assassination

[azure bronze]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange silo]

Bronzed grip wrappings r1-3 is only recipe difficutly right? the procc is always the same?

[thin trout]

yup

[nocturne bough]

so is lariat neck + dagger hte best?

[strange python]

Dagger gotta be the best right?

[ornate raptor]

Wondering the same thing cause i am ready to craft the neck if it is

[strange python]

I mean the neck is really good with either equip or use but a daggers a dagger

[nocturne bough]

we can craft 2 things right? we all got 2 sparks

[grizzled ruin]

bronzed r3 is 240k hmmm

[strange python]

Yea but you need 2 sparks for a dagger which is dumb af

[simple ore]

? no you don't

[strange python]

no mb, read wrong

[nocturne bough]

OHhhhhhhh what? i thought it was only 2 handers that needed 2 sparks

[strange python]

Yea it is, my bad read wrong

[brazen onyx]

Is there a huge difference between Kingsbane build and Dragon Tempered?

[slim estuary]

Kinsbane has a better execute phase

DT is easier

[trim zinc]

But dtb is better overall

[brazen onyx]

Overall is worth having kingsbane?

[trim zinc]

Only if u need the execute
And if u like it more
But dtb deals more dmg

[brazen onyx]

Thanks ^^

[royal lantern]

we dont know how fights will play out on mythic

maybe there is a boss where the last 30% are brutal, but the start is kinda w/e? then KB has more value as an example

[grim jay]

Whispyr said earlier the damage is lower on lower quality aswell

[royal lantern]

yes, higher quality gems/enchants/pots do more dmg/give more stats

the AH tooltips are just bugged and always show the same

[brazen onyx]

Does KB change the gameplay a lot? I'm going to learn how to play assa

[grim jay]

Tho I think for most people crafting with q2 and (way) later recraft q3 is prolly better bcs cheaper

[strange silo]

ye for consumes/enchants i know but didnt knew that the embellishments are the same

[royal lantern]

you have a 1min cd and a 3min cd you use

and you dont slam shiv on cd, you keep both charges for KB

thats the only difference

[brazen onyx]

Okai, i'll try it, thank you so much ^^

[craggy sierra]

Are we gonna get nerfed? We be pumpin

[arctic bobcat]

Oh I thought they were basically identical, with kb being marginally better but more effort?

[trim zinc]

no dtb is better

[arctic bobcat]

Is dtb is easier and does more dmg it seems like more of a no brainer

*if

[trim zinc]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[trim zinc]

i can see all in here

[dark token]

no we are b tier

[royal lantern]

tier set favors DtB

[grim jay]

🔮

[arctic bobcat]

Ah ok

[royal lantern]

KB still good and can see play on some fights

[craggy sierra]

Are we though our rankings overall is second to top

[royal lantern]

like i said:we dont know how the fights will play out on mythic

[solid citrus]

when do you guys use on use trinkets for dragon?

[arctic bobcat]

And for dtb is it amplifying and deadly for lethal and then we only have 2 non lethal right so take both?

[solid citrus]

running the puzzle box

[trim zinc]

before dm

[solid citrus]

kk

[royal lantern]

before dm

and cry

cus the trinket plays so shit

[trim zinc]

puzzlebox kek

[grim jay]

The current rankings are worth nothing. Lower difficulty, not many parses. Many EU guilds didnt even raid thus far for example

[royal lantern]

^ not saying rogue is bad

but like, there are how many parses?

raid was not even out for 24hours in EU when the great thing was linked

rogue will drop down by default imo

it has the good thing that its atleast decent for all fights, but when people start to get tier sets AND figure out fight strats and comps, it will allready look different

[trim zinc]

most important WHEN POEPLE START FARMING

our ST ;-;

[royal lantern]

+fire will get gigabuffs anyway

mages and NOT playing fire lmao

+30% on pyro/flamestrike/fireball/ignite/flamepatch incomming

blizz is always making sure that fire is the best mage spec at everything

[dense cedar]

our dragonriding skills should allow us to defeat Raszageth in a Rodeo battle

[candid slate]

Should I craft 405 dagger if I already have 398 one in mainhand?
Not sim wise, but for future

[next edge]

You have in on the faq

[trim zinc]

like on dtb builds u just vanish to refresh the imp garrote(and use it on cd), and on kb u u vanish before dm cuz pandemic for exsng

[next edge]

wondering if its worth to hold DM 5 secs

to do vanish-garrot- DM

or just send DM and then use impro garrot asap u get it

talking outside opener ofc

[strange python]

Ye u can, recraft to higher lvl will cost like 7 alloys

[trim zinc]

just use on cd, doesnt matter that much

[next edge]

i think its super minimal

so I would just DM and vanish garrot once is up

[sage yew]

anyone else having problem with dragon tempered blades? every time I get a loading screen my poisons just vanish

[nocturne bough]

question - is the COS ring still BIS over every other ring? as in, i should spam COS?

[sweet bobcat]

i dunno bro

rogues seem to be doing a fuck load of damage in both PVP and PVE

[nocturne bough]

yeah on all specs

feels like a nerf is incoming

[sweet bobcat]

literally all specs yeah

im seeing outlaw rogues on stream do 100k dps on boss fights

its actually cracked

[heavy coral]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[nocturne bough]

maybe on primal council

?

[pallid spear]

Does anyone know the exact bonus id for bronzed wrapping r2 + r3 and fang adornemnts r3 ?

[echo geyser]

quick stats

are any bad

secondary

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[echo geyser]

ty nyan

[wide sand]

Hey guys, newbie here. How hard/viable is assa in M+ compared to outlaw? Thinking of maining it for this season

[smoky phoenix]

Idk, i find it personally turbo easy

Press bleed spread, use bleeds, spam fan dump on aoe finisher

repeat

[forest nacelle]

does this happen often when not running IC? for M0's?

[raven knoll]

DevilTrash

[forest nacelle]

thats what i said.

[grizzled jay]

once M+ comes out the only people running m0s must be wanting carries or are extremely casuals who think they are like giga at the game.

[forest nacelle]

i just wanted to get a key xD

guess ill go run a +2

[raven knoll]

There was an NPC in Oribos and I think they added NPC in front of portals in Valdraken. If you ask that NPC nicely he will give you a keystone without you having to go M0.

