assassination

[glossy galleon]

it makes our openers just luck

which sucks ass

[shell osprey]

saw wisps sim is saying -6 percent overall?

for sin

with the talent nerfs in there

[full coral]

ye combo w the er

dtb better off bc don’t care abt the er portion

[cold rampart]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[full coral]

but kinda depends on what fight etc bc exec value still p poggers

[spice spire]

The vibes are off with the opener - numerically nerf is fine tho

[shell osprey]

oh did kingsblood need er more?

[full coral]

opener is gna feel so ass

[spice spire]

No

[full coral]

do we know if the 2 anima cp are random

[spice spire]

sometimes

[full coral]

or is it fixed to be same two every time

[spice spire]

Afaik it is random

[full coral]

[shell osprey]

thats gonna be bad feeling if rng lol

[glossy galleon]

its just gonna feel like shit every time you open and miss the charge

[spice spire]

I mean it’s been there for a bit

[full coral]

repull i didn’t get right cp

[glossy galleon]

yeah lmao

[spice spire]

Anyone else get a 3cp MA Mut in opener with 35+ crit?

Or was that just me more often than should happen?

[subtle tundra]

Ma is 30

Bucko

[glossy galleon]

just get 70% crit

[subtle tundra]

So 65% isn't that high

[viscid spear]

One top optimization for using Snowstorm is to have 50% Haste in order to be able to get CoC off before your group breaks your Nova

[glossy galleon]

lmao

[quaint dragon]

whats best weapon enchant for m+?

[exotic robin]

One Frozen one sophic i think?

[celest ruin]

isnt 2x sophic good for m+ as well?

[exotic robin]

I saw frozen on few logs, it seemed fine, but idk

[dusty zenith]

For Razagath fight. Would it be ok to drop SBS and Doomblade to pick up Crimson and Knives for add damage

[flint tusk]

honestly anything is Ok
but i personally haven't picked up CT for it.
Envenom>FOK>envenom>FOK has worked great. as they don't last long

[flint ridge]

i'm not rich im not poor either but if I have some gold for bronze recraft, do i do it? tell me why not.

[royal lantern]

is 0,1% more SIM dps worth the Price for you

[flint ridge]

bronze is .1??

[celest helm]

how do you add the damage proc effect to your molten shortblade

not familiar with the crafting system yet

[gleaming geyser]

not getting a single piece of tier first week

[flint tusk]

join the club

[gleaming geyser]

[flint tusk]

i'm now backfilling with pvp gear 🙂

[spice spire]

It wasn’t in sofo buckaroo

Stay awake brethren

[subtle tundra]

reading the context it didnt seem obvious you were talking about sofo

be clear or be dear

idk what that means

[spice spire]

In what opener do we now use mutilate during MA

[subtle tundra]

m+?

[spice spire]

Ur stretching it

[subtle tundra]

im not?

i literally do that

i play ma in m+

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Do you Mut?

[subtle tundra]

yes

what do you want me to press

to get cp

[gleaming geyser]

poisoned knife

[spice spire]

More often than not garrote into aoe

[subtle tundra]

didnt know m+ meant aoe only

[sand garnet]

Where can I find the spec spreadsheet?

[spice spire]

“More often than not”

[subtle tundra]

but i still mutilate often

so yes my point was correct

[celest helm]

if running MA when would you use it in m+

[viscid spear]

Didn't know tanks only pull a single mob at a time in a dungeon

[subtle tundra]

didnt know bosses dont exist

[spice spire]

More often than not

I know English isn’t first language, but you’re smarter than this

[subtle tundra]

that changes nothing to the initial argument

about mutilate in ma

it still happens

[spice spire]

Yeah the initial point was Sofo, but we’ve moved to current content

Unsure what your point is atm

[subtle tundra]

and did you mention sofo?

[spice spire]

No, but sequencing matters here:

Into

Is a heavy implication to our past expansion

Where here it matters infinitely less

[subtle tundra]

i dont get the implication

[spice spire]

Opener rng mattering

In the end, little. But it was a common MA thing in shadowlands in general. Sofo just had more stats, so it felt worse then

[subtle tundra]

simple solution to rng opener

for previous expansion

play subterfuge

ez

[steady prairie]

welp, i have the gear...time to figure out how to play sin again after a few years of outlaw degeneracy

[spice spire]

Amen

[fiery bear]

maybe a noob question, does 3% ability nerf affect poisons directly as well? Also FAQ's say to use sbs if charges are about to cap but for a boss like terros does it make sense to use it again?

[steady prairie]

iirc its a 3% damage aura nerf, thats affects everyhting

[spice spire]

3% is all abilities, not white hits.
As for sbs

Just use them as necessary. If you have to do a mechanic where you run out, sure. But it’s not something that’s a major thing. You just don’t want to cap because it’s CP at a discounted rate and does decent damage

[gleaming geyser]

kingsbane + poisoned knife spam gang

[thorn fjord]

poggers

[cedar elm]

any good video guides for assaa?

[spice spire]

Video guides often quickly outdated. So not that I’m aware of. But it’s a constant issue

2 nerfs since expansion dropped and one leading up to it, a guide made a week before expansion would be insanely obsolete at this point

[jaunty nest]

is dragon tempered blades better than kingsbane

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

yo @spice spire was T1 better than T2?

[steady prairie]

yes but barely

[thorn fjord]

T as in Terminator btw

[spice spire]

No

T2 was the best terminator movie and I will not take questions at this time

[cedar elm]

i see, its just easier for me to learn via videos. thanks anyways

[spice spire]

No worries, sucks but that’s the way of it

Infinitely more effort

Just to be undone in a week feelsbad

[steady prairie]

so what is the opener so sin (top single target build)?

didnt see it in pins so am curious

[spice spire]

You didn’t see it in pins because it’s in #assassination-faq

Pins pt 2 electric boogaloo

[steady prairie]

pins everywhere

[spice spire]

Yes man

[outer cairn]

Amp poison will stack quickly. It's not something you need to be cognizant of. Just play normally.

[young flicker]

yo, anyone around thats good at reading logs for DTB sin build? I feel like im doing everything right, but my parse is poor for ilvl

[strange python]

There's a lot of reasons for that early in the xpac. Weapons, trinkets, and tier have a big impact.

[outer cairn]

enchants

kill time

[strange python]

If you're rocking high ilvl but tons of vers and no crit it'd be bad, too.

[outer cairn]

also uptime on boss. Sin bleeds and poisons help make up for that, but if you get got with a mechanic or something thats time you're not mut/envenom

[thin inlet]

man assa got so many buttons for the m+ spec

i thought outlaw was already tons

is there any spec with more?

[young flicker]

I dont think my vers is that bad, using a sub/sin set, but my trinkets are bad. I had v high uptime on boss though

[outer cairn]

for KB+IC

[thin inlet]

yh thats what im playing rn

[young flicker]

envenom was up 93% tho

[outer cairn]

Unless you're RWF and mythic raiding right now, its probably things like gear and kill times really. Biggest thing is that if you're staying alive and killing bosses, you're already better than like more than half of rogues. Or just getting hard carried lol. Request a log review and see where you can tighten up.

