assassination

[dense cedar]

unless im dumb and u can get a haste gem that procs mastery or something

where is this from wcl

[fathom arrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#difficulty=3

this one

[limpid ermine]

are you asking if the percentiles are correct?

[fathom arrow]

yes

[limpid ermine]

Yes they are at the moment

[fathom arrow]

ohh

[dense cedar]

I will say sin rogue parses are quite

limited rn

compared to some specs

[fathom arrow]

i would love to learn rogue so badly in dragonflight but unsure what spec are the easyest to level with from 1-70 also raiding spec thinking to mostly focus on raiding

[limpid ermine]

Yeah and people are still getting tier/etc.

[dense cedar]

sin rogue is in the bottom quarter of logged specs

[fathom arrow]

sin = assasination ?

[dense cedar]

yes

ass rogue

if u prefer

[limpid ermine]

Love me some ass rogue

[fathom arrow]

what spec would you recomend for a noob rogue like me to level and raid as ?

[limpid ermine]

I would play outlaw if you are leveling and in my opinion, probably the easiest

[fathom arrow]

ok

[merry raven]

can someone explain why I keep seeing guides say to use vanish after marked for death? I'm not seeing the purpose

[dense cedar]

guides shouldn't be recommending MfD

you're reading bad guides

unless this is some kinda PvP question

[limpid ermine]

all the specs are fun tbf in their own right

[merry raven]

meant deathmark

[dense cedar]

ah

[merry raven]

silly similar names

[dense cedar]

Empowered garrote duration

[fathom arrow]

do the rogue spec look stronger with 2 and 4 set bonus ?

[rocky ruin]

assuming im attacking an 8 target pack, after i open with Indiscriminate carnage and dot with both abilities, how far into the timer of those garrotes do i start reapplying the weaker version? m+ build from icy veins

[merry raven]

oh so you deathmark and then garrote? i thought you applied bleeds first and then did deathmark

[gloomy lake]

I agree but I have that and the cct trink so I do with what I got lol

[dense cedar]

well

the first garrote should be running out soon

and then future DMs

you will wanna ahve empowered garrote up for DM

and only way you will get it again is with Vanish

[gloomy lake]

Your first garrote will have like 8s left so you vanish soon after and pandemic the empowered one

[gusty mirage]

I felt your pain

[merry raven]

i see

[subtle tundra]

like the

[unique sorrel]

I’m fairly sure you let empowered garrote fall off before you reapply non-buffed garrotes

[subtle tundra]

uh

[gusty mirage]

I felt your pain so hard I used a horn of valor at 376 even though it was a 2k dps loss

[subtle tundra]

assa

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

ummm ic garrote

with ah

ct go with rupture

BOOOOOOOOOM

[dense cedar]

CT fun

I played CT on BFA release

good times for like

1 week

[gloomy lake]

CT was great even on ST in BFA because I had static 83% haste

Expedient III OP

[dense cedar]

ur talking about the cursed times

we don't speak of those

[gloomy lake]

I love the cursed times

[dense cedar]

still out there wearing ur twitching eyeball I bet

[gloomy lake]

You cast garrote on 3 targets in M+ and do 100k dps even if you AFKd

And I miss haste build with galecallers

[dense cedar]

I remember when haste did nothing

horrible glorious times

[gloomy lake]

Shit I've played sin since BC I remember everything lol

The best of times the worst of times

[thorn crater]

uhm

why is mastery haste gem on lariat simming better than main stat mast?

[dense cedar]

you get 3 gems

[gloomy lake]

Depends on your great

Gear*

[thorn crater]

shouldnt more agi>>> anything else?

and evne then agi haste> agi mast

[dense cedar]

so in all 3 slots

it doesn't want an agi gem?

bizzare

idk bout that

can ask a tc I guess

[subtle tundra]

they are very much unique equipped

the epic ones

[gloomy lake]

I do as the sim guides

[dense cedar]

i am also unique equipped

[thorn crater]

i mean still

shouldnmt mast crit be higher

though agi haste is only 20 dps under mast haste XD

[pale plank]

When u r playing the KB+IC build and the tank is only pulling one pack at a time

[thorn crater]

ok so im confused

u equip one epic gem and 2 blue ones?

[lapis mirage]

guys

how do I play assa in keys

[gentle roost]

Carefully

[lapis mirage]

ait. thanks

[lusty surge]

IC and focus prio is how I've been doing it

Feels pretty good

[teal bloom]

Maintain bleeds on enemies+keep slice and dice active by occasionally pressing envenom

[quaint dragon]

i just got hard flamed by monk for playing assa in m+

[dense cedar]

what key?

[quaint dragon]

HoV

[dense cedar]

how high?

[quaint dragon]

16

[dense cedar]

??

who cares

[quaint dragon]

exactly

can i do normal primal infusion and recraft later with enchanced?

[kindred rapids]

We're falling in the tier lists 😔

[celest helm]

Fuckem

[royal lantern]

tier lists

[quaint dragon]

!whysîr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

wdym, tier lists are great

[novel arrow]

Echo is going to be the most geared World #2 guild this tier.

Because mythic has yet to see an echo player.

[subtle tundra]

what

[lapis mirage]

Ic or kingsbane m+ build. what do yall recommend?

[subtle tundra]

liquid is on 4th boss, the first 3 bosses are free af

they will catch up so fast

[radiant shadow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[thorn crater]

if i recraft wrappings over fang is there a chance the dagger drops in rank?

[slim hamlet]

With the new buffs to shield amount on rasz mythic I 100% believe echo doing so many splits + m+ is a very good decision too

Cant wait for mythic tomorrow

Surely

[novel arrow]

they are doing M+ atm

......

[celest helm]

What

You run both

#assassination-faq

[thorn crater]

@marble hemlock any chance ure online for some lil recrafting XD only if ure not busy ofc

[gentle roost]

Why do we want crafter wep in off hand and not main?

If it’s our highest ilvl we should use in main right?

[fallen sandal]

U use the same weap in assa

So if you dont have better ilvl u put crafted in mail

Main hand

Otherwise best ilvl in main

[fair marsh]

how much haste do u guys rock with

i got 28% crit and 54% mastery but i feel like i cant enough abilities off to make it worth it

4% haste

[balmy condor]

Sounds good to me

[violet jackal]

I have also been catching fire in M+ for not being outlaw 😡

[slim hamlet]

Still topping meters in m+ tho

Besides pesky ww monk

[mental wing]

I Play assa in raid and sub for m+ works well

[oblique jackal]

I do the same ^

[slim hamlet]

That was what I wanted to do

But cba

Sin is more fun and very close in dmg

when im the one playing it

[mental wing]

And sub for council. Can compete with outlol

[oblique jackal]

Sin is goood on council

[slim hamlet]

Bertter than expected

[vestal wren]

all 3 seem good in raid

best is to decide on your fav. flavour of tea

[mental wing]

Y im better with sub in aoe. Just prefer it. But that’s a decision you can do by what you like to play in different situations. All specs work well

Oh fuu Said it

[oblique jackal]

Agreed! Rogue has the best developers

[lucid nexus]

Hi, do you know some blacksmith able to craft primal molten shortblade with diamond quality ?

