assassination

[lethal heart]

i think there is 2 or 3 people in my guild that do dirt

[brazen zodiac]

if thats insane idk i dont think it is but

[marble hemlock]

[signal pier]

[brazen zodiac]

seems like it is for killing 2 birds with one stone yk

[marble hemlock]

but yeah

good gold for many people

even digging dirt was like

200k gold total

just from selling grey items

[brazen zodiac]

how

[signal pier]

i am making only 30k a day from herb

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah mlmfao

[nocturne current]

This dropped in one of the sieges tho.

[brazen zodiac]

yeah its nice

thehunts and other world stuff drop some p nice early gear

[marble hemlock]

but yeah idk oxi

[brazen zodiac]

community feast about to start if any chef wants to come :)

[marble hemlock]

theres no reason to rush it anyway

[gusty mirage]

every farming session I'd sell 40 rings for about 2500g a pop avg

sometimes 2200

[marble hemlock]

ill just do it while i work

[gusty mirage]

sometimes 3k

[marble hemlock]

just afk in zone

[gusty mirage]

• rousing earths

[marble hemlock]

thaldraszus is nice cuz its only 2 hunt spots

[gusty mirage]

• vendor trash

[marble hemlock]

so you can afk in one of them

[gusty mirage]

and the bug guys

[marble hemlock]

and still get every second hunt done

[gusty mirage]

give up to 3 trophies per mob

[marble hemlock]

wait

[gusty mirage]

4 waves of 3 guys

[marble hemlock]

am i supposed to loot the mobs

[gusty mirage]

no

[brazen zodiac]

s

[gusty mirage]

just those guys

raz told me about it

[brazen zodiac]

the big bosses yeah

and sometimes the wave mobs drop x3

[lethal heart]

i still dont know wtf to do with my points for LW

[marble hemlock]

arent they once a day

[gusty mirage]

you have a small chance at a trophy off the bosses

but who gives a fuck

you want the thal one

near the waterfall

[marble hemlock]

psure i always got one on first kill

and then no more

[gusty mirage]

the bug dudes who raid

and you kill 4 waves

that objective

they can drop up to 3 trophies per

dunno if thats a bug or what

[marble hemlock]

hm okay, sick

[brazen zodiac]

the hippos do too

in plains

[gusty mirage]

minimum you get 1 per group

still worth

[signal pier]

im getting so much info from this chat

[marble hemlock]

well i mean i did like 10 renown today for those fuckers

i havent done their dailies a single time

[lethal heart]

it isnt even dailies iirc

[marble hemlock]

think i started at midnight so i guess i did 10hrs of this? idk, time is weird

[lethal heart]

i think they're called dailies

[gusty mirage]

they're biweekly

[lethal heart]

but

[signal pier]

my plan was to max alchemy and sell overpriced potions but damn i feel like i missed on a goldmine

[lethal heart]

they're biweekly

[minor aurora]

what is this?

[marble hemlock]

no one wnats to buy my overpriced robo duck

[gusty mirage]

they rotate twice a week

dif clans

one set of "dailies" per

[lethal heart]

ye i figured

ngl hunt gave me big time island vibes

especially with wa

[gusty mirage]

lmao true

[lethal heart]

rofl

felt like home

[signal pier]

island boy

[gusty mirage]

except less work involved

[lethal heart]

🏝️

[marble hemlock]

so ill

DM you on tuesday night

2hrs before reset

"wanna do 3man hunt?"

just for the same feeling

[lethal heart]

[dark token]

when they rotate is a weekly scenario also

[nocturne current]

I only regret not going elemental gathering after seeing the prices in the AH

[dark token]

hidden weekly quest that gives 379 or w/e

[signal pier]

ironwire wouldve helped island in bfa

[marble hemlock]

but yeha this maruuk stuff is piss easy to grind, didnt expect it to be this simple

[lethal heart]

for you always @marble hemlock

[brazen zodiac]

i regret not farming decay lmao

since they nerfd it prices gone up like crazy

decay LW struggling

[brazen zodiac]

i didnt expect all of the reps to be simple to grind tbh

[strange python]

Had to give up after 20. Too many hunts

[brazen zodiac]

its a lot less mind numbing if ur just afk watching stuff tbh

after i got renown 22 i kinda just afkd in a raid group till 25 and hoped i didnt get kicked lmao

[signal pier]

i farmed rousing order and made 15k a day 😦

[nocturne current]

I wish I still had the patience to do it like farming the netherwing drake in a day.

If the keys is already what it is I don't even want to imagine cobalt.

[jaunty lotus]

15k a day farming seems low

[signal pier]

i do like 1h farm

abusing elemental overload

[brazen zodiac]

man i was close until i got to the quest where you have to race the final boss

rqd so hard after failing 10+ tries

[jaunty lotus]

Cobalt is really fast though

[brazen zodiac]

cobalt fun too

u kinda just get big then pull ur own shit and rotate

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah, once you learn that the one that makes you big is a trap

[brazen zodiac]

oh the gigaslow one? lmao

[dark token]

especially afk

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah

[dark token]

ive been fucking with my UI for hours

and discording

[nocturne current]

I had completely forgoten about that, I remember going up a ramp, but everything else all I remember is cave and eggs, eggs, eggs.

[balmy condor]

Little Bit of

[jaunty lotus]

Oh hey, I get really slow, at least I'll do a lot of damage right? Wrong it just reduces damage taken

[brazen zodiac]

cave, eggs, fly across outland for 2 dailies, reset.

[signal pier]

embellish deez nutz

fuck rep

[brazen zodiac]

but embellish bug so no embellish so = no nutz

so in essence, u have 0 nutz..?

[signal pier]

also alchemy experiment system is shit

[balmy condor]

Mr doctor says it’s normal

[signal pier]

mf explodes in my face

[nocturne current]

The Black Drake does look pretty dope tho, almost even more than the back.

[brazen zodiac]

it is normal to have 0 nutz

many woman have 0 nutz

[trim zinc]

I always boom like right away or on the second one

[balmy condor]

He just like me fr fr

[jaunty lotus]

I just farmed blacksmith since I have yet to see someone specialized in daggers

[signal pier]

whats ur alchemy level at already?

