assassination

[steel sorrel]

Had a sub rogue in guild try assa and litteraly do thiz and then ask me why dmg was so low on assa...

[balmy condor]

yeh

turns out playing bad means your damage sucks

[steel sorrel]

Well thats true on me too, just not as bad as that 👍🏻

[fallow canopy]

for lariat we want the agi+crit gem plus 2 senseis something (big crit and mast) right?

[steel sorrel]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[fallow canopy]

thank you

[balmy condor]

there's also a gem section in the faq

[steel sorrel]

^

[fallow canopy]

completely missed it, thanks for your hard work mr whisperino

[balmy condor]

np

[steel sorrel]

I just realised that the sims use versa pot as standarn 🤯

[balmy condor]

they do ye

the best phial with no uptime requirements

[steel sorrel]

Makes sense, now I gotta sim all the phials also 🤭 I am pleb

[gusty mirage]

is it shit on daps hour?

@ebon notch

[oak sky]

@ebon notch appreciate you dawg stay up king

[ebon notch]

:S

[true thorn]

how good is decoration of flame the trinket?

[spice spire]

@ebon notch don’t let the haters get you down

[storm onyx]

is there a command to define boss uptime in sims? like 90 -85% etc?

[gusty kestrel]

always

[raven mica]

@true thorn that’s a tank trinket

[balmy condor]

terrible, it's a tank trinket

[weak horizon]

Okay but what tier? I need trinket tier list.

[gusty kestrel]

U TAKE THAT BACK

[balmy condor]

F

it's the shit of the shit

[gusty kestrel]

its unironically not completely awful if u need the shield aswell in keys

[weak horizon]

Excellent, thank you sir. I can now go to sleep happy with my tier list.

[balmy condor]

healer issue

[gusty kestrel]

yea healer issue when pre nerfed butterflies just global you

100-0

[drifting cloud]

skill issue

[balmy condor]

yep

healer should've external'd

unlucky

[gusty kestrel]

i mean i lived!

others didnt

[weak horizon]

Yeah, no if healer don't pi me it's over

[gusty kestrel]

having priest healers in keys

[drifting cloud]

isnt holy decent

better than rsham, mw not sure about hpal

[sweet pond]

Easiestrogue spec mythic +

[cloud moat]

The spec you're the most accustomed to

[weak horizon]

Ayuh

If you have similar levels of proficiency in all of them then I would say outlaw since outlaw m+ playstyle is probably the smallest deviation from the st playstyle

But for me I've always been a sin player so outlaw isn't as easy for me as sin is. So what tooshka said is the biggest thing initially

[sweet pond]

I’m new to rogue entirely

[cinder kite]

Currently my stats are pretty stacked with Crit/Vers for Outlaw, would sin with bad stats be preferable still for single target/raids over Outlaw? Or wait to get some better stats first?

[tulip tendon]

Does Assassin dummy take into account the damage buff when below % of health?

[balmy condor]

whats an assassin dummy

[tulip tendon]

SOrry

[balmy condor]

probably fine

[tulip tendon]

I meant when hitting the dummy in main city etc

I can sim for like 44k but can only hit like 41-42k on training dummy

[cloud moat]

I'd go with Sub. It's all around in a really good spot and once you get used to it, it should be quite straight forward for m+

[balmy condor]

are you simming target dummy?

if you sim for a target dummy, it'll keep it at 99% hp the entire time

just like a normal dummy

[tulip tendon]

Yes

[sweet pond]

Thankyou

[tulip tendon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iXEQuHWUcVjwGCJaLUzBHa

[balmy condor]

yah okay

so if you're hitting a dummy then for 2 min

you're good

[tulip tendon]

I usually can keep it around 41.5-42k or so

[balmy condor]

sim has it at 99% hp, your dummy is 99% hp

all good

[tulip tendon]

Can never hit the sim

[balmy condor]

yeah seems reasonable

[balmy condor]

I mean, expected

[cinder kite]

Sorry but confused “probably fine” to switch to bad statted sin or fine to stay outlaw until getting better stats u mean?

[tulip tendon]

Is it just rng procs or something?

or does nobody hit the sim number

[balmy condor]

either

[balmy condor]

a mix of rng and the sim is simply better than you

I've beaten simdps a couple times

[cinder kite]

Oh god I’m not rdy to make my own decisions

[balmy condor]

but it's really hard

[tulip tendon]

Yeah ive only gotten within maybe 6-8%

so wasnt sure what other people were seeing etc

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's completely reasonable

[snow kindle]

Does IC silence everyone when used?

Garrote

[balmy condor]

if it's duplicating a stealth garrote and you're talented into iron wire, yes

it will silence the 8 targets it hits

[true rapids]

If I craft 405 dagger is it worth using it in offhand for the wrapping or mh and just forget the wrapping and save 2nd embellishment for the fire helm down the line?

[limber lion]

It does not matter which hand you keep the dagger in

If it's your highest ilvl dagger, it's your mh

If you have a better dagger, it's your off hand

I personally have the fang embellishment on my dagger, but I'm removing it on Wednesday to make the Flare Cowl

I would personally recommend just ignoring the dagger embellishment, but still crafting it as your first craft

[true rapids]

it's my 2nd used 1st craft on lariat

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine

Still a massive gain if you have terrible weapons

Especially if you take it up to 418

[true rapids]

Can't do that yet but down the line thats the plan

[limber lion]

Made mine the first week and I'm still using it as my main hand

[true rapids]

got a 402/389 shard of terros atm

Think I'll just scrap the embellishment then save for cowl at some point

thanks

[small meteor]

Wait so you can only have 1 embellishment effect?

