#assassination

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next edge
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I have white cp too

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Supremacist cunt

grim jay
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@balmy condor ngl your details and the target castbar overlapping triggers me a bit

balmy condor
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My details is bottom right

grim jay
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ye I just opened a replay to doublecheck

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and it still triggers me

balmy condor
grim jay
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😄

balmy condor
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Target cast bar?

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There shouldn’t be a target cast bar down there

potent rune
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I was looking at the bis trinket list on wowhead and it does not show the alchemy trinkets. Are they any good for rogues (any spec) and where do they rank amongst the other trinkets?

grim jay
balmy condor
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Oh

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That shit

flint tusk
balmy condor
potent rune
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@balmy condor so in other words not worth making?

grim jay
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why is your target even down there, I have it in a line with my own

balmy condor
balmy condor
potent rune
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@balmy condor ty , you are out here doing gods work

balmy condor
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I dont Look at that frame ever

grim jay
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well same, but yknow

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autism

balmy condor
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Makes sense

grim jay
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its like at work everything on my desk has its place and it somehow makes sense to have it there even if I dont use it

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dont tell me I'm alone on that

balmy condor
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Sure

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Relatable content definitely

grim jay
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on a different note, is your sub wa as good as your sin one?

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😄

balmy condor
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Its just afenar

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So

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I assume so?

grim jay
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wait really? I thought afenar looked different

balmy condor
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Nah I’ve been using afenar all expac

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The plater is mine

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WA’s arent

grim jay
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yeah I already got your plater profile since it was similar to mine but I didnt want to do the debuff filtering

zenith meteor
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Is somewhere list of crafters for daggers? Cant find anything...

lethal heart
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when i sim in raidbots with nightly version is it post nerf state dps it displays?

limber lion
lethal heart
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👍

thorn crater
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whats ur ilvl cev

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how much have u farmed them ms

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also,

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horn is good i assume as atrinket yes

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id love to replace puzzle box XD

marsh fjord
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I must say, assasination opener is quite hard to do

subtle tundra
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Huh

marsh fjord
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(i'm new)

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to sin

subtle tundra
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What build

marsh fjord
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the KB

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i don't have it in my system yet

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i'm just hitting a dummy

subtle tundra
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You don't think about it, it's the same every time

marsh fjord
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hahahaha

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lol

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I'm playing sin since this morning for the first time btw

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I just have the picture on my side monitor and practice

subtle tundra
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I mean yea but openers can't be hard it's literally press the buttons in this order

marsh fjord
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hey but if you don't think about it's the same OMEGAKEKW

hazy whale
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Hey all, could anyone assist me with the algethar puzzle box? Just mainly tryign to figure out when in my opener to use it, and what i thought was maybe after using deathmark before i enter kingsbane/shiv window? 🙂

vestal wren
lethal heart
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in advanced at the end?

balmy condor
marsh fjord
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@balmy condor When i was here in the opener i have 3 seconds left on my rupture after pressing deathmark. is that correct?

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hazy whale
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ok so right before i do an echoing rupture, use it? souinds like the best time

marsh fjord
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or am i slow then?

balmy condor
marsh fjord
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hmm let's try again

balmy condor
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Rup er rup should get you a 40 sec rupture, exsang to 20

marsh fjord
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I will try again

balmy condor
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So if youre anywhere under 15 seconds on rupture when you hit Deathmark

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Youre fucked

balmy condor
weak kraken
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I view the opener as two phases.

Bleed and mark
Kingsbane.

Focus on the first part which is getting big duration bleeds, and having slice and dice up.

Once you have that down, practice the kingsbane setup. You'll be doing that every minute outside the opener anyway.

marsh fjord
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Yeah i'm not to worries about KB yet

weak kraken
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So yeah, get the rhythm down.

Garrote, slice.
Garrote, rupture
Sec, rupture
Vanish, garrote, mark.

Take it step by step.

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Spend, finish
Spend, finish
Spend, finish.

Don't stress, you'll get it soon enough.

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Ahh, generate. Not spend.

strange python
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How do we usually deal with AoE in M+? Switching over from Outlaw as I'm absolutely terrible at it single target and not entirely sure about the best way to AoE as an Ass.

FoK/Tempest spam?

subtle tundra
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Are you ic kb?

strange python
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Neither

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Must be my age but I'm trying to limit the amount of extra buttons to press 🤣

subtle tundra
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So dtb?

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Ic kb might seem like a lot of buttons but it ain't that overloadinh

strange python
balmy condor
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I mean

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All of the above?

upbeat rover
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Which opener ate we following with dtb for single target? One listed on Wowhead is different than disc and seems to do better on average for me?

strange python
balmy condor
# upbeat rover

The first is like 0.6% better but doesnt sync, wowhead is more general and does sync

subtle tundra
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Also if you play ic kb you will find your st not as high as you'd think

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It's lower than outlaws

balmy condor
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Theres no difference between the two except the vanish garrote

thorn crater
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oh u wait after DM on this one for the extra CP to envenom huh

sand sundial
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
thorn crater
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no its written weirdly nvm

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but

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what if u do vanish DM garrote instead of vanish garrote DM?

thorny pond
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For ST?

thorn crater
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yes

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if u have shrouded

thorny pond
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In the opener you vanish in DM

thorn crater
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and u use a vanished gar u get 5 CP during DM isntead of 3

thorny pond
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To extend the duration or your pandemic garrote

thorn crater
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i know that 😛

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thast not what im saying

thorny pond
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If you have shrouded for ST? Like in a dungeon?
3 GCDs to garrote, probably either garrote finish garrote or garrote garrote finish. Why put DM in that window?

quaint dragon
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!whyspir

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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
scenic kelp
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Someone have a list what the best pi targets are at the Moment?

