assassination

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[stiff vale]

If anyone here plays guilty gear, their discord does it pretty well I think? As an example. I think a lot of people just don't use the thread feature though, but I think it's not too bad

[magic vine]

threads have terrible visibility, which basically ensures that a lot of people won't even notice a new one

[balmy condor]

we can't even get people to read the faq

and that's a whole ass channel

or the pins

and that's a staple

[magic vine]

i will say that in terms of people coming to rogue from other classes, its not too weird to run into that

since for some class discords you check their faq and then you get to talk about covenants and you realize it might be out of date

[stiff vale]

which is wild, at least for me 90% of my time in this disc is checking pins and FAQ

[balmy condor]

yah well

I added trinket usages to the faq

because "how puzzle box" got on my nerves

but like

[rigid rain]

!log

[balmy condor]

we still get it about every hour

[stiff vale]

I gotta come clean tho I was one of those ppl once 😶‍🌫️ in my defense I got it just before my raid and had to hurry lolol

[timber meadow]

is there a way in a log to identify an empowered garrote vs. a normal garrote

[brazen zodiac]

u even put pictures too

!!!

[magic vine]

it'd be nice if there was some easy way to show updated stuff in the faq, but i don't think there really is with the way discord runs

[brazen zodiac]

ez just check back every few days and look at the change log whisp added :D

[balmy condor]

there's a changelog

at the bottom

whenever something gets added or changed I make a note

sometimes I just update typos

those obviously don't get a changelog

[magic vine]

yea i mean like, unless someone swings past the faq looking for updates they're not likely to catch that, and i don't think edits re-highlight the channel?

[balmy condor]

if there's big things I just throw a dot at the bottom

and then delete it

that highlights

we find ways around it

[wary ice]

U should ping the server everytime u update it

[brazen zodiac]

based

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/based-me-explaining-explaining-explain-based-on-what-gif-18383769

[next edge]

I think im blessed

I sim higher without exsang

[balmy condor]

me too when I unequip my tier

[distant plinth]

What do we think about the Kingsbane and dbt shares node and the new talent for 10.0.5?

[next edge]

is that because stats prolly, rightu?

im 4 set too

[next edge]

I think what the pin state

[balmy condor]

ye

[next edge]

gotta keep those % forever, never exsang

[balmy condor]

do you have a box?

[keen spruce]

I threw 3 puzzle boxes in the sea

[balmy condor]

item restore them

[keen spruce]

no

i hate it

also I can rely on my raiders dying enough to get more value out of grieftorch

[balmy condor]

yeah but you play both

[keen spruce]

but I have my grimtotem zappy :c

it sims within a couple tenths of a % of the rubix cube

and it saves my mental

[weak plover]

But when puzzle box

[balmy condor]

you use box when your dad comes home

[weak plover]

shiet

deleting

[next edge]

Just looted it

5 mins ago

why

[balmy condor]

box helps exsang usually

[next edge]

even more monkaW then

[keen spruce]

fine

but i ain't equippin it

[balmy condor]

send it to me

[keen spruce]

i'll trade u for a CoS ring

[balmy condor]

no

[spring moth]

can anyone review my opener video clip?

[weak isle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[timber meadow]

is there a reason why the apl uses a sbs right after garrote but before rupture in the opener (pre er) but in the opener in the faq it has rupture immeditately after garrote (with no sbs)

so like apl opener is more like garrote/snd/garrote/sbs/rupture/er/rupture and faq is garrote/snd/garrote/rupture/er/rupture

[somber hill]

theres dif openers for dif builds, sounds like you are referring to the shrouded suffocation build re: the rupture post garrote

[somber hill]

#assassination-faq message this may answer your question better

[vital reef]

How big are the Assn Nerfs tomorrow? Do we change specs?

I mean change talents

[agile geode]

Wut

[peak basin]

Is 10.0.5 coming out tomorrow?

[vital reef]

Arnt we getting some nerfs tomorrow?

[agile geode]

There's no nerfs neither changes brother

[vital reef]

Oh nice my bad

[agile geode]

Just a Nerf to outlaw

Aoe

[vital reef]

Is that even meaninful in any way? 1% nerf to one thing

[timber meadow]

@somber hill appreciate it, that wasn't exactly the discrepency between the faq opener and the apl opener though

both faq and apl double garrote in opener

and I understand why - the diff is just that the apl applies sbs in the opener but the faq opener doesn't

[agile geode]

Is a 1-2% Nerf to aoe cleave

Not that meaningful

[timber meadow]

anyone know how to identify an emopwered garrote in a log vs. a regaular garrote?

[dire ivy]

Empowered is at latest 3 gcds after stealth/vanish

[timber meadow]

is there no tag associated with empowered garrotes in logs?

or like unique id etc

[teal bloom]

the lower one is improved when you look at enemy debuffs

[agile geode]

I think not

Oh

Im wrong

[teal bloom]

Actually

idk if that is the deathmark duplicated garrote

mb

[timber meadow]

its dm

[peak basin]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[peak basin]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[gleaming lark]

wheres the guide at?

[balmy condor]

which exactly?

[gleaming lark]

pve assassiantion

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[weak isle]

ups

#assassination-faq

please bear with me here.. im gonna ask a stupid question

is it best to sim patchwork or Execute patchwork?

i see whispyrs sim be pure patchwork so my bet is just pure patchwork! but i just wanted a double check

[balmy condor]

depends what kind of data you want i guess

[weak isle]

well just my talent builds, cus i have 2 different tree;s outperforming on either, which makes sense right cus of the build u run, but im not sure what to run now, since i have 4set today

[balmy condor]

execute is execute, normal patchwerk is 100->0

if you're trying to sim for specifically execute, you should sim for specifically execute

if you're trying to sim for a full 100-0 fight, you shouldn't sim for specifically execute

[oblique jackal]

Is it me or is sin in a weird spot with talents

[balmy condor]

weird how

[dire ivy]

Right now? Just you i think . In 10.0.5 yea a bit weird that kingsbane got essentially canceled

[weak isle]

gotcha, just having a harder time understanding when exactly u wanna sim which one since assa has their execute angle but ill jsut go with pure patchwork and that should be enough for me!

