assassination

[cedar silo]

kindve sounds better and i wouldnt use the tier helm when i have all 5 pieces anyway

[limber lion]

Yeh the tier helm stats are cringe

Very heavy on Vers

Flaring Cowl gamers are based

[thorny pond]

Cev says craft it w/o ring?

[burnt star]

anyone remember when we are gonna be able to trade our item for tier piece

i vaguely remember week 5

[keen raven]

do we have any more news

on engi fail rate for bres

[brazen zodiac]

very based

"hi id like to give u 200k for niche combo ty"

sure!

[limber lion]

Flaring Cowl is still likely one of the better items you can get

The heroic tier helm is so much worse

[thorny pond]

say less

[limber lion]

I'm making one without having the ring

would recommend

I'll take that 1.2k dps anytime of the day

And slap an extra 1.3k on top whenever the ring drops

Say less

bingo bongo

sheesh

[spice spire]

Less

[gusty mirage]

got em

[thorny pond]

big stonks

blizz gonna nerf Cev when they see 90% of the rogues are wearing this dumb helmet

[violet moat]

the helm + ring make up for about 2%~ of my dps overall its not much

less than poisons

[gusty mirage]

2% = not much?

[keen raven]

Are you able to remove embelishments from gear?

[gusty mirage]

theorycrafters nut their pants when they find a 0.4% optimization lol

[burnt star]

crafting helm with 0 ring gives me 2.5% increase

[gusty mirage]

whats your existing helm

[burnt star]

and i have tier helm

[gusty mirage]

ilvl wise

[uneven summit]

is the reccomendation on weapon crafts till bronze grip?

[spice spire]

Something something not big at all

[burnt star]

398

[gusty mirage]

is your helm giving you 4pc?

[burnt star]

nope

[gusty mirage]

well thats why

[burnt star]

i mean idealy we wont want helm tier piece

anyways

[gusty mirage]

homie i'm taking any tier piece to complete my set

[burnt star]

so remove that from the variable

[gusty mirage]

removing that from the variable is spriest season 3 SL shit

[burnt star]

in the short term of thing sure

[gusty mirage]

"I can't have tier helm cuz I have to use a worse legendary"

[burnt star]

4 piece> everything else

but in 1-2 week ull be able to get that 4 piece on another slot

[gusty mirage]

ask @balmy condor about it

[dusky granite]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[thorny pond]

The FBI would like to know your location

[thorn fjord]

They already have it

[peak saffron]

grieftorch usage in openers?

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

ur gonna look very nice with ur flaring cowl

with the rank 5 quality symbol and the name badbttch next to it 😎

[limber lion]

Nope!

[brazen zodiac]

xD

NA gamer over here hehe

[uneven summit]

there a way to sim embellishments?

[rich scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[haughty jungle]

So is it better to have crit/mastery gems and have mastery proc or the other way around? Or maybe just have full crit and lose some stats?

[quaint dragon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[eternal vortex]

it was jan 23 i think

[winter gale]

How bis is manic grieftorch

for raiding*

[thorny pond]

p good

[winter gale]

With controller its a good combo?

[thorny pond]

technically BIS

[winter gale]

Great

[uneven summit]

Does bronze grip/Fang only work on OH i see alot playing it main hand cuz higher ilvl

[thorny pond]

You can have on either

[uneven summit]

fair

and Bronze vs. fang - still bronze yea?

[thorny pond]

It's so close, whichever. Generally fang is cheaper. Bronze is a little better

[uneven summit]

Thanks 🙂

[sand elm]

how much mastery are u guys rocking?

[thorny pond]

Whatever my sims tell me to

[sand elm]

cool but not what i asked 🙂

[limber lion]

You shouldn't be asking those questions in the first place

[flint pond]

How rare is very rare when it comes to eranog ring? Have the option to get it mythic version vault but I also have the heroic one and there are better upgrades it my vault. Just don’t know how rare the ring actually is

[sand elm]

what even out of general curiosity with nothing to do with using it as a metric?

[brazen zodiac]

eh idk ive killed it 3 times and seen it 3 times so

[sand elm]

screw me for taking an interest in people i guess

[limber lion]

What color socks are you wearing?

[sand elm]

not wearing any right now

[limber lion]

Pog

[thorny pond]

kinky

[limber lion]

I have 40% mastery

not that it matters at all

[sand elm]

cool thanks. no it doesnt matter

[limber lion]

neither does knowing your sock colors

[sand elm]

i was just wondering

[exotic parcel]

is it worth dropping your rupture for 1-2 sec to get an extra envenom in your shiv window?

[limber lion]

Yeh all good

[limber lion]

no

[sand elm]

not every question is from the perspective of needing to minmax

[limber lion]

It's pretty rare.

I've seen it drop once in like 9 kills or whatever

Actually more like 15 kills

[flint pond]

I should probably just grab the mythic one in my vault then

[sand elm]

my guild had it drop 3 times across normal and heroic over 2 weeks

then the dh who got the hc one gquit cos he didnt get enough loot :/

[brazen zodiac]

oh wow

[gusty mirage]

your miles may vary

with "rare"

"very rare"

we've dropped 6 in 2 weeks

lol

[flint pond]

Like I have the pants tier in vault that I need to keep 4pc and proc the ring so kinda indecisive atm. Might just wait to see what I get in raid or my weekly

[gusty mirage]

just wait for both

what you get in raid & weekly

exhaust all other options vs using your once a week choice

that may never come back around

[flint pond]

Tru

[devout anvil]

it's Vanish then Deathmark correct or was I doing it backwards?

[cedar silo]

how do you remove embelishment on wep?

[exotic parcel]

@devout anvil

[devout anvil]

ty

[fierce tulip]

is that accurate now for the bleed dtb build though, since we are taking the garrote talent

[distant mesa]

best time to pop[ the torch?

[rich scaffold]

which Garrote Talent?

[fierce tulip]

shrouded suffocation gives garrote 2 extra combo points, so with the bleed dtb opener im assuming its like the kingsbane opener minus the kingsbane

[exotic parcel]

i don't think DTB takes shrouded

[limber lion]

read again

He's talking about Bleed DTB

which takes all the bleed nodes

[limber lion]

Ya pretty much

[exotic parcel]

for M+

[gleaming geyser]

!whispye

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[exotic parcel]

tought he was talking about Raid

[rich scaffold]

More a fan of bleed dtb cuz 2x shadowstep

[fierce tulip]

is about raid, most recent sims have bleed dtb ahead in st for most people

just check the recent pin

[shut owl]

Is that due to 4p?

