assassination

[red tinsel]

Outlaw is simpler but also kinda easier I feel

[slim hamlet]

The only special thing about outlaw is Roll the rng gaming

which doesn't change anything whenever you remember the icons

[icy cliff]

Can u even play that ho build without smashin ur head against desk with shitty roll rng

[red tinsel]

I actually like Outlaw a lot, just tired of doing it for M+ since Legion

[slim hamlet]

I played outlaw in season 4 because I like roll the bones, but after getting to know it it's not that fun imo

[tired crag]

outlaw is my least favourite idk

[slim hamlet]

Fun to learn boring when learned

[tired crag]

doesnt feel as good as sub or assa to me

[red tinsel]

Restless Blade is pog though and should be given to every rogue spec

[nocturne current]

I can't take a spec serious if the DPS of 1 ability is three or four times higher than the next ability in rank.

[slim hamlet]

Please don't give me even more CTS

[hexed root]

i hate that we got echoing reprimand tbh

[slim hamlet]

My hands and wrists are already pinching

[runic hinge]

I want to use daggers. That’s it.

[tired crag]

i hated echoing reprimand but i got used to it and i actually started to enjoy it

[royal lantern]

ah yes, kill the potential to ever have meaningfull cds for ALL specs 🙂

[hexed root]

tips?

[tired crag]

just playing the game tbh

[slim hamlet]

Just forget it exists

[tired crag]

i got used to it

[red tinsel]

Eh, ER is kinda lame, I liked it for Outlaw back in Shadowlands, but don't really enjoy it for Assa

[slim hamlet]

Seal fate plays the game for you

[hexed root]

the kingsbane spec still using exsang? QQ

[tired crag]

i see combo point land i use finisher

big

[hexed root]

if i forget it exists, still cast it and then ignore it?

[slim hamlet]

You cant play around it because of seal fate, so just press when it magically hits

[red tinsel]

Whispyr might personally beat me up, but I actually took ER out of my build

[icy cliff]

[hexed root]

how does it compare?

[red tinsel]

I rather take the hit than deal with it

[slim hamlet]

Dance sin build

wicked

[hexed root]

is the spreadsheet KB build still accurate? Exsang still or is that suppose to change?

[red tinsel]

The part about beating me up is that I didn't even go Dance

[nocturne current]

It ain't that bad when you get used to it really.

[slim hamlet]

So what you just left 10 talent pointts out

[tired crag]

i just use it when i see it land every now and then

i pay 0 thought to it

[nocturne current]

The first ER point is always for free, so you only have the rest to care.

[tired crag]

feels good to use rupture

[slim hamlet]

Er does indeed feel good

Specially with exsang on 45 sec

[hexed root]

what are peoples keybindings look like? I feel like I need those mice w/ 16 buttons

[slim hamlet]

Bring back exsang

my favourite abilitty

[icy cliff]

Sad we dont use dance on 3-4target cleave

[icy cliff]

[red tinsel]

I went all the way to recup, just took out ER, put it on moving 20% faster on stealth because I'm a degenerate, and last point I have no idea what to do, but its on nightstalker... and I know it doesn't increase garrote for its full duration

[weak horizon]

Will the loot system in vault of the incarnates work just like LFR in prepatch? Sorry for noob question.

[tired crag]

i havent really giga sorted it but i use these binds

[slim hamlet]

Actually just illegal

[royal lantern]

fuck off 🙂

[nocturne current]

Just go ER.. You get used to it in 3 or 4 rotations.

[red tinsel]

While it may sound like a crime, I found the DPS hit I take from it to not impact me as much as I didn't fully use it 100% efficiently

[icy cliff]

As someone who pressed exsang first time on df launch i think it was fun cd

[slim hamlet]

Because of the bug it is legit impossible to miss animacharged points

[slim hamlet]

Same

I love exsang

[red tinsel]

I came in hating Exsang and Thistle, now I love them both

[icy cliff]

Idk why people cry about it dots go brrr

[red tinsel]

And I really wish we had some CDR for exsang, like restless

[nocturne current]

ER just imagine you have a shit ton of crit and you old-school Mutilate for 4. But it's just a regular muti.

[red tinsel]

Could have been a nice compromise, exsang is 3min but has a restless blade cdr

[hexed root]

T and X are some good bindings I can probably get use to using.

idk why I'm not using t

[icy cliff]

3min exsang is cbt

[red tinsel]

Haven't heard of that

[icy cliff]

45sec was

[slim hamlet]

X is prime

[tired crag]

ngl i forgot to press exsang sometimes when i was learning the rotation

the moment i got used to it it was changed to 3 mins

[slim hamlet]

The combo points are supposed to stay there for45 sec, but they stay there forever, just invisible

[tired crag]

unfortunate

or fortunate who knows

[red tinsel]

Yeah I used ER for a bit, just not a big fan of it.

[hexed root]

maybe that fixed my concern w/ all the sin buttons tbh

[slim hamlet]

I legit pugged heroic fated raids in prepatch, logged it and everything with title "learning exsang" everytime

And then 3 min epic

[tired crag]

XD

[hexed root]

it looks like exsang is still used in the kingsbane build so worth knowing how to use?

[trim zinc]

just try to hit the bblue cps , try it

[tired crag]

just line it up in 3 mins

[red tinsel]

I loved ER + Dreadblade on prepatch

[slim hamlet]

Dreadblades on prepatch outlaw

Legit infinite CP and energy

[red tinsel]

I knew people would hate me for not going ER hahaha

[slim hamlet]

that thing was insane

[nocturne current]

IC -> ER -> Rupture x+ mobs is the best feeling to have fat ticks for a long time.

[red tinsel]

I had more finishers than builders , and I loved it

[trim zinc]

i dont hate u, i just want your better ❤️

[nocturne current]

It's fine, you play what you like/don't like.

[trim zinc]

we would hate u if u talk about outlaw here

[urban minnow]

how do you get the embelishments? im not seeing bronzed grip wrappings on the ah

[trim zinc]

raid drop

[runic hinge]

The raid

[slim hamlet]

Recipe is from raid

[urban minnow]

ah

[red tinsel]

That's a good point I overlooked, I did all my testing on single target but ER really makes it much easier to IC a 7cp rup

[urban minnow]

are you able to add it later in a recraft ?

[slim hamlet]

Not currently, but highly likely that is a buug

[royal lantern]

its somewhat hard to do a 7cp rupture Without it tbh

[red tinsel]

How much haste do you guys run on Assa? Like I got 10% and I feel that sometimes it gets slow... when tea is done

[urban minnow]

what embelishment should we add since we cant do bronze wrapping now

[slim hamlet]

0%

[red tinsel]

Yeah it's clunky, I didn't think of that before and was doing it anyway

[trim zinc]

There's not a haste cap or breakpont

[tired crag]

haste is ass i heard

[slim hamlet]

[nocturne current]

IC -> SS -> SS -> Crimson -> ER -> Rupture and you probably won't have to deal with bleeds in pack again for entire pack.

