assassination

[balmy condor]

it's random

and it's 1 less cp

so it's 1% nerf

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor i'm guessing there's no way to squeeze CB into the class tree to combat the RNG in ER?

[balmy condor]

sure there is

you drop RC for CB

and then do 2% less damage

[idle coyote]

👉🏼👈🏼

[keen spruce]

i'm just gonna not worry about the .5% and play the opener consistent

I play rogue so i don't have to use my brain

[balmy condor]

ER update probably fucks exsang as well

[keen spruce]

i don't wanna evaluate decision tree's mid pull

[balmy condor]

but that needs a code change

which koji put in earlier

I think we're actually safe from exsang

[keen spruce]

I barely wanted to take exang when it was 10% damage increase

miss me with that shit at whatever it is now

[red cloak]

yo is SBS really that necessary for Kingsbane build? I feel like I got too many buttons already lmao

[balmy condor]

yes

it's necessary on every single target build

[keen spruce]

sbs very gud

[red cloak]

so just spam it to get rid of the charges and then go to mutilate while it recharges?

[keen spruce]

sbs was like 4% of my damage on raszegath

[red cloak]

tf wow

[keen spruce]

I normally toss one out in the opener

then sit on 1 or two charges

and use them in spots where you're forced to be out of range, or on a prio ad or something

you can always dump them later

[red cloak]

okay thanks. im running out of space and binds for this crap

[balmy condor]

and that doesn't even count the lethal dose gain

[storm forum]

CT for Lethal Dose gain when?

[red cloak]

yeah wtf

its a bleed

[balmy condor]

yeah

it works

[red cloak]

also is exsang necessary?

[sturdy egret]

what is SBS? im lost

[balmy condor]

no

[red cloak]

Serrated Bone Spike

[sturdy egret]

ahh ok

[red cloak]

good cuz 3m cd

sounds annoying af

[storm forum]

lines up with puzzle box 🤔

[red cloak]

whats puzzle box im level 69 on my first character

[storm forum]

it's a trinket, it's a channel and gives you like 40 million mastery

it makes for the funniest, most horrible openers where you do all your standard opener things, channel for 2 seconds to solve a puzzle, and then finally press exang/dm/kb

[red cloak]

lmao

yo so I took TTB over Exsang, bc that makes Shiv hit pretty hard. is that bad

everything else is exactly like the guide in the FAQs tho

[balmy condor]

Exsang apparently takes a big L from the RC changes where you can't guarantee ER->Rup->Exsang, leaving us with the same build as before. These changes aren't in raidbots yet, but I will make another pin once they are reflected.

[lethal heart]

ok i have absolutely idiot question

[gentle roost]

15 TNO

[lethal heart]

hhow can 3% aura nerf result in 2% dps loss

and not in 3

[vast forum]

auras don't affect stuff like trinkets

[lethal heart]

ok

[vast forum]

autoattacks (i think)

[lethal heart]

that makes sense

true

ty

[vast forum]

it's only abilities

you're welcome, sir

[balmy condor]

(you're right)

[lethal heart]

👍

[vast forum]

(you're cute)

[red cloak]

oh...

[balmy condor]

(infinite rizz)

[vast forum]

(i don't speak zoomer language, so i'm just gonna take that as a compliment)

[balmy condor]

(you're super poggers bro)

[red cloak]

I am only 25 and I have to urban dictionary half the things people say to me

[vast forum]

(mildly less zoomer but it's lingo my boomer brain still understands)

i'm 28 soon and i feel ancient online

[balmy condor]

damn soon you're be seli age

[red cloak]

I have this girl who works in the office next to me and she speaks english to me right but half the stuff she says I just dont know wtf shes trying to convey

[stiff garden]

I got a 379 turtle ritual shell and it sims as my best trinket currently. Which blessing is the best for assa?

[balmy condor]

fire

[stiff garden]

thank you

[balmy condor]

your pfp is staring into my soul

[stiff garden]

Hahahahaha, indeed it is

and it sees helpful advice

[hardy dagger]

man this rc change is pure pain

[vast forum]

ngl, making RC this RNG feels awful

should at least be consistently 2,3,4 CP

[balmy condor]

yeah it's horrid

[red cloak]

dude my Kingsbane crit did 35k in one tick omg

[vast forum]

have we heard anything from mr rogue dev himself since the changes were announced?

[balmy condor]

the first?

[red cloak]

no, but Im still impressed bc im level 69 lol

[balmy condor]

oh

that number will go up

[red cloak]

did anyone else feel like rogue was unplayable before DF came out, like during the prepatch

[balmy condor]

no

[vast forum]

wasn't unplayable but couldn't compete with the broken classes

namely boomies and afflocks in raids

and idk who was good in m+ i didn't do a single key in prepatch

[balmy condor]

prepatch tuning is a joke

[crisp shard]

Anyone with tier pieces simc string?

[balmy condor]

gameplay wise it was fine

[crisp shard]

HC

[red cloak]

it just felt so incomplete (which it technically was) but like other classes were just better off due to the talent pathing

[vast forum]

i have to disagree with realz on the ER nerf tho

[red cloak]

ER is fun

did the nerf already happen or is it coming soon

[vast forum]

i was really hoping it would get buffed in some way so it becomes best pick for sub on ST while keeping CB as the aoe option

but now it lost any chance at competing

[ripe rapids]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal dune]

On situations like this wouldn't it be better to use the shiv before envenom to try and fish for a 4-5 anima charge and then have more charged cps for the shiv window + more possible envenoms?

[solid mica]

Tbh our class tree capstones already feel kinda weak. The rng is definetely a bummer since our opener already a mouthful

[rigid tartan]

gotta say bronzed grip wrappings are quite underwhelming but i guess theres nothing better than this about 1% increase?

[strange silo]

Whispyr in pins kb and dtb are 300 dps apart this means kb is overall stronger because of the execute benefits ye?

