assassination

[balmy condor]

mutilate is your main generator in single target

[frank stone]

thanks. I appreciate it

[hybrid cove]

okay so once rupture is up use that and garrote and envenom at 6 points than rupture when its about to be off target?

[balmy condor]

garrote is a dot to maintain like rupture

if rupture is ticking, you use envenom

[hybrid cove]

in the opener it has me apply it 3 times am I always trying to do this?

[balmy condor]

are you playing exsanguinate

[hybrid cove]

yes

[balmy condor]

it does it that many times in opener to max out pandemic before exsang

it's an optimization specific to that talent

[analog oasis]

wowhead still has elemental chaos as best phial, something change?

[versed mica]

Bet they would be kicking themselves if they knew you were a rogue theorycrafter lmfao

[hybrid cove]

interesting, okay, going to take some getting used too i suppose, but maintain all dots and SnD and use envenom while rupture is ticking

[tacit pebble]

this 2 set seems kinda cracked for early prog, dont think its implemented in simc atm

[hybrid cove]

is what im figuring out

[balmy condor]

bout the same damage but you get a little more defensive from vers

[copper gyro]

for the DTB m+ build how important is it to still spread rupture on all targets

only for energy or

[next edge]

holy ur loaded on gear

[sand elm]

hm, fire turtle is simming about 300 dps higher than wind for me with ritual shell

[sweet bobcat]

is sin rogue meant to be less intuitive to play than sub?
im finding it feels really clunky in comparison to sub and outlaw

[sand elm]

less intuitive in what way

and which build

[limber lion]

As it should be

[sweet bobcat]

kingsbane

idk just doesnt feel as smooth

[sand elm]

kb is much more restrictive with rotation as it requires an envenom and both shiv charges for it

try out DTB, its much simpler

[sweet bobcat]

which builds better for cleave?

seeing as most of the fights in the raid are cleaving

[balmy condor]

neither

[next edge]

Outlaw

[balmy condor]

realistically the only you have to cleave the adds would be taking CT

on either build

[oak sky]

What do we sub out for ct btw

[balmy condor]

venom rush/lightweight

[echo geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sweet bobcat]

how are assa rogues doing so much dps on raid streams if they cant cleave

[heady merlin]

was trying to find this info I could have overlooked it but does haste make our deadly poison and bleeds tick faster

[sand elm]

fok is a powerful thing

[sweet bobcat]

fok?

[violet jackal]

do soo much single target it makes others aoe look bad

[sand elm]

fan of knives

[sweet bobcat]

bro thats cooked

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[balmy condor]

he's right though

heroic terros

council

sin drops when you have aoe

just how it is

[flint tusk]

I do like how, while we can’t AOE so to speak. Even just multidotting seems to keep me somewhat in the game. Before pulling back ahead again in ST segments.

Also i agree fok/venom and poison bomb spam are nuts. In short bursts of side adds

[tulip sky]

do i use envenom on 6 cp only or 5 aswell? or do i fan when i have 5?

in single target

[balmy condor]

you finish on max-1

[flat bay]

hey everyone knew to assassination, where can i find a good 60-70 leveling build?

[tulip sky]

:^)

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[tulip sky]

thank you

[flat bay]

ty

[slim hamlet]

Is there a way in raidbots to sim with and without an embellishment

or do we have to do some wizard stuf in the text box?

[spice spire]

Mm hunters those fucking rats

[solid mica]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ionic smelt]

neck/weapon still bis to craft longterm?

[pale plank]

yep i got destroyed by an mm hunter in council

[upbeat hazel]

is there a difference in damage between bronze gripped wrappings rank 2 and rank 3?

and how large is it

[balmy condor]

there is not

[upbeat hazel]

ah so outlul people lied

typical

[balmy condor]

have to add the bonus id to the item

[lavish linden]

is IC good for all mythic+?

[glass junco]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen raven]

When can I channel puzzel box with this opener

feels giga awkward

[severe oyster]

Puzzle box breaking stealth is giga cringe tbh. Should be able to pre channel.

[supple ridge]

Any idea whats the difference between the rank2 and rank3 Bronzed Grip Wrappings?

[slim hamlet]

I usually do it right before exsang if i talent it or before dm

[woeful meteor]

Probably Channel before Mark doubt there is a way to have that thing feel smooth

[slim hamlet]

Might be worth doing it before reapplying bleeds

[solemn mason]

anyone got a macro for tricksing tank?

[keen raven]

Yea ive been doing rupture

then channeling

then deathmark

just feels so ass

[arctic venture]

guys oils for sin?

which one?

[slim hamlet]

buzzing rune

[arctic venture]

tks

[lusty widget]

lads are we indiscrim carn or single targ for dath?

[balmy condor]

definitely single target

[lusty widget]

❤️

[sand elm]

I stopped using puzzle box cos the cast feels awful and janky as a melee

[outer cairn]

got that diurna dagger. lets go

[lapis rain]

I'm going to ask a super silly question

[gusty mirage]

there are no silly questions

only silly people

such as @spice spire

[spice spire]

?

[peak bobcat]

bro my raid leader gave current trinket to the other rogue

im so tilted

[balmy condor]

happens

[gusty mirage]

don't call me out like that bro

[peak bobcat]

dude

[lapis rain]

Assuming I'm not running indiscriminate carnage, and assuming that a group of adds is for some reason going to live for 30 seconds, should I be aiming to get rupture onto all adds, then envenom with PB, OR is it enough Ruptures to have infinite energy and then sink envenom hoping for PB?

[peak bobcat]

i have garbage world quest trinkets on

[balmy condor]

the latter

[peak bobcat]

grats

[soft shale]

meanwhile i have normal set guess who wont get hc or M set for a while

[gusty mirage]

if it makes you feel any better

I won't see tier unless I loot it in lfr

[obsidian beacon]

is there an m+ build that gives you poison vile + carnage?

