assassination

[cerulean nest]

oh

[subtle tundra]

well actual answer is that rogues were more geared on first week than other classes

bcs they were given more loot

[midnight atlas]

its been just 2 days

half a day for eu also.

[cerulean nest]

that ranking feels very cap to me

[vital haven]

for mythic?

[cedar mist]

Cause it’s just the second week, comparable data isn’t really in abudance yet

[vital haven]

i mean if its mythic its because the 2 fights that people have logged the most is 1st boss, and council

[cerulean nest]

i believe so

[distant mesa]

because rogues go

[cedar mist]

I mean..not entirely wrong

[royal lantern]

4-5% nerf, spec is U N P L A Y A B L E now

what else

[tough whale]

Rogues got giga pumped gear in week 1, and they have some trinkets from raid that they gain an incredible value from over other classes, and now that m+ farming has gone out and vault and other people getting tier, more classes are preforming better.

As you can see theyre still far from off meta

[cedar mist]

But we have atrophic poison so at least one of us gets to go

[tough whale]

And even still top guilds running 2-3 rogues regardless, just also not a billion fights on mythic that justify assa > outlaw or sub though

[kind walrus]

if we play DTB build, when do we pop our channeling trinkets in the opener?

[tough whale]

Which channeling trinket specifically?

[kind walrus]

torch

and storm-eater's

[tough whale]

storm eater is whenever you safely can -- you can still cast during it

[kind walrus]

yy that i know

just if it was some opener sequence lite

Kingsbane

[tough whale]

iirc not gonna have any abilities that make storm eaters better within the assa kit, so thats just whenever you can root for 10 seconds.

Torch outside of CD windows or low energy when you arent gonna tea, to gain the most value / mitigate opportunity cost

[kind walrus]

ait ait, thanks @tough whale

[tough whale]

Legit almost killed myself with storm eaters 3 times last night

[kind walrus]

happends to me all the time bro

dw

[hollow vault]

what if someone dies in opener

torch value...

[tough whale]

true......

play around your comp

stack rets

feed on opener to get b2b torch casts

[storm zinc]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[raven vapor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[earnest imp]

in Whispyrs datasheet the DTB raid build without exsang

has exsang

is it just swapping the exsang into MA?

and otherwise the same

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[earnest imp]

@balmy condor

[tribal obsidian]

I think it was exang became better with dtb after the poison talent nerf

[vital vale]

I thought after nerf exang wasn't really a difference with DTB?

[thorny pond]

0.23% different

[earnest imp]

but whats the point allocated into, dont think it can be MA

in raids

ur missing venom rush with that

idk

[thorny pond]

Zolds

[vital vale]

yeah 2 into zold

[azure cloak]

hello! returning player trying out rogue for dragonflight and having a blast so far. I was wondering which weapon enchant would be a good alternative to Sophic Devotion?

[copper gyro]

sophic writ

or frozen writ

[exotic parcel]

What builds are currently best for raid?

Currently using KB execute

[cedar mist]

Been having success with DTB but KB and DTB are super close to each other percentage wise.

[azure cloak]

would burning writ be a good alternative as well?

[zinc inlet]

402 dagger or 395 set item chest? the chest cant be upgraded and the dps diff is 1% more for the dagger

i ask because since raid is reset i have a chance to get a 2nd set piece with some luck and i dont know if a 2set value would scale allot or not even thou chest cant be upgraded

[thorny pond]

You can droptimizer. But if you can craft the dagger that can be 402/405 pretty easily

then tier will be worth

[oblique jackal]

Can anyone on ally stormrage make the neck ?

[outer arrow]

Is it ever a downside to stagger an Envenom cast to guarantee the target has 10 stacks of AP

Use case: after an ER cast

[sudden sigil]

Do we do log reviews here?

I have very little info on why im doing 45k when im simming to 47k on terros

If anyone got time to help

[earnest imp]

cant add a point to zolds, need points in earlier ones

[obsidian beacon]

2k difference seems within margin of error but I could be wrong

[sudden sigil]

i just got no clue how some assa pumps 75k on terros and im doing 45k xD

Is the tier set really that much dmg?

[earnest imp]

no

[sudden sigil]

I must be making miistakes my logic

[outer arrow]

If ure simming 47k prob gear diff?

[trim zinc]

just look at the raidbots build, dont look at the import thing (i think)

[earnest imp]

to me its the same build

in raidbots

[frank axle]

what phial do we play for ST raid?

[thorny pond]

I use vers, cheap. Chaos if it's close prog

[vestal crest]

Heya, curious if I'm being dumb or not, playing dtb, when looking at my sim and other logs, the poison damage spread is a decent amount higher, but don't think I'm doing anything different/wrong, any assumptions/elp?

[thorny pond]

Link some logs sir

[bleak eagle]

Hey can anyone take a look at this for me and tell me how i can improve https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HdTWpfLRcBn7QJ8D#fight=58&type=casts&source=19

[thorny pond]

Make sure you keep bleed uptimes up. Garrote is at 81%, rupture a lil better at 93%

aim for 95%+

[bleak eagle]

do i let my vanish garrote fall off completely before pressing normal garrote or should I press in pandemic window?

[thorny pond]

That's correct to let it expire, but I would typically make sure that when it hits 0, your next GCD is ready to go. I saw a few windows there where you missed it by a GCD or two for like a finisher and Ambush proc

[bleak eagle]

ok

[cold rampart]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bleak eagle]

if im full combo points right when its about to fall off do i waste the cp by pressing it ?

[hexed root]

so we're potion of power/phial of vers currently right?

[thorny pond]

Either hold or finish earlier

I wouldn't overcap

[bleak eagle]

ok

[thorny pond]

Little things on Eranog too would be to refresh bleeds before phase etc

[bleak eagle]

he still takes dmg during intermission?

[copper gyro]

kind of a dumb question but, do i envenom from 5+ CP or 6+

[trim zinc]

max-1

[dapper flint]

is it me or macroing grieftorch with deathmark (deathmark first) fucks up trinket channel? Like 3 out of 4 uses stopped trinket at first millisecond (yes, i was standing still)

[subtle tundra]

then dont macro?

just press it 😉

[dapper flint]

ye i guess buuut

[chrome mirage]

What's the best way to use grieftorch on pull, right after garrote?