[obsidian beacon]

Is “very rare” loot new this expac? Why the diffy drop rates

[gusty mirage]

griftah sells an item that lets you do it

[rich scaffold]

We play Poison DTB with Exseng too?

[fierce tulip]

sims higher for me and i dont have 4piece

[gusty mirage]

seems like it, wish the zenith token would be accurately listed under "very rare"

[timber meadow]

is endgame bis trinket settup for st double on-use with torch + court trink?

[cedar silo]

ok so i did a new sim and the fire ring dropping embelishment on wep and flare cowl is on par with 4 set upgrade for me

about 200 dps different

[exotic parcel]

what is the 'best way to sim? Single target patchwork 3 min or 5 min?

[cedar silo]

5 min

[true thorn]

For those of you with the puzzle box, what do you find is the best time to use it?

[limber lion]

Just before Exsang/Deathmark

[jovial adder]

Is the boom trinket from raid any good?

[spice spire]

It does damage but it ain’t worth it

[timber meadow]

just macro cloak+evasion into and close your eyes

[subtle tundra]

it makes you use brain a lot more than i like

cant wait to replace it

[spice spire]

Planning defensives around a trinket is cringe tbh

Stepping helps

But fuck

[timber meadow]

any recs for dagger embellishment?

[spice spire]

Like tank pulls entire room before tree boss.
I wanna pop it. But my ass will die to seed

[subtle tundra]

nah you can pop cloak there

[spice spire]

Yeah cloak doesn’t last 10s

[subtle tundra]

yea you time it

after the last of the 3 seeds

[magic vine]

look you take cheat death for a reason

[subtle tundra]

thats what i mean it requires a lot of brain

[royal lantern]

next thing you tell me that cloak doesnt block all mechanics

[subtle tundra]

if you use it properly you cant die on that pull

[thorn fjord]

I lack this brain you speak of

[subtle tundra]

its ok

you can have infinite brain

but you cant infinite brain tank running away

[timber meadow]

any embellishment recs for dagger?

[dark token]

none

[exotic parcel]

is there any way you can change a setting in your dps meter whenever you vanish it doesn't reset your dps? (on a dummy)

[timber meadow]

@dark token fr? no embellishment for dagger

[dark token]

yeah

embellish neck/head

if ur just crafting dag now

[timber meadow]

yeah its just for oh, i mostly play outlaw

put my embellishment on my mh fist

how many embellishments are you allowed total?

[balmy condor]

put a fang on it

you're allowed 2

you can drop the fang for the helmet if you have diurna ring

otherwise do not craft a helm

most troll shit without the ring

[timber meadow]

diurna?

oh brood

right

[dawn kelp]

helm/ring + dagger simmed highest for me

[balmy condor]

this ring

is what does damage

the cowl is just the enabler

the cowl itself does fucking nothing

[timber meadow]

got it, yeah ill be getting that ring soon

but you said i can replace my embellishment later

[balmy condor]

ya

[timber meadow]

whats the helm embellishment that enables the ring?

is it some kinda fire dmg

[tranquil dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

tell that to the people comparing a 418 cowl to their 398 helm and acting surprised it's "such a big dps upgrade"

[brazen zodiac]

what a beautiful day to be a leatherworker

[timber meadow]

does lariat count as an embelishment even if we didn't actively put an embellishment on the lariat?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[timber meadow]

ah tricky okay

almost fucked myself lol

[balmy condor]

reading helps

if it says embellished

it's embellished

[strange python]

Puzzle box before deathmark or before pull

[oak sky]

Dm

[balmy condor]

people being unable to use brain for even 3 seconds

[oak sky]

😈

@gusty mirage do you have fang or grip wrappings

[gusty mirage]

fang

[brazen zodiac]

do u know how many people

[oak sky]

its just less rng right

[brazen zodiac]

how many people have asked me to put their fang on their cowl

[oak sky]

fang

[gusty mirage]

no, I just made my own fang

saved gold

[oak sky]

ahhh

[gusty mirage]

and I'm not paying 40k gold

for 0.3% more dps

[balmy condor]

I had a guy completing 2 piece using a 411 shoulders from vault dm me going "I thought 4p is 4%, why is it 5.5%"

[oak sky]

dude i have the pocket

[gusty mirage]

• whatever mats to recraft

[balmy condor]

when he was replacing

a 372 haste/mast shoulder

[gusty mirage]

lol

[gusty mirage]

it

's not even about the gold

[brazen zodiac]

oxi r u LW?

[gusty mirage]

ye on my rogue

but I bricked my LWing

so its whatever

[balmy condor]

I can teach people how to play or what to pick

I can't teach people how to think

[brazen zodiac]

howd u brick?

i promise u u cannot brick LW

[idle coyote]

They hated him for he told the truth

[gusty mirage]

can't craft shit worthwhile homie

besides r3 fangs

lmao

[spice spire]

Common young girth W

[peak bobcat]

Being broke is cool

As long as you’re at the top of the details meter during raid with your cool nickname

[exotic parcel]

What ilvl are you guys?

[peak bobcat]

404

But I got the shittiest vault of all time so put a socket on my ring

[balmy condor]

400

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor is the helm embellishment just something that does fire dmg to proc the ring?

[gusty mirage]

lol

[balmy condor]

yes

[exotic parcel]

395 currently

[brazen zodiac]

waht the

send ur spec tree

[gusty mirage]

gotta run to the store

but I dead ass bricked tf out of it

[brazen zodiac]

kk

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

nah theres no way

maybe u found a way

but

there should be no way LAMO

[gusty mirage]

no guaranteeing max rank shit

except fangs and armor kits

[thorny pond]

🪥 brush your fang

[shell kraken]

So whats the opener with Bleed DTB (2 Shadowsteps + Exsanguinate)?

[balmy condor]

same as kingsbane without the kingsbane

[shell kraken]

Same as Kingsbane build (but without KB)?

