assassination

[ruby lotus]

DM -> Puzzle box -> exsang obviously

[thorny pond]

Box > Stealth > Shroud > Prepot

Rottation

[ruby lotus]

i use it right before exsang/DM but man do my fingers hate my brain

[round topaz]

the true secret technique

[thorny pond]

Why does my DM only last 11 seconds now?

[toxic burrow]

True. Hell, it still throws me off that there's two active shaman class discords, with one seeming barebones but with tons of traffic.

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Honestly people can press their buttons in whatever order and probably perform okay

[teal bloom]

I use puzzle box before entering raid instance because I'll forget it otherwise

[thorny pond]

Just run whetstone

it makes you wet

[ruby lotus]

if it ever dropped >_>

my trinkets be straight trash

stillll

[gusty mirage]

You can have mine milben

[thorny pond]

@me, I can trade. Have given away 7 of them so far

[ruby lotus]

im running raz 411

like its ew

but dont got anything better unfortuantely

[gusty mirage]

Don’t tell @spice spire

[thorny pond]

Yea well my puzzle box is 911 because I am a threat to myself and others with it

[gusty mirage]

I stayed in the terros soak because I was playing with my rubick’s cube

[toxic burrow]

Puzzle box is such a bullshit trinket. 2-3 seconds to cast that thing?

[brittle burrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ruby lotus]

i jsut tell my healers

[toxic burrow]

A real puzzle box should take you much longer to open.

[thorny pond]

Been there, done that

[ruby lotus]

im using boon or puzzle box 😛 keep me alive kt hanks

[teal bloom]

Puzzlebox makes you super saiyan

[gusty mirage]

Cast is hasted though

[ruby lotus]

TRUE

GIVE ME PI

[gusty mirage]

First cast should be like 1.8s with lust

[ruby lotus]

so i can puzzle box faster

[gusty mirage]

1.6 with PI

And lust

[ruby lotus]

be a rubiks cube master

[toxic burrow]

Doesn't change the fact that it should take you longer to solve that puzzle. I need more realism in my wow, damn it.

[vital reef]

Do you guys go FULL ST for Tyranical weeks? Or are there small changes you can make?

[teal bloom]

You never go full ST, use the DTB dungeon build from pins if you want to focus more on single target

from faq*

[vital reef]

Would you just be better off going Outlaw then?

[thorny pond]

outlaw is easy. Same build

big bussin damage

but this is #assassination play it if it makes you happy

[teal bloom]

[ruby lotus]

usually tanks do bigger AOE pulls tyranical week because trash is eazy so taking away AOE usually isnt the best idea, depending on your key level

[past bobcat]

Is there anyway to sim a sin loadout and a sub spec loadout at the same time?

[ruby lotus]

if youre doing a +10 not a big deal

you smash it anyways

as much as i love sin though

playing outlaw in keys is so freaking braindead easy

[tender kelp]

I go carnage + kingsbane with thistle tea, did not have an issue on 15's.

[ruby lotus]

Espacially if you have 4 pc^

[tender kelp]

Yeah good point

[ruby lotus]

it helps a lot in keys as bleed buiild

[tender kelp]

I mean the burst is good + you're super useful on adds with the aoe. However, I run only one shiv which is sometimes tricky

[ruby lotus]

^ iron wire OP

[tender kelp]

iron wire + carnage in CoS on that small imps is BiS

[cursive frost]

Is having puzzle and grieftorch clunky? Maybe just on open?

[ruby lotus]

yeye

just dont use it on the mobs casting domination in SMBG

you dont want that cast inturtupted

espacially on fortified or higher keys

[tender kelp]

Yeah done that mistake

[ruby lotus]

yea i learned the hard way also

[tender kelp]

Instant regret

[ruby lotus]

LOL

[tender kelp]

that's the best way tho!

[ruby lotus]

true, as long as you learn from the mistake xD

or you can go outlaw cast blade flurry and just sleep your way to 70k overall

[lament warren]

110k*

[ruby lotus]

big numbers fun but gameplay interaction is zzzz

true

[tender kelp]

Yeah not a fan of outlaw

Gonna keep playin assa as long as it deals a decent dmg as well 😄

[ruby lotus]

for sure

love that its relevant in keys, not the best obviously but who cares unless youre trying to go +20 and higher xD

pugs will still crucify you though

[tender kelp]

Yeah indeed, I'm runnin' keys around 15-18 so it's okay on those

[ruby lotus]

unless they know your value

[tender kelp]

Well they don't have an issue with me

[ruby lotus]

good shit

[tender kelp]

Usually they kick frost mages

[ruby lotus]

XD

[tender kelp]

And keep my smol assa rogue

[ruby lotus]

sadge

poor frost mages

[tender kelp]

Yeah

[thorny pond]

fuck em. mage is always fotm

[ruby lotus]

yea

but never frost

xD

arcane used to be the step child

now its king

[tender kelp]

Yeah but fire is also scaling up

with the gear etc

[ruby lotus]

blizz will never let there beloved fire mage be bad more then 1 content patch

and by bad i mean not the meta mage

[tender kelp]

indeed

[toxic burrow]

So as a fool that hasn't played Outlaw since the nightmares of Roll the Bones in Emerald Nightmare, is it really as brain dead for aoe as you guys say, or are folks just memeing?

[thorny pond]

Worst part of Outlul EN was the nerf

[ruby lotus]

thats what made me hate RTB

WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO ONLY USE CPS ON A ASS RNG ABILITY

xD

[thorn fjord]

Atleast it doesnt consume CP anymore

[ruby lotus]

true

[toxic burrow]

When they went from king of the world overnight to experiencing pain? I switched back to Sin and never looked back (excluding the Mage Tower challenge).

[ruby lotus]

gameplay of outlaw in legion

use all combo points til you get a good buff preferably 5 buff

[thorny pond]

6*

[tender kelp]

using all CP to gain a decent buff until the boss is dead

[ruby lotus]

yeye 6

[thorny pond]

6 bones on first reroll was 🆗

[ruby lotus]

its like damn

i just wana use dispatch

but sims so no go

[toxic burrow]

I spent an entire fight rerolling and got crapped on. It felt weird thinking that you're essentially just sitting at a slot machine and waiting for the big payout.

[thorny pond]

PB proc on like 5 straight casts was also perfecto though

[viscid spear]

[elfin forge]

Yo quick question. Are the spell IDs the same for normal bleeds and the duplicated garrote and rupture that Deathmark creates? Or do they have unique IDs for weak aura purposes.