[outer cairn]

There ain't that many buttons. Just stealth, IC, garrote, snd, er, rupture, fok, ct spam winning

[thin inlet]

• 2 others on the side

most classes ive seen have half fo this

[frigid pilot]

Imagine playing sin keys

[outer cairn]

i mean, if thats what you prefer and have the muscle memory down, go for it.

[young flicker]

where can I request a log review? and yeah, mechs were NP. I do know that always using my defensives (and staying alive lol) contribute to the dps loss there

[outer cairn]

here. you just post it and ask if someone can review your log. whispyr, quake, maybe oxii or cev will take a look

[young flicker]

If its still bad after I replace these trinkets then ill probably do that lol

[outer cairn]

what trinkets do you have

[young flicker]

dwarven raid horn and erupting spear frag...ive had terrible rng for trinkets, and they are decent for sub in M+

[steady prairie]

sorry to do this:

[outer cairn]

i don't even know wtf the raid horn is. spear frag ain't bad i guess, but another thing is when are you using it

[young flicker]

yeah, i hate you. Ive been farming the whetstone for awhile now lol

i use spear frag on the opener then with deathmark if it lines up

if not then with ER/shivs

[steady prairie]

oh to make it worse

[thin inlet]

so many cancer trinkets this expac to use

spear frag not being able to hit yourself is rly annoying

[outer cairn]

i still have a 372 irideus fragment that i haven't replaced but its still good

[steady prairie]

2 heroic daggers

[thin inlet]

and the puzzle being cast

[outer cairn]

did terros literalyl drop two daggers?

[steady prairie]

dropped 2 daggers and i was only rogue in raid LOL

[outer cairn]

bruh

he dropped one for us and i was only rogue so i got that. we had killed raz so also upgraded my shortblade to 405, so at least rocking decent weapons for now

[steady prairie]

and yes, earthen writ, because i dont have 1million gold to drop on enchants

[outer cairn]

i'm waiitng for a trinket to sell on the ah so i can slap sophic 3 on my shortblade

and i put fang on it for now too

[young flicker]

i got lucky and got ornamental claw and shard of terros, but on normal, this week

[outer cairn]

i had claw, but the 405 and 402 beat it so

[young flicker]

becase of the embellishment?

[steady prairie]

heres the problem....i have the daggers but so far i dont like sin lol

[outer cairn]

well ilvl alone = more dmg

claw was normal at 398. sim said use the 405 and 402. robot following robot

[steady prairie]

well yeah, but im doing something seriously wrong with my sin rotation (trying to figure it out atm) and i get like 10k more damage in outlaw single target atm

[outer cairn]

what do you think you're doing wrong

[solid mica]

Int dagger

[steady prairie]

so i get the opener but i must be spamming to hard outside of opener (curse of outlaw strikes again). how frequently should i be using tea/shiv/spike?

[shy pendant]

I found out the hard way and after raid that draconium stiletto is not the agi version

[outer cairn]

Whispyr said this in a log review.

Whispyr — 12/16/2022 4:43 AM
so I'm just in that state of like "don't overcap and max out envenom uptime and vibe"
but I'll starve myself before shiv windows and dm windows
and that's when you tea
so while your 3 teas in a row probably isn't the worst thing
to me that's just a sign of slamming everything all the time
versus having that ebb/flow back and forth
I can't quantify that in dps really xd

For DtB, Shiv on CD. For SBS, don't cap on 3 charges. Save a Shiv for DM

[steady prairie]

son of a bitch...im gunna have to break the outlaw monkey brain aren't i?

[outer cairn]

I'm working on this as well. With tea we can hard spam, but probably shouldn't

[steady prairie]

im debating just pissing off all sin/sub rogues and not utilizing the daggers and sticking outlaw

[outer cairn]

So here's the thing, if you're playing Sin because the numbers show its higher, but you're more comfortable/better at outlaw, you're going to do more damage than playing something unfamiliar

or go hit the dummy for a goodwhile and just git gud lol

[ruby lotus]

^this 100%

[steady prairie]

im trying it partially because of the numbers, but also partially because i played a ton of sin in legion and wanted to try it again

[ruby lotus]

im way better at sin then sub./outlaw even in gameplay that those are better

because im more familiar with my sin buttons

and etc.

I just need to practice the other 2

but they are no where near the fun sin is

like they are zzzzzzzzzzz

[outer cairn]

Yeah. I'm ok at sub. it would take some retrianing to learn it. hopefully not having to swap specs based on what blizz does. I mean they nerfed sin hard in SL. Outlaw i played all season 3 and 4 so it just took some adjusting to talents, but i mainly just play the HO AoE spec if I play it

[young flicker]

i like both sin and sub, but theres nothing quite like the feeling of hitting 270k+ on burst on an M+ pull with sub

[cursive frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[outer cairn]

True, but Sin brings a bit of utility the others don't, and if you got FOTM x2 cleaving the shit out of everything, then a little extra utility and more focused ST can outweigh tornado, secret, and then ss/bp spamming

[marble hemlock]

too bad assa is the worst st spec out of the 3 when you play a m+ oriented build

[outer cairn]

i haven't really played dtb in m+. my st hasn't been to bad though this week

[young flicker]

whats the extra utility? im using my full kit as sub gouge, cheapshot, blind, kidney shot (if needed and feels bad) but is there something else sin would bring?

[ruby lotus]

aoe silence

if your KB IC

[young flicker]

ahh sheet forgot about that

[outer cairn]

6 second silence and 8 second 15% damage reduction with iron wire

on up to 8 targets

[young flicker]

I wonder what the sin aoe damage is like...having those packs go down quick has been a huge plus

[steady prairie]

so like, i can pretty effortlessly do around 40k single target on a dummy. which is...ok? but my sims are around 55k atm

[outer cairn]

I wonder if it would be beneficial to just run straight dtb raid build on tyrannical if you have the other two classes blowing shit up

[young flicker]

^ im about 10k below my sims too...56ish sim and 45+ on target dummy

[limber lion]

No, definitely not. Running the DTB m+ build though would make sense

[marble hemlock]

cool. you now do 3% more st and do 20% less aoe.

