assassination

[distant mesa]

Wowhead on crack then

[jaunty lotus]

It's pretty close to sub but outlaw is still way off

[balmy condor]

yeah so

here's a little industry secret

tier lists exist to get clicks and views

and farm ad revenue

[tawdry flare]

People post tier lists, so people can argue about tier lists

[distant mesa]

i rarely look at those. it was just like please god no

[balmy condor]

95% of them

are just meaningless trash

neither me nor guy were asked about this

[deft vault]

also theres more to raiding than single target

[balmy condor]

they just decided to swap them

because like

why not

[crystal wadi]

do you guys think waiting to craft my daggers is the play? or recraft

[distant mesa]

yikes

[balmy condor]

I would wait

[crystal wadi]

also, whispyr ty for the hard work 😄

[jaunty lotus]

It was nerfed though, law states that if it is nerfed then it's dead

[hexed root]

im just going to copy JPC come tuesday

[jaunty lotus]

Like tanks according to the forums

[sharp falcon]

Havoc must be cat then, 9 lives

[crystal wadi]

jpc has all of the specs literally

[balmy condor]

blueshell.png

[distant mesa]

appreciate what you do. just wanting assa to stay up top

[sharp falcon]

blueshell gif is one of my favorites

[tawdry flare]

Because, content baby. That's the NAME OF THE GAME

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to rig the sims as much as possible to keep assa on top

realz is making it a challenge though

glare

[drifting cloud]

[distant mesa]

its my main spec of the class

[sharp falcon]

sin's identity involves being at least 'pretty good' on ST, nothing is ever promised of course but that's usually pretty reliable given current landscape of abilities

[crystal wadi]

this game keeps giving me like 279 axes/swords/maces, making it real hard

[distant mesa]

dont wanna degen sub and play boring outlaw 😦

[jaunty lotus]

Realz and the team gave us the most funny outlaw change though. Half the forum is saying outlaw got buffed and is busted the other half is saying it was nerfed and is dead

[balmy condor]

yeah assassinations single target pretty gud

I do say

two viable builds

[tawdry flare]

BORING?! That's fucking bait

[balmy condor]

good execute

it's good shit

[sharp falcon]

sub isn't that degen, it's pretty straightforward, with room to control your own destiny to some degree, feels good

[distant mesa]

you heard me

[balmy condor]

outlaw haters rise up

[distant mesa]

pressing a button to do top dps witha single target rotation and not manage annything is..... boring to me

[sharp falcon]

outlaw can be somewhat degen (my wrist hurts) but def disagree on boring =p

[hexed root]

all i care about is sub not being viable pve

[tawdry flare]

I thought we had something special

[sharp falcon]

worst take

[jaunty lotus]

Outlaw is a joy to play, you guys did a great job there

[balmy condor]

yeah, carpel tunnel

[hexed root]

sub is terrible

[sharp falcon]

"i want others to suffer, just cuz" is silly =p

[tawdry flare]

I just got smoked in 4k

[balmy condor]

sub is a pvp spec

[jaunty lotus]

I just want DFA sub, pressing symbols + dance while coming down from the jump was just... Satifying

[balmy condor]

[tawdry flare]

hook, line...

[balmy condor]

sin is raid spec, outlaw is m+ spec, sub is pvp spec

[hexed root]

1000%

[tawdry flare]

[hexed root]

thats how it should be tbh

[balmy condor]

no

[dense herald]

Realz, not sure if intended, but I’m loving the idea of each spec having strengths and weaknesses - sin ST, outlaw cleave, sub for heavy aoe but also reasonable in most target counts

[balmy condor]

that's not how it should be

[upper frigate]

Which specs can do 100k st?

[balmy condor]

that's the dumbest thing I've heard

[tawdry flare]

Anyone got a HMMCouncil

[hexed root]

im glad you said it whispyr

[balmy condor]

0

[hexed root]

because i agree with you

[sharp falcon]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif

[upper frigate]

really?

[balmy condor]

yes

really

[hexed root]

pin please

[balmy condor]

every spec doing 100k single target got nerfed like 5 weeks ago

[upper frigate]

on the spreadsheet assa does like 93k right

[balmy condor]

yeh

[tawdry flare]

cough BOOMIE cough

[balmy condor]

I think enhance has some super rng spec

where they do 96?

[upper frigate]

so assa is the closest to 100k st? or who wins

[balmy condor]

but anything above 90 is already really good

[junior aurora]

just get lucky 4head

[tawdry flare]

Yeah, they do 96k or 96 total

[hexed root]

i wonder how long until we get squished again

[jaunty lotus]

I would guess assa can do 100k on some pulls? Would need to look at the distribution

[balmy condor]

nice variance

[faint bramble]

if i only have daggers would it be better to do sub in M+ and assa in raid?

[upper frigate]

can you link the page pls

[balmy condor]

no

[tawdry flare]

"Gamba" enhance out here playing a fucking gotcha game

[upper frigate]

for a pic?

[balmy condor]

I mean I could link it

I'm not going to

because people take it out of context

cause they just see shiny numbers

you can find it yourself if you'd like

but I'm not enabling that behavior

[sharp falcon]

I'm not closely in-tune with most specs, are there many with ST sims over 90? Though from what I've seen not every class is equal in terms of quality of sims either, really depends on the community making and maintaining them -- Rogue is quite good in that regard it seems

[hollow river]

does anything drop daggers in dragonflight? holy ****

[distant mesa]

yeah

[hexed root]

wdym take stuff out of context?

[upper frigate]

so on the class dedicated discord you hold info from other members o.O

[balmy condor]

there arent that many from what I've seen, maybe 3 or 4 from what I know

[hexed root]

i thought you were 10000% correct with this statement:

[junior aurora]

demo and destro dont even have sims yet lol

[sharp falcon]

also is that Enhance thing the one where it assumes there's another enhance in the party with WF spec'd, but the sim one doesn't have it spec'd, doesn't have to drop it, but benefits from it?