[thorny pond]

My #1 Gul'dan parse lasted so long because I literally hit PB procs 85% of all my potential casts

That's big skill

[thorn fjord]

Being an RNG lord is big skill tbh

[thorny pond]

Yea, if you had two bis legos

big skill

[ruby lotus]

i played sin after EN i couldnt handle RTB

and kingsbane was BAE

[thorny pond]

Bring back sinister coc

more KBs

[ruby lotus]

i actually think i switched mid EN lol i was like they ruined combat

[tender kelp]

I think it's the same. It has that "while marked blaba" included

but prolly wait for someone more clever

[ruby lotus]

Im not sure if its accurate but looking at the simc IDs they are different

wait 1

thats double of same pic

[tender kelp]

yeah i'm thinkin where do you see different numbers

xD

[ruby lotus]

deathmark garrote ID is way different

but im a noob also so unsure if that means anything actually or if it can be used to track like you want

[tender kelp]

well that deathmark garrote ID is the same as on wowhead

[elfin forge]

@ruby lotus wow thanks, would you be able to grab Deathmark deadly poison and rupture IDs too plz?

[late gulch]

how are Assassin in keys compared to outlaw/sub damage wise 🙂 ?

[cerulean walrus]

Fine

[ruby lotus]

yeas ill dm you 1 sec

[tender kelp]

Decent if your tank won't chain pull the entire dungeon

[elfin forge]

@ruby lotus thanks heaps, no idea how to pull those out myself

[wintry dew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[toxic burrow]

And if he does, then liberal (but well-timed) usage of Vanish+Shadowmeld (NightElfSupremacy!) will help get more damage out.

[night perch]

Hello one quick question do i hold deathmark for 1 min or do i hold exsanguinate and puzzle box and blow deathmark on cd ?

[ruby lotus]

like i get outlaw still wants to stealth for like ambush and the haste buff they get but not stealthing as sin feels so much worse

This 100% depends on fight length

if the fight isnt going to last long enough to sync

ship the CDs

but never hold DM pretty sure

[night perch]

For myth therros i feel like thats like 6:30 i sync them? Atleast thats what i saw on logs

[ruby lotus]

iif youre holding one its exsang to pair with DM

[night perch]

Okay thanks 🙂

[slim hamlet]

no

cant tell me what to do

[vestal wren]

assassination rogues trapped in academy spam prison

[gusty mirage]

[ruby lotus]

its trickey if the fight lasts that length. Because Exsang will lost a cast if you hold it for the 4 min Deathmark

just cast and let them naturally sync at 6m

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage when should we use puzzlebox 🤣

[slim hamlet]

Have only done 2 academies and still have 418 puzzle box

Skill issue on everyone elses part

[gusty mirage]

after I come over to tell you that I'm your new step father

[thorn fjord]

Dad?

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-feel-colossus-gif-9749538

[thorn fjord]

Ive gotten Puzzlebox for like 3 of my guildies already... its like the only thing that drops for me out of that god forsaken place

[vestal wren]

i think you shouldn't have sayed that

[ruby lotus]

can i be your guildie

for a run

xD

[hardy dagger]

Still rocking a 392 pbox

[ruby lotus]

i have a 372

and it still sims higher then some trinkets at 398

xD

[hardy dagger]

Gonna spam some 20 academys before raid on sunday

[tender kelp]

was just watching naowh doing 22 academy and that bird does not look like a fun boss

so gl on your 20's 😄

[thorny pond]

bird is new worst boss

also some kids can play knockoff Quiddach,

[grim jay]

cev said just hold exs and box for dm

[spice spire]

I’m actually just the keeper

[slim hamlet]

how come 🙂

[ruby lotus]

i mean i agree but i dont think it could make sense if you can get an extra cast out of exsang

im sure hes right

but even if the dps sucks its still one more use

in the sense of dps scuking cause its not being used with DM

[slim hamlet]

yeah u dont hold if u miss a cast

ofc

[ruby lotus]

it jsut depends on fight length

if its under 6 mins line up exsang and DM at the DM 4min mark

unless it wont last 4 mins then ship exsang on CD

[lucid birch]

Me next

[ruby lotus]

then 6 minute fights would introduce new rules in terms of cast amounts

[subtle relic]

Guys after the opener when you're in the maintenance phase, when should i be using shiv

[rigid rain]

How do i use echo? Always finisher if im ahead of the empowered combopoint or always when im exactly there?

[chilly viper]

is it "bad" to use rupture with ER charges ? (out of exsanguinate)

[silk lotus]

Just play like normal and if you land on one press button

[spice spire]

No

[ruby lotus]

i like to think of this as situation dependent, if im gonna be away from the boss for awhile like on dathea ill use an empowered rupture

[spice spire]

Which build

[ruby lotus]

but yea i still use them

the more time on them to spam more envenoms inbetween is poggers

[chilly viper]

Right right

[toxic burrow]

Speaking of, do you have a special setup for Dathea when you're being sent to the platforms, or do you just roll with the standard build?

My guild's DPS is lacking so now I'm being sent up on platform duty too. @_@

[chilly viper]

but on a standing fight like terros, mathematically I wonder if it's a dps loss

to use a charge for rupture instead of evenoms

or in the end it doesn't really matter

[ruby lotus]

its pry ever so slight

[hardy dagger]

Switch spec

[toxic burrow]

Sin or bust! :<

[hardy dagger]

[lament warren]

enjoy misery

[toxic burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/misery-ankle-gif-20772459

[ruby lotus]

well, if the dps is whqat you need you could run IC and KB and it would silence and group the adds and make it easier, it would also let you CT spam and its good DPS. but if you can get away with the warrior using dirupting shout then you dont need it. I went straight bleed DTB build but i have Boon and used it on my add phase. Its a cheat code xD

just make sure to have double shadowstep

and cloak if you use boon up there

also the KB and IC build requires you not to vanish if you wana utilize the stealth if you go up on first set of adds

but most people pry take poison bomb

cause its better

but if you need the dps and grouping then utility dont hurt and i ran it once and it does a ton of dmg with bloody mess and 4 pc and the multiple executes

but just get boon cast it and by the end most of the mobs are dead just dont die with them from the circles on the ground 😛

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-cat-oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-cat-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-26202548

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-eggcat-gif-25127046

[ruby lotus]

why is your cat so fuzzy

[lament warren]

can’t just ask that

[ruby lotus]

not the actual cat but the gif of the cat xD

the cat is super floof

[tender kelp]

[silver quiver]

I was just looking at a top terros log on mythic and no ensang or KB. That's kind of kinky.

[subtle relic]

@spice spire the DT build

[spice spire]

On cd

[chilly viper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fading wigeon]

Are we holding exang for DM throughout the whole fight?

[ruby lotus]

it depends on fight length

[spice spire]

Gotta use your noggin for that one.

[lucid birch]

[spice spire]

Fight length matters

[ruby lotus]

if you can sync without losing a use do it

but never hold DM for exsang

[fading wigeon]

Ah ok

[ruby lotus]

hold exsang for DM

[fading wigeon]

Thank you

[cinder thicket]

when do i use the mastery trinket where i need to solve a puzzle ? in the opener ?