[balmy condor]

Oh I’ve been 100 for a couple days

[signal pier]

how

[brazen zodiac]

o cool whisp

[trim zinc]

I'm stuck on 96;-;

[balmy condor]

Advanced phial experimentation

[brazen zodiac]

is alc fun

[signal pier]

oh

[strange python]

Crafting gonna blow for anyone not on illidan tich or zj

[signal pier]

i invested in multi craft

[balmy condor]

Unlucky I guess

[signal pier]

i get 20 potion procs now

[balmy condor]

Lucky

[signal pier]

ill mass produce potion and sell them to wf guilds

[nocturne current]

Humm, I got to 100 alchy just doing basic experiment + new crafts + lots of quests

[balmy condor]

I’m a little behind on my multi/inspiration

But 100 alch worth i guess

[dark token]

i fucked up, advanced expirment was a 20 poiint waste

[nocturne current]

Darkmoon gives some nice craft quests.

[dark token]

it does nothin

i still fail every 3 craft

[balmy condor]

It’s passive gains

[jaunty lotus]

I'm on stormrage which is about the same size as zj

[balmy condor]

Each point is +1 skill or something

[dark token]

i still craft 20 recipe in a row with no new one

[signal pier]

100 alchemy increases your base "skill" which produces higher quality stuff

[dark token]

naw

its only breakthrough expirementations

[thorn crater]

question. how does seasoned hunters trophy function exactly?

[dark token]

0 skill points towards any alch product

[nocturne current]

But you must have almost everything by now, no?

[dark token]

its actually 20 points dead node now

[thorn crater]

like, does it work just for hunters and BMs get 2 buffs?

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[dark token]

i have all but one phial

[strange python]

Stormrage died a lot when the big guilds xferred away, no?

[nocturne current]

Yeah that one phial is going to be hard.

[dark token]

highly recommend NOT investing in expirment

[strange python]

I thought skill issue died and Polaris left

[balmy condor]

I have all the phials

[signal pier]

wake up, farm rousing order, sell on ah, experiement, explode, sleep, repeat

[balmy condor]

Now I have to repeat with potions

[nocturne current]

Somewhere there, there has to be 1 or 2 unlucky alchis that the only phial they're missing are actually the decent ones.

[jaunty lotus]

Not sure, transferred there from zj, seems pretty much as full as

[dark token]

did you take any advanced expirement

[nocturne current]

And I can't imagine more frustration than that.

[strange python]

I don't know who the big guilds left on ZJ are

[balmy condor]

I’m maxed baby

[strange python]

Storm**

[balmy condor]

I’m huge

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[nocturne current]

Multicraft?

[dark token]

from here i cant decide what i want

[brazen zodiac]

that purple

is so pretty

[balmy condor]

BASED

[dark token]

i think im going decayology

[balmy condor]

SO BASED

[nocturne current]

Multicraft dudeee

Free $

[brazen zodiac]

are those all ur points?

[dark token]

no

[balmy condor]

Now it’s inspiration time

[balmy condor]

Yea

The one on the far right

That’s the juice

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/granny-grandma-cash-counting-gif-25489581

[signal pier]

Its super juice

[nocturne current]

How much is each elemental there?

[dark token]

i fucked up hard with echanting

armor spec SUCKS

you need primal weapon enchants to level 75->100 anyway

[dense cedar]

excited for knowledge respec in 10.3

[dark token]

and they are the big number

it wont happen, knoweldge respec dont make sense

you could craft anything perfectly with 60 points

[strange python]

Oh consequence is on storm still

Shit wasn't uwulane there? What happened

[dense cedar]

hmm

[subtle tundra]

imagine starting the game in 10.1 when everyone has full knowledge

[dense cedar]

seasonal point respec?

[balmy condor]

Still is

[night delta]

I could see one-time knowledge refunds happen when they rebalance crafted items

[subtle tundra]

and youre waiting on your weekly 10 points

[dense cedar]

that wouldn't be terrible

[night delta]

but yeah, repeatable respec is a fantasy

[strange python]

Weird, not on the roster page but could be out of date till logs hit next week

[dense cedar]

i think seasonal would be fine

[balmy condor]

Yeh mr apolane big Gamer

With a capital G

[dense cedar]

gear crafters will just need to it to not be dicked over every patch

[strange python]

I know he lurks here somewhere on a hidden name but always forget his disc name

[balmy condor]

@shy dust

[signal pier]

herb free money

[balmy condor]

Rae’s a baller on god

[oak sky]

rae n vel

[nocturne current]

Elemental shit is where the money is

[balmy condor]

The broski’s

[strange python]

There was a third cons rogue in sanctum no?

[oak sky]

rae isnt hiding anything man

[swift dagger]

How long do u think it takes to farm Maruuk to 25 Renown from like 8 just by spamming Grand Hunts?

[oak sky]

i know they had zephyr for a while but i think there was some irl shit or something

[swift dagger]

thinking if i wanna degen it out

[dark token]

1 hr/renown

[vestal cliff]

Is it possible to get a second spark for crafting high gear this week?

[swift dagger]

Thank you sir

also fuck that

[balmy condor]

Zephyr was in for vel I think cause sepulcher was during tax season and vel was afk for a month? Or something like that

[oak sky]

ye

[balmy condor]

I don’t Know the lore

[oak sky]

idk either

[swift dagger]

next week

[strange python]

Damn stormrage dead as fuck now though

[oak sky]

i do remember vel tax season arc

[vestal cliff]

Sadge

[oak sky]

no reason to be on a piss alliance realm anymore tbh

[strange python]

I remember back in the days when malg was the giga server 😦

10 fucking years ago

Shit even stormreaver. That server omegadied.

[oak sky]

stormreaver had like one guild

is rain still there

[balmy condor]

I was on Eredar, Dead server with SPK

And then SPK fell apart because gamer words

So they rebuilt

[gusty mirage]

I was on @oak sky's dad

[signal pier]

brb 4h

[balmy condor]

And then had gamer words

[dark token]

ur gonna fail ur first expirment

[signal pier]

literally first try

[dark token]

when u get back

what a shit prof mechanic tbh

at least its free lvl 100

im stuck at lvl 80 on enchanting

unless i want to spent 30k/craft

[strange python]

Shadowlands was a bis expansion for guild drama

[dense cedar]

i still like classic guild drama the most

[strange python]

Soniqs, fused, clout

[dense cedar]

easily the pettiest shit

[dark token]

what happened with fused

i used to raid there

[strange python]

Fused had WILD overtime problems and rumors that leaders were toxic

[dark token]

drama always toxic

lmao

GM literally named drama

[strange python]

I think they went somewhere else tho, most of the core

And insomnia. Never forget

[subtle tundra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn crater]

has anyone looted seasoned hunter's trophy?