🙂

[balmy condor]

genius 10000 iq

[shell kraken]

😄

[cedar silo]

whats the DTB single target build with exang

[shell kraken]

check pun

pun

pin!

[next dune]

Pen

[exotic parcel]

Whenever you sim patchwerk 5 min, does it include a execute phase? Cause sim said i should hit 47k dps overal but i'm getting like 40+https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cVFgZSB5XcrkPHV6zWA3m7

[balmy condor]

yes

are you testing on a dummy?

[exotic parcel]

yes

[balmy condor]

okay

so why are you simming patchwerk

[fallen arch]

Sim dummy

[balmy condor]

and not the fight type literally called "target dummy"

[next dune]

[exotic parcel]

oh, guess i'm blind

[balmy condor]

seems kinda stupid to me

[fallen arch]

You got lust on a dummy

[uncut dragon]

Hey, my guild got the elemental lariat pattern, is it bis or close to bis? what 3 gems would you all throw in it? Current neck is a blue, no luck on m+/vault/raid

[balmy condor]

I add pi to my dummy sims, stop me

[thorny pond]

stahp

[balmy condor]

it's bis, there's a section on gems in the faq

[shell kraken]

Rotation "same" as Kingsbane also, but shiv on CD?

[cobalt hemlock]

wipe logs are probably not good huh. cuz im losing my mind not knowing wtf im doing wrong and my dmg is terrible

[royal lantern]

ye

shiv on cd

[cedar silo]

wheres the dude that removes embelishment on wep located?

[ruby lotus]

his name is Girftah and he resides @ the obsidian sanctum

Griftah*

[uncut dragon]

Griftah? dude sold me a lucky dragon's claw, dang thing didn't do anything. watch out for him

[shell kraken]

Do we use Deadly + Amplifying poison?

[limber lion]

Yes

[shell kraken]

Thx all

[thorn lynx]

Quick question, where can I find all the pandemic timers? I am looking through the guide and the faq and can't seem to find them

[limber lion]

It's 30% of the applied dot

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[thorn lynx]

Thanks, I completely forgot it was 30%...been a long day

[brazen zodiac]

thats good

do have u lots of multicraft?

u can multicraft rank2 and sell the r3s for like 24k and the r2s at 10k

u really cant go wrong with leatehrworking

[craggy basin]

stupid question, should i grab whispering icon because of rarity? or is it not that good for rogues? looks great on paper but seems to be beaten by more average items from my vault on all aspects of play when i sim

[hexed root]

DTB w/o exsang simming best for me. Hype: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tzf84TavHvuC5BAt4SXMt6

[balmy condor]

that's what you think

[hexed root]

I just ran all of the pinned sims. please teach me oh glorious whispyr

[spice spire]

Don’t

[timber meadow]

what are the big assasination rogues simmin yall

[hexed root]

the sim I just linked, had the 4 pinned specs

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's cause we recommend reasonable builds

wait homie only has 2pc

aight nvm

you're safe

[steel sorrel]

xD

[balmy condor]

with 4pc you get shit like DTB with all the bleed talents and exsang

but no cttc

absolutely mental dogshit

that no one will ever play

[limber lion]

Yeh 4p is where shit goes down

[steel sorrel]

no cttc, kill me pls

[timber meadow]

damn woulda thought my assa would sim higher, my outlaw is 70 and my assa only like 72

prob stat optimzation stuff but thoguht the gap was bigger

guess it's more of a dmg-profile decision than overall dmg

like 3k more with big burst is significant actually

[limber lion]

I've had A LOT of people dming me and asking me "why is the poison dtb build still the best for me" and the answer is always because they have 2p

[steel sorrel]

ST/dungeonslice? what talentbuilds? set pieces?

[timber meadow]

st/dragonblades/4pc

[steel sorrel]

Not alot to go on from you saing those num,bers xD

[limber lion]

Could be stuff like trinkets and whatnot. But yeh the gap isn't really that big at bis either

[timber meadow]

72 dslice : /

[prisma carbon]

Are alch/dmf trinkets trolling to use my spark on? Feel like I'm just gonna craft an outlaw weapon bc everything is kinda minor or would be replaced by grieftorch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aNVABB7JWmCgcW94hn4dp3

[timber meadow]

trinks would be omega trolling

[runic basin]

Is the KB opener the same like the DTB bleed Exang build?

[glacial crypt]

Fuck exsang and fuck Sennarth

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AmpB91Ydt8wcjzJV#fight=39&type=damage-done

[timber meadow]

damn i should sim kingsbane, we have really ismilar gear but your like 4k higher than me

[lusty surge]

About how much of a gain are people seeing with the 4pc no cttc build

[idle coyote]

@balmy condor I got my 4p today:)

[balmy condor]

I don't think people are seeing any gains with it

no one in their right mind would play it

[lusty surge]

Haha gotcha

[balmy condor]

I legit know of 0 people even considering playing it

[tacit pebble]

i'll play it on a sub 45 second fight

xd

[lusty surge]

Just trying to get a feel for how much higher it's simming

I'll assume it's marginal if no one is going after it

[idle coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

it's like 0.4% for me

[cedar silo]

is the DTB bleed build only when u get 4 piece or better with 2 as well

[balmy condor]

4

[timber meadow]

so kingsbane plays around a 1 min kb cycle basically?

[cedar silo]

ahhh i figured

[timber meadow]

like big dam every 1 minute

[balmy condor]

idk if its big

but yeah

[lusty surge]

Pretty interesting

[timber meadow]

aight should play around with it

[lusty surge]

I have a soft spot for goofy builds

Loved no-icelance frost mage in bfa

But this seems goofy in the wrong way hah

[balmy condor]

idk

I personally giga hate shit like this

[hexed root]

yea, high ilvl only 2piece andy QQ

[balmy condor]

where there's 25 different builds

[cedar silo]

is the thing i want from grftah the embellishment powder

[balmy condor]

and they're all within like 0.3%

and it depends on 7 different factors

it's so omega cringe

cause it's my job to tell people what to play

[lusty surge]

You have my sympathies

[balmy condor]

but I also have to sit here

[lusty surge]

As a theory crafter I'm sure it blows

Yea

[balmy condor]

and listen to people go

"hey this is 0.2% better"

like cold blood is beating echoing reprimand now in dslice

with kb/ic specifically

but only with 4 piece I think

[lusty surge]

Damn lol

[balmy condor]

because the CB -> CT is the final straw

I played 2 keys with it

[steel sorrel]

OMG WHAT; HOW HAVE I MISSED THIS???

