replaced with an ER point rupture when able?

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condordid you respond to my mutilate parry for dispatch proc question?

[little light]

you guys running kb ic this week?

I suppose shades are annoying with any build anyway

[royal lantern]

im running 4keys this week for vault

🙂

[next edge]

Tryan

[little light]

Thats the only ethical way to go

[next edge]

for terros m tomorrow

bleed dtb or posion dtb

guide me dad

[royal lantern]

Lambda

[next edge]

I dont want sims

i wnat your words

[royal lantern]

idk man, bleed dtb sims higher for me cus 4set and stuff

+i didnt even pull terros m yet man

first time aswell for me tomorrow

[balmy condor]

I'm not strong enough after the envenom parry seli

I need to recharge

[marble hemlock]

aight

fair

[vapid sierra]

how much of a difference does it make having a 402 in mh and 418 in oh and vice versa?

[marble hemlock]

a lot

[vapid sierra]

gotcha, bout to craft 418 dagger

[next edge]

tbh its not that bad

to go exsang

[next edge]

Just crafted mine

with the 4th i got

[outer lodge]

My haste is getting pretty low... like 9%? My sims are telling me to gem mastery/haste now. But i heard somewhere to not do that because of the Lariat procs? Is it ok to gem haste if the sims are showing a dps increase?

[marble hemlock]

youd gem high haste low mastery gems, so lariat procs mastery

[royal lantern]

if it sims higher, its better for you

thats how sim works

[vapid sierra]

!NECK

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[frozen iris]

Is ask mr robot crap?

[outer lodge]

ok great, that's what i did

[left moth]

Is there a limit to how many crafted pieces i can wear without Embellishments? I know that i can only wear 2 Embellishments at a time

[next edge]

Not really

just youre limited by the sparks

[left moth]

kk thanks!

[ornate valley]

when to use grief torch

did raidbots simulate using it straight after garote?

[compact carbon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[naive sable]

Does ER point Rupture always have Pio over a normal rupture?

Prio*

[lament warren]

like do you mean

if you have rupture up and you hit an anima-charged combo point

do you refresh even outside of pandemic?

[naive sable]

Ya

[lament warren]

no

treat anima-charged combo points as 7 point finishers

either you can send them when you get them

or you can play around w them for shiv

it's not like an exsanguinated bleed or anything

it's just a little longer

[naive sable]

Gotcha. So if it happens in pandemic, yippee. Otherwise just send the envenoms.

[lament warren]

ya

[teal bloom]

With exsang you'd like to get 7 point rupture to maximize rupture length before exsang but otherwise it doesn't matter

[lament warren]

or if it happens in pandemic and you have shiv coming you can just build a 5cp rupture

and save 7cps for envenoms :')

but you can lose the 4cp animacharged combo point sometimes that way

4 seems to be the hardest to hit in my experience >,<

[royal lantern]

2

i always struggle with 2

[lament warren]

2 easy for me cuz that's just a blindside proc

[teal bloom]

I've found 2 hardest too

[lament warren]

or sbs

on st

[royal lantern]

when ER is up, SBS/ambush have a 100%crit rate

[oak sky]

Its always 2

[royal lantern]

legit

[oak sky]

3 is easiest

[lament warren]

kekw

[naive sable]

Two can just take a SBS

[oak sky]

Sbs is same as ambush

2-3

[royal lantern]

3

always 3

never 2

[oak sky]

💀

So true

[lament warren]

hitting 2 always feels so good tho

[royal lantern]

i used 3 charges yesterday and all where 3

[naive sable]

I thought sbs was always two in ST

[lament warren]

it's the comfiest point to hit

for sure

it just feels right

[royal lantern]

seal fate

[teal bloom]

3cp mutilate is the most common so 3th animacharged combo point is the easiest to hit

[vagrant obsidian]

is it good idea to ask priest for PI on execute phase, and hold for it mark with vanish? in kb build

[lament warren]

well

with less than 50% crit

i am not actually sure that that is mathematically accurate

[lament warren]

can if u want

[teal bloom]

hmm yeah we have 20% additional builder crit chance from talents

[lament warren]

is that true

i think that is fake news

i think you are perhaps misreading lethality

[teal bloom]

oh yeah its only 10

[lament warren]

lethality increases the damage bonus

not the crit chance

it's 2% extra crit chance

[royal lantern]

rogue is a bad PI target

dont ask for PI

[lament warren]

oh

deadly precision too

:3

[teal bloom]

just deadly precision for 10

[lament warren]

is 10

lethality would be 20 if that were what tht was

so it's baseline 12% from class talent tree

so ig dependson your crit

with my crit technically the statement is false

[teal bloom]

