assassination

[languid basin]

the dps meter doesn’t go to funny number at the start of the fight so i get less dopamine

[bitter crow]

in theory, would this work for an opener (KS build with exsang):
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=40 garrote, slice and dice, garrote, rupture, echoing reprimand, rupture, serrated bone spike, vanish, garrote, exsanguinate, deathmark, envenom, kingsbane, shiv

[turbid heath]

So sin rogues burst isn't that great but their sustained will see them eventually top/top3?

[bitter crow]

depends on the spec

what sinspec talents you take

[balmy condor]

sure

whatever

looks great king

[balmy condor]

sin rogue burst is fine, but it's nothing insane, usually will catch up because of the execute more than anything else

[crisp shard]

They are reusable, and snow gets removed in time for when you need it

[flint tusk]

Damn people using cast sequence to play the class. 🙃
Might as well just go play warrior at that point.

[balmy condor]

when does the first rune spawn?

we broke all 4 runes on a tyrannical last week and we were like 10 seconds off of the 5th cast with no rune in sight

[static glacier]

strange, for me the only time there's no rune is if we clowned and covered the first rune with snow

[balmy condor]

yeh we just went in a circle

did all 4 runes

got back to the beginning

and we're like

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

GOTTA KILL HERE

and we managed it luckily

but we were having a bit of a panic attack

cause the first rune was still fizzled and cracked

[barren osprey]

Yes the snow despawns slower than the boss goes up starting from 5th rune it looks like

[turbid heath]

Guys pls keep me entertained at work 😦

Post ur specs or something you care about in-game 😂😭

[bronze pike]

I care about my 5 tank key team :)

Just some vdhs and prot wars jumping around

[turbid heath]

😂

[arctic hare]

so exsang isn't even worth using in keys?

Rather, its less worth having in keys because of the long cd?

[tawny geyser]

Stupid question, but do we use Instant or Deadly poison in Raids?

[arctic hare]

Hmm, might have to try it out, what talent would you recommend replacing it with?

[arctic hare]

Deadly.

[tawny geyser]

thanks..because every weakaura I get it always recommends Instant

[arctic hare]

oh? really?

[tawny geyser]

ye you know those "Missing Poison"

I tried 3 different ones

its always Instant

[arctic hare]

OH, those, yeah no its only showing instant because its the general poison for every spec, just ignore it lol

[balmy condor]

Are you sure that’s not just the icon they use

[tawny geyser]

Ah I see

[arctic hare]

Yeah, its just the icon lol

[tawny geyser]

No no, its one of those Clickable Weakaura , I click it and u get instant

[balmy condor]

It’s just as worth as running MA preference at the end of the day

[tawny geyser]

cant find any Clickable with Deadly, and I dont know how to edit Weakauras

[arctic hare]

HHmm, interesting

what about Doomblade?

[balmy condor]

What about it

[arctic hare]

Would it be better then? considering its ST

[balmy condor]

Better than exsang?

[arctic hare]

indeed

[balmy condor]

You would lose iron wire

So no

[arctic hare]

I, hmm, true

ohhhh, ouch, yeah, rather like having iron wire

[turbid heath]

So do we all still spec into exsang in a KB build?

Or can the points be spent elsewhere

[balmy condor]

There’s a billion builds in the pins, which do all manner of stuff

I personally Just take IP instead in raids

[turbid heath]

Yeah looking through the pins now

V interesting

I do like the DTB play style as it's one less button to press and I feel it flows better but looking at the 10% increase in execute phase has intrigued me

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[royal lantern]

2.4k score achieved

[wide hawk]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[ebon notch]

ignore pain?

[royal lantern]

improved poisons

[thorn crater]

u use instant poison huh

[arctic hare]

grats

[spice spire]

Hard to ignore the pain man

[slim hamlet]

In it together

[subtle tundra]

its called alcohol

you should try it

[spice spire]

Nah I’m good

[subtle tundra]

same. i havent had any since last year

proud of myself

[glass junco]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[spice spire]

More proud of the dad joke

[slim hamlet]

Havn't had any since last month either

[subtle tundra]

alcohol is placebo anyways.

it does nothing

[magic orbit]

Quick noob question, what talent is allowing me to always use Ambush outside of stealth?

I thought it was only during ambush procs but it's always usable. Why use Mutilate at all?

[subtle tundra]

you must be trippin

[magic orbit]

as in I shouldn't be able to use it all the time right?

[subtle tundra]

yea

only in stealth/procs

[magic orbit]

nah, I'm using it all the time open world. I'm not sure what's happening here

[subtle tundra]

do you play shadow dance

[magic orbit]

nope

[subtle tundra]

then youre trippin

or maybe you have subterfuge talented and can use it for 3 more seconds

[magic orbit]

nope, I'm sitting here open world outside of stealth and I can use ambush

I'm not sure what's happening....

[subtle tundra]

youre trippin

[magic orbit]

let me stream?

I'm in general 1 if you have a sec, I don't have a mic hooked up right now

I think I may be bugged

[subtle tundra]

i like my narrative of you trippin

its new year

[magic orbit]

hahahaha

let me see if I can downgrade that quality to make it less feature film sized

https://clipchamp.com/watch/LAdPmRDkFkX

[crisp shard]

The first snow despawns and first Rune reactivates as you ger the last snow debuff before his aoe cast

[subtle tundra]

kevin privilage

[magic orbit]

That's not how it's supposed to be right?

ok, killing myself fixed it now

All I can think is I did the legion rogue quest where you sneak into stormwind to kill the dreadlord, started as assass, swapped to outlaw for the grapple and then swapped back to assass all during the same quest.

maybe that did it

[zealous stream]

yo guys, whats the best way to make a macro for maniac grieftorch, I'm using it on the same button as deathmark, but it sometimes interrupts the chanel

[turbid heath]

This sounds like a mad bug, go do that again and try your deeps on a dummy and post results!

[lament warren]

ambushpresserx

[indigo pollen]

Hi all! new rogue here, leveled outlaw and am trying to learn assass. maybe i missed it somehwere in pins or faq but im looking for aoe rotation help, specifically wondering about the downtime inbetween the initial opener and the cooldown for IC coming back up

[turbid heath]

Check pinned again & specs for aoe builds, so much info there it's actually easy to miss!

[indigo pollen]

okay. I'll double check for sure

[digital zodiac]

Do we know if this is any good? Its not on blood mallet so I assume not

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1029679777138868256/1058847071051972708/image.png

[gusty mirage]

It’s not great, def okay to use until you get something better though

It’s a decent amount of mastery

[cloud moat]

Is it a dps decrease to upkeep Crimson Tempest debuff on single target boss with KB IC

Btw do you guys think having a well configured Plater could make a huge difference when it comes to M+? Atm using slightly modified Elvui nameplates

[turbid heath]

Plater is proooo

[thorny pond]

Negligible

[proper tapir]

If you have it in the first trinket spot then you can use this:

#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling] Deathmark
/use 13

[sturdy egret]

Anybody know someone who can craft R5 molten shortblade on Zul'jin for a recraft?

