assassination

[lament warren]

me when i roll grand melee true bearing

[junior aurora]

hey at least

you will never have to refresh snd again that dungeon

[lament warren]

maybe i reinstall and play dungeon sin

perhaps

league of legends is not the wave my friends

[junior aurora]

league is cancer glad i quit back in s5

[lament warren]

i tried to use it to replace wow

just ended up afking and eating my lasagna

[junior aurora]

yikes

do what everyone else does

play ffxiv to replace wow

[grim jay]

League is something you have fun on for a week or two to then realize why you did quit before

[lament warren]

hate ffxiv

love the story and mog

[grim jay]

So you quit again

[lament warren]

but the long ass globals are not for me

[grim jay]

Animations are great tho

Wish wow had some flashy stuff

[lament warren]

agree

[grim jay]

Dont think it would be hard to do tho

You could even copy some boss stuff and resize

[junior aurora]

well

[grim jay]

For certain things

[normal mist]

The animations/ GCD thing makes sense tho

[junior aurora]

animations are great if i could only see my own

white mages blinding the shit out of the raid always fun

[grim jay]

Settings

Wasnt there one ?

[flint tusk]

i'm looking forward to the new alliance raid coming out today.

it's pretty much my go to story game now

[normal mist]

There is

You can reduce everyone else effects to pretty much 0

[kindred imp]

hey guys, how do I recraft this to a 405+ item? I got all the mats required. Do I just write something for the crafter or?

[grim jay]

We talking ffxiv tho

[normal mist]

Yes

[balmy condor]

395 is the rank 1

[junior aurora]

yeah you can and i did

[balmy condor]

you recraft until it hits rank 5

[kindred imp]

Is there a way to guarantee rank 3-4?

[grim jay]

Good. Remembered it right then

[balmy condor]

find a crafter who has enough skill

[flint tusk]

^^^

[kindred imp]

oki ta

[normal mist]

And the thing with big GCD is that you actually get to see the animations, or not if you weave or double weave xD

[royal lantern]

lets slide over the ground while using abilitys

[normal mist]

Yeah I hate that aswell

[junior aurora]

yeah did not like the raiding either

animations not lining up to actual ability timings

too used to wow lol

[normal mist]

It's hard to make the switch yes

That's why I just farm tmog there and build houses

[grim jay]

Gameplay-wise ffxiv might even be better

[strange python]

phia

[junior aurora]

i just play xpac launches to get caught up on story

[grim jay]

But wow just feels home

[junior aurora]

nah wow rotations > ffxiv rotations

they just feel more satisfying

ffxiv has a bunch of abilities in sequence but rarely do they feel anything to press

i feel it when i press a big cb secret tech

[grim jay]

Dunno. Spells themself feel more impactful in ffxiv since animations.

For me tho

[lament warren]

animation lock is cringe

[junior aurora]

i had to swap off ninja in raids bc of thst

[normal mist]

Oh a dragoon

[junior aurora]

played ninja/dragoon and

it was awful

esp before high jump was a button

[royal lantern]

dude, you litearlly have 0impact outside of your 2min windows lol

like

shit is flashy

the end

[normal mist]

Flashy is cool

[twilit hollow]

FF raid footage gives me epilepsy

[junior aurora]

and yeah ff is literally all syncing dps cds with the raid

[royal lantern]

character animations themself suck hard cus they dont even have movment and you litearlly slide over the ground, and the classes are all the same sith a re-skin at thia point

[junior aurora]

gotta have the ninja put up the damage amp and then everyone use group buffs and then do big dam for a few seconds and then go into recovery for 2m lol

[grim jay]

Who cares if it doesnt do shit while waiting on cds if it atleast feels the part

[vapid delta]

Hey guys quick question, are we supposed to envenom in opener after shiv on 4cp? or mut till meeting finisher rule as normal?

[normal mist]

Y'all need to understand that FF end game is actually decorating houses and making friends

[junior aurora]

^

the true end game of ffxiv is khloes scrapbook

[normal mist]

That aswell

[balmy condor]

after ER you will be on an animacharged combo point, or 5 cp

[royal lantern]

you have er there

[balmy condor]

you can't miss the envenom

you either have a 7cp finisher, or a 5cp

there is no other option

[vapid delta]

perfect thanks for the explanation ❤️

[serene tusk]

Hello dumb question but what is the builder for the assassination opener? Mutilate? Or do I just do the opener as is without building to max combo points?

[balmy condor]

The openers state exactly what you need to do

[vapid delta]

So somehow it turns out I was missing the last ER talent and had 2 points of lethality 🤣 ty whisp and tryan for finding the error in my ways o7

[serene tusk]

Okay. Thank you

[balmy condor]

Actually fine for m+ if you wanna play like that but it’s a little cursed tbh

[vapid delta]

supposedly on my sim for 5min patchwerk with lust its a 5dps to gain to play lethality

[balmy condor]

That’s not how that works

Sims have margins

[vapid delta]

ye u right

[junior aurora]

basically even

[vapid delta]

Honestly maybe ive even done it wrong

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[lament warren]

holy

you’ve crushed his confidence

[balmy condor]

The sim just can’t tell the difference

[vapid delta]

thanks for losing me 5dps guys

👍

[balmy condor]

On the top right

[vapid delta]

i want a refund!

[balmy condor]

In the box where it says margin of error

What’s the number

I’m guessing 49

[vapid delta]

~36 DPS (0.05%)

[balmy condor]

Okay yeh

So anything that has a difference of 72 or less

The sim isn’t accurate enough to know the difference

If you sim something, and it’s 100 dps difference, nice

If it’s 50 difference? Sim has no idea

[lament warren]

feelycraft to margins always

[flint ridge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[flint tusk]

friends

[pastel onyx]

who

[normal mist]

I've actually had more social interactions there in 1 year than 15 years in wow xD

Honestly I actually made more friends there than in wow goddamn this is sad

But most are cat girls

[sour gorge]

guys I saw video with pvp rog having 4 poisons, when I want to add another one it remove the old, I'm stuck at 2 poisons, any idea?

[lament warren]

you need dragon tempered blades

middle capstone

[sour gorge]

oh yeah ok

sry

[royal lantern]

dude, we have whisp

[flint tusk]

honestly the same. but then again i've not spoken to so many people in wow as i have now simply thanks to professions and crafting items

which says an awful lot

[flint gulch]

what combat text addon do you guys use? Im looking for something that reduceds the clutter on my screen

[flint tusk]

currently xct but probably more out of habit than it being better than anything else out there

[balmy condor]

I turned it off

[autumn peak]

It is better to use Deathmark only with garrote buffed from vanish ?