[slim hamlet]

is work orders own realm only?

[kindred rapids]

Outlaw feels more fun to me now but sin always feels like the more reliable prog spec

And sin blasts razzy shields

[lucid nexus]

idk

[kindred rapids]

Even if it sucks on the add phases

[opaque fable]

how good is manic grieftorch ?

[dense cedar]

extremely

[opaque fable]

best one the raid can drop ?

[slim hamlet]

Best one in the game

and its kinda not close

[sand elm]

for us manic and technique are our 2 bis afaik

[opaque fable]

gotchu ty guys ❤️

[rapid patio]

hello guys, i have a question

im only doing m+ and im not pretty sure which build to use

[dense cedar]

preferrence

[slim hamlet]

Best when used correctly is KB + IC build

[sand elm]

either the DTB dungeon or KB/IC builds work

ur preference

[slim hamlet]

But DTB build is a much easier build if you jsut wanna chill and blast

[sand elm]

dtb has more st damage and a bit weaker aoe, but IC pumps aoe and has less st

[slim hamlet]

Is how i see it

[slim hamlet]

But

KB

[sand elm]

fair point

[slim hamlet]

Muh prio dmg

[thorny pond]

"I'm here to chew bubblegum and fuck and I'm all outta gum" - KB enjoyers

[slim hamlet]

The worst thing is that kb + ic doesnt have pb in my opinion, i love pb

[slim hamlet]

Ahah lovely quote

There is a danish quote much like it

[thorny pond]

enlighten

[rapid patio]

thanks guys

[slim hamlet]

"I came here to drink milkshake and fuck ladies, and I'm almost done with my milkshake"

Was in live tv

Pretty epic

[onyx loom]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorny pond]

I wish we had better content in the states

[low flint]

boyz, anyone has a stream link for assa rogue m+ gameplay? idc if farming +2 keys, i just would like to see some

[gusty mirage]

yes

[upper trail]

Im a long time sin rogue.. this xpac been playing outlaw.. Sin still competitive tho from I can see?

[thorny pond]

Perhaps the best spec tbf

[upper trail]

Sin? in both M+ & raid content? I always remember having a tough time in m+ with Sin specifically with trash boss DPS was never an issue

is it better with talents now?

[toxic ocean]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorny pond]

If you aren't pushing bleeding edge, it is still good in M+. Outlaw and Sub have some strengths there that it lacks

But more than makes up for in being a single target machine gun

[upper trail]

Kingbane in M+ or IC?

i guess it depends if fortified or Tyranical week?

[thorny pond]

Both

[upper trail]

ahh abandon the middle of the tree and do both sides

[thorny pond]

#assassination-faq

[royal lantern]

kb+ic imo has more m+ value

but like

im not a bigbrain m+ genius, so take my opinion not for 100%

[gentle roost]

Kb+ic is good because if you can take down a target before it’s a threat it’s so much easier

[spice spire]

Thing is.
You can be presented with the facts, and (no meme meant) skill issue determines it’s not in sofo a gain. I ran Necrolord in raid because my brain couldn’t process flag windows while doing call outs. So my numbers were higher on a suboptimal build.

In the end, the facts and builds can be presented to you, but you’ll have to draw your own conclusions. Which is why there is often not a definite answer attached to these things

[sullen ember]

whats the preferred craft after Elemental Lariat?

[dense cedar]

dagger + bronze grip

[subtle tundra]

thing is

kb+ic is really good

assa is really strong

🙂

[marble hemlock]

thats true. whats the best pet?

[frank stone]

Kb+ic makes me stressed

[spice spire]

George?

[spice spire]

Why?

[marble hemlock]

not getting the reference

[dense cedar]

DTB is M+ is more work

[frank stone]

Sometimes I hold IC because the pack is too small and I’m hoping the tank pulls more but they never do

[sand elm]

its very possible to perform better with a suboptimal build/spec that ur good at than to try and play the meta/optimal build/spec ur bad at

[frank stone]

Or they pull after I press IC

[royal lantern]

best pet for the dps, and also pvp i wanna stomp rogues?

[sand elm]

its not uncommon, people just dont do it cos they thing meta = best even if theyre terrible at it

[marble hemlock]

[frank stone]

I want to try DTB in m+

Maybe it no make brain go burr

[marble hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvvNGeHHME

i was referring to this

[spice spire]

That’s fair. A CD oriented build, deciding when to use is hard.

It’s either that or doing the tab n stab decision making in DTB

[frank stone]

That’s one of my biggest weakness tbh rn. Deciding when to spread more bleeds or just envenom

[spice spire]

I can say I’ve never seen this

Holy heck

Both have unique challenges to them

[marble hemlock]

travesty

[spice spire]

Which by default makes them cool

(M+ builds)

(My opinion is superior )

[exotic parcel]

did anyone get that necklace with the 3 sockets and the passive?

[royal lantern]

i gues most people here?

[exotic parcel]

what is the name again?

[royal lantern]

elemental lariat

[exotic parcel]

couldn't find it and i want to get it made

cheers

Whats the highest lvl you can make it atm, 405?

[upper trail]

oh yeah i agree 100% that playing a meta build sub-optimally is probably worse than playing a build you can play well. Unless that meta build is absolutely broken.

like ive always hated shadow dance and then they worked it into outlaw and its taking me a really long time to muscle memory it into a rotation

[gusty mirage]

ye

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[zinc inlet]

on deathmark do i reapply garrote and rupture before it goes out?

[dense cedar]

reapply rupture in pandemic and only hard reapply garrote with improved

[slim hamlet]

Doesnt matter

Deathmark only does something while deathmark is on

[zinc inlet]

so after opener i just let my garrote run out insted of reapply it?

[slim hamlet]

There is no snapshotting besides exsang in the game

[zinc inlet]

ah

ok then i can try improve my parse a bit more, i been reapplying garrote and rupture just before deathmark vanish, i thout it still gave double value as long i used it before it expired

[slim hamlet]

Nope

[flint ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[slim hamlet]

Only snapshot is exsang

on sin rogue at least

[zinc inlet]

yeah ok

[zinc inlet]

love u guys, went up to 90% ilev parse there on as a noobie in the raid. helped to not screw up with the deathmark

[royal lantern]

you got this pal

[oblique wasp]

hi everyone I have quick question - I have algethar puzzle box when do I pop it, considering the casting time etc?