thorny aurora
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Hey gonna do my first raid in a long time tonight and first as a rogue, wanna try to play sin on ST bosses like eranog, terros, sennarth
Would you recommend playing kingsbane or the dtb build ?

slim estuary
teal bloom
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DTB is easier and does similar damage so I'd recommend it

scenic kelp
slim estuary
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Wow 😂

celest helm
strange python
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puzzle trinket sims higher 👀 when do you evne use this shit if u run exsang

celest helm
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My raid team genuinely is prio on assass rogue PI

celest helm
wide flame
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This has a pi sim gain for all specs tab

fallen charm
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dude undead is literally unplayable as assassination rn RHangry

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let's vanish to reset, nop here's your undead passive proc, let's break that stealth

scenic kelp
wide flame
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Had to fish it up when I was playing uh and lead was sending on lock cause there’s no way externals are good on melee amirite

eternal vortex
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how assa supposed to do next to a WW monk in m+, i know its a bit dumb question its just hurts my soul seeing how shit i did in m+

fallen charm
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oh fk there's a dude complaining about the undead racial 8 months ago an it is still not fixed, welp time to race change

frozen iris
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Race change to Tauren you know you want too

slim estuary
fallen charm
eternal vortex
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he did 11m more dmg than me ICANT

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well i also did 12m more dmg than the random frost mage in the party

fallen charm
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look at this shit

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I'm about to make an angry Karen reddit post

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a proc that does almost no damage that is just there to break stealth AngToxic

half light
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I have a question regarding the DTB build for raid, but first, if it is explained how to make it work in a guide let me know before asking

fallen charm
half light
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Thanks! How much weight does the opener have in DTB? I was just doing SnD a bit later it seems, of course a dps loss since it was after Deathmark, but not sure if that's enough to make ~3k difference (and sometimes more) with KB build after the fight ends

teal bloom
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Snd is the first thing you should use your combo points on as you only have to use combo points for it once and just maintain with envenoms

limber lion
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Probably not a 3k dps difference, but it's still pretty big.

half light
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Thanks! Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what is it that I'm doing wrong with the DTB build then. It feels much easier for sure, but somehow I'm doing more dmg with KB, are there some specific gotchas for DTB? Like shiv usage, SBS usage, etc? Since I don't have KB, I try to use Shiv a bit like before with dumping as many Envenoms as I can there and without having to refresh Rupture/Garrote, so probably I miss 1-2 overall. For SBS, I do it on opener then when I'm close to capping to avoid capping. And on adds when they appear

teal bloom
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I would recommend not focusing too much on hitting as many envenoms during shiv as possible if it causes you to overcap sometimes. non optimal shiv is better than not pressing shiv at all. Sometimes you need to refresh bleeds during shiv

normal mist
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Question about lariat and the gems. What gems im i supposed to put there? literaly no idea

eternal vortex
half light
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Yes

balmy condor
normal mist
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I was wondering what gems since there are some gems i hadnt seen before, like:

half light
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could it be my ilvl, too? I'm 365 rn, but was 364 when raiding, one 374 weapon and one 354, IIRC

normal mist
oblique jackal
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So, fire buff is better than the wind buff for the turtle blessings

normal mist
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is that a question or ?

flint ridge
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
night smelt
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

limpid phoenix
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
modern dust
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Kingsbane vs Tempered for raiding?

celest helm
prisma monolithBOT
modern dust
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ty

burnt wren
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anyone here who can give me a name for an EU crafter to make a 405 dagger?

modest crest
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Has anybody actually switched to Tauren for the racial?

vestal wren
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yes

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we had many switch to tauren, i know from our #subtlety regulars

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tauren is also rly nice on progression with the extra HP

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so overall quite a nice choice

rapid prism
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does tauren have the larget hitbox/melee range still?

static glacier
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Tauren looks lame, will never switch

vestal wren
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you already are half way there

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looking at your nickname

frozen iris
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Fucking lol

frozen iris
vestal wren
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🙈

brazen nimbus
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simming higher as sub, i guess its sub xd

normal mist
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@balmy condor Yo bro, question about the gems to lariat neckless, you told me stat+crit and the rest crit+mast. The fact the gems are earth, is making the neck give me mastery procs, thats okay right?

balmy condor
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yep that's the point

normal mist
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oh okay i thought we were going all in on crit stuff

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thanks whispyr

balmy condor
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crit mast

normal mist
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^ this right?

brazen nimbus
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Should assa sim less than sub? got like 8 higher avg ilvl and i sim same as before as assa but sub sims way more

balmy condor
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yep

balmy condor
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can happen I guess if you have a fuckton of vers

brazen nimbus
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61k sub 60k assa, feels really wierd

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got 400 vers

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4,3k crit
1.3k haste
2.7 mast
400 vers

vestal wren
vestal stratus
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anyone got a good weakaura for tracking garotte and rupture timings

steel sorrel
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
brazen nimbus
vestal wren
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i have good or bad news for you

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depending on how you look at it

brazen nimbus
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Shoot

broken ibex
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
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subtlety might sims a bit higher than in the nightly

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because there is a apl change waiting that gives it another few .X%

sand elm
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sims rigged for sub

broken ibex
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
vestal wren
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looks like could be 90k for sub, 87-88k for sin

brazen nimbus
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Oh, What changed?

limber lion
vestal wren
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they nerfed it

limber lion
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From 99k to 87k

brazen nimbus
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the 3% nerf?

limber lion
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stop nerfing our boy

limber lion
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All 3 targeted at Assa rogue

vestal wren
limber lion
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Others got flat 3%

vestal wren
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basically the er nerf is a direct nerf to assassination

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and the tier set nerf on top

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seems a bit overshooting

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(not even sure if the rogue nerf to all specs is justified given that mythic probably does not allow us to have the same uptime on fights)

brazen nimbus
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Alright alright, So thinking i should stick to sub then

royal lantern
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like, yeha, all 3 specs are overperforming rn, but why did assa only get specific changes aswell...?

balmy condor
twilit lagoon
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Looking at the "end result" image in the outlaw thread, it seems like an odd balance nerf since Sub is now where sin was pre-nerf?

vestal wren
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oh sry

rain oyster
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are we sub gamers yet? shit slaps in m+ too

balmy condor
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I get the aura nerf on it's own

royal lantern
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yeha dunno, sub was "the highest" and "only the 2nd highest" got more stuff nerfed

but eh, probably that they do additonal changes in the next few weeks peeposhrug

balmy condor
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I get the fatal conc/er nerf on it's own

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they're overperforming talents

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but both together

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makes no sense

vestal wren
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the nerf to fatal

twilit lagoon
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It feels like that's been blizzard's way, though. I haven't seen any small incremental nerfs. It's always a big bang with a "my bad" buff after.