[balmy condor]

You should be using vanish and Deathmark together rotationally yes

[autumn peak]

ok

[misty hemlock]

For raid, is there a big difference between DTB and Kingsbane?

or more down to preference?

[balmy condor]

There’s some timing and fight differences

Like KB on rasz is just simply better

But aside from that it’s mostly preference

[royal lantern]

kb on raz, its way to good for her, the rest is w/e you like more tbh

[misty hemlock]

Aight thanks for the input!

[flint gulch]

i currently use the combat text plugin foe elv ui it displays my damage numbers on the target hp bar

[autumn peak]

@balmy condor I guess using deathmark above 35% boss is also better right ? (exec phase)

[balmy condor]

And how does that info change your gameplay

[paper pawn]

how much difference is kb to dtb on rasz?

[marble hemlock]

Big numbers = happy. That's why you're perpetually malding.

[paper pawn]

only used dtb

[balmy condor]

I think you meant below, but yes, a cooldown that duplicates your bleed and poisons is better when you’re in execute and your bleeds and poisons do more damage

[autumn peak]

oupsi ^^

[flint gulch]

i try to reduce clutter my hypersentivity doesent does well with clutter

[subtle tundra]

how can i copy someone's build from wlogs 😦

[balmy condor]

Overall, not sure it depends on a lot. But the difficult part of the fights are the shields and the last phase, and KB is ahead in execute and is more on demand burst. How much that actually matters for your raid is a big question. On mythic you get additional problems to deal with like how to clear 4 sparks

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like, why don’t you just get rid of them entirely

What useful information do you gain from seeing damage numbers

[subtle tundra]

dopamine

[slim hamlet]

[paper pawn]

alright, might try kb tonight

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor is it a dps gain to envenom from the front of the boss when talented into PB?

[slim hamlet]

I use "classic numbers" add-on, and then made them a lot smaller with crits being a little bigger

BIS

[balmy condor]

I said useful information go feelcraft emotional reaction over a bowl of borscht

[slim hamlet]

Only reason I play is for numbers

Sim numbers

Gear numbers

[marble hemlock]

Since envenom parries still proc Pb and give envenom buff, but you keep the CP and can use another one

[slim hamlet]

Dmg Numbers

[balmy condor]

As opposed to not using envenom from the front of the boss when talented into PB? Yeah seems like a solid gain

[marble hemlock]

As opposed to casting it from behind ofc

[slim hamlet]

Huh which boss parries

[subtle tundra]

like all

[balmy condor]

All of them

[subtle tundra]

except terros

[slim hamlet]

xd

I have never noticed this

🙂

[balmy condor]

Is this a serious question

[subtle tundra]

you will never notice until you see your kb go dead

[lament warren]

can’t you sim it by changing position flag or is that fake

[normal mist]

I spend 20 minutes explaining 20 seconds crafting

[slim hamlet]

I have like noticed a couple of times where I didn't get cp from a builder, but thought it was just lag stuff with cp being weird on blizzard ui too

I feel very dumb

[lament warren]

you got parried

[balmy condor]

Yeah but that would sim everything from the front

[subtle tundra]

yes parry should be removed

[lament warren]

tragic

[normal mist]

Nothing like tanks rotating bosses like a beyblade

[marble hemlock]

id say its like 80% memes 20% serious

[subtle tundra]

nothing got my blood boiling like jailer prog

[slim hamlet]

Probably have lost me a whole 10 gcds since start of expac since instinct is stand behind boss when possible anyways

[subtle tundra]

parry fucking my flag windows up

[marble hemlock]

it does feel nice having envenom parried 3times but still getting 2 PB procs from it

[subtle tundra]

got me all railed up

[marble hemlock]

idk why

its like ordering 20 chicken nuggets but you get 22 wings instead

not what you wanted but not gonna argue with the result

[slim hamlet]

But

[subtle tundra]

it feels nice until your animacharged cp gets parried and it just dissapears.

yes thats how it works

[misty hemlock]

Is it worth speccing into crimson tempest on fights like raza and dathea for the add phases?

[slim hamlet]

What about all the actual dmg u losing by wasting 3 gcds

[lament warren]

if poison bomb could proc on every global

[marble hemlock]

i dont track animacharged CP so i dont get bad vibes from that

[slim hamlet]

HUH

[subtle tundra]

wat

[lament warren]

if you’re getting parried

it isn’t losing any

[misty hemlock]

or are they too short to be worth it. tbh I don't know which talent point I'd switch anyway on the kingsbane build

[lament warren]

it’s like playing around seal fate

[marble hemlock]

am i losing damage though? you still get the buff from envenom, you still get PB procs. all you didnt get was the damage from envenom itself. but you can just recast it next GCD

[balmy condor]

Definitely not

You don’t aoe

[marble hemlock]

as long as youre not overcapping i dont think it constitutes a dps loss

[balmy condor]

You’re playing Assassination

[misty hemlock]

Fair

[slim hamlet]

So parry doesn't stop the actual dmg of envenom??

[lament warren]

it does

but like

you’re only getting parried if it’s

unavoidable

really bad luck

or you suck

[slim hamlet]

So you do 0 dmg 2/3rds of the time

how is this good?

[vestal abyss]

So sad we can't do IC and DTB

[paper pawn]

I used IC on dathea for adds, because scuffed pug group cant kick shit

worked great 😄

[marble hemlock]

you seem to not understand me

[ebon notch]

If you need aoe on rasz you're going to just play sub instead

Ask me how I know

[lament warren]

definitely an outlaw play

ngl

[subtle tundra]

i dont need aoe on rasz but ill play sub regardless

[ebon notch]

Outlaw doesn't really have the burst damage required to break the add shields

[marble hemlock]

You have 6 CP. You cast Envenom for 35 energy. You get. 80% of that refunded on a parry. You get a 7sec Envenom buff. You get a PB proc. You retain your CP.

[lament warren]

:?

[ebon notch]

I'm talking mythic ofc

[lament warren]

in what world

that’s still not true

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch

[lament warren]

@sudden brook

sending in our rogue players like pokémon

[slim hamlet]

and do 0 dmg?

[ebon notch]

I mean unless you have 11 grieftorches like echo

[marble hemlock]

PB procs dont do damage?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[ebon notch]

And just melt them insta

[marble hemlock]

Getting "free" Envenom uptime doesnt do damage?