[balmy condor]

did it do better?

no

did it do worse?

no

[steel sorrel]

no cttc and go CB, gotcha whispyboi

[lusty surge]

Why did blizzard have to make the talents so balanced am I right

[balmy condor]

I mean you can argue they're balanced

or they don't matter

[lusty surge]

Half full half empty heh

[timber meadow]

dude using puzzlebox + torch kms

[balmy condor]

If you got 30 talents

And they’re all like 1-2% per point value

Is it really surprising that you’ll get a billion builds that are all within about 1%

Probably not

But you won’t notice a 1% difference

Sims have to run thousand of fights to get that accurate

[glacial crypt]

can tell you for sure I'm going back to the non-exsang DTB build for as long as I can

[balmy condor]

And that’s in a sim vacuum with the same logic, every time

[thorn fjord]

This is what you were talking about last night

[balmy condor]

Ye

I mean I ran a sim for someone hold on

[glacial crypt]

The difference isn't worth it unless you know specifically why you're taking X Y or Z

[cedar silo]

do people really hate exang that much?

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[cedar silo]

dtb non exang barely has buttons lol

[glacial crypt]

I didn't think it was bad until sennarth prog

It's so shit

[balmy condor]

Here

5 iterations

6% error

[cedar silo]

i dont think its as shit as our 2 best trinkets being on use channel trinkets lol

[balmy condor]

That’s up and down

So let’s say you try CB

In 5 dungeons

Or you drop cttc for 5 pulls

Because it’s 0.3% higher

The sim on a static target with no human error and no mechanics

[timber meadow]

what's so rough about playing exanguinate? haven't really played with it at all

[balmy condor]

Can’t tell the difference between a 12% swing

And people be like “oh this is better for sure” after doing 3 dungeons

Like

Bruh

[paper pawn]

sorry if it has been asked and answered, cant find it
what is best to craft tomorrow after having crafted dagger + neck?

[balmy condor]

nothing

you wait to get a ring drop

and then craft helm

[glacial crypt]

The opener changes to be about 13~ or so GCDs which is a hell of a lot more than playing without. Don't know what other people dislike specifically but that alone was enough to annoy me

[paper pawn]

ring drop?

[balmy condor]

diurna ring

[idle coyote]

[paper pawn]

I see

[cedar silo]

the ring in top left

[raven hawk]

the problem with having so many talents that dont interweave well or dont mean shit

[cedar silo]

is what hes talking about

[north kraken]

weird flex LOL

[timber meadow]

@glacial crypt yikes

[next dune]

Exang felt way better last expansion simply because it was built in. Now it's just extra garbage that feels clunky imo

[glacial crypt]

?

[cedar silo]

for me the only bad thing about exang is doing it in a puzzle box snapshot feels very clunky

other than that using it on its own feels normal

[timber meadow]

yikes

that doesn't sound fun

[cedar silo]

that opener but add puzzle box before exang death mark lol

[next dune]

Heh or the "oops, I guess it didn't fire off before I hit death mark LOL!" moments

[glacial crypt]

forgot I typed LOL sorry

[cedar silo]

@next dune yep lmao

waiting for the channel dodge a mechanic forget to exang and than u wanna off urself lol

[runic basin]

It‘s 1.5%.. You don't have to play it, as whysper said you can play anything at the moment

[next dune]

Which of course you smash it anyway because ya damn right

[cedar silo]

once i finally get this wep recrafted properly i can finally do a bunch of sims to see what builds doing best for me

[timber meadow]

hmm feel like i should sim higher - trinket issue? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w3gu9BrpvcaMtyUk7hJZBA

[cedar silo]

well ur missing CoS ring

that would bump you up

you lucky ducky with ur 4 piece tho im jealous lol

[distant mesa]

best time the Maniac Grieftorch?

[timber meadow]

yeah trinket and cos ring would be significant

[reef frigate]

When should i use puzzlebox and grieftorch? puzzle before opening and grief after?

[balmy condor]

puzzle before dm

grief after cds

[reef frigate]

Ok, thanks

[lusty surge]

So if I wanna try a nonstandard build like cb over er, best course of action is to run a sim and just read the apl generated to grok the logic yea?

[distant mesa]

ty

[supple snow]

with phial of corrupting rage, do we lose the crit buff when the rage comes out?

[brazen zodiac]

3 tier pieces in my vault

[solar stirrup]

guys one question, when i use 5 combo point for slice and dice?

during the fight

[trim zinc]

u only snd on pull, and never let it drop with cttc envenom

and dont need to be 5cp

[dawn kelp]

the original dtb build sims like 800 dps higher for me

[solar stirrup]

oh ty

[dawn kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c4rcMDYwhN5x45NAVGUr3y Exanguate

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8bc3mN6R4uST2kwq2m43M9 no exanguate

[midnight vortex]

and both dtb builds sims lower than kingsbane for me

[subtle tundra]

its almost like your gear affects your sims!

wow

[midnight vortex]

insane right?

[subtle tundra]

who would've thought

[exotic parcel]

Do you guys try to to min max ur Thistle tea to use whenever you refresh your bleeds for the mastery increase or do you just use it whenever ur low energy / wanna spam lots off envenoms in shiv window + ER

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage i am now Personal Crafter Badbttch

what a BASED ass title HOLY fuck

500 personal orders zzzz

[dawn kelp]

damn bro thats crazy!

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/this-post-contains-misinformation-pausebeforeyoushare-misinformation-fake-news-lies-gif-22088420

[peak basin]

I crafted sword b/c I was going to play outlaw but am switching. Should I craft dagger or neck for my 2nd spark?

[woven ruin]

The limit on saved talent builds is totally something blizzard would mess up.