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But, I haven't seen the data they're basing this off of. I just get to see the result in the patch notes.

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I'd like think behind closed doors they tested each one before doing both.

subtle tundra
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i just dont appreciate our m+ st dps going lower and lower

twilit lagoon
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Are the numbers posted Patchwerk numbers? How does the nerf affect M+ overall?

subtle tundra
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we already have to invest into aoe so much we lose a lot

balmy condor
twilit lagoon
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That makes sense

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I run ER as outlaw so I feel that one too.

trim dirge
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so will pressing er at 0cp no longer guarantee you land on an animacharge

meager granite
trim dirge
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huh

raven vapor
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@balmy condor no issues so far with the plater profile, 6 or so m+ runs 👍

balmy condor
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nice nice

balmy condor
raven vapor
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also seems to have fixed the errors I was getting when changing talents after updating from the SL profile

pure spoke
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When do you box with sin? Before or after you hit deathmark?

trim dirge
balmy condor
strange python
verbal estuary
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When should i shiv after the opener? Should it be paired with with any specific ability or just shiv to not overcap?

twilit lagoon
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Are there are super rares or WQs that can drop daggers? I've been using 343 crafted for a while now and haven't had any luck from the mythics I'm running (Outlaw with sin loot spec)

strange python
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Pyrhus and blisterhide

dawn kelp
strange python
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But I've killed em daily and they never drop

raven vapor
verbal estuary
twilit lagoon
strange python
paper pawn
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do i get bronze wrapppings?

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or is it still bugged?

verbal estuary
strange python
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Then on cd

raven vapor
paper pawn
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I did

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looking for your opinion

raven vapor
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you asked if it was still bugged, the pin explains it. Opinion wise i'm finding it performing worse than fang

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after swapping

paper pawn
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hm okay, thank you

solar tangle
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which phial do we use as assassin?

sudden sigil
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For Raz fgight, do you guys recomend KB or tempered?

bronze pike
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Exsang back!

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Poggers guys

dark token
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exang not back

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poggers

mental flower
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I'm confused as to why another garrote is best when theres 4+ targets

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dark token
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finally can stop using puzzle box

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strange python
spark scaffold
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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Hard to believe two builds that close in overall DPS isn't drastically favored towards the spec with the execute damage

slim hamlet
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if thats what you mean

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Otherwise it is for more energy and dmg in 4+ targets?

mental flower
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Thanks for the reply and sorry for a dumb question: Are the garrotes on different targets?

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Since its a mythic + rotation

austere radish
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Hi Guys, im starting Sin new
On how many targets do I keep up rupture in M+?

acoustic sky
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
final shadow
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!sim

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Is there a command to sim phials?

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!sims

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
flint ridge
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we go dtb on rasz?

limber lion
heavy coral
outer cairn
mental flower
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on the same target?

balmy condor
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4 garrotes

outer cairn
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No.

balmy condor
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1 for each target

mental flower
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thank you both, much appreciated

dark latch
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
# final shadow Is there a command to sim phials?

you can put that below your /simc in advanced sim

copy="Phial: Corrupting Rage rank 3"
flask=iced_phial_of_corrupting_rage_3
copy="Phial: Charged Isolation rank 3"
flask=phial_of_charged_isolation_3
copy="Phial: Glacial Fury rank 3"
flask=phial_of_glacial_fury_3
copy="Phial: Static Empowerment rank 3"
flask=phial_of_static_empowerment_3
copy="Phial: Elemental Chaos rank 3"
flask=phial_of_elemental_chaos_3
copy="Phial: Tepid Versatility"
flask=phial_of_tepid_versatility_3```
final shadow
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ty

craggy notch
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Do you finisher at max or max -1 combopoint?

balmy condor
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max-1

fading wigeon
weak horizon
dense cedar
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from math

balmy condor
dense cedar
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4 options

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3 anima

balmy condor
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(very difficult logic)

dense cedar
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big math

balmy condor
manic haven
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Probably a very stupid question but just trying to understand the tooltip - DM replicates the current duration of your garrote and rupture, or full duration?

weak horizon
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Right, but in my mind it's possible they guarantee 234 charged as opposed to 3 random ones between 2-5, right?

dense cedar
balmy condor
dense cedar
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but only while DM bleed is active

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when DM runs out

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the duplicates fade

manic haven
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So as lonmg as duration is longer than DM, nothing to worry about?

dense cedar
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ye

manic haven
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Sweet

weak horizon
dense cedar
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i'd like it to work like that

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but they didn't say that at all

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and basically said the opposite

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well

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Realz said the opposite

weak horizon
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Right, in my mind they kept it ambiguous

balmy condor
neon kindle
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Paying my respects to sin rogues after balance pass

weak horizon
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Gotcha, thanks

dense cedar
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Realz basically said it was to make you react to it

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instead of it being a static button

balmy condor
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Yeah

weak horizon
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I missed that comment, thanks for the info

frozen jasper
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Well i liked it being a static Button

dense cedar
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same

balmy condor
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If it just guaranteed 2-3-4 I would be about 47x happier

weak horizon
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Agreed

dense cedar
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i'd be pretty okay with a power change