[keen spruce]

only weird thing is kind of having to go 2/3 zoldycks with the DTB build

but that doesn't really affect how you play at all

[keen spruce]

unless you're fighting a boss that starts at 30% hp, it's probably more realistic to just do a normal patch

[clever depot]

So , how will the kingsbane talent position change affect our singletarget in m+ content?

[keen spruce]

unless you really need excecute damage over all else for a certain encounter

[balmy condor]

very little

[broken abyss]

Regarding PVP, why am I seeing more top Assassination Rogues run PVP talent Hemotoxin with talent Wound Poison? They don't now stack with eachother do they?

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[keen spruce]

I believe they do

[broken abyss]

Thank you for this answer. I literally been checking EVERYWHERE for weeks. Any place I've ever seen any info on this says they don't stack, and yet all the best guides as well as the world's best players use this combination

Even the Wowhead guide shows this: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/pvp-talent-builds

I've also read that Wound Poison is dispellable (since it a poison) and Hemotoxin isn't (since it is a talent resulting in an "unclassified"/undispellable debuff). Is this true?

Does anyone have the exact reasoning behind why you would combine Wound Poison and Hemotoxin?

[balmy condor]

more heal reduction is better

really should be in #pvp though

[crimson torrent]

what it does is cause a healing reduction window which should net you cds but is best used during deathmark windows because it will cause the healer to really fall behind

the window is 8 seconds per shiv

[hollow river]

they do not stack, but are both still good. but as whispyr said if you have any pvp questions you can feel free to ask in the #pvp channel

[fickle nymph]

how do you think the scheduled changes to the assass talent tree will affect the spec?

[balmy condor]

pins

[worn trench]

does shadowmeld empower garrote on boss raid fight?

[lusty nacelle]

no

[agile geode]

Kek

[idle coyote]

Do bleeds/poisons Snapshot with box mastery or just effected for duration of buff

[teal bloom]

only duration of puzzle box

[idle coyote]

Ty

[raw tusk]

So I know theres still being work done on sims and stuff but whats the general outlook on assasin in keys and st

[gilded oasis]

Is nightly still logic fail

[flint tusk]

In before !pins

[gilded oasis]

I read the pin but idk if they just haven't unpinned or when new nightlys are out or fixed

[flint tusk]

Sorry pins was to idsapdat

But from what i understand night is still messed up

[raw tusk]

oh yeah already read them

i just saw one parts says its okay one says its bad but I thought the changes were good

[gilded oasis]

I figured since it was still pinned it is but just wanted to check. Ill just use weekly still!

[glossy grove]

Yo, I just have joined the discord server and im figuring out which Talent tree would be the best for pure singletarget (prefer without kingsbane, except when it does way more dmg)

[slow needle]

Check the FAQ for builds.

[mortal venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[mortal venture]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[glossy grove]

Yea i just checked and already coppied one, but there'S another are slightly different ones, so im confused

[slow needle]

By what? There is one with KB and one without.

You don't want KB so use the other.

[balmy condor]

faq is a very generic build

but with tier you can change a couple points

and those might sim higher

[glossy grove]

Hm

[balmy condor]

^ if you look here there's a pastebin you can add to top gear to compare all the viable builds

[glossy grove]

Okay, theres a Dragon-Tempered Talent tree "Bleed+Exsang", which im trying to use

How is the rotation for it? I cannot find it in the Rotation guide

Cause theres only kb + exsang

not dragon tempered one + exsang

[balmy condor]

you mean where it says "for dtb with exsang just ignore KB"

[flint tusk]

I felt the blood pressure jump a tiny bit then.

[glossy grove]

;:DD

Yea

well now I know the rotation

😄

[balmy condor]

I am nothing but a glorified google bot

[glossy grove]

xD

Thanks to you!

[flint tusk]

A sleep deprived google bot.

[glossy grove]

Does the rotation change when you got 4p?

[balmy condor]

No

[glossy grove]

I was looking at top rogues in Raids at warcraftlogs, who are playing completly different rotation, which I adapted

Okay

[balmy condor]

[slow needle]

Ngl, we need a first person pov stream of you just doing you stuff in discord. Full commentary.

[cerulean walrus]

I mean at least you have cat ears

[balmy condor]

I know this a joke but I respond in discord while I stream

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what this means btw

[drifting light]

Any examples?

[slow needle]

It is both a joke and something I would watch in its entirety.

[drifting light]

Are they pressing mutilate differently or what

[dire ivy]

I think he means the whole rotation and not the opener and will now use the opener as the full rotation

[cerulean walrus]

Push the button harder and you actually stab with three weapons instead of two

[flint tusk]

Pressing mutilate with 3 grams more force leading to a 0.00372 dps gain

[glossy grove]

Well they played: Garrote,Garrote, Slice and Dice, Garrote, Bone, Rupture, Echoing, Rupture, Exsang, deathmark, kingsbane, shiv

[balmy condor]

HUH?

[drifting light]

Naaah

[glossy grove]

They did

go watch ;D

[balmy condor]

garrote garrote slice garrote?

that's fucking troll as shit

[glossy grove]

y

[drifting light]

They override garrote with a shit garrote?

[balmy condor]

what a bunch of actual dumbfucks

[drifting light]

Nah man

[cerulean walrus]

GAREET ONE

GARRET TWO

[celest ruin]

pretty sure they just messed up the opener

[glossy grove]

no

they're always playing

this opener

[drifting light]

Link pls

[glossy grove]

y

[flint tusk]

Now you’ve poked the bear 😂

[glossy grove]

give me some seconds

[drifting light]

If they do, that's just bad and they got a fat grieftorch or smth bro

[balmy condor]

they should go back to one tricking outlaw, no amount of braincells can fix that level of stupidity

[celest ruin]

wait did they just garrote twice then replacing it with a normal garrote

[unborn gate]

-Gets popcorn-

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean walrus]

[glossy grove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ynB8tWGdHRZgDJLa#fight=3&view=replay

[dire ivy]

[glossy grove]

Foordenr

I mean ik its a 1:34 fight

[echo heath]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[glossy grove]

but its his opener all the fights

[balmy condor]

okay

[strange python]

!fuu

[balmy condor]

so the opener you said

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

and the opener he did

are two different things

[cerulean walrus]

Oh no no no

[balmy condor]

the opener he did is what you're supposed to do

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

the opener you thought he did is the dumbest shit I read all week

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[glossy grove]

😄

[timber basalt]

[drifting light]

😄

[teal bloom]

[glossy grove]

Well which point I misunterstood in the replay?