[limber lion]

You still want CT and the AoE traits

[marble hemlock]

the dtb m+ build sucks ass

[subtle tundra]

well the dtb build is a lot more st than kb

[outer cairn]

sim without all the raid buffs and stuff. otherwise, you're simming with all the whiz bang and whistles that you probably don't have on the dummy

[outer cairn]

My thoughts exactly. KB+IC on Fort, DtB on Tyrannical

[marble hemlock]

i did way better with ic/kb on any kind of aoe than with dtb, simply cause setting up a proper aoe for dtb just takes too long

[subtle tundra]

i swear boomies are the biggest sandbaggers
all i heard from my guildies how shit they are and i played with one now that just DEMOLISHED me

(granted he is from echo, but im from evolve so its all equal)

[marble hemlock]

you dont need more boss damage for tyrannical. you get a second set of CDs on tyrannical, one of which is gonna be during execute

tyrannical = aoe dmg is more important cuz you want to pull bigger

[outer cairn]

valid point

[marble hemlock]

adding 5k st dps isnt gonna make a difference in a tyrannical key

[subtle tundra]

hearing people say you want less aoe on tyra just confirms their lack of pushing knowledge

[marble hemlock]

tyrannical is about burst aoe

which dtb has none

its a 6-8GCD aoe setup

that sucks on any pull where mobs get kited

[subtle tundra]

by then ic kb build is blasting 200-300k dps

[outer cairn]

main reason i haven't been playin git

[blissful crown]

But isnt ic kb more cd heavy?

[outer cairn]

feels to long to get stuff running

[blissful crown]

Than dtb

[subtle tundra]

its low cooldowns

[steady prairie]

ok yeah nvm im just dumb.
had a bad-moderate pull with outlaw and it was like 33-35k without raid shit....i was just being too harsh lol. should be ready for sin on single target fights

[blissful crown]

Yeah but can you manage b2b pulls and have cds up?

[subtle tundra]

ic is 45 seconds. yes

[blissful crown]

I haven’t tried thats only why i’m asking - but its worth trying case ye played a few keys today with dtb after shifting from outlaw and there is alot build up time

Before hitting Numbers

[marble hemlock]

er rupture lasts as long as IC has cooldown

[subtle tundra]

not really but i get your point

[marble hemlock]

its a 45sec cd, its always up

[subtle tundra]

its 32 sec rupture

[outer cairn]

kb+ic is nice. you'll enjoy it. low keys, stuff just falls over so the cd timing isn't the greatest to line up with pulls

[marble hemlock]

scent carries a lot of the damage on that build outside of cds

yeah i guess its 2/3rds

w/e

mobs are either dead by then, or you just manually refresh bleeds before already anyway

and, again

the issue is that were rogues

when we say

"lets play a build that has better st"

were not talking 15-20k st more

were talking 3-5k

[subtle tundra]

st with tea feels a bit better

but i havent played it a lot

[steady prairie]

ok...with a bit of practice i think i can get my sin to be higher than my outlaw single target set up. With added benefit of not needing to do a line of coke before every pull

[blissful crown]

But would you still prefer kb ic on +15 keys? Over dtb

[outer cairn]

yes

sel laid out some good points why its just inherently better

[blissful crown]

I see - if i look at faq the ic kb opener is with exan but in the talent build for it exan is not skilled

[outer cairn]

probably be adjusted later.

[blissful crown]

So you go with or without exan? 🙈

[outer cairn]

you can go w/out.

[marble hemlock]

i honestly think

st is fine cuz zoldyk carries

its just that unless youre doing highend keys atm

youre not gonna get a second set of CDs

and cd timings are still super off

i still dont like ER

[thin inlet]

seli where is stream?

[marble hemlock]

i wanna play dance for more silences 😦

[marble hemlock]

after RWF is over

[thin inlet]

wtf...

im trying to learn assa and best assa doesnt stream

its so over

[dark token]

Er sucks

Especially rng version coming soon

[marble hemlock]

i just feel er is useless

on most trash pulls

[strange python]

How is that a benefit tho

[subtle tundra]

no, dont play er and just go for nightstalker

[dark token]

NS snapshot gsrrote!!

[steady prairie]

coke is fucking expensive yo

[oblique jackal]

Looks like sin is gonna be worthlesss, eh?

[dusty zenith]

why would it be worthless?

[steady prairie]

no

[subtle tundra]

yes its so bad

[sand elm]

doomer alert

[subtle tundra]

go to #outlaw and #subtlety

[strange python]

That's why you just snort speed before playing outlaw

[dusty zenith]

I just snort my kids adderal

[oblique jackal]

i wanna keep the sin dream alive

i just keep seeing haters

[outer cairn]

then play it.

[royal lantern]

haters about what lol

all 3 rogue specs are great rn

[steady prairie]

so lets see....sin was the top single target spec by a country mile, now there are some minor nerfs

[royal lantern]

tbf, sub was higher

😉

[steady prairie]

sins dead every1, pack up and go home

[royal lantern]

assa was ONLY #2 by a wide margin

[steady prairie]

yes but sub you have to play the degen 1 charge build

[sand elm]

lliterally unplayable

[dusty zenith]

as long as I still out dps warriors and hear them cry its all good

[blissful crown]

+1 and assa is Fyn

Fun

Ans wow is about having fun

[brazen zodiac]

completely unplayable

[sand elm]

any1 else noticed the tooltip for the buff of improved garrote is only 25% and not 50 like the talent says

[subtle tundra]

this?

[marble hemlock]

can we remove nogood offensive from the pool

i love the "focus the totem" call

cast rupture - IMMUNE
cast garrote - IMMUNE

poison proc? IMMUNE

[latent crown]

everytime i press rupture on totem i do 5 pushups

[viscid spear]

I like how a totem can Enrage

[outer cairn]

just shiv it

is kinda hilarious it enrages. like oh no

[distant mesa]

Poison bomb works on it....

[sand elm]

weird mine just said 25% and is back to 50. must just be tooltip fuckery

[subtle tundra]

eh you dont need to focus the totem anymore, does no dmg

as long as you interrrupt you cant die

[thorny rampart]

is it fair to assume around 40% less damage from sims on dummy? (because of all the raid buffs/consumables/execute)

or im bad 😄

[gleaming geyser]

40% no shot

[latent crown]

i mean you can turn off the raidbuffs and such and try again

[trim zinc]

Just sim on a target dummy

And see

[deft vault]

You can sim your dps on dummy

[thorny rampart]

oh really

yeah that should help ty

[deft vault]

Yeah change patchwerk to target dummy

[trim zinc]

Raid buffs make a huge diff

[thorny rampart]

yeah i got 33% dps difference

[supple snow]

quick question guys, right now what should we use for embellishment now ? still Wrappings?

[thorny rampart]

ty guys, it seems like im hitting my buttons just fine

[grizzled moon]

is there a nice opener sequence somewhere for a ST Assa build?

[weak horizon]

I've seen the sims so I know sin is weaker than sub in m+, but has anyone tried both in m+ yet? How much stronger did you feel it was?

[slim sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[limpid ermine]

Personally haven't played sub this expac yet but I really enjoy being able to iron wire an entire pack with IC at the beginning of pulls

[limber lion]

I've tried both and Sub is much better than Assassination. Assa has more control with IC/Iron Wire but the damage is just so much worse unfortunately

[rancid junco]

Played sin from the start switched to sub on Thursday haven’t looked back it is a ton of fun and you still have respectable st for bosses

[mild canyon]

So guys, with the DTB M+ spec, while having Crimson Tempest debuff up on all mobs, do you dump combo points in Crimson Tempest or in Eviscerate for Poison Bomb procs?