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but rng fuckery ain't fun

weak horizon
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Kinda feels unnecessary

dense cedar
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at least our spec doesn't have Shadow Techniques I guess

balmy condor
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Its also just a straight sin nerf

dense cedar
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yeah

balmy condor
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For little reason

neon kindle
dense cedar
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Sin is the only spec that gains an extra CP from ER

balmy condor
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Its a shit gameplay nerf that just targets one spec

dense cedar
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for Outlaw and Sub ER is just their Cp cap

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so for them it just saves gcds and builders

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for Sin its a direct power gain on finishers

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especially with Exsang

onyx wind
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this guy gets it

flat jasper
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Do you guys go aoe or st for broodkeeper diurna? icy veins recommends aoe, but I wonder if its worth for us going st?

dense cedar
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The change just makes Sin slightly more clunky

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which imo is worse than the power nerf aspect of it

balmy condor
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Cant wait for like week 8 data when warlocks and hunters randomly find 15k dps in their sims and rogue specs are mid tier again

dense cedar
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idr who write the icy veins guide

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i think selith

onyx wind
strange python
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
neon kindle
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Whats rc? I forget

twilit parcel
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How easy is it to get 1800 Rating In Solo Shuffle ?

onyx wind
twilit parcel
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I just want mog

balmy condor
dense cedar
neon kindle
onyx wind
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💀

neon kindle
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Kk

dense cedar
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been playing some of that HO outlaw

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all my CDs

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no opp procs

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powerful gameplay

onyx wind
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when u ss 13x in a row without a proc

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and then ur first pistol shot proc doesnt proc ambush

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hell yea brother

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the synergy

twilit parcel
dense cedar
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who knows

neon kindle
twilit parcel
thorny aurora
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Hey I'm trying to train a dragon tempered blade on dummy, but my deadly poison damage is kinda low (when simming it's supposed to be my 2nd highest source of damage)
What could I be doing wrong?

twilit parcel
dense cedar
balmy condor
neon kindle
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Luckily Sectech wasnt being used at the highest level of arenas so it doesnt really effect much

dense cedar
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mine was a joke

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was secret techniques nerfed?

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didn't even notice

onyx wind
dense cedar
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hey

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for sub it wouldn't matter

thorny aurora
dense cedar
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pretty sure that thing has CDR

onyx wind
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its nerfed in pvp yes

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30%

dense cedar
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ah pvp nerfs

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now i know why i didn't know

weak horizon
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With exsang being weaker due to the rc changes, is it optimal to go MA instead of exsang for m+ IC build? The pin only mentioned ST but I imagine it has decent impact on m+ too?

neon kindle
dense cedar
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yes

neon kindle
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Oh someone answered myb

dense cedar
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nw

austere radish
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can you guys advise a macro for free ambush? that it is on the same hotkey as mutilate

plain flax
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Guys is there anywhere we can track Antrophic posion for like how much its doing ?

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just out of intrest

balmy condor
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Wdym how much its doing

sudden sigil
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Question, im learning Assa and using HEKILL but it is not picking up talents like deathmark, ER etc. Is there another addon that is better for this or do you need to configure hekill?

abstract junco
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Feels great to enjoy the last vestiges of Echoing this week knowing the fun of its gameplay minigame is getting nuked because reasons. Love it.

balmy condor
sudden sigil
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Thanks

restive sparrow
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
dense cedar
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What is Hekill

quaint dragon
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addon that tells u to press buttons

pure moth
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a rotation helper

sudden sigil
torpid orchid
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you have to go in and make sure the talents aren't in the exclusion list on the cooldowns

dense cedar
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seems pointless for assassination

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have the buttons are dots

balmy condor
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Whatever

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All rotation helpers

dense cedar
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and a bunch of them can't be used without pressing different one first

balmy condor
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All dogshit

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Why have an addon that tells you how to play the game

dense cedar
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I'd always just suggest sitting on a dummy for like

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an hour

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if you want to get button comfy

exotic parcel
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On the first boss in the raid should i go aoe build for that ads? Not sure how frequent they spawn

ancient rain
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conflict rotation optimizer took me from 13th place to 1st place on SLG mythic prog because i never played outlaw before

abstract junco
#

Anyone have a quick line on how the RC changes impact ER? I understand that we’re losing an animacharged point (which seems like an indirect compounded PB nerf?) Is there anything else to the nerf worth knowing rotationally?

dense cedar
#

since its 3 cp between 2-5

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instead of 4

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ER will always give either 2 or 3 cp

#

so it can hit a blank

abstract junco
#

Oof. Okay, not super, more cursed RNG fishing gameplay, but got it.

broken flame
#

guys what are the bis enchants for weapons

dense cedar
broken flame
#

thx

outer cairn
#

Sin players on top and having fun?

dusk wasp
#

foreal tho

outer cairn
#

w/e. its early in the xpac, i'm having fun playing Sin again and really enjoying it and still having fun playing dtb for raid and kb+ic for keys so

abstract junco
#

I’m loving it too! But it’s disappointing to train up to liking ER and then having it become a weird RNG fishery.

outer cairn
#

I know they are removing a CP, but is it going to be a flat one they remove or is it going to be random? So one time it could charge 3,4, and 5 and the next it could be 2, 3, 4 or even crazier like 2,3,5

copper hazel
#

random

outer cairn
#

ffs

static glacier
earnest imp
#

ugh, what things can we use to proc the diurnal ring?

#

helm and set from cos?