[cerulean walrus]

It’s literally

[glossy grove]

May you tell me?

[cerulean walrus]

In the log

You can fucking see

[dire ivy]

Whispyr you just made my day not gonna lie, I can’t stop laughing

[balmy condor]

Garrote,Garrote, Slice and Dice, Garrote this overwrites two empowered garrotes, with a normal garrote

that's troll as hell

this? does not overwrite the empowered garrotes with a normal garrote

[glossy grove]

Okay

[balmy condor]

cause the dude just copy pasted the faq opener

we can also do a little bit of counting if that's easier

this is 3 seconds

so count with me, ready?

[drifting light]

🧌

[glossy grove]

Well I did huge mistakes then, I was wondering since im testing it, but I didn't questioning it, that's why iam here now 😄

[balmy condor]

1. Garrote
2. Garrote
   3.Slice and Dice
3. Garrote

garrote on 4?

4 > 3

that's not good

[glossy grove]

Yyy i understand

[cerulean walrus]

[strange python]

why are fuu sims higher

[drifting light]

Either way, faq isnt lying

[cerulean walrus]

Count with me now

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

he simmed with a custom APL that didn't get pushed until later

[glossy grove]

Well thank you @balmy condor I just tried the opener you posted and did almost 15k more dps 😄

[balmy condor]

yah crazy

[drifting light]

XD

[balmy condor]

when you push the right buttons in the right order

dps stonks

[glossy grove]

y

[drifting light]

Man, i sometimes cant. Everything is given to us yet some ppl still manage to come up with stuff like that. Glad you learned something new i guess

Read the faq, tips and stuff. Its really helpful

[glossy grove]

Yea I will, I was playing outlaw all the time, and needed some help with assa 😄

Maybe some day my ilvl logs are going to 100

with your guides

[drifting light]

Everything is possible man. Gl

[flint tusk]

In before.
“Is it good to start with a mfd rupture into shiv then fan to SnD”
Why is damage bad

[keen spruce]

We need an AI bot to predict and report Whispyr's blood pressure based on volume of FAQ questions in the last 30 minutes

[glossy grove]

kind of you 😄

[slow needle]

The % of caps in his responses is definitely an input feature for the model.

[dire ivy]

I always start cheapshot into mutilate kidney 🙂

[cerulean walrus]

FoK from stealth

Even in ST

[keen spruce]

Don't stealth prepull when you have another rogue in your party, just use their shroud and save a global pre pull

[flint tusk]

Garrote 4 gcd for maximum throat slitting action.

Only open with exsang no bleeds

[cerulean walrus]

Spam detection during unused GCDs to continue stacking Spiteful Storm

[teal bloom]

garrote-garrote-garrote-vanish-garrote-garrote-garrote-garrote

[dire ivy]

Don’t forget to shroud dude wtf

Full ss buff for whole raid

[flint tusk]

Yeh shroud in the vanish to let the raid know you mean business

[balmy condor]

you're forgetting the crucial step

[slow needle]

Side note it procs off glide. Its actually a dps increase for Dhs to constantly be jumping and gliding.

[balmy condor]

you have to vanish and sit in stealth for the master assassin crit rate

very potent

[cerulean walrus]

It procs off fucking everything

[glossy grove]

May someone of you can post me his logs on some raid bosses?

[cerulean walrus]

I pulled a boss applying poisons ffs

[slow needle]

I pulled by bein that DH running around jumping.

[timber basalt]

mage pulled using arcane intellect

[keen spruce]

we had someone pull with a vantus rune cuz it proc'd something

i think it was a mage

[cerulean walrus]

Probably an arcane mage

We had it happen too

[viscid spear]

Imagine, if you will, you have SBS bound to your Push-To-Talk key

[cerulean walrus]

So it’s like the

One meme

[rigid tartan]

Funny but right now the poison dtb build is simming within like 200 dps on 9 min compared to bleed dtb/kingsbane. No one knows when 10.0.5 comes right? Just some time in the next weeks?

[cerulean walrus]

@viscid spear

[viscid spear]

[high junco]

Ok so i'm new to assassination and have been reading and researching a lot. I'm doing solid numbers ST but i'm really struggling to figure out M+ and sustained aoe etc. Is there anywhere i should be looking that has more info? I feel like the builds kind of listed and rotations there but i'm just really missing something. Sorry in advance if i've missed something obvious

[balmy condor]

wowhead has a section on the rotation page about some m+ things

should be all you need really

[high junco]

Ok will spend more time trying to figure it out, i'm obviously just screwing up applications

[knotty vapor]

your core damage is indiscriminate carnage into garrote from stealth

obviously followed by rupture

that alone is enough to do pretty solid damage if you do that correctly

[high junco]

Ok, will try it. Sorry for stupid questions if they are. just brand new to spec and i'm trying to pick up knowledge from people that know as well as wowhead etc haha

[spice spire]

@ me

[knotty vapor]

shadowstep and ptt is the same button for me

so my raid will just hear me yell in terror for a split second sometimes

as I shadowstep myself back onto a ledge

[cerulean walrus]

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/true-story-cheers-barney-stinson-gif-15127899

[agile geode]

Guys what you think Is Better to play from kurog mythic?, I mean there are a lot of big adds, do you think Is still worth to play assassination there or to swap outlaw?