[cursive frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ruby lotus]

Rani did mine

[sturdy egret]

thanks!

[strange python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[potent rune]

Not really rogue related but does anyone have/know a WA/addon that sound alerts when Volcanic affix is under them? GTFO doesnt play a sound and it sux when im on my healer and not the rogue.

[hot goblet]

iirc there isn’t one.

purely visual mechanic

[quaint condor]

has anyone tried running that talent that makes a target youve Kidney Shot take more damage? how does it feel?
I feel like I’d like it for m+

seems stinky to have to take a sap talent to get to it

[subtle tundra]

its not something you care about

especially at the cost of 2 points

[steel ridge]

@balmy condor somehow your kingsbane simulation is cheating

[brazen zodiac]

that shit feels like bis until u start end-game content

3 tier tokens dropped yesterday and i managed to roll a 40, 42, and a 46 now what is the probability of dat

[indigo pollen]

just did my first mythic as assass and it went really well, thankyou to everyone that has worked on all the pins/guides/faqs

[severe oyster]

Man I hate double on use, but best trinkets I have. 😦

[outer cairn]

hmm. so the difference between kb w/ exsang and dtb bleed w/out exsang is about 1.6% for me. I don't feel like that is very huge, but I know others would argue that it is

[turbid heath]

1.6% in what direction

[outer cairn]

Sorry. dtb bleed build w/out exsang is a 1.6% loss

the typical poison dtb is probably 1.7 and dtb bleed w/ exsang is maybe .5

I don't mind hitting exsang, but I do like the little bit extra energy from scoundrel

probably cause i'm trash and spam my buttons a bit to much

[timber meadow]

does kb take execute talents

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[onyx canyon]

Guide says "Pistol shot if you have an opportunity proc and wont cap combo points" In simple terms, whats the max points I should use pistol shot at? not looking to be perfect

Ups wrong thread

[unreal laurel]

It does, Zoldyck is right before KB

[unborn vault]

anyone knows what item I should craft with my 3rd spark?

I got Lariat and molten shortblade, anyone knows that the 3rd item should be?

[limber lion]

Flaring Cowl

[brazen zodiac]

did someone say flaring cowl

https://tenor.com/view/lofty-leather-co-leathercraft-leatherwork-tools-gif-22315595

ready to craft sir

those inspiration hits are the new dopamine of wow

[turbid heath]

I need to get my alchemy capped

But the explosions:(

[gusty mirage]

dmf is up

[brazen zodiac]

that shit is no joke lmao, neither is the decay debuff for that one herb. shit just does 100k per tick lmfao

[gusty mirage]

go get your free skill ups king

[turbid heath]

How brother?!

[gusty mirage]

they have a quest

[turbid heath]

I avoid dmf like the plague

[gusty mirage]

that gives you like 3 skill up + knowledge + free mettle

and it's usually easy af

[turbid heath]

🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

Sweet

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

which quest

odds are ive done it already but itd be pretty based if i didnt

i found out they nerfd dragon shards droprate

[gusty mirage]

they have those quests that you can do once every month

[brazen zodiac]

went from seeing 10+ a week to a fat 0

[gusty mirage]

the prof quests in the DMF

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah darkmoon

[gusty mirage]

yeyeye

[brazen zodiac]

yeah gonna do that asap didnt know about that, DMF dont come out until 12 am tho

kinda hyped thats gonna push me to a huge breaking point in crafting should be able to do a lot of lifebound 418 guaranteed

like all POG

when u turned in a dragonshard did u ever remember getting 3 knowledge points by chance?

oxi did u ever send me ur skill tree

[turbid heath]

Think tomorrow it's time for me to focus on profs

[thorn crater]

how big is the difference between sophic 2 and 3 really

like, its practically the same thing

(me talking myself out of spending 100k on an enchant)

[analog hedge]

what stats for assasination lariat(?)

[gusty mirage]

not worth the extra money if you're tight on gold

[gusty mirage]

crit mastery

[analog hedge]

thank you!

[royal lantern]

150 mainstat or something

[thorn crater]

no i kno wthe stat diff

im just saying

its not that big of a deal right

devo 2 is 20k

devo 3 is 95

like....

[gusty mirage]

yea

just grab a 2

it's like 0.3-0.5% dps

only reason I put sophic 3 on my crafted dagger is well I'm keeping it unless I rng my way into a m+ dagger out of the box

and historically my guild has been bad with dagger drops

[analog hedge]

what about the socket?

[gusty mirage]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[gusty mirage]

depends on what proc you want

[analog hedge]

thank you so much

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

o dmf is up

lets get dis knowledge oxxxeeee

[violet jackal]

If you did the profession quests the first time darkroom was up, will they be there again this time?

[brazen zodiac]

i think its a monthly

so yeah? idk tho

[winter gale]

Can some1 tell me where to find Bleed DTB rotation/opener ?

[solid mica]

Yes

[vivid barn]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[jade wadi]

I've seen people reccomending cowl as the 3rd item to craft, but I thought that you could only equip 2 unique embelleshed items?

[limber lion]

That's correct, you would remove the embellishment from the dagger.

[limber lion]

FAQ

It's the Kingsbane opener, but just without the Kingsbane lol

[ebon notch]

shiny

[brazen zodiac]

sparkle!

[small ingot]

what is the best opener without bone spike? (m+ talents 1 target)

[thick briar]

when do i use this?

[brazen zodiac]

theres a strip of information underneath the pictures of the opener in the faq that tell u when

[thorny pond]

In the FAQ, just omit BS

[burnt venture]

Just spam jump to clear it

[winter gale]

And in DTB build, where to use Manic Grieftorch in opener?

[brazen zodiac]

orly? didnt know

[burnt venture]

Yeah you can just jump I think it’s either 2-3 times and it’ll go away

[brazen zodiac]

o ok ty

yk i figured there was some goofy stuff to it haha

[unique otter]

is there an interaction between exsanguinate and bone spike?

as in does exsanguinate perma buff bone spike and I shouldnt refresh after or does it not work like that at all

[oak sky]

Doesnt work like that

[unique otter]

so dont worry about it just pump out my extra bone spikes

[oak sky]

Yep

[unique otter]

tyty

[undone eagle]

best advice for Rasz hc when the adds spawning in p1.5 and p2.5?? do I rupture+garrote big mob only and fok rest?

(i also bone spike the big mob)

[lament warren]

ya just funnel

[agile flower]

Stupid questions is there a % cap for Mastery and Crit?

