#assassination

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balmy condor
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Uh huh

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That’s like the German system

slim hamlet
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There is like 4 different grades of university

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Yeah it's Denmark

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Probably not much difference

balmy condor
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Yeah okay close enough

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Denmark just germans with missing chromosomes

slim hamlet
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Sounds about right

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Imagien this

balmy condor
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I say as a proud descendant of a 700 year german lineage

trim zinc
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Heheh

slim hamlet
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in 7th to 9th grade we have to learn german OMEGAKEKW

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I think it's actually 5th to 9th now

balmy condor
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I raid with that idiot

slim hamlet
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And 1st classers are being taught english already

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legit like 7 years old or something

gray crest
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Brazil is "florida the country"

trim zinc
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Lol idk how he's but prob the same;-;

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Lmao

slim hamlet
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I only know states

gray crest
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Brazil?

slim hamlet
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what?

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What are you brazil questionmarking me for punk

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❤️

gray crest
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Im trying to figure out if you are asking me what Brazil is or Florida is

slim hamlet
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I was trying to make an amarican joke, but I don't have KKona emote unlocked

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So it didn't go that well

gray crest
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oh gotcha lol

jaunty lotus
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Do we go envenon -> shiv on the DTB build opener? Wouldn't shiv -> envenon be better?

bleak sky
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quiet bench

jaunty lotus
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Oh, yeah that opener doesn't work with this build at all, it doesn't run shrouded suffocation

balmy condor
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Yeah working on getting the new openers up

hallow sage
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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The graphics guy has been busy

slim hamlet
hallow sage
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fight me

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i could be on heroin right now you dont know

slim hamlet
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:monkaS

hallow sage
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stop reminding me of my shame

slim hamlet
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:2ez

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Oh shit

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There we go

hallow sage
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😡

slim hamlet
trim zinc
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is this now?

slim hamlet
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Surely sin is still better than outlaw in st

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Yes 2 mins ago

jaunty lotus
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Wait

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What?

slim hamlet
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Wait they really buffed outlaw without nerfing blade flurry

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Rough

smoky phoenix
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tf

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Is it time to swap to outlaw then?

brave gazelle
slim hamlet
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WIth absolutely nothing to back it up, i'm guessing we're still on top of st but harder cucked than already for m+

next edge
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Time to hope into outlaw

smoky phoenix
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I tried to play outlaw, but idk, i didn't vibe with it as much as i do assassin, but i also dont wanna learn outlaw exclusively for m+

slim hamlet
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Waitt lol

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They nerfed pistol shot thought it was buff

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Well then

sand sigil
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ROGUE NERFED FFS

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TOO MANY FROGS

slim hamlet
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frogs?

dim sphinx
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yes frogs

slim hamlet
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are you high

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or am i

rich lark
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How is WW just skating through without catching a stray?

trim zinc
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LMAO

slim hamlet
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I mean seems quite minor

muted ridge
slim hamlet
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compared to our latest nerf at least

vague creek
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Hello, do you spend CP always at 6 or it can be at 5 to avoid wasting CPs?

fair storm
vague creek
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as assa

muted ridge
vague creek
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thanks

slim hamlet
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Thought both of them were buffs

azure bronze
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Doesn't this mean that Kingsbane build will be on par with DtB?

fair storm
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Lol

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Thatd be great

slim hamlet
muted ridge
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Whispyr cooking

slim hamlet
azure bronze
slim hamlet
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
azure bronze
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ah nvm

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I am blind kekl

smoky phoenix
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tf

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How do i get this?

slim hamlet
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spark of thingy

smoky phoenix
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Can you get a 405 with 1 spark? or do you need to craft it and then have it redone?

somber fractal
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thats from getting renown 25 with one of the factions

slim hamlet
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The 405 is because the person grinded a renown to max

grave cobalt
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Primal infusion

smoky phoenix
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oh b ecuase of the heroic thing you get?

muted ridge
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If you maxed out renown you get 405 thingie

smoky phoenix
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Rioght right

grave gazelle
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Poison bomb pls Sadge

slim hamlet
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To get an item you usually would only be able to get next week

smoky phoenix
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what's max without reknown thing? 382?