[balmy condor]

if that's what you value

[balmy condor]

most embellishments are like 0.5-0.8%

[dark token]

stop

Sub right now is perfect

Do not touch gameplay. Do not make ER bis

It was omegacancer in SoD

[vast forum]

no 🙂

[balmy condor]

rolling over the animacharged cp raises the chance that you miss it entirely, that's been shown to not be worth

[solid mica]

er has always been fine

[vast forum]

using diff builds for ST and AoE is better

than just using same build for both

[dark token]

It is different

First dance

You can also go flag

[vast forum]

ye, tornado and BP too

that's not a huge diff

and class tree is the same

[dark token]

Er and sub should not coexist

[solid mica]

Why

[dark token]

Shtech makes it aids af

[vast forum]

sub hits the animacharged CPs easily nowadays

[dark token]

Or whatever passive is called I forgot

Nowadays? It's the same as in sod

Aka cancer

[solid mica]

I thought it was great in sod, gave you something to do in between cds

[vestal dune]

So even if an empowered garrote is about to fall, we just always use the empowered cp and let garrote drop for a second?

[vast forum]

no, there is no tier now

oh

same as in sod

[strange silo]

i mean i dunno dont know about the number game but wouldnt it be overall stronger because technically the execute dmg is like 10% right?
ofc dtb plays easier and stuff but pure dmg wise its stronger?

[dark token]

I played it in sod without tier

[vast forum]

it wasn't aids in sod tho

[dark token]

And it was omega cancer then

[balmy condor]

yes

[vast forum]

it was more than fine in sod

and also with 1 dance build

[vestal dune]

All right, ty!!

[balmy condor]

you should be letting the garrote drop anyway

[vast forum]

you have more time stabbing

less time striking

=more time to hit animacharges

[dark token]

Nope, er get out

[vast forum]

i played ER at the start of the expac when practicing a bit on a dummy and it felt good

it also gives extra DM stack

[dark token]

Tolerable on outlaw only, post rng change

[tough atlas]

is it bad to re refresh garrote early when i need the 1 combo point for a max combo point finisher?

[vast forum]

and a guaranteed 7CP sectech

[dark token]

Yes

You don't finish at max

[vestal dune]

I try to always snipe it when it reaches 0 and be sure to never be in a global, but sounds like a stupid gain if it even is one

[dark token]

Finish at max -1

[balmy condor]

mental gain I guess

[vestal dune]

Feels satisfying :)

[slim hamlet]

Man how do I get better

I just wanna be good

Give me the cheat codes

forward backwards 2x left and a right

[torn atlas]

Being good is over rated

[subtle sand]

which is better for raid deadly posion of amplifying posion?

[thorny pond]

If you spec Amp, use it

[fast barn]

does Venomous Wound refund energy only for either Garrote or Rupture? My energy regen is slower than 35 apm

[balmy condor]

it does both

and I doubt you're slower than 35

[thorny pond]

Yes every garrote and rupture out

[fast barn]

I have a metronome running. 11% haste may be a little low on single tho

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

Haste isn’t going to affect it, much/noticeably

Bleed up times and use your tea man

[balmy condor]

are you level 70?

[fast barn]

yes

[balmy condor]

you're not 35 apm then

idk what to tell you

[slim hamlet]

Have you talented VW?

[balmy condor]

like

[devout prism]

are nerfs live now or coming later

[balmy condor]

you're either doing something fundamentally wrong

[slim hamlet]

later

[devout prism]

ok thanks

[balmy condor]

or you're missing a talent

[unborn berry]

Do your weapons have poisons on them

[devout prism]

does pre-pull puzzlebox work?

[fast barn]

ofc, that's why I'm asking.

[balmy condor]

it breaks stealth

[fast barn]

yes

[devout prism]

ok I'll just do it right before deathmark

[dense herald]

Puzzle box is the most antifun trinket I swear

[thorny pond]

Link some logs

[balmy condor]

or a sim

[half light]

why are most builds in the Raid Tips part of Wowhead's guide mostly DTB?

[balmy condor]

because it does more damage

[half light]

Are they easier or they deal better dmg?

[thorny pond]

Because it’s better

[half light]

oh, really?

[slim hamlet]

Because it sucks and whisper is trying to scam you

[half light]

damn, I must become acustome to them lol

[fast barn]

am just on a dummy

[thorny pond]

Link your sim then

[balmy condor]

I'm actually scamming the fuck out of every rogue

[half light]

it's not as bursty as the KB one, right? maybe that's why I feel it weird

[half light]

Rogue amongts rogues

[slim hamlet]

Just a rat scamming us all with every possible troll in the world to hit logs

[thorny pond]

Didn’t know you’re a warriors man now

[fast barn]

raidbots? what time?

[half light]

thanks by the way!

[thorny pond]

Just a patchwork 5min

[ebon notch]

Whispyr how do you use kingsbane in keys

Is it just a single target thing

[thorny pond]

You got it dude

[fast barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fgz9tnn2fPe6LWjyQfJTgD

[balmy condor]

Call me azor buddy

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ebon notch]

Azortharion?

[dark token]

He's prob running instant poison

[ebon notch]

Secret hunter?

[ebon notch]

Ty

[thorny pond]

Archi?

[slim hamlet]

wtf is this

[fast barn]

deadly/numbing

[thorny pond]

Look at #assassination-faq again
Your talents are scuffed for ST

[dark token]

I'm not whispyr but you press it when it's up and mob lives

[balmy condor]

Thats huge tech

[slim hamlet]

New wowhead writer

[fast barn]

It's my m+ spec, just practicing for bosses. Ofc it isnt anything useful for raids
energy starvation fcks me up bad

[slim hamlet]

Actually coming in here to steal his job

wtf man

[tame slate]

Whispyr getting exposed

[slim hamlet]

I dontt even understand how youre simming this low

[balmy condor]

Its an m+ build

[dark token]

Ty guys, my guide presented by r1 sin heroic eranog day 1 for 12 hours before everyone gets gear

[balmy condor]

He just explained it

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

But

Give me a sec

[balmy condor]

To do what

[fast barn]

removed all buffs too, difference shouldnt be too big tho

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-thatsok-thats-ok-gif-19239509

@slim hamlet

[dark token]

All buffs removed is quite big actually

[balmy condor]

Its pretty slow but it definitely shouldn’t be THAT slow

[slim hamlet]

to see what i sim with that build before I talk shit

[balmy condor]

Sub 35 is insane

[dark token]

I guarantee you he accidentally applied instanf poison instead of deadly

Cause it's the first one on the list

And I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc VW

[fast barn]

lul I'd never

[thorny pond]

Sim is also low tho

On mobile

Big brain got you tho

[dark token]

Cause I may have done that and felt super energy starved for about 10s

[balmy condor]

No buff single target with an m+ build

Bro

How many times

Do I have to explain this

[thorny pond]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

Why do you even have instantt poison on your bar

Wait do you guys have the drop down shit

[balmy condor]

Yes

[orchid pagoda]

If I craft a weapon with my spark, can i recraft with Primal Infusion to increase it later?