[outer cairn]

you gonna learn today lol

[forest nacelle]

true

[gusty mirage]

0s are apparently super serious business ig

[peak bobcat]

[gusty mirage]

Tyler have you done any juicy keys yet

[languid pier]

Anyone can tell me the right stat priority?

[gusty mirage]

Yes, the faq can

[steel sorrel]

Crit=mastery then haste

[gusty mirage]

Or

[languid pier]

in wiki it says Critical-)Mastery-)Versa-)haste

[gusty mirage]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[languid pier]

damn

i might have to redeem some selled items xD

Thanks

[peak bobcat]

Yeah a 64 death tojs no leaver

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao

Did a 14 halls yesterday after raid

Holy shit bro it was spooky

[peak bobcat]

Yeah ours was a 15

[raven vapor]

what gems do we want to put in the lariat now? 3 main stat+crit or 1 of each?

not sure how the change has affected it

[gusty mirage]

Fenryr’s wolf buddies obliterated me in 1 global

Through cheat death

Kinda neat

[peak bobcat]

Yeah my tank laughs as he gets randomly one shot

By a random 3 pack of wolves

[outer cairn]

ilvl is king right now. secondary stats aren't to important

[gusty mirage]

I’m pretty sure the main stat ones are unique equipped

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

1 main stat gem, 2 crit mastery

[raven vapor]

oh my bad

[raven vapor]

thanks!

[peak bobcat]

Np

[gusty mirage]

I was confident that I could “easily get a 15 done” this week, less confident after that 14

[outer cairn]

first hallway of jade temple. killed by something on the ground, seeing nothign on the ground

[gusty mirage]

Timed it by 28 seconds

[peak bobcat]

Just pray for a 15 SBG

3 chested a 12

[outer cairn]

sbg easy?

[peak bobcat]

Laughably easy

[gusty mirage]

Turned into a 15 toj, tank goes “wanna try it?”

I alt f4’d

And went to bed

[peak bobcat]

Good call

So pumped I got a heroic dagger last night, and all the agi one handers keep going to the enhance shaman and DHs

[outer cairn]

what's a dagger?

[peak bobcat]

Guess I can’t play outlaw

[grizzled jay]

yeah with raging their bite does like 250k

kinda insane

[fringe token]

Yo, in the excel ark. Assassination crafted gear. Neck/Mastery hp. What does Mastery HP mean?

[simple ore]

I take tricks just for those wolves

I ain't risking a bite

[gusty mirage]

Terros dropped 5 staffs

[grizzled jay]

ive been swapping to cripp for HoV in general. that dungeon requires a lot of kiting lol.

[gusty mirage]

I LOVE group loot

[peak bobcat]

Agi staff drops every time

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

Guess it’s a windwalker weapon

[grizzled jay]

I got norm and heroic terros dagger back-to-back days

[outer cairn]

i'm hoping we get terros on heroic tonight. that dagger would be clutch

[gusty mirage]

When does the catalyst open again?

[grizzled jay]

the other rogue got tier and trinket though

[peak bobcat]

Week 6? Week 8?

One of those

[gusty mirage]

My god

[grizzled jay]

its shorter than SL

[gusty mirage]

See y’all mid January ig

[grizzled jay]

SL was 8 or 9? i think it is 6 or 7 now

[gusty mirage]

We had one zenith token drop

[peak bobcat]

Cursed

[next edge]

im 3p

get fkd

kekw

[smoky phoenix]

What a meme

Also, what's the name of the gem that has agil mainstat again?

[peak bobcat]

Illimited

[gusty mirage]

Sorry can’t see you on the leaderboards

[ruby lotus]

[peak bobcat]

Have to put a work order in for it

[next edge]

OFc u cant because im absolute dog

[gusty mirage]

I was gonna say it’s cuz you play another spec but damn

Didn’t have to do that to yourself

[next edge]

im playing DTB brutha

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

I’m playing DTB

[fringe token]

Yo, in the excel ark. Assassination crafted gear. Neck/Mastery hp. What does Mastery HP mean? @vestal wren

[peak bobcat]

I made two leaderboards let’s go

[grizzled jay]

i tried Sin for Heroic Eranog and it felt so bad lol

[gusty mirage]

Three leaderboards

My heart

[simple ore]

one of the embellishments is mastery while above 90% hp

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Weird, dtb feels great

[peak bobcat]

I made a sub leaderboard

[grizzled jay]

my WAs were just a little wonky probably but it felt like i had a lot to track. but also i haven't really 'mastered' the rotation or anything.

[peak bobcat]

Lost to yoda by 17 dps

[gusty mirage]

Nah nah you beat Yoda

[dapper zodiac]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[next edge]

My main issue is i feel Im just too new on sub to go raid for it

so DTB seems more comfort tbh

[gusty mirage]

Lies you’re a gamer

Trust in yourself

[peak bobcat]

I’m juiced on gear

Besides shit trinkets

[slim hamlet]

wtf

[gusty mirage]

[grizzled jay]

Sub is way more fluid and straight-forward than Sin imo

[peak bobcat]

Yeah on primal council maybe

[grizzled jay]

Opener is super clean and then it has a pretty standard gameplay loop.

[simple ore]

sub is a lot easier to fuck up though imo

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=387335/blue-silken-lining

this one

[grizzled jay]

just don't fuck up

[peak bobcat]

Yeah sub is great until you click dance and can’t hit the boss because you get an RNG mechanic

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193946/blue-silken-lining

the craft item for it

[languid pier]

Sub is good but the energy management is hard to deal with

[smoky phoenix]

For the Illimited Diamond, do people usually require rank 3 for maxing an incribed gem out?

or nah

[languid pier]

Sin with the extra energy +reg is way better

[fluid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[peak bobcat]

This is the best sin has felt in a long time

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t sub use tornado in its opener?