2=31.4%, 3 =39,3% 4=19,4% with my 34% base crit (rounded values)

[lament warren]

can each strike of mutilate proc seal fate

[teal bloom]

yeah

[lament warren]

that's pretty poggers

i hate animacharged points

[teal bloom]

I like echoing reprimand

[lament warren]

ugly icon

[versed mica]

No, you always ask for pi bc them logs tho

[teal bloom]

PI taints the logs 😦

[pine gull]

good night everyone I wonder how to sim properly in dungeon my character ? Dungeon slice or another way like 40 second 5 boss

[teal bloom]

dungeonslice is good for rogues

[viscid spear]

The only slice I want is of your cake

[jovial adder]

what flask should we be using atm

[teal bloom]

Tepid vers is good safe option

[odd heath]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jovial adder]

How is Charged Isolation?

[teal bloom]

Can't get any uptime on that in group content

[woeful cipher]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pseudo geyser]

Is kingsbane ST build better than DTB?

[timber basalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7gJyJLJADMNZndKSVKT6oP

gems sim says i should replace my gems with haste crit, does that sound right?

i'll be getting haste proc in the lariat then, right?

[proper tapir]

You gotta sim it to know. For some yes, for others no.

[teal bloom]

Yeah it crit/haste gems would make the proc haste

[broken ibex]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[quaint dragon]

how aids is spiteful

[lament warren]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

eh

[viscid spear]

[stiff garden]

!logs

[proper tapir]

Just gotta crippling poison and run

[vapid sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9YPZjUmfEJ6e8VWxbNtbXs

whys my sim kinda shit?

optimal raidbuffs patchwerk

[storm onyx]

Could not open armory but looks like you have 4p tier but using poison build and skipping one or two bleed talents

[proper tapir]

Yeah, you should try the bleed builds in FAQ since you have 4set

[teal bloom]

trinkets aren't that great either

[proper tapir]

Yeah, a puzzle box would help too.

[drifting cloud]

or you know enchanting your gear

[teal bloom]

oh yeah enchants would add a lot of dps

[vapid sierra]

i have 600 gold...

im broke af

ill look into the bleed build

[normal mist]

You have professions?

[vapid sierra]

alch+herb

is it kb or exsang required for a bleed build

[normal mist]

Pick up an alt, double gatherer, sell stuff. Rich in no time

[storm onyx]

Dtb has a bleed variant as well

[vapid sierra]

how much of a loss is it? and does it involve exang?

double gather is herb+skinning right?

[storm onyx]

Check the Assassination-faq section

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm onyx]

And the sheet

[teal bloom]

yeah faq doesnt have the dtb bleed build

[storm onyx]

The spreadsheet has a link to 6? alternate builds

with and without Exsan

[normal mist]

🌿 + 🪨

[vapid sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oAnDKDqBFCkov7FDjoyzwD this build?

herb+mining?

ty

i dont know how to play with exsang tho, thats the issue

[teal bloom]

there's the version without exsang as well

[vapid sierra]

cant find it

[normal mist]

Yeah, i leveled my dh 100% thru gathering, no rush, did so much gold

[shut owl]

its a great bit ofgold leveling that way

[teal bloom]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASQaOQJJkkkkWSiIJkQk4AB

for the bleed without exsang

[storm onyx]

Yea, that’s DTB+Exsan, there is also one without Exsan if you want to run without

[vapid sierra]

no rotation changes?

[normal mist]

Also farmed later at 70 between solo shuffles (1 hour queues) so still more income

[vapid sierra]

from waht im running now?

[teal bloom]

you want to garrote snd garrote from stealth with shrouded, I think no other changes

[vapid sierra]

actually its all passive talent canges

[vapid sierra]

i always garrote from stealth

when i can*

ty you guys for all the help

[teal bloom]

but without shrouded you do only 1 garrote and with shrouded 2 garrotes

[storm onyx]

Exsan dictates opener changes and variation every 3 mins, depending what you hold but not that different apart from that

[sacred mortar]

how much crit do we want as assassination?

[storm onyx]

100!