[timber meadow]

you have 3 sparks so you can still mkae a dagger and lariat

after crafting outlaw wep

[buoyant depot]

Noobie question I am new to Assassination I see there are 2 raid builds and m + build is there one thats a bit better?>

Or are they roughly the same

[peak basin]

Is there anything important beyond crafting weapon + neck? Wondering if 3rd spar is important

[north kraken]

helmet if u have the raid fire proc ring

[gusty mirage]

sheesh

[royal lantern]

it makes more or less 0 difference

like, 1 set use in the opener

after that its "low energy? tea"

[brazen zodiac]

i feel cool

i feel JC mass crafting rank 5 lariat kinda cool

[gusty mirage]

nah

you're cooler than lariat crafters

[brazen zodiac]

and my commission is free hehe

whats up with everyone wanting the venom steep stompers

damn i thought i bricked specing into decay shit but ig not lmfao

[torpid orchid]

I know healers like that item

[restive falcon]

is the raz trink actually good or nah, i got that form my 4 m0 chest, it says its +600 but idk if its actually good

[balmy condor]

the storm?

[restive falcon]

yea, i simmed it but idk if its actually good or a sim trap

[balmy condor]

thing is dogshit

[restive falcon]

im using puzzle/bottle of winds

[timber meadow]

hey just went into a normal terros pug cuase im gonna be playin assa a lil bit in raid- anyone able to do a log review? its not much but at least will give me some general ideas.. i think i got the basics down

[balmy condor]

I'm surprised it's even simming higher for you

[restive falcon]

yea from what my boomy friend said it kills u basically so its not worth

[timber meadow]

i guess here's the log if anyone wants to peek

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jc9VvXF3dqZhbY8w/#fight=166&type=damage-done&source=21

[restive falcon]

i thought about testing it in a key at least for outlaw but def not gonna test it in raid as assass

[limber lion]

ANOTHER case of someone using 2p

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"Wtf guys this bleed build sims less than my poison build, even though I have 2p tier set WHICH INCREASES THE POISON DAMAGE BUT NOT THE BLEED DAMAGE of the spec"

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8K1mLLf2v1c1LLmXh99YaA @balmy condor

bait

[timber meadow]

xD

the builds sim literally identical for me - like 10 dps off but mostly cause i dont even have puzzle trink yet

anyoine know how I can just see, visually, in a log where my garrote/rupture etc fell off?

oh nm i got it

[peak bobcat]

Do we send exsang on CD?

[limber lion]

Honestly just sync with Deathmark

[timber meadow]

man assa opener feels smooth af with er

[craggy basin]

hey sorry im late to the convo but i saw someone bring it up. i also got the spiteful storm trinket from my weekly quest. currently using puzzle box and that. ive got either 2p option in vault (keep current trinkets) or whispering incarnate trinket. SIMS say 2p is way better than the icon but not sure if the spiteful storm is a simtrap or not

[heavy roost]

The storm one where you can’t move kills you all the time

[lusty nacelle]

Grieftorch is the one you can't move

[heavy roost]

Grief is right

[lusty nacelle]

that was the trinket I just picked up from the weekly quest

[molten timber]

The Dathea trinket is 10 sec immobile. Grief makes you channel for 2 seconds. Waaay different.

[lusty nacelle]

literally came here to ask where that should fit into the rotation

oh, dathea does immobilize you

can you still attack, or is it a channeled like the grieftorch?

[molten timber]

You can still attack normally. Just cannot move for 10 whole seconds. And no, you cannot cancel it.

[craggy basin]

thats the trinket im talkign about

[night delta]

sounds like bad times

[molten timber]

It hecking SLAPS, especially on AoE, but it is super risky to use, especially in raids where you might get a mechanic that needs to move.

[limber lion]

Spiteful Storm is bad, Icon is super good if you have Healer/Tank with it as well

2p is obviously very good

[night delta]

I mean, on many dungeon bosses, 10 whole seconds of not moving also sounds like a death sentence tbh

[craggy basin]

it out sims the icon but i see icon on bis list and not storm thats why i was asking lol

thanks @limber lion

[dawn kelp]

God I’m a rookie

[lusty nacelle]

where do we fit this into the rotation? do we take master assassin and just hit in on pull for the 30% crit?

[limber lion]

All good brother.

[limber lion]

If only Master Assassin worked on trinkets, but it doesn't.

[night delta]

I assume whenever you have a stat amp (~~agi ~~/ crit / vers)

[limber lion]

So you just set up all bleeds then use it just before Exsang/Deathmark.

[small meteor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[night delta]

also be sure to setup your raidmates to die for extra dps

[oak pulsar]

the very last talent build in pin is broken is that just the kingsbane execute single target in the FAQ

[limber lion]

Yes

[supple topaz]

Trinket doing 20% of my dmg in prog raids making me feel good about myself.

[fathom flax]

are ass embells lariat neck + bronze wrappings dagger

or is the helm+ eranog ring combo also good for ass

[teal iris]

bis for every melee dps i think?

weapon embellishments are kinda ass in comparison

it was just good the past weeks since we could only craft 2 crafted pieces anyway

[oak pulsar]

ty

[regal hamlet]

eranog ring or tier gloves from vault? both 408, ive got lariat and dagger already

i figure ring may be better long term but i still need tier

[dawn kelp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[outer cairn]

after opener, do we use puzzle box on cd or try to line it up with our 6 min DM if the fight goes that long? Knowing that it probably won't last that long, I assume just use it on CD then

[keen spruce]

That's a nice reward for doing 4 dungeons

we guzzlin

[solid citrus]

fire ring worth taking from the vault ?

[keen spruce]

if you plan on eventually ahving mythic daggers and crafting a flaring cowel

but if it's an upgrade on it's own then why not

[rocky ruin]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[late birch]

On the Bleed DTB (2 Shadowsteps + Exsanguinate) build thats pinned do we use the same opener in the assa FAQ under kingsbane and just ignore pressing the kingsbane part?

[limpid quest]

Hi can someone tell me if amplifying or deadly poisen should be on main hand?

[teal bloom]

when you apply a poison, it gets applied to both hands. Use amplifying when talented

[rocky ruin]

^

[teal bloom]

and both amplifying and deadly with DTB

[rocky ruin]

except in aoe sitautions, i think deadly is stronger in aoe

but sim

[limpid quest]

ty

[rocky ruin]

this is a think so best is just sim :D

[plain jewel]

so I'm looking at all the different builds in the sims, and for me, the old DTB build without exsang sims the highest. I only have 2 set. Is that normal.