Am I getting trolled here?

[ebon notch]

You're gonna need on demand burst that sub provides

[slim hamlet]

So you gonna play gamba sin rogue?

[lament warren]

ppl are on m raz playing outlaw rn

[ebon notch]

Yeah how many outlaws have killed it

Sure low sample size

[lament warren]

how many anyone has killed it

[slim hamlet]

either you do infinite dmg or 0

[ebon notch]

Idk like 8

[lament warren]

what kind of logic is this

[subtle tundra]

0 public logs on outlaw, 2 on assa

[marble hemlock]

Raszageth is simple:
Do you need Boss damage? Play Assa
Do you need damage in intermissions? Play Sub
You wanna get benched? Play Outlaw

[ebon notch]

It's an extremely tuned fight

Outlaw can kill the boss yes

[twilit python]

feel like subs just the play

[lament warren]

it was an extremely tuned fight without several resets of gear

[ebon notch]

But assa and sub are very good at what the boss needs

[twilit python]

so you dont do negative add damage

[lament warren]

it is now just a heavily tuned fight

[subtle tundra]

still is buddy, are you echo or liquid?

[ebon notch]

Outlaw is a middle ground that isn't really good enough right now with our gear and without nerfs

[lament warren]

no sadly i am the worst player to ever play rogue

[ebon notch]

So why argue lmao

[subtle tundra]

how tf do i copy a build from wlogs

AAAAAAAAA

[lament warren]

i mean

[subtle tundra]

I DONT WANT TO MANUALLY PRESS IT ALL

[lament warren]

i was suggesting a heroic raider play outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Click see talent build in wowhead thingy and copy

[ebon notch]

Go to summary of that player and copy it

[lament warren]

and you made the claim that outlaw literally can’t kill the fight

[subtle tundra]

pog

[lament warren]

which is wrong

[ebon notch]

I specified mythic and you doubled down

[subtle tundra]

this was about mythic

[lament warren]

no it was not

[subtle tundra]

it clearly was

[ebon notch]

Scroll up please

[lament warren]

someone came in and asked if you should play ct on raz

you think that guy was on mythic?

[ebon notch]

Ok nvm fam you're clearly having fun

[slim hamlet]

[subtle tundra]

yea and then we started talking about mythic

[ebon notch]

You do you

[lament warren]

and then you said outlaw literally can’t break shields on mythic

which is not correct

[slim hamlet]

I mean CT wouldn't be the worst thing ever for rasz right?

[lament warren]

it would be really fucking bad

[subtle tundra]

kinda is

[marble hemlock]

True, they can die on purpose so others can get grieftorch resets.

[subtle tundra]

you'd rather fish for pb

[slim hamlet]

What do we even lsoe to get CT

[subtle tundra]

so you do more st

[slim hamlet]

Have never thought about this

[subtle tundra]

aswell

[ebon notch]

On fights like rasz your job is very pure as a rogue

Assa you're there literally only to destroy the boss

[subtle tundra]

dont die, do dps

[royal lantern]

do dmg, dont die

[ebon notch]

Check the only public log he literally only uses CDs on the boss

[subtle tundra]

wrong order omg

[slim hamlet]

I mean yea I won't take it but it's not like you're taking kidney shot bleed

[subtle tundra]

get better tryan

[ebon notch]

Even if they're up during intermissions and shit

Whispyr has been typing a long time

[royal lantern]

play lightforged draenei, you can die AND do dps

[ebon notch]

I'm scared

[subtle tundra]

i play troll

i wont change

[lament warren]

cat on keyboard

[ebon notch]

I'm swapping to tauren

[subtle tundra]

i want to too

[lament warren]

or epic pb parry tech

[marble hemlock]

Maybe frosty is sitting on the keyboard while hes taking a shower

[subtle tundra]

i need a shop discount

so i can swap

[ebon notch]

I guess @lament warren has simply moved on

Very poggers

[lament warren]

from?

i’m right

[royal lantern]

hi right

[lament warren]

hi

[ebon notch]

[lament warren]

what more do you want me to say

[ebon notch]

I was hoping nothing

[lament warren]

you’re just the alpha wow player

my bad

[subtle tundra]

im like a cuck

[marble hemlock]

Pinging people usually leads to them responding

So if your hope was for that person to not say anything, pinging them is pretty stupid.

[flint tusk]

@marble hemlock you're such an awesome person 🙂

[ebon notch]

Nah but he was talking before I pinged seli

[slim hamlet]

why arent u exsang icon anymore

traitor

[ebon notch]

It's not like I woke him from a slumber

[lament warren]

bit over

[marble hemlock]

Thanks. I'm guessing you are too.

[royal lantern]

whisp typing for yearsy and then its UwU or something like that

[earnest timber]

what weapon enchant do we use? buzzing or whetstones?

[lament warren]

crit

i mean sim it

[paper pawn]

think i broke him after mentioning ic on dathea bcz noob pugs

[lament warren]

whetstones are higher for me

in dslice

[slim hamlet]

Some day Whispyr will just be chatting for like an actual hour, and all of us will be ready for omega big pin, and he just never sends it

[slim hamlet]

IC on dathea??

but the adds die in like 5 seconds

[paper pawn]

ye, done it two weeks in a row, always in pug tho, people just cant kick adds for some reason so aoe silence is big

well now they do, after nerf lol

[slim hamlet]

ah

Well

[subtle tundra]

what adds

[slim hamlet]

Guess it makes sence, as long as boss dies

[subtle tundra]

there's adds?

[slim hamlet]

Havn't been on platform since first few pulls

[paper pawn]

help me find better pugs then

sadge

[slim hamlet]

Get a guild

🙂

[paper pawn]

oh i have that, they are stuck on normal still

[slim hamlet]

How is that a thing

pugs killing aotc and guild stuck on normal

[marble hemlock]

Quick, we found a player who isn't a parse whore but actually talents/plays the things that help kill bosses. Snatch him up before he gets desecrated by the #assa regulars.

[slim hamlet]

I mean

IC is not needed at all

Unless you are in worlds worst pug

[subtle tundra]

if you look at my parses you'd ask how much i payed for the boosts

[lament warren]

you just got confused over parry

are you really going to ego about utility talents

[paper pawn]

usually I am kekw

[slim hamlet]

mf aint no way I will believe that getting parried intentionally is dps gain

[royal lantern]

dude, 2druids on dathea, 1skilled beam, 1didnt skill beam and said its a HUGE dps lost for him, no top parse does it

who did more dmg?