I saw some pov and there are 2adds always

1-2

I would play sin but i think outlaw Is Better there

[knotty vapor]

try it and see if you do better

[agile geode]

Yy

[drifting cloud]

outlaw is the best rogue spec, but the other 2 are still ok

[agile geode]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

all the adds dont have same kill prio, 1st one you mostly passive cleave, 2nd one in 1st intermission you stop dps on almost to wait for cds

[agile geode]

I know that

Sayin outlaw Is the best spec Is wrong btw

Outlaw Is the best overall dps spec

Y

Sin slap on st

[drifting cloud]

on kurog*

[agile geode]

Oh kk

[drifting cloud]

but its not the best by some insane difference where youd NEED to play it, but if you dont mind what you play outlaw would probably be the best there

[agile geode]

I Will check during progress

Thanks btw

[echo heath]

i hate how the spec feels if i dont take shrouded suffocation

opener feels poopy

[plucky dock]

I have a stupid question, when playing kingsbane build (without DTB) should i use Amplifying poison over deadly poison?

[lament warren]

i would probably play sin

if i got to kurog a bit later

because the ad doesn't really need to die

and sin isn't terrible in intermission

[safe barn]

What makes you say that

[safe barn]

Oh ok, saw this later

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

yep, if talented into amp you play amp

[plucky dock]

Sweet thank you! Can i ask another one?

[balmy condor]

sorry, we have a strict 1-question policy

that's your second question

[plucky dock]

I feel like im doing everything correctly but my sims tells me that i should be doing like 15-20k more damage than i do on the target dummy so idk what im doing wrong 😦

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna have to ban you

[balmy condor]

are you simming target dummy

or patchwerk

[plucky dock]

patchwerk

[balmy condor]

well

there's your issue

patchwerk is not a target dummy :P

[plucky dock]

Ill check dummy now

Ok, ye im a dumbass

No further questions, your honor!

Thanks for help though! 😄

[balmy condor]

same homie

glad to help

[brazen zodiac]

whisp so cool

[balmy condor]

yeah 3 hours of ice spider

makes me chilly

but I got my winter coat so it's fine

[drifting cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

AH down epic

[tall flame]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[tall flame]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[rocky abyss]

I feel like there are some talent combinations missing no?

[balmy condor]

wdym

[cloud moat]

If you're thinking of KB DTB, it can't be made. Falls 1 point short

[balmy condor]

I'm curious what talent combos are missing

[empty hinge]

Morning friends

[rocky abyss]

I can't seem to find the bleed dtb exsang maybe I'm just too tired

[balmy condor]

it's right there

top profile

[rocky abyss]

I meant as in pins or faq

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's not really the recommended build

so

yeah that makes sense

[rocky abyss]

How come?

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of people still simming higher with poison dtb

just cause it's better on bis doesn't mean its better for you

large portion of the community is also missing 4pc still

I'll move the poison build to the bleed build once catalyst releases probably

sin has like 10 builds that are all fine

that's why I put them in the spreadsheet along with a pastebin to sim yourself

[rocky abyss]

Found it on logs yesterday dimming 1.5k higher for me that's why I was wondering

[balmy condor]

gratz

[rocky abyss]

Appreciate you putting it in the spreadsheet. Didn't know that.
Sorry for asking was just trying to find some info on the build

[balmy condor]

you're good

that's what it's there for at the end of the day

glad you found the stonks

we love that

[rocky abyss]

Time to hit some target dummy and get used to it I guess. Is the kb opener still valid for it?

[balmy condor]

yep just get rid of kingsbane

[rocky abyss]

Aight cool thanks mate

[formal cliff]

Tried playing dtb on dungeons and felt bad not having IC

[balmy condor]

just wait a couple weeks

then you can have both

[spice spire]

Amen

[formal cliff]

Wait what

dtb + kb + Ic when

Guess I'm better just getting used to not having KB as of now

[balmy condor]

well that's not happening

DTB and KB are choice nodes

so

can't do that

[formal cliff]

yep

Saw that

[balmy condor]

but DTB IC

is banger

[spice spire]

[formal cliff]

Should've been like that since the beginning

[spice spire]

Some things had to be rushed At the end. Important thing is, relatively quick fix coming in

[balmy condor]

lots of iterative changes

building up throughout the expansion

[spice spire]

Whispyr has the hot goss

[balmy condor]

I mean that's just how it be

:)

fix small things, see how it plays out, adjust, fix more things

rather than all at once

it just makes sense ™️

[spice spire]

Nop, Implode the spec, explore chaos

[formal cliff]

Anyway, started gearing my rogue this week

Did like 20 keystones

Got no daggers

Hoping for one tomorrow

[balmy condor]

craft one

[formal cliff]

Yeah, I'm using the crafted one with embelishment

[balmy condor]

ez

that's all you need

[formal cliff]

But OH is poo poo

[balmy condor]

meh

whatever

OH stinky

[formal cliff]

lol

[spice spire]

Oh dps is no where close to MH

If that makes you feel better

[formal cliff]

Definitely

but i still want the agility of like 40 ilvls lol

[runic hinge]

Craft a second dagger

[balmy condor]

holy 90000 iq

[runic hinge]

And maybe a third for just in case

[balmy condor]

he's so intellectual

[runic hinge]

Like a break glass for third dagger situation

[formal cliff]

Can I not use an embelishment while crafting another dagger?

[balmy condor]

you don't have to embellish

[formal cliff]

Cool

[lament warren]

do not let them bait you into crafting another dagger

[polar gull]

does exssng make SBS tick faster during its durations since SBS is bleed damage?

[spice spire]

No

[bronze pike]

but i want kingsbane

dtb is >:(

[formal cliff]

lol

[polar matrix]

are the bloodmallet phial sims off?

[balmy condor]

no that looks about right

[polar matrix]

hmm cos tepid vers was simming higher for me.. but i guess it's not accounting for how vers performs on me specifically in my gear

could charged isolation be a play on mythic terros i wonder

[balmy condor]

no

mythic terros is literally perma stacked

[polar matrix]

ye i was trolling

[dire ivy]

use bfa flask best flasks

[brazen zodiac]

ar you ready to stay up for the next 2 days straight cuz i am

[thin gate]

guys, in ST we dont reapply SBS right?

we just use it once in opener

does exsang make it perma tick faster?

oh nvm

fries just asked it

but what about the reapply in melee range?