[ruby lotus]

maybe i shouldnt say never thats a pretty concrete word

[spice spire]

Pins

[spice spire]

It’s almost certainly right

[cinder thicket]

😛 thx

[ruby lotus]

yea it def seems right holding DM is big nono

[fading wigeon]

The #assassination-faq also has rotation images that tell you when to specifically use it as well

[ruby lotus]

and do your best to always sync vanish and DM

both 2 minute CDs

vanish garrote -> DM

[spice spire]

Only time you’d hold dm is like a weird 3:45 timer iirc

[cinder thicket]

so i can just make a castsequence macro for the opener and im fine ? ^^

[ruby lotus]

i feel that opener can be random with CP generation so it may not be the most optimal

if you cast sequence

if youre playing exsang anyway

because you want max pandemic on garrote and rupture going into exsang

[cinder thicket]

well too many friendly answers for trolling 😦

[ruby lotus]

xD

[cinder thicket]

but thanks ^^

[ruby lotus]

best thing you can do is realistically goto target dummys and practice, sins opener is definetly a little more intense then some other specs

[cinder thicket]

anyone remember good old Perilos from the rogue forums back in the day 😛

his answers were...

special ^^

[real birch]

i need a macro that lets me have mutilate and ambush on the same button for when i get ambush procs i can use it instead of having to click another button

[spice spire]

Nah you just need to bind ambush full time

[ruby lotus]

Its not optimal to do this

[spice spire]

You hate to see it

[real birch]

ok

[chilly viper]

are you guys using corrupting rage phials?

[ruby lotus]

vers

unless your a toxic alch which can negate the negtive effect it may have more merrit then

but in progression espacially

the downside outweighs the upside on it

if youre doing farm stuff then its pry cool to take

[low pollen]

So do you always Shiv before Enevenom?

[bleak sky]

Ankh and reset my torch whore

[lucid birch]

Cope

[toxic burrow]

Going to keep this in mind. Thanks! Going to have to scroll this this later since I now have to handle other people's kids again. @_@

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ, you’re resetting your own torch

[ruby lotus]

If the reason adds aren’t dying is because they aren’t grouping thjs can fix it. However it would be an overall dps loss. Your tanks should be able to group every tank class has an aoe silence and taunt pretty sure or mass grip as dk

[low pollen]

Normal rotation, is it always Shiv before Enevenom?

[ruby lotus]

Just shiv on cD if you’re not playing kb pretty sure

If you were to say shiv into er into envenom spam but holding shiv for this pry not worth it unless they line up then it’s pry nice

[low pollen]

Ok ty

[toxic burrow]

Do they have to spec into it? I know our DK has grsbby arms, but I don't know if the prot warrior has disruptive shout. We've been asked multiple times to interrupt adds to help group them but. But if that's the case, I'll ask him. Thanks!

[ruby lotus]

Prot warrior@should be dropping rage from bleeds talent for disrupting

You are not rage starved on that fight

Once you kick the little mobs on the platform

Unless@they get taunted

They stand still until they can cast again

[thorn crater]

hm

do DHs use flaming cowl?

just had one ask me to craft it

[ruby lotus]

I mean I think it’s fine. They aren’t using it for the activation as much for the aoe dps because it actually sims ok standalone for some classes

[toxic burrow]

Thanks! This should help speed up that group on the platform with him. ❤️ I knew the Rogue discord was the superior one.

[old jewel]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[undone eagle]

with 4set, in m+ should i CT the ST bosses aswell?

for the extra dmg bleed

[slim hamlet]

Anyone knows if the dmg buff of storm trinket is im raidbots yet?

[ruby lotus]

You can it’s not gamebreaking one way or the other pretty sure

[undone eagle]

i usually CT when i get echoing reprimand dot

[ruby lotus]

It’s not bad pretty sure so unless someone corrects me just keep doing it if it feels good

If that’s what you used to and it’s not keeping your dps down then just whatever feels natural go with the flow

[royal lantern]

its really minor better

the rule is like "eh, you can do it, or not, wont make a real difference tbh"

i do CT when i know a short downtime is comming and stuff like that

[undone eagle]

oki ty

[chilly viper]

Is this fine? KB w/ exs

double garrote in vanish windows

[ruby lotus]

as long as its within 3 secs

improved garrotes bonus damage exists for 3 secs after leaving stealth

so as long as you cast it within that window you are not overwriting an empowered with a non empowred

if that makes sense

[strange python]

Is the sin single target raid rotation easier than subtlety?

[ruby lotus]

depends on the build pry

[strange python]

or should I say less susceptible to mistakes that will basically fuck you the entire fight?

looking for an easier single target rotation

[royal lantern]

eh, sub is really static rotiation rn

[ruby lotus]

oh

you can do that real easy as sin

exsanging DM for instance xD

[strange python]

right now the issue I'm finding is melee uptime in general on Vault

it's straight horrid on some bosses

was hoping Sin might be easier to maintain, stronger bleeds while away from the target, etc

[orchid wind]

!log

[ruby lotus]

any fights in particular you finding difficult? like if youre away from the boss you pry doing add stuff which sub would theroretically be good at?

[trim dirge]

uptime should be pretty good actually

and very important for sin with dtb

[ruby lotus]

because yea i dont feel like time away from boss is terrible

[royal lantern]

uhm, lets talk about sub rupture

[modern dust]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tulip dawn]

!log

[mystic robin]

Is assa easier to play in raid than outlaw?

[narrow pelican]

!log

[spice spire]

Depends on who you ask.
In reality I think it’s up to the person to decide if it’s easier or not

[thorny pond]

Depends on what your raid needs as well

Outlaw has a ton of incidental cleave and easy AoE opportunities without sacrificing much ST damage. So like if spiders on Sen aren't dying, Kurog adds, etc all get handled with BF

[lucid kernel]

When do people recommend using the puzzle box on DTB opener?

before or after DM

[ruby lotus]

unsure if trolling

[visual prairie]

heehee

[ruby lotus]

[spice spire]

[ruby lotus]

xD

[lucid kernel]

sorry my bad i didnt think to check

[orchid wind]

hey guys, new to sin here. is it worth to take Shrouded Talent, and drop one Zoldyck Recipe Point ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060622121191088168/1060624665376194620/image.png

[teal bloom]

You should sim

[spice spire]

If you need the extra cleave, possibly? But it’s mathematically worse

[orchid wind]

what if full st ?

[spice spire]

But it’s mathematically worse

[thorn crater]

Weapon and cowl upcrafted to 418 lariat left

[ruby lotus]

[thorn crater]

Now to get a non dogshit trinket

I’m scared of spending my valor to upgrade melandrus :p wanna hold it to@upgrade a trinket I get

But it’s a measly 392

Valor fomo is real

[hollow river]

[gloomy scroll]

It's true. Still holding on to most of my valor and I hate it.