[soft shale]

tale as old as time

[balmy condor]

I'm sure there is

but it's garbage

[soft shale]

but you also have the uno reverse of giving loot to the good people and them getting poached

[balmy condor]

so we don't take it

[obsidian beacon]

ah ok that's bascially what i was asking. if it was garbage lol

i'm running kb + carnage right now.

[compact wing]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[obsidian beacon]

warcraft logs doesn't have an updated stats UI for the new talent system rip

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ebon tundra]

Missive for lariat? crit mastery?

[balmy condor]

ye

[severe oyster]

@balmy condor Spiraling Winds is more of a ST trinket right? Haven't had a single sim where it shows up for top gear in dungeons.

[balmy condor]

ye

[severe oyster]

Was excited to get a 385 one, but haven't used it yet. Lol

[peak bobcat]

gotta go farm some m+ loot

[severe oyster]

Yeah, but I have RLP key and I'm scared now.

[lament meadow]

Anyone know what happens if I have t3 agility enchant on mainhand and t2 on offhand?

[obtuse latch]

Anybody able to take a look at my logs and give me a bit of advice, only parsing like 56 but not sure what im doing wrong

[hybrid cove]

Hey guys, I crafted elemental lariat while I was mainly playing outlaw , are the gems I have fine if I’m just going to be playing assassination in the raid, or should I get new gems each time I switch specs

[slim hamlet]

what arethey

[hybrid cove]

I have outlaws gems so agility vers and then vers/crit

[slim hamlet]

Vers is worst stat for sin

Ideally you would like crit or mastery, but if it was me there would be no chance im switching for each fight

[hybrid cove]

Is there a way for me to get gems that work for both

[slim hamlet]

I believe crit is good for both right?

[hybrid cove]

Yeah crit is second best for both I believe

[slim hamlet]

It is best for sin too

I would do that

[hybrid cove]

Is there a way to sim my gems to see how it will improve ?

[slim hamlet]

Eh

I think so

Top gear it

And choose the new gem under prismatic gems

and check "replace existing gems" on

[hybrid cove]

There must be, I’ll have to look into it, like you said I’m not switching each time I switch specs so I’ll sim some different ways

[frigid pilot]

why in sims does deadly poison do second top dps

but in my gameplay its like 5 or 6

[rancid junco]

what is better to play ic+kb for m+ or run dtb ?

[slim hamlet]

this is my dmg

from terros heroic

[frigid pilot]

what am i doing diff than u

[slim hamlet]

No idea

Not full uptime on envenom?

or missing shiv casts

Not using shiv in dm

Not saying you should save shiv for dm, but you want to use them in opener

[hexed root]

our faq's aoe/cleave specs don't seem good/up to date based off logs but maybe that's inaccuarte

[hot oriole]

is corrupting rage fucked for anyone else and not cycling after a wipe?

[astral flax]

anyone familiar with horn of valor trinket? should I be using that?

[frigid pilot]

oh so i should be shiving dm?

[slim hamlet]

Can you link the logs?

[frigid pilot]

prolly shiv issues

[slim hamlet]

Every poison phial does that

It is not on tooltip

[frigid pilot]

whats full up time on envenom

[slim hamlet]

But poison phials randomly gives you a dot as long as you have it on

[hot oriole]

cringe so i gotta pop one every pull?

[slim hamlet]

In opener and after that on cd

[hot oriole]

to get my crit

[frigid pilot]

alright prolly the issue

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[hexed root]

rankings for council

[slim hamlet]

If you want to spend 1 mil gold

[slim hamlet]

The envenom buff

Increases application chance of poisons

[slim hamlet]

idk if im omega blind but i dont see a difference

[hexed root]

rank 1 didn't look like the ones in the faq

[slim hamlet]

One dude is taking ttb over blindside

faq isnt for council

thats for m+

Very different

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/vault-of-the-incarnates-raid-tips

[hexed root]

well right but where else would I look for sin aoe specs? the other faqs have em

qq

[slim hamlet]

That is aoe

But council is not just m+ like aoe

[hexed root]

yea

[slim hamlet]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQTikkESUSAAAAAAAkAQSCAAAAAAABp5AlkQSSSahkkQSiEJOA

[grizzled jay]

the faq is never going to have a per-boss talent recommendation

that should come with being good at the spec

and knowing the talents

[hexed root]

i mean

council seems unique to want to excel w/ sin. I wouldn't want a "council spec" compared to whatever

go back to your sub channel @grizzled jay 💔

[slim hamlet]

I have no idea what this means

[hexed root]

don't worry about it

[slim hamlet]

Ah ok

I read it like 5 times

and was still like wtf

[hexed root]

i suck at talking

its not aoe, it's not m+, just general permanent cleave

[slim hamlet]

Still reading it

[nova kelp]

CHILL DUDE we got eyes on us atm, and we don't have warlock plot armour

[slim hamlet]

still not understanding it

[slim hamlet]

We gotta sandbag in heroic and normal kills

Please

[nova kelp]

wow, that message just sent?

w/e lol

my internet is giga today

[slim hamlet]

That build just helps with constant bleed uptime with IC, so i guess you would call it prolonged cleave fight

It's just for council

And I hate it

Going from council to terros was bis feeling

Also only 65 rogues playing sin on council confirms that

[hexed root]

yea i'd want to stick with sin but feels like I'll just go outlaw

right

its okay, still beating @grizzled jay

[trim zinc]

ill be the 66

[slim hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

Easy

[slim hamlet]

Well I was the 65th like 7 hours ago

so probably more now

[grizzled jay]

kekw

[trim zinc]

but my guild only raid weekends

[strange python]

Sin where it’s at? Probably gonna respec from outlaw

[hexed root]

no lol

[strange python]

Oh

[slim hamlet]

There is already 102 now

[strange python]

Which 1

[slim hamlet]

unluck

[lofty gazelle]

for ST kingsbane/execute build do we use amplifying or deadly?