[runic hinge]

You don’t let the stacks cap

[polar matrix]

@thin gate you use it to avoid overcapping

[thin gate]

so i still use sbs

ok, ty.

[polar matrix]

anyway to check shiv uptime in warcraft logs?

[hollow river]

Debuffs->Enemies->click your name in the Sources drop down

[polar matrix]

thanks mate

[deep sorrel]

!whisp

fuck what's the cmd for whisp sheet

[balmy condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deep sorrel]

ty ^^

[frozen iris]

Is the sepsis change in 10.5 going to make it comparable to sbs?

[balmy condor]

not really

it's closer

but it's probably not going to be used just because the gameplay is a headache

[frozen iris]

I see. Do you think flag should have kept instead?

[royal lantern]

anything except sepsis tbh

[dim yacht]

fun fact, bracers give more stats than an off hand. idk if its still the case, but when i simmed in bfa at least, upgrading bracers actually gave a bigger dps boost than upgrading off hand. off hand means extremely little

[royal lantern]

the ability was a meme of bad desing during SL alpha allready

dunno why it stayed

[dim yacht]

sepsis was fun in pvp

[royal lantern]

no

[dim yacht]

sepsis rogue in season 3 was hilarious in low brackets

*fun for the person using it

[summer briar]

.

[royal lantern]

"overtuned cus it was shit and got 2million buffs until it made big dmg in cast in pvp and 1hitting people" is not a fun ability

its the most bandaid possible

[dim yacht]

it wasnt actually overtuned at all. it was a poison, and could be cleansed lol

sepsis was garbage above 1800 in arenas

the only reason sepsis was good in lower rated arenas is because people were too dumb to cleanse the poison, or were too slow to pop an immunity. as soon as you got to 1800, it wasnt anywhere near as good because people actually had brains

it wasnt hard to counter at all

if sepsis was an issue for you, it was a skill issue

[brazen zodiac]

damn

[royal lantern]

imagine playing wow pvp

lmao

[prisma cypress]

wow pvp peaked 15 years ago

unfortunately

[weak horizon]

Imagine doing this while it was bugged with exsang

[knotty canopy]

In the kb opener, do i wait for exsang to finish before i press deathmark or instantly use it?

[weak horizon]

Immediately after exsang

[knotty canopy]

Ty

[weak horizon]

Yeah, you wanna dupe those exsang bleeds

You just don't want to reverse the order or you cut DM in half by exsanging it

[balmy condor]

imagine doing this in legion when a poison bomb procced in aoe because it was your only source of aoe damage

[drifting sundial]

I hated poison bomb

[drifting cloud]

most people hated that version of pb

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of people did like versions of the spec that ended up tuned very high

PB proc rng was nothing that did make people switch spec

[subtle tundra]

People like dps

Huge numbers

Me when 400k dps in first pull no

🤤🤤

[vestal wren]

it is just a observation

even when subtlety was clearly the stronger output in ToS, you had 1/3 of the playerbase remain on assassination

and this with PB rng

[subtle tundra]

Real men play assa cause they like it 😔

Nothing more masculine than playing whatever the fuck you want

[grim jay]

[vestal wren]

this was legion

you could also guess what spec was the best performing in each raid

[subtle tundra]

Warlock?

[vestal wren]

from the 3 on the graph ^^

[subtle tundra]

Ah

[vestal wren]

ToS basically made it so that it did look a better balance out

[subtle tundra]

You can see the outlaw players swapping specs in the graph

[vestal wren]

outlaw did lose players over time yes

[subtle tundra]

The trend should've continued in bfa

[vestal wren]

it started out as the "best" just to get nerfed heavily week one

[subtle tundra]

Until the deletion

[vestal wren]

and never rly recover

i think it is more a consequence of assassination being just tuned way better for the entire of the xpac

that made people re-consider their spec choice

[subtle tundra]

Based

[dark token]

ever since SL outlaw pushed out other specs

[oak sky]

fuu posts these like every 2 months 💀

[grim jay]

Pushed out

[subtle tundra]

Fuu likes info dumping every now and then

[vestal wren]

don't think i post it this much, i haven't posted in a while

[subtle tundra]

Hey! Take this information and these statistics

[oak sky]

it feels like i see you post it a lot i just think its funny

obviously it fits the conversations

[vestal wren]

i could when i see sub going to 88k with the ns bug

maybe i shouldn't update subtlety

nobody will notice

[subtle tundra]

What's better on razs?

Assa or sub

[vestal wren]

you mean raz gear

or you mean the fight raz

[subtle relic]

Think he means fight Sub vs Ass

[subtle tundra]

Yes

Broodkeeper is whatever

[vestal wren]

i would argue sub is better on the fight just because it is strong in all phases of the fight

[subtle tundra]

It's a Netflix fight

Maybe I bust out the sub

[vestal wren]

but sin seems fine too, so idk up to you

[subtle tundra]

(kinda bored of sin st)

[vestal wren]

do you play KB or dtb?

[subtle tundra]

Dtb

If I get 1 kb parried I will strangle a chicken

[vestal wren]

haha

i mean you could go with a KB build

to mix things up

but sure, i welcome you to play a bit of sub

[subtle tundra]

Is execute even good on broodkeeper

[vestal wren]

double step and vanish-teleport works rly well on the fight

[subtle tundra]

Regardless I want to play sub a bit

[ruby moss]

Maybe a shit take but i would like to see an iteration of poison bomb as a combo point spender over random proc chance on envenom. Like with the 10.0.5 tree just scrap the whole AP idea and move poison bomb in its place and rework it as a spender for aoe, move kingsbane to poison bombs current place and just add the 3rd point back to dashing scoundrel. Would give assa a bit more aoe while also not having KB dead on arrival for 10.0.5

[subtle tundra]

Haven't multispeccd at all this expac

[vestal wren]

stats should be fairly similar

if you haven't stacked haste, you can probably just go as is

puzzle box is not as powerful on sub tho

[subtle relic]

Fuu if you have mostly vers stacked outlaw gear its probably better going sub as offspec than Assisi no?