[marble hemlock]

Wdym confused?

[outer cairn]

I had that problem during SoD. I was hardcore pugging two toons through heroic SoD while also trying to help my guild clear normal. I was spending way too much time raiding and getting burned out so I had to swap guilds even though I liked everyone. Sometimes you gotta do what’s best for you @paper pawn

[lament warren]

not you

[slim hamlet]

Also first tier ever playing melee, can't blame me not knowing parry is a thing

How does one find out about it 😦

[lament warren]

parry is a really stupid mechanic

there’s other hidden mechanics

[slim hamlet]

I knew it was a thing in classic

[marble hemlock]

Both boomies did maximum emotional damage to the rest of the raid with their argument, im guessing

[lament warren]

like no matter your positional your offhands always have a chance to miss

[slim hamlet]

Where big word saying "PARRIED" is a thing

[marble hemlock]

Partial blocks are my favorite

You thought you had 100% crit chance? You think you do, but you dont.

[slim hamlet]

That's why you get 134% crit

[marble hemlock]

Doesnt matter when the block pushes crits off of the hit table

http://puu.sh/JweZg/c9dcdbcc7f.jpg

[subtle tundra]

this whispar has been typing for 3 hours

[lament warren]

definitely cat on kb

[royal lantern]

he is writing his goodbye letter

[marble hemlock]

maybe hes had enough of me asking totally stupid questions that could be serious ones even though they never are, that start arguments here and some people might actually think i was being serious

[lament warren]

parry envenom gains sent him over the edge

[royal lantern]

is it a gain with amp poison aswell?

[lament warren]

i don’t know if it’s a gain at all

[marble hemlock]

im sorry

[lament warren]

LMAOOO

[marble hemlock]

in case people dont realize

i was fucking joking

[lament warren]

you killed him seli

[royal lantern]

no

like, when seli is saying something and it sounds slightly stupid, he is trolling

[marble hemlock]

Tryan is right (I'm not trolling on this comment, even though it sounds slightly stupid)

[lament warren]

why are you explaining that to me

i wasn’t confused

[royal lantern]

Im confused now

[lament warren]

🤠

good day pardner

[balmy condor]

Okay well let’s do the math. A parry would give you a chance for a poison bomb, and a non parry would eat your combo points. Given the uptime of envenom, we don’t really need to factor that in so I’m counting that as a non issue. So let’s make two hypothetical sequences where you get parried:
mut mut env mut mut env
mut mut env env mut mut

So in the first one you get two envenoms off, and in the second one you get one envenom and one parried envenom. The heart of the issue here is that you end on 5cp on the second one you didn’t before right? So we can rephrase the question as “is a chance for a poison bomb proc worth more than 5cp” or in math, is:

Denv + Dpb2Cpb > Denv + DpbCpb + 2Dmut

Where D is damage, C is chance, and each ability is represented. There’s some common stuff we can remove, so let’s simplify down to

Dpb*Cpb > 2Mut

That’s basically just “is the damage from a pb worth 2 muts (5 cp) worth of generation. Let’s plug in the numbers:
Dpb -> 26.4*4 = 105.6%
Cpb -> 8%*5 = 0.4
Dmut -> 48.5%+(48.5%/2) = 72.75%

Plug it in

105.60.4>272.75
42.24>145

So just based on that, generating 5 cp generates more damage than the damage pb would net. However that’s not the full story right because it costs energy to generate those cp in one situation but not the other, and energy is the bottle neck at the end of the day. That would mean we actually need to now take those numbers and convert them into damage per energy spent. Mutilate is 50 energy and we cast 2, so that’s 100 energy, so we get 145% damage for 100 energy, that’s 1.45% damage per energy. Repeat for the parried envenom which costs 35 energy. We calculated pb to be 42.24% damage, so 42.24/35 is 1.2068% damage per energy.

1.2068 is less than 1.45, so poison bomb is automatically worse. We don’t even have to factor in the 4 chances for poison applications you would get with the 2 mutilates, or the chance for extra combo points with seal fate (this situation assumes you have at least 25% crit and hit at least 1/4 crits on the mutilates, everyone should be able to do that. Factoring in poison applications and higher crit rates would only skew this more in favor of mutilate and make the gap wider.

The conclusion therefore it that it is not worth to get your envenom parried for the chance of a poison bomb proc, since the damage is not efficient for the energy. Hope it helps

[subtle tundra]

😭

[twilit python]

holy

[paper pawn]

god damn

[royal lantern]

uwu

[marble hemlock]

But what about.... Actually nvm, I'm way too impressed. I'll let you have this one. See you tomorrow.

[royal lantern]

wait

whisp, is that for amp poison aswell?

[slim hamlet]

I got bullied 😦

[worldly sphinx]

Hahhahahahahhahaha

[marble hemlock]

He actually had fun doing this

[slim hamlet]

No shot he actually did a novel on that

[royal lantern]

its a cry for help

or sleep

[slim hamlet]

Am I really about to read a novel about envenom parry?

[balmy condor]

That depends, does a parried envenom consume amp stacks?

[marble hemlock]

I don't actually know

[worldly sphinx]

Just hired him to design sin pls

[balmy condor]

It shouldn’t really matter either way, since in either situation you’re consuming the stacks regardless, the parried envenom will simply consume on the next gcd, and the non-parried envenom is normal

If it does get consumed from a parry, that’s just another argument against a parried envenom

So the best case is that it’s no difference because you’re consuming the same amount of combo points on envenom

The worst case is even bigger gap

[balmy condor]

You mean today? It’s 5:30 in the morning

[hardy dagger]

[hidden dirge]

any tips for the upcoming spiteful week? tanks will be chaining non stop.

[royal lantern]

cry

[trail tree]

keep padding for overall

[normal mist]

Best thing is to get a empowered CP parried

[lament warren]

restealths are fake

[royal lantern]

dont skill stealth talents and you wont miss them

[balmy condor]

My number 1 suggestion is do damage

[trail tree]

^

[hidden dirge]

😄

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor are restealths not as big a deal like in SL for assa in keys?

or has the value gone up with IC and SS

[marble hemlock]

Day starts when you wake up again, dw

[slim hamlet]

playing sin on spiteful is probably one of the worst things I can imagine doing right now

No thanks 🙂

[ebon notch]

wdym free multidotting

so much energy

funneling!