[limber lion]

Sub is also a very fun spec to play in M+, much more so than Assa personally

[limpid ermine]

and my dps has been extremely comparable to the other dps personally

[limber lion]

and that's coming from a Assa onetrick of 6 years

[limber lion]

You maintain CT and then fish for PB procs basically

[mild canyon]

That's what I thought

[craggy glen]

Do you use rupture on those pulls?

[limber lion]

Yes, you maintain Garrotes/Ruptures for energy saturation

[craggy glen]

On how many targets?

[mild canyon]

I rupture unless theyre small health pool mobs

[limber lion]

It's 5 bleeds in total, so let's say 3 garrotes and 2 ruptures

Maintain those so you get more energy than you use and you're chilling

[craggy glen]

Ok, thanks guys

[limber lion]

It's a bit different when you're playing all garrote talents, bloody mess and Scent of Blood

but that's it for DTB

[mild canyon]

Thistle Tea feels weird with the DTB build, as you've mentioned if you maintain bleeds you're always good on energy

I just press it for the mastery buff and so I dont overcap charges

[weak horizon]

Thanks for the info on sub vs sin

[limber lion]

Yeah I basically just make sure I don't overcap on tea and then splurge all 3 charges on boss fights/big single mobs

[weak horizon]

Probably going to have to give sub a shot then. I played it s1 SL and enjoyed it, but sin is definitely my favorite unfortunately.

[limber lion]

The new DF Sub is really fun.

[mild canyon]

Boss fights are really fun with the DTB build

[limber lion]

Have to disagree there with ya. Never been more bored in my life.

[weak horizon]

It just feels wrong to leave so much power on the table. Also I feel like I have to work so much harder than my ww monk friend to do a fraction of his damage.

[limber lion]

DTB kills all skill expression from Assassination

You send everything on CD and that's it, no thought process included whatsoever

Kingsbane/Exsang actually make the rotation tricky and something you have to think about and play around to play optimally

But even when played optimally, it loses to boring ass DTB which anyone and their mothers can play to a 90% perfection

[mild canyon]

Which is why I like it

[limber lion]

But then again, that could just be me. People like different things.

[grim tangle]

I like easy specs because I am bad

[mild canyon]

[hardy dagger]

Maybe i was alone with this opinion but I loved the kb exang with it being 45sec

[limber lion]

Me too buddy, me too.

Or well, not really. I love the idea of Kingsbane + Exsanguinate, but not necessarily the 45s part. I think Exsang being 45s makes the rotation very weird and tricky for no reason

Something like 1 minute or 2 minutes would make much more sense, but would probs be too strong for what Blizzard's going for.

Too bad we never really got to play Kingsbane + Exsang because it was nerfed before we got to play the raid and now DTB dominates in every content

[distant mesa]

Then there is this... Because of 1 damn trinket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wkb1BgaUH7M5DFYbuKeknY

[limber lion]

What are we looking here?

[hardy dagger]

Yeah I guess 2min would be sick

[distant mesa]

DTB didn't sim better because of the puzzle box

[hardy dagger]

Dunno man i think kb Can have potential

Like raz for bigger execute

And kb into shields

[distant mesa]

Feels fucking clunky as hell but it pumps

[hardy dagger]

But then again im just feelycrafting

[mild canyon]

Puzzle Box is such an obnoxious trinket imo

[jaunty nest]

what poison should i be running with dragon tempest?

[mild canyon]

Having a cast bar on a melee class just feels dumb

[trim zinc]

amp deadly

[limber lion]

amp deadly atro crip

[limber lion]

except the execute is not even much bigger.

Could be cool if it was actually a big difference, but it's really not.

[jaunty nest]

ohh ok ty ty

whats wound for?

and instant

[limber lion]

Wound is for PvP, instant is for Outlaw/Sub

[limber lion]

Puzzle Box is really good. But yeah, once you get a bit more gear and tier, KB will drop. It was simming slightly higher for me for a long time as well, but DTB has taken over.

By the way, you might wanna give that turtle shell a go

It's a +80 dps for ya.

[distant mesa]

I may have to item restore it...

[limber lion]

well you'd replace it sooner than later anyways

80 dps is whatevers

[distant mesa]

That sounds like margin of error play

[timber fable]

for the Crafted/Embellished Items should i put my crafted dagger in my offhand for more dps? even tho my main hand would be lower ilvl

[hardy dagger]

If dmg is fine but the last phase on raz is actually a dps check then kb should be the play

[limber lion]

No, always have the higher item level dagger in your main hand

[distant mesa]

Would the turtle shell take me back to DTB? Because the KB build is

[limber lion]

You'll move the crafted dagger to your off hand when you get a second dagger that's of higher ilvl

[limber lion]

No.

[distant mesa]

Sadge

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rM3X863FiWeAcH5ZSk4sxZ

[distant mesa]

Oh the 376 one, that's interesting that it pulls ahead

[barren lintel]

so, we still going for bronze grip?

[static shore]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[obsidian beacon]

What build are the ass rogues in echo running on m raz?

[grim tangle]

probably just dtb with shadowstep and bloody mess instead of zoldyck

since they can't even get past P1 zoldyck does 0 damage

[hollow marlin]

Should be able to check armory

[obsidian beacon]

Yeah but I like taking to you guys

[timber fable]

is sin weakest for mythic+?

[subtle tundra]

out of the rogue specs? probably

but its better than outlaw in some dungeons

[limber lion]

The normal DTB build everyone is running with 2 points in Zoldyck and no second Shadowstep.

[subtle tundra]

they need 2 shadowsteps for raz

[limber lion]

Why

[subtle tundra]

the pushback is pushing them back

[limber lion]

Taking 2 shadowsteps does not reduce the cooldown

It's still 30s

The blowback happens once every 40s

lol.

[trim zinc]

but u use 2 on same pushback

[limber lion]

You cannot get 2 shadowsteps back for every push

[trim zinc]

second one is lock portal i think

[limber lion]

how are they using 2 shadowsteps that takes 60 seconds to recharge on a pushback that happens once every 40s

lol.

they are literally using the same build

https://raider.io/raid-logged-encounters/vault-of-the-incarnates/435051

Here you can see all players and their talents and gear

[grim tangle]

perfecto literally streaming with 2 shadowsteps

[limber lion]

I guess they are using 2 steps, raider.io's lagging behind

Rip

[marble hemlock]

[gleaming geyser]

[limber lion]

But yeah only usable on one of the pushbacks, that's not super useful

You won't have 2 for each pushback

[subtle tundra]

still more useful than 0.2% dps or whatever

[grim tangle]

but that one point of bloody mess is more damage than zoldyck so it's still the better build

[subtle tundra]

esp when they dont need zoldyck

[limpid ermine]

have you been watching the fight?? 🤣

[limber lion]

Must have changed their builds very recently.