[trim zinc]

U just sim your character

[royal lantern]

dude

you cant have 7cp without it

[slim hamlet]

Outlaw normie

[dense hamlet]

[cursive igloo]

haste is bad now

[slim hamlet]

it's 3rd

[balmy condor]

idk if bad is the right term

if you don't have any haste it's pretty good

[slim hamlet]

Yeah true not "bad" it fucking sucks is what you meant

[balmy condor]

if you have some, it's kinda mid

[red tinsel]

Busted. But yeah I'm too used to Outlaw style that I totally forgot Assa just has 6 cp

[cursive igloo]

mid=/=bad

[urban minnow]

what embelishments do we get for now since we cant get bronze?

[cursive igloo]

its not something to go out of your way for

[royal lantern]

this is wow, even great is bad

[cursive igloo]

hahahaha

[royal lantern]

cus great is not the best

[slim hamlet]

If you want now it's the fang

[gusty mirage]

hold off on embellishments for now

[red tinsel]

I followed whispyr recommendation and actually went to find out my needed secondaries on raid bots, ended up I had way too much crit and should look for mastery and haste a bit

[balmy condor]

did you stat weight

[red tinsel]

So I'm just wondering what % is a good point for haste

[balmy condor]

it sounds like you used stat weights

[trim zinc]

Don't use stats weights pls

Aaaaaa

[slim hamlet]

"too much crit"

Sus

[royal lantern]

stat weight DN

[gusty mirage]

too insignificant to find any gains

unlucky

[red tinsel]

Yeah, for me it was something like mastery, then haste, then crit and versa. I had a bit too much versa too

[balmy condor]

AAAAA

stat weights are banned

[red tinsel]

Wasn't supposed to do Stat weight?

[royal lantern]

ofc oxi does react to an DN

[slim hamlet]

Run Ashblade

[balmy condor]

no more stat weights

[slim hamlet]

Get out of here

[royal lantern]

[cursive igloo]

[drifting cloud]

best stat as always is ilvl

[nocturne current]

See Haste, click pass.

[slim hamlet]

Specially for rings and necks

[balmy condor]

[red tinsel]

It's probably the 3rd time this happens

[balmy condor]

haste isn't a bad stat

please

[slim hamlet]

No as I said before

It isnt bad

it is omega poopi

🙂

[urban minnow]

how behind is fang adornments compared to bronzed?

[cursive igloo]

nah haste is 3rd so a little is enough but its not something you aim for

[nocturne current]

Haste is that remaining item you leave on cuz you're getting unlucky with the crit drops. So you always will naturally have some.

[red tinsel]

It isn't good because it has a low benefit, right? The energy gen is not high enough and it makes us have to reset our dots more often, wasting globals? Is that kind of the gist?

[royal lantern]

energy gain from haste is a meme

[slim hamlet]

Almost

[icy cliff]

Better stat give more dps

[slim hamlet]

Dots dont go faster with haste

[cursive igloo]

[icy cliff]

[slim hamlet]

Unless I'm big dumb

[urban minnow]

sorry if im late to the party but why only embelish your offhand? if im crafting this for my mainhand do i not embelish it?

[red tinsel]

Sadly energy gain is pretty much all I wanted.

[red tinsel]

Thought they ticked faster?

[balmy condor]

they do, they just don't compress

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-spill-the-tea-gif-26065979

[balmy condor]

it's full length

just faster

[slim hamlet]

Yeah that's what i meant

[icy cliff]

Gains extra ticks

[cursive igloo]

you're only allowed 2

[slim hamlet]

Probably just didnt say it right

[cursive igloo]

an mainhand drops from raid not crafted

[urban minnow]

ok cool

[red tinsel]

Unfortunately sometimes I drink too much and find myself out of stock

[slim hamlet]

Higher ilvl goes mainhand

[icy cliff]

Give firehat and ring

[slim hamlet]

Also it is 5:40 AM so goodnight

[cursive igloo]

see you in 20

[autumn beacon]

do you lose your enchants when you recraft?

[tired crag]

goodnight!

[royal lantern]

the amount of people that think they will get the ring fast are ridicolous man

[red tinsel]

Not sure, but the item barely changes anything, it even keeps the set it was saved on

[drifting cosmos]

just as I thought legion pb was kinda back and then nerf hammer came

[balmy condor]

it's 40 dps better

I need it

[dark token]

i need this chart for outlaw/sub

other TCs step up

im guessing its neck/dag as well tho

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's similar for them I think

just wait till it all gets re-tuned

and then it'll be like the snowball set is 15% now

pog

[oblique jackal]

the constant tuning sucks :/

I geared for Sin

[trim zinc]

Play sin

[cursive igloo]

nice

[balmy condor]

why is that a problem

[cursive igloo]

cause its not the best of the best

[hexed root]

whats the best of the best at the moment?

[cursive igloo]

DH and WW

[hexed root]

[dark token]

warlock

[hexed root]

so outlaw both st and aoe

[oblique jackal]

ive decided to agree with whispyr and say fuck outlaw

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[outer marten]

^^ I'm there too.

[trim zinc]

And most people here

[oblique jackal]

What embellishment for the dagger?

[dark token]

none

its bugged

craft dagger when u can get the embellishment from raid

#assassination message

[twilit hollow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[austere moss]

Question, if I'm fighting let's say 8 targets and Indiscripinate Carnage is not up, do I still want to try to use combo points on using rupture on all 8?

[oblique jackal]

Are we taking 2 devotion for enchants?

[balmy condor]

double sophic yeah

[balmy condor]

you would just want enough ruptures to get your energy up high enough to fill every GCD

and then just CT

[austere moss]

how would i know how many targets that is?

[balmy condor]

you would feel it

if you're starved, get another rupture out

if you're not starved, you're good

[austere moss]

for most rouges would it be 3?

[balmy condor]

depends on how many garrotes you have out I guess

but usually between 5-6 bleeds

[austere moss]

thanks Whispyr

[upbeat tangle]

my guy whispyr, i simmed the whole night, pure st assa will be still a lil bit better then outlaw, with adds ofcourse not, do you personally play assa on most bosses for the pure advantage in ST or will u go outlaw on every boss that has adds ? just from your feeling, i know we cant predict 100% whats gonna happen

[dark token]

whispyr doesnt play outlaw iirc

sub or sin

[balmy condor]

yeh I don't play outlaw ever

[upbeat tangle]

oh i see

[balmy condor]

but just hypothetically

if you value the add damage

outlaw will be better

[dark token]

HO build is probably the best iteration of it just fyi

feels better than most sub iterations

[balmy condor]

yeh outlaw just too much crackhead energy for me

not my cup of tea

[upbeat tangle]

i dont like outlaw too , simmed the whole night to make myself feel better about wanting to play sub n sin , we can play assa on the bosses where we dont have a lot or frequent adds, and on the bosses with a lot of adds we can just powder, which will be a bit worse then outlaw but we good i think, right ?