[trim zinc]

before dm

[oblique wasp]

oki

question to my fellow sis - what are your overalls in M+ lately?

[smoky phoenix]

For heroid council should i go the mythic + dtb build?

[drifting cosmos]

Key lvl? I mean it largely depends on your comp and routing

[oblique wasp]

I give my example - +12 algethar academy I had overall 63.0 K

[smoky phoenix]

OR is the KB+IC the way to go there?

[subtle tundra]

ALWAYS KB IC

[grim tangle]

sub is the way to go for council

[subtle tundra]

WRONG

[smoky phoenix]

Yeah but i dont wanna learn a diff spec for it, i think kb ic sounds good tbh

Huge 30s burst swells seems nuts

[sick aspen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

i hate my life

[lethal heart]

you dont know what it means to hate your life unless you play storms boon

[subtle tundra]

so guys how are you

[trim zinc]

I'm fine varas

[smoky phoenix]

im doing good, learning a lot which is cool

[slim hamlet]

Look at wowhead guide for council for sin

There is a completely different build for council which seemed crisp for me at least

[oak sky]

trinket is actually painful

[smoky phoenix]

ohh?

[slim hamlet]

And seems like everyone is basically using it on logs

[smoky phoenix]

kk leme go look actually ty for info

[spice spire]

You’re right, at least puzzlebox does damage for it’s time

[teal bloom]

I played like shit and forgot to press cooldowns on normal primal council but managed to parse 99 KEKW

[bold lodge]

yeah puzzlebox is insane but at the same time casting a trinket feels like shit

[echo geyser]

how much u guys simming for

if u are above 390-395

@subtle tundra are u geared boi

[subtle tundra]

yes

but i dont sim

[echo geyser]

u just a feelycrafter nowadays?

[earnest imp]

Anyone got a build to share they had success with on hc/myth council as assasin?

[faint sinew]

64k st

[echo geyser]

so outlaw def behind then

i wonder if i need to setup assa

[faint gull]

Any ideas for what the % difference between raid execute and sustain builds is?

[slim hamlet]

here

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[faint gull]

thanks!

[echo geyser]

i mean if i had a wep its not super far behind

but maybe sin with 418 would be doing 69k

[grim tangle]

I'm at 66k

[echo geyser]

whats ur ilvl

[grim tangle]

393

[turbid sandal]

Maybe silly question, but should I Vanish - Garrote - Deathmark, or Vanish - Deathmark - Garrote? Or does it not matter?

[echo geyser]

i see

[balmy condor]

dm vanish gar

[turbid sandal]

Thank you 🙂

[umbral rapids]

that's to make sure you duplicate a full duration garrote yeah?

[balmy condor]

ye but mostly if you're running shrouded

you get more cp

[umbral rapids]

So ?

[balmy condor]

well more cp good

[umbral rapids]

yeah but you get the CP either way?

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

or do you get CP for the duplicated garrote?

[balmy condor]

I mean if you vanish dm gar

you get 5 cp

and finish

if you dm vanish gar you get 5cp

and finish

and then gar again

so you finish again

[umbral rapids]

there's something i'm missing

[umbral rapids]

why 5?

[balmy condor]

1 from gar 2 from shrouded, 2 from duplicate shrouded

[umbral rapids]

there's something basic i odn't know i feel like

ok so you get cp from duplicated gar

that's what i was missing :)

[balmy condor]

you don't

[thorn crater]

is this new? which build?

[balmy condor]

you only get cp from shrouded

[umbral rapids]

yeah ok

[thorn crater]

is thsi for the DTB build?

[balmy condor]

it's just shrouded

[thorn crater]

i guess without exsang

to still sync those two

[dense cedar]

[cosmic socket]

Hey Does the Quality of the embellishment affect how much damage it does on the Crafted dagger ?

[umbral rapids]

so ideally you want to always dm-vanish-gar-rup?

[dense cedar]

no

alredy have rupture going

[umbral rapids]

sure

[thorn crater]

again, this is no exsang right

[umbral rapids]

no

idk what exsang changes anyway

[obsidian beacon]

for the m+ kb + carnage build, is exsang best used on prio targets / bosses?

[umbral rapids]

would it copy it full duration or just copy current remaining duration?

[dense cedar]

DM just dynamically updates with current bleeds

duration irrelevant

[smoky phoenix]

you dont need to apply bleeds aFTER deathmark i dont believe

[umbral rapids]

so whatever duration is on my current bleed is gonna deathmark's bleed duration?

(this is probably really stupid but i didn't look into sin till yesterday )

[ruby lotus]

the bleeds aare duplicated while DM is active when DM is over the duplicated bleeds fall they dont finish their duration. So the rupture timer is irrelevant as long as it lasts the entire DM length

[umbral rapids]

oh i see

that makes sense :)

[warm zenith]

what's the rotation for AOE once rupture and garrote end? asuming ID is on CD

[ruby lotus]

FoK and CT over 6 targets or envenom under 6 i think. in terms of keeping bleeds up IDK if their is a magic number, kinda what youre comfortable with but wouldn't think more then 2-3 targets?

[zinc inlet]

Mythic+: Dragon-Tempered Blades is the m+ to go for atm?

[ruby lotus]

They both are good the KB + IC build brings a aoe silence which is really nice

but technically yes DTB is better

for dmg

[zinc inlet]

k

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch gear check

or are u dk mainer

[subtle tundra]

2nd boss DOWN

[ebon notch]

warr

have 4 set

getting 418 crafted weapon tomorrow

[echo geyser]

why are u guys trying so hard on 20s

[merry raven]

should i be going for max combo points on envenom? especially on single target i feel like i'm waiting for an entire garrote duration just to get 3 mutilates in because i have no energy

[echo geyser]

when u can just get gear first

then smash it

[subtle tundra]

all dungeons but cos and shadowmoon are so hard

[slim hamlet]

shadowmoon is bed time

[subtle tundra]

freest key

[languid totem]

No… unless playing with deeper stratagem or something, you don’t want to overcap CP’s. So 3 mutilates with 0 crits would already overcap.

[gentle roost]

got whetstone 😎

[merry raven]

I do have strategem currently, should I not? also possible my poisons are jsut not applying reliably so venemous wounds ist actually kicking in

[ebon notch]

shadowmoon is the easiest i heard

my friend timed a 21 already

[subtle tundra]

exactly what i said

[ebon notch]

oh

[balmy condor]

finish at 5 with deeper

[ebon notch]

i swapped it around

in my head

gn

[subtle tundra]

i still have like an hour

of this key

i HOPE

[ebon notch]

kek

hf

i just started tanking on my warr

instead of playing with guardian

made keys 10x easier

[merry raven]

in any case i guess its ok to use finishers at less than max points. seems like they all do the same damage per point so its really just a question of if one more builder is worth the gcd?