[odd dew]

What is a good embellishment for Assassination? Are the fangs of Adornment any good?

[strange python]

Yes but never tested it much. Just used it for ilvl

[thorn crater]

it only gives mastery

[balmy condor]

My spreadsheet has comparisons, faq does as well

[thorn crater]

and i was running it as outlaw

[strange python]

Supposedly embellishments are getting tuned. And they're bugged

[thorn crater]

the prob is it doesnt procc that often

[balmy condor]

But yeah

Tuning inc

[thorn crater]

but it gives 1,1k mastery

[strange python]

If you trust Oxi. Which I don't.

[odd dew]

Have a link to your sheet sorry? not sure where to find it

[strange python]

Hey, dont you go emoting my shit posts, whispyr.

[balmy condor]

Scroll up like 10 lines

[odd dew]

WOuld you say its not worth using embellishments for now?

[balmy condor]

I would wait

[jaunty lotus]

By the way was there any sim comparison dor DTB ST after the nerf?

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

Spreadsheet

[jaunty lotus]

Yours or fuu's?

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

are rupture/garrote slightly smaller

or just me

[strange python]

Def smaller

[balmy condor]

as a general rule I never talk about fuu’s unless I need to compare to other specs

Anything sin is my sheet

[jaunty lotus]

Ok

Ah you updated the pin, it wasn't last I checked

[dark token]

is there an advanced profileset snippet for all embellishments

i wanna sim em all on some other specs too

that dont have as good a sim sheet

[balmy condor]

There isn’t

Especially diurna ring is a pain

Cause you gotta change ring and tier set

Ain’t that easy to just slap a copypasta into a sim

[strange python]

Unless you get ring out of vault, good luck

Err. Weekly chest. Stupid raid name confusion.

[balmy condor]

And even then, would have to make custom lines for the weapons

Cause agi dagger is only rogue

Just a massive headache

[strange python]

I've heard the mastery embellishment is huge for boomie

But have a hard time believing the >90% health thing is that reliable

[analog anchor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rain berry]

is there like an updated tier list of specs for PI?

[balmy condor]

No

Warlock sims still struggling to even be accurate

But dw, it won’t go on a rogue

[strange python]

Probably still demo

[marble hemlock]

id say

arcanemage in opener, assa kb rogue in execute

[balmy condor]

Cope

[strange python]

Haste value stinky

[marble hemlock]

be more jealous

[balmy condor]

Untalent iron wire bozo

[marble hemlock]

talent imp ambush

[strange python]

Why would he craft sword

[marble hemlock]

cuz outlaw is looking to be the better spec for a bunch of fights?

so if you craft a wepaon, you craft a MH for the spec you intend to play

[strange python]

He should aim for 421 weapon and dagger OH embellished

P sure outlaw still wants bronzed wrappings on OH, feels weird to craft sword now, then still need 2 sparks for dagger and whatever else

[dark token]

all these guys crafting their weaps before raid and wont get the drop

[balmy condor]

Crafting embellishments before release

[dark token]

but i have a legitimate reason to hold crafting

^ yeah the bug

[marble hemlock]

what bug?

[dark token]

im worried they dont fix by tuesday

[marble hemlock]

im still not convinced

that this bug exists

[dark token]

any blacksmith here wanna test

[balmy condor]

Cockroach

[dark token]

on the blue gear

[dark token]

READ THE PINS

[marble hemlock]

you cant embellish blue gear

yeah

and i can just

remove my embellishment

when recrafting

and apply a new one

[strange python]

?? You can't

That's the bug

[marble hemlock]

https://puu.sh/JtELL/1004b7a922.jpg

i cant?

[strange python]

Doesn't actually work

It's also not letting people add embellishments during recraft - only the first craft

So even if you could remove (which isn't really working) you can't add after

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JtL4q/853a609858.jpg

?

[strange python]

I didn't say that the page wouldn't let you.

[viscid marten]

Did they fix it?

[strange python]

I'm saying that when you actually hit confirm and craft, it doesn't change.

[marble hemlock]

i mean

i can click recraft

im not gonna finish crafting cuz i dont wanna waste my adornment

[viscid marten]

Well click it and let's us know haha

Beta test

[marble hemlock]

but its legit why i said

im not even sure if this bug is actually a thing

[strange python]

I understand that your interface presents these options. The bug many people reported is that when you actually do click recraft and confirm, it doesn't do anything.

[marble hemlock]

it literally starts a cast bar brother

[gusty mirage]

it's all over the forums

[marble hemlock]

i think the bug is

that you cant add embellishment

on a recraft item that didnt have one before

[strange python]

Yes. And when the cast finishes, the embellishment stays on.

[marble hemlock]

i believe that

aight

still seems sus

maybe people are just too stupid to use the new profession system

[strange python]

Alright.

[subtle tundra]

definetly am

[gusty mirage]

I mean I doubt people would lie about it

[balmy condor]

But have you seen this channel

[marble hemlock]

maybe some weird shit going on with tiered madallion torc or smth

in any case

[strange python]

Similar reports of people unable to change fang from 2 to 3

[marble hemlock]

ill feel absoutely horrible and distraught and might just not raid this tier if i cannot change my fang adornment embellishment for another one thats half a percent better

basically expansion ruined

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[strange python]

K.

[gusty mirage]

have you recrafted your dagger yet seli

[dense cedar]

I am the third best M+ rogue in my household

[gusty mirage]

wanna be the best m+ rogue in my pants?