[slim hamlet]

You would never talent amp if you werent gonna use it

[smoky quail]

which writ would be best for ass rn

[slim hamlet]

sophic

[kind talon]

what fight is that

[hexed root]

council

outlaw is much easier but it's not sin 😦

[kind talon]

hm

[kind talon]

hmmm

interesting

yeah sin big donkey doodoo on council

saj

[hexed root]

yeppp

[frozen iris]

wowhead comment is saying that i have to different kind of gems for the buff. But also heard that it cant anymore so what gem should i have in them

[balmy condor]

crit/mast

[frozen iris]

so dont have the 3 diffenent elemental gems?

[balmy condor]

no

[frozen iris]

Thanks

even over the agi/crit gems?

[kind talon]

agi crit is one

unique

[frozen iris]

ah

[kind talon]

you always get one tho

[frozen iris]

How so?

[kind talon]

you always use it

because its the best gem

is what i mean

its unique one but you always want one

[cerulean nest]

look at this play I made lmao

https://clips.twitch.tv/MuddyWimpyMagpieBCWarrior-2xehX0TaB6P16HD8

[frozen iris]

ah i misinterpreted what you said

[hexed root]

buff sin please

[kind talon]

getting there

[slim hamlet]

same

[slim hamlet]

this hc council?

[hexed root]

yea

[slim hamlet]

how hanvt you killed it with that team dmg

our highest dps layed at around ~78k

[hexed root]

mechanics are hard idk

[slim hamlet]

Fucking melee on that fight for the first few tries

kill me

[hexed root]

feel free to come watch lmao

[slim hamlet]

man its 5 AM

NA nerd

[hexed root]

lol

[slim hamlet]

Wait

maybe im the nerd

[hexed root]

probably, you're around like 24/7

[slim hamlet]

[hexed root]

❤️

[slim hamlet]

Also fake because im sleeping from 5 am to 2 pm usually

So get fuckd

epic

[kind talon]

epic

[ancient oar]

question, in whyspers post on M+ build, he doesn't have exsang, but on his rotation he has exsang in the rotation, should I just ignore the exsang in the rotation and play it how it reads?

[eager sorrel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[slim hamlet]

Yea

You can take exsang or MA

Both very close

[balmy condor]

it's supposed to have exsang, but like aurhora said they're close

I just am uh

struggling

which one of you clowns

made this shit

[white sequoia]

That is a sexy ring

[balmy condor]

most cursed signet

I have ever seen

[hollow river]

why?

[frigid pilot]

hmmmm, this deadly poison mystery dps is killing me

[oak sky]

vers vers vers

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

vers is poggers guys!

speaks in pvp

[hexed root]

its to be better prepped for outlaw obviousl

[dire lodge]

hello. I lost my internet connection during mythic eranog, but managed to apply rupture and get slice and dice up. When I came back, i had 100k dps (next highest was 42k,) is sin really this good? 😨

[hexed root]

why only 100k?

[dire lodge]

I can’t afford bronze time wraps and I have 20% vers

[warm urchin]

is shrouded suffocation better if i have trouble juggling SBS? for the DTB single target build

[slim hamlet]

It is quite a big dps loss

its a week since i did my personal sim for that but i believe it was like ~2% if not more

What is the thing you type to make it as if you had 2 piece and 4 piece in raidbots?

Cant remember

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Whispyr hold me... I know the nerfs are coming.

Copium

[vale shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[cloud coyote]

hey guys, how is the finisher rules for assasin?
im used to play outlaw and im confused about it

idk when to envenom at 5cp or force it to 6cp

[weak horizon]

It's max or max-1

Since mutilate always generates at least 2

No point in mut-ing on max-1 because it's guaranteed wasting one cp

[cloud coyote]

i see

that is then, thanks my bro

i love u

[autumn knoll]

am i the only one unsettled by this ugly ahh icon why did it have to b this

[raven egret]

I made it bois

Just happy wanted to share my happiness, Sin (and sub) rogues are fun!

[blissful crown]

How is sin rogue in AOE pulls in m+? still viable? been playing outlaw whole exp so far, but i just cant get peace with the spec (always been doing sub/assa)

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure it's been like that for 6 years

[oak sky]

its just the kingslayers

[autumn knoll]

idk it could be something green poison-like why this like 😐

[hollow escarp]

it's the icon of the artifact weapon

[torn atlas]

What are you seeing here that's meant to be bad?

[autumn knoll]

bc it makes no sense

they just recycled the artifact weapon icon like ??

[torn atlas]

Ur right. We don't have enough green poison looking buttons

[autumn knoll]

yea this is so much better

[hollow escarp]

Kingsbane was the ability we got with the Kingslayers so it's fine that the icon is the literal weapons

[balmy condor]

so your complaint is that the icon its always been for that ability

is the icon

instead of a new one

[autumn knoll]

oh so its been around for more than 1 week?

[balmy condor]

it was the ability all through legion

[peak bobcat]

Yeah only like 3 expansions or so

[hollow escarp]

since 2016

[autumn knoll]

ok yall win c:

[weak plover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[twilit hollow]

may i interest you in butchery

as the ugliest icon of the game

[torn atlas]

I really do enjoy the idea butchering things with a mace.

[supple snow]

If you hit them hard enough

[prisma cypress]

does recrafting an item to a higher ilvl have the same skill requirement as crafting it at that level to begin with?

[frozen iris]

What does bronze grip wrappings actually do?

[prisma cypress]

like, is there any downside to having something crafted at a lower level other than having to spend gold on more mats later

[frozen iris]

disregard

[median beacon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[smoky phoenix]

Is it worth farming M+ for a shot at non raid trinkets?

Or should i just forget about it and go for raid ones?