[grizzled jay]

just before dance

if you have it

[gusty mirage]

Mfers be using an aoe cd for danse macabre

And talking about how it feels “smoother”

[grizzled jay]

Tornado doesn't provide a stack

[peak bobcat]

Click sec tech, do 250k

[grizzled jay]

neuron activates

[peak bobcat]

I had one hit for over a mil on council

[gusty mirage]

Hit a fatty envenom crit

For like 130k

[vestal wren]

it does

[gusty mirage]

[charred timber]

hey guys! where should i look to find a blacksmith to craft our dagger?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I don’t want to hear any sub rogues talk about a smooth opener

At all

[next edge]

Bronze grip is 14k rank 2

might just buy that tbh

[grizzled jay]

Tornado is optional oxi, unlike CT

[gusty mirage]

CT isn’t even played in ST

[next edge]

I dont think you play CT on any boss

besides Council

[grizzled jay]

neither is Tornado

[next edge]

lol

[grizzled jay]

[gusty mirage]

It’s not?

You calling fuu a liar

[next edge]

not in st

[gusty mirage]

??

[peak bobcat]

Blue name

[outer cairn]

/2 chat

[grizzled jay]

it's used in the aoe opener if you have it

[vestal wren]

well, you don't play tornado on anything below 3 targets

[next edge]

Probably I will just buy the rank 2 embellishment

tbh

239k for r3 fuck off

[gusty mirage]

Not worth

Just play fangs

[vestal wren]

also off gcd use of dance is smooth ^^

[gusty mirage]

Lower quality, higher crafting skill required

[next edge]

Fang is 16k

[gusty mirage]

Wait for prices to go down

[outer cairn]

sophic is over 100k on ZJ right now

[next edge]

But Fang for now might be worth tho

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s a decent budget alternative

Or just wait a week and the 5 extra skill 2 qual adds won’t matter

[next edge]

My crafted dagger is 389 Sadge

[gusty mirage]

Or at least shouldn’t

[slim hamlet]

This is legit 20 euros

[thorny pond]

What is the % difference between Fang and Bronze grips?

[simple ore]

like 0.2

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[outer cairn]

should be on there

[thorny pond]

kisses

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m not paying 200k gold for 0.3%

[peak bobcat]

For sim bait

[outer cairn]

but the deeps

[thorny pond]

Why I asked lol

[next edge]

so just stay fang r3 lol?

[peak bobcat]

Yeah

[outer cairn]

demand will go down, more ppl will get and be able to make, price will drop

[gusty mirage]

That’s my plan until a guildie can craft it for me

[slim hamlet]

I'm doing that

surely t5 dagger with fang is better than t4 dagger with bronzed

[gusty mirage]

ilvl dif alone > that 0.3%

Esp cuz I’m assuming a lot of you are like me, where daggers aren’t dropping

[slim hamlet]

Rocking that 379 + 372

[thorny pond]

Had to play outlul for Raz N to kill adds, feels badman

[outer cairn]

si

[simple ore]

can't relate, got the diurna dagger

[frigid pilot]

rogue bros at the tippity top 🤝

[peak bobcat]

Just spam fok

[outer cairn]

[languid pier]

where you found that dps tab?

[thorny pond]

I don't think the guildies wanted to hear me swear all evening

[frigid pilot]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T29_Raid.html

[gusty mirage]

Tell your DHs and fury warriors to do more damage dunno

[peak bobcat]

I tell my guildies to pad

I hit one target

Maybe 2

[gusty mirage]

I died for 2 minutes on that fight cuz I checked a text during the knockback

[outer cairn]

garrote and rupture on the add, good enough

[gusty mirage]

Don’t tell my raid leader

[peak bobcat]

[slim hamlet]

Your teammates suck if they would do somehting os horrendous to you

[simple ore]

at least give it an SBS too cmon

[white temple]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[peak bobcat]

Mouseover is so nice, until I accidentally kidney the wrong target in m+

[outer cairn]

not worth the global if the team is blowing it up like they should 😏

[slim hamlet]

skill issue

[languid pier]

which poison are best? mortal/amply? or which

[peak bobcat]

Work in progress

[peak bobcat]

Deadly and amp

[slim hamlet]

Was in enhancement disc a week ago

[simple ore]

surely in that case SBS is a stronger global because upfront damage

[slim hamlet]

they cried that our dmg was too high

[radiant sorrel]

whats the best weapon embellishment currently?

[slim hamlet]

xd

[peak bobcat]

Fang

[outer cairn]

good point

[peak bobcat]

Bronze wrappings is bait

[slim hamlet]

??

[gusty mirage]

Enhancement gamba is my new future

[slim hamlet]

idek wtf "gamba" means

[gusty mirage]

Nah got hot fixed

[peak bobcat]

People who put bronze wrappings probably play static empowerment pot too

[gusty mirage]

Super proc based

[slim hamlet]

wtf

[gusty mirage]

If they proc dps stonks

If they don’t

Tank damage

[slim hamlet]

sounds fun

[gusty mirage]

Their variance is as much dps as shadow priest does

[peak bobcat]

DH in my guild tried to tell me the above 90% mastery embellishment was worth it since he has leech

[slim hamlet]

just a much more fun drunk gambler than outlaw then?

[peak bobcat]

For mythic prog

[slim hamlet]

your guild is on something

[next edge]

so if u reforge fang

the skill increase means nothing no

[gusty mirage]

[next edge]

you just add it on a recraft thats it?

[peak bobcat]

Yes

Recipe gets harder

[next edge]

on raz I just focus big add and SBS the others fuck it

[slim hamlet]

if its same rank

oh if u didnt have before

it adds difficulty

[gusty mirage]

Just die right before intermission, then you don’t have to focus anything

[outer cairn]

question is, can you replace fangs with bronze when it gets cheaper? I assume it lets you do that through recraft

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[simple ore]

yes

[outer cairn]

good. cuz that'd be shitty

[gusty mirage]

You can even change the stats if you want

[slim hamlet]

Been grinding for elemental lariat recipe since the minute of release when I had time

[outer cairn]

haste/vers for the troll

[slim hamlet]

and there is still only 1 guy on tarren mill that has it it seems

[gusty mirage]

I already told my guild I’m selling it if it drops

[slim hamlet]

and he has shitty ass jc skill

[gusty mirage]

9 million gold is 9 million gold

[slim hamlet]

Im fucking crafting

You can make much more than 9 mil

on my server at least

[gusty mirage]

I’m not power leveling another profession

[dark token]

There is one guy on my server who got it

[gusty mirage]

Not today Satan

[dark token]

Entire server is just work ordering him 20k crafts

Over and over

[gusty mirage]

20k is cheap as fuck

[dark token]

He just clicks craft and makes millions

[radiant sorrel]

Couple guys on area 52 has it, 50k commission per is the going rate

[dark token]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

This guy on my server

Cant even craft t5 for no recipe difficulty

[peak bobcat]

Same

[slim hamlet]

and hes trying to sell it for 150k

KEKW

[dark token]

Oh mine was t4 with 30% chance of t5 and I got it

[peak bobcat]

All that for an embell that’s like 400 dps better

[gusty mirage]

9 million gold a lot more useful than a dps bonus

[peak bobcat]

Exactly

[slim hamlet]

For only 392??