[crystal wadi]

i feel this 10000%

[sharp falcon]

so yeah, double enhance to pump one of them, must be a good idea

[balmy condor]

would be the one, yes

[hexed root]

sims will confuse me til i die. wtf do I want 1 mast enchant and 1 haste enchant?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/84HUqeD3hHruB55wsrBKRx

[balmy condor]

you want the top one, which is double sophic

[hollow river]

YnEoS

[balmy condor]

oh

the rings

yeah the rings are whatever

[hexed root]

yea the rings

[balmy condor]

stats are really close

[sharp falcon]

i wonder if any RWF players have anything up their sleeves for spec'ing or gearing that outperforms current "BIS" sims, will be really interesting to see

[balmy condor]

so it'll spit out random stuff like that

[jaunty lotus]

We need an assa sim that assumes you get 100% uptime on PI, easy 100k

[hexed root]

gothca gotcha

[sharp falcon]

yeah basically this lol

[balmy condor]

I'm not privy to exactly what they're doing, but from what little I know, I don't think the rogues are doing anything crazy at least

[sharp falcon]

4 Restless Crew outlaws + 1 Assassin, amirite ?

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xtoNpsXdQAcBxp65j4T6jF my rogue right now

[umbral rapids]

Rip Restless Crew 2022-2022

[jaunty lotus]

RIP restless crew, we barely knew ye

[hexed root]

wwtb your luck on 380+ items

[tawdry flare]

Restless was so broken but so cool. I wish we could've kept it in a nerfed fashion

[hexed root]

how can I sim being a tauren?:)

[distant mesa]

when they started dropping i was shocked tbh

[sharp falcon]

reminds me, in some future patch i should change like 1 value or tooltip letter on unused Restless Crew spell so that when it gets datamined someday, everyone will freak out and think it's back

[balmy condor]

there's a race= line at the top

[umbral rapids]

Ok no.

[balmy condor]

change it tauren

[hexed root]

ohhhh

nice

ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

okay calm down satan jesus

[umbral rapids]

That’s genius

Do it

[balmy condor]

do you have any idea what kind of shit show happened in here when poisons got tuned and it included slaughter poison in early beta?

I had to reassure people that slaughter poison was not going to be a thing

it was miserable

[jaunty lotus]

Add shadow dance back to the outlaw CDR tooltip on a PTR patch, then revert. Watch people lose their mind

[balmy condor]

social experiment

[sharp falcon]

old unused spell that technically still happens to be in a poison catch-all spell class, i assume... so anytime something buffing 'all poisons' shows up, it lists the old unused thing too

[balmy condor]

for how fast you can create a system of anarchy in an otherwise self-ruled orderly group

could write a paper on hive mentality with some of the takes in here after a tuning pass

[jaunty lotus]

What is slaughter poison?

[gusty mirage]

old flagellation

[distant mesa]

they dont know.....;

[balmy condor]

it was flagellation before flagellation

[distant mesa]

🙂

[jaunty lotus]

Oh

[hexed root]

wtb flag > er

god I hate echoing

[balmy condor]

in shadowlands beta they copy pasted deadly poison and made it shadow damage and called it slaughter poison, as well as copy pasting ambush as a shadow damage spell called slaughter, presumably to try and do something with it

[gusty mirage]

you keep your mfd gameplay, I trust the future

[balmy condor]

but it never materialized

and we got flag instead

[jaunty lotus]

I prefer ER over flag

[hexed root]

give me new abilities, not old ones

lazy devs

/rant

[umbral rapids]

But you want flag

[hexed root]

over echoing

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'm so over deathmark

[umbral rapids]

Right

[gusty mirage]

what a tired old cooldown

[jaunty lotus]

They did, it's called evoker

[balmy condor]

carnage is so old smh

[gusty mirage]

also indiscriminate carnage, what a snoozer

been around forever

[hexed root]

lets go back to shadowlands talents. too many choices now.

[balmy condor]

I mean it is a snoozer, in nokhund

[gusty mirage]

I told you not to play it

[balmy condor]

dude it was pain

I knew it was bad

but like

yeouch

[umbral rapids]

What happened there?

[gusty mirage]

dumpsters half of IC

every single totem pack

[balmy condor]

there's packs of mobs with a totem

and totems are immune to bleeds

[umbral rapids]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

so if you IC

and the bleed hits a totem

it fails

and nothing gets the bleed

[umbral rapids]

:O

No

[simple ore]

bait people into rerolling rogue just to make feral better, I like it :^)

[umbral rapids]

That’s messed up dude

[tawdry flare]

Oh so what you're saying is... 🛁 🔌

[balmy condor]

the solution is pull bigger, that way you can RNG into your bleeds missing the totem

if carnage doesn't pick the totem, it's not immune

so it's fine

[jaunty lotus]

Or play outlaw and just blade flurry it

[balmy condor]

it's just a ploy to get your tank to do a giga pull

[tawdry flare]

Honestly this is probably why outlaw is my favorite, no joke

The fact that I literally only have to press one button, to do AOE

[umbral rapids]

[jaunty lotus]

We need the low quality bait emoji here

[tawdry flare]

It should only be like 4 pixels

[jaunty lotus]

It's just a pixelated version of

[umbral rapids]

?

Oh

[tawdry flare]

Just run the image through a compressor 5 or 6 times

[umbral rapids]

Cursed

[tawdry flare]

That looks great, quite big though

[balmy condor]

[distant mesa]

[balmy condor]

minimalist art

[distant mesa]

🙂

[umbral rapids]

[gusty mirage]

needs more jpeg

[tawdry flare]

[umbral rapids]

This channel is great I should come visit you guys more often

[tawdry flare]

You should definitely visit 10 minutes after a blue post mentioning rogues

[umbral rapids]

The exsang nerf day was 10/10

Peak entertainment

[jaunty lotus]

Especially if it mentions exsang

[tawdry flare]

100% the shit post level was off the charts

[distant mesa]

exsang builds are fun, when there isn't a billion things to manage

[gusty mirage]

yeah this channel has 3 modes:

dooming, shitposting, and talking about food

[tawdry flare]

This was still my favorite moment.

[umbral rapids]

Lmaooooo

[distant mesa]

yeah like I said, I dont enjoy the ability but I play it cause top damage

[balmy condor]

you sure it's not this?

[distant mesa]

oh my

[tawdry flare]

Oh fuck, I had kind of forgot about that one

[trim zinc]

That's a rly good one

[tawdry flare]

Here I am trying to go to sleep, and I'm laughing my ass off

[distant mesa]

don't come here right before bed

beacuse you stay for what felt like 10m and its 3 hours later

[trim zinc]

I do this every single night
Like I'm doing rn

;-;

[distant mesa]

haha

[jaunty lotus]

Don't remind me, I have to wake up in 4 hours

[distant mesa]

i purposely am here about 2 hours before bed

[tawdry flare]

I still can't figure out who's more doomer, warriors or rogues

[umbral rapids]

OMG WHISPYR HAHA

[echo cargo]

He’s savage as fuck

[umbral rapids]

I think default behavior it’s warriors

On blue posts it’s us

Not even close

[pallid kiln]

kind of a noob question guys im trying to test my dps and diff builds b4 raid on wednesday but having vanish as a vital part of my rotation it just messes up my details so i cant get a good reading on the dps im doing is there any way around this?

[tawdry flare]

Raidbots should be able to help you with that

[umbral rapids]

Dynamic overall

[umbral rapids]

What?