[dense cedar]

https://colinarmistead.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/8/3/118307840/yume-nikki-no-sticker-by-colin-downsized-large.gif

[marble hemlock]

i recrafted it from 392 to 405

embellishment is still there

but i crafted the 392 one with embellishment already

[dense cedar]

the silver lining of not raiding is that i get to keep my gold

for

uhhhhh

yeah

[dark token]

Has anyone calculated how much extra primal chaos you spend when you recraft 405 to 421 vs make 421

[balmy condor]

Somewhere between 0 and 1000 I think

[dark token]

I'm a little concerned about not getting enough

[dense cedar]

Gonna experiment when I log in

Please wish me luck

oh i actually succeeded

wtf

[brazen zodiac]

nice

[dense cedar]

2 times the charm failed tho

alas

[brazen zodiac]

cant win em all

[dense cedar]

can't be greedy with it i guess

fuck blizz tho loll

[brazen zodiac]

pog fulfilled full 20 orders

professional business lady

[dense cedar]

wowhead says theres some weekly for work orders

i've never seen it tho

maybe my rank is too low with the npc

[marble hemlock]

wdym extra primal chaos?

its 150 to craft a concentrated primal essence

thats it

[gusty mirage]

okay so I'm safe

[marble hemlock]

doesnt matter whehter you craft 421 fresh, which costs 80 primal chaos, and the 150 for the infusion, or already crafted the dagger before. its 230 either way

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

as far as i understand/see it, the bug is two things: cant add embellishment if the item didnt have one before (and even that seems to be limited to the neck, maybe an issue with the tiered medallion?i dk), and some items you cannot exchange one embellishment for another

[dark token]

noice

i thought there might be a recraft loss

[storm latch]

r

[dark token]

so i need 460 primal chaos by week 1 of raid

im at 140

[marble hemlock]

no

only cost you have when recrafting

is 7 alloy and 5 mettle per attempt

[swift dagger]

I need 150 more for 405? Im never getting that in time

[marble hemlock]

infusion/embellishment/missive are all one-time use

[true pelican]

what

[dark token]

2x 421 items

[true pelican]

what do you need that much for

[gusty mirage]

also can't recraft if the item isn't full durability

[marble hemlock]

get a renown to 25, you get a finished primal infusion that doesnt cost you primal chaos

[marble hemlock]

well duh

then again like 20% of poeple asking me to recraft dont know that yet

[swift dagger]

Oh I thought u need in addition

[dark token]

so if you recraft the 405 dag to 421

it will cost you 150 extra chaos even tho you already spent 100 on the 405?

[marble hemlock]

it will cost 5 mettle and 7 alloy

no

do people not read

[true pelican]

if you're crafting 2x418 weapons

[true pelican]

it only costs 160 chaos total

[dark token]

i understand what you said

[balmy condor]

He’s gonna recraft a dagger to an item level that’s not possible

He’s insane

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JtL7Q/ce41ec3843.png

[dark token]

but im saying the primal infusions/concentratred primal essence cost 100/150 chaos to craft yes

[gusty mirage]

someone on us-illidan recraft my dagger

[dark token]

the question i had was

[gusty mirage]

and I'll let you say one stupid thing without being shamed by me

[dark token]

does the heroic mat count towards the mythic mat

i assume no

[marble hemlock]

no?

theyre different materials

[worn kayak]

Stupid question but the Kingsbane build on the FAQ labels it as "execute" build. I don't see anything that implies it's good for execute phase? (complete newbie btw)

[dark token]

still both cost chaos tho

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck

[marble hemlock]

yes

[dark token]

but you get a free heroic mat from the renown so it doesnt matter ig

[marble hemlock]

it also doesnt matter for you, cuz you can just craft the mythic mat immedaitely

[worn kayak]

Makes sense now thanks 😄

[balmy condor]

Np

[true pelican]

you don't need to spend chaos to upgrade from heroic to mythic

[marble hemlock]

you dont have to craft the dagger with a primal infusion before you can use a concentrated one

[outer lodge]

how bad is the grind to get a rep to 25?

[marble hemlock]

its piss easy

idk what everybodys been whining about

[gusty mirage]

just time consuming

[marble hemlock]

2days of great hunts and you got it

[outer lodge]

just spam hunts?

[gusty mirage]

2 9 hour days maybe

depending on your rep level

lmao

[marble hemlock]

ye

[outer lodge]

turn in trophys with dmf buff?

[gusty mirage]

yes

without dmf buff takes a little longer

[outer lodge]

I already crafted my dagger way earlier at ilvl 389 i wonder if its worth to just farm out the infusion and recraft before tuesday?

[dark token]

the dragonscale one is awful now i think

centaur is good

tuskar is mid

valdrakken is awful as well

[marble hemlock]

idk

people are whiny

i dont get the issue with dragonscale

i farmed it after the nerfs

and it was fine?

[dark token]

how long did that take

per renown lvl

[marble hemlock]

2 nights?

[dark token]

just feels bad to get the rep the hard way after people get it super fast

[marble hemlock]

honestly probably kinda the same

[dark token]

but you were like 20 pre nerf right

[marble hemlock]

as centaurs are

its worse but like

not by much

if youve already done wrathion grind

[gusty mirage]

I'd argue centaurs are easier

[marble hemlock]

i think i was like 15 after wrathion/seballian grind

[gusty mirage]

cuz like

[marble hemlock]

definitely is cuz you can afk

[gusty mirage]

if you find a stacked group

you legit afk

[dark token]

im sitting here typing on disc while yeah

[gusty mirage]

and fly from spot to spot

[dark token]

and carrying my afk guildy too

while he eats breakfast

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[solid mica]

How u farm tuskarr rep

[dark token]

ice fishing/lava fishing

[burnt latch]

why r they nerfing my poor class we are already basically unplayable in raid

and they just keep nerfing

just a little buff for me pls i want to see the raid

[solid mica]

What class?

[dark token]

[subtle tundra]

dh

[burnt latch]

i think they should take another look at the changes

all rogue specs are pretty much dead for raid content now

[dark token]

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[solid mica]

Because dh's deserve to heal the bos when they attack

[burnt latch]

how am i meant to tell my high end guild (wr 370) that rogue should be brought when there are like 8 better melee alternatives

[candid token]

Because you’re cool

[sturdy mesa]

[solid mica]

?

I cant tell if its a troll lol

[burnt latch]

u think rogue isnt bad?