[slim hamlet]

smart

[marble hemlock]

I'd say its basically the 2nd best parry you can have on any ability, with the best one being "no parry".

At least you get smth out of it

The weirdest thing is that not all finishers let you keep CP on parry, i.e. iirc rupture doesnt

[slim hamlet]

Do warriors and stuff get enraged when parried?

[ebon notch]

the ability goes on cd

or nothing happens

like you dont lose rage

[slim hamlet]

I mean big 80 enrage thingy

rampage

[sour wraith]

You get elaborate planning uptime on a parry too 🙂

[ebon notch]

you just cry cause your fully stacked mortal strike which will crit for 250k just disappears

[ebon notch]

that im not sure

[lament warren]

rend parry

[slim hamlet]

So

[lament warren]

[slim hamlet]

Can stuff like dm get parried?

[ebon notch]

depends on if its a spell or not

[lament warren]

no

it cannot

[slim hamlet]

thank god

Does the dumbass bird parry too?

[lament warren]

what bird

[slim hamlet]

bird

[lament warren]

raszageth?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[red tinsel]

???

[lament warren]

yes

[slim hamlet]

bruh how

[lament warren]

blizzard logic is

[slim hamlet]

small ass hands

[red tinsel]

Wait what

[lament warren]

if it has a back it can parry

[red tinsel]

How does Razsageth parries?

[slim hamlet]

No mobs that dont have sword should be parrying smh

[lament warren]

because he just does

[slim hamlet]

my immersion

[red tinsel]

So why does every group fight razsageth from the front?

[lament warren]

because wow is a good game with good mechanics

[marble hemlock]

insert gromnak xymox clip

[balmy condor]

SS actually provides little value from stealth you get a full set of cp either way and the damage is entirely passive so that’s a non-issue. Garrote does similar damage in keys between expansions, so that makes comparisons easier. Shadowlands subterfuge was 80%, and improved gar is now 50%, so I guess it really depends on the pull. 3 targets with old subterfuge is 240%, which is roughly 5 targets now, so technically the value of restealths has gone down, but if you’re trying to IC a garrote on 6-8 the value has gone up. I still am not sure it matters though and technically you get a bonus as well from the fact that you can spread garrotes with no cooldown regardless of stealth or no stealth. That one’s really hard to math out, but I think generally speaking that would mean restealths matter less than before

[flint tusk]

Illidan is inclined to disagree

[ebon notch]

thank you kind wizard

[slim hamlet]

tbf we parry with daggers dont we

[teal bloom]

Raszageth parries with her candy cane

[slim hamlet]

Rerolling

[lament warren]

i don’t know if terros can parry

i’m hoping not

[red tinsel]

I mean that is an actual thing

[lament warren]

but vigilant guardian can so anything could happen

[slim hamlet]

@balmy condor Can you do math if getting intentionally parried is worth if u have amp poison and it works? 🙂

[flint tusk]

bro you're evil

[lament warren]

it’s not

[slim hamlet]

But

[lament warren]

he answered that

[slim hamlet]

How do we know if no math

[lament warren]

scroll up

[slim hamlet]

huh

[lament warren]

he posted a novel

[red tinsel]

Anyone on the PTR?

[balmy condor]

Already did that

[slim hamlet]

well

can't find so unluck

[red tinsel]

Since we can now get both DTB/KB and Arterial Precision, that's also a big damage increase for Single Target, right?

[lament warren]

you can’t get dtb and kn

[slim hamlet]

Can you do math if it is worth to do it, if you don't have seal fate, so you get less cp's of value for each of the mutilates then? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[lament warren]

kb

[balmy condor]

Open eyes

[lament warren]

it’s a choice node

[ebon notch]

bruh

[slim hamlet]

so toxic

[red tinsel]

I know, that's the use of a /

[ebon notch]

whispyr dont respond to him he's a demon

[lament warren]

people use them interchangeably

it’s not possible to tell your intent

[balmy condor]

You just asked me if it’s worth getting envenom parried if you run without seal fate dipshit

[flint tusk]

yellow names = cursed

[slim hamlet]

Factual

[red tinsel]

I'll curse you

[flint tusk]

see proof

[balmy condor]

It is actually, because / is a separator

[lament warren]

we had a big argument abt it in outlaw

and now i no longer trust that people use / or - correctly

[balmy condor]

Okay well dumbfucks are dumbfucks

[lament warren]

50/50

[balmy condor]

So

[flint tusk]

50/50 means 50% this 50% that like wut

[lament warren]

parrying consumes very little energy so if you think about it if you successfully dump all resources at the end of a fight then you’ve actually generated an almost free global if pb procs

[slim hamlet]

Man I always got told to be curious and ask questions, and then people don't even wanna answer my questions

[balmy condor]

You’re literally using it as a separator

[lament warren]

i’m saying there’s a 50% chance that people are using it wrong

it’s not an example lol

[balmy condor]

You’re a very weird person

[flint tusk]

[lament warren]

i’m just autistic idk what to tell you

thanks for repeating it

[red tinsel]

It's actually a very good example because it literally means "this or that"

[lament warren]

yes but i was not using it as an example

it was not a counter point

i was just saying it

like how can i win here? ppl were upset at me for answering a question with correct / before

and now i’m clowned for assuming different usage

how do i adapt

how do i win the social game

[ebon notch]

born loser maybe

🤷‍♂️

[lament warren]

you’re a very mean person

[red tinsel]

We are rogues

It's like, what's the meanest class to bully others

[lament warren]

no he’s specifically upset at me for disagreeing with him earlier

he is mean on a grudge not bc of larp

[ebon notch]

i dont hold grudges

[slim hamlet]

I am suprised we arent more toxic in here

Probably the most friendly class discord

[ebon notch]

you have to wait for @gusty mirage to wake up

[balmy condor]

You recognize the difference between right and wrong. If you used / as a separator, you used it correctly, and the people upset about it are idiots. If you assume / isn’t a separator, that’s incorrect usage of / and you get clowned for it. This isn’t a lose/lose situation, you just let yourself lose

[slim hamlet]

Very disappointed

Oxi isnt that toxic?

Usualy varas is the toxic guy

[lament warren]

it is losing the social interaction either way

that is a thing that can happen

regardless of factual accuracy

[balmy condor]

And that happens sometimes because humans are dumb

Either you convince them of that and win, or you just recognize that you can’t win this specific situation because it’s out of your control and move to the next one

[lament warren]

i guess so

[ebon notch]

whispyr are you laying in bed on a typing rampage or what

[balmy condor]

Daps are you smart enough to find a pattern in my sleep habits to answer that without me

[ebon notch]

i dont like to make assumptions

maybe you're just on the toilet?