[lucid kernel]

Is it a major loss dropping bone spike for rank 3 zoldyks? (Temperd Blades build)

[frozen iris]

Simming it myself said its a loss of 842

[weak horizon]

probably a dumb question

but assuming we put in a crit/mastery gem into our elmeental lariats?

depending on top gear tims

sims*

[frozen iris]

Correct unless you dont have the Agi /Mas gem already

1* of them

in your gear already

[hybrid meadow]

what have yall been running for m+ talent wise?

[weak horizon]

okay probably even more fkn dumb

you can't buy gems off the AH?

[weak horizon]

i've been running ic + kb and i like it

[hybrid meadow]

Thats what I've been running as well but some dungeons doesn't feel as good as others. Still performs okay, but feels trash

Wondering how the DTB builds are doin

[weak horizon]

so the main stat gems require work orders?

[hybrid meadow]

yee

they arent too expensive

[heady island]

Not been doing any high keys really but my experience with the DTB build is that it’s very chill. I like it and at least among my friends I do well in damage. Should try it and see how you like it

[hybrid meadow]

i think im going too.

[smoky phoenix]

Actually a real question, should i learn outlaw for m+? I feel like i'm having a hard time keeping up as assassin

[hybrid meadow]

Been using the DTB in raid over KB and been liking it

[smoky phoenix]

Like when i have the bleed spread up it's great

[hybrid meadow]

Outlaw always nice

[smoky phoenix]

But when i don't boy it's rough

[craggy basin]

stupid question ( or a few sorry ) new to assass this exp been focusing outlaw. For Deathmark do I need to have fresh bleeds before i cast it to make the best use or does it not matter. Also what's the play for after casting it? Recast bleeds before it ends?

[smoky phoenix]

I have a 398/405 dagger for sin though and legit nothing for outlaw

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter, doesn't matter

[hybrid meadow]

its necessary to get restealth in between pulls as sin, but some tanks just wall to wall it and its hard to set up garotes and such without being stealthed

[balmy condor]

definitely not necessary to get restealths

[craggy basin]

thanks

[hybrid meadow]

lemme rephrase, it feels necessary to enjoy it

[smoky phoenix]

Any tips for assassin m+ using KB aoe tree whispyr?

[hybrid meadow]

i still do fine dps wise without it

[balmy condor]

use cds on cd

[smoky phoenix]

deathmark on prio and use combo charges on aoe finisher?

[balmy condor]

ye

[frozen iris]

In the single target dtb opener should i have the required combo points after casting echoing reprimand for an empowered envenom?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hard atlas]

is exsanguinate a dead talent now?

[balmy condor]

NO

[half pulsar]

Also related to exsanguinate, using is just before death mark doesn't ruin death mark right? Just never use it right after death mark?

[celest helm]

Can someone tell me how to control the ilvl of crafted gear? i see Seliathan has a 40 dagger that has an effect on it, i dont truly get the crafted system

[hard atlas]

dam was actually hoping it was XD i hate that talent so much lol.

[celest helm]

its braindead now. 3min CD its cake

[hard atlas]

i just never liked the playstle personally. thought since Jpc wasnt using it that made the nerf was enough to kill it

[obtuse latch]

Do we always refresh rupture on an anima point or if non are available is it okay to use max cp

[celest helm]

same as any other finisher

if you can finish on anima thats dope if not nbd. finish on max -1

[obtuse latch]

Gotcha ty

[smoky phoenix]

Is there a setting you can do to disable moving your character without moving camera?

Like how it's delayed or something? Can i stop that so that the camera tracks character movement instantly?

[late veldt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

You know, it feels good to not play exsang in m+

[hybrid meadow]

agreed

[balmy condor]

I do it anyway

[hybrid meadow]

i used it with the carnage build it was good fun

[subtle tundra]

Lining up a dm kb in execute with vanish in the last 3 seconds gives me dopamine

Does kb work with zoldyck? I'm unsure

[brazen zodiac]

exsang user

[balmy condor]

I hate it

but 3min is okay

and it feels like I do prio

[brazen zodiac]

i like it more with 3 minutes

[balmy condor]

and that makes my pp turn into PP

[brazen zodiac]

45 felt goofy

oh my big PP?

[balmy condor]

yeh

45 is gooftown

3min feels fine

[brazen zodiac]

r u sure not big PPP..?

[balmy condor]

I only have 2 P's

[brazen zodiac]

...

whered the third one go?!?!

:OOOO

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/313400507743862794/968210297888309298/1650903322551.gif

[brazen zodiac]

[karmic scaffold]

anyone know if you lose your enchant on recraft?

[brazen zodiac]

i dont think u do

[subtle tundra]

And then the target I dm'd dies in 10 seconds

So kb does no dmg

[balmy condor]

I spread them out

[smoky phoenix]

Is the DTB build for M+ competitive with the IC+KB?

[balmy condor]

yes or it wouldn't be recommended

[dawn kelp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dawn kelp]

What’s bis Phial

Cause that static empowerment is bait

[vestal wren]

vers

corrupting potion is fine too if your uptime is at least 70%

but seems like that is around the mark ppl get in heroic

so mythic likely has lower uptime

[dawn kelp]

Thanks 🙂

[vestal wren]

it is also cheaper

so only positives to it

[dawn kelp]

Manic grief torch is giga rn on 30 man heroic 😂😂

[grim jay]

Dont ever DM me if everything you DM dies in 10 seconds

[subtle tundra]

Hey 😉

[pine ore]

What r u playing in keys rn - sub?

[smoky phoenix]

for dtb m+ i basically just spam FoN and then IC for duration and otherwise dump itno envenom for poison pools right?