#

is there anything more simple

outer cairn
#

i think flaring cowl is the go to if you have the ring

sudden sigil
#

We still run Lariant as Assa right?

outer cairn
#

Hmm. I have the Diurna ring and kinda forgot about that fact lol. Using Lariat and Fang Adornments though, but my turtle shell does fire damage so that can proc it i guess

vivid sundial
#

guys do u let deathmark wait for 1 min to do it with exsang ?

earnest imp
#

😄

vivid sundial
#

quick i am on diurna hc and idk hwo to play this spec

earnest imp
#

guild must be happy

outer cairn
vivid sundial
#

TY

outer cairn
#

they'll naturally line up again at the 6 min mark

kindred rapids
#

Doesn't seem like ER needed a nerf, the other capstones already see play

subtle tundra
#

sure it does starege

#

shd goes hard

kindred rapids
#

Oof are we really down to 86k ST in sims

#

dark times

thorn crater
#

beri quick question

#

is fillial duty on the bis list cause of mastery right

next edge
#

4 set unlocked

gusty mirage
#

go fuck yourself 🙂

royal lantern
#

2set in 1 raidday

#

only normal, but who cares

twilit lagoon
#

I lost both rolls on the tier drops

next edge
#

come to my bedroom

viscid spear
twilit lagoon
#

Does the ER nerf change the opener?

storm onyx
slim hamlet
#

Love it 🙂

hazy iron
#

If I have 5 combo points do I spent them on a finisher or use another spender

#

*spend

slim hamlet
#

spend

limber lion
#

Always finish on 5-6

hazy iron
#

k. Thank you

rich scaffold
#

What is RC und FC?

gusty mirage
#

RC - Resounding Clarity, the point above echoing reprimand that gives us 3 anima charged combo points instead of 1

#

FC - Fatal Concoctions

rich scaffold
echo geyser
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
thin gate
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
timber meadow
#

what are people removin int he dragon-tempered build to get an additional shadowstep charge?

fading mason
#

is the cos ring giga bis again

primal wedge
#

If i run DTB mythic is it one rupture and spam envenom for the poison bomb?

cerulean nest
#

what are yall spending valor on this week

limber lion
subtle tundra
#

399 ilvl tomorrow i craft 418 neck and i crank the raid at 400 ilvl

limber lion
#

You want one but you can do with another ring

limber lion
#

You don't have too too much time spamming Envenom because you have to maintain rupture and ct

primal wedge
#

i see thanks Ceverion

limber lion
#

no problem Sheep

errant willow
#

Why is it correct to use deathmark when vanishing ideally?

misty holly
#

vanish Garotte (sorry) does +50% damage. Deathmark doubles that.

errant willow
#

rupture or garrote?

#

With the improved talent

#

Ok that makes sense

#

Thanks

dense herald
#

How you lads finding the raid

limber lion
#

Pretty dank

dense herald
#

It’s so damn fun and once we outscale it on farm I feel like farm will be a breeze, won’t have to use our brains

#

Using brain during prog is enough

next edge
#

I love it

#

really sad we won't raid anymore until 4th january

#

fucking sadge

hoary shell
#

How can I sim emblishments?

dark token
#

I like the raid

#

Eranog a bit easy

ornate valley
#

can anyone help me?

dark token
timber meadow
#

is there a way to remove bone spike from a training dummy? im not in combat and have left the room and came back and it's still there

ornate valley
#

ignore it

#

you will go out of combat anyway

timber meadow
#

i know but im tryna reset my meter

#

but it keeps pulsing dmg

ornate valley
#

reset and start rotation that one tick will mean nothing 😄

timber meadow
#

so the answer is no?

stiff geode
#

In the spreadsheet, what is "PB Nerf" referring to? Idk what PB is.

Thanks

sand elm
#

when using the DTB ST opener, do we reapply rupture mid deathmark?

dark token
dull crypt
#

@stiff geode Poison bomb

dark token
craggy nimbus
#

On a sidenote, you can upgrade all your gear without needing a specific rating?

dull crypt
#

You req rating for higher ranks

sand elm
craggy nimbus
ornate valley
#

anyone able to help me? IM stuck with my dps, I have no clue how to progress 😦 I have logs, uptimes, and cast amount is the same as the dude who does 2x dmg...... while being lower geared.......

royal lantern
#

we kill raz normal in tuesday, do some hc fights, and then break until january

#

christmas raid release is great pepehands

oak sky
#

Tbh theres always raiding over christmas kinda

#

Only worry is that this tier might be a little shorter

dense herald
flat bear
next edge
#

we do

dense herald
#

Rip man

ornate valley
#

I followed method build and Im using same talents as this guy, with small differences..........

sand elm
#

is it better to keep envenom buff up for as long as possible, or just envenom soon as u have the CP for it?

subtle tundra
#

assa is so fucking busted bro

image.png
pure spoke
#

is whispering trinket good

#

or bis rather

next edge
#

half our raiders going away

#

to visit family

next edge
subtle tundra
#

keep guessing

#

world mobs

deft vault
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
dense herald
#

Christmas > raid anyways 😍

oak sky
sand elm
#

im hovering around 88-90%

rigid comet
#

Do you maintain crimson tempest in single target? or just envenom spam

sand elm
#

im not even using CT in raids

manic haven
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rigid comet
#

not asking for the raid

#

but for the boss on the dungeon

balmy condor
rigid comet
#

ty whispyr

thorn crater
#

is the ideal ring combo filial and melandrus?