[gusty mirage]

I can get a tcg mount I always wanted

[slim hamlet]

How can people only make t4 with no added difficulty

[peak bobcat]

9 million gold and I can finally enchant my gear

[gusty mirage]

Can start using t3 consumables

[peak bobcat]

Big ballers

[next edge]

I mean Fang looks like can stay for lot ofg time

so 16k seems fine

[peak bobcat]

Finally used a t2 cauldron

[gusty mirage]

Our cauldron guy dropped a 1 qual cauldron

So I shamed him

[slim hamlet]

Imagine having a cauldron guy and complaining

[gusty mirage]

The battle potions are cheaper than the phial!

I messaged him and I’m like if there’s a quality minimum for consumables y’all mfers are paying for this shit

[slim hamlet]

I was ready to get rich so i crafted for 200k worth of phials

[gusty mirage]

100k a week in consumes ain’t happening

[slim hamlet]

and thne they insta went down by 40% on reset

wtf

[dark token]

Ye I'm rank 2 only

On everything

[gusty mirage]

Esp cuz phials are 30min only

[dark token]

Except tepid vers which was cheap af

[gusty mirage]

Only 3 qual I got were the runes

[peak bobcat]

Same

[gusty mirage]

Cuz they were cheap enough where it didn’t feel that bad

[peak bobcat]

I bought vers phial

Way cheaper

[gusty mirage]

I went with r2 ele chaos

[peak bobcat]

I’ll use ele for mythic

[slim hamlet]

bro t3 phials are only 1-2k on my server now

was 4k before reset

im so confused

[gusty mirage]

Wtf

[peak bobcat]

Dude im on a dead alliance server

It’s doomed

[slim hamlet]

Wait isnt phials region?

[subtle tundra]

Bcs nobody was buy

[dark token]

Isn't ah regional

Anyway

[slim hamlet]

My guild bought 500 t1 glacial fury

even tho t2 is cheaper

[dark token]

[slim hamlet]

still gonna use them in m+ tho

[vestal wren]

vers tepid is fairly cheap and good

[peak bobcat]

Bis heroic phial

If you are a poor like me

[icy cliff]

how do u guys track garrote / rupture duration on other targets say on 4target council fight? just nameplates or?

[verbal mantle]

Ima trasnfer

[peak bobcat]

Plater

I recommend Cev’s

[slim hamlet]

wait what are phials on you guys server

Because even with 100% t3 you will lose money

on mine right now

so weird

[icy cliff]

isnt ah global

eu / na

not server specific

[slim hamlet]

depends on item

[icy cliff]

[slim hamlet]

ores and herbs for example yes

dont know if phials are since it is consumable

[icy cliff]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr this?

[peak bobcat]

Yes

[charred timber]

do you guys think i should craft the dagger: 405 (no-embelish yet) or 402 (with embelish)?

[slim hamlet]

From what I know it is only reagents/materials

[charred timber]

or can i sim it somehow?

[peak bobcat]

Hm

You can sim it but I’m not sure how crafted gear works, and whispyr is probably getting his 3 hours of sleep right now

[charred timber]

i cant find embelishments on RaidBots

not sure if they exist yet

[smoky phoenix]

You just need the initial primal boost to get the il up right? then you can in theory spam craft for 405?

[icy cliff]

otherwise decent but really dont need to see cripling / deadly duration on nameplate thanks its super good with little bit tuning

[smoky phoenix]

You dont need infusion for every recraft right?

[gusty mirage]

I’ll save you the trouble of simming it, this daggers going in your MH right?

[charred timber]

yes you can spam craft. but its costly

[limber lion]

They're a bit weird so you have to manually add them unfortunately. But an embellishment, or the fang at least, is worth around 500 dps

[gusty mirage]

Correct, only once

[charred timber]

i also have 2 402 daggers

[limber lion]

Also just inspiration proc it to 405 with the embellishment

[gusty mirage]

I’ll inspiration proc you buddy

[peak bobcat]

Yeah just take what you don’t want out of it but I’ll never play without it again

It’s op

[subtle tundra]

eh

[gusty mirage]

Higher ilvl mh should typically be more dps than an embellishment that does 1%

[subtle tundra]

just do 10x16

and get 418

very easy, barely an inconvenience

[gusty mirage]

If you don’t feel like simming it

Good generalized approach to weapons

[dusty zenith]

how are you guys getting ilvl 400 weapons?

[gusty mirage]

Primal infusions

Let’s you craft up to 405

[dusty zenith]

right but are those not super hard to get?

[limber lion]

Shut your mouth or I'll have to kiss it shut

[gusty mirage]

Me rn

[subtle tundra]

you need to do m+11 or higher

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/really-joe-cruz-chicago-fire-is-that-right-i-dont-believe-you-gif-20499596

[limber lion]

Or just kill Raszhageth or however the fuck you spell it

On normal once

[subtle tundra]

oh yea that

[charred timber]

i wanna sim it. but not sure how i can see the dps gain of an embelishment

Atm im wondering which is best: 402-->405 MH? or embelish on OH same ilvl

[slim hamlet]

Wait why would you put it on offhand

just because of embellish

[charred timber]

doesnt matter

[peak bobcat]

Yeah

[charred timber]

both my daggers will be 402

[slim hamlet]

Oh

Just since you specified it as main hand and off hand

[charred timber]

ye myb. i also play outlaw

[slim hamlet]

ew

Sorry

that was instinct

[charred timber]

dw

i feel the same

[slim hamlet]

good

[peak bobcat]

It’s just nice to not play flagellation anymore

[charred timber]

does any1 know how i can sim the gain of an embelishment?