[slim hamlet]

ew

[dark token]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

2x the clicks

Too inefficient

[balmy condor]

Yes

[normal mist]

just found out what "pain" looks like

[balmy condor]

Yeah thats my concern

[dark token]

Its quite annoying to have instant on the first slot

[normal mist]

xDDDD

[slim hamlet]

malding

[flint tusk]

[slim hamlet]

Even tthe fucking avoidance and socket

wtf is that

[fast barn]

fwiw with buffs, no pot: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cL6QkGVSo7qRnfY2gsvGxZ

no way an m+ fight lasts 5min tho

[valid leaf]

Staff weaving demo new tech?

[normal mist]

xDD

[true thorn]

hey guys, i need to raid tonight and do my best, what would you recommend DTB or Kingsbane buil?

[slim hamlet]

DTB

Easier to focus on the encounter and sims very close and higher with gear

What are people simming right now?

[true thorn]

thanks!

[balmy condor]

Need a little more than that

[rigid tartan]

its not possible to remove embellishment completely from a weapon but you can change it on a recraft to a different one right?

[chrome holly]

seeing a few people play sin in M+, can it compete with outlaw dam?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[woeful meteor]

you can remove them starting next week I think, there is a feature for it on ptr and I'd assume it gets pushed next weekly

[dark token]

68k

(assuming you mean patchwerk st pre nerf 5 mins)

[hearty junco]

time to do some dmg bois

[normal mist]

ohh lets go my dood!

[slim hamlet]

ye

[fast barn]

forgot to say thanks for everyone's help o/

[slim hamlet]

Wont get any

patchwerk 5 min

[balmy condor]

Around 65k for most I think

70 on the high end

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1UKmeWqE92aFzxkojXsyHM

me rn

[slim hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u1VjJ2fmLTMwC7LBEevogR

Sadge

[dull crypt]

guessing one needs to be a 4 set enjoyer to near 70

[slim hamlet]

I am rocking that big 1 piece

[balmy condor]

You crafted two daggers?

[slim hamlet]

No

Other one is from primal storm shit

385

[balmy condor]

Oh

Mobile tooltips dont exist

[slim hamlet]

Unluck

[dull crypt]

im third rogue in line to get tier, because I got a 389 dagger on day 1

loot council is great and im not at all concerned

[slim hamlet]

Could hit a big 59k if I decided TO SPEND MY ENTIRE LIFESAVINGS ON A 100K WEAPON ENCHANT

[dull crypt]

i had to reroll 7 times for r5 proc daggie

pain

[dark token]

When ur guild gives u less gear cause ur an m+ gamer and have better gear than raidloggers

[gusty mirage]

can't relate

[slim hamlet]

Made it myself

2nd try baby

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-money-gif-25191018

[dark token]

That's an L

[slim hamlet]

Got that juice 40% proc chance

Because I'm cool like that

[dark token]

I'm pretty sure I inspire procced all 3 of: 405 lariat, 405 dag, 418 dag craft

[gusty mirage]

you should inspire this

[slim hamlet]

Gladly

[distant mesa]

what embellish we stil doing the Fang>

[raven vapor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

Also oxi how are you an actual beast at sin

[dark token]

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

I have a reall smol wiener

correlates with dps

[dark token]

They all suck it's all scam

[thorny pond]

Big

[dark token]

Go no embellished dag

Flaring cowl

Steal ring from mages

[gusty mirage]

flaring c wl

[main blaze]

1/penislength = dps

[gusty mirage]

this is big brain tho

[normal mist]

was thinking about getting lariat neckless but people asking 200k FEE so fuck it, i can just wander around with the World boss neck no problem

[gusty mirage]

everytime you grief a mage, a new star is born in the universe

[dark token]

((L*D)+(W/G))/(A^2) = dps
Length times Diameter plus Weight over Girth divided by Angle of the tip squared

[gusty mirage]

do your part

[gusty mirage]

bro what

200k?

[normal mist]

serious-

[gusty mirage]

are they giving you the gems too?

what the actual fuck

lmao

[normal mist]

I'm telling you, 200k fee, its nutz lol

[gusty mirage]

that better come with a r3 primalist gem of your choosing for 200k

[dark token]

I paid 70k for my 418 dagger craft and felt that was hella expensive

[distant mesa]

I only paid 30k

but got the wrong stats

[main blaze]

well...

[normal mist]

i got my 392 dagger done for 30k aswell

[dark token]

No missive

Oh 392? That one was free

Public order yolo

Anyone with the craft has enough skill to r5

[lavish wing]

How much would that 418 cost

Besides an arm and a leg

[dark token]

Like I said it was 70k commission for 418 dag

Recrafts included

Don't think I needed any tho

Unless he stealth recraftsd a couple times

[lavish wing]

Thats a lot of gold 🤣

[dark token]

418 is more expensive cause you need the inspire mat or w/e

[normal mist]

im missing the primal infusion for 392+ dagger

[dark token]

70k for a bis mythic dag is nothing

Boes are like a couple mil usually

[lavish wing]

Im poor

[dark token]

Hell your legendary was 70k in SL

Same shit

[prisma cypress]

im considering whether to have a 392 dagger and neck crafted

what are the potential pitfalls/downsides of doing it now

[dark token]

Also you can get it for far cheaper

My 405 dag was 10k optional tip from me

I just couldn't find that same blacksmith online for 418

And I wanted it asap for key push

[gusty mirage]

yep

tossing a 90k enchant on it doesn't matter either

cuz you're never not using it

like you're legit just set

[dark token]

Ye

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-pawn-star-20bucks-the-best-i-can-do-the-best-i-can-do-is20bucks-gif-15253458

[dark token]

If you wait a couple weeks too if just gets cheaper as smiths get more skill

[prisma cypress]

does recrafting require more skill to reach a certain quality than crafting at a certain level to begin with? does it cost the crafter a lot of artisan's mettle? should i expect prices to rapidly plummet in the next couple of weeks?

do the extra sockets stay on the neck after it's recrafted?