[thorn crater]

i assume a 418 fenryr's fang > 4piece right. since u cant get it another way

[agile flower]

Ty, was not sure if there was a break point were there was a better gain else where.

[thorny pond]

Nope. Just use top gear

[oak sky]

I mean if you expect to never kill mythic broodkeeper maybe

[haughty nebula]

are bronzed grip wrappings what we should still be going for one the offhand over fang, I remember it being bugged?

[thorny aurora]

Hey, is that normal that my deathmark damage is so low ?

In my recount

I'm playing DTB with no 2p/4p

Or does details calculate it differently than wlogs?

[outer cairn]

Believe pop it right before DM if you have no other channeled trinks

[outer cairn]

Think this has been discussed. Most of your DM "damage" is more about the copied bleeds and poisons.

I just don't think details does a good job of telling you where as on logs I believe it does

[haughty nebula]

do you kow if bronzed grip wrapping are no longer bugged and should be what we are using as the embellishment for offhand?

[outer cairn]

Think consensus is just go for fangs because you'll eventually craft lariat and use with eranog ring so not worth the gold

not lariat

cowl

[wind raft]

How do I copy the import strings from the FAQ for talents, discord wont let me highlight to copy

[outer cairn]

!pin

[wind raft]

!pin

[outer cairn]

check pins. use those

but i had no problem highlighting and copying the strings in the faq

[celest ruin]

we got ourselves a traitor

[outer cairn]

what's a whis pear?

like a regular pear?

[weak horizon]

Do you guys know if the rank of bronze gripped wrappings affects DPS?

[oak sky]

Does not

Just recipe difficulty which makes it harder to craft at high ilvl with a lower rank embellish

[shut oar]

Oof... when you think you did good hitting 47k ST on H Terros only for your sim to tell you that it should be 55k

[jade wadi]

my issue is I only have 2 set, and one of those is the head piece. so i'm sitting here with no clue what to craft. my trinkets are bad, so I was thinking about that. but idk lol.

[balmy condor]

Tooltip error from wowhead

[manic pebble]

which poisons use in dtb, first time playing rogue

[balmy condor]

Amp deadly

[ornate topaz]

why does puzzlebox put me out of stealth while on Outlaw it doesnt ?

[subtle tundra]

do you have subterfuge on outlaw?

[glass junco]

Hey, can someone check my log review?

[ornate topaz]

oh yes

good stuff thanks!4

[limber lion]

I would personally probably hold off from crafting for now in case you can get 4p without the head unless you're in a rush or something

[haughty nebula]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[haughty nebula]

I have a quick question cooncerning the elemental lariat - what are the three gems that we are looking to socket in that neck piece?

[oak sky]

!lariat

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[haughty nebula]

!lariat

[oak sky]

I think most people will go 2 crit/mast gems and a crit/primary stat gem

But remember all your gems are taken into account

So anything on other slots as well

[haughty nebula]

so one primalist with crit

crit/haste and master/crit?

[balmy condor]

Why are you trying to force different gems

Put crit/mast in everything

[snow plinth]

does this play out the same with the KB/IC build, just take out the SBS?

[balmy condor]

One primary/crit, the rest crit mast

[balmy condor]

Ye

[snow plinth]

word ty!

[haughty nebula]

gotcha, I was not sure if ti would not proc the same game if you had multiple

gem*

[balmy condor]

When it procs it picks one of gems you have equipped

[haughty nebula]

thank you!

[pure spoke]

did something happen to log review stuff? think I got a subthread to discuss mine and just had no response and now it's gone

[magic vine]

is it worth keeping the crimson tempest bleed up on single target? i was noticing my patchwork sim did it

but i'm not sure how much of an edge over just envenoms it'd be or if its just an "optimal sim play for tiny gain"

[ionic viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oak sky]

Its mostly optimal sim play for small gain

[magic vine]

sounds good, i'll ignore it and focus on not fucking up my important bits

[peak basin]

If I want to eek out more dmg on pull, should all bleeds/CDs happen AFTER lust or will it dynamically change? I think this is called snapshotting, not sure.

[snow plinth]

Only feral druid bleeds snapshot iirc

every other dot in the game is dynamic afaik

[peak basin]

Thanks @snow plinth!

[weak plover]

Doesn't exsang snapshot?

[swift dagger]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[balmy condor]

snapshot haste

yes

[neon oxide]

get PI for big exsang snapshot

huge brain

[rapid mist]

when simming with puzzle box the 2nd use is held until 4min with deathmark, is that just because its stronger to use with deathmark than exsang?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[night delta]

also tbf you'd sync exsang with DM in sub 6min fights anyway ; though I don't know the average length of a mythic boss this season

[dense herald]

Fights gonna absolutely roll over in farm with gear

They gonna be target dummies

Which I don’t mind, allows no brain power

[cerulean nest]

better to upgrade weapon or lariat to 418 first?

weapon id imagine

[balmy condor]

Weapon yeah

[visual shuttle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[polar sinew]

hello i got my neck elemental lariat and i want to know if it's a unique item ? because i would like to craft and equip Flaring Cowl Helmet too but i don't know if i can :/

[potent dust]

Hello, I'm trying to make Mutilate/Ambush macro for Blindside talent. Is it possible to make a macro where Mutilate and Ambush are linked but Ambush works only if its useable, any ideas?

[marble hemlock]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[marble hemlock]

you can wear 2 items that have the "embellished" tag. lariat is one of them, so is flaring cowl.

[potent dust]

Thank you!

[polar sinew]

ok thanks it's because i have lariat and my crafted dagger crit mastery with bronzed grip

[marble hemlock]

ye then that wont work

youll have to remove the bronzed grip from the dagger before you can equip the cowl

[polar sinew]

okok but anyway according to the assa faq its way better bronzed grap and lariat than cowl so np

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hz9kSRKqEgbZXNenKroKiY

Is it logic to get so much sim but deal arround 50k in fight ? like terros for example ? i dont know if i do something wrong in my rotation and i dont know how i can see my mistakes

[swift gorge]

Patchwerk is a boss you stand there and dps

Noting else so you dnt pull the same as sims

[polar sinew]

yeah i know thats why i took teros for exemple

[swift gorge]

Sim is mainly for gear

[polar sinew]

there is no real move away from boss

[swift gorge]

Teros you have to move and stuff and soak or aim and look at your feet

[marble hemlock]

i wouldnt consider simdps to be a targetgoal of dps for any fight, no, not even pure singletarget ones

[polar sinew]

yh but thats not that difficult (i think) even so my parses are blue/purple for assa in general but go down to blue/green for assa at my ilvl when i see for exemple warriors at same dps and ilvl going to orange parses in my roster xd so that's mean i can do away more

[polar sinew]

ok i see

[marble hemlock]

sims help us evaluate gear choices, or compare different rotational priorities and how they would end up performing. we can then use that information and compare our own gear or playstyle with it, to find improvements. the number is kind of irrelevant (not entirely, ofc, but generally speaking)

[polar sinew]

so what can i do about my parses ? because for me it mean that i can do better at my ilvl

[balmy condor]

the way to fix your parses is either play better or get more gear

[peak basin]

I thought parse was how close you get to sim dmg. Is that not right?