[subtle tundra]

he is not a troll

thats as much as his brain can go

[solid mica]

Why would it be bad

[dark token]

not wasting my typing responding to that but i will emoji react to questions and statements

[subtle tundra]

i mean... literally how are you supposed to play outlaw in any scenario now

[viscid spear]

He holds the daggers blade-first

[subtle tundra]

they nerfed their ST

while it was bad before

[brazen zodiac]

good idea emoji react time

[lethal heart]

idk for now my guild plans on bringing 2 rogues and we're rank 40ish

hopefully i dont get kicked for big leak

secret tech maybe

to bring rogues

[brazen zodiac]

lul

[viscid spear]

[burnt latch]

u joke but outlaw 10% dps behind assasinater and assasins are not even good ST so... i honestly think we need to ask why the changes r these hidden damage specs or what?

[burnt latch]

oh damn what guild what msg u sent or proof i guess

[subtle tundra]

we all know other specs are sandbagging their sims. they probably sim more than rogue specs

[burnt latch]

how u convicer

[dark token]

can we rename channel to assasinater

[dark token]

ye 2 rogues as well

[burnt latch]

?? really

[dark token]

im prob sin or sub

he is prob outlaw

[burnt latch]

do u play in high end guilds? (top500 or close)

[viscid spear]

I don't trust the opinion of someone that can't spell a word like "assassin" despite the name of channel being right there.

[dark token]

mid range

wr250?

[burnt latch]

oh wow damn gz

[burnt latch]

english not my first language but u get point

[strange python]

Why are you under the impression sin isn't top tier for st

[subtle tundra]

i play in lowend guilds...(top 100)

[dapper zodiac]

it has always been like this they make a new expansion just to fuck with rogue and nerf it every 1-2 weeks

[dark token]

i play in casual guild (top 8)

[subtle tundra]

have you played with other specs on ST?

[thorn crater]

uhm who's the guy that drops the hammer recipe again?

[strange python]

?? Sin is still somewhat ahead on st

[lethal heart]

i mean ngl dh/ww is better than rogue but doubt your guild has more than 2 dhs and 1 ww

[dark token]

dont even bother typing

just emoji react him

[lethal heart]

warrior is kinda meh

[subtle tundra]

🤨

feral is so op rn

straight up a better assa

[dark token]

no one in my guild wants to play

[burnt latch]

i watch loads of ptr testings, never see assasins top, nobody talk anywhere about rouge and still we get nerfed even some spec predictions i watched NOBODY but rogue top tier

[dark token]

i might play feral next tieri f still good

[lethal heart]

dk is rng a bit depends on fights

[strange python]

That's...a terrible metric.

[viscid spear]

The cat gang disapproves of your opinion

[marble hemlock]

idk, maybe have a tangible skill beyond "im only useful depending on things outside of my control"

[strange python]

Unless something massive changed or went unnoticed, ww isn't super competitive in st

[burnt latch]

we always play the best class and spec to achieve high ranks

[strange python]

My guild is top 50 and plans to bring 2 or even 3 rogues lol. Rogue seems very strong right now.

[subtle tundra]

they will probably get hotfix buffed

[barren lintel]

Poison Bomb nerf?! Why 😂😂

[subtle tundra]

they usually do

[marble hemlock]

imagine being brought for being a good progress player and not because your class is broken

sucks to suck

[strange python]

P sure only DH and feral look competitive with rogue for melee rn. Maybe enhance

[viscid spear]

[lethal heart]

being benched is privilage

enjoy it

can watch and backseat

big win

[dark token]

i raid in a low end guild (top 50) and we are bringing 2 rogue

[subtle tundra]

i am not good enough to be brought unless rogue is good

[burnt latch]

mby i can talk to the raidleaders and convice that top guild bring moear rogues too, and we play one too, idk stil think will get behcnhed when they see actual performer

[strange python]

Hmm. Just bait hours then

[subtle tundra]

sucks to suck

[subtle tundra]

the only thing you can perform at is at a circus

(got him)

[brazen zodiac]

gottem

[crude sinew]

Guys, I can’t figure out what should I craft right now, so much information, I can make 405 dagger, but don’t get what’s happening with embellishments, should I use fang right now? Will I be able to reapply bronze embellishment after?

[viscid spear]

Bring the player not the class
Ergo the player might be ass

[lethal heart]

his concern is very legit you have like 12 locked spots nowadays in a 20 man roster

[strange python]

There's reports of a bug with changing embellishments. There's also credible rumors of embellishment tuning to come soon. If you can be patient, waiting to craft your item isn't a bad idea

[lethal heart]

in raid i mean

and rogue isnt considered mandatory like dh

or mage

[strange python]

To be fair I think this is bullshit logic. Sure, you can be a 90% performing rogue in a world400 guild and earn your spot over a 70% warrior, but it's disingenuous to suggest that class strength doesn't make a roster spot easier

[burnt latch]

we play bad classes in castle nathria progress (ret pala and destro warlock) and had low wr, raid leaders do change only play best specs for domination and we get back to high end rankings, so never play bad spec again

[subtle tundra]

if its the first warrior, you'd take the worrier 200% of the time

[strange python]

C'mon you get what my point is

[subtle tundra]

no

[strange python]

Then you're being obtuse.

[subtle tundra]

im very a-cute

[strange python]

Class strength impacts rosters at all rankings.

[dim yacht]

is flaring cowl something that would be more viable in m+? also, why are the weapon embellishments used in off hands rather than main hands?

[subtle tundra]

a-cute boy

[dark token]

yeah i get his point but also he was saying crazy shit about rogue being bad and assassinator and outlaw 10% behind ST

so it was hard to take seriously

[strange python]

Well yeah that's crazy

[subtle tundra]

ilvl!

[strange python]

Afaik rogue is still the clear best melee right now. Along with maybe DH.

[balmy condor]

No, because there’s higher ilvl mainhand

[burnt latch]

whispyr what u think about my concern for assasiner and/or rogue did u read conversation?

[marble hemlock]

(btw, that d oesnt mean you cant use the weapon as your mainhand until you actually get a higher ilvl mainhand)

cuz i swear ill see some people

running around with 392 dagger in OH and 370 in MH, cause the 392 has embellishment

[viscid spear]

Guess it depends on the guild, but not everyone can play at a RWF level so they have to settle for what their limit is.