[marble hemlock]

shows this

for me

woops

wrong ctrl+v

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVUEBEREaFFYhRQCEANVWkFQUChRSEwQBQ

[limber lion]

Yes I literally explained why it does not matter if you read below

[marble hemlock]

thats the most recent talent build

from kush

[limber lion]

Doesn't show that for me

[marble hemlock]

did you go to

[marble hemlock]

recent pulls

[limber lion]

Did not

[marble hemlock]

ye its bis

[limber lion]

Like I said, probs changed very recently

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JuvFp/dd055c4619.jpg

can check talents and everything for every single pull

[grim tangle]

I do think that if you're going to put one point in bloody mess like that, surely then it's worth to put a second point in instead of something like improved garrote

[limber lion]

Huh? You take Improved Garrote with every build

[grim tangle]

why

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

It's one of the strongest talents we have in the entire tree

You play literally every single build with it.

[grim tangle]

it's strong because it costs one point

if it was out of the way you would not pick it in ST

the only reason bloody mess isn't played in ST is because it's behind shadowstep which is 0 dps

bloody mess as a one pointer would also be played in every single build

[ornate valley]

that double shadowstep is so nice

great utility

[distant mesa]

If it's the same build jpc was running it's DTB

[ornate valley]

and trust me they are not doing wipes because of 0.2% lesser dps

[grim tangle]

switch the positioning of improved garrote and bloody mess in the tree and you're not picking improved garrote in ST with DTB

[copper hazel]

double me bebe

[marble hemlock]

yeah its not like weve seen multiple guilds wipe at sub 1% health counts so far

[ornate valley]

if one persound would live those few seconds longer becasue of utility it would not be wipe 😉

[turbid sandal]

I swear I saw him run KB last night

[limber lion]

They swap builds constantly

Kush was playing KB earlier as well, Perfecto was playing Sub

[marble hemlock]

they try shit out all the time

[limber lion]

They were playing single step earlier, now 2 steps

They change stuff around all the time

[marble hemlock]

whats feels most comfortable, whats fits the damage patterns/profiles they need etc.

theyre also human and make mistakes

[quaint dragon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[distant mesa]

I just watch what they switch up, like last night jpc was also running rage phial

[thorn crater]

is melandrus considered better than filial?

[distant mesa]

Tried that in an m+ key and the damage profile was a big difference

[thorn crater]

like, say u have flaring cowl do u run diurna's filial or diurna's melandrus

[ornate valley]

is there any negative effect if I recast garrote or rupture durning deathmark?

[quartz elbow]

Where can i see the upcoming nerfs? aka what does RC, FC and DTB mean?

[iron hound]

Hey all. Is it possible to macro Vanish, Garrote, and Exsanguinate together? Tq.

[limber lion]

Diurna Melandrus

[limber lion]

You do not want to overwrite a stealth/exsanguinate garrote, so there's that. But if it's a normal garrote (which it should never be), then does not matter.

[grim tangle]

I simmed it to prove that I am in fact always correct, one point of bloody mess is better than improved garrote

[limber lion]

Resounding Clarity, Fatal Concoction, Dragon-Tempered Blades respectively

Wowhead has the nerfs and sims

[distant mesa]

What do you switch to gain 3 talent points?

[thorn crater]

so we keep melandrus no matter what right. and just max its ilvl with valor

[limber lion]

Yep

[oblique gale]

anyone here knows If I will lose sockets/gems of Elemental Lariat when I recraft to 418 later?

[marble hemlock]

that looks to me like a sim that proves 2points bloodymess is better than 1point bloody mess, or am i stupid?

[limber lion]

The default sim has Improved Garrote enabled, so the result above disables Improved Garrote for an extra point in BM

[grim tangle]

the top sim has greyed out improved garrote because it loses it compared to the other one

[marble hemlock]

aight

yeah well

im not sleeping much lately

move along

[limber lion]

Same dude, same.

[dense bramble]

damn i would give an organ to see our poisons strong like it was in MoP

the class and spec i love the most because of that poison concept but assassin has been around bleeding and fuck poison for so long now

[marble hemlock]

[limber lion]

[marble hemlock]

you mean like the spec that specializes in everything poison related

with things like poison bomb, amplifying poison and double poisons?

[halcyon kestrel]

sorry if this has been asked a million times, but what is best enchant for weapon, do i give vers any prio at all?

[dense bramble]

yeah

and yet our biggest damage is garrote and rupture

[marble hemlock]

no?

[dense bramble]

even auto attack is stronger then deadly poison

and it's deadly

imagine if it weren't

[marble hemlock]

imagine if you knew what you were talking about

[dense bramble]

i definetely know garrote and rupture deals more damage then deadly poison

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JuvMQ/7bd661c5d5.png

yep

definitely does more damage

[steel sorrel]

well it depends if you are talking ST or M+ id say. Cant just say the one is better than other over all content.

[marble hemlock]

what

[night delta]

I think he's answering to paincake

[marble hemlock]

oh

who is paincake

[trim zinc]

LMAO

[halcyon kestrel]

i asked a question that was completely ignored cause people are fighting XD

i am completely unrelated to this topic

[limber lion]

Sophic Devotion

[halcyon kestrel]

appreciate it

[steel sorrel]

Again, for what content?

[halcyon kestrel]

mainly raiding

[steel sorrel]

I would go frozen for M+

Yeah, then sophic all the way

[subtle tundra]

just go sophic

everywhere

enchant costs too much

[night delta]

I know double sophic is recommended, but somehow it feels wrong tbh

[limber lion]

Why is that?

[steel sorrel]

Well the stat stacks, so a procc will give you ALOT agi

[halcyon kestrel]

i thought vers would be the way to go

seemed more reliable

[night delta]

we didn't stack enchants in SL

[halcyon kestrel]

but vers seems to be really low prio on assa

[steel sorrel]

Yes, crit/mastery

[halcyon kestrel]

like, wowhead says even haste>vers so

idk

[steel sorrel]

Yeah, faq states haste is slightöy better gain at the start och expac for dps but falls off later

[marble hemlock]

we didnt use to poop in toilets either. now we do.

[steel sorrel]

But better than vers

[night delta]

And I bet when toilets were invented, at first people felt weird about it

[steel sorrel]

hahaha! one could argue that people felt the first toilet ever made was wierd aswell xD

Hahhahahaha

[distant mesa]

Just go agi>crit>mast>vers>haste and send it. Haste is a crutch!

[steel sorrel]

silly conversation

[viscid spear]

What happened to food analogies.

[spice spire]

[night delta]

My monkey brain tells me the enchant wouldn't stack (even though it does), and thus I could lose uptime if it procced "too much" in a short timeframe (even though it can't)

[tardy basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[marble hemlock]

youre welcome

if im involved, odds are things get silly. fast.

[night delta]

Sillyathan

[steel sorrel]

I love it

[obsidian beacon]

why are pepole paying 200+k for elemental lariat? the mats on my server cost like 50k max

am i missing something

[spice spire]

🤨

[grim tangle]

the recipe is rare and usually goes for millions

[limber lion]

You need someone with the recipe and skill to craft it.