And is it worth using in aoe

[sudden sigil]

Can anyone check this? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a1FVLvzqt7hxXGKM#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=30

[thorny pond]

Lack of tier, bad kill time mate. Rotation looks good enough

[sudden sigil]

Oh cool 😄
As long as my rotation looks solid im abit happy tbh

[limber lion]

Just before you press Exsang or just before Deathmark if you don't play Exsang

And yes, it's really good on AoE

[spare igloo]

what poisons are people using for the general raid spec?

[chrome mirage]

Do we have to play with exsang in raid?

[midnight atlas]

No

[thorny pond]

DTB: Amp & Deadly always

[outer cairn]

yes. typically open up a passage by burning an elemental then you can go in and damage him a bit before they fully collapse. so if your bleeds are on him, he'll still be taking damage

[neat plank]

why is Diurna so attached to Eranog? she tends to many eggs, what makes him special?

[midnight atlas]

[neat plank]

yeah, that's my face when listening to her

[merry dust]

Can anyone recommend a good youtube guide?

[outer cairn]

for?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[merry dust]

How to play Assassination in depth

[outer cairn]

#assassination-faq

everything you need is there and here

[neat plank]

he prefers the video format

[thorny pond]

No real great ones, content changes too quick, videos get dated

Don't think Ravenholdt has ever recommended a video guide.

[spice spire]

Not since I’ve been here

which is only recent tbf

[limber lion]

I have.

[outer cairn]

Best thing is look over stuff then ask questions

[spice spire]

[distant mesa]

Video guides are nice, but updated to rarely

[limber lion]

And Whispyr has as well previously

[thorny pond]

If I watch it now Cev, is it still relevant?

=p

[limber lion]

Definitely not

[thorny pond]

15-Love

[limber lion]

JustRuss had a decent guide for Assa for like 9.1 or something

[merry dust]

I noticed a few for outlaw, but couldn't find much for Assassination

[spice spire]

I forgot about that one

[limber lion]

Assa guide will end shortly

[spice spire]

It is a lot of effort for a very short period

[limber lion]

it's a super short video

"just press everything on cd"

ok

see that glowy button? press it

[thorny pond]

I can make one, it'll be potato quality because I don't want to make something that'll be wrong in 6 days

[spice spire]

That’s the DTB guide

[distant mesa]

This

[spice spire]

Now give me the KB theorycrafting.
I know you have 7 prepped and lined

[distant mesa]

It will be quick and dirty

[slim estuary]

I just got manic grieftorch (yay) how do you fit this in to opener?

[thorny pond]

What I talk about dancing and KB in DMs is between frens

[outer cairn]

I did a quick search on youtube and the first one that talks about Assassination is already 2 weeks old and the dude had the wrong talents for DtB than what was recommended here

[thorny pond]

Two weeks ago, Exsang was 👑

Now imagine, my ugly mug, saying exsang is good on video "10.0 Rogue Ass Guide". I'd get obliterated forever, even though the content is dated

[distant mesa]

Rogue guides^

[thorny pond]

Sin goes Brr for like 3 GCDs at open then we can J chill

[neon burrow]

Was looking at the opener for DTB and was wondering why you wouldn't refresh your Amped Garrote before casting big bleed CD. I see the opener guide has you casting it like 2 CD after.

[outer cairn]

I mean, he even says dm, exsang. so

https://youtu.be/Xhv_9H9naGI?t=344

dated

and completely wrong

[steel sorrel]

Is there any collected data on who gain most from Diurma ring for classews yet?

[young bison]

How is rogue feeling after nerf ?

[steel sorrel]

Good!

[outer cairn]

fine

[thorny pond]

Press need on RCloot then let RL sort

[outer cairn]

just no 4th charged cp

I roll 4p on everything

[thorny pond]

big crit

[spice spire]

Amen

[pseudo geyser]

What talents are people running for tyrannical M+?

[thorny pond]

KB IC

[distant mesa]

Whatever does this^

[spice spire]

Misinformation! Instead of head butting my keyboard I roll my face on it!

[distant mesa]

Just have someone start slapping it

[thorny pond]

Like Uncle Roger

[proper tapir]

I feel like they're discribing the outlaw rotation....

[rustic crown]

whats the difference between parse% and ilvl % when u look at damage done logs on a boss?

[thorny pond]

one is all

the other is people in your bracket

[rustic crown]

damn, can i link log from a boss fight where i parsed rly low ilvl %, wanna know what im doing wrong

[thorny pond]

not always relevant, esp now

I wouldn't stake your ego on that

[rustic crown]

still top dps in my raid just low ilvl % parses

[proper tapir]

Some would say ilevel parse doesn't matter. Since like a few items can give that a wider range.

[amber stream]

is dragon-scale build currently better than kingsbane in general? for ST.

[thorny pond]

I wouldn't worry about ilvl parse

if you suck, that's another story and we can help you

[rustic crown]

do you always keep vanish and deathark and sync them together for improved garotte?

[distant mesa]

Both play within margin of error of each other

[amber stream]

yes

[amber stream]

Seems a bit easier to get dragon-scale off tbh.

[pseudo geyser]

Does anyone else feel like ST is lack lustered in M+ with the KB IC build?

[distant mesa]

DTB is the easier build yeah

[amber stream]

For Dathea, would you prio IC build?

[thorny pond]

no

[distant mesa]

No

100% no

[amber stream]

Aight, tyty peeps!

[distant mesa]

Stay DTB

[thorny pond]

just chuck some bleeds up

throw a bone at the adds

[distant mesa]

And just hold CPs to add swap

[thorny pond]

"add swap"

why

tunnel boss king

[amber stream]

Noted, thanks for the tips!

[polar sinew]

Slice and Dice
SnD is used in pandemic range (13-14s). If using Swift Slasher, it must be used at max combo points, and the first SnD must be hard casted (even if Grand Melee is active). This is because Grand Melee does not give you a Swift Slasher boosted SnD on its own.

What is this pandemic range ?

[distant mesa]

Is that outlaw talent?

CttC it's our extender

[neat plank]

thats an undocumented WoW feature that extends dots and buffs

[polar sinew]

yes but not first time i see that pandemic range even for assa and i dont know what it's meaning

ahok ty

[neat plank]

so lets say that SnD has a duration of 30 secs

if you refresh it when theres 5 secs left, you would expect it to go back up to 30

but it goes to 35 instead

thats because the 5 secs was in the "pandemic window" so its added to the duration

-_-

[distant mesa]

Yup to a max of 54s

[polar sinew]

ok its works the same for beeds in assa i see know

[ebon tundra]

The creation catalyst of this expac isnt out yet is it?