I have like 28% unbuffed 2p

[balmy condor]

Okay so some issues with this. How would that compete with crimson tempest? If you put kingsbane in poison bombs place, that enables dtb and kingsbane for free, that’s no good either

[rigid tartan]

Has anyone seen the nerfed pushback yet?

[subtle tundra]

I have grief

[vestal wren]

yes, assassination is the spec that takes the least amount of vers, vers is not terrible but other stats are better for it

but as allways would just throw it in a sim

[vestal wren]

nice

[subtle tundra]

no cause reset hasnt even happened yet

[ruby moss]

i know im just kind of spit balling, you wouldnt compete with crimson tempest, you would run both, if you really wanted to spec into aoe damage. Crimson tempest wasnt designed as a spender to spam in aoe its there for the dot we just dont have any other option. so poison bomb could deal instant nature damage instead of damage over time

[worn panther]

Not having a puzzlebox and using cct feels awful man

My burst is so sad

[balmy condor]

I mean, okay sure that’s a solution I guess

Seems like you’re just nerfing CT in order to get pb spamming instead

[royal lantern]

just balance it, so you still need to use envenom/ct, but also make pb a instdnt dmg aoe finisher

/s btw

[ruby moss]

Hows it nerfing ct though? you would just run upkeep on it but while your not maintaining you have access to a real spender in aoe scenarios. CT would still do what its designed to do as an aoe dot effect

[rocky abyss]

welp got the puzzle box and now KB build is above again

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you have to remove the instant damage portion from it in order to get instant damage PB right? You’re just separating out the dot and the instant damage into 2 finishers instead of 1

[ruby moss]

yeah but that would be fine with a poison bomb rework, CT's instant damage isn't great anyway its just our only option on high target pulls. If that were to ever happen obviously poison bomb would have to strong enough instant damage and ct just being there for the dot. There is probably a way better iteration of this than what im thinking of, point is that we just dont have access to a true spender on aoe. CT wasnt designed to be spammed so it feels terrible being our only option on high target pulls

[balmy condor]

Difference in opinion I guess

I don’t see how spamming PB with a CT every 10 seconds feels so much better than just spamming CT

But if that’s what you want, I can’t really argue with it

[craggy glen]

I have Eranog's ring on MM and cowl and bronze grip on my main hand, should I remove the bronze grip to craft lariat or i'm good as i am?

[balmy condor]

You should craft lariat

Usually it’s lariat first

It’s the strongest of the 3

And then you replace bronze grip for cowl

[craggy glen]

I saw it 😂

But thanks 🙂

[subtle tundra]

i still envenom from time to time even in big pulls cause im just used to it...

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha same, dont wanna drop that shit&ability

[rocky abyss]

Whispyr any idea why there is a build sim is not wanting to sim for me?

[subtle tundra]

i guess im just a pisser.......................................

[balmy condor]

Why there is a what that is who

[rocky abyss]

So this is the result i get

[balmy condor]

sure

seems kinda reasonable

[rocky abyss]

but i input

[balmy condor]

yeah

"logs exsang dtb" is a kingsbane build

[rocky abyss]

nvm

im dumb

ye

[balmy condor]

ye

well, ye to the nvm

not to the dumb

idk how stupid you are

[rocky abyss]

fair enough ahahah

[sharp zodiac]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rocky abyss]

is kingsbane worth playing around for 0.5%?

[balmy condor]

depends on the fight honestly

raz? 100% worth

[rocky abyss]

at sennarth atm

[balmy condor]

terros? maybe not

[rocky abyss]

hm fair

i mean if its the play at Raz i guess i might aswell get used to it

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[balmy condor]

I'm playing KB exsang on sennarth rn

[spice spire]

On jah?

[subtle tundra]

tryhard

[balmy condor]

[rocky abyss]

its probably fine, idk why i have been "afraid" of it

[shrewd night]

Sennarth

[misty holly]

Is cowl any good if you don't have ring?

[shrewd night]

Good boss.

[balmy condor]

yep

[rocky abyss]

i can do you one better bro

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

fking hate playing rogue. every fight is boring

[eternal vortex]

wait cowl is worth it without the ring aswell?

[shrewd night]

Have u tried just killing it breh

[balmy condor]

yes

[eternal vortex]

damn shouldve simmed it before might craft it next week

[spice spire]

The 8:18 timer

[balmy condor]

yeah 8:18 on sennarth is wild

[spice spire]

Mfs have a built in slip and slide for practice

[balmy condor]

if we're all up

we kill in under 7 min

[shrewd night]

Thats a big if chief

We have people yoinked on the reg

[spice spire]

Wish I were getting yoinked rn

Tbh

[balmy condor]

[rocky abyss]

tank was basically solo last 50 ish

[shrewd night]

Imagine being a bear doing 60k

phat

[spice spire]

Meownar doesn’t have to imagine

[shrewd night]

Meownar is fat. Not that fat though.

[balmy condor]

our last minute was

fine

I guess

that pull I played DTB

and then realized I should've stuck with KB

cause we can get to p2 and then half the raid dies instantly

so

some execute probably good

[eternal vortex]

does simming assume i have the eranog ring or the cowl by itself a simple 1.2k dps increase?

[subtle tundra]

wat

it sims your gear

[spice spire]

Arcane

[balmy condor]

if you just gear compared the cowl then it's just the cowl

it doesn't magically make a ring out of thin air

[eternal vortex]

ye it was just weird to see 1.2k dps increase because of it

[balmy condor]

well

that looks like you didn't remove your dagger embellish

[drifting cloud]

the embelishment alone does like 600-700dps

[subtle tundra]

its an embellishment + probably a lot of ilvl

[balmy condor]

so you're simming 3 embellishments

[eternal vortex]

ah

[rocky abyss]

hang on so with KB rotation does puzzle box timing matter for when you vanish?