[timber basalt]

guys, what's the strat on tree boss in academy?

fok + ct on 1st and 3rd adds and hold carnage for 2nd?

[grim jay]

No its your dps compared to other logs for the same spec

[brisk zealot]

Parses are how you compare to other people on the same spec. There's an overall one which isn't very useful and an ilvl specific one. So if your ilvl parse score is 60 then you're in the 60th percentile for ilvl meaning you're doing better than 60% of other Sin rogues with your ilvl.

They can be a bit wonky especially this early as they don't account for things like tier, trinkets, enchants (now with different quality), and now profession gear like lariat. Just raw ilvl.

[indigo pollen]

whats good price for lariat commission?

homie said 10k

[peak basin]

People are asking for 5k-15k commissions on my server.

[grim jay]

Paying more than 15k for any order is unreasonable

[indigo pollen]

heard that

[peak basin]

Agreed, thats just what I see in trade chat heh.

How good in the Crimson Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity PvP trinket for PvE use? Or is the only way to know to sim?

[polar sinew]

how can i know if i play bad or good ? i saw here the opener etc but i feel that i cant do much more

[brisk zealot]

A funny number and a note that will make them laugh works. I did 6,420 69s and told them that if they have the hiccups and want to get rid of them to remind themselves that they're not a fish, they don't have gills, and their lungs work fine for breathing.

[balmy condor]

I'd actually argue the overall one is WAY more useful than ilevel

[balmy condor]

you either look at the log for mistakes or have someone else look at the log for mistakes if you can't do it

[polar sinew]

okok i ll try to come one day with logs from HC to check that

bcs i dunno if NM is really useful

[indigo pollen]

!lariat

[balmy condor]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[balmy condor]

also faq has gem suggestions

[polar sinew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hwKmafLFdCTR2QJX/ i have only that if its useful as NM parses

[balmy condor]

wtf is this

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

overwriting the vanish garrote

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

that doesn't work

[brazen zodiac]

oh no

[polar sinew]

wait what ?

[balmy condor]

shiv casts need work

[marble hemlock]

i do that sometimes

[polar sinew]

which fight is it xD

[marble hemlock]

love sitting in stealth for 3 seconds after vanishing

cuz i accidentally hit garrote before vanishing not after

[balmy condor]

rest seems okay but your gear is shit

so

unlucky

[polar sinew]

what is shit ???

[balmy condor]

tldr:
fix gear
fix your opener
cast shiv better
don't fuck your cooldowns

rest seems okay

hope it helps

[polar sinew]

what is the prob with gear ? stats ? trinket ? daggers ?

[balmy condor]

everything except the trinkets

[polar sinew]

too much mastery not enough haste ?

[balmy condor]

no it's just like 390 garbage

you're not parsing with a 392 mainhand and a 2 set when your average ilvl is 393

[polar sinew]

im 395 now i have improve a bit since the logs i gave you

[balmy condor]

you're competing with people 10+ ilevel above you

[polar sinew]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hz9kSRKqEgbZXNenKroKiY

[balmy condor]

yeah that's great

you still can't compete

[oblique tangle]

Where does Ritual blade stand compard to other options we have access to? I want to feel like it's one of the better options?

[polar sinew]

405 both daggers

[balmy condor]

again

fantastic

it's not good enough

[polar sinew]

oooh ok i didnt understood about set

[royal lantern]

the wait of shame, we all done it

just say its some 3000IQ Ressource move

[polar sinew]

thats mean to get the good parses i have to get the T4 first ?

thanks for help

[balmy condor]

to get good parses you have to decide what good means to you, and then have enough gear to be able to perform at that level

from there you have to actually play at that level

I showed you the glaring mistakes you made in your gameplay

and you need to improve your gear

fixing your rotation and getting better gear = more damage

more damage = higher parse

[marble hemlock]

its like taking your volvo to the formula one and wondering why youre not coming in top10

odds are, the driving aint perfect, either, but the equipment matters

[gusty mirage]

out of all the car brands you choose

you pick a volvo?

[marble hemlock]

ye

[brazen zodiac]

whats wrong with a volvo

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

he's german

he literally coulda picked any of those

[marble hemlock]

but i didnt

[royal lantern]

no german drives a german car dude

[marble hemlock]

what are you gonna do about it?

[gusty mirage]

especially a car brand formed in sweden

owned by an american car company

[marble hemlock]

germans dont drive german cars

[gusty mirage]

[rancid nimbus]

this volvo thing .. 😄

[marble hemlock]

my dad used to drive a volvo for over a decade. very good car.

[rancid nimbus]

best laugh of the day

[balmy condor]

the analogy wouldn't have worked man

"like taking your audi to the formula one"

doesn't have the same kick

[marble hemlock]

ye

or mercedes

or bmw

[royal lantern]

never thought about it, but Volvo is a funny Word

[gusty mirage]

volkswagen

[marble hemlock]

too many syllables

[gusty mirage]

or as you prolly pronounce it

VOLKS VAGEN

[marble hemlock]

and too german sounding

[polar sinew]

is that a good opener or an abomination ? i took part from your opener in Faq and what looked good on dummy

[balmy condor]

most germans don't remember that volkswagen exists

[gusty mirage]

it's okay neither did the department of transportation

[marble hemlock]

anyway

i went with a basic-ass car

volvo is a safe bet

[gusty mirage]

volvo kinda high end for basic ass cars

[balmy condor]

don't grieftorch during deathmark, otherwise looks okay

[marble hemlock]

so is his gear

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

still not enough to compete in the F1

i pick my analogies carefully

just like my nose

[gusty mirage]

that's good

don't wanna get a nose bleed

[balmy condor]

that's when I know to stop

it's a natural sign

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

out of curiosity

why do flight masters exist

[royal lantern]

when you wanna go somewhere, and grab a drink/go to the toilet at the same time

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess

[gusty mirage]

your toilet is in your kitchen?

[marble hemlock]

thats just extra flavor, dont you love your boogers with some metallic aftertaste?

[gusty mirage]

or do you store your beverages in the bathroom?