[balmy condor]

thats why you finish on 5

[merry raven]

yeah, starting to put the pieces together. im coming from playing 2h frost since forever so its not natural for me to need more then 3 brain cells

[ebon notch]

Frost needs decent brain cells when coming to the end of breath

[merry raven]

2h doesnt use breath

i just press obliterate

[ebon notch]

Oh no

[oblique tangle]

I can do a 3 star take it or leave it

[cerulean nest]

that JC trinket mean anything to us?

[topaz valley]

Which stats do I put on lariat if I still want to play some outlaw ? I guess crit gems so I have crit procs in both specs ? And crit mast or crit vers stats for the missive ?

[subtle tundra]

BOOGY DOWN

[heavy coral]

that's the most cursed thing i saw this week

[teal bloom]

"Weekly no leavers" 😄

[outer cairn]

Least you finished.

[dark token]

You finished this how tf

[outer cairn]

Lariat only procs the secondary stat on the gems.

[subtle tundra]

not yet

[dark token]

Last boss was disgusting even in 17

[subtle tundra]

thats where we are

[dark token]

Do u have 2 ranged dps or nah

If not ur doomed

[outer cairn]

Yeah that boss is cancer. Go kill thing all the way over there, but if you walk towards it, you slow down.

[subtle tundra]

assa and outlaw

[dark token]

I spent 1.5h on last boss it's doomer

O ur so doomed

[subtle tundra]

no way

[dark token]

2nd boss also insane

[outer cairn]

God speed stinky

[subtle tundra]

thats a double healer angle

and you fight it for 6 min

[dark token]

Pretty soon ur gonna be on that Koreans stream

[subtle tundra]

25%

its doable

[twilit python]

my guildies tried to a 20 ruby life pool

[subtle tundra]

you can do that

[twilit python]

spent like 1-2 hours and gave up on second boss

[subtle tundra]

easily

[twilit python]

rlly

[subtle tundra]

you play 2 healers

[dark token]

This about to be you

[subtle tundra]

on all bosses

[dark token]

You made it past 1st boss?

Damn

[twilit python]

true i guess

yeah these dungeons are cursed

other than shadowmoon

[dark token]

Cos is free

With a hard last boss but ye

[undone eagle]

Guys, regarding simming, if im raiding most likely, what talents am i going for?

or do i seperate my items for single target / aoe raid fights?

[spice spire]

Whichever sims higher (you can compare in “top gear”)

You have many combos you can test

[undone eagle]

I mean, im just curious about what talents i need to choose, is it going to suggest in top gear?

[balmy condor]

if you sim it

or you could just use the faq builds

[undone eagle]

in this case i got a world drop, but im most likely a raider, so idk what to go for haha

aight ill check it out

[balmy condor]

if you're raiding you would use the single target trees

[undone eagle]

Single target, right, thanks

This one i suppose 😛

[balmy condor]

that one or the DTB one

DTB probably easier

[undone eagle]

Yes, cheers

[subtle tundra]

actually very exciting ending

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice spire]

We run agane

[topaz valley]

@subtle tundra do you run KB IC faq build ?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[topaz valley]

Which lariat stats/gems do you got ? 🤔

[subtle tundra]

this will beat even more 20s tomorrow

[signal pier]

sophic devotion enchant is only for the rich

[kind talon]

which 17/18 did u get

any cosers

[teal iris]

how did you craft 418 already?

did it drop in m+?

[earnest remnant]

+16s drop the mythic infusion mats

[teal iris]

guaranteed?

[earnest remnant]

yes

you just need to do 10 +16s and then use 150 chaos to create it

[teal iris]

aah

[gentle roost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

19 ruby

we had 1 18 ruby and 2 19 ruby today

literally the way to do 20 is 2 chest any 16, get 18 cos/burial, 2 chest it and then get 20 of the other one

for any non sweat full meta comp

[kind talon]

yeah i mean did u get a 18 cos/burial

but i honestly think like

if the 20 is an Academy, Ruby or Temple depending on what ur playing the bosses are literally impossible

💀

[subtle tundra]

Yea

We also play first time healer and tank players

[naive lagoon]

my mastery is ridiculously high (34%). is there a cap or the higher the better?

[subtle tundra]

To the moon

[spice spire]

No caps, just sim what’s best

[subtle tundra]

And 34 isn't ridiculous

[spice spire]

Inb4 nerfs so bad

[obtuse latch]

any idea how hard this resounding clarity nerf hits?

[subtle tundra]

I take that nerf

[fallen raven]

seems like a pretty light touch overall

[next edge]

oh

so 3% aura nerf

lmao

[grave gazelle]

Goodbye 3rd animacharged combo point

[red tinsel]

Blizzard hates rogues??

[spice spire]

Legit hate this

I know multiple are parodies

But damn

[red tinsel]

I wonder which animacharged point is going away though, the 2cp?

[spice spire]

You know people gonna roll in here with it as a serious question

[minor gate]

Might be random

[obtuse latch]

random id imagine

[spice spire]

I read that too. But I’m also stupid. Could be random

[obtuse latch]

Honestly 3% still leaves sin near the top im pretty sure

[raw raft]

Arms warrior buffed btw

[spice spire]

Yeah it does

[next edge]

Arms warrior

was really bad

lma

[spice spire]

Yeah arms legit garbage rn

Like

Kit stinky, damage stinky

[red tinsel]

ER is prob the change that's most likely to impact

[raw raft]

Damage is not stinky on that spec

[wraith spire]

???

[spice spire]

I mean it’s the only change. Everything else is just 3% less

[spice spire]

You’re lit my friend

[grizzled jay]

500% damage buff

LMAO

[wraith spire]

are you talking about pve lmao

arms is cursed until .5

[spice spire]

This isn’t a warlock channel sir

[red tinsel]

Fatal Concoction changes things for DTB though?

[spice spire]

Anti lock propaganda belongs in #off-topic

(I will participate)

[kind talon]

Didn’t they nerf poisons

[red tinsel]

Fury set seems a bit too much though, we haven't even see much of the set live, it can be pretty brutal

[red tinsel]

They nerfed fatal concoctions yeah

[spice spire]

Fury 4 set was about 1/4 as powerful as our 2set

[empty hinge]

is it panic time

[red tinsel]

But for PvP sounds like Deathmark got hit hugely

[spice spire]

[rotund wagon]

where are notes?

[red tinsel]

Yeah Fury base dps is also pretty damn strong by itself already

[red tinsel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-on-the-weekly-reset-buffs-and-nerfs-to-many-specs-330595

[exotic parcel]

So how bad is the 3% nerf you guys think?

[rotund wagon]

ty

[kind talon]

About 3%

Dps loss

[spice spire]

A little less than 3%

[next edge]

Depending on ER change

it might fuck up the opener

no?