[proper tapir]

34%, just kidding.... Go sim yourself

[shut owl]

enough until it stops simming good

[teal bloom]

There's no specific amount of stats you want, just use the gear that sims the highest and put crit/mastery on crafted gear

[sacred mortar]

thank you

[vapid sierra]

heres a terros log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BDzVCMKdfNgYrwyc/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[prisma cypress]

which of our abilities work against the little adds we need to interrupt on raszageth? just kick?

[vivid stream]

When do you use trinkets if running grief and puzzle box. Seems like a pain in the ass

[storm onyx]

!box

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[split grail]

Is anyone willing to check my logs. I can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong

[vivid stream]

Yea but then when are you pressing grieftorch

[teal bloom]

torch after puzzlebox runs out

[vapid sierra]

does recasting garrote or rupture during a DM cause it to overwrite?

[storm onyx]

When your burst lets you and it’s off cd due to box usage

[teal bloom]

deathmark is dynamic so you don't need to recast garrote/rupture unless they are about to run out

[vapid sierra]

also how do you guys open on sennarth add? garrote from vanish and then swap to senn and continue with sbs>snd ect

[vapid sierra]

gotcha, was unsure if recasting garrote after clicking DM when it was in pandemic was bad

[storm onyx]

Sennarth is frozen spider?

[vapid sierra]

yeah]

[storm onyx]

I don’t touch it tbf, it dies so fast at start of fight

I swap to later adds though

Just go for the boss on opener

[vapid sierra]

kk

for adds i just maintain garrote/rupture and make sure they have sbs on them right?

[storm onyx]

I make sure boss has the long bleeds and stay on the add till it dies

[vapid sierra]

thats probably a faq question

gotcha, for kurog tho i just make sure that when the two adds come out that one has garrote/rupture and then i melt the other?

[storm onyx]

True

[vapid sierra]

ok, ty!

[storm onyx]

Put one on focus and make a wa to track your rupture on it at least

[burnt venture]

Is there a way to remove an embellishment for my dagger? So that I can use lariat/cowl?

[storm onyx]

You will need it to be recrafted

And yes, it may lose ilvls

[burnt venture]

A guildie had mentioned to me there's an item you can buy somewhere over by wrathion that can remove embellishments?

any truth to that?

[storm onyx]

I haven’t heard of that, sorry can’t say

[vapid sierra]

wdym? one on focus as in?

[burnt venture]

It's actually there holy shit lol

[shut owl]

it also gives your crafted item +1 sparkle when you use it

new BiS embellishment

[burnt venture]

and it un embellishes your item, right?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[burnt venture]

PoG thx man

Seal of Diurna's Chosen is the ring we want with Cowl, correct?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[burnt venture]

ty sir

you're a gentleman and a scholar

[storm onyx]

Aha , interesting

[burnt venture]

At a dude to the right of wrathion over by the tents

named Griftah

[storm onyx]

User interface lets you track 2 targets, 1 main, 1 focus

[shut owl]

I just use plater so I can see both at once ticking down over their heads 😛

[balmy condor]

Yeah plater a must

[vapid sierra]

you got me confused

what part of the ui

could you maybe send a screenshot?>

[storm onyx]

That too, but always good to have focus; since depending on placement amgles, it’s not always possible to see the other, not just that fight

[storm onyx]

You must have option to mark a Focus target in keybind settings

[minor gate]

This has probably been answered but I don’t see it on the new pin but how good is the new sepsis change?

[vapid sierra]

ah, and once i do, where are the bleeds tracked?

[storm onyx]

It shows an extra unit frame health when you set it to any monster/opponent with a keybind

[vapid sierra]

oh shit

im in the ui and cant find it, it only shows for arnea

[storm onyx]

I am not in front of the computer atm; it should be under Targeting?

[split grail]

Is anyone willing to go over my logs and help me figure out what I'm doing wrong?

[thorny pond]

!logs @split grail

post them there

[vapid sierra]

found it, only lets me mark one target tho

[storm onyx]

Yea, just 1

[vapid sierra]

better than nothin tho

ty

[visual moth]

Hey lads anyone willing to do a Log Review? Im trying to get some better logs 🙂

[prisma cypress]

do gouge, ks, or blind work on the little raszageth adds that need to be interrupted/dispelled?