[pallid kiln]

cheers

[tawdry flare]

I assume he just meant sims sorry

[pallid kiln]

raidbots sims my dmg but that isnt a good representatiopn of what i can personally do

[balmy condor]

sim a target dummy fight on raidbots using the fight type drop down, then start a log and hit a dummy for 5 minutes, compare the two

should be able to hit it, or at least get close

[pallid kiln]

ye my problem was when i vanish i drop combat and my details resets etc

[balmy condor]

yeah that's why you log

[umbral rapids]

That’s why he sai… yeah that

[pallid kiln]

ahh i see

[jaunty lotus]

Or reset details and use overall

[balmy condor]

my details hates dummy fights on overall

can never make it work

logs are just easier to see and compare casts and damage and stuff as well imo

much easier to find where you're going wrong

[umbral rapids]

I reset everytime ye

[pallid kiln]

does anyone have logs themselvs i can compare too

[umbral rapids]

Logs are objectively better

But also i cba

[jaunty lotus]

Did they fix dummy logging?

Last I tried it was broken and didn't see the fight

[hexed root]

apparently simply modifying that race line in simc isn't accurate:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aeyw3JspEacDPkbCoDjBUY

[umbral rapids]

I can log so yes?

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XvrwJjf2gn4CmRaM/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=10&start=3249&end=312050

for reference my target dummy sim is 28.4

[jaunty lotus]

You have a mace on main hand

[balmy condor]

so I'm pretty close

[balmy condor]

his sim earlier had that too

[hexed root]

that's weird

[jaunty lotus]

Outlaw brain too strong

[hexed root]

which one? pretty sure I've only linked my sin ones

[balmy condor]

common outlaw player L

[balmy condor]

^

your equipped in this one had a mace

[tawdry flare]

[hexed root]

huh i don't see a mace in that one

[balmy condor]

yeh dunno

[hexed root]

i definitely swapped specs and had mace equipped but removed it from the choices on the sim

[balmy condor]

I was simming with it earlier for fun

because different profiles are interesting

and it kept defaulting to a fucking mace

and it was pissing me off

so I stopped

[hexed root]

lel

[serene sierra]

For Sin pvp I go haste/vers and then vers/mastery pieces with no haste right?

[tawdry flare]

I prefer the term cudgel

[hexed root]

did you get one over 53k?

[umbral rapids]

Here here

[balmy condor]

idk wasn't trying

I just was playing with it

[hexed root]

[balmy condor]

yeh

[serene sierra]

tyty

[brazen zodiac]

whisp!

[balmy condor]

yuh

[broken bloom]

what spec is simming the highest?

[balmy condor]

🔮

beast mastery enhancement demon warrior

[broken bloom]

answer noodle boy

[balmy condor]

no one really knows

[broken bloom]

ty

[pallid kiln]

can someone give me a quick rundown on how to log a training dummy just tried it but epicly failed

[balmy condor]

/combatlog in chat to start, /combatlog to end

then warcraftlogs uploader upload a log

include trash fights

it'll show up as unknown or whatever

[pallid kiln]

ahh thanks

[rain oyster]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vital rampart]

Why don't we take exsang on the DTB consistent damage build on the FAQ?

[dim yacht]

how are sin rogues feeling going into mythic+? im feeling hyped to do actual damage again

[balmy condor]

because its less damage

[vital rampart]

Ok I must have misread somewhere that said exsang after nerfs was still good in all situations ty

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vital rampart]

So basically the DTB build is just non-execute focused for ST and the other one is more execute focused st?

[balmy condor]

you take it on kingsbane builds

and you can take it for prio in m+

but no bleed talents = no exsang

and dtb doesn't take bleed talents

[balmy condor]

yep

[vital rampart]

ok sounds good ty ty

[hasty vale]

Hey, are there WF sims out yet?

[balmy condor]

no

[hasty vale]

Windfury that is.

Okay Ty ^^.

[pallid kiln]

if you apply garrote from stealth then press garrote again overlapping it does that reduce the dmg garrote does?

[balmy condor]

are we talking like

gar -> wait 3-4 seconds -> gar

or gar -> insta gar

cause improved garrote lasts 3 seconds

[pallid kiln]

this

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's a big no no

would be wasting the improved garote

[pallid kiln]

ahh right i was wondering why my garote was so low comparatively

[strange python]

Hey so I need help

[balmy condor]

yeah same

that's why I go to therapy

[hollow river]

[strange python]

So im new to rogue

Or well i tried playing it back when i was trying to go for all da legion mounts but pretty much i wanted to try playing it since the talent change.

Butt..my main like xD thing is..is the class easy to learn? cause like my mains are unholy dk, fury warrior, proc and ret pally and demon lock..but i like the idea of rogue

[balmy condor]

depends on what's easy to learn for you I guess

the discussion of which spec is the hardest/easiest comes up a lot

and depending on who answers, you get different responses each time

outlaw is hard cause it's too fast

outlaw's easy cause you just press everything on cooldown

[steel ridge]

Thats a lot of „mains“

[balmy condor]

sub's hard cause cooldown syncing

[strange python]

Its more or less their rotations are more my taste

[balmy condor]

sub's easy cause it's very generate-spend-generate-spend

[strange python]

in a sense i can easily pull a bunch of guys with them using the talent builds from icy veins (causeee honestly im not good with picking talents) and just murdering

I don't really plan on doing mythic raid or high keys,

Just general low mythics, lfr

[balmy condor]

I mean then it's kinda whatever

isn't it

[simple ore]

My spec is hard because I play it and all the other specs are brain dead easy specs that don't deserve to do more damage than mine :)

[balmy condor]

every spec in the game can do piss easy content

[strange python]

Its more or less can i pull big and not really worry about it when im doing open world

XD and yes i know thats more tanks but like its just a general like, i dont enjoy having to burst cds on one or two adds

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

sounds like outlaw to me

they don't have any cooldowns!

or they have like 6

depends on how you see it I guess

[steel ridge]

I wanna pull big

teach me senpai

[still horizon]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[dusk summit]

Is there a base Haste we should shoot for?

before just doing crit and mastery

[balmy condor]

more than 0 less than 10000

[drifting cloud]

ah shit I got 11k haste

[balmy condor]

damn

yeh you're gonna want to delete your character

and start over

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[solid mica]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pure blaze]

Is it normal to not hit the quick sim dps on dummies? I seem to be able to hit the simmed dps on outlaw but not sin.

[sharp falcon]

finally it's feral reroll channel now

[balmy condor]

Did you sim target dummy?