[prisma cypress]

you can just say something is fun, you don't need to say it makes your brain feel good or whatever. means the same thing

[cobalt hemlock]

woudnt vers also make it better for prog becaus you take less dmg? not crazy amounts but can be impactful

[vestal wren]

i think it is just in general a very comfortable option

it does not depend on random factors that can easy make it bad

and it is cheap to buy

basically a no brainer

statis seems for most fights rly bad given the amount of movement in the raid

isolated... well we are melee

corrupting, as mentioned above heroic logs have 70% uptime what is defualt in the sim

and with 70% uptime it sims about equal to tepid of vers

[pine ore]

On most if not all bosses melee is super tight

You just have to stack for most stuff sadly

[vestal wren]

(and if you are unlucky its lower, mythic probably lower)

[barren lintel]

How would we determine BiS drops from raid?

[vestal wren]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vestal wren]

wowhead should have it under gear

[prisma cypress]

can someone give me the 411 on the dagger with the wrappings and the lariat neck? should i be getting this stuff crafted even if i don't have one of the things to boost its ilvl? are there any downsides to doing it now?

any pitfalls to watch out for?

[barren lintel]

Thx!

In which situations should KB be better than DTB?

[icy cliff]

It was braindead at 45sec just use after er rupture

Now its annoying

[subtle tundra]

Assa master race

[subtle tundra]

Cry about it

[smoky phoenix]

Can someone help me understand how to play DTB in m+ with CT?

I'm assuming i stealth between packs, and double garrote, ruptre the primary target, put CT on once for duration and then just fan + enven + fan + enven over and over?

I find myself just STARVED for energy, i think im doin somethin wrong

[balmy condor]

Need to spread more ruptures if you’re starved

[smoky phoenix]

Do the ruptres need to be max cp or is 3 enough? im just spreading rupture for the energy regen right?

primary damage comes from fan + envenom spam?

Also when do i prio ct over envenom?

[balmy condor]

Max-1 for all finishers

[balmy condor]

Primary aoe is fan+ct or fan+envenom

Fan+ct is bigger aoe typically

But the envenom is good for like those prio targets in a pack while doing aoe

The CT over envenom prio is uh

Complicated

I don’t really have a number to follow

Usually I tell people CT for 6+

But there’s way too many variables that can affect it and really you just have to feel it

Like is it a giga pack but you need to prio something? Probably envenom

Are you putting dm on something? Should probably keep the envenom up for poison applications to use for double amp poison envenoms

[subtle tundra]

I feel it really well

[balmy condor]

You indeed do varas

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

You’re a great feeler

[subtle tundra]

😳

[barren lintel]

Are there raid fights where speccing outlaw could be better than playing assa?

[balmy condor]

Depends on what better means to you

More overall damage?

[subtle tundra]

Council, the egg boss

[balmy condor]

In which Case yes, every fight other than dathea probably

[subtle tundra]

Terros

[balmy condor]

Or terros

I forgot about terros

[subtle tundra]

Assa goes hard

🤤

[balmy condor]

It do

Until a 4 pack of adds spawns and you’re not playing IC

[subtle tundra]

Still dont like how fast it is

[subtle tundra]

Even with ic, basically everything else does more aoe

[balmy condor]

Yeh

I had an unholy dk compliment my pump in an academy earlier

That was nice

[subtle tundra]

🫡

[balmy condor]

kinda want 4 piece

[subtle tundra]

I know for sure I get it on wed/thursday

[balmy condor]

60% of my damage is bleeds man

[subtle tundra]

So I'm chillin

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra

need gear

[oak sky]

looking stinky!

[balmy condor]

give gear

[subtle tundra]

Last night I got the trinket that makes you an elemental

[balmy condor]

oh so you're actually crank city

[subtle tundra]

I want to do an academy

On hc too

😳

Want to go for a 20 today

But don't really have a tank that can survive

[balmy condor]

yeah keys do big dam

[raven mica]

Wtf

Tank beating out arcane

[balmy condor]

yeh

he was uh

not good

[pine ore]

on razageth assa is probably #1 spec overall in the game rn i think

at least for heroic/mythic

[balmy condor]

yah maybe

not sure yet

not enough data

[subtle tundra]

Arcane is high skill floor so the average pug is bad at it

[dark token]

Is there any way to macro thistle tea so it's not castable while I have an active tea buff or something

Sometimes I doubt tap it by accident

Shadow dance has a stance macro I don't know of a way to do it with thistle tea sadly

[umbral rapids]

Mr @balmy condor may i have log thread please

It’s my once a tier « play sin and get roasted »

[balmy condor]

!log @umbral rapids

[teal iris]

yea also a ton of fotm rerollers who never played it before

[royal lantern]

mages are so used to fire beeing the best spec at everything by Default

playing a spec that is not COMBUST FLAMESTRIKE FLAMESTRIKE PYRO OMG DMG breaks their brains

[teal iris]

people will quickly realize how fucking annoying it is to play arcane in m+

with pugs anyway

[umbral rapids]

Yeah arcane pugs sounds awful lmao

[prisma cypress]

does current arcane play anything like kyrian arcane in SL?

i thought that was a cool spec

[dark token]

Even most fire mages in pugs suck man

[lyric cave]

talents

[balmy condor]

ic+kb

[lyric cave]

that was m+ right

[balmy condor]

ye

[lyric cave]

nice

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[uncut dragon]

Hey, so if I'm doing DTB in M+. whats my AOE? Seems kind of light.

[signal pier]

how 😭

i do 33k overall

[raven egret]

Crimson Tempest, poison bomb, multi dotting

[lyric cave]

@balmy condor is it BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgkIJJxBClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSKBiQSERSSA

[signal pier]

yo good bro?