[rancid junco]

How do we play on the council fight I felt super useless to my team , talented into dtb

[dark token]

Switch to sub or outlaw

Sub is chilling easy mode and kinda like sin anyway in playstyle on that

Multidot 4t with 2 target ruptures

[sand elm]

use the m+ IC build. keep ur rupture and garrote up on all 4 of them as best u can. spam fok and CT

[rancid junco]

Okay do we also play kings bane on that ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah if you play IC you’ll play kingsbane

[peak bobcat]

Is DTB that bad on it?

[next edge]

lol

[royal lantern]

more like, IC is good for 4targets

[sand elm]

its not BAD per se, its just the ease from being able to IC every 45s saves u a lot of combo points over the fight

[royal lantern]

and well, like oxi said, if you grab ic,.mightaswell grab KB

[dark token]

Isn't dtb better sustained 4t cleave than carnage build

[peak bobcat]

I just play sub on that boss because it’s too much brain power to quadruple dot and dodge idiot teammates

And does way more damage

[royal lantern]

spoken like a true sub

[rancid junco]

It didn’t feel great

[royal lantern]

real tops play assa

[dark token]

It even kinda feels like sin since you maintain four rupture

[gusty mirage]

Spoken like a person who might shank his guild mates if he ever met them irl*

Because mood

[peak bobcat]

God you’re so right

I def would

I wish assas rupture did as much damage as sub

That shit is CRAZY

[next edge]

Iwould shank anyone here

in fact

[sand elm]

[royal lantern]

a true brit

[next edge]

Im from spain tho KEKW

[royal lantern]

brit at hearth

[peak bobcat]

When is the next stream? I need background content

[gusty mirage]

People actually watch me?

[next edge]

If yo uwere naked

I would

[gusty mirage]

[sand elm]

[royal lantern]

😳

[spice spire]

I’m not a person but yeah

[worn panther]

could anyone do a log review 👉 👈

[spice spire]

I cannot atm, but I can thread it so someone can

Post away sir

[violet jackal]

Uh sometimes I tune in 🙂

[worn panther]

Thanks @spice spire https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rzHhMJkxYcn8AwdX

[lapis osprey]

Heya, I'd like to try assa in keys and I checked rotation guides but I kind of struggle understanding the playstyle past the opener

[rare jackal]

do we have infos on whether or not lariat is a good choice still?

[lapis osprey]

I'm looking to play the kingsbane IC build, and I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to be reapplying rupture to targets or if I just do crimson tempest after the initial rupture

I'm actually not sure whether or not packs live more than 45 seconds so I don't know if I should use vanish for IC or if I should just use it on cd to reapplying garrotes

[rapid forum]

Do we use thistle tea during opener no matter our Energie for the mastery bonus ?

[gusty mirage]

no you only use tea when you need energy

[next edge]

I mean on opener u use it no?

with shiv

[gusty mirage]

I have not followed that at all

tbh

[next edge]

it uses a charge only on opener

[royal lantern]

i mean, you use a lot of energy during the opener

[gusty mirage]

I'm never starved in opener

just built diffy dunno

[next edge]

DM makes u never starve

tbh

but its worth to keep`cahrges rolling imo

[royal lantern]

^ probs the mainreason

[next edge]

on opener

[royal lantern]

like

use it, cus why not, its off gcd

[peak bobcat]

I slam it with shiv in opener

get it on CD

[gusty mirage]

[lapis osprey]

Does no one play sin in keys 😭

[gusty mirage]

wdym

oh

shit my bad dude

[peak bobcat]

It’s on my MFD keybind so it’s natural

Marked for deletion

[gusty mirage]

depending on key level, it's probably not worth using vanish & IC on a trash pack

[lapis osprey]

So you just vanish on cd then?

To reapply garrotes I mean

[gusty mirage]

yea

[lapis osprey]

Noted

[peak bobcat]

As long as the pack will live the garrotes

[gusty mirage]

yeah you don't wanna vanish into 3x garrotes on a pack that'll die before you get value out of it

it's mostly a feel thing, plus we're all still learning the dungos

keep at it and you'll be fine

[lapis osprey]

I got another question

Assuming I've done my opener, got my IC garrote and rupture rolling + crimson tempest

What next? When do I chose to reapply ruptures and when do I use CT/envenom instead?

[karmic scaffold]

out of curiosity how much are people simming around 380 ilvl

[smoky phoenix]

join m+ they see im assassin, kick me, whisper me "ass in m+ is grefing"

write it off

Happens 2 more times

wtf?

[bold lynx]

do you guys know how much is the difference between Bronzed Grip Wrappings and the bleed one?

[lapis osprey]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

if the packs are about to die, just slam a CT or envenom; otherwise I think the general rule is if its 6 or more (someone correct me on this pls I'm just now having my coffee) you just press CT more

if you see they're gonna live a dece chunk of time you can start reapplying ruptures in pandemic

[lapis osprey]

I see, I think I understand better

It feels wrong to just FoK rupture but I guess that's how it goes

[grim jay]

I think I simmed around 53k at that point with raidbots standard consumables and without windfury

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's a lot of spinning plates

[lapis osprey]

One last thing; What about deathmark and KB? Do I just chose a mob and say fuck you to it

[gusty mirage]

and it's a lot of micromanaging a bunch of shit

find the scariest mob

and say fuck you and show him who's boss

[lapis osprey]

Alright

I feel like I got a good grasp of things now, thanks a lot :)

[cobalt hemlock]

anybody on yours servers have Inscribed Illimited Diamond cuz there was none on ah for me

[covert basin]

Is there any particular reason "Bronzed Grip Wrappings Offhand (+1.1%)" isn't for mainhand? Or cant it be on the mainhand

[whole dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[normal mist]

And middle finger him during the DM aswell

[vestal cliff]

which gems we use?

[grand fog]

not on the ah you have to work order it

[upper mesa]

Just looking into Assa for incase i need it.. does the kingsbane spec use amp poison?

[cobalt hemlock]

i see thank you

[oblique tangle]

I believe because rhat way it won't proc healing from leeching poison? Idk

[normal mist]

All that info is in the FAQ

[unreal laurel]

Yeah

[quaint sequoia]

Do you need to have the recipe of the item to recraft it?