[orchid wind]

spend 3k on whetstone

[visual prairie]

i just send it. i'd rather just upgrade stuff now. if that thing i'm holding it for comes and oh no, it's 3 item levels lower than it could have been for a while... eh whatever

[dusty sable]

do we play deadly amph when 4 set right ?

[ruby lotus]

if youre speced into DTB you would always use those two poisons.

If not DTB then
Specced into Amp then use AMP
not specced into Amp then use deadly

[cursive frost]

For me the standard dtb build is out simming the bleed dtb builds even with 4pc, I feel paranoid I am simming something wrong

[real oriole]

I just spent my valor on puzzlebox and CoS ring lol....idk if I should of kept saving LMAO

[turbid heath]

hmm

Anyone got old AoE spec for raids?

[shell crag]

Hi all, how are you doing ? I'm new to assa, not really sure what poisons I should run on Terros mythic ? I talented amplifying, should i go for this one + deadly ?
I'm using the DTB build

[ruby lotus]

literally 4 posts up

[shell crag]

gosh

[ruby lotus]

always use amp and deadly for DTB

[shell crag]

I'm dumb, mb, thanks ❤️

[ruby lotus]

np

[real oriole]

Im playing DTB in raz, are you guys spec more into aoe for the adds like picking up TP and CT?

[ruby lotus]

not necessry

[cursive frost]

I personally run dtb on raz for pure ST burn and execute at end

[ruby lotus]

is your group struggling with the adds?

because if not then you shouldnt spec into more AoE

and is it add damage for them not dying fast enough or is it just not doing mechanics during add phase like dodging raz breath

but if you guys are super lacking the aoe dps

you can grab it, but it will hurt your overall

more then likely

[chilly viper]

!whyspir

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[chilly viper]

lmao

[dark token]

troll

kingbsane is >>>>> on raz

more execute, and kingsbane lines up with every shield

other bosses the builds are the same but raz specifically you need to go kb

its giga

[ruby lotus]

yea

kb was my higghest dmg xD im guessing the shiled super buffed that dmg

the breakdown was crazy

[royal lantern]

i play DtB on all fights cus its only 100dps behind

except raz

cus its way to good for her

[cursive frost]

I haven’t tried it on her, will def give it a shot this weekend

Makes enough sense though

[turbid heath]

anyone got AoE spec for grimtotem?

[dark token]

yeah outlaw

if you play sin, bleed dtb with crimson tempest prob

basically on kurog you play outlaw if ur group struggles with intermissions, and sin if ur struggling on boss dam

[cursive frost]

Look at Warcraft logs, it’s a nice spread of dtb vs KB on raz

[royal lantern]

wowlogs doesnt always means people do the smartest stuff

[dark token]

go look at mythic razageth kills

every single assa rogue is KB

if they dont play KB they play sub

[spice spire]

And why is that

Shield damage priority innit

Further into tier the less it’ll be needed. But that niche will always be good for raz

[cursive frost]

I only see 2 rogue parses on raz period

1 sub 1 assa

[dark token]

go look at raider io comps and talents

[brazen zodiac]

quake

[lofty junco]

what war mode talents for elveling?

[thorny pond]

whatever tickles your fancy. Nothing is going to expedite the process

[agile gull]

boys. if i renew garote at the end of deathmark again, is it doubled again?

[thorny pond]

no

[swift dagger]

yeah but only for the remaining duration of Deathmark

[thorny pond]

IF DM is up, double. ElseIF: Single

[agile gull]

danm

[swift dagger]

u should never be in that situation tho if u dont mess up

[lofty junco]

btw how is assa currently in raid and m+, compared to the other 2 and other classes?

[brazen zodiac]

we pwn

[obsidian beacon]

good in raid, meme in m+

well not meme. but sub + outlaw have an easier time doing the big dams

[brazen zodiac]

i dont think sins a meme in m+ lol

[obsidian beacon]

but if you're better at ass than the other specs, then play ass

[lofty junco]

played assa since cata, and don't like outlaw/sub since they changed both with legion

[strange python]

Generally worse than the other two but still strong. Sin got nerfed too hard after week 1 because dumb casuals on Reddit get mad whenever rogues are good, and blizzard catered to them.

[obsidian beacon]

you're gonna have to deal with some stigma // metaslaves but ass does fine

at least we're not arms warrior

[lofty junco]

i play shadow as well. am used to it that ppl don't like us

[cerulean walrus]

I’ve outdpsed plenty of Sub and Outlaw rogues in keys

[obsidian beacon]

ye maybe fotm rogues who are playing sub or outlaw bc they're meta

[cerulean walrus]

There’s just more maintenance as a sin rogue and it relies heavily on your tank not being a dick

[obsidian beacon]

ye if your tank doesnt pull big enough to take adv of IC then rip

[lofty junco]

red>yellow>"blue"

[strange python]

Sub and outlaw bring a lot of value for the current frustrating parts of keys though

Like vanishing Fenrir leap with two charges or having cdr on it

Sin can only vanish it once

I've vanished four as outlaw on it

[lofty junco]

just kill before 2nd leap

[strange python]

Lol

[obsidian beacon]

ya the other specs are better on paper but if you like ass, you're not omega gimping yourself by playing ass

[strange python]

I love sin. It's the most interesting spec of the three. But you're kidding yourself to not acknowledge that sub and outlaw are stronger in almost all content right now

[obsidian beacon]

just dont play like ass

[strange python]

But yes, sin is still a good spec.

[lofty junco]

jsut got told by guild rogue mate that outlaw is much better for raid

[cerulean walrus]

Cringe

[obsidian beacon]

depends on the fight tbh

[cerulean walrus]

They can shove their dice right up their ass

[thorny pond]

that's hawt

[obsidian beacon]

outlaw is probably better on council only... maybe sennarth

sub/ass > outlaw elsewhere

🍿

[lofty junco]

i still ahve reroll nightmares from legion. 90% of bossfigth trying to reroll for more then 2 buffs

[thorny pond]

If you have a lot of ST focused raiders, Outlaw can be good. Low barrier to take cleave, and cleave is extra one button

[deft vault]

pretty sure outlaw is better on grimtotem

[ruby lotus]

yea RTB was ass when it needed CP

but it doesnt anymore

[obsidian beacon]

oh yeah grimtotem too. that makes sense

[lofty junco]

i see red colour with outlaw icon

[ruby lotus]

yea io playing both specs

crazy

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/blasphemy-lies-gif-21274018

mutilate him^^

[ruby lotus]

has my heart

but outlaw is just ez

so when im high

keys jusat ez

blade flurry

[strange python]

Overall it is performing better atm. But that's a lot of pad damage on many fights that isn't necessary or useful.

[thorny pond]

slam it and clam it

[winter gale]

Sophic Devotion on both weapons?