[hollow marlin]

They probably bought the recipe for millions

[obsidian beacon]

ooh the recipe is what costs that much.

so i was missing someting

[hollow marlin]

Yeah it's stupid rare

[obsidian beacon]

how do i avoid getting scammazed in trade chat uwu

[polar cape]

The dude on my server is a gigachad not charging anything

[obsidian beacon]

i dont trust strangers

[gilded oasis]

wtf server is that

I'm coming over

[limber lion]

By putting in a personal order with minimum quality enabled, can't get scamazed then

[polar cape]

Thrall US

[spice spire]

Hyjal US also pretty cheap

Mal’ganis not so much

[obsidian beacon]

if i had to choose between elemental lariat and mh dagger to craft, what would y'all choose?

[hollow marlin]

Can any crafter guarantee r5 though? I thought it was a percent change or is that with r3 diamond that it's guarantee?

[spice spire]

But I digress, this isn’t trade chat

[obsidian beacon]

i have enough primal chaos for both but not enough gold sadge

[viscid spear]

Hyjal is the Ohio of top ranking US realms, fr

[sand elm]

are u guys taking elusiveness or cheat death for raids?

[spice spire]

Cheat

I’m an ape

I need it

[sand elm]

lol fair

ive been running cheat death but thinking of giving elusiveness a try. seems more generally useful if ur not being hit by the avoidable stuff

[gilded oasis]

I like elusiveness but generally cheat is always taken

[hollow marlin]

Cheat and don't get hit 🙂

[gilded oasis]

but feint and get hit, ez

[hollow marlin]

[obsidian beacon]

Let me rephrase the question:

Currently 355 ilvl. I have a 372 neck. Weps and armor are between 343 - 356. At this point, is ilvl king and should I spend my primal chaos on a weapon / gear? Should I wait until I open vault tomorrow to decide?

[sand elm]

if ur wanting a craft, weapon is highest prio iirc from what people here have said

[obsidian beacon]

Or should I just craft elemental lariat, even though the ilvl gain is minimal compared to other options

[storm onyx]

The weapon makes the Rogue, also bis OH too;

[limber lion]

Ilvl is king, you should focus your efforts on crafting a dagger regardless.

[obsidian beacon]

Ok, thanks y'all.

[limber lion]

Dagger > Neck

[obsidian beacon]

18 primal chaos short T_T

[sand elm]

how much crit are u guys running baseline without buffs

[spice spire]

4k

I’m a bit loaded tho

[novel hazel]

do you hold your 2nd puzzle box use for DM? or just pair it with exsang every 3 min?

[burnt latch]

i dont liek critscial strikes bcz rng i control my damage ;P

[arctic bobcat]

is there a reason why all of the mplus builds use IC + Kingsbane and not IC+DTB?

[shut owl]

Never enough crit. Never enough

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

I have no clue

and I don't care

and neither should you

[copper hazel]

the answer is obviously 34%

[shut owl]

Probably for zoldyks and more priority damage from kb? DTB kinda expensive to get to

[viscid spear]

Clearly you should aim for 69% in every secondary

[trim zinc]

cuz u cant

[limber lion]

You cannot get both DTB and IC

There's not enough points in the tree

[arctic bobcat]

ahh ok

[sand elm]

well i just want to know where every1 else is at so i know if im understatted or not

[pseudo stratus]

soooo really struggling with echoing reprimand... the guide says not to think about it much, and just use the rotation.. should I not even pay attention to the buff #'s at all?

[burnt latch]

we can in 10.1 tho when they give us the extra talent point

[shut owl]

Oh yeah, KB DTB gonna be wild huh :p

[spice spire]

Warcieft loves his computer

[burnt latch]

[trim zinc]

u should just sim your character and see what does more
and dont use stats weights

[smoky quail]

wait are we actually gonna get another point

[spice spire]

No

[smoky quail]

oh jebaited

almost creamed my khakis

[burnt latch]

how do u know

[distant mesa]

All the channels just went poof and came back for me, what just happened lol

[burnt latch]

we might

[spice spire]

It’s too early for nonsense mister warcieft (it’s 1pm)

[burnt latch]

also fuck this boss and everything he stands for

i thought the heroic version was ba

bad

[thorny pond]

"boogey down" - new dance boss

[burnt latch]

hoooly

this guys on another level of shithousery

the frozen stairs

[thorny pond]

I love ice skating

calm down sir

[limber lion]

You shouldn't really care. There's no such thing as being understatted. Stats in the current game mean very, very little. Just always choose higher item level items when possible.

[shut owl]

Crit feels real good tho

[prisma cypress]

i asked this last night but thought i'd ask again: are there any known bugs with leech? specifically with leech from gear not working

[royal lantern]

no, you are not

[lament apex]

is dragon tempered blades really the talent i should be running for m+?

[royal lantern]

4k is 34% for me

and you know the 34% rule

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

@spice spire do we scale well this xpac?

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

3k crit, 2,2k mastery is me rn

[spice spire]

Evokers are the only scale class so ig not

[royal lantern]

only when you go dracthyr rogue when its avaible

[thorny pond]

WW says they scale

[royal lantern]

more scaling

[prisma cypress]

i was looking at logs from last night and noticed that i leeched exactly 5% (including overheal) even though i have close to 2% on my gear in addition to the 5% from talents

[thorny pond]

what do we scale with?

[prisma cypress]

just wondering what i might be missing

[burnt latch]

im honestly going to end it all

this spider

who designed him

i need to have a chat

[royal lantern]

its female

[craggy nimbus]

That's one slick ui @burnt latch

[viscid spear]

You know what else feels good?
||a nice hug ||

[distant mesa]

387 ilvl

[smoky quail]

man our execute fr gonna be weaker tuesday, no more dick em down 35

[sand elm]

well im looking at how i can improve my damage and if my crit is lower than it should be then the crit discrepancy would explain it somewhat

[burnt latch]

danke sir

[royal lantern]

huh

[smoky quail]

if we take sanguiney, 1 less point for recipe no?

[spice spire]

Stats don’t matter

[distant mesa]

Sure they do

[craggy nimbus]

Did you tinker with someone elses WA or yours completely?

[burnt latch]

its 98% all mine

took some individual stuff from other packs

[limber lion]

No it would not, not at all.

If you need to look at how to improve your damage, you look at your item level, your rotation, your talents

Stuff like stats is the very LAST thing you would look at

When you're already parsing 99's and looking how to get that extra 35 dps

[distant mesa]

Check the % uptime on garrote/rupt

[limber lion]

Stats do not matter at all until you're maxed out in full 420+ gear

until then stats fluctuate all over the place

Everyone puts way too much emphasis on stats, it literally does not matter.