[rocky ruin]

what do u take instead of exsang?

[sand elm]

is the same for me. just work best with what u sim highest

i suspect it might change with 4 set

[spice spire]

Yes

[plain jewel]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too

[fathom arrow]

what are the best rogue spec for normal and herioc raid ?

i am new as rogue

[timber meadow]

all of em basically

[rocky ruin]

^

find a fun one and go pew pew

[fathom arrow]

with one of the 3 spec are the easyeast for rogue for normal and herioc

[rocky ruin]

i enjoy sin, and its relatively easy to start with assassination, just keep ur dots up

if u want to be top parsing it gets more complicated

[fathom arrow]

sin = assanation ?

[rocky ruin]

yes

assasSINation

[fathom arrow]

ok

are hekili or maxdps any good to use for it ?

[rocky ruin]

not sure

[fathom arrow]

ok

[rocky ruin]

last i tried hekili it wasnt great

[hexed root]

not 4pc problems:

[fathom arrow]

with one of these 2 are the the easyest to learn ?

[obtuse latch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[regal hamlet]

the second, you have less buttons to press

[fathom arrow]

ok

so the opener with dragon tempered ?

[bleak eagle]

What phials are you guys using for raid?

[limber lion]

Tepid Versatility always

[fathom arrow]

is this all the dots i need to keep up

[bleak eagle]

ty

[winter gale]

How are things going now, I have crafted dagger and neck. Where should I spend 3rd Spark and the ones coming in the future?

[true rapids]

When do you pop puzzlebox in the opener?

[limber lion]

Numbing and Doomblade kinda happen on their own, don't matter at all

But yeh

[fathom arrow]

is that a mod that just typed 😮 ?

[balmy condor]

why is that surprising

[lone creek]

i was told there's 3 different DTB builds that are viable depending on sims, but don't see these talent setups. am i looking over them?

[balmy condor]

there's like 5 actually

[lone creek]

no pls i cant take it... my feeble heart

[balmy condor]

basically just bleed talents vs poison talents, and then exsang at the top

[limber lion]

Kinda depends on how much tier you have

[lone creek]

4p

[limber lion]

Yeh you're fucked

[lone creek]

is there a way to just sim the whole tree and see what sims highest LOL

[limber lion]

I wish, but unfortunately not

[dense herald]

Wait really? I’m struggling to find this in the faq or guides, I keep seeing elemental chaos

[limber lion]

Where have you seen Elemental Chaos?

[dense herald]

In icy veins and wowhead lol

[balmy condor]

ele chaos is equal

[hexed root]

how valuable is 4pc? like... if 4pc was better at lower ilvl, droptimizer would still say so right? or is it just considering the gear and it's stats?

if that makes sense

[limber lion]

Droptimizer shows you the value of the tier set if you complete 2p or 4p with a single piece.

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

So if you don't have any tier, it will only show you the value of the item itself

Just the stats of it, not the tier effect

[hexed root]

so I have 2 pc and normal raid isn't showing any

[limber lion]

If you have 1 tier piece, it will show you the gain you'd get from 2p

[woeful meteor]

Droptimizer looks at current gear meaning unless you have 3 set low ilvl Tier wont look good

[hexed root]

hm

[limber lion]

Exactly, because you're looking at 3p

Which does nothing

[hexed root]

gotcha

so 4pc even normal ilvl still worth ya?

[limber lion]

If you had 3p and did droptimizer, it would show you massive gains for tier items

Yes

LFR 4p is worth

[hexed root]

appreciate you

[dark token]

This is why I equip mythic 4pc tier on my char before droptimizing

[limber lion]

You can do Gear Compare instead to get a better idea

[dark token]

Like for m+ etc

[limber lion]

You can just add 2 pieces of normal tier on Gear Compare and see how much you'd get

[sonic schooner]

Just a quick question, kinda wanna try sin on keys. Which template should i use? I see a KTB one and an IC/ KB one. Mostly for things like 18-20 range 👀

[balmy condor]

ic/kb this week

[sonic schooner]

Thanks 💜 I ll give it a shot then

[wide halo]

If I'm using DTB without sang and have a 2 piece set is the suggested dtb opener still optimal? Or does that take into account 4 piece bonus?

For single target

[balmy condor]

the dtb opener in the faq is actually optimal for everything except 4pc

[wide halo]

ahh ok perfect. thanks!

[ebon notch]

What about with 4 piece

[distant mesa]

randomly being dc'ed from trading

[ebon notch]

Happened when I had full inventory

Dcd both of us

[distant mesa]

thank you

[weak horizon]

@balmy condor what happened to ceverions pin with the exsang dtb build?

[balmy condor]

he removed it

too confusing

[brazen zodiac]

good thing i saved em before hand rip

[oak sky]

bro i needed that rn so i could find the dtb bleed build

[neon burrow]

Good question

[turbid harbor]

I posted a sim of my character earlier today with some of the builds, might be useful for you: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

no you fucking didn't

[oak sky]

i was gonna sim it

at least

[brazen zodiac]

[oak sky]

vs dtb normal

i just wanted to see

[brazen zodiac]

thats how it starts agreon

[thorny pond]

I have the cev build

pst for secrit DPS strats

[lament warren]

bring back 45s exsang

[rocky ruin]

in raid do we save Thistle teas? if so what for?

[balmy condor]

brother no shot you're an assa otp and don't know how to make a bleed build

it's literally just running down the right side

[oak sky]

well no like

idk which things we were giving up for exsang and shrouded

is it just flying dagger thing

and no venom rush/ 2shiv

[balmy condor]

you just....

you drop the poison nodes

[oak sky]

thats 3

and gives you

scent and shadowstep

[balmy condor]

yah

[oak sky]

er

not scent

you know what i mean

[balmy condor]

so you get that

[oak sky]

i wasnt sure about shrouded and exsang

[balmy condor]

and then the only thing you can drop on the bottom is zold

[oak sky]

oh wait

[balmy condor]

so you drop zold

[oak sky]

ok

ok

[balmy condor]

and now exsang

the most cringe tech

which is why it's not recommended

[oak sky]

drop cttc

[balmy condor]

there ya go

[oak sky]

right

[sonic schooner]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

❤️ exsang

[oak sky]

yeah im just lazy

whispyr proving once again he cant teach people to think

but it was mostly like i wanted the best build right away since im in raid so i could see if i wanted to play it