[ruby lotus]

yes

[thorny pond]

price permitting

[winter gale]

Ty

[ruby lotus]

^

[winter gale]

Yeah, I put r3 on embellished dagger and will put r2 on 2nd

[cursive frost]

Outlaw looks better on logs because of padding

[strange python]

Council, sennarth, kurog, dathea, diurna (depending on your job) and arguably some parts of rasz.

[cursive frost]

Depending on raid comp, it may benefit raid more to be assa on all fights except council

[obsidian beacon]

dathea also makes sense. i'd still pick sub over otulaw for broodkeeper

but ya what dhaddy said. in raid, you're probably covering cleave + aoe with other classes anyway so might as well bring ass and pump on ST

ass pumps

[north granite]

you dont play KB on raz for shield damage, you play it for better 65-0 phase and double step

its just better ^_^

[balmy condor]

Yeah, and the shield damage

[ruby lotus]

shield dmg no joke with KB

[balmy condor]

You get double step anyways playing a bleed dtb

[lofty junco]

shjit dunno where to put ambush

[obsidian beacon]

looks like 8

[ruby lotus]

xD

[limber lion]

Mythic Broodkeeper deadge, literally 0 loot that I can roll on :'( where's da grieftorcherinos

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch

[limber lion]

literally killed Eranog 4 times and Broodkeeper 3 times this week and not a single ring or grieftorch..................

[burnt latch]

welcome to p1 prog

[limber lion]

🌬️ 🌬️ 🌬️

⚡ ⚡ ⚡

[burnt latch]

i suggest to get a good netflix show to wathc on the side

[limber lion]

any recommendations?

[burnt latch]

stranger things is pretty solid

currently watching the city game tho

[nocturne current]

You can pray to my great vault god.

[burnt latch]

boss is unbeliveably easy

as a rogue

so u need to keep enternained while 18 other people learn the fight

[ebon notch]

@limber lion we set up youtube watch2gether?

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

sure

[burnt latch]

this is my dmg breakdown from today

[limber lion]

what do you use for sparks

[burnt latch]

tells u everything u need to know

[ebon notch]

im swapping to tauren

next reset

[burnt latch]

me personally?

[limber lion]

Ya

[burnt latch]

kick blind and kidney

i just do back up

if sth looks like its going through

[spice spire]

Brother that grieftorch damage

[limber lion]

disgusting

yeh

good good

[burnt latch]

yup tells u all about how this fight is to prog as a rogue

[oak sky]

I love how its called GRIEFtorch

[burnt latch]

169 casts in 62 pulls

[spice spire]

[woven bane]

!log

[winter gale]

Now only CoS one

[agile geode]

cev do you sinch ex with deathmark? or just use exanguinate on cd?

[nocturne current]

@limber lion I have consulted with the oracle, it said you will get a torch on vault.

[dreamy elk]

Does the poison or bleed DTB builds perform better in cleave?

[limber lion]

Thank you for the consultation, can't wait

[limber lion]

Bleed does better.

[dreamy elk]

Neato.

[agile geode]

Do we exanguinate on cd or synch with deathmark?

im confused, quicksim says to do not synch

but i see good parser wich it does

[limber lion]

You likely want to sync it, we're working on the exsang apl a bit, it's a bit messy currently

[balmy condor]

It ain’t that messy

[buoyant venture]

Is it ok to keep puzzle for execute phase + deathmark? i'm doing sennarth and on last phase puzzle is on cd

[balmy condor]

It just doesn’t bother holding the last cast

[limber lion]

super messy

[buoyant venture]

i get pot back, deathmark etc

[limber lion]

you change one thing, everything breaks

ER logic breaks

Envenom logic breaks

everything breaks

[balmy condor]

Well yeah

Because it’s all connected

[limber lion]

Can't even force sync because everything breaks

[balmy condor]

But idk if you can consider not holding last cast a huge disaster

[limber lion]

Oh you mean the only reason Exsanguinate was even considered in our builds and became super op and was nerfed from 45 seconds 100% to 3 minutes 80%?

remember that we didn't even take Exsang before Deathmark was changed

It's 100% worth to sync it, Deathmark is the literal reason Exsang is any good

[balmy condor]

Not really

But okay

[limber lion]

Oh okay

[balmy condor]

It’s definitely one of the reasons

[limber lion]

TTB was literally simming better than 100% 45s Exsang pre-dm change

[balmy condor]

No it wasn’t

Bleeds got buffed, bloody mess got buffed

And exsang was nuts

I’m not saying Deathmark change didn’t affect it

[agile geode]

so we would like to synch

is too damn complex :V

[balmy condor]

But it wasn’t some random change that made it 10x the value

Exsang was always kinda good, as long as it could give you enough extra ticks

Er sync helped that

Bleed buffs helped that

It not competing with alacrity helped that

[buoyant venture]

anyone?

[raw raft]

you should get 3 uses no?

[woeful meteor]

I did it like that and got a green log today 😎

send on pull at 3 and at 6

it should be better but idk how much of a diffrence it is to using puzzle at 4

[buoyant venture]

i mean, i send it on cd, pull and 3

last one is desynced with deathmark, should i wait for it to come back and do deathmark vanish etc ?

[thorny pond]

top logs use at pull/3/6

[buoyant venture]

so i guess they wait for vanish dm to come back

and send all on execute

[dreamy elk]

@thorny pond Clarify? This is for puzzle box? So just on cooldown?

[thorny pond]

I just pulled 4 random sen logs with Box

they all used 0/3/6

[limber lion]

Oh, maybe I'm remembering the timeline wrong then. Because I remember Exsang being good, then it being bad, then it being good again with Deathmark and we were speculating whether the change would make Exsang giga nuts or not and we weren't sure

[cedar forge]

!whispyr

[craggy nimbus]

I just got my first thingie that lets me craft a item between 395 and 405 but why won't the crafters area let me decide what quality on the item I want?
Just within the guild >_>

[paper pawn]

the well fed embellishment, does that not count as one of the two allowed? someone told me it doesnt add the unique property

[thorny pond]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[craggy nimbus]

How do you mean?

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t provide combat power so it doesn’t count towards the cap

[paper pawn]

cool, need to recraft and get that shit then

[teal bloom]

I need that for M+ when I inevitably die 10 times and don't have enough time to eat

[paper pawn]

I thougth neck + dagger embellish would be overwritten by wellfed embellish, apperantly not

[subtle tundra]

yea it probably does go hard in m+

[craggy nimbus]

Ah alright

[lucid birch]

[dreamy elk]

Been putting more reps on training dummy. Need some help with priority system stuff at certain time points:

The DTB bleed exsan opener (i.e. KB opener with no KB) is fine. Also, I have puzzle box so I use that right after ER.

1. At 2 and 4 minute marks, vanish + deathmark come back up. I'm assuming I just vanish - garrote - deathmark since that was the same order of those abilities in opener?