[lament warren]

ks blind works

dunno about gouge

[oak sky]

If they have a front gouge probably works

[balmy condor]

Gouge works unless I’m tripping

I feel like I’ve gouged before

[drifting cloud]

same but I cant say for sure

[jovial adder]

any cool things you can do to dodge the grip on sen?

[prisma cypress]

shadowstep back to the boss after you fly off the edge

[balmy condor]

Let it grip you off and then step

[outer arrow]

i like doing that

except the other day i was in a bit of a panic mode and kept running

(with sprint)

1/10, would not recommend

[marble hemlock]

That's why you have 2 charges of step

[brazen zodiac]

ez

[vapid sierra]

aoe or st build on raz?

[marble hemlock]

St

[vapid sierra]

when adds come, how many do i rupture/garrote?

also when does it become usless to use fan of knives and i swap to Mutilate? 2 target?

[marble hemlock]

Zero. You just st the big add.

[vapid sierra]

Your joking right?

That’s a big chnage from outlaw

[prisma cypress]

let the pleb aoe padders handle it

[static glacier]

yo guys, any way to optimise the opener I've been running?

[vapid sierra]

rip being top of the meeter

[marble hemlock]

Does it surprise you that a spec that is known for doing st damage is not doing the same as a spec known for having good cleave/AOE by just pressing a single button every 15 seconds? 😛

[oak sky]

tea with shiv

[static glacier]

been wondering about that, yall covering dm in tea or just first tea

can't ever seem to burn enough energy in dm to get wasteless teas

[oak sky]

you want to use 1 tea at the start

because your next tea is ~45s into the fight

so it ends up wasting casts most of the time

[static glacier]

my first tea was 26s into fight, but ik what you mean

[teal bloom]

Usually I'd waste energy if I used tea before bloodlust ends, too much energy regen atleast on dtb build

[static glacier]

I can manage it outside of dm

and have it for shiv

but not in dm and lust

[balmy condor]

Who knew, a spec that has to talent into aoe, doesn’t aoe with a single target build

[limber lion]

You just send the first charge with DM and waste the energy, every other cast you use for energy only

[obtuse latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[surreal flame]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[static glacier]

ty for help, other question - what do I do with vanish in the opener if the fight timer forces me to dm on cd and puzzlebox on cd so they line up for a 6 min use

[brazen zodiac]

no way

really?

[balmy condor]

Real shit

[brazen zodiac]

dude i did the unspeakable

deathmark exsang'd

still 98

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1056231879289876560/attachment.gif

[brazen zodiac]

need 2 more dungeons

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

then i past u on area52 hehe >:)

i cant wait to wake up and see all my 99 parses go to 98

[balmy condor]

I need to start doing 20’s

But no push group that late

[idle coyote]

2023 is the year of the biscuit, no more simps

[fierce hill]

What is this

[balmy condor]

That’s inmem’s twitch summary

[balmy condor]

Louisiana fast

[fierce hill]

[balmy condor]

She is, as they say, a badbttch

[brazen zodiac]

huh

idk who that is weird

i only watch jubei on twitch haha

[idle coyote]

Love that chicken(biscuit) from Popeyes 🎶

[brazen zodiac]

wait i actually dont understand

how is this possible

should i change my password LOL

[balmy condor]

It’s a meme gif you bozo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670758470848610312/1057003203742412800/skate.gif

[brazen zodiac]

oh LMAO

listen lets be real

thats someones real pic :///

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Me

Wtf

[brazen zodiac]

i dont judge

i mean look at me

i leave ur stream on in the background

next month my twitch prime goes to u

no more jubei

[rain oyster]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

While we’re on the path of not judging, idk what anime your pfp is from and I can’t tell if it’s a guy or a girl and I’m in a big bisexual panic send help

[brazen zodiac]

its actually a kid

[royal lantern]

the answer is yes

[brazen zodiac]

from the never promised land

its a really good anime

[royal lantern]

oh no

[brazen zodiac]

u should watch it

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor explain yourself

[balmy condor]

This does not answer my question

[brazen zodiac]

the music is also really really really good

oh its a guy

haha

[pastel onyx]

!logs

[balmy condor]

Nice

We love men

[hollow river]

wasn't that someone's character name

[brazen zodiac]

..