[violet jackal]

2

[ionic fox]

So lariat and cowl endgame?

For the 2 embellishments?

[balmy condor]

yes

if you have the diurna ring

you would go cowl

[junior ridge]

worth upgrading whetstone with valor?

if i have 2 on use trinkets already?

[odd dew]

Do tinkers count as embellishments?

[sour wraith]

no

[odd dew]

Oh sweet so engineering bracers seem prety good to get yeah? slot a brez into it

[light goblet]

what do we make with the 3rd spark? cowl?

[gusty mirage]

do you already have two embellishments?

[light goblet]

ive got lariat and shortblade

[gusty mirage]

then you would not make the cowl

because you can't use it

unless you remove the embellish on the weapon

[light goblet]

Oh you can only have 2 embellishments?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[light goblet]

intersting

[gusty mirage]

and you only want the cowl if you have the diurna fire damage proc ring

otherwise it's literally zdps

[light goblet]

so basically make something that wont replace tier and is low IL

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[light goblet]

pog

[gusty mirage]

engi bracers are a decent option to give you a brez option

[light goblet]

legs inc i guess

[gusty mirage]

or just slam it in whatever your lowest ilvl slot is

[light goblet]

belt or legs i suppose

[gusty mirage]

legs are a good option for filler crafted gear cuz they have more primary stat, but it also conflicts with possible tier unless you already have 4pc in the other slots

[remote shoal]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[light goblet]

yeah ive got 4 piece and i got heroic helm with a socket from vault

so prob wont replace that lol

[gusty mirage]

yea once I get my 4pc I'm not swapping embellishments

its too much of a headache

for slightly a more optimal set up

but I'm lazy so

[brazen zodiac]

theyre based

saves runs

[daring imp]

sorry i couldn't find on the faq, but rupture/envenom recommended cp is 4+?

[balmy condor]

5+

[compact wing]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[compact wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn crater]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frozen iris]

When do we not want to use an Ambush? 4 cp +?

Blindside proc

[storm onyx]

Max-1

[keen raven]

whats gonna be a good 3rd item to craft with spark? Already crafted dagger/lariat with embelishment

[brazen zodiac]

probably the second dagger

[polar matrix]

Is glacial furry better than corrupting rage?

or is it just because corrupting is "riskier"

[balmy condor]

glacial fury is just straight up the worst

[polar matrix]

ok so just rock corrupting in raid

[balmy condor]

typically vers or ele chaos

[idle coyote]

Man it feels good poppin exang and Dm and KB

Especially on raid worm in SMB

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n7czqdvR1GKTk3BZ#fight=108&type=damage-done&source=2192

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fHX52JerPBHs5M7cxpKyhd

is poison bomb getting rolled into envenom on warcraft logs?

[solid mica]

Why would it

[keen spruce]

i don't know that's why i'm asking

wcl doesn't have PB listed under damage done but my envom damage is like a mil higher than the sim is suggesting

everything else I can kind of account for with downtime in p2

and not prioritizing my blindside procs correclty

[solid mica]

Amp poison will pump your envenom numbers alot

[keen spruce]

still feels like 5k under sim is more than i'd expect

sim accounts for amp poison

[oak sky]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dense cedar]

click ze arrow on envenom

[keen spruce]

ah tyty

[steep merlin]

I have 2 crafted weapons, do i go for double Fang embellishment? 🙂

[solid mica]

Maybe the adds all moved out of your pb

Sims also arent really supposed to tell you how much damage youre doing fwiw

[keen spruce]

that's exactly what they're for

lol

[solid mica]

No

Theyre not

Its supposed to give you a ballpark and tell you generally what gear is best for a set situation

No raid fight is going to be like a sim

[keen spruce]

sitting on boss on broodkeeper is

[dense cloud]

which assa rogue talent better for kurog? kingsbane or tempered blades?

[solid mica]

Try to reach your exact sim number then, carry on

[keen spruce]

i missed about 40-50 autos worth of uptime. the only things really standing out to me are are bronzed grip wrappings proc rate, wcl has 14 vs sim's 22. Also accounting for PB, envenom damage was alsmost 800k behind sim. I'm assuming this is mis-use of tea and shiv?

[keen spruce]

yeah I wouldn't have posed my logs and my sim if I wasn't. ty for the completely unproductive and/or incorrect feedback

[solid mica]

Not sure why youre being aggressive but i can tell you for sure no one here appreciates it

[keen spruce]

i'm just bein sarcastic in response to your sarcasm

[balmy condor]

my 80k overall

got fucked

by end boss

[keen spruce]

[brazen zodiac]

[subtle tundra]

t.tv/varras can give you tips

[balmy condor]

can you give my tank some tips to stop pulling 4 at a time

[subtle tundra]

i did a no 18 and we did basically all possible double pulls

was fun

low keys on tyra are fun

[balmy condor]

can't wait for fort academy cranker time next week

[keen spruce]

can any big brainers lmk what's wrong here besides kill time and no 4-set? wbronzed grip wrappings are procing signiificantly less than sims and envenom/poison damage coming in lower than expected

lost a few globals of uptime in p2 but didn't feel that bad. 5k dps under sim just seemed like more than I would have thought

[true lark]

is suberfuge worth it? it seems to synergize with systematic failure but shoudl i avoid doing garrote, ambush, to open from stealth?