[marble hemlock]

"FAQ SAID SO"

[dim yacht]

oh that makes sense, thanks. also, what does bronze gripped wrappings actually do? im assuming a haste buff of some kind

[strange python]

Sure. But that logic assumes large gaps in skill for players in the same guild, too. Which can happen, but it still matters

[dark token]

pls rename channel to assasiner

[marble hemlock]

bro

if youre getting benched

youre not getting benched for a warrior or a DH

youre getting bencehd for the second or third best mage or warlock

so if youre worse

than the second or third best warlock

then maybe get better and stop whining about class balancing

[dark token]

git gud

[strange python]

Idk if that's true either.

[subtle tundra]

i am getting benched cause i am not play outlaw :/

[dark token]

thats valid on some tiers/some bosses

like lords of dread pre aoe buff

sin was trolling

[balmy condor]

All embellishments aside from the neck (which is a stat proc) is random garbage damage procs

[viscid spear]

I can play two classes very well and that's about it, I've long resigned myself to the fact that I'm far past my prime.

[strange python]

Roster rotations are usually within the same role. The person getting sat for the 3rd best warlock is usually the hunter/moonkin. The melees being sat are usually for other melees

[dark token]

if you 1 trick you should expect to get benched when ur 1 trick not good on a boss

[subtle tundra]

actually doess anyone know how the council fight is on mythic? is it valuable to get assa execute on it?

[marble hemlock]

thats just, like, not true

[dim yacht]

well thats boring. does the priority of embellishments in the faq change for m+?

[strange python]

I mean it is but arguing with you is completely futile.

[marble hemlock]

how long have you been an officer/raidleader making roster decisions?

[full coral]

bro no shot i left for a couple hours, come back, and it’s new ppl fighting w seli

it doesn’t end

[rigid comet]

I can play all 3 specs but i wanted to play assa

[strange python]

You know you don't have to be the raid leader to understand that fights have a melee/ranged blend right?

[dark token]

i just like making fun of comments on either side

[dark token]

[marble hemlock]

so im guessing the answer is "ive never had to make these choices"?

[thorn crater]

first kill of forgesmash and i got the plans for the hammer

is it 100% drop rate?

[dark token]

do you have a profileset snippet for embellishments?

[dim yacht]

thanks 👍

[dark token]

i guess i can look at sim sheet and copy input

[marble hemlock]

so why do you think you know what goes on in the heads of raidleaders and officers making roster decisions for individual bosses, and what their priorities are?

[strange python]

You don't drop a 5 melee boss to a 4 melee boss because of an underperforming rogue. You slot in a better performing other melee. It's why melee slots usually have 7-8 players instead of just 5

[balmy condor]

Bro I explained to you earlier it ain’t that easy

[novel arrow]

Can someone clarify something for me. If I garrote rupture. Exang, then deathmark. I am essentially doing the exact same thing as Deathmark exang. but without the downside right?

[marble hemlock]

god this is so stupid

[balmy condor]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

how about people stop arguing based on feels

[strange python]

I have, but I'm calling your argument completely nonsensical

[full coral]

ya

[dark token]

wait i must have missed that

doing my engaging centaur hunting

[drifting light]

is the opener in faq only with ss or is it really the same without?

[dark token]

with ss

[marble hemlock]

yeah i mean, ive only talked to and been a successful raidleader for 15+ years, what the fuck do i know. ive just done nonsensical stuff all these years ig

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor So final clarification, It's not bad to stack exang and deathmark. You just have to press the buttons in that order.

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[marble hemlock]

thanks for enlightening me

[balmy condor]

Correct

[marble hemlock]

with your ZERO experience on this matter

[full coral]

ok gamers gl w the fighting

[subtle tundra]

aoe buffs waiting room

[strange python]

This is my point. Every single argument you have ever made is completely devoid of any logical reasoning and might as well be the quoted example in a law101 "ad fallacy: appeal to authority" book. Your arguments are exclusively "Im right because of who I am." Let alone being told your assumption was wrong.

[thin inlet]

[strange python]

So whatever you wanna state man, go for it. I'm not gonna engage anymore.

[marble hemlock]

im arguing based on empirical evidence. is that not a thing anymore in zoomer-school these days?

is it just "i feel and therefore it is"?

[wild lion]

🍿

[strange python]

"empirical evidence" is fundamentally inconsistent with "personal experience" which was your argument.

[brazen zodiac]

://

[marble hemlock]

the what?

[balmy condor]

I feel like both of you are arguing personal experience and it’s not going anywhere

How bout we move on

[lethal heart]

no

[strange python]

I mean I'm very intentionally not. But yeah, I'm done. He's done this before.

[static glacier]

Your cute pfp makes me feel like I should listen to what you say 🥰

[dark token]

also neither of your guys personal experience means anything to make a sweeping statement about all guilds in wow

so yeah

[marble hemlock]

you shouldnt. in this specific case, you can choose to listen to the guy who has never had to make roster decisions, or the guy who talked to and interviewed dozens of high-ranking raidleaders, while also having been a RL for 15+ years. your call.

[dark token]

cause guilds manage suboptimally or not caring about perf but wanting to get the raid leader's egirl into the roster or lots of different things

[strange python]

I've already said you're wrong. You're also doubling down on not arguing logic, but arguing "because I'm me"

[subtle tundra]

i know my guild manages suboptimally considering how many times i was in when i should've been benched

(i want to be benched)

[strange python]

It's not like Germans to be so shit at logic.

[marble hemlock]

i thought you were done engaging?

im not even talking to you anymore

i got pinged and responded to someone else.

[static glacier]

I’ve seen you around (ingame, stream) and in general you are a reasonable person with reliable takes, I’m just memeing

[strange python]

Please don't pretend you didn't throw shade in your comment. Your coyness is as potent as your logic.

[viscid spear]

Some good content before I start work

[static glacier]

In reality you guys need to talk about specifics, like a specific boss, less generalisation leads to better debate and outcomes

[balmy condor]

Or

[static glacier]

Like which specific boss are we talking

[balmy condor]

We move on

[static glacier]

That works too

[balmy condor]

I can start handing out free vacations otherwise

[lethal heart]

im already on holidays

🏝️

[dark token]

https://tenor.com/bDcZc.gif

[brazen zodiac]

[dark token]

me in ohnaran plains

[lethal heart]

[brazen zodiac]

u the hunter or the prey two-foot?