[raven egret]

You won't be ever bursting as high in aoe as with carnage, but your overall will be higher

[royal lantern]

a big part is your group not fking you over with shity done chainpulls

and not always only pulling 3enemys at a time

[signal pier]

yeah but 77k means he had IC for every pull or something

[royal lantern]

+mate, the Word salad is the import string of a talent build lol

[signal pier]

oh lmao

[balmy condor]

it's this one

[lyric cave]

thanks

[balmy condor]

but uh, I'm taking some more utility

just as a preference

so I'm taking double shiv charges

cause raging

and exsang for prio

[raven egret]

I did the same thing most runs. Exsang been a huge help

[balmy condor]

but the damage between MA/exsang isn't really a thing

[royal lantern]

whisp is a based ic kb m+ player

[balmy condor]

it's equal

[raven egret]

Most pug I ran with are hard all out aoe builds, still beat em overall cause someone has to kill the bosses

[signal pier]

i only do +10's but i agree that exsang really showed off when we needed a prio target down

[balmy condor]

practice and knowledge I guess

:P

[royal lantern]

but you play sub, how can you build up assa knowledge

[raven egret]

Hehe. Still not having IC for a pull feels sadge

[lyric cave]

@balmy condor do u carnage then vanish garrote n rup does it buff the rest

[raven egret]

But then you get IC, and that sparks joy

[balmy condor]

there's a lot of guides and stuff that have good info ||I wrote them|| xd ||coaching is $40 an hour loser lmao|| xdd

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

[signal pier]

send paypal rn

[lyric cave]

nice]

[balmy condor]

but mostly IC + gar from stealth

[royal lantern]

carnage from stealth, do garrote on important targets during the SS window, CT->er into 7cp aoe rupture

[uncut dragon]

but I want dtb and ic...

[royal lantern]

whisp only accepts onlyfans

[signal pier]

kinda dumb question, if a pull if short enough for 1 IC, do you save IC for execute or use it on pull?

[raven egret]

You and me both, but uh, clearly that's not going to happen

[lyric cave]

nice\

[balmy condor]

I use on pull

If you hold the cd, you’re wasting future casts of it

And that’s generally going to be worse

[signal pier]

I see

[balmy condor]

It’s one of those “if you have to ask, don’t do it”

[royal lantern]

+like, IC on pull is good cus aoe silence and shit

helps grouping stuff

[signal pier]

and i got this mf, that requires 2 second cast and makes me go out of stealth

it also requires a target

it helps AoE dmg by a lot but it's very sad to use

[balmy condor]

I wish I had it tbh

Even if it’s ass

The dam is so good

[signal pier]

it's only ass to use

[balmy condor]

Ye ye

[subtle tundra]

I can also tell you what whispyr has told me for a cheaper price

Also m+ review from a r1 assa

That means a lot

[balmy condor]

Varas feeling attacked

[subtle tundra]

Oi I need to justify playing wow for 18 hours a day

[uncut dragon]

If Whispyr coached me 1v1 he'd probably unsub.

[balmy condor]

the best coaching sessions are the complete noobs that realize 20 minutes in that envenom has a buff

that's the easy money

[proper vortex]

Hey guys 🙂 is the Wowhead or ass faq opener correct, cause thye seem really different 🙂

[balmy condor]

faq

they ain't that different

[subtle tundra]

Yes so for you to get energy you can't use instant poison as your only poison

[proper vortex]

awesome, thanks Whispyr! Thanks for all your write ups etc

[umbral rapids]

Wait what

[hearty junco]

so you dont do CT unless 6+ targets? how many targets do you rupture?

[balmy condor]

np, sorry the wowhead rotation page is so dogshit

[balmy condor]

no I CT at 2 target

[proper vortex]

haha i didn't want to argue with you, but I was like.. it's kinda very differnet

[balmy condor]

I don't spam until 6

[umbral rapids]

It’s on it took me an entire raid, a full night of sleep and whispyr to realize DM had a duration

[hearty junco]

okok

[balmy condor]

the toggler thingies are very very fucking annoying to use

setting them up takes hours

[hearty junco]

and how many ruptures per pack do u do if u dont play carnage

[proper vortex]

ehh, the Faq is awesome. Very clear! 🙂

[balmy condor]

and I don't really have hours on m+ release

[balmy condor]

enough to have energy

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[signal pier]

damn i really do need to read talent passives

[keen viper]

what phial shjould i use for raid as assasination rogue?

[royal lantern]

vers

[dark token]

did one key as sin

LMAO

compare to one outlaw key

[royal lantern]

average outlaw player VS average assassination enjoyer

[crisp cipher]

When playing KB, why do we shiv after KB? Doesn't it make more sense to shiv before?

[minor rover]

When you have 5cp do you peeps use poisoned knife to fill in the last, just use muti / ambush to 6 or do you just press finisher at 5cp?

[balmy condor]

always finish at 5

[raven knoll]

What if I'm at 6cp do I wait till 1 cp falls off?

[cunning locust]

is it better to CT or rupture with IC with animacharged point in m+?

[snow hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

yeah naturally

[raven knoll]

nice!

[balmy condor]

IC doesn't interact with CT

so would be rough

[earnest imp]

How have you guys removed quests and objectives from the side of the screen?

they are driving me crazy

[cunning locust]

ye but it interacts with animacharged points because its a finisher, so i'm interested what slaps harder in aoe - rupt+IC or CT

[balmy condor]

I mean why not both?

[raven knoll]

if 5+ mobs you just IC -> double garrote -> CT then you can ER and with animacharged CP you rupture

[balmy condor]

get the IC rup with animacharg

and then CT spam

[cunning locust]

ok, tyvm!♥️

[royal lantern]

what if it does, but just doesnt do anything cus CT allready does aoe

[fickle trout]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[flat laurel]

What is IC?

[balmy condor]

Carnage

[flat laurel]

Ah yes ofc

[keen viper]

you keep the potion with the opener ? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052364147913916436/ST-DT-Rota.png?width=810&height=284

[steel sorrel]

@balmy condor Do we know how much gain PI gives us? I did just about 50k dmg with no PI on HC spider yesterday and top sin did 70k with 4 PIs, would be cool to know how much dps the PI account for 🙂

I am not very good at simming tbh

[outer lodge]

Seeing some Assa rogues crafting Lariat with haste secondary and haste gems, glad i checked before just buying all crit/mastery

[limber lion]

PI is like 3k or something

Def not 20k :p

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter that much honestly

[outer lodge]

yeah - the difference between the secondary gems being haste or mastery is really close for my sim. Even though the haste is slightly ahead, i still might go mastery since its better for m+.