[balmy condor]

subterfuge is completely worthless

it's a utility talent for pvp for more cheap shots

and even then it's probably a waste of time

[true lark]

do u like indsriminate carnage? 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeah it's pretty fun

[solid mica]

Sure

[normal mist]

I wonder why am I only doing 45-50k dps max overalls

[balmy condor]

skill issue dunno

depends on the key and the pulls

kinda impossible to tell

45-50k is really good in like SBG if your tank is a gigashitter and pulls 2 mobs at a time

[vestal wren]

as a general rule, if you do well compared to other dps in your key, you shouldn't worry about the exact number too much

(too many factors can impact your overall)

[polar matrix]

is anyone able to help me with a log?

feel like i should be doing quite bit more dmg in my gear

[normal mist]

I'm 90% of the time 1# overall with 40/45/50k depending on dungeon, but I'm only doing 12-14s yet, and maybe skill issue also helps xD

[subtle tundra]

and then you realise the people you play with are literal bots

[normal mist]

I guess but they are friends so xD

[brazen zodiac]

[vestal wren]

why you do me dirty like this, i thought i was blasting

i think that a vod/log analysis is a good statring point if you don't find more things to improve

[somber fractal]

yeah it really depends on the level of the key too. i can do some low key like an 8 aa and pull like 200k overall with degen pulls. however if it's anything hard and your pull size is limited then you gonna see those lower numbers

[bitter compass]

Is there a way to sim what stat you should pick in Al'gethar Academy?? I have been taking Crit, but Haste or Mastery could also be good.
Just sim and see what stat you need more of??

[somber fractal]

always take vers

[bitter compass]

Vers?! Just because of the % Dmg done??

[somber fractal]

dr for higher keys

and 5% vers is good as a straight percentage

[bitter compass]

ok, I'll have to start doing that then! TY!

[polar matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hTjkGQFrWyf1gpVw#fight=7&type=damage-done

any help would be appreciated

[somber fractal]

you using wound poison instead of amp poison my dude

[balmy condor]

[polar matrix]

amp poison did 10% of my dmg

[balmy condor]

are you fries?

[polar matrix]

no

other one

the 40% ilvl parse one

feel like my dmg was super low for my gear

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-what-seriously-what-the-president-gif-16881768

bro in the top 4% of rogues on the fight and its not good enough

[somber fractal]

you fine. ilvl% is a meme

[polar matrix]

ok

[delicate breach]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[delicate breach]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[keen spruce]

you're almost 400ilvl with no 4 set, ofc your ilvl parse is gonna be dog water

[brazen zodiac]

no tier piece gang

[haughty jungle]

are herodamage and bloodmallet not usefull anymore? looks like they are not working or is it just for me?

[undone eagle]

Why isnt fenryr daggers from HoV bis daggers?

I thought crit mastery is the way to go

[balmy condor]

because we didn't know fenryr daggers existed until last week and I've been a bit busy with things over the holidays

[oak sky]

i got one today

[balmy condor]

legion daggers didn't exist so it was expected the artifact relics would just not drop, and halls wouldn't have a dagger

but then they added a dagger to replace the relic

[oak sky]

they announced it waaay back in beta

[balmy condor]

and it wasn't in game until m+ released

[oak sky]

oh i didnt mean early in beta

i meant way back compared to now

[balmy condor]

they announced pickpocket rework waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy back in beta as well

and that ended up great

[oak sky]

no like

i mean

datamined

items

like suramar weapon transmogs and shit

which confirmed weapons for legion m+ dungeons

[viscid spear]

Sounds like someone slacking

[balmy condor]

yah I mean

it's a dagger

don't care didn't ask

bis lists are dumb anyways

I'll fix it in the next coming days

[oak sky]

real

W

[balmy condor]

but I'm a little busy rewriting half of the rotation page atm because the fixes I did for exsang

actually just bricked all my formatting

and people keep bitching that ER is 1 gcd later than it is on the faq opener

and I'm getting tired of telling people to eat shit 15 times a day

wake up christmas morning: 55 dm's
5 dm's: "HEY WHISPYR MERRY CHRISTMAS HEY JUST WONDERING IT SAYS ER RUP BUT THIS SAYS FOK RUP UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

definitely not madge cause I've been guide formatting nonsense for the last like 4 hours or anything

[viscid spear]

[wide hawk]

lol

[eternal vortex]

damn

[balmy condor]

learn why you push buttons?
follow an opener list rigidly to the T because you have to staple the opener to your forehead in order to function?

[undone eagle]

Alright got it

[balmy condor]

I'll see about getting the daggers fixed

depending on how long this needs

[worldly echo]

Whisper I would just delete those DMs and just enjoy the holidays that you definitely deserve :-).

[balmy condor]

I have an illness

I am sick in the head

must respond

[worldly echo]

Haha yea, the illness is called kindness and you are the savior to assassins all over the world.

But outside of that, I hope you enjoyed an amazing Xmas and you have an even better New Years.

[balmy condor]

thank you thank you

it won't be good

but the wishes are welcome

[echo geyser]

stay safe

[balmy condor]

aight someone check for me

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

this say fenryr dagger?

[echo geyser]

I say nay nay

[balmy condor]

is that a no

[echo geyser]

(Im on phone cant check well)

[balmy condor]

I see

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

I'm logged in on wowhead on basically all my devices

so I'm not sure if it's public

or draft

[echo geyser]

I need to wake up

[balmy condor]

cause sometimes I make a change and it doesn't show for like a day and a half

[echo geyser]

Shower

[balmy condor]

I guess could also be the caching on the user side

internet is a mess

anyways

gear page should have dagger

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

this page should have pretty pictures at the top

if they don't then skill issue

[copper hazel]

confirmed

pretty pictures

[thorn crater]

ok i need help XD

how do u track only ur own bleeds on WAs?

im trying to find an option on display but i cant

[midnight mist]

It's a debuff

And at the bottom you can check "own only'"

(in trigger )

[balmy condor]

Nice

[thorn crater]

life saver

thank you

[thorn crater]

mr zac i tried to play HO build but it proccs too often and fingers not fast enough. KIR is easier. what do XD is it even worth playing KIR with 4p?