[oblique jackal]

whats the HO build for sub?

[rain oyster]

HO is outlaw

[balmy condor]

again really depends on what you're priority is

for any type of overall/add damage, sin ain't the spec

[upbeat tangle]

yea i see, ty for your infos

[balmy condor]

I personally don't really care for the adds

I'm boss dam pumper

and that's my job

and that's what I'll do

the warlocks and monks and hunters and mages of the world will obliterate the adds for me

no biggie

[nocturne current]

Yeah, you have a good raid leader

[nocturne current]

And unless you are going for super high end push you can play whatever you like, because, it likely for sure won't be the reason your group is wiping in the first place.

[rain oyster]

crit city

jeeesus

[upbeat tangle]

yea for sure, im in a rather low-end mythic guild, i just wanna always play my stuff to the fullest, not in terms of overall dmg , but in terms of value, mostly i value ST over everything as rogue since other classes can do aoe and cleavy stuff a lot better with a lot less loss in ST, so ima just stick to sin too and on some burst aoe fights i consider playing sub, aslong as i can ditch outlaw and its not too much of a crime, ill do it 😄

[nocturne current]

Thats some juicy tetriaries.

[austere tulip]

How many bosses are single target in this raid? People says just one..

[balmy condor]

yep

[nocturne current]

How tf you got so much Leech tho?

[rain oyster]

leeching poison

10%

[nocturne current]

Is that an addon?

[rain oyster]

probs

[nocturne current]

Mine doesn't show the natural leeching poison

[nocturne current]

Ah ok thats it then

[rain oyster]

i only have the 2 leech enchants otherwise

which is like 1%

[nocturne current]

yeye thats it then

For a second you made me thought you had 10% + 10%

[echo talon]

Hi! I'm trying to figure out the opener for ST "Dragon-Tempered" build, can anyone help me out?

[dark token]

depends if you have shrouded suffication or not

[echo talon]

nope

[hidden haven]

does IC just break when you try to use it on a pack that has a mob immune to bleeds in it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[nocturne current]

yea

[dark token]

also if u have master assassin or not

[hidden haven]

k thought i was going crazy thanks

[balmy condor]

I'm interested in hearing this one

[dark token]

actually nah cause you one global for improved garrote then just ambush envenom either way

you are right

[balmy condor]

AMBUSH

how are you getting that ambush

[dark token]

with vanish?

[balmy condor]

okay so you vanish gar

then what

[dark token]

vanish, ambush, envenom (if at 6) otherwise gar evenom

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah sure

super minmaxy shit

I fuck with it

[dark token]

improved garrote works for 3s :D

but you are right MA doesnt change what you do

[echo talon]

Neither but im interested in knowing each opener, the build may change depending of the encounter

[dark token]

without SS or exang i would do ambush, snd, garrote, build to 5, rupture, deathmark, shiv, ER, envenom. use vanish when empowered garrote dropping off

[nocturne current]

But didnt Whisp build an opener calculator in the guide, you can tick on/off the talents you have an it'll give the opener.

[balmy condor]

yeh that shits jank as hell

[dark token]

i dont trust wowhead ticker on/off

[balmy condor]

also assumes that you have ss right now

[echo talon]

[nocturne current]

Ah

[balmy condor]

because it's all pre-exsang nerf

[balmy condor]

neither do I you're chillin

that toggler shit is so difficult to use it's insane

behind the scenes it's just one full list

[normal olive]

you guys have openers?

[balmy condor]

and then only control I have is "toggler 1 - hide/show"

[dark token]

i do like the DTB opener as it isnt 18 buttons long

in m0 the bosses would die before i finish my opener

[balmy condor]

so the list needs to have like duplicates and triplicates and quadruplets of each ability

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

in case you hit a toggle

[nocturne current]

pat bleeds, tern en slide n deice, klick in red rune thing, envenom spam

[balmy condor]

and if you hit 2 togglers?

forget it

I can't define combination of togglers

[idle radish]

is anything changing in builds with these nerfs?

[balmy condor]

so hitting more than 1 toggle is almost guaranteed to break any logic

[balmy condor]

nop

[dark token]

less green on ground

[idle radish]

i kinda like sin in m+

maybe im crazy

[nocturne current]

Appart from ST being a bit.. eh, it's pretty solid otherwise

[idle radish]

is it no longer the best ST rogue spec?

[dark token]

sin ST is its strongest point in m+

[nocturne current]

With a global build or pure ST?

[dark token]

dtb build

[nocturne current]

Oh I mean IC+KB

[dark token]

i think carnage/KB too much effort for what it does

probably gonna go sub for m+ honestly

big ooga booga sectech feels nice

and you multidot better than sin

with the rupture talent

[idle radish]

ya i think im going sub as well for m+ pushing

but i like how sin plays

[nocturne current]

Only thing I dont like DTB is that it's too reliant on PB and I never been a fan of ground-based abilities

[idle radish]

carnage feels very good if you can restealth

[dark token]

the rupture talent feels INSANELY nice as sub, especially when they add smart targeting

would love to see one for garrote in the future maybe

altho less likely with IC existing

[nocturne current]

But you think carnage is too much effort, how comes?

[urban minnow]

im sorry, what rupture talent for sub?

[nocturne current]

I see it easy mode somehow.

garrote, er, rupture and you're rolling

[urban minnow]

@dark token which rupture talent for sub?

[idle radish]

rupture apllies to another target

[urban minnow]

oh replicating shadows

my bad

[outer marten]

Sectec interaction is being gutted. CB is changed in the hotfixes

[dark token]

gutted?

fixed

it is better now

[balmy condor]

it's a buff

[outer marten]

Guess I didn't understand. Thought it wasn't going to work on the clones anymore

[balmy condor]

it works on the whole ability

rather than just the clones

[outer marten]

gotcha, makes sense

[dark token]

if you cold blood like we do now, it wont apply to clones

if you cold blood BEFORE sectech, it works on initial hit + clones

[outer marten]

Ahh, so how it should've to begin with. Nice

[mental igloo]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[timber fable]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sonic briar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rich scaffold]

Leech and PB nerfs

[thin gate]

tbh, the could have just nerfed the pb damage :/

nothing feels as good, as a pb popping up

[balmy condor]

I doubt you'll notice a difference honestly

50% chance to 40% chance

[thin gate]

yh true

[balmy condor]

is kinda whatever

[thin gate]

ER provides enough pb procs anyway

[balmy condor]

indirect ER nerf

[thin gate]

shadow dance inc

[balmy condor]

lmao

yeah, shadow dance

-10%

[thin gate]

#1 AA damage

COS Ring OP

[balmy condor]

dance is like, almost usable on the council fight

with 4 target sustained

but it's still worse

[brazen zodiac]

i did kinda find it funny dragondiving into 10 alliance with IC and perma healing

rip lp

[marble hemlock]

wish we wouldnt lose as much dmg with dance

would love another set of silences

😦

[brazen zodiac]

:(

[wispy chasm]

What does the offhand embellishment actually do?