[steel sorrel]

Seems like I need to git guud then instead xD

Thanks for answering guys, I rly need to learn how to check logs better to see what I am doing wrong

I belive there was a analyser before but mabye that isnt updated yet for DF

[dark token]

im very surprised there are 2x outlaw players as sin players in raid

i think last season converted most of playerbase

[polar timber]

was just wondering does zoldyck work on poison bomb and env?

[signal pier]

does anyone know how to fix the bug where i cant strafe?

[dark token]

relog

[signal pier]

didn't work

[dark token]

go on different char

then go on this one

[signal pier]

exit game didn't work, but logout worked

i hate this bug

[normal mist]

I hate the bug where i can't phase in a group even more

(found out that simply reloging while I'm still in the group fix the phasing issue)

[balmy condor]

Yes, no

[dense cedar]

How is that poisoned knife for 1 cp thing just an eternal question in this channel

[slim hamlet]

Well it is intuitive

I did that until now

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

It is

[balmy condor]

Using a zdps ranged ability rotationally

Should be a gigantic red flag

[slim hamlet]

huh

Oh

Wait

I thought it was shiv

xd

Well then yeah wtf

[earnest imp]

Anyone know why it's all of a sudden okey not to have lust in high keys?

[sullen fjord]

Why are we using rupture twice on the opener?

[earnest imp]

Doesn't it really matter as much?

[balmy condor]

Exsang

[slim hamlet]

Matters the same, but first week and im guessing youre not doing 15+?

[subtle tundra]

how high we talking

[earnest imp]

20s

Not by me

Looking at scoreboard

[subtle tundra]

i mean

its like cos and sbg

[slim hamlet]

huh

[subtle tundra]

so its not like dps matters

you just need to survive

[earnest imp]

They are not running lust often

[slim hamlet]

tbf sbg is residentsleeper worthy

Damn it is kinda weird

[sullen fjord]

What if we play BS instead of exsang? Does IT change anything?

[slim hamlet]

Guessing non lust classes are just that far ahead then

[earnest imp]

That's how I'm reading this

[subtle tundra]

elemental shaman does decent when he isnt cucked by 20 mechanics + quaking

like on par with me decent

[slim hamlet]

so sucks in m+ yep

Decent prop aint enough for 20s

[earnest imp]

It is

But probs not optimal

Think there was a mage doing 20 allready aswell

[slim hamlet]

Mage is usually good in m+

[balmy condor]

You take blindside regardless of exsang or not exsang but uh, you wouldn’t do it then

There’s an explanation about this in the faq

[earnest imp]

Gonna hopefully start pushing today

Just team mates are so much behind in gear

So probs nothing exciting today yet 😦

[subtle tundra]

mastery goes hard

[gentle roost]

kingsbane ic feels really good

[gentle roost]

how do you get the 3 sockets

[subtle tundra]

you can add

item from jc

[earnest imp]

402 lol

[subtle tundra]

tiered something

buy from ah

[vestal wren]

nice

[subtle tundra]

sorry i cant be bothered with 70 dps

[earnest imp]

😄

[subtle tundra]

when im gonna recraft 418

[dark token]

if you have a 405

[pulsar fog]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

it helps craft the 418

btw

[subtle tundra]

probably going 415 and then recraft would be cheaper anyways right

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure all recrafting takes into consideration is mats used on original craft

no?

[gentle roost]

do we keep the 3 sockets when we recraft?

[subtle tundra]

yes

and the sockets in

anyone know which thundering WA makes party frames glow?

with the person i can clear

[slim hamlet]

nop

But found one that is bis other than that

[earnest imp]

For 418 I think they have to use their mettle

So yeah I think it's cheaper in most cases

To get 415 and recraft

[slim hamlet]

We have to use mettle for 100% 418 yes

When i get recipe which is copium hard, I will be chargin an insane amount for 418

And people will buy it

[grim jay]

We have people getting crafts for the same ilvl item for 60k while there are people willing to do the same for 15k, it seems like you will always find someone.... enough to "buy" your service😁

[marble hemlock]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

Guildie of mine already made like 5 mil

[dense cedar]

the trick to sbg keys is to not do them

[slim hamlet]

Sold a 405 dagger for 100k yesterday, only asked for 20k

But because I did quite a bit to get that extra % he tipped large

I now also have 40% chance of insp proc pretty crisp

[balmy condor]

Free fucking dungeon tho

Doesn’t drop shit

But so free

[dense cedar]

ye for vault its good

[balmy condor]

Secret assa rogue tech is spam halls

[dense cedar]

but actually playing it is kinda

boring

[drifting cloud]

doesnt it drop a dagger and a crit/mast item

[balmy condor]

Halls has like 8 drops that are bangers

[balmy condor]

Yeh but it’s a crit haste dagger

Who cares

Crit mast dagger from halls

[drifting cloud]

I guess dagger is useless because youre not spending valor upgrading it ever

[balmy condor]

Big juice

[slim hamlet]

what

why would that make them useless

[balmy condor]

Because your name has too many vowels

[slim hamlet]

Bro

Its legit a word

With an added h

huh

[balmy condor]

A word with too many vowels

[slim hamlet]

Yours is a word but with a fucking y instead of e

look at yourself

Same diff

[dense cedar]

so much hate in this channel

smh

[slim hamlet]

Always getting flamed

smh my head

[dense herald]

Whisp, given our energy gen being pretty high, on AOE for say DTB build, is there a world where you only have ruptures/garrotes on a couple of targets and then just spamming FOK/envenom/CT? Is there an optimal amount of targets to keep bleeds on or is it literally just enough for energy regen to spam FOK/env?