[covert basin]

Yeah that makes sense if that's the interaction

[peak bobcat]

I don’t believe so

[oblique tangle]

Weird that fang adornments is also offhand though

[quaint sequoia]

So can I get someone to make me an elemental lariat now as an work order, and then later recraft it with a primal infusion without having the recipe myself

[covert basin]

I was just wondering, the reasoning isn't in the FAQ, but obviously it's a conscious choice

[oblique tangle]

You have to put in a recrafting order

[cursive chasm]

Hi guys any youtube channel you'd recommend with good assa build/discussion ?

[normal mist]

The faq xD

[covert basin]

You can always send recraft by using the recrafting orders

[oblique tangle]

I think they asked for visual media

[normal mist]

Faq has nice images tho 😦

[cursive chasm]

yeah sure xD but I like having a video as a support

it does have nice images in it yeah

but it's kinda overwhelming

[normal mist]

But no, i stopped watching YouTube guides for a long time because YouTubers can just say whatever they want and be spreading misinformation and people will take it as correct information

Then come to discord and "well but infectious said..."

[hearty junco]

do we still craft lariat as 2nd?

[normal mist]

So I atleast do not know any YouTube content creater for assassination builds

[covert basin]

Lariat is still very good yes

[stable apex]

@oblique tangle @covert basin they're both oh because our ideal mh comes from raid and you craft 2nd embellish on neck iirc

[oblique tangle]

I c

Well, I don't have good enough luck for that dagger drop

[stable apex]

Get a high ilvl m+ then or smth

For mh ilvl beats the embellishment usually

But if in doubt

[high nacelle]

SBG loot table is 3 items?

and one is a dagger

[mighty lichen]

Can someone link me the kir Builds please?

[upper mesa]

is there a way to get bonespike off a target dummy

[next edge]

yes

#outlaw

[trim zinc]

wrong channel bud

[quaint sequoia]

yea I get that I can send a recraft order to someone with the recipe, but then they will prob want insanely overpriced commision to press 3 buttons again. What I want to know is if I can recraft a piece myself without having the recipe

[oblique tangle]

Why would you be able to do that?

[karmic scaffold]

anyone know how to sim the embelishments btw

im too smooth brain to find it

[covert basin]

idk people i've recrafted at do it for free atm or at like 1k/recraft

[quaint sequoia]

Elemental lariat aswell? Since ppl are demanding 300k for a workorder for one

[gusty mirage]

most people should offer a recraft if they don't hit max qual

if not they're a piece of shit

charging people 50k-300k for a craft

and then not doing recrafts for free is cringe as fuck

lmao

[quaint sequoia]

Not about qual, I'm talking about adding primal infusion later

Don't wanna pay someone 100k+ for a 392 neck now and pay again to recraft it with primal

[calm grail]

So Bronze gripped working well for Sin should translate to Outlaw right? They're still deciding.

But for you guys it's better than Fang adornments right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah I wouldn't craft until I get the primal infusion

cuz they for sure will charge you for that

[gusty mirage]

yes

[calm grail]

Oxi I know there are fundamental differences between sin and ol but do you think the same logic that makes it better for you than fangs also applies to OL?

[brazen oasis]

can anyone clarify how the neck works? Is the proc only on the primary stat + x gem in the neck or on any gem?

[gusty mirage]

it's just more damage than the fangs

[calm grail]

Also - I heard that weapon enchants and embellishes stay with recrafts, is this true?

[gusty mirage]

they do

can confirm that personally

[calm grail]

Cause Sophic 3 was 90k and I've love to not re-buy it.

Okay thank god.

[gusty mirage]

lemme find you the screenshot

yeah I had a sophic writ 2 on the dagger

recrafted and it stayed, so I slapped a sophic devotion 3 on it

[calm grail]

Yeah I was thinking I wouldn't mind if it stayed

It's a tier-long investment

[gusty mirage]

yeah 80-90k for an enchant is easier to stomach when you kinda keep it all tier

[gusty mirage]

#wow-general message

[brazen oasis]

merci

[gusty mirage]

[simple gulch]

Would you play Kingsbane or dragon tempered for this week?

Does it matter?

[peak bobcat]

I still have writ

I’m not spending $10 on an enchant I refuse

[sand elm]

in what context

[simple gulch]

m+?

[gusty mirage]

if I ever level my enchanter

I gotchu bbg

[raven egret]

DTB for M+, personal recommandation

[gusty mirage]

personal preference, except for nokhud offensive

never play IC in there

totems make IC useless

[outer cairn]

honestly enjoyed IC in M+ last night. Lots of damage on packs and great st with KB and exsang

[simple gulch]

How's assa in m+ compared to sub or outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

slightly worse but still viable

[outer cairn]

Think big difference really is where you lack in the aoe part, you make up for in the utility with the silencing and damage reduction with iron wire

[peak bobcat]

Especially since every pack has 4 kick mobs that non stop cast

[gusty mirage]

yeah free iron bark right on the rip of the pull

is super underrated

[outer cairn]

I had to explain to a couple of my tanks last night what exactly I could do with IC and they were completely unaware of what Sin was actually bringing. They were like, oh that's actually really good.

Then watch yellow bar top the meter on packs and bosses and revel in the fact what happens when people underestimate your capability

[fringe token]

Any dagger crafters here on Tarren mill?

[spiral orchid]

Been noticing that every arena game, my poisons drop while playing assassin. I hate having to click the window to apply, or to have keys specific for 4 damn poisons. Made this macro for a 1 button, 4 click poison application.
/castsequence reset=10 Wound Poison, Numbing Poison, Amplifying Poison, Crippling Poison
I dont use "showtooltip" because this way, it shows the poison it will currently apply. Im not sure if its a known macro, but thought id drop it here.

[flint tusk]

showtooltip doesn't stop it showing the poison. you're putting it in wrong if so

[outer cairn]

that's pretty good. i have a macro but have to click 4 different buttons but i'll probably snag this for dtb cuz god I hate having to reapply poisons. No sin rogue quality of life hotfix

[bold lynx]

do you guys know how much is the difference between Bronzed Grip Wrappings and the bleed one?