[royal lantern]

piss.in.bottles

[balmy condor]

my gf is anemic, she always appreciated it

[marble hemlock]

sharing is caring

god gave us 2nostrils for a reason

[gusty mirage]

[polar sinew]

okok thanks

[marble hemlock]

dont look at us like that

[balmy condor]

woah woah woah, who is "us" here

[marble hemlock]

youd enjoy a nice shared bloody booger in front of the fireplace just as much as us

[magic vine]

huh i never thought about it, do you smell in stereo?

[balmy condor]

By definition yes

[magic vine]

odor based depth perception

[marble hemlock]

not necessarily

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

its like when you have the flu and you got the stereo nostril block and then for like a tiny bit when things are a bit better, you actually get like 10% of your noses use, but its mono usage only

and then it swaps like

from one to the other

and for a split second you have the use of both, and its like heaven on earth

and on your next breath all that joy is gone again

[magic vine]

huh, dslice sim likes ritual shell over puzzle box

[balmy condor]

Dslice has a lot of weird trinket timing stuff

[magic vine]

ah like since its a 3min it only gets 2 uses but is close to 3 or something? so if the cd doesn't match up well with sim length it'll be funky?

[balmy condor]

Yeah stuff like that

[gentle roost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lavish isle]

yo, ALL CONTENT: Critical Strike > Mastery >= Haste > Versatility its correct stat prio ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lavish isle]

u think i can make more dps as assa ST than outlaw?

then *

[ebon notch]

you used than correctly

dw

[balmy condor]

probably yeah

[shut oar]

Just finished raid tonight... Still 0 tier and the warlock who did tank damage gets 4 pc

[brazen zodiac]

shit bro you too?

[winged fern]

i have a question what buff as outlaw rogue should i pick in Algeth'ar Academy in m+

[vast forum]

wrong channel

but the answer is vers 🙂

[winged fern]

where do i need to ask if i have future questions

[winged fern]

thanks

[vast forum]

in #outlaw

[winged fern]

oh wupps just noticed

hahah thanks

[quasi scroll]

nevermind, it just let me once I switched channels

[regal oxide]

Is exaguinate needed for M+ Carnage?

[balmy condor]

no

[regal oxide]

its in talent build for single target m+ bosses?

[echo heath]

In a friends guild, his loot council are on record of telling me they will not give me tier or run keys, gotta find something new

[low palm]

Hi guys, I recently started playing as a rogue and would like to know some pointers on things I could do to improve my dps, based on the following logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/sanguino/sqrr
Things I am trying to get better at:

• Not capping thistle tea, shiv
• Always finishing with minimum max combo pts. -1
• Trying to garrote/rupture as soon as the pandemic vindow starts, using luxthos WA that highlight pandemic and found it pretty useful.
  However, In general I feel like I do way less damage than I should so I think I'm probably missing something pretty basic, but can't figure it out, I've read the guides but can't see where I fail. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

it is yeah

[gusty mirage]

few things I noticed by skimming your kurog, be mindful of not spacing out your shiv, and pay attention to your bonespike charges

and you cast bonespike twice total

in 5 minutes

[regal oxide]

how to use the carnage build to do good dps on Council only fight I struggle on

[gusty mirage]

rotationally nothing jumps out as egregiously wrong

[low palm]

Thanks, noted both things, bonespike should be cast as well to not cap at 3 charges?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[low palm]

and any specific moment when I should use wait to use shiv or ASAP as long as it doesn't overlap with each other / cap?

[gusty mirage]

ideally you want to have both charges for deathmark

besides that, just be mindful to not cap charges

[low palm]

coolio, thank you!

[turbid heath]

What server?

[balmy condor]

carnage on cooldown with ER to spread bleeds, use deathmark on the highest health boss, spread serrated bone spike, maintain slice with envenom, spam ct

[topaz valley]

!fuy

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[craggy sierra]

What phial are we using in keys?

[proud basin]

questiong about deathmark. Do i need to reapply rup/garrote once i use deathmark?

[balmy condor]

ele or vers

[balmy condor]

no

[proud basin]

interseting

might i ask why

[dawn kelp]

!log

[sharp cypress]

Deathmark duplicates your Rupture/Garrote/Lethal Poisons whilst it is active. It doesn't matter when those debuffs were applied (before or after Deathmark was cast)

[weak horizon]

!log

[thorny pond]

Whispyr, where is your cute hat?

[balmy condor]

basically what woodhouse said, you get your dots up, you press deathmark, it duplicates the dots already on the target, no need to refresh

[slim hamlet]

Yeah his profile pic is kinda ruined now

[balmy condor]

it's january no more santa hat

[slim hamlet]

Changed it midnight 1st january

00:01

[thorny pond]

u still mid. id clap

[balmy condor]

I changed it this morning after I woke up

[ebon notch]

Did you have a good Christmas

[balmy condor]

no

[oblique tangle]

Moving from one spec to the other where I have Shadowstep left and Shadowstep right on talent trees

and just NOT HAVING ACCESS TO IT UNTIL I UNLEARN IT FROM BOTH SIDES

Is fucking infuriating?

Why has this not been fixed.

[nocturne current]

No clue, but I made a MacGuyver fix of making a third spec without shadowstep at all and just talent into that one before switching instead of logout/login.

[oblique tangle]

Honestly I mgith have to

so stupid

[nocturne current]

And don't put any keystones in that empty spec so you don't get the "Wait until X is in cooldown"

Guess firing that whole Q&A deparment wasn't such a good idea

[oblique tangle]

They didn't fire the QA department though

We've been playing this whole time

[proud basin]

Question. When i sim for stats weights it shows has haste is better then crit. Do i go with that or keep going with crit?

[oak sky]

Its usually recommended to mostly ignore stat weights and just sim individual gear pieces to see which ones are the biggest upgrade

[proud basin]

yeah when i did that it said to use the haste/mastery belt of the crit mastery belt so then i wanted to look at stat weights since that that was different then everything else that ihave seen

[oak sky]

Right now in general crit mastery is preferred but if your haste is low or your other stats get too high haste can be a preferred stat

[weak horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pseudo stratus]

serrated bone spike doesn't stack what so ever on single target right? just get the initial hit when you refresh it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire

[prisma cypress]

do you guys play the IC build in keys or do you find the particular timing to be too much of a pain in the ass?

[balmy condor]

Ickb on fort

Dtb on tyran

[raw raft]

any corrupting rage enjoyers

[vestal lark]

starting to play assassination after only playing outlaw -- what are the playstyle differences between kingsbane and DTB builds?

[balmy condor]

one presses kingsbane every minute and the other doesnt

[woeful meteor]

one holds Shiv the other doesn't

[oblique tangle]

Aight so what's our dagger tier list?

Is it just based on what stat prio you're after?