2. At 3 minute mark, puzzle box + exsan + ER come up. Is the order ER - puzzle box - rupture - exsan? And do you typically garrote refresh before the exsan no matter what, and if so when?

3. At 6 minute mark, I'm getting very stumped on how to prioritize. Exsan + puzzle box + deathmark + vanish + ER all come up. How do I prioritize this mid-combat?

[balmy condor]

1. Yeh that’s fine
2. You always max refresh garrote before exsang, Just fit it in whenever
3. Isn’t it just the opener again? Er -> puzzle -> rup -> vanish gar -> exsang -> dm

[dense crow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dim geode]

Anybody advice on DTB build for Razageth? I only have 1 point in execute which I feel is sub optimal for this fight with such a long execute phase.

no exsang plz as I'm bad

[dreamy elk]

@balmy condor Thanks chief. Thanks for point 2, and...yeah you're right. Think I just got thrown off because I was looking at other random stuff from the initial opener (sbs namely). I'll just get more solid with the "all cooldowns up" opener without having to look at a printout, lol.

[balmy condor]

play KB without exsang

[dim geode]

Cheers my dude

[sick aspen]

!log

[surreal spear]

Anyone here have some decent logs i can study and become better at on sin? :>

[signal vortex]

So im slightly confused. Our only things to craft are just, Lariat and weapons?

[balmy condor]

and cowl

[surreal spear]

Are sin diff than sub? In crafting?

Thought it was cowl/lariat bis

With the rings ofc

[signal vortex]

But your guide says different 😛

[balmy condor]

okay

and I'm here telling you

[signal vortex]

Totally joking - But no I get it

[weak horizon]

idk how to properly sim it because i'd be simming a future where i get another tier piece instead of my tier hat, so sorry for askign the question. but 418 cowl or 418 lariat?

[balmy condor]

both

[weak horizon]

sorry if i had to pick one first

which would it be

[balmy condor]

lariat

[weak horizon]

kk ty

[peak basin]

Should I be asking my tank to let me restealth between pulls, or is that on me and my use of vanish? Pulls can sometimes be from boss to boss this week it feels.

[slim hamlet]

it is

[peak basin]

Or I guess, is anyone else facing this issue and how do you fix it?

[slim hamlet]

Tanks should let you restealth, but isnt as big of a dps loss as you might think

Prob mostly for iron wire

[loud brook]

is it ok to stack 2 of the same gem on my lariat?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a9Tv369xcQkP9j4RbG6812

ran this sim for a reference for my gems and am sanity checking with ya'll

[slim hamlet]

ofc it's ok

[loud brook]

alright, thanks.

[balmy condor]

that's actually what you're supposed to do

[slim hamlet]

Although I am highly confused about your belt embellish

[signal vortex]

So flaring Cowl and Lariat? Thanks gents

[loud brook]

that's a temporary stopgap from my messy crafting investments

[slim hamlet]

Fair

Did some bad investment too

[loud brook]

for sure. I've been hearing tons of different things from my friends about the lariat so im being extra cautious this time

[ruby lotus]

how are you rocking 359 shoulderes with two crafted 405 pieces xD

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue obviously

[ruby lotus]

like mythic plus just hates you

i guess

[balmy condor]

yea

[misty furnace]

is ass difficult to master atm

[balmy condor]

not really

[loud brook]

life is pain!

[lofty junco]

i ahve a problem. my kick macro doesn't work anymore

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [stance:1]Cheap shot
/cast [stance:2]Kick

[ruby lotus]

[lofty junco]

did work on outlaw though

[bold hearth]

what's pandemic window for rupture with 5 cp?

[balmy condor]

30% of the duration

so

whatever 30% of 24 is

[bold hearth]

30%, tyty. I'll bust the math out, here we go

[balmy condor]

7.2?

[bold hearth]

you the bess

[balmy condor]

4cp is 6

that makes 5 7.2

and 6 8.4

and er cp would be 9.6

all good things come in 1.2's

or something

[lofty junco]

so how do i need to change the macro that it uses kick unstealth and cheap shot in stealth?

[balmy condor]

/cast [stance:1] cheap shot; kick

[silk bane]

thats why my gf loves me. 1.2 inch gang

[balmy condor]

[lofty junco]

ty

damn I'm not used to not seeing poison as #1 dmg

[balmy condor]

neither am I wtf are you doing that makes poison #1

[midnight atlas]

disable the details merge of abilities

[balmy condor]

that shouldn't be happening

even with the merge

that shouldn't be happening

[midnight atlas]

it merges 5 types of deadly poison and its no1

happened to me

[lofty junco]

well its a bit since i last played my rogue. and i still remember then poison usualy was very high in the dmg

when was last time we could have 120%+ mastery?

[midnight atlas]

this is with details merged after hc raszageth

[balmy condor]

legion

been about 7 years

since we could have that much mastery

[balmy condor]

cursed

[midnight atlas]

this is not merged. so dont merge. its trap

[silk bane]

so now that pretty much everything can proc the Raz trinket and its ICD has been reduced to 0.1, isnt that trinket just pretty much giga bis for sin since we have so many things doing little damage at the same time?

[midnight atlas]

way easier to see dmg without that feature

[drifting cloud]

no because its getting hotfixed today

[balmy condor]

also not how that works

[silk bane]

we dont pretty much proc it on cd?

not sure how its supposed to work

[loud brook]

I miss haste corrupted sin rogue

[midnight atlas]

haste is boring

but i dont know if you mean some corruptions stuff, havent played bfa

[silk bane]

which part of it is getting hotfixed you mean btw? the kick and minimap tracking toggle procing it or generally the ICD

[drifting cloud]

unclear I just know its not intended behaviour and you should expect it to change today

[silk bane]

yeah the unintended interactions are giga cursed imagine macroing kick or random ui toggles to every ability. jesus fuck LMFAO

[drifting cloud]

yeah I saw some weakauras floating around already and trinket doing close to 10k dps on target dummy

[balmy condor]

you still have to cast

it's not damage instances

it's casts

[silk bane]

interesting, I read that Main Gauche can proc it, Just assumed would be similar behaviour with poisons/bleeds

[lofty junco]

funny that a assa did clear raz myth but not outlaw

red superior

[quaint dragon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[obtuse fractal]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[midnight atlas]

outlaw thinks they do more dmg during add phases in rasz, until we hit execute phase

[glass junco]

how does our execute compete with other execute classes?

[drifting cloud]

one of the best

[midnight atlas]

yep. if you play it well its one of the best

the execute is the thing i like the most about this spec this patch

[teal bloom]

Had no idea these didn't count towards the embellishment limit, very nice quality of life thing

[rare jackal]

yeah i forgot to put this on my belt zz

[bold hearth]

is using rupture with ER procs a dps gain? Even during deathmark? Should I be refreshing a full cp or -1 cp rupture with deathmark up regardles if i'm near pandemic timer?