[midnight mist]

Isn't this sin channel 🤔

[thorn crater]

ye but i saw u and thought why not

its a slow day

its fine whispyr isnt paying attention

[balmy condor]

Fuck you

[midnight mist]

Well check the last pin from solo (in outlaw channel)

[echo geyser]

its a slow day so noone will notice im happy

[ancient rain]

!gems

or what was it

[balmy condor]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[balmy condor]

Also faq

FaQ has a whole section on it

Also the image is pinned in #wow-general

[ancient rain]

🙏🏿

[thorn crater]

btw ure kinda insane cant stop watching ur streams now XD

[balmy condor]

I be like ravenholdt Curious George because… I’ve explored all the channels? Or like, maybe Dora cause I…. Always have the right tool for the job? Okay I’m Velma, because I can always find

You know what

It’s a dumb analogy

I Know where things are

Also there needs to be more cartoons with characters that are really good at finding things or something

Maybe Clifford the big red dog

Does he find things

[midnight mist]

You were right

I don't think he mind it too much

[subtle kiln]

@midnight mist is out law better than sub?

[midnight mist]

For sure

[subtle kiln]

@midnight mist can sub outperform outlaw?

[midnight mist]

Not in term of fun

[subtle kiln]

now Remedy just needs to look here.

ty for your service.

[balmy condor]

Does the pink panther find things often

He’s a detective right

[midnight mist]

He still haven't ask in off topic tho

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-panther-funny-gif-26450050

[midnight mist]

Is he ? I thought he was running away from a detective

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like

He masquerades as a detective

Right

Maybe that was a movie

Is there deadass no cartoon character that’s inherently good at knowing where things are

This actually bothers me

[ionic fox]

Are bronze gripped wrappings bugged still or am I high

better than fang adorn correct?

[balmy condor]

They’re working fine

Fang is more consistent

[subtle kiln]

just make fang. less disappointment.

[balmy condor]

But wrappings can be a little better

[subtle kiln]

when ambush sets off a heal

[midnight mist]

Thought that didn't matter ?

[subtle kiln]

bronzed is the cartoon character that inherently doesn’t know where anything is

[midnight mist]

Like the rppm of the healing and dmg procs aren't shared I tought

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t make me feel better

[balmy condor]

Correct

That’s my understanding as well

[subtle kiln]

my understanding is .5% of my dps in a key is triggering

[brazen zodiac]

not yet

[thorn crater]

Oh that pin is new I didn’t notice cheers. Don’t worry it’s his usual midnight rants

[brazen zodiac]

[subtle kiln]

but zac likes his proc play

[midnight mist]

Is it midnight already

[thorn crater]

By a little better what u mean

[midnight mist]

I just woke up

[balmy condor]

It’s 4am

[subtle kiln]

wrong. 6am

[midnight mist]

Wrong it's 1pm

[brazen zodiac]

wrong its 7 am

[balmy condor]

I don’t take opinions from animals

[subtle kiln]

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor cause everyone is apparently disappointed by wrappings. I’m guessing cowl with ring > better than fang and bronzed right I don’t see them hitting that

[balmy condor]

Yeh ofc

Cowl ring is the best embellishment total

[thorn crater]

I dno fang does always more dmg for me than wrappings

[balmy condor]

Then lariat then fang/bronze

[subtle kiln]

i need to find a damn LW with the helm.

[thorn crater]

We are getting a spark on this reset right

[balmy condor]

Yes

[midnight mist]

That's just because people espect something simming 0.5% better to be doing 15% of their overall

Of course they end up disappointed

[balmy condor]

It ain’t even 0.5% better

It’s like

0.25

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

And it’s giga rng

[midnight mist]

Paid 200k for it

[balmy condor]

[subtle kiln]

more disappointed in spending money on bronzed. fang always .7-.8 and cheap

[thorn crater]

Guess I’m doing lfr once I’m back

Eranog hate incoming

[midnight mist]

You don't have 4set yet ?

[balmy condor]

[thorn crater]

No

Stuck on 3

[midnight mist]

Bozo

[balmy condor]

This man’s doing LFR for a ring

[thorn crater]

I made a pug hc kurog

Only took one warrior

Tier dropped

Lost the 50-50

[midnight mist]

[thorn crater]

KEK

[balmy condor]

[thorn crater]

he rolled 24

I rolled 6

And to prep for it I did a \roll first

Got a 97 on that

LMFAO

[thorn crater]

Also for the LW recipes

[midnight mist]

Invite me next time I will roll for you

(not true I'm keeping it for transmog)

[balmy condor]

L

[thorn crater]

The real pain is being 397 and not being able to get in 15 keys

And I don’t know the reason

[midnight mist]

Because 397 isn't that high

[thorn crater]

For a 15?!

[midnight mist]

Yea

[thorn crater]

But it drops 395

How am I supposed to go higher

[midnight mist]

You do your key

[thorn crater]

Algethar 16

[midnight mist]

Yes Free time

[thorn crater]

Insta leave by tank u mean

After one death to tree

Went to 15

Same thing

[midnight mist]

And you will only accept 405 peeps with 4k io and 4piece

[thorn crater]

Went to 14 and I said fuck it and I rerolled it

Got cos 14 now

[midnight mist]

Are you playing sin in keys ?