[marble hemlock]

its pretty simple. people like to complain/blame blizzard for getting benched. the real issue is that raw performance potential is just one of many many metrics raidleaders use to decide on a raiding roster. softskills play a big role, some choose based on seniority etc.

at the end of the day, i dont understand why people continue trying to blame the devs of the game. theres so many things a raider can do to show to their raidleaders that theyre worth bringing, even if their class isnt topping the meters. but whining on discord/forums is easier and allows for a world where no blame needs to put on oneself

[novel arrow]

Why do I love this gif. Holy shit.

[balmy condor]

Go to bed seli

[dark token]

i will say sometimes dev design matters

(mythrax prog with 3 melee)

you wont fit your 7 melee team in

[marble hemlock]

yeah, theres some fights where its really bad, i.e. denathrius with the mirror world, that basically only allowed for 6 melee max

[dim yacht]

okay but what if you were a sin rogue in season 1 of shadowlands before the buffs came in

that was pretty bad

[burnt latch]

cant get benched if your the one picking the roster

gotta get into raid leading

altho i cant talk so thats an issue

[dark token]

thats why if you decide to 1trick

you accept some amount of benching

[dim yacht]

true

[dark token]

its like instalocking jett

[marble hemlock]

i think a 20% nerf on poison bomb is a bit of a different beast than SL season1 assa

[dark token]

you lose all right to bitch about comp

[dim yacht]

i agree im just memeing

[static glacier]

I feel like benching has more to do with the player than the class generally, since teams will almost always bring their best players outside of very specific bosses that really don’t accommodate certain classes

[strange python]

It always matters downstream even if it's only to a small degree. But anyone who's climbed the guild rankings on multiple classes can tell you how easy it is when your class is strong+stacked than weak+minimized.

[marble hemlock]

yeah well i cant tell anymore who wants to have a serious discussion and who's memeing

[dim yacht]

season 1 shadowlands was a dark time

[static glacier]

Outside of very top end where class is a major factor

[novel arrow]

What we need is the Outlaw CDR talent back. That was lit.

[barren lintel]

Please no. Fuck outlaw

[burnt latch]

do i get more points for climbing only as rogue

[novel arrow]

but give it to all rogue specs, so we aren't pidgeon holed.

[static glacier]

It might kill both other rogue specs with good reason

[marble hemlock]

absolutely. when we do a roster, theres usually only 3-5 spots where we actually have to consider which of the remaining ~8 or so players to put there. if someone is a great progress player, theyre brought regardless of class

[strange python]

Huh

[dark token]

you lose points for assinator

[burnt latch]

its the cooler version of the spec

cant believe i had like 10 of u baited aswell

for a good 20 minutes

7 cp kidney

[novel arrow]

Does Limit or Method have a rogue ? anyone know?

[dark token]

says something dumb haha look at these guys they actually thought i was dumb

[novel arrow]

Like are they gonna field one.

[marble hemlock]

wdym as in "have a rogue"

they both have multiple rogue players

[novel arrow]

I dont mean like... Perfecto is in the guild.

[dark token]

jpc is dead to u?

[strange python]

No one knows what they're gonna run till they run it and they will change rosters fight by fight

[novel arrow]

LOL

[subtle tundra]

perfecto? that averga player

[dim yacht]

rogue seems like it could be good for raids since we essentially have a 'raid buff' now right?

[static glacier]

I reckon we’ll see one rogue in wf comps minimum for atrophic

[subtle tundra]

i had to end my sentence cause my dragonflying was going random

[novel arrow]

😮 the shade .

[dim yacht]

yeah for that

[dark token]

ive seen multiple of their melee play rogue when good

like atrocity/fragnance/etc

[subtle tundra]

didnt deepshades quit?

[dark token]

cause only warlocks get to 1trick

in wf guilds

[burnt latch]

quit to cast for echo, doesnt get invited to cast for echo so has to cast for method

[novel arrow]

He's like hosting the method stream? So I assume he's not raiding

[burnt latch]

[marble hemlock]

liquid has ksp/jpc/trill who can all play rogue, method has speed/soda and im sure faithy can play rogue as well if need be

[subtle tundra]

probably cause i played some keys with him in s3, i made him quit

[novel arrow]

So you americans ready for like... Limit to be 5th again? or ... what?

😄 jk jk

I'm out. Dont @ me

[burnt latch]

liquid lost because of bad catering smh

[balmy condor]

.

[dark token]

i mean they legit went 1st or 5th

[marble hemlock]

they only got 5th in sepulcher cause they decided to not continue raiding for a few days

[dark token]

cause it was sepoolcher

[nova zenith]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[marble hemlock]

it was a pretty special situation, cuz other guilds obviously had similar issues, but its not comparable to having your entire raid in the same venue/location for 4+weeks, or having all your raiders raid from home.

[vestal cliff]

Do u guys like kingsbane or DTB more in m+ ?

[cursive igloo]

kingsbane

[marble hemlock]

KB, cuz DTB is boring :<

[cursive igloo]

kingsbane cause it has IC

[marble hemlock]

not like KB is much more interesting, its not a particularly interesting CD either

[vestal cliff]

Yeah i think ic is very nice aswell

[dark token]

DTB, cause kingsbane is so much effort for nothing

[vestal cliff]

But which does more dmg?

[dark token]

i like to chill in m+ and focus on mechanics

they are the same

[cursive igloo]

KB does in M+

DTB in ST

[dark token]

not true

they have similar overall

[subtle tundra]

how so? i'd say ic is even more chill cause you can focus on the pack more at the start

[cursive igloo]

very true

[subtle tundra]

and at the start its the most dangerous

[cursive igloo]

its a % difference

very small

[burnt latch]

not when u use cheat talents and silence mobs for 80 seconds smh

[dark token]

3 additional buttons to fire off

1 shiv, 1 kb, one exang

[subtle tundra]

3?

i mean...

[dark token]

a 2nd shiv charge per pack and you gotta keep track to do it on your kb target

[subtle tundra]

you press them on pull

and press them while you have IC bleeds anyways

[earnest remnant]

liquid has jpc and a guy called jacob playing rogue this tier

[vestal cliff]

Is there an alternative for exang?

[subtle tundra]

so you dont have to swap targets constantly

[dark token]

MA

[subtle tundra]

yes, MA

[dark token]

like dont get me wrong it wasnt hard just DTB is chillmode, identical to SL rogue basically

[ebon notch]

look what they did to my boy KSP

[vestal cliff]

What does ma do?