[balmy condor]

You want a pic?

[ebon notch]

sure

[slim hamlet]

Hot

[ebon notch]

bro delete that wtf

this is a public discord

[lament warren]

you can do it based on his typing patterns if you want

[slim hamlet]

Thought it was sfw server

smh

[hardy dagger]

[lament warren]

that’s how you can tell with most people

[balmy condor]

That’s real big brain shit

Auto caps gets me in trouble

[ebon notch]

someone mess with the sliders until you see his face

[lament warren]

i’m going to assume iphone

[ebon notch]

psychoanalysing whispyrs typing patterns gets old ngl

i can tell when he hasnt had his coffee

[lament warren]

iphone and swype to type from whispyr is my guess

x)

[balmy condor]

Oooh close

iPhone but I don’t swipe

[lament warren]

that’s fair

just very fast mobile typer then

[balmy condor]

Maybe one day you can match the power of a discord mod

[green harbor]

i fat finger 80% of my words on mobile

[lament warren]

i swype and then manually type words that i know swype won’t pick up

[ebon notch]

they turned you into an emote?

[lament warren]

auto caps turned off for aesthetic

[oblique jackal]

Wait.. did that guy call whispyr toxic ??

[balmy condor]

Yeah, “they”

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

The government uses thunderstorms to recharge all the birds

[ebon notch]

oh no

they use the bird poop to suppress the masses

[lament warren]

i have 2h to redownload wow and then do a weekly 20

[slim hamlet]

Smart actually

[lament warren]

🥸

[balmy condor]

Is AP supposed to give cp for each shiv

[lament warren]

i hope so

[ebon notch]

is AP astral power

[lament warren]

it’s the new shiv talent

[balmy condor]

Arterial precision

[lament warren]

arterial precision

[ebon notch]

oh that

bro i cant wait for aoe shiv

we're gonna do so much damage

we're gonna be SHITTING out damage

[balmy condor]

Yeah on specifically 4-6 target

[lament warren]

i think i will try to do my weekly key as sin

[ebon notch]

the aoe soothe shit

gonna be nuts

and with TTB

like

[balmy condor]

I cant wait for my 2.5% damage gain in moderate cleave

[ebon notch]

DAMN SON

and 2 stacks of shiv

shesh

[lament warren]

do you run double shiv in keys

[ebon notch]

you would with AP

and TTB

[balmy condor]

On enrage you do

[hardy dagger]

T I N Y

[lament warren]

i was gonna say just bc running double shiv makes utility shiv a lot less negatively impactful

[craggy oak]

is there overhang interactions with deathmark?

[balmy condor]

No

[lament warren]

cuz it’s way harder to lose casts on double shiv

[hardy dagger]

to the moon

[craggy oak]

ty

[balmy condor]

Idk AP Just…. Isn’t impressive right now

It’s just utility

[ebon notch]

but surely the increased damage on multiple targets will net a decent gain?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[ebon notch]

on mass AOE its negligible for sure

[balmy condor]

It’s 2.5% in 4-6

[lament warren]

i was not convinced that it would make sin giga strong but i feel like pressing a button and having it duplicate is just really fun mechanics

[ebon notch]

thats cringe

[balmy condor]

And it’s meh otherwise

[ebon notch]

why is it so low

[balmy condor]

Cause on lower target counts shrouded or sbs are better

[ebon notch]

is it still 2.5% if we back to back those shivs

[balmy condor]

And on higher target counts IC is better

[ebon notch]

for max uptime

oh wait in this scenario we give up IC for DTB right

in order to take AP

[lament warren]

any ic ap gamers

[balmy condor]

That gives up a ton of damage too

[lament warren]

i will not do even a single point of pure single target damage

unethical gameplay only

[balmy condor]

ICAP is probably playable though

[ebon notch]

swap deathmark and ICs position in the tree or smth

[balmy condor]

What was it behind like 1.6%

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ebon notch]

and move poison bomb to the right

[balmy condor]

Oh 0.6

Yeah that’s probably more than playable

Some apl adjusting and it’s good to go

[lament warren]

aoe spec

my dream

[ebon notch]

goddamit

i was hoping it would at least be half reasonable

[hardy dagger]

[balmy condor]

You want to put your only single target cooldown at the bottom of the tree behind 3 points of scent?

[ebon notch]

idc about deathmark in keys

[balmy condor]

Huh

[ebon notch]

on tyran sure

but i would change up the build anyway

[lament warren]

this is pure ethical gaming

[hardy dagger]

Assa key setup with dm on bosses

Without

[lament warren]

bosses are just really annoying trash mobs

[hardy dagger]

Assa tier was like 90% increased bleed dmg on ptr iirc

[thorn crater]

inb4 buffs to ap and KB in the next ptr update

[hardy dagger]

Sepulcher tier

[keen spruce]

Okay but when puzzle box in m+?

[balmy condor]

Prepull prolly but you just don’t play it

[thorn crater]

i guess AP being mid is kind of whatever we didnt have it before. but KB hurts

[balmy condor]

[hardy dagger]

So make it 90% and uncapped

[ebon notch]

if you want an on use trinket for keys

play dathea trinket

that thing is fucking bonkers

[spice spire]

Have double step ready

[hardy dagger]

Boon on dathea Is bonkers

How ironic

[balmy condor]

Untalenting DM in dslice is -7%

[ebon notch]

fr

thats sus

[balmy condor]

Wdym that’s sus

[thorn crater]

how is it sus XD

[lament warren]

i have to do some math while i install wow again

[ebon notch]

dm only hit one target

but

other spells

many target

[balmy condor]

What

[thorn crater]

without DM ure using 2 paper clips to hit bosses

[ebon notch]

not adding up here

[oblique jackal]

@balmy condor kingsbane will use Amp poison in 10.5?

[keen spruce]

Other spells don’t hit many target when there’s only one target

[hardy dagger]

Yeah dm is not aoe

Bad spell

[ebon notch]

yeah but dungeon normally many target

[thorn crater]

you can tell this guy is highly intelligent

by his total lack of verbs in his sentences

[hardy dagger]

Many target big aoe spell good

[ebon notch]

yes!?