[balmy condor]

[pure blaze]

Raider's training dummy

the sim is patchwerk

[balmy condor]

Yeah can’t do that

[pure blaze]

no execute phase I assume

[balmy condor]

Need to sim target dummy

No execute phase and it also disables all raid buffs

[pure blaze]

okay thank you

[sharp falcon]

good idea: Feral gets Cheat Death but it has 8 charges, so that u have to die 9 times to really die because cat 9 lives obviously

[balmy condor]

Thematic

[sharp falcon]

cant argue with fantasy

[subtle tundra]

Good

[sharp falcon]

that's just fair

[balmy condor]

I agree with it though

But only if the charges don’t recharge

[sharp falcon]

9 deaths --> reroll ?

[balmy condor]

You have 9 lives for the entirety of the character

[sharp falcon]

we HC now

[balmy condor]

After which it auto logs you out

And deletes the character

[subtle tundra]

You have to swap boomkin

[balmy condor]

Truly a fate worse than death

[sharp falcon]

I'm a fan of a very old OG roguelike, Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, the feline race in that game can die up to 8 times without losing, normal is 1 death = new run for everyone else. (It's not a very strong race despite that bonus)

[balmy condor]

Seems kinda unlucky

That you get 9x the lives

And still suck

[sharp falcon]

they're not like, a humanoid with cat features

just an intelligent actual cat

so they can't wear most armor or use most weapons, and they're about the size of a housecat so they don't hit terribly hard with their natural claws. They're a little faster than normal and stealthy, so have to rely on avoiding unfavorable encounters and using spells, which is very challenging for inexperienced players

[balmy condor]

So I assume they get stat penalties for not having opposable thumbs?

Ah

I See

[spice spire]

They just like me

[flat laurel]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[simple ore]

bcrawl?

[marble hemlock]

A fellow dcss enjoyer, i like you. Octopods are the best though, just hard to find 8 randart rings

[sharp falcon]

eh, never got big into modded versions, although I did make a couple mods myself and submitted them to main crawl, they just got denied. I think a couple mods used one of the things as a basis to include in their mods though, with a few changes

one of the things they did eventually add was spell-on-quiver, which was one of my suggestions

[marble hemlock]

im not a big fan of some of the more recent changes, like getting rid of food i kinda disliked

[sharp falcon]

yeah i have mixed feelings about food

i got used to it for sure and i still chop corpses constantly lol, it's a hard ritual and muscle memory to break

[marble hemlock]

was one of the main draws for smth like mummy casters since they didnt need food to be able to cast lots of highlevel spells

[sharp falcon]

well sure yeah, removal definitely had more impact than just changing the game's 'clock'

[simple ore]

I always played bone bois so never dealt with food

[marble hemlock]

think over the last 2 years ive mostly played tome4 as my go-to roguelike

the chopping corpses in crawl was definitely one of those habits that was hard to kick

[sharp falcon]

though i do think the association of food with spellcasting and essentially being a significant limiting factor was unhealthy. Huge turn off for new players that breaks ppls brains, to say a game is a classic fantasy setting with swords and spells but swinging a sword is infinite and free and casting a spell has limits from 5 angles, even at the lowest levels

[marble hemlock]

thats definitely true. playing a spellcaster in that game already had many drawbacks and some "unintuitive" mechanics like the noise of spells, that were hard to really get your head around

or finding the right spellbooks just being super rng

[sharp falcon]

I was always on the opposite side of that argument

By the elite cabal of TRUE CRAWL CONNOSIEURS, the consensus was that noise = always bad, noise values are a really important balance point of spells or other things that cause it

[marble hemlock]

think its one of the main reasons why most regular players dont really try other gods beyond vehumet/sif for casters 😦

[sharp falcon]

mana is the main reason for those

[marble hemlock]

oh absolutely, casting a firestorm in a vault was always a terrible idea

too much noise 😦

[sharp falcon]

but yeah, noise is incredibly powerful, imo

[marble hemlock]

noise and speed

cheibriados enjoyer

[sharp falcon]

it lets you control monsters by drawing them off screen to a position of your choice

it even helps on the most dangerous of floors, on those insane depths floors where you get an entrance vault, one of the best things you can do is do something extremely loud and then teleport

get as many enemies going that way and then go literally anywhere else

[marble hemlock]

i definitely liked how there were a bunch of counters to most strategies, like not allowing cblink or cteleport later on

[sharp falcon]

Yeah I have a nice chei 15rune game some versions ago I played in the tournament, very solid low turncount run

[marble hemlock]

[sharp falcon]

it was a bit cheaty since this was when the new grabby hands necro spell was still in the starting necro book, and gnoll was newish as well and good at everything

but... still, fun run

[flat laurel]

When i sim, it wants me to use Primal Ritual Shell, guessing im going for wind buff ey?

[sharp falcon]

I haven't played much over the last few versions, but I did a greaterplayer run, and my best streak is 10

[marble hemlock]

thats insane

[flat laurel]

Doesnt say on the sim which ritual i should take

[sharp falcon]

I'll stop now since this is pretty offtopic and it's just me and Seli talking here =p

[marble hemlock]

not like anything else was going on in here until now! 😄

[sharp falcon]

my GP run, only played this account for that purpose and nothing else: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/realzgp.html

2017... lol

[marble hemlock]

[sharp falcon]

playing every race, background, and god in as few games as possible is the idea, so only overlap a very small bit at the end

[marble hemlock]

27 wins in a span of 45 days... thats insane 😄

[sharp falcon]

learned a lot doing that run, for sure

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JtPLN/73178b76a5.png

[sharp falcon]

can't say I remember specifics =p

[marble hemlock]

yeah, ive sunk a lot of time into crawl at some point, but then also didnt play in years

variety is the spice of life, but then im also struggling to get into "new" roguelikes. i.e. i always wanted to get into elona but never managed to do so, sadly

always went back to games i already knew like tome or crawl

[sharp falcon]

yeah, tbh when it comes to classic roguelikes I think it's fine to have a favorite or comfort zone, there's not that much more to learn by knowing everything about the games that were inspiring each other at the time

variety among modern takes is more valuable, informative, variable in experience

[tough ferry]

curious - for bronzed grip wrappings do you need to just keep ordering it to try get a level 3 or if you supply all level 3 mats will it be lv 3?

[marble hemlock]

definitely. the amount of time ive read up on the wiki about certain enemies that ended my runs at every corner to slowly improve and learn how to deal with some of the super annoying ones... just gives you a feeling of comfort that is hard to acquire in a new game

[tough ferry]

anyone know?