[balmy condor]

The tier list is item level in your main hand

And then usually stats in your offhand

[oblique tangle]

I c I c

[balmy condor]

But ilvl is still important for your offhand

Like bis uses 2 of the high lvl haste/vers 424’s from mythic diurna

It also ends up liking a little more haste and vers

But I think for most people unless it’s like a 10 ilvl difference, crit mast is pretty much good to go

[oblique tangle]

Yeah, I've got the crafted dagger with crit mast and the dagger from shadowmoon

Was trying to decide if I wanted to grind for the one from halls or not

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[steel ridge]

@balmy condor is there a way to select a specific %-bosshealth range in warcraftlogs?

like sub 30% for execute

[oblique tangle]

Yeahci figured probably not

[balmy condor]

Yeah find when the boss goes to 30% and then drag the timeline past that

:)

[steel ridge]

yeah but the timeline doesnt show % for me :/

[balmy condor]

?

Enemies resource health

It’s literally a 100-0 graph over time

You just find where it’s 30

[steel ridge]

perfect, thats what i was missing

gotcha thx

[spring moth]

can someone explain to me what is the point of Exsanguinate? why is it powerful ?

so Rupture and Garrote end almost at half the time - I guess it's an energy boost ?

[broken coyote]

Does anyone have a good Kingsbane Weakaura. I typically play outlaw but am working assassination into my gameplay. However keepign both procs of shiv up for the kingsbane duration has been a nightmare in raid. Am always forgetting and not getting full uptime. Anyone using a weak aura for this?

[balmy condor]

Faster tick and finish means more ticks total

[weak horizon]

If your normal bleeds do 100 dmg every 1 second that's 100dps. If you exsang that then it becomes 100 dmg every .5 seconds so then it's 200dps.

[spring moth]

you would use it on bosses only?

[steel ridge]

we are expecting a rework for that ability anyway 🙂

[weak horizon]

Simplifying a bit because it's 80% faster instead of 100% faster, but the same logic holds. Same damage over a shorter time = more DPS.

[spring moth]

but it applies only to one target right ?

[steel ridge]

yes

[spring moth]

and it has 3 min cooldown

so I assume you would use it on a boss

[weak horizon]

In m+ you'll still use it on a prio target every once in a while too

[spring moth]

ahh it only speeds up the current active bleeds not new ones?

[weak horizon]

Yep

[spring moth]

so it doesn't matter if it's a boss or not

just need to make sure the target doesn't die instantly

[weak horizon]

Yep, it converts whatever active bleeds are on into special exsang-ed bleeds

[sick aspen]

are we typically using the ap whetstones or the crit ones?

[weak horizon]

So you don't want to pandemic refresh them

[spring moth]

thank you 🙂

[weak horizon]

You also want to have them at as high of a duration as possible before you exsang, so theoretically you garrote up to max pandemic and pandemic a rupture with echoing reprimand for 7cp rupture and then exsang if possible

[sharp cypress]

Buzzing Rune

[spring moth]

what is pandemic ?

[sick aspen]

thanks you woodhouse, I'm just blind, was staring at the sheet like "surprised that's not on here"

[analog oasis]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[weak horizon]

Ayuh, so if you double garrote you can have a garrote up to 23.4s in duration.

[spring moth]

ohh

i get it now

yea makes sense

[weak horizon]

And the way it works the newly applied bleed will overwrite the old one. So if you have an empowered garrote running ( that you used from stealth with the empowered garrote talent) and then you use a normal garrote on top of it when the original is in the 5.4s pandemic window then you'll overwrite it with the non-empowered garrote.

That's bad.

[broken coyote]

does it work the other way increasing the length of an empowred garrote?

[spring moth]

you mean like garrote then go stealth and garrote again ?

[broken coyote]

yes

[spring moth]

good question 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That works

The damage is always the new dot

So if you have an unempowered dot, and you override with the empowered

You get the duration from pandemic and the damage from the empower

[languid moth]

Any puzzle box lovers in the chat?? Got my sim showing me using box after DM (before shiv). I don’t know why but that seems weird delaying shiv by that amount right?

I don’t feel like I should argue with sim but that feels wrong to me

Feel like it should be after rupture, before popping DM

[velvet bison]

!lariat

[balmy condor]

You should be, sim just pops it with Deathmark because it’s stupid and syncs all on-use the same

[limber lion]

This is what you want to do, but it doesn't change the fact that you hold the Shiv the exact same amount regardless of where you pop puzzle box lol.

[dense herald]

How do people love puzzle box I don’t get it

[limber lion]

Big deeps

[dense herald]

You stand still and channel

Damage aside it’s very boring

[balmy condor]

Number go up dopamine hit

[dense herald]

People frothing it

[languid moth]

Well I’m using it because it’s all I’ve got

[sharp cypress]

I was cursed with Puzzle Box and Grieftorch. Double the fun of standing still and channelling.

[limber lion]

Similar to Font of Power from bfa*. Feels shit to play, but big number make peepee bigger

[dense herald]

Grieftorch is what I’d call something satisfying to press over a 2s channel

[languid moth]

It does look pretty cool

[balmy condor]

People will praise the most degenerate shit as long as it increases damage, you saw it with edge of night bug abuse, deathly prepull

[languid moth]

Maybe I’ll get one…right guys?!

[dense herald]

But surely ‘feels like shit to play’ is enough to make people not ‘love’ it

This is true

[balmy condor]

LMAOOOOOOOO

Yeah

SURELY bro

[dense herald]

I forget we are degenerates

[balmy condor]

(Exsanguinate) really shit to play stuff (haste snapshotting with galecaller + vita) is enough to make people not love it (it’s the most beloved version of sin)

If Assassination didn’t burst for a bajillion in 8.3 people would have a very different opinion of the patch

[jade abyss]

We have some good m+ Sinstreamers here there not streaming from the US ?

[balmy condor]

Varas

Seli

Zerocool no, not you, stop

[oak sky]

💀

[indigo spindle]

@balmy condor First Key as Sin. 11 Nok, 52k overall. No tier set, outlaw geared. how is that?

[balmy condor]

Yeah looks reasonable

Bleeds on top, big aoe trinkets, some poison and single target stuff

Nothing really out of place

[indigo spindle]

I only have 32% mastery, which is roughly 1900

[balmy condor]

Sure

Those are numbers

[oak sky]

Isnt the kingsbane damage really low

[balmy condor]

In nokhud? Probably not

[oak sky]

I feel like mines usually 4th

[balmy condor]

I mean maybe a little

FOURTH?