[spice spire]

Kings bane will be nonexistent in 10.0.5

[oblique jackal]

That’s what I was thinking too

[balmy condor]

It for sure won’t use twist the knife, so yeh I guess

[oblique jackal]

I saw someone in the pvp channel mention that lol

I was like.. that doesn’t make sense so I wanted to make sure

[balmy condor]

I have no idea if you’re having a stroke or you’re actually this dense

[keen spruce]

Dungeon lots of many target, but quite a bit of one target. DM get big value on one one target small value on many target. Other spell get 0 value on one target, big value on many target

[ebon notch]

stroking

[spice spire]

Stroking what

🤨

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

Brother that’s a demerit

[balmy condor]

Like in single target Untalenting dm is -15%

[hardy dagger]

[balmy condor]

-7% in dslice is low

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[thorn crater]

i cant wait for them to buff ap and KB so i can tag that guy that was flaming me for 20 minutes in here the other day for saying those 2 might need a buff

[balmy condor]

Huge

[red tinsel]

Doesn't the 20% bleed dmg increase also huge for Single Target?

[hardy dagger]

Can't wait when blizzard removes cd on exang

[thorn crater]

how is it better than permanent 20% on garrote (shrouded)

[balmy condor]

It’s competing with shrouded and sbs and it loses against both right now

Ironically, kingsbane builds use AP so there’s probably some hardsyncing shiv to DM that could happen

But it’s nothing crazy

“Huge” isn’t the right descriptor

I would maybe call it uh

“Neat”

[keen spruce]

You’re neat

[thorn crater]

logicwise, boosting garrote and rupture for 8 seconds vs boosting garrote permanently

[keen spruce]

[thorn crater]

that alone should cover it even without SBS dmg

[balmy condor]

Thanks babe, wanna be neat and beat my schmeat?

[keen spruce]

Yes chef

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

maybe bedge angle no?

[red tinsel]

Maybe we should get Assa buffed

[balmy condor]

Respectfully I don’t need your suggestions

[red tinsel]

Whispyr should reform the uncrowned

[lament warren]

@ebon notchwait

when we were talking abt shields earlier

i think i thought we were talking about p1 intermission shields

and you were talking abt stormsurge

[ebon notch]

i was also talking about p1 intermission shields on the fire add

[lament warren]

bc initial context the person was asking about ct

[ebon notch]

😦

[balmy condor]

Those the homies in the sewers from legion?

My memory is shit

[lament warren]

i may be reading this log wrong or it's bugged or something

but on the r1 public sub rogue log for m raz

[worn panther]

Any chance someone can take a look at my M Terros logs?

[lament warren]

he does zero damage to flamesworn herald

[ebon notch]

yeah probs goes frost side

[keen spruce]

Oooo a fresh Chinese Assas rogue parse on M brazzergath

[ebon notch]

cause sub is good at killing those adds regardless

[lament warren]

and on surging ruiners

he caps out at like 28k dps

for their shields

[worn panther]

!logs

[ebon notch]

link log

maybe he sucks

🤷‍♂️

[lament warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hk1m4TAzCL2y9J6N#fight=33&type=damage-done&translate=true&phase=2&source=4&target=101.4&start=23062993&end=23098411
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hk1m4TAzCL2y9J6N#fight=33&type=damage-done&translate=true&phase=2&source=4&target=101.6&start=23063864&end=23071454
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hk1m4TAzCL2y9J6N#fight=33&type=healing&translate=true&phase=2&hostility=1&source=101.4&start=23062335&end=23097678
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hk1m4TAzCL2y9J6N#fight=33&type=damage-done&translate=true&source=4&target=107

[balmy condor]

I know I do

[red tinsel]

Yeah, I still have my insignia in my inventory

[ebon notch]

over the course of the intermission he's doing 150k dps tho

[lament warren]

yeah to ads

but i think we were talking about breaking the shields

you posited that outlaw mathematically would not allow a raid group to break shields

[balmy condor]

I visit them sometimes

[lament warren]

but logs are not backing that up

at least for intermission

[ebon notch]

i did not say it was mathematically impossible

i said that it just does worse than sub

breaking shields/just doing damage to the adds w.e

sub will do it better

[lament warren]

that's not what you said

[lament warren]

.

[ebon notch]

yeah

[lament warren]

though maybe i misunderstood

[ebon notch]

and if you arent on the shields

you're still more valuable

[lament warren]

yeah

[ebon notch]

but that is what they are strong at

[lament warren]

i was not disagreeing that outlaw is griefing on mythic

fwiw

[balmy condor]

British hyperbole

[ebon notch]

did you rly wait an hour to go get logs and then come back to me

[lament warren]

i got out of bed

[balmy condor]

Proper crackin innit

[red tinsel]

Miss the Rogue class story, had a lot of potential with VanCleef, Sanguinar and Shaw

[lament warren]

i didn't feel like you were correct

and i didn't like you being rude to me about it

[red tinsel]

Oh and Tess

Tess should finally be relevant to the story again

[ebon notch]

wasnt rly rude was just disagreeing

you just didnt feel like you were wrong

[lament warren]

typing born loser after i say i'm autistic is kind of rude

x)

[ebon notch]

you alright bud?

[ebon notch]

i didnt see you say you were autistic

my fault i guess

[balmy condor]

Taoshi robbed in story

[red tinsel]

It ain't a true day on discord if people aren't arguing

[lament warren]

i don't think either of us were wrong i think we were just independently inventing arguments

[balmy condor]

She did nothing in legion and then was an extra in 8.3 for some quests

[thorn fjord]

spicy morning innit?

[balmy condor]

She deserves better

[red tinsel]

Lots of good rogues in Lore just being ignored.....

Maybe we'll get some nod with Wrathion and the Black Talon Agents

[keen spruce]

they coulda skipped one of the evil horde warchief story lines and had some political espionage with SI:7 and some corrupt alliance leader stuff instead

[balmy condor]

Haven’t had my morning cup of yorkshire

[keen spruce]

would have been more interesting

either shaw led SI:7 coup or jaina go crazy and SI:7 working to undermine her

[shut owl]

Time to lift some off of spiffing?