[teal bloom]

Deathmark works dynamically, you don't need to refresh bleeds after you use it

[bold hearth]

but definitely vanish garrote inside a deathmark every time

[agile gull]

another question boys. How does Exsanguinate effect renewed bleeds

[balmy condor]

if you exsang -> garrote

you lose the entire exsang effect

[balmy condor]

sure, you can also vanish beforehand, it's not that big of a deal

[balmy condor]

no, it's not a dps gain, use your ER combo points on whatever finisher

[bold hearth]

hell yeah ty

rogue discord best discord god damn

[brazen zodiac]

tru

[balmy condor]

put another 100k on the fridge

[teal bloom]

outlaw in shambles

[balmy condor]

outlaw in the dirt this time though

gotta flex on the pirates

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

[leaden meadow]

Flaring cowl + seal of Diurn's chosen, good combo or not worth it vs better stats?

[balmy condor]

bis combo

[agile gull]

Why? is it not 50% for the entire garote duration?

[balmy condor]

what? of course it is

the question was whether he should vanish inside of dm, or before

[leaden meadow]

I was using the combo on Razageth and it only did 900k between the 2

[balmy condor]

not whether he should vanish at all

[agile gull]

aaah that makes sense

[balmy condor]

that sounds like a lot considering flaring cowl did 1 mil in a 27 minute dungeon

900k on the combo is like

really high

[vapid sierra]

so where do i find a indepth comprehensive guide that teaches a complete noob how to play assassination without skipping over steps and shit?

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[agile gull]

So a good opener with ouzzlebox is: box-stealth-dm-garote(within 3s)-EP-Rupture?

[peak basin]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856136418170896404

[leaden meadow]

the cowl only did 300 for me though and the fight lasted 11 minutes, is that really alot? o.O Idk, sorry if this sounds stupid lmao

[balmy condor]

faq, wowhead

[drifting cloud]

????????????????????????????????????????? bro what

[vapid sierra]

also does kingsbane or dtb sim higher

for st

[balmy condor]

neither

both

[vapid sierra]

ouf

[balmy condor]

they're within like 0.1%

sometimes you get gear, ones better

[vapid sierra]

nothing rotational different? you just click a button on cd?

[balmy condor]

you hold shiv for kb

otherwise yeah pretty much

[vapid sierra]

kk ty

[balmy condor]

idk maybe that's a little low

how much % of your damage did the cowl and ring do

it's hard to judge just based off raw damage numbers

[agile gull]

What would you change? XD

[drifting cloud]

please read the faq

[balmy condor]

everything, read a guide

[leaden meadow]

1.11% for the cowl, 2.11% for the ring, so 3.22% total for them combined

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's huge

[leaden meadow]

Oh really?

[balmy condor]

actually enormous

3% from just some effects on stuff that you normally wouldn't have?

yeah

that's ridiculous

[leaden meadow]

My ring from cobalt did 5.24%

Oh yeah, I just thought maybe I'd get more benefit from actual stats or something

[balmy condor]

your ring from cobalt also has half the stats of a normal ring

[drifting cloud]

cobalt ring isnt free

[leaden meadow]

Like obv the ring gives like 800 vers

[balmy condor]

you pay for that 5% cobalt ring

by losing like 400 stat

[leaden meadow]

Makes sense I suppose, I just wasn't sure if it's worth the extra 3% instead of say getting a ring with 800 mastery or crit instead of vers

[balmy condor]

it 1000000% is not

[leaden meadow]

(I meant the fire helm + ring 😅 )

[balmy condor]

shuffling stats around like that is maybe 0.3, at most 0.5%

[raven vapor]

my breakdown on terros was 1.2% for cowl and 2.0% for ring

[peak basin]

!bis

[gleaming geyser]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

the issue with this is basically that since you aren't GAINING any raw stat, you're just moving the stat to some other stat, the difference between those two stats would need to be large enough to beat that extra 3%.

And that's a really tall order, considering the helm is haste/mast, which are really good, and the only meh thing is the vers on the ring

so the question becomes, can getting like 600 mastery instead of 600 vers be better than 3%?

and that's a big no

[leaden meadow]

Ahhh, okay, thank you, when you put it like that, that makes sense

[balmy condor]

also doesn't help that stats are all fairly close for sin

[peak basin]

Does anyone have a resource link on how to get Details to show interrupts from stuns/gouge/kicks/other CCs added together? Interrupt only shows kicks for me.

[midnight atlas]

details tracks literal interrupts

[peak basin]

Oh it's not spell kicks only? Gotcha... been totally misunderstanding that.

[midnight atlas]

you can los an ability which also interrupts it so i dont know if details can track that

[peak basin]

So if I AoE silence the imps while casting in CoS, it will count as interrupts?

[midnight atlas]

no, i mean it only tracks kicks. a successful interrupt of a cast. gouge/kidney is not tracked as interrupt but as a cc

with what ability ?

[peak basin]

I want to know how much my total CC count is for spell/skills with cast times (so gouge/kidney/cheap/kick/blind). Sounds like there's not a way to total them together automatically tho, from what I'm understanding.

[earnest timber]

hi is there a windfury chart by chance?

[raven vapor]

IC+Garrote from stealth

[peak basin]

Yeah that's the AoE silence im referring to, thx.

[midnight atlas]

not really aoe silence, more like st silence 3 times

i have no idea if details tracks that as interrupt

[ruby lotus]

there is an ability that makes garrote hit 8 targets

it is aoe yes

[midnight atlas]

oh, carnage yes.

[ruby lotus]

yeye

[raven vapor]

I don't believe there is a way to track anything other than a straight interrupt spell

[midnight atlas]

if it tracks 8 garrotes that's a great option to get on top of interrupts

in case healer yells to interrupt more

[ruby lotus]

XD

[vapid sierra]

is poisioned knife just used whenver your not in melee range?

[midnight atlas]

yes but only when overcapping energy

[raven vapor]

you wouldn't ever really use it, you would opt for SBS before you PK

[timber meadow]

I assume there's zero reason to play any rogue spec other than assa on m terros?

[vapid sierra]

do i deathmark vanish or vanish deathmark

[vapid sierra]

outlaw sims super close

sin still does better tho

but outlaw can be competitive on sin

my sim was like 2/3k dps difference

but my sin doesnt have bronze gripped so add that

[timber meadow]

yeah my outlaw is about 4-5k lower than my assa

[cerulean nest]

hold all puzzle boxes for DM after opener?

or send on CD after first

[raw raft]

if it's less than 6 min boss, you can hold

[raven vapor]

are you playing exsang?

[cerulean nest]

no

[raw raft]

but if longer than 6 min might as well send it to get an extra use

[cerulean nest]

kk ty

[leaden meadow]

This is going to sound super dumb, but "Improved Garrote" when is says it deals 50% extra damage, is that just 50% flat damage, or is that connected to the "when used from stealth" part?