[proper tapir]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[raven acorn]

Not ill week 10 i believe r somewhere around there

[ebon tundra]

ah ty 🙂

[polar sinew]

btw how it goes for assa in random m+ ? about dps and pickuplist ? bcs i remember shadowland and it was awful

[raven acorn]

Yeah i end up running a hybrid because of the dmg ST lacks in the standard KB+IC build

[strong wing]

echo not playing assa rogues anymore

[thorny pond]

Liquid gonna win now

[distant mesa]

Oh?

[polar sinew]

sheeesh since the nerf i guess 😄

[neat plank]

because adds are too difficult

[distant mesa]

What's the%s now

[neat plank]

they need add clearing specs

[strong wing]

yea

[raven acorn]

nerf wasnt even that bad tbh

[strong wing]

jpc isnt playing assa too

only sub

and outlaw

dont know the reason tbh

[polar sinew]

jpc=?

[thorny pond]

does more dam

[strong wing]

liquid rogue

[distant mesa]

Liquid jacked rogue

[raven acorn]

jpcjr

[strong wing]

even with the tier?

[cursive frost]

Newest sims actually has assa down quite a bit

[raven acorn]

i just cant stand sub's low apm and slow playstyle compared to assass and esp outlaw

[thorny pond]

Your sub sim is probably higher. Sin is objectively easier to play and has execute

so for us peons, still really strong

[strong wing]

easier than sub?

[thorny pond]

Sub is much more involved than sin

being a relative term

[raven acorn]

when i have given sub a go, its rather involved

[jolly niche]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strong wing]

why is not sp there

[thorny pond]

JPC has been an outlaw guy for a while but plays what is best for raid. Sin was strong last week, still is strong this week but at that level, they look for every advantage

[raven acorn]

surprising seeing demo lock lose that much ground in the new sims

[strong wing]

werent the buffs enought to get sp in the top?

[cursive frost]

Sp still probably getting coded

[fiery idol]

@raven acorn where r u seeing sims for all classes? Simulationcraft seems dead

[thorny pond]

Do the SP capstones even work yet lol

[raven acorn]

jsut from that image above is what I was basing that statement from

[cursive frost]

I will say last night even after the nerfs I destroyed everyone in ST with unholy and enhance only classes who were close

[raven acorn]

from @cursive frost 3 mins ago

[strong wing]

and what about perfecto?

[oblique jackal]

I woulddn't worry so much about charts. Play what you think is fun and that you're good at

[fiery idol]

Arms warrior st pumping wtf

[thorny pond]

I don't follow as closely but again, he plays all three specs at a high level so will play what the raid needs

[grim briar]

Two sim questions, hopefully somebody knows the answer...

1. How do I add execute phase to the sim? (maybe this is already built in?)
2. How do I enable the extra procs from whispering incarnate if I know somebody else has it?

[raven acorn]

yeah i noticed the same, was still on top by a good margin over all other except our insanely good fury warr who was close on most and actually edged me on one

[cursive frost]

Assa is still strong and very practical to pull off

[subtle tundra]

i love week 1 nerfs based on logs

[oblique jackal]

^ assa will always be good !

[raven acorn]

execute is built in, the whisp incarn trink has a section in advanced under everything else to indicate quantity/type

[strong wing]

blizzard strats

[cursive frost]

Also worth mentioning the dk that hung with me has his 4set and I only have 2 set

[strong wing]

why the fuck is lock top 1 dps perma

[raven acorn]

worth mentioning for sure since 4pc adds 5-8% depending on class from what i have read

[strong wing]

it was so fun having all rogue specs tier S :C

[random fossil]

What's enh gamba

[cursive frost]

These sims are 100% unrealistic

[distant mesa]

[cursive frost]

So don’t fret, assa is in one of the best spots. Most of those specs above us lose a ton of dps with any downtime and we don’t. Also our spec is a lot more practical to approach that sim dps with the simplicity of rotation. L

If you run outlaw too, we have an S tier spec for any fight

[raven acorn]

General consensus for council, outlaw or assa?

[distant mesa]

You wanna rip your brain out? Play Assa. Wanna chill? Outlaw

[raven acorn]

Yeah that's how has been seeing that fight

[polar sinew]

assa rogue is the only reason why i play with game so i hope it's in a good spot for now xd

[distant mesa]

I play Assa because I know how to fluently multi dot well

On that boss

[cursive frost]

I play outlaw and it’s fun and pumps. Sub is also strong on that fight

[distant mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pBgJ8NkzPj2CdtA4#fight=11&type=damage-done Annadorsa the rogue

[oak sky]

Sin just doesnt do damage on council

Target count too low for our aoe builds to be good

[raven acorn]

I think for my team, outlaw typically performs better due to one of our tank's ineptitude to keep one or two bosses near the others, making multidotting exponentially more difficult. But for the most part I can fluently handle 4 target multidotting, just when shit breaks down those dots fall because of positioning

[peak bobcat]

Not the normal logs man

All 3 rogue specs are good on every boss

[distant mesa]

xD

Big pump though

[polar sinew]

btw there is a kind of weakaura too show where i miss a dot ? i have some difficult to keep them up on everyone
even more since Caranage talent that made me soft since i restart to play after a biiig break

[kindred oriole]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[distant mesa]

Are you talking on the mob or in general

[polar sinew]

on the mob i guess

[distant mesa]

Any wa pack should have a garrote icon with it

[raven acorn]

Plenty of WA will show dot durations and expiry on your current target

[distant mesa]

Idk my plater has it but I modified it

[polar sinew]

i dont want something that would spam for every mob because it would be lame in big pack in m+ xd

[raven acorn]

Afenar rogue, publik, luxthos, etc..