[steel sorrel]

Arcane dmg on procc

[wispy chasm]

gotcha, trying to figure out if I wanna go neck or dagger first

[steel sorrel]

Wait with offhand

[balmy condor]

All the embellishments are just random proc damage, except for neck which is random stat proc

[steel sorrel]

Embellishment isnt released yet and currently yoy cannot recraft on them. So hold on and see if it get fixed before you make dagger id say

Read pinned messages @wispy chasm

[wispy chasm]

I will have a 405 dagger next week is why I was thinking about dagger first

[plain onyx]

May i ask a stupid question ? 😔

[steel sorrel]

Yeah, if you can find someone lucky enough to get the bronzed grip recepie drop then you might be able to get it

[trim dirge]

can just do fang adornments

[steel sorrel]

ofc

[thin gate]

guys, i got a question: i crafted myself a 392 dagger.
ill get the 405 reagence later today.
Can i recraft the 392 dagger into 405? and if so, is it a safe 405? bcs its already quality 5

[trim dirge]

i recrafted with embellishment today and it was fine

[wispy chasm]

Yes, I know they are bugged just trying to figure out what first, assuming they will be fixed.

[plain onyx]

What is an Embellishment?

[steel sorrel]

true, the dmg digg is minimal but why settle for less?

[thin gate]

@plain onyx when crafting items u can add effects onto em.

[steel sorrel]

a procc you can add on some crafted gear

[trim dirge]

it’s not settling for less, it’s using one because the other is unavailable

[steel sorrel]

I guess if you are a Mythic raider going for world first fang is an option but what is 0,7% more dmg gonna do for avarage joe?

I would wait a few days more

[thin gate]

@steel sorrel feel better

[trim dirge]

it’s cheap and there’s no downside

[balmy condor]

The downside is you use time gated materials to craft

[steel sorrel]

haha what? I am feeling great xD

[thin gate]

+0,7 makes u feel even better

xD

[steel sorrel]

HAHAHAAHA

[balmy condor]

All the idiots crafting embellishments before raid release are gonna mald like hell when they get nerfed

[steel sorrel]

Not when I cannot recraft bronzed on it and I lose out on poss dps

[balmy condor]

And I’m so ready for it

[trim dirge]

well he already has the dagger

[analog oasis]

Thoughts on the wowhead article saying outlaw will probably see more play due to the nerf to

[verbal tusk]

https://gyazo.com/c655bc63b7f3a198e31a98122e3e2b03 not bad for the worst pvp rogue on tich who never pves but needs to for reps and stuff now and made up a spec on the spot so he could run a heroic 🙂

[balmy condor]

Tier lists legit just clickbait for ad revenue and you fell for it

[analog oasis]

I’m doing my part

[indigo kayak]

i mean the logic of it going from A to S was that sin was nerfed, except at the time outlaw didnt actually have any improvements so you cant justify it being better unless your placements are only relative to the other specs

[balmy condor]

They didn’t even ask the rogue writers for their opinion

They just moved outlaw and sin around

And made a post

GG free money

[steel sorrel]

Yes you can, just gotta find a BS skilled ebough to make it 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yeh every tier list is just straight nonsense

[steel sorrel]

standard....

[balmy condor]

Having done many tier lists myself

[thin gate]

so a once crafted quality 5 stays quality 5 when adding the reagence?

[balmy condor]

I can tell you that 95% of them are just straight up blindly throwing darts into the void

[indigo kayak]

i think it just means only a crafter that will always craft 5* can pick up the order

[steel sorrel]

People in my guild said assa is bad, I top every meter there is and now they cry

[verbal tusk]

Can a smart person judge my heroic/mythic dungeon pve spec?

[balmy condor]

What’s the build

[trim zinc]

theres no smart poeple here sadge

[verbal tusk]

BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVTTSSSSkElEAAAAAAAJSgkIAAAAAAAkkoQJJgkkWQSyBkkQkA

[balmy condor]

Can you send a screenshot

I ain’t importing that

[steel sorrel]

xD

[verbal tusk]

https://gyazo.com/8cb15315ffa4f61909a5395fd6f98e7e

[earnest remnant]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

Ty

[late veldt]

Strap in

[balmy condor]

Holy

[verbal tusk]

wheee

lets hear it

[balmy condor]

Out of all of the builds, that is definitely one of them

[thin gate]

why no silence

😦

[verbal tusk]

for.. dungeons?

[steel sorrel]

considered a good thing becuase there is alot of casters in dungeonds this time

[trim zinc]

yes, super op with ic
its an aoe silence that gives DR to your tank and big dmg

even without ic tbh

[thin gate]

this.

[grim tangle]

guy doesn't have seal fate who cares about silence

[abstract junco]

Anyone have a line on how much more of a pita spiteful is because of our reliance on IC? Feeling a little AoE salty tonite.

[trim zinc]

okay i didnt even see that , fok 1 cp;-;

like at least he have cttc

[balmy condor]

Okay so in rough order of most egregious to kinda whatever:

Not taking seal fate is probably one of the most awful things you could do, especially since you’re putting the points into…. Move speed? Nightstalker? Way too much utility and random 0 dps talents

The spec tree is…. Kinda okay but I don’t understand why you’re taking tiny toxic instead of blindside. They both do single target but blindside is WAY better, just a bad take.

In these low dungeons not having iron wire is fine but if you’re planning on doing any difficult dungeon content you’re better off playing a different spec if you’re not going to take iron wire, it’s the only thing really has going for it.

Sbs is fine i guess but you could’ve just taken zoldyck instead.

The poison nodes without dragon tempered is…. A choice you made

Twist the knife is kinda fine? But usually you take amp/twist in order to get to poison bomb, which you don’t, so seems like a wasted point

In General it feels like you’re avoiding the bottom of the trees for some reason, which is super weird considering that’s where most of the power is

Oh also taking elusiveness over cheat death?

[dark token]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

That’s some giga pvp shit

Elusiveness in pve is kinda whack

[verbal tusk]

is elusiveness not worth it with the extensive amount of aoe?

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Feint handles aoe fine

[trim zinc]

it doesnt makes your aoe dr better so not for that i guess

[balmy condor]

Just cut all this shit

All those points are 0 dps and kinda niche utility

That’s like 7 points worth 0 damage

And you’re getting some movespeed, a 3% phys DR, and some extra crimson vial healing

[verbal tusk]

https://gyazo.com/204a5cc96db89cc55cb1fab8b0f24d1b ?