[dark token]

That's a lot of questions. In order:

1. it depends on material quality in both cases. Item remembers the mats u use, so u can't recraft r1 mat item with r3 mats and expect same skill bonus as a fresh r3 craft
2. none
3. not rapidly, but lower somewhat
4. yes

Prices also depend on smith

U can also just skill blacksmith and craft it urself in 1-2 weeks

[slim hamlet]

smart

[cloud moat]

Isn't that exactly how it works though. Recrafting gives you the same skill bonus for less materials

[vivid sundial]

i am not good with numbers i cannot tell if rupture does more damage per combo point or only increases in duration

ofc total damage increases but does the actual dot damage increase per cp?

[cloud moat]

I could be wrong, but afaik it's all about the energy

Aka no

[vivid sundial]

all about the energy?

[cloud moat]

If you have to reapply Rupture every 7 seconds, you end up wasting a ton of energy and gcd on nothing

[vivid sundial]

yeah true

[cloud moat]

With Exsanguinate you do in a way get more damage "per combo point"

[obsidian beacon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[steady prairie]

how does the current top sin build stack up to the ambush build outlaw, complexity wise?

[obsidian beacon]

what we food we tryna eat?

sim it?

[agile geode]

Is sub gonna surpass sin on raid now?

[swift magnet]

can someone explain why I see a lot of RWF rogues socketing +stat+mastery on their Elemental Lariat instead of +stat+crit gem? I thought I understood the proc

[thorny pond]

Sims better

For them

[swift magnet]

I was told it procs the lowest stat of the gem right? so I can understand +crit+mast gems but not really have mastery instead of crit on the +stat gem

[normal mist]

i wish there was an easier way to find people who had X Y Z recipes like Lariat neckless

[swift magnet]

do as did: ask a rogue who crafted their's

[gusty mirage]

#wow-general message super useful image to have around for when your friends inevitably ask you about it

[swift magnet]

thx

[obsidian beacon]

mfw i finally read the guide and see this "DO NOT EXSANGUINATE DURING DEATHMARK, IT IS A LOSS OF ~10%. This is due to Exsanguinate reducing the duration of Deathmark, thus cutting the duplication effect early." but that's what i've doing the whole time

[swift magnet]

well I looked into it but cant figure out what it is supposed to teach? can you help?

[manic haven]

Its still looking like neck and oh dagger right boys?

[dull cloak]

if there's a lariat crafter they're usually advertising it on trade

it's big money

[peak bobcat]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[normal mist]

Yeah 200k fee on my server

[slim hamlet]

Got a 405 for 50k today

Usually everything on tarren mill eu is insanely pricy, but that one guy was insane

[manic haven]

Crit Mastery on the neck right boys?

[odd dew]

How do the Illimited Diamonds work, can I have more than 1 on my neck piece?

[outer cairn]

dagger from terros on first hc kill. lets go

[balmy condor]

1 on your char total

[odd dew]

I see thank you, saved me alot of money lol

[normal mist]

just did a CoS, where the paladin tank said he needed the AA ring. im crying rn

[somber bison]

is there a difference in the proc dmg on wrappings r2 vs r3 or just the recipe diffculty ?

[normal mist]

there MUST be a difference

[dense herald]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dense herald]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[fallen charm]

anyone know if there is a way to track if the garrote on a target is empowered or not?

for weakauras purposes

[grizzled jay]

https://wago.io/search/garrote

there is an entire search function on the website

[full summit]

I saw someone with a build mainly using like garrote and rupture doing like HELLA damage with it.

Is there a specific build around using your bleeds to do insane damage?

[fallen charm]

I think the most damaging ability in a long fight is garrote

on dungeons garrote is always the most damaging ability overall

for me atleast

[full summit]

Hmm alright

[trim dirge]

yeah maximizing improved garrote is important

[fallen charm]

I was looking for an easy way to track the improved, but that would take a lot of coding

I'll just remember the target with the improved one and on single targets it's not like tracking it would help a lot

[steel geyser]

I reckon Luxthos wa package tracks improved garrote, you can maybe try to sneak this specific aura from his group

[fallen charm]

I was butchering some improved garrote auras

but I don't like messing with that amount of coding

[true thorn]

regarding elemental lariat should we pick diff color gems?

[balmy condor]

no

just crit/mast

[shadow sequoia]

which poison combination for raid?

[manic haven]

so 1 agility and crit and then 2x crit mastery? Apologies if I'm being a tool, just double checking.

[drifting cosmos]

There is a post in icyvien about that neck, should be mostly accurate

[manic haven]

Cheers

[royal lantern]

i Just simmed, and it put crit/mastery as my best combination

[ebon temple]

i should be using vanish garrote on cd with deathmark correct?

[nocturne current]

yea

[dense herald]

Is KB actually only behind DTB in ST by like 0.4% now?

[polar matrix]

is the CoS ring good for us right now?

[fallen charm]

Has random procs always broken stealth?

I just noticed my undead racial breaking my stealth

I'm in stealth with a bleed on a dummy and it gets me out of it

That explains why I can never stay for too long in stealth after vanishin when we are wiping on a dg or raid

[trim zinc]

30mil dmg on the last boss

hype

[blissful crown]

solid

what was dps overall for that?

[trim zinc]

super bad lol, was like 1 and half hour lmao

[blissful crown]

I just mean the boss itself, just wanted to see the singletarget numbers

but i will specc over to assa from outlaw thats for sure, did 4 m+ last night in the 10s, and i just cant get outlaw to work for me, RtB tilts me 😄

[trim dirge]

with outlaw these days your rtb really does not matter much

sin is fun and viable in m+ tho

[blissful crown]

When playing the HO build, i just feel like im starving sometimes with bad rolls

Yeah seems so, i will go for that, just need to practice is a bit i guess

Long time ago i played sin, and with the new spells to use and so on

[frank stone]

whats the name of the neck with 3 sockets?