[spice spire]

Didn’t nerf autos buddy. Get woke

[red tinsel]

Not bad tbh, pvp is worse. ER and Fatal is bigger tbh

[next edge]

a 3% dps loss

[kind talon]

True also enchants and phial and trinkets

I’m actually brain dead

!!!!

[spice spire]

Yeah so it’s legit less than that.
The other stuff may effect, and will. But let’s be real.

This was a very light hit across the boards

[kind talon]

Fatal concoction doe

But yeah true

Better 3% than 30

[red tinsel]

I wonder if this changed anything especially to DTB

[royal lantern]

the ER change seems somehwat short sighted imo, like, it will make using ER just feel more bad again

[spice spire]

Rogue was eating good

[grizzled jay]

this was a nerf to simply close the gap between Rogue and other classes, not cause Rogue to be usurped.

[gusty mirage]

oh I know

[grizzled jay]

Though MM may rise to be best overall spec this tier with the slight hit. It's already pretty competitive.

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

Probably still will be eating too good

[gusty mirage]

you got something to say bud?

[red tinsel]

They're just making our capstones worse and worse. ER was 3 animacharged points for so long...

[strange python]

Back to KB

[next edge]

3% nerf too tho

[red tinsel]

I didn't even like ER as a capstone though

[kind talon]

Nah man love u

[exotic parcel]

Why can't we be at the top 😭

[gusty mirage]

we are?

hello?

[next edge]

Bro

[sharp zodiac]

We still will be

[grizzled jay]

their aoe slaps hard though

[gusty mirage]

by a large margin?

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

hello?

[exotic parcel]

I'm joking lmao

[next edge]

its a fkng 3% nerf

[spice spire]

We almost certainly still are ain’t no way

[royal lantern]

dude, you saw HOW HIGH rogue was at the top right

[exotic parcel]

hahahahaha

[spice spire]

God damn

[royal lantern]

and people go full doomer

[gusty mirage]

don't make me put this bitch in slowmode

you degens

[spice spire]

I hate this place

[next edge]

I was expecting Uldir 2.0

tbh

this is just a scratch

[spice spire]

Mio did this

[exotic parcel]

aaah gottem

[empty hinge]

@spice spire hi king

[next edge]

of what could it be

[spice spire]

Rat moment

[grizzled jay]

this is why #subtlety is the better channel

[spice spire]

Greetings

[grizzled jay]

we bing chillin there

[next edge]

Tbh this is the worst time to be here

best of wish oxi and quake

[midnight mist]

hello oxi

[next edge]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

okay then go back

[tacit otter]

old boomers already asleep lol

[royal lantern]

my only real concern is that the ER change seems stupid cus you cant gurantee a 2cp ER now, but like, the rest it 300% justified lol

[spice spire]

As an assassin one trick, how do you feel about these nerfs mister Zac?

[royal lantern]

i feel 3% weaker

[spice spire]

Didn’t know they nerfed white hits too 🤨

[exotic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/doomer-doomer-sad-depressed-gif-15543940

The good times are over lads

#Deadspec

[agile geode]

Wat

[gusty mirage]

hello @midnight mist

[tacit otter]

please let varas be the only doomer ty

[royal lantern]

did somone allready spam ping whispyr with FIX SIMS WE GOT AN UPDATE, ITS 10MIN OLD AND YOU DIDNT UPDATE YET????

[exotic parcel]

lmao

[agile geode]

😂

[exotic parcel]

Fix sim SMOrc

[gloomy knoll]

omg rogue dead everybody abandon ship

[final star]

[balmy condor]

Roughly 5% nerf it’s fine sin is still good

3% aura
1% from FC on DTB builds
1%ish from the RC nerf

We’re on slow mode until the crying stops. If you’re this angry over a video game maybe take the 10 minutes to re-evaluate your priorities and focus on constructive and productive messages, rather than creating incoherent noise in the form of your unfettered rage. It’s a Friday night and the moderators have lives too, spending it in here telling people to stop whining isn’t it.

[final star]

Hey @gusty mirage

[exotic parcel]

time to reroll boys

[umbral rapids]

sheesh you're not in slow mode yet ?

[spice spire]

Arms warrior mega buff I’m already on the way

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpsons-end-of-the-world-end-is-near-gif-16593998

[balmy condor]

We’ll see how the next hour goes

[gloomy knoll]

all ranged got adjusted so they can be stacked and do the most dam

[spice spire]

Lemme check outlaw rq

[umbral rapids]

thoughts and prayers

[royal lantern]

but man, not having a guranteed 7cp rupture on the opener will suck HARD

[gloomy knoll]

just play fire mage the protagonist

[dawn kelp]

IS IT DEAD?

[balmy condor]

Naughty little doomsayers get slow moded

[gloomy knoll]

super dead

[umbral rapids]

mainly mad build diversity gets shafted

[spice spire]

That’s valid

[royal lantern]

+the casual 500%dmg buff to an warlock ability is a real warlock moment

[empty hinge]

ig KB exsa gonna better than dtb no exsa

[spice spire]

#off-topic for warlock propaganda

[turbid sandal]

Seems to me, they like the balance between all rogue specs and don't want to tip that balance. So a - mostly - universal nerf that isn't going to see us at the bottom of any list

[abstract junco]

That 30% DM nerf in PvP though, whoooooooooooof boy, sophisticated balancing at its finest

[arctic bobcat]

with dtb in rotation, do you want to use vanish before or after deathmark?

[final star]

It'll always come off CD after deathmark

[ebon bramble]

i like how arcane didnt get touched at all

[final star]

Cos they are both two mins

And you use it after deathmark in opener

[arctic bobcat]

ok so just keep it in that order

thanks

[royal lantern]

litearlly the first balance change, chill

[arctic bobcat]

feel like i read somewhere to do vanish garrote first but couldnt understand why since youd need to garrote again once DM was up

[dark bridge]

arcane got their trinket nerfed

[ebon bramble]

here's to hoping

[sand elm]

i wish all tanks who chain pull in combat so i cant go back into stealth a kind fuck you

[exotic parcel]

What do you guys think about this trink? In M+ it's always 6%+ of my damage

[delicate berry]

More nerfs incoming

[tawdry flare]

@balmy condor you can't get a reset off, can you?

[balmy condor]

Not until like mid January probably

[delicate berry]

Feels like that's a weekly occurrence at this point

[balmy condor]

It’s good

[tawdry flare]

Merry Christmas from Blizzard, I guess

[vestal dune]

Do these nerfs impact one build harder than the other or is it a 5% for both more or less?

[oblique tangle]

Wait.

[high berry]

is there an issue with copying out the build strings from the FAQ?