[polar sinew]

more like a blood tracker with a bar progression

i need something that move or even more with a sound would be greater

i have difficulties to keep up on strat rota AND look at wa pack

[raven acorn]

Can always use the create new inside WA and start with a premade for whatever you wanna track, then add a sound when duration less than x seconds

[polar sinew]

so if it can move like a progression bar or make a sound wouldbe lit

ooh i see

[raven acorn]

Yeah totally doable within WA, there are premades where you just select what buff or debuff you want a bar for

[balmy condor]

Scroll to the combos

[polar sinew]

i didnt know that i can put sounds on wa, im gonna look about that ty

[balmy condor]

Scroll to the combos

Man fuck

I was asked to show the combos in comparison

[distant mesa]

I just use a plater mo that glows at lower duration to refresh

[balmy condor]

And now people getting confused

[raven acorn]

Can also set to play once, or loop indefinitely until the condition is met, I. E. You reapply

[marsh fjord]

We are thankfull for what you do @balmy condor 🙂

[balmy condor]

My pleasure

I’m just stuck sometimes

[marsh fjord]

We are all

[balmy condor]

I guess someone will always get confused

Unlucky

[marsh fjord]

can't avoid that sadly

[gusty mirage]

never been confused in my life

[marsh fjord]

man i'm trying to get the hidden artifact for sub, i already delivered 11 coins without a vault ticket Sadge

[distant mesa]

👀

Unlucky

[marsh fjord]

it keeps giving me the same items

i think i need to come back tomorrow

😄

[zenith fox]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[echo yoke]

i think i'm blind, whats bis for assassin rogue keys?

[thorn crater]

valor

valor

and valor

if u are talking aobut gear

[peak bobcat]

an intellectual

[sharp onyx]

[spark scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[zenith fox]

quick question, DT opener after first envenom is it better to vanish garrote? is the the right way?

[thin imp]

!whyspir

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[verbal mantle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wheat jungle]

Is there a way to macro ambush to mutiliate so when I get a blindside proc I an just press my mutilate button? Kind of annoying having to bind ambush somewhere not on my stealth bar just to use blindside procs

[brittle burrow]

The vanish -> garotte is when the first imp garotte is in the pandemic time window, not direct after first envenom

[spare bobcat]

Nah the game and vocal players want you to have to play piano.

[loud galleon]

Should I have more than 3% haste?

[random fossil]

Bro just alt your mutilate keybind how is that piano

[brittle burrow]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[loud galleon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/46QLcwfdMrbMorqKTbM8NS

[spare bobcat]

He doesn't want a mut keybind. He wants to not have to keybind ambush in his out of stealth keybinds

[wheat jungle]

What do you mean? Piano? I just like to have ambush bound to my stealth bar and not have to bind it again on another bind just for blindside. Is there a way?

[oak sky]

Trust your sim, take whatever gear the sim says is strongest no matter what stats it has

[loud galleon]

idk how to sim.

[zenith fox]

okay understood, thanks bud

[spare bobcat]

No. It is made difficult on purpose. There is a not a way. If you macro them, it will not work how you want it to work. It will not mut unless you have a blindside proc then ambush, no matter what you do.

[oak sky]

Pretty sure theres a guide somewhere, but the basics are to use droptimizer on raidbots to check what items will be good upgrades for you, and to use top gear to see which pieces you currently have are the strongest

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[oak sky]

Hmmm

Not exactly what i was looking for

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[loud galleon]

im confused

[strange python]

i am now commited to the puzzle box life

[loud galleon]

i love puzzle box.

[oak sky]

Check out that guide and if youre still confused about simming feel free to ask questions from anyone here

[loud galleon]

Yeah. I am just. Still confused. Entirely. Like. Sure, I ran the sim but. That didn't give me anything.

[wheat jungle]

Hmm ok. Is there maybe a way to make my primary bar change to stealth bar when blindside procs? Similar to how shadow dance works?

[oak sky]

Well you ran a quick sim which just tells you a theoretical amount of damage you can do, but the top gear, gear compare, and droptimizer can compare different talents, gear, etc to see which one gives you the most damage

[loud galleon]

mkay. still doesnt help but okay.

[sand elm]

looking for some tips for raszageth if anyone wouldnt mind checking my log for it out pls 🙂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3TXvVRKMDhL7xbgn/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1435

[strange python]

lariat good for assa as well ?

[spice spire]

How are you confused, specifically? (Not grilling trying to help!)

[spare bobcat]

Not that I'm aware of. If it was allowed, I'd make an addon that would assign your optimal next ability to your spellbar hotkeyed for "1" and just spam 1 all the way to 100% parses. High skill players don't want me to be able to do that though, so it is against the rules.

[spice spire]

[wheat jungle]

Blindside is hardly adding a load of skill. Just means you have to put ambush on a bind which is not your main bar. It's just annoying. Doesn't fit with how my binds are grouped

[verbal mantle]

well the best way is just to bind ambush and learn how to play with it

it's really not that annoying

nor difficult

[spare bobcat]

I agree and honestly most rotations are like this. Just annoying for the sake of being tedious. Some people call it "interesting"

[oak sky]

Ambush is a waste of an ability if we never press it

Its a simple proc that doesnt add much difficulty but it varies our rotation a bit

Thats why i like it personally

[spare bobcat]

See. They exist.

[verbal mantle]

some ppl call it interesting, blows my mind to find this "annoying"

[oak sky]

And people who like spamming mutilate for 5 minutes also exist

[wheat jungle]

Yeah I like it for that. The reason it’s annoying is that unlike dance it doesn’t change your bar so where you’d normally bind ambush to stealth bar, now it needs to be somewhere else

[spare bobcat]

That would be me if I could parse doing it.

Closest thing I have to it is assassin rogue in WOTLK

[spice spire]

Bro

I look at a log for 5 minutes and come back to blindside complaints

[verbal mantle]

[spice spire]

Dispatch rogue was the best rogue get woke

[raven acorn]

if your main action bar changed to stealth bar for every blindside proc, you would then need to have other abilities on the same bar to use intead of ambush, if said ambush would over cap you on combo points - easy enough to jsut assign it to a non-main-action bar slot and bind it shift + whatever your stealth ambush bar has for a KB

[runic hinge]

Adding a new keybind is just blizzards way of nerfing me tbh

I only use 1-9 if it doesn’t fit I don’t press it

[spare bobcat]

Right because the real ask here is for a macro that does "If blindside is proc'd cast ambush, else cast mutilate"

[verbal mantle]

ppl out there trying to mix action bars shenanigans when you just put ambush in your bar and just bind it, done deal

[random fossil]

F1 ambush gang

[raven acorn]

just because blindside procs, doesn't dictate you must use it on the next GCD - you wouldn't use it if the ability that proced the blindside put you at max or max-1 CP

personally ambush is alt + E

[flint tusk]

Damn some people are absolute monsters.
Just going through logs from tonights raids and i'm like averaging 50-70% parse and sometimes that's going ham when i'm allowed. how on earth are people so much further ahead. Got a tiny bit of improvement on my bleed up time. probably preparing before a mechanic better as i learn fights but damn

[spare bobcat]

Correct, which is why you'd want to have that if else mutilate macro. You don't care how the combo points are generated, you just want to do damage and generate them in the most efficient way - without going over cap of course.