[balmy condor]

lariat

but all necks can have 3 sockets :P

[frank stone]

is it craftable?

oo

thanks

[balmy condor]

you just use medallion thingies

lariat is the crafted neck that's one of our best embellishments

[frank stone]

you are the best. I think i need to fix my gear lol

[sturdy egret]

Which embel goes on neck?

[feral rivet]

That was answered 2 posts above

[upper trail]

maybe a dumb question but which lethal poison do i use in KB build?

i assume amp?

[thorn crater]

yes ofc

u do talent into it after all

[upper trail]

yeah i figured lol thats why is aid dumb question.. just coming back to sin this expac

so wasnt sure

[atomic karma]

may i ask in dragontempered st

why only 1 garrote

is that no subturfuge

and what would it be with it

or do oyu never run it

with dragon

[weak horizon]

How do you guys handle the non IC pulls in m+? Like how do I know how many ruptures to put out vs. spamming CT/envenom?

[balmy condor]

if you have enough energy

you have enough ruptures

[balmy condor]

no shrouded = 1 garrote

[atomic karma]

yeah would you never run subturfuge with the dragontemp build?

unless m+

[balmy condor]

subterfuge is 0 dps

no reason to ever run it

[atomic karma]

oh im misunderstanding i think I thought needed it for multiple garots

but the improved garrote does that

[weak horizon]

How do you define enough energy? Does that mean never hitting 0? energy gen is directly linked to # of garotte + # of rupture, so is there a rough benchmark to how many I want up?

[balmy condor]

yes, enough energy to saturate and not starve

it's like 6ish

[weak horizon]

Gotcha, thank you

[atomic karma]

one more stupid questio

why not vanish prior to deathmark in opener

if rest of it you typically save for befroe deathmark

cause the starting s tealth one is already buffed?

and you vanish after cause you dont want to desync it TOO hard with deathmark?

[weak horizon]

So say it's a 3 target pull, i throw out 3 garrotes and then 3 ruptures, then at some point the 3 garrotes fall off and then I'm basically fucked energy generation wise right? It's kind of just throw out garrote as you can on cd and make do with lackluster energy gen for a bit?

I guess if I have vanish then pop it and throw some more garrotes out/IC with it too, right?

[topaz wolf]

Hey legends, followed the burst PVP build Whys put out on wowhead.
Believe I've grossly misgeared myself on the way up (411 PVP iLVL)

[weak horizon]

I just feel so fucking useless on sin in 2-4 target pulls and I want to figure out some optimizations

[oak sky]

@balmy condor kb build still takes exsang?

[tough gorge]

For only pure dagger rogues, ive been doing ST dragon assass for raids and AoE Sub build for mythic+. Thats what ive thought so far as best dps options, sound about right?

IC or DTB for AoE lags behind sub imo

[brittle burrow]

2 to 3 feels ok for me because I can manage to keep all debufs up.
On bigger pulls with a lot of little trash FoK and CT feels good too

[tough gorge]

Are you IC or DTB build?

[atomic karma]

the guides arent the clearest with amlunt of targets fanning

vs mutilate

[violet talon]

If I hit that point, I would just Thistle Tea, ER, and pop new ruptures on them all

[atomic karma]

amount of targets*

is it 2 or 3 targets start using fan

[balmy condor]

yah

[oak sky]

ok

ty :3

[weak horizon]

3

[weak horizon]

IC

[weak horizon]

Yeah, I've been increasingly thinking about going sub

But idk

[atomic karma]

and im misunderstanding a t ad with deathmark is it better to have a newer rupture on it or rupture duration doesnt matter at all

[weak horizon]

Doesn't matter much I think

[tall remnant]

Dumb question, which lethal poison do we use?

[oak sky]

amp if talented>deadly>instant for st

switch deadly and amp for aoe

[tall remnant]

Thanks, haven't looked at sin at all yet til now

[oak sky]

np

[atomic karma]

using meld then garrote is massive right

or does it not apply improved garrote

[oak sky]

it does

pretty solid gain, maybe not omega big though

[trim zinc]

Don't u have to meld stealth and garrote cuz it's not like vanish

[atomic karma]

i dont really get how it isnt that far ahead compared to most tbh

[real solar]

@gusty mirage hi

[gusty mirage]

[real solar]

love u

[gusty mirage]

you blessed me

with a trinket

[real solar]

WOT

[gusty mirage]

wait

[real solar]

the

[gusty mirage]

wrong screenshot

[real solar]

that's a ring

go to bed old man

[atomic karma]

that thing

[real solar]

why is ur gear so cracked

[atomic karma]

ios fucking bonkers in m+

[real solar]

i bet you have 4 piece

[atomic karma]

i see its like 2nd most dmg on a DH lol

[gusty mirage]

nope

not even 1 piece

we had 1 zenith token drop

and it went to our evoker

[real solar]

u suck, just rng harder

[gusty mirage]

we lfr gaming

[balmy condor]

Is vanish strong? Not really
Meld = vanish but only on trash
Is meld strong? Less than vanish

Meld = not really strong

[proper vortex]

Hey guys, sorry if im blind.. What stats are people crafting on the primal molten shortblade?

[rocky ruin]

why does the icy veins m+ build say not to take tricks

is it because we dont do any upfront damage and are all dots?

[balmy condor]

Crit mast

[balmy condor]

Just a choice in utility

Dont really matter

The top 3 rows of the class tree can be shuffled around

[proper vortex]

Thanks whisp!

[balmy condor]

As long as you pick up seal fate, deeper, and ER/RC

You can do whatever you want with the rest

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rocky ruin]

👍

[slender rapids]

What are u running for m+? all guides say different things

[thorn crater]

oh thank god

we still running exsang with KB though

[balmy condor]

Ic+kb, which every guide should have 🤨

What guide isnt saying that

[balmy condor]

Ye

Maybe

Probably

[thorn crater]

inadvertently further exsang nerf

[balmy condor]

Need the ER change to really know

[thorn crater]

love to see it

now to get it removed

[dense herald]

whisp that picture of the sims in pins, wheres that from?

[nocturne bough]

has bronze gripped wrappings been fixed?