[oblique tangle]

Imagine your spec is so good that some teams run 3 of them

And the WoWhead raid DPS tier guy places us as the worst spec for Rogue below even Sub

?_?

[exotic parcel]

Sometims you have to leave the page or like scroll a bit for it to work

[oblique tangle]

I'm about to flame Dratnos and Tettles

[high berry]

ty

[tardy lance]

IK obvs you can't really tell yet, but what are your predictions for DTB vs Kingsbane in ST situations?

You reckon DTB will still edge out?

[pale plank]

did pretty in Cos+5 as outlaw with that trink

[exotic parcel]

Sweet

that's actually crazy for a trinket

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-doomer-gif-25753254

Nerf inc??

[pale plank]

hmmm... for some reason it does more dmg in outlaw than sin

[wooden radish]

find weakness

[pale plank]

with sin is about 6.5%

[wooden radish]

outlaw has more crit

dunno

[cobalt relic]

Trinket isn't that crazy. Remember it's not mainstat so it has to do a lot of damage with its on-use to makeup for that.

It's very good

[balmy condor]

Balance between the two won’t change

[cobalt relic]

But not in need of a nerf or anything

[pale plank]

oh i see

[tardy lance]

👍👍

[exotic parcel]

mine is usualy 6%-6.5% with these stats

[frank stone]

so in m+ with dtb how many people do I want to rupture in lets say a 5 enemy pull

(if this doesnt belong here mb)

[ebon copper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

Enough to have energy

[frank stone]

oh so its more so for energy gain and not raw damage?

[bold lynx]

i wanna cry

[tardy lance]

On a side note, what have you been running/ enjoying more. DTB (with or without exsang) or Kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Yeh kinda

[exotic parcel]

Time to reroll

[balmy condor]

In what content

[bold lynx]

no not at all

[tawdry flare]

Yessir - already been talking about for... Quite a few minutes

[frank stone]

oml thanks I was mistaken this whole time

[strange python]

KB build doesn't take fatal? Why wouldn't it change?

[tardy lance]

Both I guess, raid and M+

[balmy condor]

Because a 5% weapon poison damage nerf ain’t moving a needle homie

[echo geyser]

idk the ilvl of ur trinket

[strange python]

Well sure. But nerfing DTB and not nerfing KB should bring them closer together at least a little

[echo geyser]

but my storm one can do 1-1.7mil in one use

but its way more dangerous ofc

[balmy condor]

Okay, does closer = changing the overall meta?

[pale plank]

379

[strange python]

Well no, but the wording is what threw me off. Mb

[nocturne current]

They nerfed Rogue and haven't fixed the Shadowstep bug yet? ty blizz

[umbral rapids]

what's the shadowstep bug

[tawny barn]

why they nerf aoe for assa ffs

[whole mason]

only 5% including the ER nerf?

[tawny barn]

nerf single target, why fucking reduce all our abilties

[balmy condor]

Yeh around there

[agile geode]

Y

[nocturne current]

Going from 2 shadowsteps to 1. Rogue learns it and unlearns it at the same time switching specs.

[umbral rapids]

you didn't not just say "only 5"

[grizzled jay]

you relog and you "learn" it again. have had to do that a few times in raid lol

[whole mason]

I found some NS bug, so well sub and outlaw can get some back

[nocturne current]

I found a stupid way. I created a "third" spec without Shadowstep. So now I change to that third one then the one I want, atleast prevents the logoff..

[grizzled jay]

hm, smart. might do that

[umbral rapids]

i don't understand

[midnight mist]

I feel like I got robbed of a combot point

im a bit sad

[spice spire]

I’m sorry king

[umbral rapids]

IRL Pickpocket

[grizzled jay]

when you go from 2 to 1, instead of simply unlearning the 1 charge of step, instead you "learn" step but then you "unlearn" the "charge" of step which reduces your charges to 0 even though you know step.

[umbral rapids]

oh what

lmao

[tacit otter]

when you hit the 2 cp animacharged with low energy feels diff

[grizzled jay]

same thing if you go from 1 to 1 but swap from class -> spec or the other way

[nocturne current]

You literally have a talent point you can't use lol.

[grizzled jay]

you "learn" step first, but then "unlearn" it. the ordering is wrong for Rogues.

[umbral rapids]

that sounds weird i need to see it to understand it fully i think

that's hilarious tho

is there a workaround or you're just fucked?

[grizzled jay]

you log off the back on

and you learn it

[umbral rapids]

put the point after?

lmao

that's so funny

[grizzled jay]

have you noticed that we always get the "learned a spell" animation any time we log on??

that's Step

[nocturne current]

I made a third step without shadowstep.. it works but.. kinda annoying

[teal bloom]

Resounding clarity probably still better than reverberation?

[grizzled jay]

don't think sims are done yet

[nocturne current]

I don't get that blue combo point nerf either..

[delicate berry]

What do you think they will ultimately do with exsanguinate? Replace it? Feels bad when inhave to take it as a talent

[nocturne current]

Wasn't there anything else they could have picked instead of the fun stuff?

[grizzled jay]

combine it with IC is what i think they may do

[umbral rapids]

ye it messes with builds/flow i don't like

[spice spire]

Something, something stuff no one uses nerfs

[delicate berry]

On a highlight note for me personally got my Elemental Lariat crafted and dagger

[fluid glade]

is sub just gonna do more st

than sin now

[royal lantern]

its still used, but the wording was "we gonna keep an eye on it"

[exotic parcel]

all rogue specs got hit 3%

[fluid glade]

sin got hit more

[final star]

It already did

[spice spire]

Big sub at it again

[fluid glade]

nah with execute on a raid boss people still prefer it pretty sure

[royal lantern]

thats something what i actually think is somewhat weird

[spice spire]

#subtlety

🗞️

[royal lantern]

like, yeha, its not bad, but why did 1 spec got hit "more" then the others

[fluid glade]

but maybe this will just push sub as the clear winner

[final star]

You love it really

[royal lantern]

probs want the tier set to be less powerfull i gues

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

2set was big

[final star]

Idk I was simming higher as sub with 2p still

With mega good stats

[wide sand]

yo, newbie question, but do i get it right, when i have everything up, outside of deathmark, i just spend my combo points on envenom?

[final star]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

As long as SnD and rupture is up, yeah, envenom is your “dump” finisher

[pulsar abyss]

Wow this singletarget spec sure does st well

[wide sand]

dosen't envenom refresh snd with the DTB build?

[spice spire]

It sure does buddy

[pulsar abyss]

Let's nerf them across the board, wouldn't want to buff that dogshit Crimson tempest or shruiken button

[grizzled moon]

i don't understand this..

[spice spire]

?