[balmy condor]

Better

[verbal tusk]

lol stole it from the spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

That’s basically what the faq build is :P

Yeah

[verbal tusk]

mine was literally thrown together cause I got tired of world quests and decided to hop into dungeons for the first time this expansion. feels like I had a couple of ideas that made sense but not the setup to make them work

exsang still post nerf?

[dense cedar]

first time into dungeons??

[thin gate]

yep, still best talent

its free to skill

[verbal tusk]

i pvp.. wow = pvp.

wow only = pvp

or at least it had been in past couple of expansions.

[keen sandal]

i kill monsters

[verbal tusk]

given that assassination feels.. better? .. in pve. i MAY try pushing keys and raiding a bit

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s pretty good

If you want the prio

You take exsang

If you just want passive damage

You take MA

But you gotta pick one, because not taking iron wire is giga trolling

[verbal tusk]

we have a lot of buttons now.. but..despite what seems to be somes opinion.. i dont think i'm overloaded. the rotation still makes..some sense to me despite being dumb

i'll roll with exsang and try it out.

[raven egret]

Been playing Sin since hitting 70, still debating what I am going into the season with.. Sin or Sub... but Sin feels good to play overall imo

[balmy condor]

Yeah it can be a lot of buttons

[raven egret]

had mad bursts in dungeons

[thorn crater]

wait that build wasnt troll?

[balmy condor]

What build

[thin gate]

@verbal tusk dont forget, exsang makes also ur deathmark run out faster so always cast exsang pre deathmark

[verbal tusk]

no. again.. it was me queuing for a dungeon. realizing the only build i had was the "starter build" and my pvp build and cliking stuff I thought would do damage in pve

hence why I asked smart people to guide me

[nocturne current]

I'm the only rebel who doesn't run Iron Wire.

[trim zinc]

Troll

[verbal tusk]

how.. dumb.. would it be to swap blindside and tiny toxic?

[nocturne current]

I play TTB and LS

[thin gate]

keep blindside, it provides u at least some dps in ST @median spire

[verbal tusk]

😦

[raven egret]

and free CPs

[thin gate]

its also free cp regen, since it doesnt cost any energy

[verbal tusk]

sooo i now have to find a non stealth bar spot and keybind for ambush!

[nocturne current]

Troll for what, if your tank doesn't really need it, it's useless.

[balmy condor]

[thin gate]

@nocturne current its a utility we bring as assas, which other rogue specs dont have.

[dense cedar]

why woulod they not need it

[balmy condor]

Your tank has never called for an iron bark?

[trim zinc]

Ls?

[nocturne current]

Yeah but as an utility, if it isn't needed, it's useless waste of talent points

[dense cedar]

its mitigation

[coral rivet]

Sounds like a Tank Problem

[cyan sandal]

@balmy condor for VoA raid bosses, would you go for single target build + execute rather than single target sustained?

[nocturne current]

15%.. .woah, game changing.

Rofl

For 8 seconds

[dense cedar]

that's a lot wdym

[thin gate]

wtf

15%

is like giga

[coral rivet]

Xd

Chad

[balmy condor]

They each have their merits

[trim dirge]

tanks also just got nerfed

[nocturne current]

No it isn't "giga" it's mediocre at best.

[balmy condor]

Execute doesn’t seem mandatory

[trim zinc]

Okay even if your tank is gigachad and doesn't need the dr
The aoe silence is huge
Waaaay less kicks to land to group up the pack

[balmy condor]

Can play whichever you like

[cyan sandal]

I see thank you as always ^^

[balmy condor]

Pleasure

[thin gate]

i mean its ur choice, if u dont want to play ironwire just got for ur 0,5% overall talent

[raven egret]

thats the dtb vs kingsbane choice right

[trim zinc]

Don't u think that the aoe silence is ultra giga??

[subtle tundra]

Damn sub also got nerfed so I'm back to assa :/

[keen raven]

also outlaw gets numbing too

asas doesnt provide any more util other than the silence/dmg reduc

and its dps is too dog to warrant it in m+ rn

[nocturne current]

No, most of the casts you can either dodge or it's 1 or 2 mobs you can kick or ignore, so no, it isn't as giga.

[thin gate]

there are some rules in our society, you even play assa if its the worst spec.

[keen raven]

maybe in tyranical asas can be justified

but still prob not

[raven egret]

assa slaps sooooo its justified. GG EZ

[subtle tundra]

No lol

[trim zinc]

And if it's a pack with 8+ casters u don't have all those kicks to group em up
And sometimes u cant los em

[nocturne current]

In that very niche scenario, sure.

[subtle tundra]

That's really not how m+ works

[keen raven]

hence why i said

still prob not

[coral rivet]

I cant wait to see some warcraftlogs

Most exciting Part of New meta, for me

[silk bane]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dense cedar]

!Vansolo

?

[balmy condor]

!log @dense cedar

Oh

That’s not the right command

[dense cedar]

its joke dw

[balmy condor]

I was about to roast you

For having gamer words

[dense cedar]

gamer words?

[balmy condor]

Looks like you’re safe though

[dense cedar]

aren't gamer words just slurs

[balmy condor]

We track mutes/warns/filter hits

Lot of r words

[dense cedar]

rhubarb

[rich scaffold]

Is over 25% crit (sec stat) even worth or should i just sim it?

[balmy condor]

But you’re clean

[balmy condor]

Always sim

There’s no breakpoints

People are like 30+% already

And will most likely go higher

Just depends on your gear

[raven egret]

34% current gear 😄

[balmy condor]

The infexious number

God bless amen

[full coral]

[raven egret]

I'm looking into builds right now, since i decided to go Sin next week - for M+ it felt quite natural to play IC and Kingsbane, but is DTB really that close in damage for M+

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor hows shiv used for the DTB build?

[balmy condor]

Ye IC has burst and no sustain

Also weaker single target

So IC wins in aoe

But then loses hard in single target and cleave

[balmy condor]

Holding 1 for Deathmark

[earnest remnant]

ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, in m0 thats actually true

But I think people were asking about Mythic+

[dense cedar]

who bases descisons on m0

[raven egret]

Thanks for the reply on the M+ builds, I loved playing with IC so far, less need to spend time spreading bleeds.. but I get the idea

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor ur plates are AWESOME

[balmy condor]

Ty king

[marble hemlock]

Whispyr has a car with cool plates?