[balmy condor]

Yeah, hers

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

[hollow river]

wdym

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

Inmems character name is badbttch

That’s the whole joke

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[hollow river]

wait

@brazen zodiac

[brazen zodiac]

👋

[hollow river]

didn't you have a different name on disc

[brazen zodiac]

yeah vita

vitalitas

[drifting cloud]

its hard to keep track when people rename their discord username instead of just server one

[hollow river]

omg

[brazen zodiac]

good thing im a nobody anyways u dont need to know my name

hehehehe

[hollow river]

i had no idea

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor my tank who pushes my 20s

refuses to get tier gear cuz hes got 421/418 in tier slots

[balmy condor]

Oh he dumb dumb

[brazen zodiac]

we're reclearing and he passed on all normla tier gear

[storm forum]

is there a tank whose tier is bad enough for that?

[brazen zodiac]

i mean he plays monk

[drifting cloud]

slightly depends on the spec I guess

[balmy condor]

Isn’t monk tier good

[storm forum]

like 20+ ilvls is a lot of armor/stam/agi

[marble hemlock]

most tanks, id say

even for most dps

[brazen zodiac]

oh is that like a thing

[marble hemlock]

running 418/421 gear is likely better than some trash 380 ilvl normal stuff

[brazen zodiac]

i genuinely dont know

i mean i figured like thatd be the case but idk how tanky monks tier is

[pastel onyx]

Does any1 have time to check my log

[storm forum]

my friend who was going to craft me Flaming Cowl xfered to his old guild's server

[brazen zodiac]

what

[karmic cedar]

Do I just not stealth for dominator packs in SBG?

[marble hemlock]

yep

or well

you can garrote the one youre killing

and then 2 souls

just dont IC garrote

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[vapid sierra]

loads of people craft for tips

[brazen zodiac]

i do it for free in hopes they only interact with me for 1 minute

u put a commission on there they talk to u for 10+ minutes

[exotic hearth]

Quick question. For H Raz sparks, so I use kick and stun or talent into gouge (I norm use nimble fingers to help with bomb dmg)

[lament warren]

kick stun

i wouldn't talent into gouge

blind works as well

[drifting cloud]

I dont even have to use a 2nd thing most of the time because so many people have aoe ccs

[frosty bolt]

hey all. is there a recommended go to Assassination YT channel for rotation/gameplay? i checked the FAQs but didnt see one.

[ionic matrix]

I need some help boys. I have been a 99% parser the last 10 years. Have world #1 parses and I am fucking awful this tier

!logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jGyVcZ2aKWb4DgJH#fight=12&type=damage-done

[hollow river]

youtube videos generally aren't recommended, they get outdated very quickly

best bet is the FAQ, the pins in this channel, and Wowhead/IceyVeins guides

[prisma cypress]

do you guys play KB or DTB on h raszageth? is it worth going DTB due to weird timings or for slightly more add damage?

KB sims like 2% higher for me on ST

[woeful meteor]

KB > DTB on raz

[balmy condor]

Or you go chaotic evil and play IC for intermission padding

And get gkicked afterwards cause your raid lead called you a brain dead ape

[prisma cypress]

do you send CDs on the first intermission or wait?

[balmy condor]

Depends on the timing

Usually it’s pull, kingsbane, kingsbane intermission, everything first shield, kingsbane second shield, everything third shield

[royal lantern]

implying that the RL knows what rogue abilitys and talents do

[balmy condor]

Raid leader surely smart enough to sort by boss damage and see sin rogue at the bottom

[exotic hearth]

Does anyone have a ranking for which tier sets are the strongest?

[royal lantern]

blame no torch crits

[frosty bolt]

Thanks!

[frigid pilot]

392 puzzle, worth spending 2800 valor on?

im sick of farming academy

[solar vapor]

is the DTS build better with 4set?

[strange python]

Accidentally exsang my deathmark

Rank 3 anyways

New science?

[brazen zodiac]

its easy

[burnt shard]

is it okay to sometimes energy starve in kingsbane build in raid, (ofc wth good management of thistle teas)

[royal lantern]

no, we are all just shitters that do it aswell

[strange python]

I'd think terros would be easy

[oak sky]

terrros is a gear boss dude

[shut owl]

kb has less enedrgy gen than dtb so yeh

[oak sky]

patchwerk fights are always gear+externals+kill time

[gusty mirage]

kill me

[oak sky]

no

i love you

[gusty mirage]

keurig hurts

it hurts so much

[oak sky]

im having fun

[raw raft]

You wanna see a cursed image

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900781186413129789/1062948051607629914/2023-01-11.png you ever just not notice you’re in a web

[drifting cloud]

no adblock is more cursed

@gusty mirage where strim

[balmy condor]

Definitely, bis trinket

[thorny pond]

80 wipes to spider

help

[balmy condor]

We had a 1% wipe 30 pulls in and havent gotten close since

[thorny pond]

new OT is learning ropes, dyhing

[gusty mirage]

no strim today

and won't be raiding tomorrow

I am mia

[thorny pond]

Mia is a cute name

[brazen zodiac]

no strim?

sad

[spice spire]

Gl king

[gusty mirage]

you guys actually watch me?