[balmy condor]

!box

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[rocky abyss]

thanks

but does the trinket shift the vanish timing to after DM or is it stil just that both are fine?

[balmy condor]

nah

you still vanish gar exsang dm

box before

[rocky abyss]

aight perfect thank you so much

So many fucking buttons

[grim jay]

You can aswell vanish gar DM exsang

I like doing that when im tired

I just die to a mechanic afterwards

[balmy condor]

no

no no

don't do taht

[rocky abyss]

xD

ye that sounds like a bait

[sharp zodiac]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grim jay]

On spider for example I just shadowstep and jump down if I did that

And blame bug

On hc tho, I dont waste peoples tries on M

[balmy condor]

[wild beacon]

Are there builds without ER that don't sacrifice too much dps?

[royal lantern]

well duh, spiders are bugs

[balmy condor]

what's the definition of "too much" and in what situation

[wild beacon]

Basically am I trolling in m+ if I don't take it

[balmy condor]

no

you just take cold blood instead

[wild beacon]

Perfect, tyvm

[exotic robin]

Hello guys, just reading datamines for 10.0.5. Are they removing bonus for nature damage from shiv?:o

[balmy condor]

no

[exotic robin]

Oh, kk

Was kinda worried

[balmy condor]

read pins

[exotic robin]

Gosh, sorry.

[balmy condor]

all good

datamining is weird

[grim jay]

What if they dont identify as bugs?

[burnt grotto]

Hey, I’m Learning assa spec for raid, and have 2P on my rogue. What about talents for raiding ; only Terros is full single target ; how do you perform AoE on Dathea / Eranog etc.?
You only garot each target living > 10 sec or you take another’s talents ?

[balmy condor]

you don't

[burnt grotto]

Teach me then 🫠

[balmy condor]

so you play assassination right

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

assa and aoe dont go well together

in raid ofc

[balmy condor]

playing assassination in raids

means you don't aoe

[burnt grotto]

My main spec is sub ; but I want to learn assa spec for Mythic raid

[subtle tundra]

then play sub LOL

[balmy condor]

sennarth spiders? you single target boss

[subtle tundra]

sub is top tier aswell

[burnt grotto]

Oh ok

[balmy condor]

eggnog?

maybe a bone spike on the big add

[oak sky]

tbh bleed build does somewhat ok add damage

[balmy condor]

otherwise boss

dathea? you don't go onto platforms, face is the place

[burnt grotto]

🫠

[flint tusk]

wish my RL saw that

[balmy condor]

my RL doesn't even let me do staff on diurna

[grim jay]

Make a screenshot

[flint tusk]

or rather wish my raid comp actually tried. being top platform deeps with boon trinket is pepega

[balmy condor]

"nah just hit boss"

[burnt grotto]

Maybe I switch spec on dathea / rasza

And try assa on others boss

[remote shoal]

u refresh pandemic on every exsang right?

[balmy condor]

you max pandemic every exsang yeah

[royal lantern]

that could also mean, that they dont trust your small DPS brain to do the mechanic

[grim jay]

They know he is simming stuff and answering on dc while raiding

[remote shoal]

I wish, me and 2 other people are the only people who know how and its too much of an effort to change now lol

[rocky abyss]

do we save 2 charges of shiv for kb?

[balmy condor]

yes

[rocky abyss]

so we just hold it for the 10sec?

that is kinda self explanatory nvm i guess

[dire lodge]

staff duty is the best part about brood

[grim jay]

I mean its not difficult. For us its mostly 2 bms and the tank doing it. 😁

Since bm is bm

[dire lodge]

3 minute exsang cd perfect time to step away from boss to crack some eggs

[brazen zodiac]

2 hour offensive lets goooo

[shrewd night]

We dont kill big spider if rogues dont add to it

[nocturne current]

[subtle tundra]

I do my bleeds on it maybe an envenom and I sprint ahead so I don't stack circles

[oak sky]

Insert joke about incredibly long sylvanas windrunner prog here

[flint tusk]

yeh i might throw a cheeky low CP rupture on it and spike it from range but that's the most i do on those spiders.

maybe i can change my RLs mind before we start mythic in fury xD

[balmy condor]

brother what did you think I did for the first 35 pulls

[oak sky]

In mythic you pretty much swap to it but dont use cds on it

[flint tusk]

i will say though i don't know how i got rank 2 as sin rogue for my ilvl bracket on mythic eggnog

[royal lantern]

i dont wanna joke about that, cus it was legit pain

[feral rivet]

i dont touch the first spider but after that i swap to help out a bit but dont really use anything on them

[grim jay]

Ilvl parses sucky sucky

[shrewd night]

You know what would be cool. If everyone swapped

[mental lintel]

Assa mains do you swap to sub/outlaw between bosses for trash or do you just stick to Assa and accept the low aoe.

[flint tusk]

i'll only swap to sub if i'm planning on using it next boss

last thing i want is going into a boss fight with the wrong spec

[feral rivet]

i swap for trash to not be useless

[mental lintel]

Can play Assa on Boss, swap on trash and then back to Assa on next boss?

[mental lintel]

yes

[subtle tundra]

Between bosses I go on the 2nd monitor

[teal bloom]

Go afk and spam 123 after they are at boss

[grim jay]

Relatable

[oak sky]

My raid loves padding so adds werent a huge issue

We hate defensives, positioning, and mobility

[pastel onyx]

if I want to just let myself get pulled by spider I can just shadow step back right

[shrewd night]

Ye

[oak sky]

Sometimes you end up in a bad spot though

[mental lintel]

Man of culture

[subtle tundra]

Nah you learn all the spots and how to handle them

There's 1 "bad"

But it doesn't matter cause there's no mechanics and you're still in range to hit

[mental lintel]

yeah shadowstep spider is pretty ez, just care when spider goes from platform to platform, then u cant step on stairs, but u can hide behind pillars so

[rocky abyss]

hmm sim opener is a bit different then logs

[hardy dagger]

It's for syncing vanish with dm

[rocky abyss]

also using bone spike before first rupture instead of er>rup>bone

[hardy dagger]