[raven acorn]

unfortunately that type of macro is not allowed, but yes that would be easier for sure

[spare bobcat]

Yup. Sadge. But this is also what I've found.

[raven acorn]

while i do agree there was a lot of button bloat from sl > df, i dont find it to be too cumbersome, just learning new muscle memories for extra binds

if it were that big of a deal i would jsut switch to like bm hunter and press the 4 required buttons

[supple pelican]

Preplanning is a large part of it, damage is easier if you’re prepared for what’s coming rather than reacting all the time

[spare bobcat]

I disagree, but in the end it doesn't matter what I think. I'll always argue for less button bloat though.

[wheat jungle]

Eww! I can't use any of the F keys. Feels wrong somehow

I suppose I could macro mutilate with a modifier? So it's mutilate by default but ambush if I hold alt?

[raven acorn]

correct

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor if rogue good why do I do no damage? You enjoying the FotM dumpsterfire?

[flint tusk]

Yeh. we've not been using consumes just yet so that's also probably part of it. going to see on repeat clears if i'm messing something up as i don't feel like i'm bottom third on razi normal

[flint tusk]

this is what i use for exactly this situation

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt] Ambush; Mutilate

[wheat jungle]

That's an acceptable solution for me. I'll do that, thanks guys

[balmy condor]

Ride with the mob, Alhamdulillah
Check in with me and do your job
Ferg is the name, Ben Baller did the chain
Tourneau for the watch, presi Plain Jane

Also I become irrationally irate when “just keybind ambush” isn’t an answer but a modifier macro is some secret insider hack

That’s a keybind

You just put two keybinds on one action bar key

They’re the same thing

[verbal mantle]

[raven acorn]

the only downside to mod macros for proced abilities is the actionbutton glow doesn't show unless the mod is pressed, not really much of a deal but jsut to point that out

[cerulean walrus]

WeakAuras are the solution there

[balmy condor]

First of all, great name, my mothers been very happy since she met you, but also that’s a great point

[cerulean walrus]

[frozen iris]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr I’m gonna need you to go even harder to scare all the FotMs away

[balmy condor]

As a kid instead of eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches

I made myself peanut butter and butter sandwiches

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

I really recommend it tbh you don’t think it works but the oil from the butter keeps the peanut butter from sticking to the roof of your mouth

It’s a pretty good quality of life

[frozen iris]

I’ll have to try it. But tbh it’s butter so it’s gotta be good. I have some backwater friends who like penut butter and American cheese sandwiches

[cerulean nest]

what order on H Kurog are you guys generally going?

[tacit pebble]

have y'all had any luck finding a flaring cowl crafter? seems like no one has the damn pattern

[limber lion]

Nope nada

[balmy condor]

looks like we went fire ice earth lightning and then did the last 20 seconds in ice maybe just to even the stacks out

[tacit pebble]

these crafted pattern raid drops are way too rare, in 2 weeks of normal/heroic full clears we've had 1 pattern drop

wait its not even a pattern drop, just no one on this server is deep enough in that LW tree lol

my bad

[broken fractal]

yeah you're just getting bodied by leatherworkers

[marble hemlock]

that explains quite a bit actually

[spice spire]

Val made banana and Mayo sandwiches

Which is more disgusting?

Probably her thing but you’re is close

[balmy condor]

God i love white people

[spice spire]

That makes one of us

[pastel nimbus]

Why does JPC hold the vanish here in the opener? https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelyFairIguanaHotPokket-lHs1e5G01hzuAPyK?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api

[balmy condor]

cause he read the FAQ looks like

you should try it sometime

[analog oasis]

he's outlaw

[balmy condor]

who is

[analog oasis]

oh, didn't see the clip linked

[dense cedar]

[balmy condor]

yeah that would be helpful

[idle coyote]

Man Whispyr

[balmy condor]

yes mr girth

tis I

[idle coyote]

Nothing brings me joy like waking up to your dry responses to people it makes me laugh

[balmy condor]

good

that's the intent

[pastel nimbus]

lol ty

[dense cedar]

when do we get the wet whispyr responses?

[obsidian beacon]

Whispyr’s like our dad

[pastel nimbus]

so how exactly does the timing line up when delaying vanish?

[balmy condor]

oh boy

okay so you know how exsang works right

like you speed up the bleeds

the bleeds go boom

[idle coyote]

We need a check the car fax emote

[pastel nimbus]

right

[balmy condor]

okay

so what does this say

[pastel nimbus]

lol I see this

But I'm saying how does vanish line up with the other cd's next cd round?

[viscid spear]

Abandoned us in NJ twenty years ago and disappeared?

[pastel nimbus]

exsang is 3 min and vanish + deathmark are 2 mins

[obsidian beacon]

Yeah because he had to become dad to all of us in #ass

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor you gonna implode soon or?

[marble hemlock]

you can do the math yourself. it would line up again at 6 minutes (3*2=6)

then its a simple "is the fight shorter or longer than that" question

if its shorter, you hold exsang at 3minutes to line up with dm at 4minutes, since you only get 2uses anyway

is the fight longer, then you send exsang on CD

this concept can be applied to any set of cooldowns

[obsidian beacon]

I thought using exsang + dm together fucked dm’s dmg? Lemme find where it says that in FAQs.