[empty hinge]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[strange python]

What happened to Cevs pin on builds

[oak sky]

scroll up

[limber lion]

I made the pin because I was getting asked the same question every day, but the pin turned out to be a bit of a ramble post instead

I tried reading through it myself and got uninterested halfway through

Whispyr will make better, shorter pin later on without the old man rambling

[thorny pond]

I hung on every word like the last drop of water in a barren, desolate desert

[sonic schooner]

Bring back bleed dtb exsangu

🥺

[balmy condor]

you're actually the reason I have anger issues

[sonic schooner]

[limber lion]

Summary:
0p play whatever
2p play DTB with poison nodes
4p you're stuck with no cttc and exsang for the rest of your life, get bent idiot

[balmy condor]

I actually started fucking rage typing in my fucking head reading that

holy fuck

[sonic schooner]

i actually hate exsangu, not like i hate the button itself, but all the shit arround it omg

Like the opener, garr snd garr rupt kyr rupt

Like please

[bleak eagle]

might be dumb question but whats cttc?

[idle coyote]

Snd extender

[neon burrow]

Cut to the chase

[bleak eagle]

thx

[idle coyote]

Okay post the 4p build

[weak isle]

Whispyr wants to cut other things instead of the chase

[idle coyote]

Just poison app for CTTC

[balmy condor]

yeah, myself every time some clueless normal raider comes into chat to ask which of the 400 builds they should use and why with paragraph explanation about the pros/cons of each

[limber lion]

Which one?

DTB build with bleed nodes and Exsang
DTB build with bleeds nodes but no Exsang
DTB build with poison nodes and Exsang
DTB build with poison nodes but no Exsang
DTB build with bleed nodes and Exsang but no CTTC
DTB build with poison nodes and Exsang but no CTTC

[boreal cloud]

DTB is the better build because you have 2 less buttons /thread

there, I said it

[teal bloom]

9.0 flashbacks from no CTTC

[weak isle]

Feel you... stay strong king

[lament warren]

DTB build with bleed nodes and Exsang but no CTTC
DTB build with poison nodes and Exsang but no CTTC

these two for sure

[timber meadow]

dont cut yourself homie - all is good

[weak isle]

Can always join the sub-side and enjoy just 1 build

[sonic schooner]

Wsnt it in 9.0 that we had to reapply snd every 30 seconds

[summer tinsel]

How is sin in m+?

[teal bloom]

In 9.0 you pressed envenom every 2 minutes because you had no energy and combo points were used for snd and rupture kekw

[sonic schooner]

i actually hate this so much let s get rid of exsang and it will be fixed

[boreal cloud]

sin felt pretty good in tyra m+ this week but falls off if shit lives long

the extra ST is pretty nice for some dungs/bosses

compared to outlaw that is*

[weak isle]

Play subt and u have both

[balmy condor]

but not optimal, doesn't drop cttc

drop cttc and ip for ls and vr

big

[sonic schooner]

Ok i ll play sub

[oak sky]

exsang is +.2% on me

thats not playable

[oblique tangle]

Just got a Vak'kyr ascension signet, m+ ring with the crit and mastery. Heavily debating dumping my valor into upgrading it

Maybe socketing it? Y'all think that's worth my time?

[balmy condor]

you either do that + signet

or diurna + signet

[oblique tangle]

Which one is signet?

[balmy condor]

cos

[oblique tangle]

Ah

the AA one right

[balmy condor]

yes

[oblique tangle]

The one I can't ever fucking get

>:(

[strange python]

Dropping cttc was -700 for me thank god

[idle coyote]

You have hurt my head, getting 4p was a curse upon my family

[teal bloom]

Suffering from success

[junior rampart]

CoS ring any good for sin? I have to choose between hunger pack trinket and CoS ring from vault.

[strange python]

Every build I'm simming right now is doing worse than the existing Dtb build

[viscid spear]

[outer cairn]

4p finally and damn it made the dmg jump. also wants me to play KB

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71byhqAkey78UchGqvqmMg

[balmy condor]

I wish my vaults were that good

[mystic marten]

when should we use pots now?

[gusty mirage]

with deathmark

[balmy condor]

it's like

[mystic marten]

tyty ❤️

[balmy condor]

you know what

no

nvm

[mystic marten]

totally forgot that was on the opener sheet I'm stupid

[gusty mirage]

I'm also stupid

[shut owl]

yo, just wanted to say thanks again to folks here for helping out. I've gone from statistically the worst sin rogue to marginally okay over three weeks XD

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

GAMER

[shut owl]

look at this terros lol

[gusty mirage]

ay purple parsing isn't marginally okay

that's a damn good parse

you're doing great

😄

[shut owl]

I care more about ilvl parses in general

but my ilvls a bit jank

cuz I've got a sustaining alch trinket, meh weapons, and 2p XD

raid finally saw their second rogue token tonight

didnt get it cuz we have 5 million evokers lol

[rocky ruin]

what build for dathea H? still full ST or go m+?

[limber lion]

Full single target my guy

Don't do platforms.

[shut owl]

I'm also old CE so not seeing purple at least has been very saddening for me lol

[limber lion]

Just full blast boss

[rocky ruin]

is that an option?

[bleak eagle]

it up to guild

[limber lion]

I would hope so

[pastel onyx]

[limber lion]

I'm not doing platforms ever.