[storm onyx]

ER was discussed a lot in design phase; and we had expressed the unpredictable nature of it puts it off for Assassination especially and thus it being it in class tree kind of no good for the spec. What made it work was the guaranteed charged CPs. I am kind of disappointed on the dev’s explanation of “execution/reward” after all the talk in the past tbh

[balmy condor]

Thats a local sim koji ran with the code changes for ER

The RC cp needed a change in simc

[rocky ruin]

how many targets do i switch to mutilate only in m+

[balmy condor]

2 for mut 3+ for fok

[dense herald]

is KB actually THAT close to DTB nowadays?

[thorn crater]

like i said love to see it

[balmy condor]

After the fatal concoction nerf yeah

KB builds didnt take it

[dense herald]

ooooft.

[balmy condor]

So fatal concoction nerf is just a dtb nerf

[thorn crater]

the day we get to a KB build with no exsang

is the day everything will be perfection

[balmy condor]

God bless amen

[proper vortex]

are you guys using ele chaos for raid?

[balmy condor]

Vers

[proper vortex]

oh damn

[balmy condor]

Ele chaos is fine

Theyre very close

[proper vortex]

I only brought glacial and ele chaos

ok ty

[balmy condor]

Vers just gives you like 1% damage reduction

So its better

[proper vortex]

ahh i see

[balmy condor]

[proper vortex]

thanks!

[open rapids]

Where do you get the mats to make the 418 dagger? Is that from mythic or 16+ keys?

[marsh fjord]

Guys what's the pandemic timer again on garrote and rup?

[gusty mirage]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[gusty mirage]

non-ER ruptures are 7.2s iirc

[gusty mirage]

ye they drop from mythic raid bosses and end of dungeon +16s or higher

[marsh fjord]

Sorry do we not refresh ER ruptures before that?

[dire copper]

Whats the best helm to make with spark?

[atomic karma]

what prepot

are people using

[ancient rain]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[marsh fjord]

So I'm looking at the ST opener with KB, I was wondering why so, the enchanced garrote even with a 7-second duration is better to DM on? then a full duration?

[balmy condor]

did you read this?

[marsh fjord]

Not yes

Thanks

yet*

[marsh fjord]

I do not fully understand it yet, but it is better to do it like that because it sync's them better together?

vanish and DM?

I just thought that a fully garrote would be more dps gain then a 7-10 second one

with DM

[balmy condor]

yeah but you overwrite the opener garrote

so you lose uptime in total

[marsh fjord]

But in the opener when exsan reduces the duration is exsan used before because of your bleeds tick faster and if you then press DM it's double the bleeds that tick faster?

that's why it's used before DM right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow bridge]

does Hekili work well for sin? if anyone has a configuration please let me know as I am in need of some help

[rocky ruin]

is there a way to get the Serrated Bone Spike to fall off of target dummies, im trying to practice and see my dps but its weird cause its always ticking and messing with my details

[drifting cosmos]

Go far

[rocky ruin]

with ST build dragon-tempered blades do I just spam envenom during CDs, while maintaining all dots

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

spam envenom is the entire build

[rocky ruin]

does the overlapping envenoms addon to the remaining buff or drop it down to whatever # u spent on it? so if I have a 6 combo point envenom and use a 4 point does it drop my buff?

[balmy condor]

it pandemics like a bleed would

[polar matrix]

@balmy condor bronze grip wrappings can be on the MH right?

[balmy condor]

always highest ilvl in your main hand

[polar matrix]

so you want to put it on the OH?

[balmy condor]

if it's not your highest ilvl dagger yes

[polar matrix]

well the issue i have is I've got 2 350 daggers and am going to craft a 405 one but i wanted to put the bronze hand grips on

[balmy condor]

okay

405 > 350 yes?

[polar matrix]

yeah

[balmy condor]

okay

and what did I just say about ilvl

[polar matrix]

put the 405 in the MH

[balmy condor]

there ya go

[polar matrix]

lol

[craggy nimbus]

I'm picturing Whispyr as the adult, sitting in the middle with all of us kids in a circle around him, answering questions and patting our heads when we get it right

[marsh fjord]

Does anyone have a improved garrote WA that works?

[thorn crater]

ure killin me 😛

[balmy condor]

sometimes I feel like a kindergarten teacher reading a picture book

[craggy nimbus]

Hey, that's me irl, for real^^
It's satisfying when the young ones listen and actually understands what I'm saying :>

[dull crypt]

I bet high school teachers look at you with a baffled face rn

[polar matrix]

super welcoming for new players

[balmy condor]

fun fact

class discords used to specifically avoid beginner questions and just tell people to read a guide

the channels were meant to be more of a high level discussion between rogue mains as an optimization

over time the class discords all evolved with more and more players joining

and now they're basically just mini-guides and google for new players who don't read guides

funny how it's flipped over the years

from "this isn't a help desk"

to "this is basically a help desk"

[polar matrix]

Well then my question was perfect right?

fits the new mold

[balmy condor]

some class discords in legion was straight up kicking people who asked basic guide questions

maplestory class discords still do

look at these savages

crazy

[craggy nimbus]

I feel like Whispyr should make a onlyfans account where we can support him privately. When/if we get a reply that really helps, we head on over and donate.

[balmy condor]

that's just paypal but I have to strip

[thorn crater]

ok so @balmy condor we take tiny toxic blade now as per the number 1 sin rogue in the world right

[balmy condor]

Kill me

[thorn crater]

but dude

its 500%

[polar matrix]

My question was less about the MH being the higher ilvl, more aimed at why the FAQ had bronze gripping specifically set as a 1.1% upgrade for the OH

[thorn crater]

more means more

[craggy nimbus]

Paypal is so outdated, we gotta keep up with the kids and go on onlyfans

[balmy condor]

Because theres a mythic dagger thats higher ilvl

So all the comparisons and dps gains

Are done by replacing the bis offhand

With a crafted offhand

Since using a crafted mainhand would be a dps loss because of the ilvl

[polar matrix]

Because of the mythic MH

[balmy condor]

Ye

[polar matrix]

yeah

that makes sense

[marsh fjord]

How do you guys track empowered Garrotes or do you just remind yourself that you don't refresh?

I'm looking everywhere for a improved Garrote WA but can't find any

[balmy condor]

I just remember that its empowered

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

I think luxthos tracks it

[marsh fjord]

You are such a chad that you just remember it

But i'm quite new to rogue so i'm like ughhh

[oak sky]

[craggy nimbus]

Doesn't Infexious wa do that aswell?
Think I'm still using parts of his old one but it might be someone elses.