[lament apex]

is this really the dragonblades opener? how the hell do i rupture after slice n dice

[distant mesa]

Try this from faq

[lament apex]

thank you

[distant mesa]

Yw

[prisma cypress]

anyone have the same issue i described with leech or is it just me? lol

i'm curious what i might be missing

[distant mesa]

Idk my 600 leech gives 11% w/leech poison

[cloud nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[obsidian beacon]

its surprising tiny toxic blade isn't taken considering how important shiv is for our dps

[distant mesa]

The ambush proc is a pumper

[obsidian beacon]

yeah apparently

[drowsy parcel]

where do i fit grieftorch in opener

[prisma cypress]

if you look at your logs, are you actually getting 11% leech?

[distant mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/annadorsa# where to check?

Excuse the mess we haven't progged into heroic yet

And I need to work on garrote timing myself lmao

[prisma cypress]

looking at your terros kill, you had 824.3k healing from leech, and 15.68m damage done

[distant mesa]

I picked up the extra leech % yesterday

So whatever that kill had I think it was 8-9%

My helm is what I picked up

[prisma cypress]

by my math, what you actually leeched - including overheal - was 5.25%

[distant mesa]

Just updated the toon

[prisma cypress]

are there abilities that leech doesn't work on? where did all that healing go

[distant mesa]

Idk lmao

[mint kindle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sudden sigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[exotic kindle]

this opener isn't quite right, is it? you'll be at 0 cp before the rupture won't you?

[distant mesa]

Which one you doing? Hit up the #assassination-faq and there is a rotation in there 🙂

[mint kindle]

I think that one is for the kingsbane build

[sand elm]

well thats not entirely true. whispyr was talking to somebody about their logs yesterday and there was a discrepency in dps purely due to envenom crits. theres absolutely an rng element to dps due to crits

[mint kindle]

The guides are very very different right now. It's pretty difficult to get a reliable one

[exotic kindle]

should have been correct if the guide worked as intended though, shouldn't it? but it clearly isn't😅

[distant mesa]

DTB build

[exotic kindle]

oh, that one looked a lot better yeah

[mint kindle]

?

[distant mesa]

I could tell before linked it

[toxic ocean]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[mint kindle]

We know it is, his question is legitimate nonetheless

[distant mesa]

The Kingsbane build does a weird gar-snd-gar-rupt-er-rupt

True

[exotic kindle]

yeah, it was more "what's up with the guide?"

[mint kindle]

Yeah I'm confused too. But I think it should say garrote > snd > garrote > echoing rep > serrated bone spike > rupture

[distant mesa]

Why it's not updated is a legit question

[cedar elm]

is assassin viable for high keys in m+ or should i just stick to outlaw

[limber lion]

...

[distant mesa]

Depends on how much you want to micro manage your dots

[limber lion]

The entire game is built around rng. There's rng in everything. In hits, bosses, teams, gear, encounters - everything

If you think a higher crit rate will mean you crit more often thus doing more damage than everyone else, then go for it.

[daring imp]

Check mplus.subcreation

[cedar elm]

what is that

[burnt latch]

multi dollar company

[mint kindle]

I'd recommend outlaw, way easier

[daring imp]

Lots of info, check it on the assassination rogue section

[cedar elm]

ok thank you

[marble hemlock]

thank god it has top information for the top covenants, soulbinds and conduits for top rogues in top m+

[daring imp]

Right?!?!

[distant mesa]

Lul

Up next bis dragon riding traits

[marble hemlock]

nothing is figured out yet whatsoever

people have barely scratched the surface of how to maximiuze their class gameplay, especially in content like m+, so trying to make a judgment of "what is best" this early is a bit of a futile attempt. unless youre raiding cutting edge or have a genuinely good reason to need to play perfectly in m+ right now, just trying out stuff and seeing what spec and playstyle suits you the best will be much more enjoyable than trying to copy the randomass shit some people (like myself) do in keys rn

[royal lantern]

thats some really REALLY bigbrain take

like duh

[opaque sigil]

so what exactly are you currently doing in keys seli

just my curiosity

[marble hemlock]

pressing W

idk im just playing ic+kb rn

building a knowledge base of what trashmobs do

what casts have prio to be disrupted etc

getting mad at my tank for telling me to not garrote mobs in shadowmoon

(hes right)

[viscid spear]

Maybe Sennarth hates Eranog

[royal lantern]

why

[drifting cloud]

the dominate ones do nothing unless you interrupt them

[subtle tundra]

(he is)

[subtle tundra]

well it buffs the adds it gets casted on

so tank gets more fucked

[royal lantern]

oh

i legit didnt knew that

git gut, interupt better

i wanna IC garrote

[distant mesa]

running keys like this

[noble light]

talking about keys... which build would you recommend?

[distant mesa]

Me? Lmao I play an ass backwards build of kb/ic

Rupt 5+ target with ct and spamming fon envenom primary target with gar in there too obo

But it ripped a 65k overall in a Nokhud 11

[noble light]

it feels weird to not use ic in the recommended builds

isnt it made for m+?

[distant mesa]

And, in my opinion, council in raid

[merry sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KNRbA69dZYG1pv7f/#fight=6&type=damage-done Is there anyone who would be willing to look through this and see if there are any obvious rotational errors I am making?

[cedar elm]

in the rotation it says to keep garrote on all targets but how do i do that without ic , isnt the cd too long

[distant mesa]

Your rupt/garrote uptime looks fine check to see if you are burning combo points or holding to much energy

[rich scaffold]

Will we go Shadowdance instead of ER next Patch?

[merry sentinel]

Thank you

[marble hemlock]

basically

theres these dominator mobs

that are just standing there casting some dumbass spell on some adds

if you interrupt that, they start doing nasty shit

[distant mesa]

My phone can't pull open that graph or I'd show you, and yw

[marble hemlock]

i.e. a mindcontrol cast on a player

it just adds extra interrupt pressure on the grp

when you can just not stun/inteerrupt them at all

and theyre literally just afk

[acoustic breach]

B

[subtle tundra]

sd is beyond bad for us

[earnest imp]

how much dmg % is windfury roughly?

in a raid

[ruby lotus]

~5%

[spice spire]

Cadoo Log Review

[abstract junco]

Quick question: does Thundering keep us in combat?

[limber lion]

It does not

[distant mesa]

If you're flying in nok hud you also don't get stunned

[gentle gyro]

i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex

[marble hemlock]

you do

but thundering has a 100y range

so if youre 100y away from someone else thundering wont do anything, and with dragonflying thats pretty common to be the case

you cannot get quaking on a dragonriding mount though

so you always wanna use a dragonriding mount

[sand elm]

is there any time we should delay reapplying rupture if ER is off CD in the next 5 or less seconds? or just keep it rolling all the time

[marble hemlock]

even when running around on the ground

[unborn vapor]

do you hold second use of puzzlebox for deathmark at 4 min?

[gleaming geyser]

only if you cant get a 3rd DM + box at 6m

[weak horizon]

@balmy condor Is there a reason you don't hid the duped dots on DM with your plater profile?