Unless that’s for a different build

[marble hemlock]

using dm into exsang

fucks it up

[obsidian beacon]

Oh wait I misread you

Ya ya

[marble hemlock]

using exsang into dm is

[obsidian beacon]

So anyway can we talk about how op grieftorch is

[marble hemlock]

i like the overall approach

[dense cedar]

Kinda sick of channeled beam trinkets being good

[marble hemlock]

"remember this super cool trinket from guldan?"
"you mean draught of souls"
"ye"
"wasnt it super broken?"
"ye"
"wanna make another one?"
"ye"
"we gonna balance it this time?"
"nah"

[dense cedar]

think we've had enough of them

[obsidian beacon]

Oh, this is my first time using one so Im not sick of it

[dense cedar]

[obsidian beacon]

[exotic parcel]

Anyone wanna take a quick look at my logs of the first 4 bosses on hc? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VYDtK73G2d8yP1Xj#type=summary&boss=-3&difficulty=0é

Eranog and council were decent but terros only had a 65 while i was alive till the end

[subtle tundra]

yea i dont enjoy a trinket that just does damage being so high up

[balmy condor]

despair

when you see this in your key

[marble hemlock]

stop being elitist

theyre having fun while youre miserable

[balmy condor]

I need my ring man

[dense cedar]

after countless runs of CoS

I've gotten 3 bits of loot in my name

all 3 are the same piece

With a loot table like that idk how its possible

[spice spire]

Good luck. Hopefully you have better luck than I do papi

[balmy condor]

need the @gusty mirage funnel

[grizzled jay]

will probably farm for my hunger and dagger this weekend

halls here i come

[dull cloak]

kinda toxic to new players

[tulip sky]

is the crafted neck still worth after the nerfs?

[raven acorn]

totally agree, just wanted to make whomever uses mod macros for things like that aware

[grizzled jay]

Helm + Lariat still bis iirc

[spice spire]

Amen

[gusty mirage]

i'll come funnel you your ring habibi

[balmy condor]

you mean the 5% nerf that made it a 1.04% upgrade instead of 1.1%?

yeah

that's still worth

[grizzled jay]

actually does Sin want Helm + Ring

idk

[brazen zodiac]

which ring u ned

[silk bane]

took me exactly 47 runs to get it 🙂 still no trinket though :^^^^^^^^^^^^))

[brazen zodiac]

i am a master of getting rings

[tulip sky]

i didnt know the numbers, no need to be like that

[balmy condor]

it's a 12 court, I'd hope they aren't new players

[balmy condor]

cos

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor invite me

cmon

lets go

[balmy condor]

tastyge

[grizzled jay]

i got Brood dagger last night :)

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

triple rogue

[balmy condor]

HELLLLLLLLL YEAH

[grizzled jay]

dh tank and mw

[brazen zodiac]

outlaw sin and sub all in harmony

[weak horizon]

How strong is this ring?

[gusty mirage]

funny you say that

[grizzled jay]

you can invite me

i'll go sub

[dull cloak]

you actually can't go wrong with triple rogue right now

[grizzled jay]

feel like double rogue + ww probably stronger

prot tank druid healer

[worldly sphinx]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grizzled jay]

fun comp

[brazen zodiac]

i call dibs on sin its all i can play

whisp lemme see tht outlaw

[gusty mirage]

nah that other dude's got it

we gotta flip a coin to see who plays sub

[balmy condor]

I'm setting up sub keybinds

[gusty mirage]

lmao

the mad lad actually did it

signed up for a +15 yesterday

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

uh oh

[gusty mirage]

guy goes "why are you even here"

flag for aoe

and dark brew

or some shit

dunno

[balmy condor]

i copy pasted some import

[gusty mirage]

bro just swap back

lmao

[balmy condor]

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[gusty mirage]

yeah I tried setting up sub

then the game put the raid portals in 1-3

and I swapped back

[balmy condor]

there's a 3 min boat ride

I got this

[gusty mirage]

this man dead ass walking around with vanessa van cleef

like its still legion

[earnest remnant]

just go this

[marble hemlock]

shaw bis

cuz he onetapped raremobs

[gusty mirage]

smh

cheating on garona like that?

[balmy condor]

going double dance

[gusty mirage]

he doesn't even give you the import

[balmy condor]

single dance that much better?

[gusty mirage]

he just links you a photo

LMAO

[marble hemlock]

gonna cheat on you if you keep up this bratty attitude

[silk bane]

single dance does more damage and is less awkward to play i swear

[marble hemlock]

anyway, sleep time

cant wait to wake up to massive raszageth nerfs

[balmy condor]

sure

I play it

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor give tank lead

you fuck

[earnest imp]

@balmy condor in your spreadsheet the "non exsangunate" DTB build contains the same build as with exsangunate

[spice spire]

Bro this fucking screams my key with whispyr in s4 when he went outlaw

[earnest imp]

Where do you swap the exsangunate point to or ist it completeldiff route?

[silk bane]

@balmy condor now its streaming time! sub whispyr is premium content I gotta see 😄

[balmy condor]

look at the comparisons

[balmy condor]

not today soz

[hushed urchin]

IS DTB that much better than KB? I don't see anything in the FAQ about a camparison

[dim geode]

question for the hivemind on Alg'ethar Puzzle Box. In the opener should we channel it before Deathmark or before pull (playing DTB)

[spice spire]

Before dm

[hushed urchin]

I do it before exang is that bad?

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t be, no. You don’t want to waste your globals from Exsang > dm.

[hushed urchin]

Please help 😦

[dim geode]

DTB performing very good in raid for me right now

with 2 set only

havnt tried KB but dont think there is much in it.

[hushed urchin]

Both are performing well

I do more dam with KB and I have 2pc

But everyone is using DTB

but I do no dam

[peak bobcat]

DTB is easy thats why everyone plays it

[cedar mist]

Facts

[dim geode]

yeah, its very easy

[cedar mist]

myself included lmao

[hushed urchin]

IS that really it?

[dim geode]

yep

[cedar mist]

yeah kinda

[dim geode]

It's much easier than KB

[cedar mist]

its all passive

relatively

[hushed urchin]

So is KB stronger single target then?