#

or do u swap melandrus for diurna's?

graceful crow
#

i'm switching assa guys

#

here i come

subtle tundra
#

cool

hasty vale
#

Hey are the nerfs coming with this weeks reset or 10.0.5?

balmy condor
#

this week

hasty vale
#

Ty ^^, also whats the command for the spread sheet again? I forgot it lol.

balmy condor
#

at least we assume it's this week

#

the ptr data is a little messy

hasty vale
#

Ya seems that way.

balmy condor
#

!fuu

#

this one

#

if

#

the bot would work

odd heath
#

!whispyr

hasty vale
#

lol uhoh

balmy condor
#

yeh

#

or that

hasty vale
#

Guess the bot is dead atm

balmy condor
#

it restarts sometimes

odd heath
balmy condor
#

for updates

odd heath
#

Fuu's ^^

hasty vale
#

ty buds!

graceful crow
#

full mastery gems for assa right ?

balmy condor
#

crit mast

graceful crow
#

oki

sand elm
#

does warcraft logs cut out poison bomb damage?

balmy condor
#

combines with envenom

sand elm
#

ahhhh ok

#

ty

rancid warren
#

Could there be rogue changes if 10.05.patch is further datamined?

balmy condor
#

not sure I understand the question

#

the current data is datamined

#

there is no "further datamined" until blizzard pushes another update

rancid warren
#

Oh i see

balmy condor
#

datamining is done basically instantly

dull crypt
#

yeehaw

image.png
balmy condor
#

pog

sand elm
#

how come the opener in faq is different to the one the raidbot sim one

balmy condor
#

cause openers aren't rigid things and the sim will do whatever it wants with little loss

#

but we have to make openers for people because the community is still in its chimpanzee stage of evolution where it doesn't realize that openers are pretty much irrelevant as long as you generally follow the logic

sand elm
#

gotcha

balmy condor
#

so we're stuck having to make openers

#

but also not optimizing raidbots openers

#

cause who gives a shit

sand elm
#

just noticed the raidbot one used 2 mutilates before the first rupture and potted on the pull

#

and thought id ask

#

but if its minimal difference then not going to worry about it

balmy condor
#

yeh it just wants to pot asap and get a 5cp rup

#

you can move around abilities in openers without much difference

#

like if you rupture 1 second earlier or later

#

in a 300 second fight

#

not really going to matter

sand elm
#

yeh thats fair

runic depot
#

how do buzzing runes work do they override my sophic?

sand elm
#

theyre like sharpening stones

#

1 per weapon. 2 hour buff. doesnt overwrite anything for us

runic depot
#

nice

thorny aurora
#

Could I dm someone a couple logs for advice and insight?

sand elm
#

should we be overwriting normal garrote in the deathmark window with vanish garrote regardless of the timer?

balmy condor
#

yes

sand elm
#

ok cool

indigo epoch
#

Sorry, im shit, is assas aoe target capped in DF?

unkempt belfry
#

Are the nerfs on Tuesday in the nightly build on raidbots?

indigo epoch
#

tree boss in academy makes my outlaw rogue cry 😦

unkempt belfry
#

sin slaps on that fight

drifting cloud
#

you need to use ptr sim command or something

indigo epoch
unkempt belfry
#

it's fall off after 8

#

for like ct and fok

indigo epoch
#

thanks

haughty heron
#

alchemist stone good? if so which one should we make?

balmy condor
#

Theyre pretty trash

#

I wouldnt bother

exotic parcel
#

Guys F for me please

#

I had Deadly poison on for the whole raid, instead of amply

balmy condor
#

You mean instead of deadly AND amplifying

#

Right

exotic parcel
#

'Cries in KB build'

halcyon arch
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
sudden sigil
strange trail
#

!whisper

sturdy light
#

these the right gems?

image.png
balmy condor
#

no

sturdy light
#

rip

balmy condor
#

there's crit/mast ones that are 70/33

sturdy light
#

ah noted ;p

dark token
#

Rip gold

graceful crow
#

any good sin streamers ? I was playing outlaw but since I looted 2 bis daggers and full mastery/crit I’ll switch to assa

#

plus assa is dope

balmy condor
#

varas, seli, me

royal lantern
graceful crow
# balmy condor varas, seli, me

do you have any videos of some m+ pushes? Also don’t you recommend going 2 shiv since there’s a lot of mobs to disenrage?

balmy condor
dark token
#

Better to go non sin in raging weeks imo for that reason

#

But if you stick with sin yes double shiv

graceful crow
subtle tundra
balmy condor
dark token
#

Just feels awk to hold shiv

balmy condor
graceful crow
#

I copied Zerocool build with double shiv, he’s one sims a tiny bit better smh than the one with ER

#

but anyway, when should I run double shiv (or not)

balmy condor
#

zerOMEGALULcOMEGALULOMEGALULl

subtle tundra
graceful crow
#

I’m kinda new to the game, so no offense

balmy condor
#

nah nothing you did

graceful crow
#

My max key is +13 and I was sweating hard

balmy condor
#

zerocool is just the ring master of the circus

#

dude is an absolute clown

graceful crow
#

+13 nokhud

dim slate
#

okay so dumb question, but what is pandemic and why do i need to refresh bleeds during it

graceful crow
#

w-w-wut ?

balmy condor
#

you'd basically want to play double shiv for raging weeks

#

and that's about it

balmy condor
prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

graceful crow
#

Alright

subtle tundra
#

Bro I watched zero not press snd for 4 minutes straight

#

His build is troll

dusk harness
#

Do we only spend combo points when we have the max amount possible?

balmy condor
#

max-1

dusk harness
#

kk

#

ty

graceful crow
#

So you don’t recommend me copying his build ?

balmy condor
#

recommend doing the opposite of him most of the time

craggy nimbus
#

Since I'm greedy and don't have any nice weapons yet, can I stack two of the "lower" enchants for instance 2x Burning Writ that gives a chance to increase crit?

subtle tundra
#

Use the build from here

graceful crow
#

Pls @balmy condor provide an M+ build with double shiv

subtle tundra
#

There is

craggy nimbus
#

Or take two different ones?

balmy condor
graceful crow
#

oof didn’t see it smh

balmy condor
#

I play exsang over MA as well

#

but I keep forgetting to change the image

graceful crow
subtle tundra
#

I like ma more than exsang

#

Exsang just feels bad on 3m

graceful crow
#

do you often use the wire thing talent (silence)

subtle tundra
#

It's mandatory

graceful crow
#

oh interesting, so you basically try to silence the most dangerous caster in packs?