[balmy condor]

Yah probably

[marsh fjord]

My small brain needs a reminder

XD

[craggy nimbus]

I had so many brainfarts last night when I tried the raid. Kept forgetting to refresh both garrote and rupture, missed windows and cd's and everything. Happens to the best of us 😪

[marsh fjord]

Sadge

[craggy nimbus]

Was just pugging normal, guild isn't starting to raid until early January^^

[marsh fjord]

Oh that uscks

Why jan?

[proper vortex]

Which bosses are you guys swapping into outlaw for raid?

[dark token]

None

I swap sub on primal council

[oak sky]

You can play any spec on any boss but notable ones that might be good to swap on are grimtotem and council

[dark token]

Probably sub on M dathea

[proper vortex]

Interesting, yeah i thought grim/council

[oak sky]

Sub is also really good though like soviet said

[dark token]

I haven't looked at M grimtotem yet

But heroic sin was perfectly fine

[blissful crown]

I use devlins WA, and when playing assa the CP bar turns blue when using the spell i cant remember and then it looks like an overlap in CP colors - either i’m blind or looking the wrong place cause i dont see it explained in hes WA’s

[oak sky]

Its pure 2t basically

[dark token]

One short 2t phase and mostly st

Ok outlaw makes sense there then

[craggy nimbus]

Was a mutual decision by most members. We're a bunch of old farts with kids and families so it tends to get hectic at work and home around Christmas and the 2-3 weeks before. Decided to have a small break over the holidays and come back fresh in the next year

[oak sky]

But like if you like sin you should still be comfortable on any boss basically

[dark token]

Even them I probably only play sin and sub until I get a non 382 weapon for outlaw

Cause 418 dagger vs 382 sword mainhand is too big a diff

[craggy nimbus]

I need to start farming m+ and stuff, getting jelly when I hear 405 and upwards on a dagger :>

But getting into pugs with low rating is a nightmare

[marsh fjord]

Gives you the time to prepare and smash bosses

[white lance]

hey! it's when you use echoing reprimand and land on an animacharged combo point, meaning if you use an offensive finisher it will count as if it was 7 combo points

[blissful crown]

Ok i gotta check that out and practice that on dummy - thanks for reply, and thanks for a great WA package

[dull crypt]

Make sure that the blue combo point is your last one and not just "in the row", might be a bit counterintuitive at first to use 2 point finishers etc

[sage zenith]

Hello guys, I'm gonna craft the lariat neck. Im playing outlaw and sin so what secondary stats do I use?

[robust dune]

Sorry I'm not good with English, can somebody explain me the mining of the "Big L", thanks

[balmy condor]

Means its a lot worse

[icy fox]

Here comes the nerffff

[craggy nimbus]

What nerf?

[icy fox]

Im like one day late but marginal nerf to all rogue specs

[craggy nimbus]

Ah yea, 3% across the board

Thought you found something new :>

[winter gale]

Crit Mastery on Lariat?

[native belfry]

which build is more viable in m+ now then? KB IC or DTB?

[balmy condor]

Kb IC

[balmy condor]

Yes

[raven vapor]

Whispyr, is there an updated version of your plater profile?

[balmy condor]

Of the one I uploaded a couple days ago?

Whats wrong with it

[raven vapor]

ah didn't see you uploaded a new one, can't seem to find it when i search your name on wago

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeh

wago.io/p/whispyr

[raven vapor]

awesome thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[raven vapor]

i'll bookmark that for future reference 🙂

[balmy condor]

I had someone say it has lua errors in m+ when target swapping

So uh

If your chat floods send me a dm so I can get that checked out

[raven vapor]

will do, i'll backup the old version just in case for now then

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen it once in like 20 keys

No clue why it happens

It doesn’t even break anything

It just gives errors in chat for no good reason and then continues to do its thing

Very weird stuff

[raven vapor]

yeah there's a lot of that going on with profiles at the moment

[feral wasp]

what is the cheapest way to craft ?

to do it with lowest quality and recraft later?

[craggy sierra]

So I'm doing like 50-70k overall in keys ATM. How much lower should I expect?

[balmy condor]

How much lower should you expect because…….

Idk what we’re comparing to

:/

Lower than outlaw?

[next edge]

I was about to say that

like, it depends a LOT on te key

how tank pulls

the key level...

[balmy condor]

I mean @craggy sierra was nice enough to give a range

But then they followed it up with “how much lower should I expect”

Like

Lower as we go up in key levels?

[next edge]

Maybe he refers to the nerf, ¿no?

like how much less he will be ding?

[craggy sierra]

The nerf

[craggy nimbus]

50-70k wtf

[balmy condor]

I mean

You could just read a fucking pin

Where I broke down the nerf

And then do some very simple math yourself

[craggy nimbus]

What ilvl and keys are you doing

[next edge]

I was about to say it in a more polite way

but I love Whispyr rants

[balmy condor]

Or I guess you could just have me sit here and go

[next edge]

[olive flame]

What's the go too potion for us?

[balmy condor]

“WELL FOUR PERCENT OF 50k IS 2k”

[next edge]

read the faq

[balmy condor]

Theres only one potion

[olive flame]

Ty!

[balmy condor]

Not a difficult choice

[next edge]

So I can do 10s after the 5% nerf????????

Btw Whispyr, after this ER change, I assume that the opener might see changes

or will just be a decision based on RNG you get from it

Or maybe postpone ER

[balmy condor]

Cba

ER change can lick my sweaty balls

Openers stay the same for non exsang

Good enough

How the fuck am I supposed to make the wowhead togglers take into consideration your combo points bro

Fuck this game

[subtle tundra]

idk

make a build without er

or without seal fate

ty

[balmy condor]

Yeah and then have people ask why theyre doing 15k less

Genius

[subtle tundra]

[next edge]

I guess you ER and if you re not lucky you muti

Tbh just nerf ER Dmg or w/E

but this combo point fucks so many things

[halcyon arch]

When in the opener should I use puzzle trinket? Pre-pull?

[balmy condor]

“Whispyr why’d you recommend this build its shit”
Opener consistent now, brainless chimps can make /castsequence macros for the first 20 seconds of a fight again cause instead of understanding why they push buttons they would rather just drool on their keyboards
“Okay but whats opener for shadow dance Mfd CT exsang kingsbane+IC in single target?”