[dense cedar]

Sangreal after having a meal over at Whispyr's place

[balmy condor]

No I have a really complicated plater profile

[balmy condor]

Your mom said I have nice China

[dense cedar]

never used plater

[thorn crater]

its insane ngl

i literally never have to look down again

[marble hemlock]

idk everytime i check this guy is playing maplestory

[dense cedar]

i got mother trauma bro pls

[thorn crater]

and it fits perfectly with my circle arraigned WA tracking

[balmy condor]

god I fucking wish

[nocturne current]

Really, because I did high end keys and I count by the fingers the amount of times you actually need to mass-interrupt anything. At most in a two-pack combination, there's 2-3 casters and 1 or 2 max essential spells you need to interrupt, everything else is a waste.

[balmy condor]

We’re in the middle of winter update in maplestory man I need to GRIND

Gotta log in and GRUSTLE

[dense cedar]

i literally saw 'doing dungeons' in the stream title and its maplestory instead

[balmy condor]

My dungeon group was an hour late

Had to spend time somehow

[dense cedar]

excuses

[balmy condor]

What do you think I’m gonna do

Farm dirt?

Like a loser?

Afk hunts?

Like @gusty mirage?

[dense cedar]

The true morality question to ask any rogue is; what is your 2nd favourite class?

[marble hemlock]

Okay cool. Not like I asked what keys you did, but thanks for volunteering that unsolicited information.

Looking at the selection of dungeons for the first season, there is quite a few with packs with spread mobs, where an initial silence is pretty potent and helps getting mobs stacked up faster, which just results in more damage from everybody. But hey, solar beam has basically always been useless right, so an ability thats simply superior to it must be entirely pointless.

[gusty mirage]

okay buddy

[dense cedar]

sorry bro but this looks like a cry for help

[nocturne current]

Yeah I'm sure it's a ton of spread out mobs that totally can't be pulled without talenting into it.

[thorn crater]

farming dirt aint as asimple unfortunately

barely saw 2 after lfying around like a mongrel for half an hour

[dense cedar]

hyperf0x only runs with prot pallys

[raven egret]

Got to find the dirt leylines and follow them

[trim zinc]

Havoc and spriest

[thin gate]

@balmy condor how do we use Thistle Tea properly? do we spam it for the increased mastery in dps windows or only use when low energy?

[dense cedar]

u r a fucking sinner, u will be at mega hell

spirest fine tho

[marble hemlock]

Like what? An interrupt? One that might be needed/assigned later? With m+ being designed around basically interrupting every single fucking spell because they just fucking hurt, having more interrupts (especially now that some classes have to actually play without one/lose dps if they go for one), having more is just never bad

[dense cedar]

(my fav is probably monk lmao)

[balmy condor]

During kingsbane/deathmark If You’re going to overcap on charges, otherwise for energy

[marble hemlock]

Unless you think its reasonable to set up a pull with 3 different hard-interrupts when you coudl just, ya know, aoe silence

[thin gate]

ty

[nocturne current]

Yeah it's hard to just normal kick, gouge or small-stun the one or two caster left behind in a mass pull.

[marble hemlock]

But hey, when your tank is gonna pull 15 mobs together in Halls of Valor, with 4 of them being casters that use 2 different spell schools, an aoe silence is gonna be pointless

[raven egret]

Furry rogues (feral)

[dense cedar]

blessed choice

[marble hemlock]

You wanna stun a mob that isnt stacked up with the rest of the pack to interrupt a cast, instead of silencing it?

[dense cedar]

tbh the only thing i've started leveling is my DK

[marble hemlock]

Quick question: What do you consider "high keys"?

[dense cedar]

never played one properly before

[hasty vale]

Is outlaw really going to be the go to spec for rogues?

[dense cedar]

they have a lot of resources that do literally nothing

[trim zinc]

Yes lol

[nocturne current]

How many times are you going to pull 15 mobs in a single dungeon? Really enlighten me.

[raven egret]

I have an evoker up as primary alt, to farm augment runes and healer backup for raid... but regrets

[nocturne current]

Even at 10 I doubt.

[dense cedar]

isn't the double pull in HoV like basically 15?

[full coral]

[marble hemlock]

I mean, most of Halls of Valor is just massive pulls. Court of stars has multiple big pulls. So do Academy, Lifepools, and nokhud has 2/3 areas with multiple casters

[marble hemlock]

depends on how big you go, if you do legion pulls, then the pull after hymdall is like 30 mobs

[nocturne current]

"multiple casters". Aint' that many casters you can't really do without a mass silence to gather them.

[dense cedar]

gonna say we can't do that anymore tbh

[twilit hollow]

man i love when random people know better than a long time theorycrafter for the spec with an actual history of playing the spec in keys

[marble hemlock]

Idk if youre just clueless, trolling, or actually believe what you say

[nocturne current]

Just rogue alone pulling can interrupt two casters.

[twilit hollow]

like honestly who the fuck even are you hyperfox

[full coral]

[twilit hollow]

you do nothing but troll your balls off in this channel lmfao

[nocturne current]

No, people are just bad.

[trim zinc]

15/20s isn't high end keys

[nocturne current]

Wanna bring a kit when you don't need it, sure, but don't make it church.

[twilit hollow]

my brother in christ, you peeked doing 19s in an easy season

[hasty vale]

Question, whats the opener for the new DTB build?

[nocturne current]

I don't do 15/20's, so yeah.

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, I'm just bad at Assa in m+

[nocturne current]

So am I.

[marble hemlock]

Please enlighten us. How are you gonna help stack up 2 mobs without garrote silence

That use different spellschools

[full coral]

not me, i’m a fkin freak at it

shout out to u guys tho

[dense cedar]

hyperfox doing +35s god gamer

[twilit hollow]

hyperfox still thinks his beta keys matter

[full coral]

i dno if personal attacks are rly the wave tho

might just b better off ignoring the dude and moving on

[marble hemlock]

Like, how delusional do you have to be to look at "25y aoe solarbeam that also gives the tank an ironbark" and say "yeah, thats not that great/useful"

[nocturne current]

Sure, use Iron in that, everything else, most of the times it's mitigation overkill.

[dense cedar]

weird take for someone called toxicity

[nocturne current]

Because it isn't.

[full coral]

ur right actually, lets find his logs next

[rich lark]

Leak the logs!!!

[full coral]

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

[rich lark]

https://tenor.com/view/just-bleed-guy-ufc-mma-gif-5946600

[hasty vale]

Also I guess the DTB that we should be running is the one without exsang?

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, I'm sure the catweaving druid isnt gonna care about the tank taking 15% less damage, and the fact that tanks taking less damage means he can do more dps

[signal pier]

this just proves you don't play the game

[twilit hollow]

either a troll or massively deluded @marble hemlock ignore him brother

[signal pier]

mf trolling hard

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-steve-harvey-kill-yes-kill-yes-love-family-feud-gif-25412486

[full coral]

LMAO

[marble hemlock]

I agree that no tank is ever going to play around it, in the sense that theyre not gonna go into a pull without mitigation because they know the rogue provides some. But it's simply less actively healing/selfhealing needed, which typically translates into more group DPS. Same as stacking up mobs faster cuz they immediately start running to the tank instead of standing still for half a second before they get interrupted

[signal pier]

sanguine depths, halls, that one night fae dung, all had over 15 mob pulls

[full coral]

academy is gna have some mongo pulls forsure

[signal pier]

truuuue

[balmy condor]

You aren’t the top dps in your key groups like he is sorry bud, opinion invalid

[dense cedar]

academy loot table so pissy

[full coral]

[cyan sandal]

for high keys 17+, do you guys go outlaw or still go sin?