I'm not tripping?

or bad DTB

[cedar mist]

I can see it being so if done consistently well

[dim geode]

last numbers I saw were like 1% stronger or something

[hushed urchin]

I thought I was just play DTB wrong

[dim geode]

but in reality, DTB is much more friendly to mnistakes

[hushed urchin]

Well thanks because I was panicking

I thought the 2pc made DTB stronger

And I had to switch and I was doing something wrong

I probably still am

Becasue I go from 40k to 33k in practical scenarios

[cedar mist]

I mean if youre doing more damage with KB in practice then keep do what youre doin tbh

Clearly you vibe with that build over DTB

[hushed urchin]

I came back to rogue becasue of KB

I played it a lot in Legion

I play it every expac but I never mained it until now

long overdue

[cedar silo]

big question so i have grieftorch and my sim shows that and puzzle to be my trinket combo but thats gotta be a bait right no way 2 on use channel trinkets is actually bis

[peak bobcat]

use puzzlebox with CDs, use grieftorch on cd after

[cedar silo]

snapshot puzzle with big cds always feels very awkward

[trim zinc]

here

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

@earnest remnant what a weird spec

does it take tea just for the mastery or what

[earnest remnant]

on AoE yes

[balmy condor]

weird

[earnest remnant]

ST its like assa

[balmy condor]

cev told me to macro cb and sectec together

but they never line up

[earnest remnant]

every other on ST and on AoE i dont remember

[oak sky]

Probably hold cb for sectech right

[earnest remnant]

yes

[oak sky]

So yeah macro

Ezpz

[balmy condor]

super weird

hate danse btw

danse is jank

[oak sky]

I am a cold blood hater

Sorry stealthi

[earnest remnant]

danse is just a passive, on AoE only thing is shadowstrike on 6 or less targets

[gusty mirage]

well

I won it for the spec boys

[oak sky]

Do you not gloom at all

[gusty mirage]

I won the spec off

[balmy condor]

bro idk what I'm doing

[gusty mirage]

we beat outlaw

that's the important part

[earnest remnant]

on AoE no

[balmy condor]

I didn't bind tea until halfway through the key

[oak sky]

Oxi got that bleeding edge rizz

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

I got 4 arms rank 1s today

[drifting cloud]

whispyr pinging stealthi about sub in assa channel, the end is close

[ebon notch]

:3

[gusty mirage]

damn bro

that's wild

[oak sky]

I bet you have 4p

[ebon notch]

Thank u

[gusty mirage]

I peeped your meters

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

gaped by the assa rogue

smh

[oak sky]

Disgusting warrior stinker

[balmy condor]

what a cranker spell

16% sectec?

[ebon notch]

On terros?

[balmy condor]

ridiculous

[gusty mirage]

only saw a brown name not first

rank 1 this

[oak sky]

Black powder 💀

[ebon notch]

Still rank 1

Also I died

[ebon notch]

1.1k overkill

[gusty mirage]

chad damage breakdown

[balmy condor]

need to pad more I guess

[drifting cloud]

what ilvl is that windscar

[ebon notch]

Bro I do more bleed damage as arms than an assa rogue

[balmy condor]

I had more sectec casts than I did black powder casts

[oak sky]

Sooooo is this like with tier?

[balmy condor]

that shouldn't be happening right

[gusty mirage]

yeah that crazy assassination 2pc

that's a whole ass 1% damage in dslice

[oak sky]

Wait thats dtb

[balmy condor]

this week?

fuck yeah

dtb cranks

[gusty mirage]

bro I ain't pushing +24s

where we need the trash damage

[oak sky]

Im like really lazy

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

And i just been playing the same build in my weekly 16 no leavers or whatever

[balmy condor]

I highly think dtb better in high keys too

for tyran

[gusty mirage]

yea

easily

so much more boss damage

[oak sky]

We actually do zdps on tyran

With kb ic

[gusty mirage]

for similar pathetic aoe

[oak sky]

The aoe is good with kb ic tbh

Well

Its not awful

[keen raven]

3m trinket is cranking nanj

[oak sky]

You can hit like 200k maybe with a good pull size

[gusty mirage]

I tried getting the homie his whetstone or ring

[balmy condor]

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[gusty mirage]

and I failed

[runic hinge]

This is why I can’t get flag off my sub WA I bet

[gusty mirage]

ye its prolly triggering

cause we're still technically soulbound

[balmy condor]

shit game

[gusty mirage]

smol indie company

[ebon notch]

This happens to me all the time

I have the necro banner thing in my spellbook

[runic hinge]

How do I get my soul back

[gusty mirage]

you sold it for a sylv dagger

unlucky

[runic hinge]

You’re not wrong

[gusty mirage]

I still have mine in the bank

[ebon notch]

@oak sky got 2 piece on rogue today

[oak sky]

I have 3p

Hopefully 4p today

Once we do broodkeeper normal+heroic

[gusty mirage]

right there next to the other dinosaur artifacts

[ebon notch]

Need to farm m+ on rogue this week

[oak sky]

Same

I have 395 whetstone

[gusty mirage]

you need to farm some bitches

[oak sky]

But i need not puzzle box

[ebon notch]

What's the setup for assa on tyran

[oak sky]

What oxi did

[balmy condor]

dtb m+

[ebon notch]

Or is it a sub angle

[oak sky]

Well yeah its a sub angle

[ebon notch]

Is it the build from FAQ?

[gusty mirage]

BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVLSikIJClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSaJJiAREJWQA

enjoy

[oak sky]

Ct prio in st with amp poison

[balmy condor]

yes

[ebon notch]

Ok sick

[balmy condor]

inconclusive tbh

I don't notice a difference either way

[oak sky]

Its just like sod

Dps neutral

So people can argue about it

[balmy condor]

I haven't simmed CT logic in a while

but it seemed okay to drop

[ebon notch]

Is sub much better than dtb for m+?

[oak sky]

More aoe

[balmy condor]

probably not

but yeh

more aoe

[oak sky]

Maybe more st too

[empty hinge]

More pad dam

[ebon notch]

Rly?

[gusty mirage]

sub gives up a chunk of damage for aoe

[ebon notch]

Ok thanks

[prisma cypress]

what talent build are people using for the council fight? same as the m+ IC one? or just changing specs? lol

[empty hinge]

Weren’t you a warrior main daps

[ebon notch]

I'll go do some testing

[empty hinge]

[ebon notch]

I am yes but need my rogue prepped

[oak sky]

Hes a multiclass freakazoid

[gusty mirage]

I just play kb+ic

[ebon notch]

Some fights may need it

[empty hinge]

Ok king

[oak sky]

Council i was going kb/ic but with no kb and no blindside pretty much

[ebon notch]

Council I was sitting in ranged bleeding out to marks

[oak sky]

Whispyr had a setup with pb tho

[gusty mirage]

whispyr has yo mom's phone number too

[oak sky]

Yeah?