Not sure that matters a whole lot over a fight

[lament warren]

sim is not optimized for opener

[rocky abyss]

apart from trinket use it does seem like that is the opener people are running with

[lament warren]

i vanish before exsang dm dunno

[balmy condor]

I too enjoy casting deathmark and then 4 mutilates in a row before kingsbane

[royal lantern]

remember 10cp talent

[lament warren]

why does deathmark sometimes give me two combo points

[balmy condor]

cause you deathmarked with shrouded

[lament warren]

is it duplicating shrouded suffocation 😳

[balmy condor]

during the 3 second window

[hardy dagger]

He casted two mutilates

[lament warren]

i’m just too good

free combo points

[balmy condor]

so it's just shit, not dogshit

[lament warren]

puzzle vanish garr exsang dm muti gives you a full envenom for kb 😳

[cursive orchid]

how do i get your sims spreadsheet whispyr?

[lament warren]

secret hack

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cursive orchid]

forgot the command

[lament meadow]

I'm ditching outlaw and back to assassin if those ptr changes go through

[cursive orchid]

thank you!

[lament warren]

np

[lament meadow]

aoe shiv wowzers

[hardy dagger]

Sure just wanted to point out that offhand cast shows up aswell

[lament meadow]

s tier on raging

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just weird that capstone is mostly utility talent

[hardy dagger]

The bone spike before rupture is cp waste

[balmy condor]

I gotta get to the sim mines

[lament warren]

cp waste vs lethal dose

who wins

[lament meadow]

Yeah not sure how much of a damage increase it will be but looks fun

[royal lantern]

i mean

outside of aoe sooths in raging weeks, its just "shiv gives a bit more dmg"

[lament meadow]

I wanted to play sin in keys but outlaw just pumps way harder might change after ptr

[lament warren]

yeah just aoe bleed amp

just a little bit of damage

[cursive orchid]

it's like the tier for sl

[balmy condor]

sin pumps just as hard right now though

[lament warren]

hmm

[lament meadow]

Really? guess I'll give it a try if I get a second dagger. I played with a few sin rogues and they hit really high dps but at the end of the dungeon were lower in overal

[cursive orchid]

I wanted to play sin in keys but MOONKIN just pumps way harder might change after ptr

fixed

[hardy dagger]

Well I dunno I just do the faq opener

[lament warren]

no kick 👉

[hardy dagger]

Seemsgood

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean seli thinks so, he's top 10 rogues in the world rn

[lament warren]

only 10 rogue players

[balmy condor]

I don't see outlaw doing ridiculously more damage than me in like academy or whatever either

[lament warren]

🥸

[balmy condor]

like my record in academy right now is 109k in an 18

[lament meadow]

Thats good to hear always liked sin more

[balmy condor]

idk how much higher outlaw can go

[lament warren]

outlaw is grief in academy

specifically

[balmy condor]

outlaw might win in like

[lament meadow]

Outlaw is going to feel like poo after fan the hammer gets hit

[balmy condor]

a small pull

[lament warren]

academy is a sub dungeon

[lament meadow]

saw some videos ending at 6 cp so clunky

[balmy condor]

but then also the precision cut nerf

[cursive orchid]

your comp also matters when it comes to overall dps and the rout greatly inlfuenses it as well

[balmy condor]

so

[royal lantern]

not higher, outlaw is DEAD after the giga nerfs

[balmy condor]

idk

[lament warren]

not sure if it matters on forti

but you have to play sub on tyran

[balmy condor]

I mean

or play assa

[lament warren]

but not until like 23-24

[hardy dagger]

Well nothing beats sub in academy

[night delta]

Yeah I assume outlaw breaks away on dungeons with regular 4-5 packs and no 7-8 packs

[balmy condor]

nothing beats sub in academy

fixed that

sub is fucking cracked

[lament warren]

i’m not on the sub is goated train

[cursive orchid]

this

[hardy dagger]

Aye love sub in m+

[lament warren]

i only think it’s clear cut better in acad

[hardy dagger]

140k overall in academy

[hearty junco]

that is possible with outlaw aswell

[hardy dagger]

Boomie is up there aswell

[lament warren]

the problem isn’t overall damage

[hardy dagger]

But they don't take beam so

[lament warren]

it’s your tank not dying to tree

[visual hemlock]

a little out of topic question, how much assa benefits from windfury totem?

[hardy dagger]

Well your team has to help him aswell

Aoe stun

Slows

[lament warren]

you need the damage or your tank is dead

at a certain point outlaw is griefing

[royal lantern]

1 of the best specs

4something %

iirc

[hardy dagger]

Dunno the fuckin bird boss is harder imo

[lament warren]

orange circle hard i agree

[visual hemlock]

thanks

[lament warren]

unfortunately another boss where sub is better

[royal lantern]

hardest part in bird is praying that the fight does not bug out

[hardy dagger]

Orange circle under the wings

[junior aurora]

how is sub better on bird boss

better cd lineup?

[lament warren]

the fact that it has a damage amp and that players control the location of that damage amp means it’s not a great outlaw boss

[hardy dagger]

Remove bird bosses

[lament warren]

compared to sin or sub

outlaw has the flattest damage profile of the three

[junior aurora]

sin probably best on bird boss

[lament warren]

and capitalizes a lot less on firestorm

[junior aurora]

benefits from both firestorm and wind buff

[hardy dagger]

Eh dunno sin is good on birb

[junior aurora]

sub gets nothing from the wind buff

[royal lantern]

dont you love this expansion of "huge bosses with wings that take 80% of the arena and hide all aoe shit under them"?

raza says hi 🙂

[lament warren]

sub gets rupture damage

more rupture damage than sin

[hardy dagger]

Just don't stand under the wings

[junior aurora]

sub would get more rupture damage if those orbs just gave mastery lol

[grim jay]

Not the only flat thing for outlaws

[lament warren]

i’m not getting this one chief

no comprende

[junior aurora]

their tires

they hit a nail in the road

[grim jay]

Actually it wasnt that bad depending on camera angle so far