subtle tundra
#

With ic you silence everything

exotic parcel
graceful crow
#

what

open otter
#

hey gents, are you guys using puzzle box on CD or lining it with DM?

graceful crow
#

so you can ic > gouge

#

to silence a whole pack ?

balmy condor
#

ic doesn't duplicate gouge

random fossil
balmy condor
#

it duplicates gar/rup

#

so you IC from stealth, then garrote

#

and it silences through iron wire

balmy condor
graceful crow
#

holy i didn’t knew that

balmy condor
#

it's an earth gem

exotic parcel
#

let me reprhase

#

it procced mastery

#

instead of crit

balmy condor
#

yeah

graceful crow
#

I’ll look all this up tmr, gotta go to sleep, thanks for being here guys 🫠

balmy condor
#

they're earth gems

#

they proc mastery

graceful crow
#

oh just another stupid question

#

does the silence interrupt casts ?

exotic parcel
#

yes

balmy condor
#

yeh

graceful crow
#

that’s based

#

cool

dusk harness
#

Anyone that can help me review some logs?

modest apex
#

Hi, haven't played since Legion so I'm rusty at rogue-ing, much less 'Sin. Looking to help guild push bosses tonight by switching to ST Assassination from Outlaw.

I see there's two main builds, Kingsbane & DTB. Should I go with Kingsbane regardless of DTB being "easier" to play?

#

We're working on Kurog, so there's adds I guess but yea.

flat kiln
#

stupid question but what is our best and 2nd best (with DTB) lethal poison? I assumed deadly was best until seeing JPC on amp now

celest helm
balmy condor
#

amp > deadly > never instant

flat kiln
#

ty ty

jolly carbon
#

Can someone explain something me like Im 5; In our DTB opener in the FAQ, why do we Deathmark AFTER rupture?

balmy condor
#

because deathmarking before rupture means you're wasting deathmark time

celest helm
balmy condor
#

deathmark duplicate bleeds = no bleeds, no duplicate

jolly carbon
#

ah okay I see

#

so itll dupe em even if they were cast beforehand, the ingame wording is a bit misleading

balmy condor
#

ye

jolly carbon
#

Also in the DTB opener is it Garrote->ONE Bonespike -> SnD or do we dump all bonespike stacks

balmy condor
#

one

#

you could technically also skip it and sbs later in the opener

#

really the world is your oyster

jolly carbon
#

Never give a new player choices you fool

#

but thank you

balmy condor
timber meadow
#

for raid fights like the eranog do you just run the M+ dtb build?

balmy condor
#

this expansion has been so painful

#

no

#

you run single target DTB for everything except council

timber meadow
#

okay and council is M+ dtb?

balmy condor
#

council is some half-m+ carnage poison bomb thing

#

wowhead has builds per boss

#

would just do that

timber meadow
#

word

#

prob just run outlaw on council actually, just need to think about where im running assa

somber fractal
#

so we sim like the same as outlaw st now?

dusk harness
#

I'm looking at these logs from my guilds raid earlier today, and I'm comparing my boss dmg to the other rogue in the group and I cant figure out why he's doing a lot more dmg than mehttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bTQ49RqD2KrnPYk#fight=9&type=damage-done&target=194

balmy condor
somber fractal
#

still not playing outlaw ever

#

smile

unreal cove
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

somber fractal
#

ill never get why blizzard wont allow a spec that specializes at st to be the best at it

#

meanwhile we got stuff like arcane mage that doges nerfs like they are neo in the matrix

timber meadow
#

yeah I was honestly confused when I simmed assa and my char was only like 5k higher on st than my law

#

is that cause of some nerfs or somethin

somber fractal
#

nerfs arent even in yet

#

well maybe on sims

#

i dont know anything about that

timber meadow
#

i sim 55k as law and like 60k as assa

#

so i mean that's still basically `10% diff which is big

balmy condor
dusk harness
#

Correct

grizzled jay
balmy condor
fleet atlas
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

you got crit gapped

#

idk what to tell you

fleet atlas
#

got a second dagger and my rl said i get pi if im sin so here we go

balmy condor
#

dude crit 60% of his envenoms

#

and he's got more mast/vers

#

so they baseline hit harder

#

just be like that

dusk harness
#

He consistently does more dmg than me in general, I'm just looking to figure out if I can change that with my gameplay or if it's a gear-thing.

sand elm
#

looks like just a difference in stat allocations

dusk harness
#

Alright

balmy condor
#

yeh I mean you're beating him on every single line except envenom and corporeal tear

#

and the envenom stuff is just rng

#

and the corporeal tear is just rng

#

and you procced less ambush that's just rng

dusk harness
#

Cool

#

Thanks for looking at it

balmy condor
#

np

dusk harness
#

I was really scratching my head

#

I'll look at getting better stats and becoming more lucky

#

Cheers

balmy condor
#

yeh just looks like normal variances

brazen zodiac
#

lots of rng

#

hi whisp

grizzled jay
tacit mica
#

whats the easiest way to sim my char with added 2+4 pc?