[thorn crater]

Both outlaw and sin

Depends on group

[midnight mist]

[thorn crater]

If we need boss dmg I go sin

Can’t play sub otherwise I prolly would

Guess I need to learn how to play ho

[midnight mist]

Yeah

Especially if you only have 2p

That's prime time ho

[thorn crater]

But 4p is equally good?

Forgot to read the pin till end brb

[midnight mist]

No, but it's also more of a kir thing

2p is for ho juice

[thorn crater]

But ye I think sin in m+ without 4p seems pointless….

Sorry whisp don’t ban

[midnight mist]

You mean sin in m+ seems pointless?

[thorn crater]

:p

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

I think he went to sleep

We good

Oh hello oxi

Don't ban pls

[gusty mirage]

Show your IO right now zac

[thorn crater]

Oof

[gusty mirage]

Right fucking now

[thorn crater]

Hi oxi merry Christmas!

Nice hat you got there

[midnight mist]

I did like 3 keys this week I think i don't have full io yet

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

Show yours tho

I show mine if it's bigger

[gusty mirage]

Assassination seems fine in keys

[subtle tundra]

real

[brazen zodiac]

cool

[midnight mist]

Big gamer oxi

[gusty mirage]

Seli’s 2676, varas is 2445 and he’s been playing very little compared to previous seasons

“Pointless”

[midnight mist]

[thorn crater]

I did add the 4p to it btw

[wide hawk]

the kingsbane + carnage build really messes with my keybinds =/

[thorn crater]

The extra dmg seems mandatory

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

Bro imagine not playing outlaw tho

[thorn crater]

Outlaw sucks bro it’s just adderall children

[gusty mirage]

Seli doesn’t have 4pc

[thorn crater]

But I gotta do what u gotta do

Seli has a mythic raiding guild and has 400+ ilvl

My guild can’t clear raz normal

[balmy condor]

He can have one of my big pieces

[gusty mirage]

He needs it tbh

[thorn crater]

So running keys with guildies is…. Ye

[midnight mist]

You don't have to run keys with guildies tho

[thorn crater]

After you do your own key with a pug what u do after

[ruby lotus]

outlaws just not fun to play

[gusty mirage]

Wow zac trying to tell you to ego your guildies

[thorn crater]

I’ve been away for 4 years I don’t know anyone :p

[wide hawk]

@balmy condor what's your keybind layout like

[gusty mirage]

Green name zac’s changed

[midnight mist]

You find good pugs idk

[thorn crater]

4head

Just find pugs

[midnight mist]

(I'm saying this but i don't have any friends)

[gusty mirage]

Don’t find pugs

[balmy condor]

Qertgxcv12345, shift all that, control a couple of comfy ones, shift space bar

[gusty mirage]

It’s a trap

Anyone telling you to pug keys just wants you to experience pain

[midnight mist]

Running with guildies is a bigger trap

You laugh a lot but don't time much

[balmy condor]

I found a lovely little group of guildies doing keys by pugging

[midnight mist]

And we are not here for fun

[balmy condor]

It’s good stuff

[thorn crater]

And healers die to ground mechanics and go “oops”

[midnight mist]

We are here for the io injection

[ruby lotus]

[balmy condor]

I mean io probably out of the question

But game for fun

[gusty mirage]

You’ve changed

[balmy condor]

I met new people

They’re fun

I’m having fun

Good times

[thorn crater]

But ye 2k io 397 equipped. ZERO 15 invites

[midnight mist]

I'm sorry oxi

[thorn crater]

Zero

For 4 days now

[midnight mist]

I always have been addicted to numbers going up tho oxi

[gusty mirage]

Was that the group that tried getting you to do the skip in a 14 court?

[thorn crater]

Anw I’m just bitchin for no reason

[midnight mist]

I didn't change

[balmy condor]

No these guys know 0 skips

[gusty mirage]

Even better

[balmy condor]

The group that tried getting me to do the skips

Is actually a hardcore group

That I ran 23’s with

[gusty mirage]

MFers trying to min max a 14 cos

[balmy condor]

They’re in like WR150 guilds

[strange python]

group leaders cherry pick people but somehow end up with 20k overall

[gusty mirage]

If it makes you feel better I was getting declined from 12s

[midnight mist]

[thorn crater]

I mean sure but what now

[strange python]

declined on terros while being 4/8hc and the leader didnt have any kills

[gusty mirage]

I applied for a 12 shadow moon cuz I want a dagger, guy goes “outlaw?” “Nah” “your application has been declined”

Like cool

[thorn crater]

If guild can’t fuckin kill hc terros im stuck at this ilvl

[gusty mirage]

I’ve two chested a 17 but alright then

[thorn crater]

No way to get more gear no way to upcraft dagger

[midnight mist]

No but fr, no one is getting accepted into groups thats just how it is, you are either ahead of the io curve and can get in anything, or you just do your key and suffer

[thorn crater]

Got a 14 cos in eu if anyone wanna do it with me later :p

[strange python]

another pitiful race against fomo

[thorn crater]

Can push to whatever the fuck it goes

[strange python]

and theres no mandatory grind

[thorn crater]

I’ll trade the Melandrus

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I got into every cos I apped too

How weird, must be like they checked me out on RIO to see if I already had the ring

[thorn crater]

Oh I have it too like I said I just wanna push something

[gusty mirage]

Bro people are wild

[thorn crater]

But it’s rough

[gusty mirage]

Declining people for not having 4pc in their +13s

Lmao

[thorn crater]

ON SECOND WEEK

[midnight mist]

I mean tbf

If they have the choice between 405 with 4p people

Why would anyone take the guy without piece and 397 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

The thing is they’re putting “4pc” in the description

[thorn crater]

Have 3p thank you very much

[gusty mirage]

For a +12

Lmfao

[midnight mist]

Sorry 👑

[gusty mirage]

Ayo twins

[thorn crater]

I dno it’s annoying

[gusty mirage]

Tbh they do the same shit every tier

[thorn crater]

You 3 cheat someone’s 14

Get insta kicked after

Like

[gusty mirage]

People were requiring destro locks in like +10s last season

Even though destro was awful in low keys cause everything died too fast

[thorn crater]

But if Ure a DH

Oh hi sir

What did you say? 389? No tier?