[balmy condor]

Before Deathmark/exsang

[next edge]

you're a god blessing I Couldnt bare so many shit day by day

by people

[balmy condor]

The secret is i cant bare with it either

[plucky thistle]

Got [Primal Ritual Shell] 385 shoud i apply mastery buff or thatd dmg one?

as assa

[balmy condor]

Im Just stupid enough to wake up every morning and open discord

[balmy condor]

Fire

[plucky thistle]

Ty

[next edge]

I mean

the day they announced the nerfs

I was here for 5 mins and it was enough discord for 2 days

I just seek shelter in my sub channel where people handle stuff way better

[balmy condor]

The only people who play sub are like semi-boomers who just roll with it, or outcast zoomers who will OTP regardless

[next edge]

you're a sub main so which one of those are you

[echo geyser]

good day

[next edge]

I think i'm between of both

[balmy condor]

Im an outcast zoomer for sure

[median mango]

Hey guys just to make sure, I can add the 2 sockets to my elemental lariat before recrafting to higher ilvl right?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[quick ivy]

can anyone tell me why I did so bad on this fight https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1DyV3W9Ff4GAXhLn#fight=27&type=damage-done&source=22

[median mango]

thanks 🙂

[copper hazel]

you beat your other 2 rogue guildies, take the W

[quick ivy]

but how am I 23k dps below the top log

[copper hazel]

because your not as good, probably. Gear, pad, etc

[quick ivy]

all of his abilities did more damage in 4:30 than I did in 5:30

i casted garrote more times and did less damage

even my poisons are doing significantly less but my fights longer

15 casts of rupture, 200k damage less than his 14 casts

2 more casts of envenom, 600k less damage

[latent crown]

that crit me straight through my heart

[copper hazel]

your trinkets are pretty dog shit compared, can make some difference

[quick ivy]

it cant be the dif

how can more casts of an ability do so much less

feels like I have to be doing something fundamentally wrong

[spiral basalt]

small question, new to the game and im playing rogue assa, i saw in combos that we use garrot and some spells, do we use any more spells to get more cp or just the one listed ? sorry for approximate english

for example, in the kingsbane build, we use the spell for atk speed, then garrot then rupture

but rupture is at 1cp no ? isnt it pretty weak ? and he's recasting it after another spell that generates few cp, i don't get the point of casting rupture then another spell then again rupture

Ok nvm i tried and understood why

[slim hamlet]

Wait quick question

The Alchemist stones, is not an embellish unique equip right?

Thought it was but only shows as unique for alcheist stones

[balmy condor]

Correct

Alch stone is its own thing

[grim jay]

opening discord every day in whispyrs case is like those masochistic guys working in top of the line positions to get whipped out by a woman in a leather suit in their freetime

just that he has it all in one place

[verbal mantle]

[grim jay]

you know it hurts but you do it regardless, gotta embrace the pain

[marsh fjord]

After a day of doing weakaura's i finally finish outlaw & Sin Weakaura packs

[grim breach]

What's the interaction between Deathmark and Kingsbane? (if any) is it worth casting together normally, if they de-sync is it worth getting them back in sync? I am not seeing DM double kingsbane or anything, does it allow you to apply more poisons? Or is it just the fact that you want the shivs to be there for both

[grim jay]

feel you. but for me it somehow always is a WIP

[balmy condor]

Deathmark doubles poisons, kingsbane does more damage when you proc poisons

[marsh fjord]

@grim jay 1 to 10?

[balmy condor]

You sync them always

Everything on cd and they just line up

[grim breach]

So, you "apply" twice the amount of poisons during DM?

[balmy condor]

The shivs you hold for kb because kb cranks

[balmy condor]

Yup

[grim breach]

Right, makes sense then, thanks!

[grim jay]

I like the slim bars from a visual standpoint. do you have the combopoints responding to being overcharged?

[marsh fjord]

yeah look

i don't have the talent yet because i'm only level 60

But that's how it shows if you have ER

[grim jay]

looks pretty good. I'm a fan of not having too many things on there, just the stuff that I need. some people like to have it all on their

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i keep it very minimal

[balmy condor]

Green combo points

[marsh fjord]

Yes sir 🙂

[balmy condor]

[marsh fjord]

or miss

[marsh fjord]

It's because it's sin?

sin is posion

posion is green?

[balmy condor]

So are health bars

[marsh fjord]

Mine aren't

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean player frame health bar

My nameplates arent green either

Idk

[marsh fjord]

Mine is black

[balmy condor]

Green cp feels like some sort of forbidden tech

[grim jay]

I've always used red CP bcs they always were red tbf and overcharged is blue

[marsh fjord]

I'm sorry, i will do as your command

hahaha

[balmy condor]

Yeah thats normal people colors

[balmy condor]

Nah if it makes you happy go for it

But like

Green cp

[marsh fjord]

YES I"M NOT CLASSIFIED AS NORMAL ANYMORE

[balmy condor]

[marsh fjord]

WOOHOOO

[grim jay]

they have different colors in luxthos wa pack aswell I think x)

[marsh fjord]

I'm special

This is my outlaw aura

[balmy condor]

Luxthos wa always makes me puke I think its hideous tbh

Like its a great pack

[balmy condor]

But visually good god

[marsh fjord]

Do you like this more whisp?

[raven mica]

It’s a lot on the screen but like

It tracks a lot of things

[grim jay]

I think luxthos is a great pack to get baseline and work on it to fit your needs if you dont want to start from scratch

[balmy condor]

The cp are white because outlaw = swords and swords are white?

[marsh fjord]

hahahahahah y

[marsh fjord]

That's the only thing i'm tracking on my screen

So it's not a lot really

[raven mica]

Talking about the luxthos pack

[grim jay]

[marsh fjord]

ooh

[raven mica]

For other classes

[marsh fjord]

lmao

[raven mica]

Like in bfa I had the worst time tracking festermight

And the luxthos pack in df lets me really easily track icy talons/festermight/plaguebringer

[grim jay]

I dont even know what I use for my dk. its been a week!

😄

[balmy condor]

I like his packs cause I can steal the custom code