[dark token]

https://tenor.com/bNvkU.gif

[burnt latch]

but do they have any finns tho? no. so they cant win

[ebon notch]

go be the first

[balmy condor]

Some crit

[burnt latch]

no ive already signed up with a high wr guild (250)

[dim shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[subtle tundra]

you basically ignore it and play as if you dont have it(great talent design)

[vestal cliff]

XD nice

[ebon notch]

should only join odd number wr guilds, for good luck

[burnt latch]

thats good logic actually

[strange python]

Join rank 69

[burnt latch]

im pretty sure my guild claimed that spot in 9.1

[dark token]

if i was a guild around rank 60-70 id slow prog

to hit 69

[earnest remnant]

think mine is that on wowprog

[ebon notch]

69 these nuts?

[vestal cliff]

Does DTB with MA work?

[dark token]

why wouldnt it

wowprog? dead website

[ebon notch]

take that back zoomer

[burnt latch]

POG

[dark token]

its been dead since like legion mate

[burnt latch]

get on my level nerds

69 for life

[ebon notch]

not dead

[dark token]

lives on like some zombie yes

but its shit to use to find guilds

and everything else about the site like ilvl/prog tracking

totally useless

it ignores china too

website needs to die

[burnt latch]

ive only used wowprog to find guilds

dont kill it

big pog

[ebon notch]

ignores china good

they are sussy

although we are eternally grateful for them closing alliance hof in CN

[subtle tundra]

decided to try sub and went with the 2 sd build, this shit has 2 min sprint, 1 shadowstep, no cheatdeath, no outlaw range wtf????????

[burnt latch]

wdym its normal to have 4 mythic jailer kills on one log within 24 hours under different guilds at wr 50

[subtle tundra]

fking crippled build

[burnt latch]

peak china behavior

[ebon notch]

they truly are constructed alternatively

[burnt latch]

they are

it was hilarious

[marble hemlock]

its a shame people still havent switched

[burnt latch]

that log had data from same players spanning 26 hours or sth

[earnest imp]

well the patch notes we're dissapointing

[marble hemlock]

dont wanna be an advertising plant, but yeah, its weird that wowprog is still used

[vestal cliff]

Is outlaw better than assa ? I see so much outlaw players

[earnest imp]

i was expecting something good for m+ at this point

[burnt latch]

ppl out here grinding mythic jailer for 26 hours to get buddies hof

[marble hemlock]

when both wclogs and rio have better recruitment tools

[dark token]

hard agree

i have very specific hour requirements

[marble hemlock]

just takes a long time

for people to switch from smth theyre so used to

[dark token]

so i search for guilds by hours on wcl

which you cant on wowprog

[burnt latch]

i started playing in SL and still think wowprog is easier to find guilds in tbh

[dark token]

in the past i had to open 100 guilds from top 100-200 or w/e in seperate t abs

and tab through all, readign descriptions for hours

[ebon notch]

they put it in the description

[dark token]

to find the 10 guilds who i can app to

[earnest imp]

on m+ side of things IC/KB seems to sim 8% lower then outlaw m+ build, and when it comes to aoe im expecting outlaw will do more

[burnt latch]

so wasnt "used" to something to beging with pretty sure wlogs and raiderio had recruitment features from the start of SL

trade chat best way to find guilds tho

[dark token]

but its a searchable feature on wcl

on wowprog i have to read 100 guild descriptions

manually

[ebon notch]

wcl feels more cumbersome to use compared to wowprog for me

[marble hemlock]

why?

[dark token]

wcl just filters to the 10 guilds who i can actually app to

cause they fit schedule

[marble hemlock]

like, what feature of the site do you think makes it better than the now existing alternatives?

[subtle tundra]

outlaw sims way more than assa

[burnt latch]

i prefer the fast reload times for that site, and when i open up loads of guilds to alternative tabs and start scouring through what seem like a good fit for me, i feel like I get that part done way faster there than on wlogs. whenever i used the search feature it gave me a bunch of guilds that we're too low wr for what i was looking for, since i didnt have specific raid hours. mby if u have specific raid hours youre looknig for it would work better idk

[earnest imp]

on ST it was 8% or me Stinky

for*

[marble hemlock]

so

why not use r.io recruitment?

[burnt latch]

because i needed to post that im looking for a guild there

[earnest imp]

And i would assume pack of 8 mobs atleast, assa will get annihilated in dmg

[burnt latch]

and whislt being in a guild at the time

was cringe

[marble hemlock]

fair

[subtle tundra]

for your character?

[earnest imp]

yes

[subtle tundra]

its not really a good way of comparing

all of your gear will change in the upcoming week

looking specifically your gear rn means nothing

[swift dagger]

Whats your guys' stance on applying to another guild while still raiding with your current guild? I guess without RL not knowing ur applying to other guilds.

Not that I am in such situation im just interested to hear

[dark token]

anyone know why deathmark gives 1 combo point btw

is it a bug with seal fate

[burnt latch]

thats how i have always swapped guilds

nothing wrong with it imo

[balmy condor]

Communicate you’re looking for a new guild

[balmy condor]

1? No clue, 2 would be because shrouded

[dark token]

this is without shrouded

[balmy condor]

Yeh no clue

[dark token]

i have all bleeds up, press dm, get 1 cp

[swift dagger]

Telling RL you are looking for another guild feels like a sure way to get insta-benched tho

[balmy condor]

Maybe the garrote giving a cp?

[marble hemlock]

my guilds approach is simple: you leave during progress, you get insta kicked.

if you tell officers and its post progress, youre free to stay as long as you want, return if youd like to (and we have a spot), and keep alts in the guild and stay social on discord.

but if you leave during prog, or we even just find out youre looking for alternatives mid-prog, you get unceremoniously kicked the second we find out.

[subtle tundra]

if you have a asshole gm

[balmy condor]

But it’s never done that

[dark token]

yeah it gives 5 cp if i use vanish and reapply a SS garrote

so probably garrote counting 2x

[balmy condor]

Well it gives 5 because 1+2+2

[swift dagger]

Good talk guys, u see all kinds of things in top 1k guilds

[balmy condor]

Which is shrouded

[marble hemlock]

youre already planning to leave. if your GMs an asshole and kicks you as a response, then you didnt really lose anything

[swift dagger]

hence me asking

[subtle tundra]

good point