[gusty mirage]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

enjoy

[outer cairn]

You could also do gear compare and just take your weapon and add each embellishment and sim it

bronze probably going to do the most, but its also super expensive right now

i should have gotten sophic 3 on zj when it was like 80k. its over 100k right now. sadge

[modest glen]

150k for bronze vs 15k for fangs on my realm

[pale plank]

I am currently working towards Sophia devo 3, I am on zj too, I don’t mind helping u out if u have the mats when I can craft Sophic devo 3

[outer cairn]

Rogues helping Rogues. Gonna send you a DM so I can add you on Bnet later

Gonna try and farm up some of that in the meantime

[dawn haven]

Yo, can someone tell me what went wrong on this pull? Feel like I was following everything correctly but maybe I was missing something fundamental on my second and third cd windows on this pull.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j1r9tcVKxgfp87Fa#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=25

Feel like my deathmark is way too low.

[ruby lotus]

The glowing titan orbs are like 15k a pop on ZJ if i remember right

they pry more now

So def farm those boys

[outer cairn]

I've had like 1 before. I think I got it from the mobs over by Tyr Hold

[peak bobcat]

Tbh this looks pretty good

[cerulean nest]

so recraft from fang adornments to bronze?

[keen raven]

Do we know the optimal time to channel the puzzle box on openers for both ST builds

[outer cairn]

For KB, after ER. For DtB, before DM I believe

It's in the faq on the picture

!faq

thought that was a moroes cmd

[steady glen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dawn haven]

Hm. Maybe it's just my stats/weaps. Looking at other sin rogues having like double my deathmark dps and idk why mine isn't similar, maybe different build?

[peak bobcat]

Before deathmark

[dawn haven]

Oh I'm blind yeh. Nvm they're running the sustain double poison build ok.

[peak bobcat]

Your rotation looks fine for KB, idk how well Kb holds up to compare to DTB

[keen viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[winter gale]

This dagger we crafted

Will we keep it and upgrade it throughout entire tier?

[dawn haven]

From what I'm seeing DTB is just doing more dps tbh. My dps is pretty far below a lot of DTB build sin rogues.

[winter gale]

I am considering to buy Sophic Devotion q3 for it insta

[peak bobcat]

Yes

[ruby lotus]

Well its BIS if you arent gonna mythic raid more then likely

[sand elm]

how good actually is the primal ritual shell? i just got a 385 one

[peak bobcat]

Pretty good

[peak bobcat]

It’s bis in offhand

[winter gale]

I will. We go for Crit/Mastery on it?

[peak bobcat]

Yes

[ruby lotus]

even if you dont have mythic brood? I get the ilvl from that dagger but if you have a 418 crafted would heroic broods still be better for MH?

[sand elm]

isnt it a faff to go get the ritual each time?

[outer cairn]

Sim, but I don't know if the bronze embellishment makes you use the weapon in the OH or not

[raven egret]

Ritual stays on, unless you want to change de buff type no reason to constantly go

[sand elm]

oh so it stays on even through death? (first time getting the trinket so not sure how it works)

[raven egret]

Yep 🙂

[sand elm]

oh awesome. and how do the different blessings work? wowhead has 4 listed in the comments

can u pick which u get?

[peak bobcat]

yes

pick fire

[sand elm]

fire better than mastery?

[peak bobcat]

[sand elm]

okies cool thanks!

[lapis osprey]

Okay guys I'm raiding tonight I have no clue what's going on

Just picked up the spec this afternoon

[gusty mirage]

yeah they fixed that in a hotfix 3-4 days ago

[dreamy elk]

How does DTB playstyle compare to KB? A lot simpler?

[gusty mirage]

yes

and performing better

[sand elm]

cool good to know ty

[dreamy elk]

Hell yeah. Time to look into it.

[lusty widget]

How nervous should we be from the raid logs with rogue top 3? Nerf hammer inc?

[ruby lotus]

the raids been open for 2 days and blizzard isnt going to tune for normal raids ><. This is my copium that we dont get hit by the hammer

[peak bobcat]

Wait for mythic and for everyone to get tier

[ruby lotus]

^

[gusty mirage]

tier will even things out more

if any tuning happens from the data they have now

imo we'll see some buffs

to lower performing classes/specs

[outer cairn]

lower exsang to 1 min

[peak bobcat]

you also have to take into account rogue players are just better and more skilled, so we naturally adapt quicker because we are so handsome

[outer cairn]

😉

[gusty mirage]

exsang most likely getting lowered to non-existence

[gusty mirage]

god you're so hot when you speak the truth

[ruby lotus]

Its rogues turn to be at the top of the DPS only classes. LOCK HUNTER AND MAGE ALWAYS UP THERE

[dreamy elk]

Just wait until fire mage gets their global 30% damage buffs.

[gusty mirage]

you mean when their theorycrafters find random DPS

hiding in under their pillows?

[charred timber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052364147913916436/ST-DT-Rota.png?width=810&height=284

why do we cast kyrian after shiv?

and not before?

[peak bobcat]

I use ER after slice and dice

and then Rupture DM

[grim skiff]

What m+ do we play IC+Kingsbane or DTB? Or its just preference?

[charred timber]

ive seen that variation too

[peak bobcat]

preference

[charred timber]

any reasoning to why one of these ER timing is best?

[peak bobcat]

i mean theyre probably within 30 dps of each other or something

opener really doesn't mean that much

[tawdry dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[charred timber]

what should i look out for most then?

trying to "understand" the spec

[peak bobcat]

make sure you put up garrote from stealth

and reapply the garrote during deathmark with vanish

[charred timber]

ye ofc. im talking about min/max stuff

[peak bobcat]

use buttons on cd

ER, dont overcap bonespike

dont cap on tea

[flint tusk]

what you talking about? remove it's CD completely!

[outer cairn]

lol

[grim skiff]

Doing same overall more or less?

[cerulean nest]

there's no issue with dagger embellishment being on MH for higher ilvl while still gearing up right?

[peak bobcat]

correct

[peak bobcat]

yeah its equal dam

[cerulean nest]

ty

[flint summit]

So deathmark basically copies the bleeds for 16 seconds, you can deathmark and immediately vanish pandemic refresh a garrote and it’s still fine for whatever is left of Deathmark? Idk why but I was treating it like exsang where you can’t refresh dots after.

[grim skiff]

Okay, ty!

[peak bobcat]

it duplicates existing and anything during

so you want to vanish garrote during for a duplicated empowered

[scenic kelp]

when i play DTB build do i hold the third ER for DM comes up or just on cd?