[grizzled moon]

why is blizzard always going the stupid route with rogue and nerfing 3 abilities at once and not like other classes with 1 change per tuning

[outer cairn]

Rogue at the top

https://tenor.com/view/hitesh-choudhary-there-it-goes-gone-left-no-more-gif-11652736

[delicate berry]

Was

Lol

[spice spire]

Really makes you think

[royal lantern]

it still is a top class you bigbrains

like wtf are you guys smoking

[spice spire]

Why they would ever nerf them

[grizzled moon]

to most stupid change is the Resounding Clarity now causes Echoing Reprimand to Animacharge 2 additional combo points (was 3).

[royal lantern]

acting as if a 3% hit will make rogue bellow average when it was THAT MUCH ahead?

[grizzled moon]

that one is just made to shit on the fluid game play

[royal lantern]

the only shit change is the ER change cus it actually affects gameplay in a really bad way

[grizzled jay]

MM only 3% nerf too, should have been a 20% nerf. Rogue deserves all 3 top slots.

Back to SoD domination baby.

[spice spire]

Amen

God bless

[grizzled jay]

can't wait for 10.1 when we get ANOTHER rare dagger

[royal lantern]

if my class is not 20%ahead of everyone else, they HATE it

[grizzled jay]

MM once they get Rasz bow though is gonna slap hard

[flint tusk]

Yeh the nerf across the board is fine. For balancing but if they’re doing it weekly it will get old fast. As you’ll never know if you are improving or getting worse. Or blizzards lever monkeys are to blame.

But gameplay changing nerfs just suck.

[final star]

You got be a box of rocks to even question any nerf we've received

As a class

[grizzled jay]

they are just tuning before guilds that aren't RWF get into mythic, this is fine.

[spice spire]

Call me a stalagmite then pal

[royal lantern]

oh common, go away with that "i hope they dont do weekly changes" blizz never doing any real balance changes was the WORST aspect of wow, cus it meant you prayed that your class/spec had decent dmg cus otherwhise it never changed

[spice spire]

Should have buffed exsanguinate obviously

[grizzled moon]

all i see is us being way less op then the lock was in Sepulcher and they didn't even bother to nerf them

[strange python]

Honestly the ER change is the most annoying one

[royal lantern]

if they would do weekly/every 2 weeks small balance changes, would be the ideal world for wow

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s annoying g

[strange python]

Getting enough CP to not max rupture before exsang sucks

[grizzled jay]

you're more of a stalactite tbh

[spice spire]

But not out of pocket tbh

[grizzled moon]

a sec a melee is top lets smack the neft hammer hard

[final star]

Mount kilamanjaro looking mf

[royal lantern]

and not "Lmao your class/spec is bad for a tier? to bad, better luck next tier"

[flint tusk]

Blizzard not doing real balanceing and doing weekly are two different things

[grizzled jay]

they usually give zero fucks about balance in X.3 fwiw

cause expansion is over

[spice spire]

It’s almost like they maybe want to do a better job

[weak horizon]

which animacharged CP did we lose?

[viscid spear]

Would be a stalactite since we're so high

[weak horizon]

do we know yet?

[spice spire]

Since it’s fresh

[grizzled jay]

Ny'alotha was the same way. BM, Destro, and Fire just owned that tier too lol

[spice spire]

No

[royal lantern]

well, a random one

[weak horizon]

oh fuck

so we can't guaranteee er into 7 cp spender

[strange python]

Nah. People are entirely justified to complain that rogues get nerfed while ~4% ahead of the other classes when warlocks were allowed to have all of s3 and s4 untouched

[final star]

What?

[strange python]

I don't mind these nerfs in a vacuum. But gotta remember that bullshit

[spice spire]

.

[exotic parcel]

you guys should know by now melee's can't be on top

[final star]

When a known box of rocks responds

Love that

[royal lantern]

yeha, but they should do a better job at balancing the game WITHOUT nerfing my class???? hello??????

[final star]

[strange python]

The irony in calling anyone a box of rocks when you can't actually respond to the argument or seem to understand what's being said is pretty amazing

[viscid spear]

It's all your fault

[royal lantern]

sorry

[grizzled moon]

someone will always be on 1st spot

[royal lantern]

my 92 overall parse on normal was to strong

[grizzled moon]

and honestly the gap was not that big

[royal lantern]

i killed rogue

[next edge]

mostly relative power, plus a little bit of high pay/punish for doing the minigame right (or wrong), this both evens out the relative power of other talent options while also making it a little easier to get full value. FWIW it's a relatively small nerf, not intended to feel overwhelming and some builds dodge it entirely

from Realz

on why the ER change

he just answered me on Sub channel

[next edge]

Bro what the fuck are you smoking

[viscid spear]

Oh idc

[next edge]

Like the doses of are INSANE

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats fair for sub and outlaw, but for assa it somewhat fucks over the KB opener

[gusty mirage]

k

time to put this in slow mode

enjoy 10 minute slow mode guys

[earnest remnant]

[jaunty arch]

@balmy condor hey dont know if you're around, since we dont use exsang in the kings bane build does the opener change or is it the same minus exsang?

[royal lantern]

cus you went with a ER at 0CP ->2 or 3 CP ER rupture there, so it will probably change the entire opener (probably in a worse way) and not make a "high pay/punish" minigame

[final star]

Call it a change in design philosophy so that doesn't happen again, but blizzard can't change, the nerf is too big we are now useless and you're still 🪨

[cloud moat]

Has anyone tested where Shadowsteop positions you when used on Tetris

[oak sky]

bro theres no way people are delusional enough about the nerf to get this chat put in slow mode 💀

[balmy condor]

IC+KB should use exsang, but of a mixup on the faq

[gusty mirage]

I'm trying to enjoy my friday night without playing babysitter to the cry babies

[balmy condor]

But if you don’t use exsang, you can just play without doubling rupture

[strange python]

Every time blizzard cuts down rogues and people get mad, some borderline blizzard shill says "can't believe you're even mad this is a good change in direction" and then two patches later warlocks are out of control and left entirely unaddressed again. It's genuinely not believable that a human being thinks this is a shift in the pattern instead of a continuation. People like you have said the same thing for every round of rogue nerfs in history, and then the warlocks go unnerfed shortly after. I'm not even saying this nerf isn't justified, I'm saying you cannot possibly be obtuse enough to not understand why people are annoyed.

[flint tusk]

The issue isn’t the nerf in damage.
As i said before people couldn’t be bothered to read the context is the frequency.
It’s straight depressing to be getting bat every week.
Plus that ER nerf fkin sucks just makes the rotation more clunky.