#

do i have to add 4 pieces in gear compare or is there other way?

balmy condor
#

add that to custom apl or expert mode or whatever

tacit mica
#

thank you ❤️

limpid phoenix
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
timber meadow
#

in the wowhead opener it doesn't have any mutilates in the opener - does it just not matter how many combo points you hit your snd/rupture for?

midnight vortex
timber meadow
#

and the rupture? cause the rupture is immediately following the snd

#

and the snd spends your points

#

yeah like im looking at a log from vash and he def mutilates twice after his snd before rupturing

#

but on wowhead it just wants you to like rupture immediately after snd? that seems like it just cant be right

#

or i guess they prob assume the reader isn't dumb af and follows normal finisher rules

#

thats prob it lmao

#

ya huh, wowhead wants you to bonespike super late and er kinda early compared to what im seeing some of the top logs doing

light goblet
#

someone tell me a good single target opener

sacred hearth
timber meadow
#

oh okay yeah the wowhead opener prob just out of date - thanks for linking that @sacred hearth

jolly carbon
#

Tree man in academny is very cringe

shut owl
#

Whelp; moved from bottom parse on N terros to 24% on H terros; steady improvement thanks to a lot of y'all answering my dumb questions XD

#

just wanted to say thanks :>

jolly carbon
#

No such thing as dumb questions thats how you get better

shut owl
#

still baffling me because I'm crushing the meters, just not beyond the pond of the local group lol

weak plover
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
shut owl
#

feels good to not be 728/728 though. XD

obsidian beacon
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
obsidian beacon
#

is there a resource that outlines recommend builds for each boss in vault?

gilded oasis
obsidian beacon
#

i know warcraft logs exist but aint nobody got time for that

#

thank you

jade wadi
#

I used the primal council build and parsed a 91, so I'd say it's trustworthy

limber lion
#

I would personally drop the PB/TTK because I hate juggling CT and PB together

#

And just get more Zoldy's

#

all my homies love Zoldy

timber meadow
#

is the primary dps use for vanish on assa just to get improved garrotes out?

gusty mirage
#

yes

timber meadow
#

after the opener do I hold deathmark for the next vanish to get an improved garrote duplicated?

sand elm
distant birch
#

Hey, for having 2 shadowstep as Assa wich talents i should removed?
ty!

sand elm
#

then when vanish is up just overwrite mid DM

celest helm
timber meadow
#

@sand elm thanks

tough shell
#

can anyone recommend a assasinsation pvp guide?

#

specifically kingsbane build

trim zinc
rocky ruin
#

how badly is this nerf coming on tuesday going to be?

#

raid wise mainly

balmy condor
#

pins

runic hinge
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
thorn fjord
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
visual slate
#

Where in the opening do i use algethar puzzle box?

balmy condor
#

before dm

mild canyon
#

Why is everyone losing their minds over the coming nerfs?

rocky ruin
#

"3% aura" what does this mean in the pin about the nerf

mild canyon
visual slate
#

Cool ty

balmy condor
#

it got nerfed by 3%

#

so we now do -3% damage with abilities

mild canyon
#

The nerfs are literally not that bad seeing we were slapping the shit out of everything on every spec anyways

#

Right?

balmy condor
#

I mean

#

assassination lost all reason to be played over outlaw and sub

#

but

#

yeah

#

it's fine probably

shut owl
#

primary reason to play sin over outlaw is just to not need to hear the crack of the pistol multi-shotting over and over and over

balmy condor
#

we now do outlaw single target and don't compete on 2+ targets

#

wahoo

mild canyon
#

Maybe this is a dumb question right

#

But if assa and outlaw sim similar in pure single target

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wouldn't assa be the better choice for single target because it's not as rng dependent?

shut owl
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outlaw has a lot of rng-proofing in it

mild canyon
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yes but assa doesn't have rng

balmy condor
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I mean if you think a variance of 4% is that much worse than a variance of 3%

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then yeah

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holy banger assa op

mild canyon
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I don't understand what that means whispyr

shut owl
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outlaw has a big window of bad vs good... but thats less "oh i kept rolling dice bad" and more "I don't know how to play with the dice right"

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outlaw RNG isn't a huge thing because when you roll poop you get buffs anyways to roll the things you didn't get. and when you pop cd's you brute-force good rolls.

balmy condor
mild canyon
shut owl
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I still like sin just for "oh no, boss mechanic came up during my damage window, but missing one gcd of melee isn't going to break my entire thing"

mild canyon
balmy condor
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and with assassination its 1.6k

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so

mild canyon
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I got ya

balmy condor
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if you think that difference

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is super important

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where you might swing like a couple hundred dps higher or lower in your 60 pulls on a fight

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then yeah

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sure

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assassination super good

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but it's basically just as rng as anything else

mild canyon
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nah I'm not that kinda player

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tbf I come from outlaw and was annoyed I had to play assa for a lot of the fights but I started to enjoy assa and now I'm annoyed it's going to be leveled again back to outlaw or even below it

balmy condor
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such is assassinations life

mild canyon
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outlaw is just TE_ResidentSleeper

balmy condor
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the circle of life for assassination is "it doesn't do aoe so it should be good single target -> it's good single target -> nerfed so now it's not really that much better single target -> why am I playing this? -> everyone rolls outlaw -> next season goes on ptr -> go to start"

shut owl
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unless you are going for cutting edge you can prolly tell your guild to shove it 😛

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and just play what you like

mild canyon
balmy condor
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do we?

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lot of sub players in pvp these days

mild canyon
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one trick ponies man

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assa dream

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idk it's a shame what they're doing to assa

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I know it's probably a circlejerk at this point

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but to me it's the best melee spec in the game from a gameplay POV

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and it just keeps getting cucked

dense herald
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I mean it’s still viable so play it

mild canyon
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I got too much FOMO to do that

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if I can squeeze out another 1.5% dps by playing the more meta spec I will

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even if I don't enjoy playing it

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I know it's ridiculous

red tinsel
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Does Manic Grieftorch gets interrupted by other actions?

balmy condor
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ye

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it's just a regular channel

dense herald
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Always nice when the spec or class you play is best but is what it is, not much to do when you got a mindset to play the best no matter what

red tinsel
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So use it before Deathmark, like on pull?

balmy condor
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yeah that's fine

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any time before dm is good

mild canyon
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but I just can't help myself TE_PainsChamp

dense herald
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Haha dw I’m the same

mild canyon
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I mean I have been enjoying outlaw in keys regardless

dense herald
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But assa still pumps compared to some of the classes out there and it’s gonna be a nice spec to play on farm anywats