[peak bobcat]

on cd

[scenic kelp]

k ty

only vanish for the double IG right?

[peak bobcat]

yes

[scenic kelp]

ty!

[peak bobcat]

only thing you should hold is one shiv for DM aslong as you dont overcap

[queen crest]

Have y’all been enjoying Assassination in M+ so far? I haven’t tried it yet cause I usually play Outlaw for M+ and mostly Sin for raid but I really wanna give it a shot, especially on Tyrannical next week.

[sweet bobcat]

is assa still good in all these cleave fights?

[queen crest]

I’ve played Assassination on every fight except Council so far and it’s been good. Spamming FoK for small ad packs has been working fine and with the elementals on Kurog spreading poisons/bleeds has been easy.

[peak bobcat]

yeah Assas is good on every fight

[sweet bobcat]

sweet

more an all rounder spec then

[peak bobcat]

Council mythic will probably be a sub or outlaw fight

[sweet bobcat]

sweet

[umbral rapids]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rancid junco]

Vesper did council with a sin rogue

[peak bobcat]

well it does less damage

so kind of trollin

[slim hamlet]

Does enchants and gems stay on gear when recrafted?

Any knowers?

[peak bobcat]

Yes

even buzzing rune stays

lol

[slim hamlet]

Poggers

Time to spend my 70k hard earned gold

[umbral rapids]

you just smack shiv on CD if no kingsbane?

[drifting cloud]

no they didnt check the vod instead of trusting wowhead

[granite widget]

r.io says outlaw

[spice spire]

Well don’t stack them (if two charges) but yes

[umbral rapids]

Yeah just press on CD

and chain them

hold if deathmark is coming up ?

[spice spire]

For min max, same rules as before seems right

[umbral rapids]

as before ?

you mean with vendetta?

[midnight vortex]

Anyone on Tarren mill that can craft daggers?

[peak bobcat]

Press on CD hold one for DM but don’t overcap

[umbral rapids]

ok so just press everything on CD

gotcha

[royal lantern]

dont think

just slam

[umbral rapids]

welp

[ruby lotus]

That sounds very hunter of you

[umbral rapids]

now if afenar could show ER CPs correctly

[umbral rapids]

dw i main outlaw, burnt all my brain cells already

zugzug

[spice spire]

Does it not for you? Mine does

Mine always shows sbs even when it’s not talented tho

[umbral rapids]

the shiny ones are supposed to be ER

[viral talon]

does a 2nd dagger with higher ilvl improve damage over another piece of gear such a chest or legs?

[umbral rapids]

"shiny"

[spice spire]

Gross

[drifting cloud]

are you still necro and havent updated afenar in like 2 weeks maybe

[umbral rapids]

well i'm playing sin, we threw decendy out of the window at this point

(ok i stop)

[thorny pond]

typically but you gotta sim to know. Lots of variables

[spice spire]

I updated release week and yeah still necro is that actually the reason?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[umbral rapids]

no way

[viral talon]

thanks brother, say lses

primal dagger inc

[drifting cloud]

its showing the cov in that slot just update them should be good

[spice spire]

Should be common sense to do so but I’m an idiot

Ty mister ryler

[rigid comet]

guys if you recraft the embelished weapon does it lose the enchant?

[drifting cloud]

oh I was g etting triggered by the flag aswell dont worry

[thorny pond]

negative

[rigid comet]

you maintain everything? it just goes up in ilvl?

[outer cairn]

yes

[rigid comet]

tysm

[outer cairn]

"Nothing is true; everything is permitted."

[rancid junco]

My apologizes I haven’t seen the vod

[digital mica]

With the DTB build am I supposed to pool energy after every envenom to double multilate? I feel like I'm not bursting enough at all.

[umbral rapids]

@spice spire same for RC? on CD and hold it for deathmark on no line up?

[open rapids]

I feel like the value of execute on prog outweighs the DTB damage? Is this just me trying rationalize using KB over boring ass DTB??

[spice spire]

Why the fuck am I blanking here. What is RC

[next edge]

I feel that Sin is rly GCD locked

sometimes us truggle

but not that many

[peak bobcat]

Kyrian

[next edge]

I mean, if you are ato low energy, all bleeds are up

[spice spire]

Oh er

Resounding clarity

[outer cairn]

lol

[next edge]

you can hold a bit then press

[spice spire]

Nah full send

[peak bobcat]

DTB has 2 points in zold man

[spice spire]

It’ll line up in the opener and at uh 6 minutes

[peak bobcat]

Why are people coping so hard on this INSANE KINGSBANE EXECUTE

[next edge]

I mean

[open rapids]

Yeah then I’m rationalizing

God i hate DTB

[next edge]

if youre super low energy no tea

IMAGINE that happens

[outer cairn]

because 3 is more than 2

[next edge]

I would hold enveom a bit

[open rapids]

Kingsbane is so much fun

[next edge]

to envenom-muti

for master planer

[outer cairn]

[peak bobcat]

Kingsbane is fun to press

[open rapids]

Probably the minority but i hope DTB gets nerfed

[peak bobcat]

Until you have to play the entire shit build with it

[spice spire]

Ain’t ever happened to me in my life

Guess I’m simply constructed in a different manner

[next edge]

Sometimes im low on energy

[umbral rapids]

erm ER yeah

[next edge]

but thats beacuse im shit player

[spice spire]

(I’m memeing mister lambda)

[next edge]

(send nudes to compensate)

[outer cairn]

same. i typically just spam mut

[spice spire]

I legit played the most vomit worthy gameplay of my life last night

[open rapids]

Because i hate DTB and find it boring AF

[spice spire]

Brethren?

[umbral rapids]

faq says to just not overcap tea

[spice spire]

Making calls while having to think about what im@doing makes me

[umbral rapids]

"or for 100 energy"

but like... always?

[spice spire]

Not in the beginning

[umbral rapids]

i'm just hitting a dummy right not i could press it all the time idk

[peak bobcat]

On ST you will run out of energy

[spice spire]

Thats the one time you won’t like

Use it for energy

Rest

Yeah

[umbral rapids]

so are you just out of charges all the time in ST?

[spice spire]

Nah

I do run out of charges

But it’s not all the time