[next edge]

mostly relative power, plus a little bit of high pay/punish for doing the minigame right (or wrong), this both evens out the relative power of other talent options while also making it a little easier to get full value. FWIW it's a relatively small nerf, not intended to feel overwhelming and some builds dodge it entirely. For anyoen who seeks for ER change answer by Realz

[stuck knoll]

You need to chill Kieron did not get rogued nerfed because he's not sobbing and shitting himself every time we get nerfed

[weak horizon]

lol i was just thinking i need to use exsang in higher keys to help on boss fights

[stuck knoll]

Potentially the reason devs often don't take community feedback is because it's insanely reactive and emotional and no one is able to calmly discuss or react to anything ever nerf the world is ending and blizzard hates us

[drifting cosmos]

just as I thought things are looking up

[pulsar abyss]

M+ gameplay buffs any day now

[signal badger]

Rogue still gonna be in top third of dps so no need to freak out plus if you are good at sin doesn’t matter where it is you will still out dps people so just chill and remember it’s only game

[fluid glade]

guys locks won't be top dps again for raid

[slim hamlet]

Dathea kill

[grizzled moon]

i saw more issues with WW then rogue. The fact they did good ST and crazy AOE and they get a 3% nerf only 🙂

[spice spire]

Actually? Huge

[distant mesa]

Those nerfs aren't to down bad. only only I don't like is the 1 less anima charge

[grizzled jay]

aff might be giga M+ now though. we'll see though.

[gusty mirage]

okay stop talking about warlock

and stop shit posting

[raven egret]

Nerf or not, still working on doing better dps cause I aint near the top rogues on logs, so that aint gonna change tuesday 😄

[spice spire]

I believe king good luck!

[craggy basin]

Stupid question. Do I triple stack crit gems in lariat

[royal lantern]

sim yourself, it will probably go for either tripple crit or crit/mastery gems

[feral rivet]

I'm not worried about these changes at all, was expecting us to be tuned down a bit for raid anyway while specs at the bottom were buffed. I am a bit sad that it's an overall aura nerf instead of just ST as I don't think assa needed nerfs for M+ but mostly playing sub there anyway already. We'll still be good

[grim pawn]

Do we think Fatal Concoction nerf will bring DTB and KB closer together?

[weak horizon]

Yeah, @balmy condor how much is the FC nerf for DTB?

[balmy condor]

1%

Updated pin for clarity

[sand elm]

so long as its number 2 im fine with it. with more crit it gets harder to only get 2 combo points

[chilly marsh]

i really dont understand their logic too looks like a lazy weekend aura nerf. Sin is alreayd kind of dead in m+ didnt need more nerf but buffs to improved aoe viability

[hoary copper]

I am mad and I am raging rawr nerfs 👀

[split maple]

Meh nerfs could've been way worse than they are. Considering Enh Sham/WW Monk/MM Hunter also got the same 3% down, it'll even out.

[balmy condor]

Sin is fine in m+

Don’t bait

[distant mesa]

something tells me if it goes down to 2 cp's its gonna be like cp 4-5 sad 10m slow mo 😢

[fast frost]

only-3% m+ sin player think it’s just okay but clarity makes beginning worse
And actually hope IC will be reduced to 30s

[strange python]

It'll be random like the reverb version. It'll be frustrating for setting up exsang, and probably be more annoying than actually impactful.

[balmy condor]

There’s no reason why IC would be buffed again

[cunning surge]

IC is in a fine spot where it is honestly, maybe even a little too good imo

[cursive orchid]

ic being 30 sec literally kills enjoyment of aoe multidotting

[cloud moat]

Any idea?

[whole mason]

@sharp falcon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RYFgWap9bPkdyBCQ/#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=52&view=events&translate=true
KB is not affected by EP.
gain EP before KB casting and drop EP, no difference in dmg.
gain EP during KB, no difference in dmg.

[near valley]

i swear nerfs and slowmode go hand-in-hand

[haughty heron]

are yall going DTB or KB for m+?

[balmy condor]

KB+IC mostly

[balmy condor]

that's cause we have a group of individuals that frequent this channel who stir shit whenever there's nerfs. Impossible to have any half-decent conversation over the crying, so we gotta do this now

[cursive frost]

does anyone else feel energy starved in new DTB build?

[quasi osprey]

cant even doomer-swap to ww since they got 3% too

[shrewd night]

"New" dtb build?

[slim hamlet]

Alright I am slow so I just saw it now, many people have probably maybe already said it, but I'm kinda suprised they decided to do aura nerf. As our aoe already is lacking quite a bit.

[balmy condor]

assassination is a slow spec, get used to it

[weak horizon]

@balmy condor when you're running the sims to crunch these new numbers how are you coding the animacharged cp logic for ER?

[balmy condor]

probably not at all

[royal lantern]

assa is, iirc, 1 of the better classes for m+, a 3%nerf will not make the spec suddenly really bad for m+

a aura nerf was obvious overall, cus its somewhat hard to "only" nerf assa st without atleast SOMEWHAT touching its aoe aswell, unless you ignore all dots etc.....

tl:dr, chill, its not big, not even close to big, assa will still slam

[raven egret]

I miss the easy to see PI and such tags on logs... makes it harder to find something to compare my own stuff to

[dark bridge]

cant you just buff fok?

[harsh cliff]

Quick question: If SBS is worth pressing at all, do we basically try to keep it a <=1 charge? FAQ says to avoid over-capping, but if it’s worth pressing over mut we should use it as much as possible right? What am I missing

[nocturne current]

Those fat plant pulls in Academy are absolutely devastating as Assassination, I cream every time.

[shrewd night]

If it was worth pressing over mutilate, I think the faq would say something else than "avoid overcapping".

[balmy condor]

it's worth pressing over mut because of the energy efficiency, so if you want to just nail 3 sbs's in a row, go for it I guess, it's the same thing at the end of the day, you just use the charges earlier vs later

usually would suggest getting in the habit of not slamming charges like that though to try and save for adds when they spawn

[indigo ginkgo]

what i didnt see was a arcane mage nerf !

[valid leaf]

Arcane mage nerf?????

[trail mica]

My frost mage alt really needed some love

[balmy condor]

please stop talking about non-assassination rogue things while we're on slow mode

or waste your 10 min I guess I don't really care

[flint tusk]

I find using sbs to try rolling on the anima charge point is a bit more consistent than mut for some reason. Also range when you need to run out it’s obviously better unless you can range mut 😂

[balmy condor]

that's on you

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[craggy sierra]

I'm assuming the nerf isn't too bad right. Like I said a few days ago I was worried we were a bit too high so not surprised.

[fast frost]

I mean actually, sin got a little good in Academy for you can put shiv&KB on the tree and use IC and crimson to all the little plant
And that one KB damage will be HURT
Love Academy

[royal lantern]

rogue is still a top class, possible its still the highest dmg, the differences are just less gigantic now, cus rogue was ahead by a really big ammount

[slim hamlet]

In pure ST it does indeed seem like 5% isnt enough to bring us down to even 2nd place, pretty epic