[dense cedar]

shitass dungeon

cool ring tho

[signal pier]

ah shit, nvm then

[trim zinc]

And sin will be mdi meta

[balmy condor]

Difference probably won’t matter until the mid 20’s at the lowest

[full coral]

the kickball trinket isn’t good but it’s so funny to use man

[dense cedar]

I'm still waiting for S2 to give as Maw of Souls

[balmy condor]

So true, MDI meta Assassination with no iron wire

[dense cedar]

tbh I could legit see them never bringing it back tho

[cyan sandal]

Ahh I see, I'm just asking because I want to practice a single spec well so I was thinking outlaw or sin

[full coral]

i’m begging for ssn2 freehold

i miss her sm….

[dense cedar]

no thanks

bfa too recent

[signal pier]

Man sin is so fun, watching my dots tick on less than 30% hp targets, it's like I have been reborn

[marble hemlock]

its funny how even in bfa and sl, i played with people who after hearing about the neat little bonuses that assa brought to the table, went "oh thats actually pretty good, didnt know that"

[dense cedar]

leaf me alone bfa

[balmy condor]

Should call her

[full coral]

i’ve left so many voicemails bro….

[balmy condor]

Damn.

[dense cedar]

should be sending mousemails

[full coral]

[marble hemlock]

but yeah anyway, i should probably not argue with people who use their own butt as the main source for their arguments

[signal pier]

he is trained to waste our time

[marble hemlock]

The only request I have, is to not spread actual misinformation. You can be wrong on your opinions, but when it comes to talking facts like what spec does more dmg etc., we have actual numbers for that, and spreading misinformation is not smth we wanna see

[dense cedar]

THistle Tea should also give avoidance imo

i think that'd be funny

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[marble hemlock]

thistle tea should give a better talent

[trim zinc]

Its not like u always played sin and knows it right

[dense cedar]

Thistle Tea should be Prep

I just want Prep

[balmy condor]

Cold blood

[verbal tusk]

maybe a controversial take, but attaching any arrogance, self importance, or bravado to how you perform in a video game made up of cartoon space monsters, that in effect causes you to treat other people in a negative way seems silly.

[full coral]

prep would feel really nice

[signal pier]

exsang on 3 minute cd feels like shit 😔 dont change my mind

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[signal pier]

he is typing a long paragraph I sense

[marble hemlock]

might be silly but its also fun. at the end of the day, theres many people who think cuz they did a +28 once they know everything there is to know about m+, and that their "success" allows them to have shit takes. it doesnt. and +28 wasnt a highkey in s4 anyway.

[signal pier]

I did a +28 once and I know everything

[nocturne current]

It's not "butt". It's mitigation overkill for the majority of times and people actively believe it makes a world of difference when it's a meh impact. Nobody in my group ever complained about not having Iron Wire, I ran it maybe in two dungeons and that's just because we needed to prevent mass-healing from 3 packs. No tank ever cried for wire and meta didn't even ran wire so it isn't a "must" at all.

[marble hemlock]

well actually, 28 was pretty decent

[full coral]

[dense cedar]

no this is actually healthy and good, show me your pvp score

[full coral]

not again

notlikethis

[verbal tusk]

It’s fun to abuse others because of their ability or lack thereof to control their cartoon space monster character?

[marble hemlock]

What are you actually basing that on? Beta m+? Or your recent m0 dungeons or?

[balmy condor]

I did a 30 one time ||we weren’t even close to timing it and then mass wiped to last boss and gave up||

[signal pier]

what is your experience, resume, what is "my group" how far did you delve in to the m+ rabbithole?

[dense cedar]

a lot of tanks trade their damage resource for mit

iron wire is damage

[raven egret]

'nobody asked for it' therefore 'we don't need it', yep, automatically means bringing something super useful is void and nul

[marble hemlock]

the real question is: how can you judge its efficacy and usefulness, if you never ran it more than twice to begin with?

[full coral]

yo did u guys hear whispyr did a 30 once?

fkin GAMER

[marble hemlock]

i did a 30 before he even started playing wow, L

[signal pier]

holy shit whispyr can you sign my rank 2 writhebark?

[full coral]

oh

well nvm rip bozo

[balmy condor]

I did a key with automaticjak one time

[oak sky]

(junkyard)

[balmy condor]

I’m kind of a big deal you could say

[brazen zodiac]

very big deal

[full coral]

i got declined to a key by dorki once buddy watch urself

i know ppl…

[marble hemlock]

i played assa in bfa and didnt have BTE. but the keys i played, we never "needed" it. doesnt mean it wasnt an incredibly useful stun to have back then.

[balmy condor]

Holy I’m so sorry sir

I didn’t know

[full coral]

now remove iron wire from ur talents and get out of my sight

[balmy condor]

Of course

Changing FAQ right now

[signal pier]

at this point I am 100% sure someone hooked up ChatGPT to discord and told it to act like an M+ player with experience

[analog oasis]

Is there a link to your plater profile?

[oak sky]

well he keeps coming back saying different controversial things every day so

[nocturne current]

Yes, 15% damage reduction on pull, controversial.

Game breaking even.

[marble hemlock]

thats an ironbark

[balmy condor]

One second

[nocturne current]

I bet your tank opens with Ironbark

[marble hemlock]

ironbark not useful?

[oak sky]

lets see w

what else could we possibly use iron wire for

[signal pier]

can you tell us your experience and stop sliding that question? this could mean a lot regarding everything you said.

[oak sky]

idk

[marble hemlock]

ofc he doesnt, because he can guarantee 100% efficiency of its uptime. iron wire can.

[balmy condor]

@analog oasis https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[oak sky]

3 interrupts on demand

[raven egret]

Havnt you heard, new meta, all defensives are not useful

[rich lark]

Ironbark isn't the guardian ability sir. It is called barkskin.

[oak sky]

3 DRs on demand

[marble hemlock]

obviously

[oak sky]

but interrupts dont matter they dont save pulls

[marble hemlock]

the iron wire DR isnt gonna be the difference between a tank living or dying

but its the difference between a pull being fucking sketchy or relaxed

[trim zinc]

I only did a 23 so my opinion doesn't matter I'm sorry
I'm out of here
I like iron wire so it's bad

[marble hemlock]

and i can tell you, from my personal experience, that a group that actually knows the assa toolkit, you can set up entire pulls around the the existence of garrote silences

[balmy condor]

What if we talent out of iron wire and take 1/2 vicious venom instead

[marble hemlock]

we did it in halls of valor, we did it in arcway, we did it in atal and underrot. its a good thing to have.