[brazen zodiac]

now i do

:)

[balmy condor]

I watch you all the time

(There are cameras in your house)

[gusty mirage]

[fringe field]

(The videos are very flattering)

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

Silent auction for oxi feet pics

Dm your bid

[thorn crater]

didnt know oxi was a camboy

[fringe field]

He didn't know either until now apparently

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

rolling 1 on rare rings

[balmy condor]

Just loot it

Be like me

And just get funneled gear

[gusty mirage]

I tried

[gusty mirage]

I rolled a 7

🙂

[balmy condor]

It dropped on mythic and DM’d Omni to link paypal

And then I offered to take daylea to dinner

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[balmy condor]

And then the rc window popped up

[brazen zodiac]

tried to buy it from him but he insta equipped

feelsbad

[balmy condor]

And I put in the note “mike they’re not sending me the paypal dm me we can make this work”

And then I got the ring

[gusty mirage]

I was the only one who linked my RL the sim

[brazen zodiac]

5 hour raid night just for norm and heroic reclear

[gusty mirage]

everyone else just said "it's like 3000 dps for me"

[brazen zodiac]

hug

[gusty mirage]

when mine was actually 3000 dps

[balmy condor]

I love hugs

[brazen zodiac]

man

where my errog ring

[balmy condor]

Next week

Its your turn to be happy

[drifting cloud]

I had mythic one in vault but didnt take it

[balmy condor]

No shot

Youre a demon

[drifting cloud]

have hc one so its like 700 dps and I still didnt have 4p so I just took 421 gloves

[brazen zodiac]

wait

whyd the ring go to a mage

its ok he pressed 2 fireballs that pull

[lament warren]

what even is arcane mastery

mana, mana regen, and damage

interesting

[wind condor]

That ring is so busted, the difference between 4p with helm and 3p with cowl/ring is like 30 Dps for one of our rogues lol

[gusty mirage]

[flint pond]

[brazen zodiac]

[flint pond]

[grim jay]

Sad life needing to decide between worst m+ slot 418 mastery=crit boots and 421 icon. Actually both wont feel great to pick

[fleet imp]

Ring is just way too good. Passive damage 🤝

[brazen zodiac]

what

[fleet imp]

I do wonder how big is the cowl range tho

[gusty mirage]

you take icon

3 ilvl on boots is kinda whatever

vs whispering icon which is now much more valuable when more people get it

cuz its raid wide now

[grim jay]

But it doesnt really sim much better. I currently use 415 puzzle + 411 torch

[gusty mirage]

double on use

double on use channel trinkets

[brazen zodiac]

oh...oh no...

[grim jay]

Living the melee caster life

[brazen zodiac]

MOTHER!!!!

[grim jay]

Ngl

[formal cliff]

Using grieftorch and the wind elemental one

[drifting cloud]

stupid torch just sims too much

[formal cliff]

[drifting cloud]

I simmed hc one against mythic icon and current and it wasnt even close

maybe if I put puzzlebox in top slot forgot to do that

[grim jay]

I mean

Puzzlebox in top slot usually sims higher bcs sim usage

[gusty mirage]

what if I told you

that a 421 icon

w/ dps + tank + healer buffs

only sims 0.8% behind a 424 torch

what if I told you that you can break your pain

with the selection of ONE trinket

[grim jay]

But

Resets

[flint pond]

watching my torch reset before 2 min

[gusty mirage]

-658 dps is worth it for me

to never play double channel

[drifting cloud]

yeah I prob fucked up not simming my whole trinket options vs using a puzzlebox

since I dont have one atm

[gusty mirage]

that's a 411 puzzle box

btw

[drifting cloud]

isnt that sim +658 over your 2nd trinket which one is that

[grim jay]

421 icon

[marsh dragon]

are we actually supposed to use puzzle box? or is it just some weird sim trap