No shot

[oak sky]

I just use it on cd

[indigo spindle]

First time playing Sin, wasn't really sure what i was doing

[balmy condor]

My kingsbane doesn’t even scratch fok usually

[oak sky]

I mean im not gonna say its always 4th but like its generally above trinkets i think

[indigo spindle]

Yeah i wasn't really noticing it of CD, every now and then id like. Oh shit its up

[oak sky]

Like im sure 4th isnt right but it still looks really low

[balmy condor]

Yeah I don’t think my kingsbane is that high, but I can check in a bit, I have a 16 nokhud in my details I think

[jade abyss]

Thank you

[oak sky]

Yeah i would verify how high mine is but i dont have my pc rn

[indigo spindle]

Is there a target count in cleave that you would try reapply garrote and ruputre?

[oak sky]

You garrote new targets on cd basically

And you want enough ruptures up that you cap on energy usually

[spring moth]

Marked for Death, Indiscriminate Carnage, Rupture, Vanish, then Garrote works?

you apply empowered garrote on up to 8 targets

[balmy condor]

Yeah, except the marked for death

[spring moth]

but you want Rupture to be 5 points no ?

[balmy condor]

You can just ER -> rup

Now it’s 7cp

Crazy

[past bobcat]

Is puzzle box really good on Sin? When would you use it?

[balmy condor]

Before dm

[spring moth]

sounds good 😄

[past bobcat]

We are doing mythic terros and thinking of switching to sin for the 35% ex

[balmy condor]

Usually I just do the faq opener, works good

[jade abyss]

What is the Number on ruptures for that? Btw i love the 7 cps ruptures in aoe

[limber lion]

Why?

There's no execute or anything on Terros

[past bobcat]

The extra damage sin gets when bosses are below 35% no?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you do less when bosses are above 35%

So

What’s the point?

[oak sky]

Uhhh im actually not positive but my guess is like 7

[past bobcat]

I thought sin ST higher than sub. I guess I should sim to see

[oak sky]

Like 7 total garrotes and ruptures

[balmy condor]

You probably should before swapping for 0 reason yeah

[glacial crypt]

Does Terros even have an enrage? :^)

Eranog*

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[glacial crypt]

Terros enrage is a cunt, know all about that lmao

[balmy condor]

No

[limber lion]

Where did Eranog come from

[balmy condor]

He was in the questline in the last zone

[glacial crypt]

I definitely misread something

[limber lion]

We talked about Terros, you asked about Terros then corrected to Eranog

[balmy condor]

He was like a commander or whatever

And then got empowered by a big fire dragon

[limber lion]

Someone's been paying attention to the lore

[glacial crypt]

I just love the boss so much!

[balmy condor]

I’m well read

[past bobcat]

Would you say sin or sub outperforms one another on terros or they are pretty even.

[balmy condor]

They should be roughly equal but sub is usually the better spec for raw single target

The difference shouldn’t matter though

[oak sky]

Whichever one youre personally better at and have better gear for will be the best for sure

[glacial crypt]

If you're confident on sub and you're simming higher, go for it

[chilly viper]

How do you check in logs if you over cap cp/energy ?

Can’t find it

[balmy condor]

Resource tab

Defaults to health

Just Hit the Drop down

Change it to combo point/energy

[chilly viper]

Thx 🙏

[spring moth]

i dont understand how Echoing Reprimand works with the 7 combo points

[balmy condor]

You push ER, now you have blue combo point slots

If you finish on those slots

The finisher is 7cp

[spring moth]

what do u mean if i finish on those slots

[oak sky]

Like it lights up 2 combo points 3 combo points and 4 combo points then if you finish at those values it counts like you had 7

[spring moth]

so essentially u press ER and then rupture and it should be 7 ?

i did that and i got like 10 seconds on the rupture

smt like that

hmm

ok i tried again and it worked it seems

gave me 31 seconds

checking something

[oak sky]

Do you have the resounding clarity talent

[spring moth]

not sure

[oak sky]

If you dont have that it only charges 1 combo point

1 of 2cp 3cp or 4cp

[spring moth]

no

so u get 7 only if you have RC ?

[grim jay]

Bro you never get 7

[balmy condor]

Okay

Let’s try this again

You press ER

You see on your UI how there’s blue combo point slots, yes?

[spring moth]

i used indiscriminate carnage with ER and rupture gave me 15 seconds

yea i see the blue cp

[balmy condor]

Okay

Which slots are they

2,3 and 4, right?

[balmy condor]

Just 3

Okay

[oak sky]

He doesnt have rc talented

[balmy condor]

So now if you finish

On 3cp

Which would be that empowered slot

The finisher will count for 7cp instead

[fading rover]

what should mastery/crit cap be?

[spring moth]

gave me 10 seconds rupture

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t exist

[grim jay]

No caps just

[fading rover]

so just keep pumping crit and mastery as much as i can?

[balmy condor]

No it didn’t, because you didn’t finish on 3, I still see the empowered combo point slot right there

[spring moth]

what do u mean finish on 3 ?

[oak sky]

3 combo points

[spring moth]

the cp is not there

it's bugged

[oak sky]

The charged combo point

[balmy condor]

The 3rd cp is empowered

[woeful meteor]

As long as your sims says more crit mast you go more crit mast

[balmy condor]

So you have to use a finisher

[oak sky]

Its a visual

[spring moth]

see my name is 0 cp and dummy is bugged

[fading rover]

where should i check for sims?

[grim jay]

You need to build up to the empowered cp

[oak sky]

The dummy has a visual bug

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t have the empowered cp

[spring moth]

i had it when i used rupture

[balmy condor]

Holy shit this is definitely one way to spend a Sunday night

[spring moth]

😄

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[balmy condor]

Do that

[oak sky]

Part of the idea behind resounding clarity is since it charges 2 3 and 4, no matter what you have combo points for a charged rupture because it generates 2, so even with seal fate you always land on 2 or 3 @spring moth

[woeful meteor]

Top Gear followed by Droptimizer, repeat with every new item

[oak sky]

But you need to talent into resounding clarity for that

[fading rover]

droptimizer being an addon?

[balmy condor]

It’s a sim type on raidbots

[mint tartan]

No, Droptimizer is a feature on raidbots

[dusk onyx]

Good morning, is DTB without Exs fine? I dont like KB and i dont like Exs but would play it in raid if it worth it. I only have 2 set pieces.
Other question: is there any situation where we would use instant poison?
I didnt play wow in shadowlands and now im a little overwhelmed by all those changes

[balmy condor]

Yes, no

[dusk onyx]

Ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[vestal cliff]

How much crit u guys have?

[balmy condor]

No clue

[vestal cliff]

If i use buzzing runes im on 39%

Is it to much?