[keen spruce]

make ally evil again

[ebon notch]

whats a cup of yorkshire

[lament warren]

innit

[red tinsel]

More like Turalyon who has no reason to trust the Horde since his only experience is 2nd War demonic controlled Orcs, will be an aggressor and use the SI:7

[thorn fjord]

Cup of Yorkies

[red tinsel]

Also Greymane has tons of reasons to go for the Horde, that is a good chance to include Tess

[balmy condor]

Why Yorkshire tea is the breakfast tea of choice for any respectful British

[lament warren]

greymane can go horde now that sylv is gone

poggies

horde puppies

:pog

:c

[red tinsel]

Taoshi and the Pandaren prob will be forgotten, I already had but Whispyr is right, they were a really cool group

[trail tree]

i prefer PG Tips over yorkshire but they're both great

[keen spruce]

I mean they coulda just let one warchief live for more than 2 patches without wanting to commit mass genocide or dying to an npc

and then have any ally leader operate with ulterior motives other then praise the light peace on earth BS

[lament warren]

pretty sure bfa's story directly caused the covid-19 pandemic

they knew

[keen spruce]

just let the horde zug it up for a while on their own

[ebon notch]

i dont drink tea

[lament warren]

nzoth knew

[red tinsel]

Yeah, shame Tyrande is now on trauma mode and not vengeful anymore

[lament warren]

they are allergic to having meaningful conflict resolution for the alliance

[red tinsel]

You guys buy all that theory that by us going back to the black empire N'Zoth was warned and purposely planned BfA in a way that we think he'd be beaten, but not really?

[thorn fjord]

Because the Alliance are a. bunch of cops

[lament warren]

maybe it's to continue the narrative that the horde are savages and the alliance are Civilized PEople

[lament warren]

i buy that it's a sick retcon if true

[royal lantern]

allright mate, sorry, but you dont call people the C Word

[keen spruce]

like consider, Anduin dum kid who's too naive and idealisitic about peace and light. getting slowy exploited by his advisors that all have ulterior motives whether that's starting another direct conflict with the horde or exploiting the population for their own gain. SI:7 can be one of the players in the game of thrones style situation or the scrappy underdogs trying to support anduin

[lament warren]

chromie retcons are just based

no doubt about it

[red tinsel]

Tbh when Shadowlands launched I was praying that it was all a ruse by NZoth because of how bad it was

[lament warren]

i don't think anduin is too naive and idealistic about peace and light

he's like

kind of unironically a rogue

[keen spruce]

I'm saying that would have been a more compelling story line than what we got

[lament warren]

oh

maybe

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

but i think it waters down anduin's character to do that

[red tinsel]

But it makes sense with Ilgynoth saying the King of Diamonds will be made a Pawn. So NZoth already knew we would defeat him in BfA because of us visiting the Black Empire in DF

[lament warren]

not to say that every other character hasn't been watered down comparatively

but i kinda like anduin not being black and white like that

[red tinsel]

So he manipulates Magni and sets Xal'atath free on purpose

[keen spruce]

I'd sacrifice 1000 anduins for a dozen other alliance characters getting more development

and depth

and screentime

[red tinsel]

Imo they should bring VanCleef back somehow and develop her and the Delia's

Defias

[lament warren]

i think i would be more impressed if someone from blizzard came out and without spoilers just said "yeah we have planned this since legion"

it's impressive on its own right if they're able to like

[royal lantern]

nah, make 1good character instead of 30that have 10 lines during a patch and are then forgotten

[lament warren]

make the story compelling again

[royal lantern]

zandalari what?

[lament warren]

but it's kinda not impressive to set up plotlines that could mean nothing

and then turn them into something when it's convenient

[red tinsel]

Cookie expansion when

[royal lantern]

thats litearlly how longterm writing works

[keen spruce]

cookie best boi

getting weird nekid dragons as playable before murlocs, harpies, centaurs, or ogres is criminal

[raven vapor]

is there a way to make plater colors dynamic? e.g the plate changes color when both dots are active on that target? then changes back when one drops

[lament warren]

but it's not though

you can plan out a lot of things very far ahead in advance

or maybe it is

i just mean like

it's hard for me to believe that the current strongest cohesive plot line is one that was developed like 6 years ago

the characters they invented tell the story in a way that is supposed to make you believe that

and you are right that that's not really always how mmo writing is supposed to go

[keen spruce]

I'm pretty sure they just leave a bunch of shit vague and open ended so they can randomly pivot and ret con shit later

[lament warren]

ya

and like

99% of the time that's completely fine

like that's kind of what you have to do

when you're creating thousands of little storylines in a neat package

but i think specifically it's not that bad to feel burned when they're like

[keen spruce]

I'd rather they just have a bunch of well fleshed out, smaller storylines with specific characters instead of expansion long grand narratives

[lament warren]

"hey all the awful shit we put you through? it was a ruse!"

like

yes we indulged in the story for only $15 a month but that's also years of our life on that

[thorn fjord]

Blizzard hitting us with the SIKE

[lament warren]

so like

200 years of shadowlands story writing experience

whispyr logged out in m+ talents for me to steal

🧐

[red tinsel]

How are you so sure he doesn't make bogus talents to mess with people like you

[lament warren]

holy

it's a gouge build

no shot

ii can't keybind that button on this spec!!!

[lament warren]

i'll make it work anyway

bro what

they moved reset an hour earlier

i hate the government

[manic crescent]

I have to wait another day for reset US is p2w fuck this

[lament warren]

pay to beta test u mean

there's gonna be some unplayable bug for 12 hours

in whatever your favorite content is

and by the time it's eu reset it will be fixed

[manic crescent]

Good joke, as if blizzard is that fast

[regal nymph]

Are you guys playing king's bane in raid?

[sullen hollow]

It only really makes sense with puzzlebox dont it

Im not sure

But thats my thought

[thorny pond]

KB is good for on demand burst. Like Raz shields

So quick prio damage. But it generally sims pretty close to DTB as well. Sim yourself, it will probably be within 1% or so, so enjoy what you like

[regal nymph]

Neat

[keen spruce]

http://www.gifntext.com/temp_generations/SS41likW.gif

@balmy condor

[slim hamlet]

how dare you

[thorny pond]

What did box do

[shrewd night]

If we could pin truthbombs in here, I would pin that shit so fast

[slim hamlet]

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[slim hamlet]

Puzzle box bis

Only reason it sucks ass is because grieftorch is also channel

All grieftorch's fault

[spice spire]

Pin this buddy

[thorny pond]

That’s dicking legendary

[slim hamlet]

Bro I can't

everytime you send a message

That profile pic of yours

[keen spruce]

fk that rubix cube

[umbral rapids]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[lament warren]

10% on last boss

no weekly key

[brazen zodiac]

🪡