[rocky ruin]

i get to do no platforms :D

[balmy condor]

as you should

sin rogue on platforms

is uh

whack

[shut owl]

^

tell your RL to let you tunnel, and all will be right with the world

[strange python]

I'm v curious to see these new builds. I've tried simming a few iterations of what I imagine them to be, and I'm still seeing it underperform the previous build. Yes, have 4pc

[plush cedar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[pastel onyx]

My timezone ruins my opportunity to raid

[rocky ruin]

rip

[brazen zodiac]

i said this once and i got gkicked

very based

[rocky ruin]

goofy rl

[outer cairn]

puzzle box before exsang>dm yes

oh nm. its after er

[shut owl]

should I be rolling CT in my st rotation? the guild's got such shit aoe that we wipe to adds if I dont take it on raz lol

[solid citrus]

how rare is the fire ring? have it in my vault

[balmy condor]

if you're wiping to adds on raz I have bad news for you for later in the fight

[true lark]

shoudld i be typicallyg opening with garrote (buffed ambush) then go into a combo point spend? im trying to figure out a way to do this with ambush being on the same keybind as my in combat envenom

[balmy condor]

if you're playing with shrouded, yes

but I'm not sure how ambush would interfere with that

you're not going to be casting envenom until your bleeds are up

so your opener should work fine

[outer cairn]

gotta adjust to playing kb exsang. not sure where best to spend tea

[balmy condor]

you use tea the same way

[rocky ruin]

how do u use tea in full ST?

save or use on CD basically

[outer cairn]

well for dtb i was starving right before shiv and popping it. but now saving both shivs

[balmy condor]

you use for energy

if 100 energy

[true lark]

right now my envenom and ambush are on the same keybind yeah i want to drop stealth with the garrote, but stil hit the ambush out of stealth, but maybe i dont need to do that

[balmy condor]

then you tea

[balmy condor]

but why

what opener recommends opening with ambush

[true lark]

i open with garrote, then figure i shoudl hit an ambush, but maybe i dont need to, what shoudl i use

[outer cairn]

I'm typically popping it when I'm starved

[balmy condor]

how are you going to be hitting ambush

[outer cairn]

trying not to burn through all the charges though

[balmy condor]

after hitting garrote

[true lark]

isnt there a talent that keeps your stealth req uses avail for 3 seconds or should i avoid that

[balmy condor]

subterfuge?

[true lark]

yeah is it garbage

[balmy condor]

i don't know any builds that take it

it doesn't do anything for us

[true lark]

also just mesing aroudn but is a tauren rogue stupid? 🙂 haha

[limber lion]

I got a socket from my vault :D lmao

[balmy condor]

races don't matter

tauren is fine

as is every other race

[wide ridge]

pagman giga upgrade

[woeful oak]

Maghar orc?

[balmy condor]

you even responded to my message

clearly you read it

what in gods name compelled you to ping me anyway

[true lark]

tauren animations dont see to be to bad

[wide ridge]

is it known what we will need to craft tiersets? ive heard somwhere we'll need sparks to get them, idk if it's true

[balmy condor]

no cost

is what I've been told

[split grail]

Did they make some sin changed I missed this week? All the sudden I'm finding myself needed to use tea a lot more often and I seem to be doing less dps

[brazen zodiac]

thats be miserable lol

[limber lion]

Nope, nothing

[fallen raven]

i believe it's separate to sparks, they've said it's a thing where you do content and all your characters get charges

[balmy condor]

yeah they removed baseline energy regen from the game, really unlucky cause you can't level as rogue anymore because the first 5 levels you can't get any energy

[pastel onyx]

werent there new talents setups from cev in pinned yesterday

[brazen zodiac]

participate in the hunt for a spark

[pastel onyx]

am I trippin

[strange python]

Okay I give up on these no-cttc builds. I've simmed everything imaginable and it's always a downgrade

[balmy condor]

pin got removed because their cringe and not really recommended, we'll make a new pin eventually

[pastel onyx]

gotcha

[pure skiff]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[split grail]

For real? Can't tell if this is sarcasm

[balmy condor]

unlucky, I made the most unbelievable change imaginable and it wasn't good enough

[pastel onyx]

tfw when u live cet+5 and normal raiding time is too late, and the only daytime guild u found raid too early for u

[fallen raven]

When the Catalyst becomes available in Dragonflight Season 1, there will not be a new currency. Instead, there will be a weekly quest that simply requires doing the same sorts of group content that provide you with Catalyst-eligible gear in the first place. Notably:

All characters on your WoW account can contribute progress towards completing this quest.
Completing the quest awards 1 charge to all current and future characters on your WoW account.
Each of your characters can spend charges individually.

basically just do m+/raid/pvp and you'll get the catalyst charges

no more whatever the 9.2 currency was that i've already forgotten

[pastel onyx]

cosmic

flux

[lament warren]

i won't be able to just log in and upgrade an item

[steel sorrel]

I go to sleep for 3 hours and all hell break lose? 😱

[outer cairn]

well luckily for me, the kb build is simming the highest so no cringe for me

[south pollen]

in raid when adds comes out which trinket should i use? whetstone or manic grieftorch?

[outer cairn]

can you link this?

[grizzled ruin]

@balmy condor i have a 421 diurna at vault-what u think recraft dagger remove embelisment and craft head and get ring?

[fallen raven]

huh the link in all the articles is dead, i guess cause the beta forums are closed now

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1354609-feedback-dragonflight-season-1-class-sets/#303

[balmy condor]

yes

[grizzled ruin]

aight thx

[outer cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

Whetstone or buzzing rune. Sin not showing either for some reason

[balmy condor]

buzing

[brazen zodiac]

its easy

[dark token]

zzzzz

[brazen zodiac]

just get all those

[outer arrow]

Are log reviews ever coming back?

[lament warren]

can't you still just ask for log reviews

[balmy condor]

where did the log reviews go?

we have 21 active log reviews in this channel right now

[outer arrow]

i remember the other day whisp saying he was too bussy

oh shit

didnt knew

[balmy condor]

yeh, helps that I'm not the only person on the planet

[outer arrow]

you are for me ❤️

jokes aside, thanks for the clarification, will get to it soon-ish

we use a moroes command for that, right?

[balmy condor]

yeh !logs

[marsh rover]

Hey, some videos I see rogues have a queue on their screen for skills to press. Is that an addon or WA? And is it for all specs? And how accurate is it?

[shut owl]

I'd imagine its a weakaura probably showing their upcoming cds?

[outer arrow]

probably Hekili

[dark token]

nah

its just details streamer plugin

[true lark]

is outlaw totaly boring vs ass

[marsh rover]

It seems to be telling them what buttons to press and shows like 5 buttons into the future

[balmy condor]

that is an action tracker

that tracks what they cast

streamers use it all the time

[marsh rover]

Ohhh, so it just shows what they have already pressed, and not what they should be tapping next

Sounds good thanks

[balmy condor]

correct

especially if they're like

higher level rogues

[brazen zodiac]

gamer rogues