[marble hemlock]

its the same as any other item, itll depend on the skill of the crafter

the best bet is always to go into trade and look for a crafter that can guarantee it at rank3, or have a high inspiration chance to get it

but very few items like these are able to be crafted at rank3 with 100% guarantee

[sharp falcon]

hades, slay the spire, enter the gungeon, terraria, dead cells, FTL... etc etc, list goes on

[tough ferry]

are a lot of these craft bis 100% neccesary or a waste of gold?

for raiding etc

[sharp falcon]

if you want roguelike variety I'd stay modern tbh

[tough ferry]

gonna be getting back into mythic

[solar tangle]

hades was so good, hades II was announced yesterday or so Hypers

[marble hemlock]

especially when youre looking for more action oriented gameplay, for sure

ive always liked it when it had a bit more of a survival aspect to it

neo scavenger

[spice spire]

Depends on the difficulty, but probably should provide best mats

[sharp falcon]

yeah, you are never safe in crawl, that's for sure lol

[tough ferry]

someone just told me they arent available until raid?

is that true?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[tough ferry]

the wrappings, that is.

[marble hemlock]

its one of many recipes that can only be acquired in vault

[tough ferry]

oh... so uhh, I just make my weapon now and then add it later (?)

[sharp falcon]

--You have fallen through a shaft for 3 floors!-- my least favorite message in crawl

[marble hemlock]

hahaha

when youve taken your time on a level and then you see a jelly crawl around the corner...

my loot

[sharp falcon]

oh wow i wonder what version

feel like that hasnt been in the game for a long time

[marble hemlock]

yeah no idea... time passes fast, sometimes i look at games or some tome runs in my vault and im like "wait, that was 5y ago?"

[spice spire]

You can, or you can wait. Either way

[austere moss]

Hello, I was looking at the m+ opener that Whispr wrote and I'm having trouble figuring out why a third garrote after Indiscriminate Carnage. is the third one mostly to apply an 23 second improved garrote on the 2nd target?

[marble hemlock]

yep

its just for the pandemic duration on a priority (or 2nd priority) target

if you dont expect the mobs to live that long, i.e. when doing m0 atm, you can skip the secondary garrote

think for most m0 atm im just doing IC>garr>garr>rup>er>ct

[austere moss]

i guess that's an exception to wasting combo points XD

[solar tangle]

do anybody got a easy and small WA to track improved garrot? i tried the luxtos pack but it dont fit to me. but he did there some sorcery, since i cant only use his garrot WA / without his pack xD

[austere moss]

what did his wa do for improved garrote?

[subtle tundra]

isnt improved garrote just garrote dmg increase

all the time

[solar tangle]

he had a green dot on the garrot icon if the garrot is improved with damage

yeah but you can override it if you fail - and well, im not that good at assa so i wanted a small reminder

[subtle tundra]

maybe you mean shrouded suffocation?

oh nvm

[solar tangle]

ImProved Garrot (50% more dmg from stealth)

[subtle tundra]

i got them swapped in my head

[subtle tundra]

idk luxthos is good for me

[austere moss]

do you use plater?

[solar tangle]

yes

[austere moss]

i found this, not sure if it helps

https://wago.io/nmQFjawZn

[solar tangle]

tested it, does not work .. dunno else

[steel ridge]

my feral is ready for m+ season.

[sharp falcon]

great work Nerazar

[solar tangle]

how you guys manage it? so that you dont override it ? or is overwriting in pandemic range a non issue? xD maybe i think it bigger as it is

[steel ridge]

ngl, the 8 cheat death stacks for feral got me chuggling

[dense herald]

Not gar gar ct-> er-> rup?

[marble hemlock]

makes very little difference, really

7cp rupture doesnt run full duration anyway

[vestal wren]

that is because it is a proc that does not change your stance. Shadow Dance is flagged as a different stance, giving you the option to macro stuff. Also, just fyi stance switching is also buggy to a degree.

[vestal wren]

the tier list is done by tettels and dratnos, there are no guide writers or tcs involved. So it is a pure opinion piece

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s super sick

Love it

[vestal wren]

the problem is that it isn't clear in presentation

they now added a video to youtube but initially had only a small line mention who does it

[austere moss]

may i get a link to one?

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/tier-lists/dps-rankings-raids

i think the approach wowhead took some tiers ago was better

to have guide writers give their input for each spec

[austere moss]

not a big deal to me really, since all you have to do is wait for it to expire before overwritting every 2 minutes. though i'm a pretty terrible assassination.

[strange python]

Tettles? The guy who said the n word a lot and is still allowed to write content?

[vestal wren]

ofc that wasn't ideal given that e.g. some of the obviouse op did undersell their spec/class heavily

[strange python]

It'll never not bother me that tettles was all over those clout gang leaks and faced zero repercussions.

[vestal wren]

i don't want bad words about content creators, they got a big audience and have entertainment value

how valuable their opinion is for a tier list covering all spcs in the game is questionable, but it def. works for them

[strange python]

I mean sure. But it's not like, an unsubstantiated rumor. There were screenshots and he admitted it /shrug

[vestal wren]

and wowhead does like to prioritize their opinion piece

i don't follow the scene rly, and people curse all the time

ofc it is stupid if true, but i also don't care

[indigo mulch]

Why do people look at these tier lists anyway? In the end people will just look at warcraftlogs and pick whatever seams op after raid is out.

[strange python]

Cursing and the hard R are a bit different tbf

[vestal wren]

tier lists are basically the best thing to get views/attention

we are in a age where quick information is essential

e.g. the very young audience is now looking "expert opinions" on tik tok

[indigo mulch]

Oh god.

[vestal wren]

where the lenghth of videos is short so you can often not even go into details but just state something as fact

but that aside, tier lists give the average player a quick way to see where their spec/class ranks

you don't need to read anything, just see "S tier - good", "A tier okay", rest: useless

[austere moss]

why does the article mention assassination's execute dmg but doesn't mention arm's at all?

[indigo mulch]

lol

[strange python]

Sin has stronger execute than arms now

[indigo mulch]

I'm a little bit sad that they are actually nerfing assassination again.

[strange python]

Also the warrior specs are doodie

[indigo mulch]

What will happen is that we will be pushed down to be in the middle of the pack without aoe 😭

[austere moss]

prot is really strong actually

[strange python]

I think in the context of rogue specs sin didn't need a nerf. But compared to other melee it did.

Warrior and DK both look....bad

[vestal wren]

just to go quick through it

if you read the subtlety part (sry, i can easier point out flaws there)

it basically is tl;dr: "no zul fight - sub bad"

[indigo mulch]

LOL

[strange python]

Broodkeeper screams sub to me

[indigo mulch]

How can you ever compare ANYTHING to how zul was for sub? Like legit.

[austere moss]

it also mentions sub rouges are great at killing things that need to die.

[indigo mulch]

You stacked like 16 rogues.

[vestal wren]

priority damage was, and this is known within the community

a overrated niche already in SL

just one little example

[indigo mulch]

Prio dmg is w/e in reality.