Well i have his dads

[ebon notch]

What's our opener on packs with the dtb build

[small meteor]

Garrote garrote garrote

[ebon notch]

I saw something about 4 garrotes and then using vanish + IC

[balmy condor]

well you don't have IC with DTB

so thats rough

[prisma cypress]

[ebon notch]

Oof

[thorny pond]

Why boss why can’t I

[ebon notch]

Puts a hole in that plan

[gusty mirage]

cuz you touch yourself during the day

try doing it at night

[thorny pond]

Based

[ebon notch]

Smh oxi why you bullying people today

[thorny pond]

I have no retort

It’s not bullying

[torpid spoke]

Is there a consumable list for Sin?

[gusty mirage]

its okay, just kiss me instead

[torpid spoke]

Which phial do we use?

[gusty mirage]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

tepid versatility or elemental chaos

[thorny pond]

Fotm rogue over here psh

[ebon notch]

Oxi you're tepid

[thorny pond]

You’re lukewarm

[gusty mirage]

yes I am

[ebon notch]

How dare you

[thorny pond]

Go boil your feet

[ebon notch]

I'm in the bath rn so

[balmy condor]

not the british dude trying to tell people they're tepid

[ebon notch]

I will get on that

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

Kill me

[ebon notch]

I'm barely British

[gusty mirage]

it's true

[thorny pond]

Bri- TISH

[gusty mirage]

he's a child of colonialism

[ebon notch]

Tish tosh

[sharp onyx]

Deal

[ebon notch]

Pish posh

[gusty mirage]

I need to rip a shower before raid

[thorny pond]

Bet you boil water in the microwave

[ebon notch]

Who

[gusty mirage]

I asked

[ebon notch]

Who is he accusing

[gusty mirage]

oh

[ebon notch]

Or boiling water in the microwave

[gusty mirage]

sorry this place has given me PTSD

[ebon notch]

You're a simp oxi smh

[sharp onyx]

Considering it happens to me in Vc

I feel you

[oak sky]

Barely british: bo'o'o'wah'uh

[ebon notch]

Hahahhaa

I taught my French healer how to say that

Was amazing

[oak sky]

I remember

Razhag

[ebon notch]

I miss him

[oak sky]

Where did he go?

[ebon notch]

French guild

We were not French enough

[oak sky]

Didnt drink enough nocco

[ebon notch]

Bro he misses the Nocco

One of our raiders bought and shipped some to him

[gusty mirage]

I heard nocco tastes like shit

[oak sky]

U coming to blizzcon or what daps

[ebon notch]

Is it in America

[arctic hare]

Is dragon tempered blades supposed to be so much lower than my Kingsbane?

[gusty mirage]

no

[oak sky]

Its in my zone bro

[arctic hare]

Hmm, odd

[gusty mirage]

to both of those questions

[arctic hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tdZ2MfDrKRwWnTtmK7kgya

freaky af then.

[ebon notch]

Bro unless liquid is flying me out idk if i want to go

[oak sky]

Im gonna go if anyone i know is going

[ebon notch]

@oak sky sim my rogue for me

[oak sky]

Any guildy or rogue friend

Im not at home bro

[ebon notch]

I logged out in my gear

@gusty mirage you busy?

[gusty mirage]

yea that's a bit odd for them to be that far apart

[arctic hare]

Yeah, I thought it would be, maybe its my shitty ass trinkets?

[gusty mirage]

I just have to raid in 20 minutes daps, how can I help you this fine evening

[ebon notch]

Can you sim my rogue quickly

[gusty mirage]

no

[ebon notch]

😦

[empty hinge]

I can sim it

[oak sky]

Tbh ill do it from my phone if they wont do it

[empty hinge]

If you give me 2 minutes

[ebon notch]

Sure

[gusty mirage]

Maybe, but man 3.1% is a lot

[arctic hare]

Yeah, something is fucking it up, bad.

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor did you see rank 1 terros assa btw

Me and cev were looking at it

Was a bit sus

[sand elm]

when u guys are doing dathea, do u try and skirt the cyclone pull in for uptime? or play it safe

[ebon notch]

Strafe while hitting

[empty hinge]

@ebon notch do u just want quick sim

[ebon notch]

I end up walking forward at the same time

[empty hinge]

or are u giving me a paste bin with ur simc

[ebon notch]

Ye

[sand elm]

not asking how or should btw. just curious how every1 else is doing it

[gusty mirage]

try swapping around your trinkets

put puzzle box in slot 1

[arctic hare]

Hmm, okay.

[balmy condor]

I mean it's 4 PI's and windfury, fuck ton of gear, and some good crit rng

[arctic hare]

Would that really make that much of a difference tho/

[ebon notch]

Ye that's how I do it at least

[balmy condor]

whats sus about it

[gusty mirage]

ye the sims use 1st slot first

[ebon notch]

Just insanely high

[arctic hare]

Ahhhhh, okay.

[ebon notch]

And we weren't fully sure why

[gusty mirage]

so you're prolly getting puzzle box outside of DM

and the kaka trinket inside of DM

[balmy condor]

doesn't seem that high

[oak sky]

This is the way

[balmy condor]

dudes got a 418 weapon, 4 set, 400 ilvl, he's getting every external known to man

[limber lion]

I have all of that but not 4swt

[arctic hare]

K, running it again.

[limber lion]

And my best pull was 70k

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

He was simming 2k more than me

[ebon notch]

Ye what he said

[arctic hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fZVJ1gUDj3hFqeHK5fKYSZ Decided to add sophic devo for the lols

[limber lion]

Not 10k

[ebon notch]

I forgot that bit

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I couldn't find 10k anywhere personally.

[arctic hare]

But dragon tempered is still WAY below

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's prolly a whispyr or cev looksie kinda thing

[balmy condor]

I mean his crits insane no?

55% mut crit

[limber lion]

No clue didn't look at crits to be fair

That was yesterday during prog

[ebon notch]

Either it crits or it don't

[balmy condor]

he got 52 ambush hits

[ebon notch]

55% sounds right

[balmy condor]

that's above average too

[limber lion]

I'll do a comparison tomorrow if I remember

A side by side

[balmy condor]

idk, he's just geared out of his mind and got lucky I don't see anything weird

[limber lion]

Not on pc anymore ggs

[drifting cloud]

well this guy is a known cranker, maybe just a god rng pull?

[ebon notch]

Are you in bath too cev

[limber lion]

Eating and bedge

[empty hinge]