[full coral]

it’s def smthn that takes actually using party chat tho so ur average wow player is not going to take advantage

[marble hemlock]

the problem is that assa rogue is so rare, people barely know what it does

[trim zinc]

Venom rush
More energy in ST op

[marble hemlock]

half the people didnt know assarogue had a slow in legion

[full coral]

party chat is strictly for hate speech and asking for sum

[oak sky]

huge value for dungeons, which are very focused on taking shitty st talents

[signal pier]

ataldazar 😭 i miss that dung

[full coral]

!

[subtle tundra]

it improves the chance of timing the key more than 100 dps overall will

[marble hemlock]

took me 5 runs with jay before he remembered that he doesnt have to tell sjele to put on his slow ring

[full coral]

(i know i’m making a joke)

[marble hemlock]

and he used to main rogue and didnt know

[signal pier]

sjele 😭 i miss him

[balmy condor]

Good morning varas i hope you slept well

[marble hemlock]

but once people KNOW what assa does, you can play around it

[dense cedar]

with all these nerfs i guess assa was the best spec in the game

[lethal heart]

AHA

[subtle tundra]

actually feel rested now time to abuse weekly quests on professions on my alt so i can do jewelcrafting better

[lethal heart]

i knew it

[signal pier]

@subtle tundra can u tell hyperf0x that ironwire is good, pls pls

[balmy condor]

Still is gameplay wise

[marble hemlock]

we planned and executed entire MDI pulls because i could reliably provide more interrupts than any other class that wasnt a solar beam. thats a good tool to have. not always. not half the time. but it can be a difference maker

[subtle tundra]

i will no longer have strong opinions

[oak sky]

if he doesnt trust a theorycrafter why would he trust a key pusher on anything

[subtle tundra]

if you want to not play iron wire, go ahead! the world is for you to conquer

[nocturne current]

I didn't say Iron Wire is decent. I said most of the times, isn't needed and overkill.

[gusty mirage]

you know what would make all of yall feel better?

[marble hemlock]

cock?

[gusty mirage]

farming dirt or hunts

get at it boys

[oak sky]

agreonchizus having more ilvl

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JtKXb/a7d8785c8e.jpg

[raven egret]

Overkill in a low key, maybe

[dark token]

is there a simc string to sim all embellishments

[signal pier]

you still haven't told us your experience

[marble hemlock]

what do you think im doing during this stupid conversation?

[gusty mirage]

fun fact

you're still not done

[dark token]

there is no way approx time is correct

[gusty mirage]

you have to find out what's in the paragon box for me

[dark token]

im 2x ur hunts

fuck

[full coral]

holy

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JtKXi/4d66dc510d.jpg

i know oxi

[dense cedar]

:), but also :(

[marble hemlock]

idk if i wanna try to find out

[signal pier]

why the the fuck are you all spamming hunts?

[dark token]

how tf

dirt before nerf?

[marble hemlock]

no

i did it after nerf

[hoary remnant]

Can u share the wa pls?

[signal pier]

whats the reward for farming whatever you are doing?

[dark token]

epeen

[signal pier]

i see

i have been farming herbs

[marble hemlock]

405 lariat on release week

[dark token]

not doing a weapon?

[marble hemlock]

already got my weapon

[subtle tundra]

please promise me someone will ask if im alright if i ever grind rep

[gusty mirage]

this is his second infusion

[dark token]

ah right

each rep gives one

[gusty mirage]

we already know you're not

[signal pier]

farming items just to get them a day after m+ release

[gusty mirage]

I can get an embellished dagger from m+?

[dark token]

what else you gonna do atm

[thin gate]

@gusty mirage what ilvl are u?

[lethal heart]

idk if hunt farming is any good anyway

you will need lots of primal chaos anyway

[dark token]

faster than other rep

[signal pier]

idk can you? what is embelished dagger

[lethal heart]

yes you can get rep

but you need fuckton of primal chaos too

for crafts

[dark token]

im running low ye i think

[gusty mirage]

imagine needing primal chaos

[full coral]

crafted

[dark token]

a dagger costs 100 no?

[lethal heart]

even 140 isnt enough

for 2 crafts

so

[gusty mirage]

I already crafted my dagger

[lethal heart]

[gusty mirage]

so

[signal pier]

and that can only be acquired from rep?

[gusty mirage]

[thin gate]

but who of u got valdrakken helmbet 🙂

[lethal heart]

then you're dirt enjoyer

[subtle tundra]

i should farm more gear though if i want to do 20 first day

[gusty mirage]

buddy, I'm almost as dirty as varas

STINKY STINKY STINKY

[brazen zodiac]

hunt and cobalt are pretty easy farms

[gusty mirage]

[lethal heart]

and most people dont farm dirt

[marble hemlock]

idk if ill do everything in one sitting today

idk

[brazen zodiac]

cobalt should take 4-5 hours, hunt probably 10+

[marble hemlock]

gonna go bedge in an hour or two i think

[gusty mirage]

don't do it in one go

its not worth

[marble hemlock]

and then just afk leech later today

yeah im down to like

[thin gate]

i got dragonscale 18 by doing obsidian keys and quest line

[marble hemlock]

38 hunts if i turn in

same

[gusty mirage]

WQs reset too

[marble hemlock]

and then i felt like

[gusty mirage]

big rep

[balmy condor]

….it’s 10am seli

[marble hemlock]

might aswell finish it

i mean i didnt do shit for maruuk

[signal pier]

so they somehow made rep worse

[dark token]

i have a thing to jiggle my mouse i use to stay active at work

[marble hemlock]

i was 11renown marruk yday

[dark token]

park on a guildy

[dark token]

let them carry u all night

[gusty mirage]

two big quests

[nocturne current]

Farming the keys is torture

[gusty mirage]

farming keys was the easiest money I ever made

wdym

[dark token]

tuskar rep seems the best to farm tbh

[lethal heart]

JUST be like that guy that is 25 renown in all zones

[marble hemlock]

we get these this evening

[brazen zodiac]

for real wtf

[dark token]

insane money from fishing

[thin gate]

+1 @gusty mirage

[brazen zodiac]

those rings sell like candy

[nocturne current]

The money is great, but holy shit, I can only get so much of seeing red and orange.

[marble hemlock]

ill need a frame of reference for "Insane money"

[cursive igloo]

80 for first tier for us

[gusty mirage]

oh my b back to farming dirt

I'm 381 rn

[thin gate]

nice

i got maruk left to hit 385

[brazen zodiac]

i made like 80k in 2-3 hours