[balmy condor]

Probably not

Maybe

Perhaps is

Could be

Could also not be

[vestal cliff]

XD

[balmy condor]

Just sim yourself man why you asking us

[vestal cliff]

I dont know how the whole simming thing works im fairly new to the whole game

Sorry

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[balmy condor]

Time to read

[grim jay]

The last sentence is important aswell if you are new

Depending on where else you read guides

[spring moth]

ok i get it how it works now

not so straight forward

and the description is confusing tbh lol

so if you generate more cp than the slot it wont trigger the 7cp

but if u land in one of the slots you're good

RC increases the chances to land on a slot

[velvet bison]

!lariat

[balmy condor]

It adds additional slots

[spring moth]

ok so it's kinda a bit of rng

[balmy condor]

Which means more 7cp finishers

[spring moth]

right

but u need to land on them

[grim jay]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[spring moth]

you can keep missing it but RC gives you more slots to hit

[balmy condor]

You got 45 seconds it’s not that bad

[velvet bison]

ah ty m8

[spring moth]

gotcha but not too reliable for an opener with IC

like IC 7cp rupture

[balmy condor]

Why not?

[vestal cliff]

What does the procs do?

[balmy condor]

You gar snd er rup

[spring moth]

i guess u gotta spend cp not using rupture or garrote

[balmy condor]

It says what stats it gives

[spring moth]

that could work

[vestal cliff]

Ah okay i understand

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s why the opener in the faq and every guide does that

[spring moth]

thanks for helping out 🙂 sorry if it took me a while to get it

[grim jay]

Whispyr too fast today. Cant keep up on my phone 😄

[limber lion]

By using ER at 0cp, you'll always guarantee that you'll land on an animacharged combo point. There's no rng involved in the opener.

[late veldt]

I learned a week ago that CT did instant dmg

ur good

[spring moth]

ah because it awards 2 cp

and gives the second slot as anima

[limber lion]

2-3-4 combo points, yeah

[spring moth]

i dont use RC

yet

so i got this out of first attempt

[balmy condor]

You should use it

[spring moth]

now i need to fill it

[limber lion]

Why not?

Literally no reason to not use it

[spring moth]

i will - im just trying to understand how it works

[limber lion]

ER gives you one animacharged slot between 2-4 combo points

RC animacharges all 3 of them at the same time

By using RC you kill the unnecessary rng that's involved

[spring moth]

ok so there is rng involved like i thought

but with RC there isnt

[limber lion]

Yes if you play ER by itself, which you never do

[spring moth]

ok so that was the confusion

cool thank you!

[trim zinc]

hes 68 prob doenst have the point for it yet

or idk

[limber lion]

Well okay, currently 2 points in Lethality sims marginally better for me than RC with the Kingsbane build, but it makes the gameplay that much more miserable that it's not worth it.

[spring moth]

i haven't setup my talents properly yet, still leveling

im playing around learning about them

passive talents ftw

😉

ok so IC works great now with ER + Rupture

thank you all, have a good night!

oh with RC you might be able to do Crimson Tempest after Rupture

looking forward to playing around with that tomorrow

[silk bane]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[trim zinc]

Hmmm how?

[balmy condor]

You can’t

[spring moth]

IC, RC, Rupture, Fan, Tempest

[trim zinc]

Ya that's why I was "asking"

[spring moth]

i mean ER

[balmy condor]

CRAZY

THATS THE OPENER

WILD

[trim zinc]

Dont forget to garrote

[grim jay]

Woah, where did you get that from @balmy condor ?

[spring moth]

yea after rupture

[trim zinc]

And follow the faq opner ^^

[trim zinc]

U do it before
To silence cuz ironwire

[balmy condor]

I made a blood pact with the demon korthanamus in order to get forbidden hidden knowledge

[spring moth]

oh so Scent of Blood would still empower the garrote ticks right ?

[trim zinc]

What u mean??

[spring moth]

if you use rupture after garrote

[trim zinc]

Hmm what's the problem with that??

[balmy condor]

Yes of course

[grim jay]

Appreciate your sacrifice. You offered him most of your sleep aswell, right ? 🧐

[spring moth]

no problem

[balmy condor]

That’s on me

[exotic robin]

Hello guys, wanted to ask. If I am at the boss that is already on its like 45% HP and I have my CDs ready (DM), do I use them or wait to its 35% of HP couse of our execute dmg?

[balmy condor]

Will you miss a cast because you held? If yes, don’t hold, if no, do hold

[formal herald]

Hello guys
130 days /playtime on my Rogue but never tried Assa. Now I‘m learning it for Raszageth HC and have some questions about the cooldown timings.

I learned the opener through the guides and the following CD timings.

• ER on CD
• Kingsbane on CD
• Deathmark on CD together with Vanish and the buffed garrot

My question is about Exsang. After the opener - where you can combine it with the buffed garrot as well, theres a cd of 3min. If I do the combined vanish and deathmark combo after 2min theres only 1min left to exsang. Should I wait for that timing or delay exsang for 1min to pair it with the third deathmark/vanish combo?

Thanks a lot guys!

[exotic robin]

Okok, thx!

[balmy condor]

Will you miss a cast because you held? If yes, don’t hold, if no, do hold

[trim zinc]

Did u copy paste it whispyr?? Lmao

[grim jay]

I see what you did there

[trim zinc]

That was a good move tho

[trim zinc]

Why just for raz hc??
Sin is super cool but why for raz?

[formal herald]

Well Exsang is every 3 minutes and Deathmark/Vanish every 2 right? 😃 so I have to either delay Deathmark and Vanish or Exsang i guess. Which one you should delay?

[balmy condor]

whichever will net you less lost casts

if it's a 4:30 fight, you would miss a cast of deathmark/vanish, but not exsang

so you hold exsang

[formal herald]

Because Raz is one of only two bosses where Assa is over Outlaw in the logs so far. Maybe just because less people play Assa though

[balmy condor]

if it's a 6:30 fight you miss both, so you don't hold any

if it's a 3:30 fight you miss a cast of exsang but not deathmark/vanish, so you hold exsang

[formal herald]

Aaaaah I got you. Never thought about it this way. Thanks a lot

[balmy condor]

the wisest words I have said all 2022 ring true today

"use brain"

[formal herald]

You don‘t have a use brain cd delay im Outlaw 😂 so I‘m not used to that kind of thinking 😂

[trim zinc]

OutLUL

[strange python]

The deeper answer beyond just "logs" is that rasz heroic early on in the tier has some damage windows that work well with sins toolkit

Being able to deathmark two of the shields is pretty big

[trim zinc]

U gotta hold it for shield don't u??

[formal herald]

Yeah and thats what we wiped on. So I wanted to try Assa

[grim jay]

I guess that will be a tattoomotive in the future, together with other popular quotes.
Use brain. - Whispyr 2022

[night delta]

? Hold exsang ?

[strange python]

Damage windows were super tight for us, but we progged it week 1

[subtle tundra]

i will fight you

[night delta]

What're you holding it for ?

[strange python]

So I did deathmark p1, shield 1, shield 3

[balmy condor]

typo, should hold deathmark

whatever