[vestal wren]

i did the other day sim all 3 specs for a estimate of the first fight

and you would think "right adds = sub does best boss damage"

you would be completely wrong

[strange python]

The problem with "prio damage" is that there's so many specs that can handle it

[austere moss]

i'm no mythic raider but I remember not having it and struggling in pug groups like Sepulcher's Xy'mox

[vestal wren]

the adds don't survive long enough to make subtleties priority rotation a relevant uplift in output

funnily enough

assassination however can utialize it well

and if it comes to boss damage, it beats sub and outlaw easy

[strange python]

Need the Dausegne add to die asap? Your hunters are going to obliterate it anyways

[vestal wren]

also dps ranking will be interessting

beacuse, again taking the first boss as a example

outlaw might be #1 in output

assassinaiton #1 in boss damage

subtlety somewhere in between

so if we look at the wcl chart, we will have a diffrent picture depending on what metric we look at

even more confusing, the adds probably just melt with higher gear

making outlaw worse in overall and sub/sin better

[austere moss]

i wonder if azmon is raging again from bottom tier warrior dps lol

[strange python]

I have a hard time seeing council and diurna as anything but outlaw fights

And based purely on dungeon journal, razs too

[vestal wren]

4 target is quite good for subtlety

[strange python]

Kurog could be a huge sin fight though

[vestal wren]

and it seems like you can position yourself well to spread rupture

[eager sorrel]

Having to commit to crafting 2 daggers for sub is feel bad week 3 though

[vestal wren]

i wonder how fast you are able to upgrade the crafted items

[eager sorrel]

20x16's is a stretch for week 3

Heroic ones should come naturally though if your no lifing

Low-key wouldn't be surprised to see 2h class preference for RWF for the half cost mythic upgrades

10 less dungeon boosts is a lot of prog time

[vestal wren]

i think we will see a lot of "benched" people spam m+

while the rest progresses a specific fight

it just seems efficient to:

• split raid to get tier + trinkets
• after that spam m+ to get faster loot in other slots
• craft possibly high impact items

[eager sorrel]

Do we know toon count?

[subtle tundra]

people going for 20 will porbably get close

[eager sorrel]

Even with splits, 4 set is a bit of a crap shoot. 10 bosses and you need 4 unique tokens?

Wouldn't be surprised to see toons get killed if they don't drop 3 from heroic

[eager sorrel]

Agreed 15-17 felt fine in 391 pugs (although 4 set/full Enchants and consumables was probably closer 398 equivalent?)

[subtle tundra]

4 set definetly helped

but by the time you get to +20 you will have much better gear

than on beta

• actually tryharding

not beta for fun gaming

and no lag for us EU boys

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[flat laurel]

if you play with DTB do you go deadly poison + amplifying poison?

[balmy condor]

yup

you never go instant poison

unless you're a lunatic and playing DTB through twist the knife for some reason

which is insane

[flat laurel]

thats what i thought, where can i find a more indepth guide for the rotation? Im unsure of how many ruptures should be up etc

[balmy condor]

wowhead will be updated soon

[flat laurel]

Because this build u basically want just enough regen to spam poison bomb or am i missing something

[balmy condor]

the general concept is "enough to not run out of energy"

and then you either spam CT for aoe, or envenom for prio

well

"spam"

cause you're constantly refreshing dots

so it's not really spamming

[flat laurel]

Yeah i get it, havnt played since BFA so a bit have changed

[balmy condor]

it's honestly pretty similar honestly

the spec plays the same but there's more buttons

[austere moss]

I beleive it's crimson tempest on over 6?

[balmy condor]

and that's really about it

[flat laurel]

Yeah to a certain extent i would say

Thanks for clearing it out Whispyr, appreciated

[balmy condor]

np

[celest ruin]

!whspyr

!whispyrr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

you got there eventually

[celest ruin]

only took me 3 tries

[balmy condor]

an important lesson in human persistence

[celest ruin]

[cedar timber]

Be careful about saying the name three times in a row though.

[balmy condor]

yeah

I'm known to appear behind people and yell at them for using stat weight sims

[simple ore]

real chads just follow the same stat priority no matter what

[untold mortar]

guys any PI gain sims available?

[austere moss]

doesn't Fuu have sims with externals?

[untold mortar]

my bad u right

apologies

[broken stump]

I’m not trolling, honest - but for M+ I’m assuming Assassination is performing fine unless you’re pushing silly high keys? I only just moved to Rogue at the start of this expansion and found that I really didn’t enjoy the Outlaw playstyle so would rather just stick with Assassination. I imagine it’s too soon to say how large the difference is between the two specs at the moment?

[rigid socket]

hey guys , my poisons are gone whenever I use hearthstone or portals , does this happen to anyone else?

[woven slate]

Can someone explain to a dummy when the serrated bone spike is used and why?

[dim yacht]

what makes twist the knife bad? shouldnt it be good for dtb with double poisons for aoe?

more so when we get 2 piece?

[subtle tundra]

Envenom uptime is high already

[dim yacht]

do we envenom spam over CT spam in aoe assuming we have enough ruptures for energy?

[subtle tundra]

Idk never gonna play dtb

[dim yacht]

fair enough

[subtle tundra]

If I have to play dtb I go sub

[heavy coral]

Yes, you can play whichever spec you want and still be competitive. Don't bother unless you are pushing super high keys

[blazing totem]

amp poision is the best lethal poision damage-wise so it’s not wise to pass on it

plus envenom uptime is already pretty high

with DTB you can then have amp+deadly which is simply superior to deadly+instant

[clever vigil]

can you get a good build with kingsbane ad dtb ?

I also wonder why CB is not used in the trees I look at. Is it not good enough for Assasination ?

[copper hazel]

no

you cant take kingsbane and dtb

there are not enough points to do it

[clever vigil]

yeah I feared that would be the answer

[subtle tundra]

Only reason it's good on sub is cause they have an ability that does omega high dmg

We have dots

[clever vigil]

I see

Yeah I still have a very old assa skill tree in my head thats why I wondered but yeah makes sense if we do more dots now that its less of a contribution

[next edge]

Why? too boring?

[opaque sigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tawny barn]

what poisons do you run with DTB build if AP talented? AP and instant?

[simple ore]

AP and deadly

[subtle tundra]

we finally get new toys to play with and we dont and we play the same thing we have for the last 4 years(or more, idk legion)

[oak hawk]

Yes my lethal potions seem to always get dispelled but the non lethal ones stay for some reason

[subtle tundra]

dtb does that

its buggy

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdr5UbagShjwqEhg8sRt9F any 60kers

[celest ruin]

whered you get your 382 dagger

[dark token]

Crafted

We have gotten like 3 training matrixes

It cost like 3k to craft, cheap af

[quick ivy]

Does it cost much mettle for the daggers?