No problem get in here

[gusty mirage]

Every DH I’ve pugged with this expac

Has been an absolute ape

[thorn crater]

Fax no paper

[gusty mirage]

Dying to frontals

Not interrupting

[ruby lotus]

and still doing shit dps

[thorn crater]

Taking away thundering with 10 seconds left with blade dance

[gusty mirage]

Fel rushing to Egypt with thundering

[thorn crater]

Or fel rush

[gusty mirage]

And 90% do like no damage

It makes no sense

[ruby lotus]

because they saw the "tier" chart and saw DH on top

must be good

even if you dont know what youre doing obviously

[gusty mirage]

I’ve played havoc like 3 times in my life

Idk how it’s confusing for anyone

Lmao

Oh well I guess they have 6 buttons instead of 3 now

Very complex

[ruby lotus]

I mean yea its not super complicated but, people underestimate their movement and just get hit by EVERYTHING

[marble hemlock]

i mean the thing is, im ugessing theyll still get applicants right

[gusty mirage]

Well they didn’t get me

[marble hemlock]

obviously its asinine, but having set increases the odds of the player being semi-capable cuz they mustve gotten it funneled in raid, or simply do more damage

[gusty mirage]

Seli you think it’s worth making engi bracers

[marble hemlock]

idk

id rather get helmet

at 418 ilvl

and get set on other 4s lots

youre not gonna replace that untilyou get rasza mythic helmet

and unless youre called ramfam, that aint happening anytime soon

[gusty mirage]

I guess we wait to see what comes in the vault

[marble hemlock]

ye

im wondering what gear to craft on monk right now

[gusty mirage]

But rn my bracers are 385

[marble hemlock]

cuz i kinda dont wanna craft a weapon

i just need to get tanky

did +18 temple and i just flopped on 2nd boss

tbf we also carried furos ilvl 350 rogue but ye

[gusty mirage]

That second boss fucks man

Everyone underestimates it

[marble hemlock]

it just deals stupid amounts of damage

[gusty mirage]

Yea it’s insane

[marble hemlock]

and compared to most other bosses

it doesnt just destroy the tank

man this keyboard is fucking pissing me off

spacebar not triggering anymore

[gusty mirage]

Speaking of keyboards

[marble hemlock]

ordereda new one

[gusty mirage]

Amazon delayed my delivery too

[marble hemlock]

that was supposed to be 1 day delivery

but hey

[gusty mirage]

Was supposed to be 1 day as well

Delivered Wednesday

It’s Monday

[marble hemlock]

ye

[gusty mirage]

Still no package

[marble hemlock]

its so dumb

like

i understand

its christmas

but over half of my 1day deliveries

[gusty mirage]

They delayed mine until Friday and then said “unexpected due to severe weather”

[marble hemlock]

over the last year

[gusty mirage]

Like bruh

[marble hemlock]

didnt come in 1 day

[gusty mirage]

Yea mine either

I’ve had more success cancelling and reordering unironically

It’s something in their stupid system

[marble hemlock]

yeah

i also love the monthly subscription stuff

half the stuff

isnt in stock

next month

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

so im like

"okay cool"

but im too lazy to pay attention anymore

[thorn crater]

This is what I’m talking about. People helping people 😦 Sadge Smoge

[lament warren]

sry to lurk, but would this be the construct skip after first boss? and if so would you happen to have a pov for it? 👀 the closest i've found is some 8 minute video where some guy just talks about it being theoretically possible

[gusty mirage]

oh

that's awkward

[lament warren]

[gusty mirage]

nothing to see here

[lament warren]

i was gonna react too

[thorn crater]

Now we know who the orange leaker is gonna be

Fun

[brazen zodiac]

🙈

[gusty mirage]

that is what I'm talking about, and tbh I've never done it because the tanks I play with just unga bunga W key

[lament warren]

i've failed it every time i've tried it

[gusty mirage]

but the idea is you distract and sprint past then construct

[lament warren]

and i've been told gigachad strat is to just press evasion and then vanish

[gusty mirage]

and then when you get a decent distance away

you vanish

and it opens the door and your group saves like

a minute at most

[lament warren]

interesting

[gusty mirage]

or if you rng your way to the engineering orb

you just wait for it to randomly get stunned

and run past it

[lament warren]

the 30 minute epic saga where a feral druid points it out next to a level 46 mob was not very intricate on the mechanics of said skip

I thought you had to like parkour and just never be seen by the mob ever

[balmy condor]

I have a vod hold on

[lament warren]

is the distract to prevent the first melee or does it actually do something for the stealth detection radius

[shut owl]

meanwhile my ass says "ill sap the first guard right after the boat, just dont hug him"... and the hunter decides its time to pop all cds on the first mob of the dungeon

[lament warren]

hunters are formidable enemies

[shut owl]

you ever expect just... the lowest of bars... and folks still slide under them? XD