[balmy condor]

But mine has a reasonable amount of vowels

[balmy condor]

Yah you just rupture for energy

[slim hamlet]

Well its only on disc aurhora is still my name

[quasi pine]

Ok, I have a weird question, maybe it already exist, maybe not, do we have a solution to change bind (with a WA maybe?) to change a bind from being mutilate to ambush, when it proc with blindside?

[slim hamlet]

But so weird to change my name, because I often change profile pic, and then suddenly no one knows who i am in channels

[dense herald]

So much damage in CT and PB hey

[balmy condor]

Back when I didn’t have a green name I used to go into outlaw and say “hey new rogue here” and then ask the most brain dead questions

Just to see who would answer

[slim hamlet]

I should try that

[vestal wren]

very smart

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[dense cedar]

you should really just get used to ambush as a regular keybind, 2 of the 3 specs use it consistently

the other one isn't even allowed

[slim hamlet]

I feel like my genuine questions in outlaw would be seen as braindead

[balmy condor]

They were onto me after the first 3-4 times

[quasi pine]

I use it as a regular keybind for the moment tbh, but idk if an easier way exist maybe using it is cool

[balmy condor]

And then I got a green name

And uh

It was doomed

[quasi pine]

thx a lot

[dense cedar]

i do the same thing but in this channel

[slim hamlet]

Man this elemental lariat situation is so cringe

Been in over 50 rare kills often with a raid group and never seen one drop

[balmy condor]

Yeah except you’re a loser and no one knows who you are unless they played legion

[slim hamlet]

Wtf is that drop chance

[dense cedar]

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

who are you?

[dense cedar]

I've got to become more toxic

the only way

[slim hamlet]

[dense cedar]

you are going to explode tomorrow

[balmy condor]

Vansolo is a ravenholdt legend from many years yonder

One of the OG homies

[slim hamlet]

Man i joined this disc in august

[balmy condor]

Disappeared for like 3 years tho

[slim hamlet]

I only know who you are and that toxic guy

[balmy condor]

For no reason

[slim hamlet]

Varas something

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

weirdo

[dense cedar]

called not playing the game

[slim hamlet]

good choice

[marble hemlock]

me?

[dense cedar]

stopped playing bfa at start of nyalotha

came back for SL and dropped it 5 weeks in

[slim hamlet]

Could go under the catagory

[dense cedar]

played 2 weeks of SoD

[slim hamlet]

I started end game shit in ny alotha

[balmy condor]

You’re that cat posting guy

[slim hamlet]

Havoc dh baby

[dense cedar]

just kept bouncing off the game lmao

wonder why tho, those are the best patches in history of wow

as we all know

[slim hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

why would you come back for that shit

Thats the worst patch I've played and its not close

[dense cedar]

was the release weeks

wanted to see the new zone

saw it

left

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[dense cedar]

zerith mortis was interesting even if i only played it just before pre-patch

[slim hamlet]

Zerith mortis was underrated

change my mind

[runic basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dense cedar]

im not huge on wow zones with a bunch of weird shit u have to do in them for rewards tho tbh

mechagon etc

[slim hamlet]

Mechagon was just cringe because of flying and 90% of it was standing afk

[dense cedar]

remember benthic gear

lmao what a hellish design

[slim hamlet]

Didnt do that luckily

[dense cedar]

Eternal palace was fun

never ended up getting CE tho

ohwel

[slim hamlet]

I began in pandaland when i didnt know wtf english was, and then played it on and off, meaning I flew around not knowing what was going on

First time i stepped into other than lfr and lfg was nyalotha

[dense cedar]

MoP was my first full expac as rogue

[slim hamlet]

I have legit gained over 2 renown levels from killing rares in the storms

Im madging so hard if i dont get recipe soon

[cunning surge]

Oh the Lariat? I wish you the best of luck fam

[mortal badger]

Lariat recipe is a lie

[gentle roost]

the enchant prices are funny af

[slim hamlet]

I swear its not intended to be this low drop chance

There is no way they let a gigantic server like tarren mill eu only have ~5 recipes after 3 days

[cunning surge]

It's honestly insane how ridiculously low it is

[slim hamlet]

And you also only have a chance at it every 30-45 mins

like what???

and that is if the storms are even up

im malding

[dense cedar]

I did storms for like

20 minutes

[slim hamlet]

Yeah you dont get shit for grinding it

[dense cedar]

and only got like 800 goo and stopped

[blissful crown]

Is there still some bugs with embellish on weapons?

[slim hamlet]

Storms are absolutely awfully made

[blissful crown]

or what should i go for on crafted MH?

[slim hamlet]

omega malding right now

pins

There is quite a few updates

[next edge]

Just make sure go have repaired item

Or it won't work

[slim hamlet]

smart

[blissful crown]

Eh what? 😛

[next edge]

It's a known bug

Happened to md

[slim hamlet]

Wait

I thought you did a bamboozle

its actually true?

[next edge]

If the item you recraft

[mortal badger]

I farmed many things in my life but fuck lariat i aint doin it

[next edge]

It's not repaired to max

It doesn't work

[slim hamlet]

[next edge]

Happened to me 10 mins ago

[blissful crown]

I'm gonna craft a completly new weapon

[slim hamlet]

how is that a thing

[blissful crown]

i have spark + infusion

[cunning surge]

I thought that was intended honestly

[next edge]

Small indy

[slim hamlet]

insane

[cunning surge]

Tho, if it is actually intended, I wish it would say something about it needing to be repaired and not just do the full recraft and then oops nothing

[slim hamlet]

it is def not lol

There is no way it is required on purpose

[cunning surge]

It made a tiny bit of sense to me because a slightly damaged weapon being recrafted would be odd in my eyes, but you have a valid point

[arctic bobcat]

Does master poisoner increase the damage reduction from atrophic poison?

[slim hamlet]

No way

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