[simple ore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/unMXy7jGBgyvqgTFSvD22L getting there

[ebon notch]

so are tauren and orc both very close in terms of dps?

[trim zinc]

All of the races

[slim hamlet]

Are very close

[dense cedar]

if u aren't playing belf as your rogue on horde, are you even trying?

[clever vigil]

yes

bc when i made the rogue there were no belfs

[night crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/83uGexNicjk9wwGuanHsMe

im sorry

[static glacier]

You could always take every active ability possible

Sin with all actives honestly has keybinding issues

[dense cedar]

dtb m+ is truly the worst outcome

[static glacier]

No way it beats IC

That would be tragic

[dense cedar]

i only use keys 1-6 and some letter keybinds and I find it easy enough

[static glacier]

Which rep did you cap?

[cinder grotto]

Hi gang, I'm a little unclear on when to cast bonespike? I'm running kingsbane ST build as per the faq.

[static glacier]

With all actives selected? For real?

[static glacier]

Boy be hunting

[dense cedar]

well without gouge or CB ye

[static glacier]

It’s not strictly the dps buttons that end up bloating it, it’s dps buttons + utilities + defensives + multiple pot / hs binds

[dense cedar]

i have uh

[static glacier]

Thing is I don’t think there’s a build that does select all the actives

[dense cedar]

healing potion + Hs on m4 and 5

and aoe and st pot on shift +m4 , m5

don't raelly tihkn aobu that tho

[static glacier]

Modifiers are blessed, I’m a no mod gamer

[dense cedar]

how do u play rts?

[static glacier]

Never was a big rts on pc guy

Played total war:war hammer but that’s it

To be fair I can make more binds, a&d will be new binds

[dense cedar]

u don't strafe?

[static glacier]

The ones above them are strafe iirc

[dense cedar]

ah

[static glacier]

Lemme get on pc

[dense cedar]

a and d by default are both turn and strafe

so i just instantly rebound q and e to do other functions

WASD makes more sense to me than QWED

[static glacier]

I think by default a and d are turn and q and e are strafe

[dense cedar]

they do both

[static glacier]

either way whatever's default turn is getting bound

[dense cedar]

by default

[static glacier]

by default assuming you don't hold down mouse

[dense cedar]

no reason to rebind

who doesn't hold down mouse

[static glacier]

I personally strafe with q and e, rarely ever use a and d

only time is when waiting for people and im on a mount, I hold packpedal and a or d

[dense cedar]

even without strafe

always use mouse for most moving

[static glacier]

ofc

in general I use it to run forward

and turn

[broken stump]

What kinda build do people generally run for random open world content? One of the M+ builds?

[copper hazel]

!whispyr

kek

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dense cedar]

I just sit in the M+ build ye

I'm sure there are better options (maybe the leveling build) but i don't really care to swap all the time

even tho its ez

[night delta]

I run the DTB build for comfort

[royal lantern]

i run the kb m+ build

cus IC is good for big pulls

[subtle tundra]

how much primal chaos does it cost to recraft the 405 dagger

anyone know

[royal lantern]

im not a degen, cant tell you 🙂

[night delta]

Does it actually cost chaos to recraft ?

[royal lantern]

normal re-craft doesnt cost chaos

dunno how it works with the raid lvl stuff?

[subtle tundra]

idk

i wanna know

[night delta]

I mean the raid ilvl stuff is just an added reagant

[subtle tundra]

cause i only have enough to craft it

[royal lantern]

@marble hemlock does the 405 dagger re-craft cost primal chaos? or just normal trading mats

[night delta]

I don't see how it would just spawn a chaos requirement

[ebon dune]

Should i use deathmark before garrot&rupture or after

[marble hemlock]

just normal mats

[royal lantern]

there you go varas

thanks seli

[subtle tundra]

so no more primal chaos after the first 80?

[strange python]

After

[subtle tundra]

cool, thanks

[night delta]

beware however that for now, recrafts including optional embelishment reagants are wonky

[subtle tundra]

i craft with no embellishment

[night delta]

you should decide on your embelishment in the original craft for now

you might get stuck wanting to add one later but unable to

until they fix it

[trim zinc]

so u can upgrade the ilvl and get an emfelishment after without having to waste more primal chaos and the spark??
just the other mats and the raid drops?

[dark token]

did this really epic forge from the quest

[strange python]

The bug is seemingly applying to adding embellishments even to un-embellished items.

[dark token]

its a nice trink

[strange python]

Embellishments just don't seem to function well with recraft

[night delta]

presumably yes, but in practice it's bugged

[subtle tundra]

sussy

i want the 405 dagger for wednesday

[trim zinc]

cuz i dont have the primal infusion, i want to craft it like 380 something and upgrade it later

[dark token]

also tf is this

[night delta]

Imo they'll probably come around and fix this not too far in the future

but maybe for a few weeks it'll still be an issue

[slim hamlet]

You can buy an item that adds sockets

[royal lantern]

but there was a socket cap iirc

and it was only for jewel stuff

[flint tusk]

The socket cap is 3

[jaunty lotus]

I'm a bit worried, I crafted a dagger for someone at 5/5 with all 3/3 reagents (with embellishment and missive), and calculating how many points I can still get puts me 3 points behind a 5/5 guaranteed with mythic level reagent + embellishment+ missive

As far as I can see, there's no way to guarantee a 5/5 with embellishment, mythic ilvl and missive

[junior aurora]

is your profession maxed

[true pelican]

you cannot guarantee 418 with missive and embellishment

[marble hemlock]

yes, the highest ilvl stuff will need recrafting and inspiration procs

[true pelican]

have to inspiration fish

[jaunty lotus]

Yes, I was missing 26 knowledge points in dagger to max out completely

[marble hemlock]

well just recreafting a few times will increase the base skill as well, but yeah

inspiration is the way

[solar hare]

is it possible to craft 405 with all the addons guaranteed?

ive crafted 5 405 weps for guildies but theyve all been inspo

[jaunty lotus]

Didn't they say that there would be a way to guarantee the best item without rng, just that it would be expensive?

[true pelican]

also I'm not sure how you're only 3 points off, my calc put me 13 off

[jaunty lotus]

Yes

[dark token]

correct

it rely on inspiration

4/5 guarantee

5/5 inspiration

[solar hare]

no infusion

said 405

[jaunty lotus]

This is what I had, and I had 24/30 in one node and 10/30 in another

[true pelican]

yes exactly, you will have 377, requires 390

[jaunty lotus]

Mythic level is +40?

[solar hare]

50

[jaunty lotus]

Oh

[royal lantern]

wait, recrafting increases skill, like crafting itself?