[lament warren]

idk i can't get invited to any cos groups so haven't had time to litmus test

[gusty mirage]

you get a second and change of being able to get by w/ distract

[lament warren]

got it

[gusty mirage]

yeah dunno why it works like that but it does

that's how we used to shroud past the big elemental with true sight in shrine of the storm

to get to first boss

[lament warren]

i vaguely remember doing that

just not how it worked

though tbh as a dh player i probably just did not know it had truesight to begin with :^)

[gusty mirage]

ye you toss a distract and it buys enough time to get past it

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1688167943?t=4321s

[lament warren]

4321

[balmy condor]

Should be timestamped

[gusty mirage]

ye it is

[balmy condor]

1:12 ish

[shut owl]

shocking watching your gameplay... in which folks dont just go ape on a doomed-to-die boss for the entire RP

[lament warren]

interesting

maybe you jus thave to burn evasion then

on a high fort key surely that guy just onebangs your cheat

[gusty mirage]

that's the best part tho

[midnight vortex]

nah

[lament warren]

cuz u distracted and sprinted and everything

you don't think he oneshots you on 20+? o:

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor I'm still not convinced that it's as big as people think it is

[balmy condor]

Neither am I

[lament warren]

the legion dungeons have rly lenient 1chest timers

[gusty mirage]

esp considering every fucking person that does that skip ends up pulling the bridge pack anyway

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk

I mean they do trash while I do the skip

So I guess maybe it saves 1 pack?

Like 1-1:30

[lament warren]

it's only supposed to be like a minute

[gusty mirage]

yea I can see it on high fort weeks

skipping constructs is just more efficient

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[balmy condor]

Yeh but the skip involves pulling 2

[lament warren]

when the gate opens it auto kills the 2 in front

i think it's just about skipping that specific construct

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

bc you can't really pull it into anything

[vestal wren]

moment

[brazen zodiac]

what if both and

[balmy condor]

No shot, really?

[lament warren]

why rude

[gusty mirage]

I can answer that for you actually

[balmy condor]

Then wtf is my group pulling

[gusty mirage]

KB wins cause I did that first

[balmy condor]

While I skip

[lament warren]

oh

[gusty mirage]

and it's above DTB on the role ranks

[lament warren]

i thought it was sarcastic

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

they're supposed to go down to the docks

and pull arcanist packs

[balmy condor]

We did that on the way to first boss

[brazen zodiac]

:pepestudy:

[lament warren]

whole point of the skip is that the humanoid mobs have like 1/4 to 1/2 the hp of a construct

so you save time opening the door bc you skip 3 constructs

[vestal wren]

alright, works

[gusty mirage]

huge

[thorn crater]

not a leaker yuuuuge

[lament warren]

and bc they have like 1/2 the hp naturally it's still faster to kill without a player

but i'm not sure when efficient pathing will come into play

the way things are tuned right now it feels like healing will be the hardcap

certain things will just be unhealable way before you need super efficient pathing

but maybe i'm wrong about that and healers just will gigascale with gear idk

[shut owl]

every tank will become a prot war

[lament warren]

dragon healer doing 120k hps on tyran tjs 2nd boss and we still die x)

[vestal wren]

all fine, we managed, now we can all have fancy roles

[lament warren]

yeah that's the thing though prot warrior sucks at the healing bosses too

like the jade serpent kick boss adds a healing absorb

even 2nd boss it's way harder to heal than like a bdk

[gusty mirage]

grievious melts ignore pain too

[shut owl]

you get 3 free passes on that mechanic, and then you die

[lament warren]

prot warrior is really really good at white hits and dealing damage

[shut owl]

welcome to prot war in a magic dungeon

[gusty mirage]

bro who the fuck decided that the first two weeks of the season

[lament warren]

neither of those in half of these dungeons :'(

[gusty mirage]

should be quaking into bursting/grievous

why does blizzard hate healers

lmao

[vestal wren]

!affix

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Tyrannical, Bursting, Grievous, Thundering

[lament warren]

probably the same guy that decided to scramble the affixes in sl s2 causing there to be exactly one good fort week

[vestal wren]

but it is push week after reset

😛

[lament warren]

is it

[gusty mirage]

tyran grievous is toxic as fuck

volcanic sanguine

shouldn't be too too bad

[lament warren]

oh it's sang volc

nice

[shut owl]

I mean... saw a 340 war tank a 16 AA this week, so they don't only break white hits lol

[lament warren]

should be able to do 23s next week

[gusty mirage]

I watched a 370 resto druid try to heal a shadowmoon

[lament warren]

aa is mostly white hits though

[gusty mirage]

that was fun

I tried being nice

I stayed for 5 attempts at the last boss

where he just couldn't keep us alive

[lament warren]

last boss smbg is cursed when demons possess your ranged players

[shut owl]

first three bosses its the poison/magic that will implode your tank though

[lament warren]

ig it depends on the healer

dragon has stagger, then you have shield wall or last stand

bark ps

warrior kinda just crazy good no matter what rn

demo shout

warrior has a ton of % dr or big ehp in their kit

healer probably babysat them though

I have no idea what the tank mechanics on the AA bosses are :^)

[shut owl]

tree is a mess

[gusty mirage]

dragon low key OP af

[lament warren]

dragon is insanely op

best 5man healer and it's not even close

[shut owl]

our method was FoK crippling poison + leap spam

[lament warren]

mf like me presses secret technique and every ad dies

but i did not type that in this channel

at least warrior friend presumably has a pretty nice vault

[shut owl]

one can only hope

[lament warren]

trials and tribulations

[subtle tundra]

[lament warren]

[next edge]

[agile geode]

kek

[limber lion]

So many DTB users

demons

[subtle tundra]

kb is the shit

[next edge]