[oblique tangle]

Jesus I am currently running Rasz with a Rogue and this is his talent tree can we flame him for this or

[spice spire]

If you’re not going to miss a cast, yes

[jolly quiver]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

No button enjoyer

[blissful crown]

Is anybody using shiv+tea macro for the opener?

[copper hazel]

russian for sure

[subtle tundra]

No cause you dont always tea in shiv

[blissful crown]

True that

[dark token]

Taking improve ambush with no blindside

Omh my head

[oblique tangle]

10 more iilvl than me, 10k less dps????

!?!?!?!?!?

[copper hazel]

adds up

[timber meadow]

any important reason not to just macro horn of valor to deathmark?

[muted summit]

I just got the Puzzle Box, where does it slide into my opener?

Playing DTB.

[blissful crown]

I use it prepull dno if its correct

[royal lantern]

be happy, could be same ilvl and 20k less dps

[oblique tangle]

If I lose a tier piece to this clown

I am going to actually riot.

I am the least geared rogue in this raid out of 3 and I am pulling 4th dps overall and I can't fathom how they're fucking it up

The other one literally had full 390+ gear with sockets and everything is he just afk??

[royal lantern]

99%of wow players are really really really bad

[oblique tangle]

Our tankr efuses to interrupt his orb so I have to blind it for him

[tame slate]

If they are above 0 damage, the bar can still get lower

[oblique tangle]

Then on second orb we just die because...

[tame slate]

Out of my pugs so far on Raz I have been the highest damage Rogue at only 375 ilvl and I would consider myself decent but not like a legend or something

[oblique tangle]

^

Literally same

Always top 3

begging people to perform simple mechanics

Still watching peopel get blown off after 8 attempts

And you just have to wonder

Like

Who raised you

How did you graduate school

[gentle gyro]

if you ever wonder who the LFR target audience is

wonder no more

[oblique tangle]

Like, OK. If you don't know the first time and went in blind

I get it

But we are literally telling you the mechanics and what to do

[tame slate]

I can't wait to see LFR for this raid

[oblique tangle]

And you are still a nonfunctional raid member

[gentle gyro]

I'm pulling like double the damage of the two other sin rogues in my pug, and fuck me am I pressing buttons in a random order

i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex i will not press DM before Ex

[oblique tangle]

Wh

What.

[gentle gyro]

[oblique tangle]

And that one's me. I'm worried Fayken isn't even playing the game

[gentle gyro]

from my last pull

how does one not have garrote

at #1

[oblique tangle]

I got lucky with my blue CP, personally

[gentle gyro]

i need to get better at managing those

with SBS

[oblique tangle]

Like I smacked Shiv and then got all 4 of my blue CP perfectoly so I was in the money on Envenom damage

[limber lion]

Recount?

In 2022?

[oblique tangle]

I took a 4 year break and didn't want to look for a different one that I had to re-learn :c

I know it's not the most accurate but it's good enough for me to use it to flame people who have 20 more ilvl than me and aren't playing the game

[gentle gyro]

details is just so much better in every way

but ofc only if you are actually gonna use it

no need to gatekeep dps meters

[limber lion]

No worries, Details is just the norm nowadays that everyone uses. Pretty much the same thing as recount, except more accurate, usually looks better and has more customization

But if you don't care about that stuff, it doesn't really matter.

Keep on rocking it

[gentle gyro]

⬆️

[oblique tangle]

Ope after 3 peopel failing to interrupt their orbs

We proceeded to have a talk about it

and the same 3 people failed to interrupt their orbs

Insane.

[wicked quartz]

does lethality work on garrote? I would assume so but blizzard likes to make things random

[blissful crown]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Just go tauren

We cycle warstomps

[oblique tangle]

lol

[balmy condor]

I dp

[gentle gyro]

i feel you.png

and I, for the record, have no real idea what im doing xD

[bleak crag]

Hi, wow analyzer isn't up for rogues and since the start of the expansion I can't get myself to parse well in most fights. If I post a log is there anyone that could help me out on what I'm doing wrong :c

[pearl fulcrum]

What rogue spec do people think will benefit the most from tier bonuses?

[balmy condor]

[bleak crag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2nKq936Vbxy8DWHf#fight=1&type=damage-done

[tardy basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[obtuse latch]

They have sims, its sin for 4piece

[stuck knoll]

not the place

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor Do you rmember the other day when i was practicing the opener with KB and i wasn't getting 20 seconds left of my rup in the openers, it was because i'm not level 70 and i don't have the talents.

resounding

clarity

[sand elm]

any1 able to explain to me, how a log with higher total damage and higher dps is 20 lower on percentile?

[stuck knoll]

logs lock in after a certain amount of time

the lower damage log would be lower if it happened today

[sand elm]

they happened within 10 minutes of each other

[balmy condor]

[stuck knoll]

Link then

[sand elm]

The wipe with the higher percentile:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AhRc8TC4Gn3L2YPN/#fight=23&type=damage-done

The clear with lower:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AhRc8TC4Gn3L2YPN/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

Practicing openers without being 70

[stuck knoll]

Wipe parses

[balmy condor]

Is some peak cringe

[stuck knoll]

are not parses

don't look at wipe parses they're meaningless

[marsh fjord]

man don't you even compliment me for trying to improve my gameplay seeeeeeeeeeesh

[sand elm]

doesnt answer my question but ok

[balmy condor]

Practicing wrong ain’t practice

[marsh fjord]

in my defense i didn't knew about the talent 😄

[stuck knoll]

it literally does that top one isn't an actual parse you're comparing apples to oranges

you might as well ask why a fury warrior doing the same damage as you got a different parse

[sand elm]

if clears are only compared to other clears then that was the information i was looking for

just saying "its pointless u dont need to know but not going to explain why" doesnt help me

[drifting cloud]

wipe parses follow some weird own logic

[sand elm]

right, thank you

[stuck knoll]

I started the sentence

saying wipe parses aren't parses

???

[weak horizon]

Maybe I've got something misconfigured, but i just imported your profile and this is what I see with casting DM

[stuck knoll]

and then advised you not to look at them after

[balmy condor]

yeah the duped bleeds and doomblade should be gone

Idk why its not hiding for you

[frosty cedar]

how do I fix one shadowstep bug 😦

[balmy condor]

Can you check the filter list for me?

[balmy condor]

Relog I think

[weak horizon]

looks right to me which is kinda puzzling:

poisons are showing too even though they're filtered (not in original screenshot as I had let them fall off by then)

[balmy condor]

Swap the tracking to manual

[primal terrace]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[weak horizon]

manual gets rid of all buff tracking. going ot try to debug what's going on with my plater setup.

[unborn barn]

Does anyone else have the following problem : you're specced into Shadowstep, but you only get 1 charge of the ability 😦

[misty holly]

Are you speced into it twice?

Have to get it in general tree and sin tree both.

[unborn barn]

Oh, this is awkward

[dense cedar]

[unborn barn]

Thanks ghost, you got it

[timber meadow]

are there any assa nerfs that are pending but not implemented yet?

[tame slate]

I believe there is another round next reset