[balmy condor]

when used from stealth

[spiral moat]

Has anyone tried shadowstep on Sennarth? If so, does it save u from oh shit moments when u get pulled off?

[leaden meadow]

Okay, thank you

[leaden meadow]

Yes, had that happen quite a few times 😅

[balmy condor]

note the difference between the wording here

[raven vapor]

yes it does, saved me a fair few times tonight, need to be careful of which direction you're running though

it also throws you half way back down the ramps

so you will have to survive no healing coming back up

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

[spiral moat]

So step will always land on a platform, but lower platform where the pets are. It wont leave u in mid air and drop to abyss?

[leaden meadow]

Ah yes, alright thank you very much

[raven vapor]

it puts you infront of where the boss is, so if the boss is half way between the platforms and you step it to survive a pull at the top you'll end up back down the ramp

it doesn't put you mid air

[peak plinth]

It's always landed me on same platform as boss right in front of it.

[spiral moat]

Thank u 🙏🏼. This clarifies.

[spiral moat]

Thanks

[vapid sierra]

do i hold deathmark until vanish is off cd?

[balmy condor]

usually better to for most people

[vapid sierra]

do i deathmark > vanish > garrote?

[frigid aurora]

sophic devotion best enchant for single target?

[balmy condor]

yep sounds good

[balmy condor]

best enchant for everything

[craggy nimbus]

So expensive :<

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

[silver forum]

!logs

[thorny pond]

Just log

[obtuse latch]

Is there a reason that the bleed build isnt simming higher for me? i have 4 piece

[spice spire]

Puzzlebox?

[obtuse latch]

m0 level one

[spice spire]

That’s usually suspect #1

[obtuse latch]

Im not running it

just in bags

Heroic greiftorch and normal CCT

[idle coyote]

@balmy condor what’s the biscuit meta? 1 biscuit= 4000 dps?

[vapid sierra]

!log

[brazen zodiac]

[warped temple]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[warped temple]

[balmy condor]

did you come back with the milk dad

[frozen iris]

do you guys think i should use a spark on a 2nd dagger. The tier pieces i have are head and shoulders and no ring for the embellished head thingy

[warped temple]

no, there's traffic. be home soon

[teal bloom]

Wow I remember this Ryfie guy's good assa mythic+ guide from 9.0

[ebon notch]

Garret 1 garret 2 garret 3

[flint pond]

what's the WA shows the list of abilities you've used? like what jpc has

[unkempt belfry]

step will always land you back onto the platform/stairs located a little bit behind where Sennarth's centroid is.

You can also just jump back towards the platform at the end of the pull if you're worried about that, your jump will carry momentum and you'll jump back onto the platform even if you've been pulled off

[balmy condor]

yah the rain is crazy

[spiral moat]

Cheers man. Thank u wil try it out. Was too afraid to try 😂

[wide bolt]

whats the command for the consumables sim?

like to sim your character with all phials and such

[warped temple]

retired now

[steel sedge]

Idk why the guild in here goes Dragon-T with no Ensang

[balmy condor]

I don't get the question

[steel sedge]

There is a spec guide in a channel above us with no ensang / bloody mess or imp garrot

[steel sedge]

Then goes for imp poisions and fatal concoqions

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's the recommended build

[unkempt belfry]

Yeah, it's a big save once you get used to where it's going to send you

[autumn frost]

Just switched to dtb for raid, and now i'm trying to figure out my opener. Seems very obvious and simple.

compared to my million things to do opener with kingsbane

[teal bloom]

Yeah my brain can't handle kb+exsang

[autumn frost]

I don't triple garotte with no shrouded suffocate I take

[teal bloom]

Yeah if you are playing the poison version, the dtb opener from faq is accurate

[balmy condor]

faq opener accounts for all builds

you just have to use brain for like 3 seconds

[outer hornet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[silver forum]

hey guys, is there any optimizations you do with shiv? do you pool energy and pump out mutilate and envenom

[balmy condor]

you hold 1 charge for deathmark

if you have 2 charges

[silver forum]

what is the most important mechanic/function that you need to do to keep dps up with sin?

[balmy condor]

not overcap on resources and maintain all your bleeds

[teal bloom]

Whispyr btw, when I do quick sim with DTB+shrouded, it only does one garrote from stealth but with kingsbane(without exsang) it does 2, is there a reason for this difference between builds?

[silver forum]

i came from legion and we had like these micro optimizations like kingsbane and poison for the last tick and stuff like that, but how do those things pan out now?

are they a thing anymore?

[balmy condor]

without exsang?

[teal bloom]

Yes

[limber lion]

Sus

[balmy condor]

seems fine

[balmy condor]

they don't pan out now

you have 100% uptime on envenom and elaborate for kingsbane

pretty much automatically

[limber lion]

I wish the stack counter wasn't hidden

[silver forum]

ohhh wow. that's news to me

[limber lion]

Getting 30+ procs was the highlight of a pull

[balmy condor]

I mean, min-max this

you can't

where you gonna go

from 89% to 90%?

from 94% to 95%?

[silver forum]

pray to geebus the winds change

i see. that makes so much sense

[balmy condor]

best you can do is pool

on envenom

but even that is like some 0.2% shit

[silver forum]

meh

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor So is 2x garrote not worth it with dtb build even with shrouded

[silver forum]

okay this totally changed my perception of the spec

[balmy condor]

and every time I tell someone to pool on envenom, they turn into one of two vegetables:

1. what's pooling me dumb
2. pools wrong and overcaps like 300 energy

assassination is the definition of an over-analyzed spec

people will cum themselves dry trying to find another 0.3% uptime on envenom for +5 dps

and then get into an actual raid fight

and just not play it anyways

[silver forum]

sin is easier ST for me so i need to do better in that. Not a real rogue if you can't do good single target lol

[balmy condor]

my personal favorite

is the people that I review their log

and they're like "I want to know the giga min-maxes tell me"

and I tell them

and then they go "oh but that doesn't really make a difference right"

[silver forum]

lol

[vapid sierra]

lowkey might roll sin once outlaw gets nerfed

[normal mist]

Be a Chad and do it now

[vapid sierra]

outlaws output is just too much to ignore tho

that shit is just hella fucking op

[royal lantern]

im easy

me have 5cp and energy, me Press envenom

[scarlet sable]

How’s sin feel in high tyran keys?

Was thinking about it

[balmy condor]

feels fine

[pastel nimbus]

Why does Wowhead recommend the Dragon Tempered build for Terros? Does it really do more damage single target?

[balmy condor]

they're equal

if you look on wowlogs as well it's a pretty even split

actually the majority is dtb

[shut owl]

finally felt like I played dathea clean

sadly my guild pulled a full 15 seconds early so I wasn't in stealth t-t

[next herald]

What’s best single target with kings bane build I feel like I can’t do over 30k