KB way funnier

[lament warren]

kingsbane brings exsang and i cannot morally support that

[viscid spear]

[next edge]

Any exsang enjoyers

[gusty mirage]

you get the fancy bandana

you don't have to choose

[viscid spear]

Buddy I clicked all three specs anyway

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

idk where that is

[royal lantern]

i still didnt skill m+ exsang btw

[lament warren]

i haven't even tried sin in m+ i just lurked and saw the cos discussion

[teal bloom]

[royal lantern]

rip

+19 academy

my key is bricked

[lament warren]

nooo sub key

u win those

[royal lantern]

sub

ye sure

[thorny pond]

It’s less headache, more dam

[royal lantern]

i play wow in 2022

do i look like somone that is actually sane

and DOESNT want a headache

[lament warren]

crimson tempest falling off after 4 seconds on tree boss sounds like depression

[subtle tundra]

we have 21 academy, 20 academy and 20 ruby

🤓

[thorny pond]

If you play WoW in 2022 you should be so insane you min max your calorie intake based on your brain’s metabolic processes. More calories to play sin in m+.

[lament warren]

bring hunter to 20 ruby

[royal lantern]

hardest shit in ruby is the first boss

ngl

[lament warren]

if the wailing arrow bug is still in

[subtle tundra]

yea we know we have hunter

[lament warren]

then the first boss is free

21 academy rly hard but 20 academy is fun i think!

veximus has words with you

[subtle tundra]

nah cba with the tree wont even try

[royal lantern]

so many people still cry about ruby endboss

[lament warren]

on 21 its not even the tree im scared of

[royal lantern]

when its just "go dragon"

[subtle tundra]

but it is the tree

[royal lantern]

bird can also be a shitshow

[subtle tundra]

its only the tree

[lament warren]

veximus is scary

on high

as well

[subtle tundra]

nah bird is easy if you play it correctly

[lament warren]

you instatick from the manabombs

[thorny pond]

If you’re high

[royal lantern]

found the problem in 99% of keys varas

[lament warren]

truege

[royal lantern]

not everyone is like you and has a group that carrys them trought shit

[subtle tundra]

well this is about +20

[lament warren]

people still grief in 20

i don’t know how you die to the bird boss as melee but i’ve seen it happen

[subtle tundra]

i dont mean by getting hit by shit on the ground

that happens at every key level

[thorny pond]

People will grief everywhere

[subtle tundra]

i mean the strat

[thorny pond]

One bad pull, they get the yips

[subtle tundra]

when you dunk, which you dunk first

[lament warren]

i don’t even know what that boss does i’m not gonna lie

i just press feint and it becomes not my problem

[thorn fjord]

Morning Sinners

Hope you all had a great holidayweekend

[nocturne current]

I leave after a person dies to shit

[lament warren]

even if it’s still timeable??

[nocturne current]

In high keys death is almost certain dead key unless it’s ressed on the moment

[lament warren]

i think we had like

[normal mist]

How high we talking?

[lament warren]

i had a mage die the entirety of tempest boss

and we still timed 19 nokhud

[gusty mirage]

gross

[lament warren]

ok we didn’t time it my paladin and my druid stood on each other when last boss had 4mil hp

[nocturne current]

Yeah but I don’t have that kind of tolerance unless it’s some unavoidable death like a sad boss combo

[lament warren]

but we were going to

[subtle tundra]

had we timed it, we would've timed it

🤓

[lament warren]

i consider any nokhud key that completes the third boss first try a timed key

[thorn fjord]

Y'all are smashers... Had a hard time timing a 16 ruby last night lol -_-

[subtle tundra]

both tempest and duo are really really hard

[lament warren]

tempest is ez

duo is terrible

gale into quickshot gl

quick shot 3x in a row gn

[nocturne current]

You’re rogue, you’re good

[lament warren]

that boss needs nerfs

rogue unfortunately does not stop duo deaths

[nocturne current]

Ofcours it does lol

[lament warren]

bc neither gale arrow nor quick shot are affected by avoidance

[nocturne current]

Cloak first, cheath death second, cloak third, fourth improvise something

[subtle tundra]

yes i will external my teammates

when i see they get shot

[lament warren]

yeah improvise something

true

[subtle tundra]

at 20% health

[lament warren]

i’ll try that next time

[nocturne current]

There’s plenty of ways to survive it and odds the last one is arrow and gale are small

[lament warren]

you can just die to quick shot outside of gale arrows

that’s a thing that happens

running the wrong healer and he has to move for 2 seconds bc someone baited the shatter badly?

you are dead

[nocturne current]

Talent Elusiveness, doesnt kill you

[lament warren]

the frequency with which she casts quick shot is the issue

that’s not real my man i’m sorry

that is called griefing

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Break the meta

Take elusiveness

[ebon notch]

wat

[verbal mantle]

[nocturne current]

Elusiveness is pretty OP

[ebon notch]

you're joking right

[verbal mantle]

cooked takes #751

[thorn fjord]

Major cap

[lament warren]

i’ve considered swapping sin for duo and last boss

since it’s after all the count

but elusiveness is not the wave

[nocturne current]

Elusiveness guarantees you survive quick shot if that’s killing you

[lament warren]

it’s still not real

[nocturne current]

Not real ok, lol

[lament warren]

you don’t take elusiveness to counter rng

[verbal mantle]

key leavers after 1 ppl mistake are the most pathetic persons on Earth

after flat earthers

[lament warren]

feint is down, you get bad rng, now what

[nocturne current]

Why would feint be down

[lament warren]

bc it has a 5 second duration and a 14 second cooldown

[verbal mantle]

too much math