[junior rampart]

Hello, sorry if this is asked already. for m+ build in assa-faq, subterfuge is not opted in skill tree for IC+KB or DTB. is it not worth?

[dark token]

i thought recrafting made it harder (increased recipe difficulty)

at least thats what random /trade blacksmith said

[solar hare]

recrafting is the same as first time

as far as im concerned, and im 100 bs and have made 7 405 weps

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/igbPfeeZe3Q7MPtEfdMS6E
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdr5UbagShjwqEhg8sRt9F

sin is dead

[cinder grotto]

Icy Veins guide says:
Activate Vanish on cooldown. Sync this ability with Deathmark by applying empowered Garrote before using Deathmark.
Why cast emp. gar. right before Deathmark? I thought it had to be cast during DM for it to be amplified?

[marble hemlock]

its a bit weird

crafting a piece repeatedly seems to increase base skill

[true pelican]

that happens if original mats were low quality

[copper hazel]

it doubles the empowered garrote

[true pelican]

and you recraft with q3 mats, slowly adding their bonus to the item

[cinder grotto]

Also if its casts before Deathmark?

[copper hazel]

yes

[cinder grotto]

Ah so it empowers all existing! Didn't know that.

Thanks!

[loud horizon]

How much knowledge points does it take „overall“ to max everything important for a 405 weapon. Do you know that maybe?

[copper hazel]

well no, DM isnt doing the empowering, its improved garrote

DM is just duplicating it

[royal lantern]

max out all stuff that gives skill+inspiritation tree+100bs

soooo......120 for the skill+30 for the inspiritation tree

150?

[cinder grotto]

Ah sry yes I meant duplicating not empowering

[loud horizon]

150 Knowledge points ? Holy moly

Thanks for the answer

[jaunty lotus]

80 on the weapon tree, 30 on the general tree, then 30 more if you want to boost inspiration

[slim hamlet]

The item gives sockwts depending on quality, tier 3 = 3 sockets

[jaunty lotus]

If you want max skill it's 110

Then 30 more if you want to boost inspiration

[rain berry]

hi

raidbots sim is updated with pb nerf?

[warm canopy]

mastery increases bonespike dmg right?

[sour wraith]

Is it possible to actually get 150 KP atm?

[loud horizon]

Ahh kk thank you

Should I let someone craft a 402 one for me with wish stats or 405 with random stats

What do you think guys ?

[keen spruce]

Are we still taking leecing poison after the nerf? and is amp poison/pb the way to go on raid ST?

[jaunty lotus]

I started blacksmithing this week and have 102 right now

[loud horizon]

Uhh not bad

[true thorn]

hey quick question any reason to use thistle tea or instead go for that extra point of lethality for mythic plus?

[gleaming geyser]

Probably depending on what your current weapons are. You can always recraft it at barely any cost later on

[loud horizon]

Mhm kk thanks

The thing is I don’t know how much people want for Recraft

[gleaming geyser]

Thistle Tea better for low cleave and bosses. Id get used to running it always so you know what you're doing on tyran week

[true thorn]

okay thanks

[dark token]

@gusty mirage im crying

why are these stupid expensive

[viscid spear]

Why are you buying 4?

[strange python]

glowing titan orb is illogical shit

https://www.wowhead.com/item=201406/glowing-titan-orb

[viscid spear]

Also the mats are sorta complicated
Blue Shards aren't hard for an Enchanter to get and the Awakened Order is so-so
Purple Crystals aren't as common because M0 gear usually DEs into Shards instead
And the Titan Orbs are a 4% drop from mobs near the Halls of Infusion entrance

t. Someone that made themselves Sophic Devotion and will be making it for guildies

[royal lantern]

wait 5days

enchanter try to get a little value, when m+ comes out and you get epics thrown in your face, the price will drop hard

[dark token]

tthe epics arent the expensive part

glowing titan orb is 7k each

this craft requires 3

and as people hop into raid and m+

[royal lantern]

but those are ez to grab

[dark token]

and start enchanting weapons

the price will skyrocket

same with awakened order mats

the epics are w/e

i bought 4 because i play sin/outlaw

so i need minimum 3, one extra in case i replace a weap

and i think they will be pricier next week

the fierce armor kits also obscene

[viscid spear]

Are there watcher adds in the raid?

I also picked up Frozen Devotion
Need to dump a lot of Knowledge into Enchanting next week

[dark token]

i fucked up going 90 points into disenchanting spec

didnt realize that the expensive parts would be non enchanting mats like the titan orbs etc

[next edge]

I went gemcutting JC

And nobody wants fkng gems

[dark token]

i want gems

i just bought 10 at 2k ea

whats the item that lets u socket

[next edge]

Selling the Awakened Devotion isn2,5k

Not worth to craft gems

[strange python]

yeah man, getting full enchanted/gemmed and shit is a fat cost this patch so far

[next edge]

Gems are super expensive

But its 3k in mats and they sell for 2k

[strange python]

everything is at 3 quallity

[next edge]

It's stupid as fuck

[dark token]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

you mean the epic one? i cant get r3 without inspiration proc

[dark token]

i think market rn is weird

[next edge]

I can only make them 2 star

I still don't understand how to make 3

Xd

[dark token]

all 2 star crafts lower than crafting cost

from people leveling and dumping

thats why im buying rn instead of next few weeks

bought like 25 rank 2 devotion enchants at 20g each

[next edge]

That's me

[dark token]

it cost like

300g to craft one

and they sell for 20g

?

[subtle tundra]

huh you mean the weapon enchant?

[dark token]

rings

[subtle tundra]

ah

😭

[dark token]

i went armor/ring enchanter spec

legit not profitable

plus my 90 points into disenchanting

[barren lintel]

assassination is a lot of fun, but i find it horrendous in M+ :/

[dark token]

after my next week in m+ DE everything

i might swap blacksmith or engi

[next edge]

I was thinking drop jc too tbh

But maybe its too latr

[subtle tundra]

whats the difference in ranks for sophic devotion?

they all say same stats

[royal lantern]

more stats

[dark token]

bug tooltip

[royal lantern]

AH tooltip is bugged

[subtle tundra]

ayaya

[royal lantern]

varas, you just did the #1 wow mistake: you trust the ingame tooltips

[subtle tundra]

wdym envenom is a poison?

[viscid spear]

I went 50 into the Insight tree right off the bat until Quake pointed out the importance of the Devotion enchants

[slim hamlet]

pretty sure envenom is a venom

[snow hamlet]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dark token]

yeah i fucked up hard

[royal lantern]

what even is the difference

[dark token]

those weapon enchants only way to level rn

[royal lantern]

it took the wrong comment 🙂

[dark token]

so i need to go down that tree anyway

lmao