slim hamlet
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I believe so

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I lied

smoky phoenix
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i wish i started earlier i would have nolifed durt to get a 405

burnt star
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Too bad ferocity sucks lol

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Wasted embollishment

smoky phoenix
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now durt doesn't exist

slim hamlet
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Just recraft

slim hamlet
burnt star
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Theres a bug with recrafting embelisshment

slim hamlet
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Wouldnt call that suck

burnt star
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Did u play beta

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It did almost.nothing

slim hamlet
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Just like the ER buug

slim hamlet
lunar lantern
balmy condor
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Upcoming Nerfs
Leeching Poison 5% (was 10%)
Poison Bomb proc chance 4%/8% (was 5%/10%)

Sims and Impact
First pass of Spreadsheet updated.

Impact is about -1.5% across the board for any build using PB

Opinion
The leeching change is whatever who cares. Slightly less healing I guess oh no. Sucks but isn't going to do anything, and the other rogue specs are equally impacted. Honestly the poison bomb nerf is pretty valid for how strong the points are. The issue though is that this comes with no AoE compensation, and a lot of DTB's AoE in mythic+ ended up being poison bomb. It feels a little like we're skating back into the "assassination m+ is worse, and the single target is about equal" that we had for a lot of shadowlands, which is a little disappointing honestly. Poison bomb might have been an outlier, but it was one of the outliers that had actual impact. While numerically it might not be the most doomed thing in the world, it's definitely a bit curious. I think for m+ we're still hoping for a buff to scent of blood. IC + KB is the best bet we have in m+ and the single target damage with that build is frankly unimpressive. Getting some change to either get the single target up and making scent a competitive pick in all content, or at least as a compensation in AoE seems warranted at this point going into the tier.

TLDR
Not the worst thing in the world, PB was an outlier talent and this brings it a little more in-line, but there's not really anything else to take so it's just a strict nerf which feels a little unwarranted given the state of our overall balance to the other rogue specs.

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balmy condor
tacit otter
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ty mister whispyr ❤️

slim hamlet
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I just don't wanna play another spec to do m+ efficiently and I'm good

balmy condor
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it doesn't impact KB+IC at all

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but KB+IC was sorta on the ropes for a lot of people to begin with

sonic spire
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44

balmy condor
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so idk

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it's a weird one

slim hamlet
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No but as you mentioned st is unimpressive

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And feels like prio will be kinda crisp in a couple of the dungeons at least

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Warlock was nerfed with no compensation buff

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rise up

next arch
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wasnt lock kinda bonkers?

slim hamlet
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demo in m+

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Other than that no idea

gusty lance
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Just saw the nerf, I'm a bomb enjoyer it's pain kermdone

slim hamlet
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Also what is this

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lol

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Seems like a change just to do a change

gusty lance
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Read the notes below Kappa

slim hamlet
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no

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Reading is not my thing

balmy condor
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
smoky phoenix
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hhow do i make my rare scanner play noises in the background?

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like, while alt tabbed/in a diff program

azure bronze
smoky phoenix
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kk tyvm

slim hamlet
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My favourite part of tuning posts

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oh yes

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cedar silo
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Lmao another sin nerf

strange python
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Honestly pretty frustrating to have sin pushed down again. With how the fights looked this tier it was probably a sub/outlaw look anyways

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But still frustrating that sin is never allowed to even be a remote outlier while warlock is allowed to be hero class for 15 years

slim hamlet
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Yeah it is a bit sad, but pure st is what was looked at I guess

cedar silo
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I think sin will still be ahead I just don’t think it will be by a mile now

slim hamlet
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Which we were like 6k ahead

cedar silo
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Yea exactly

strange python
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Nerfing the pure st class for being ahead in pure st while warlocks are allowed to dominant ST and AoE and utility is kinda bullshit

slim hamlet
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Just not many ST bosses

cedar silo
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Our single target is kindve unheard of

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The fact my sims 10k above a fury warrior who’s 3 ilvl a above me shows how ahead we are as a class

slim hamlet
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!fuu

strange python
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I'm not convinced our ST was as far ahead, and that it wasn't just our TCs being ahead of the game on APL optimizations compared to other classes.

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
cedar silo
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Idk I raid top 100 I don’t see a single class with a sim even remotely close to my sin rogues like not even close

strange python
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But even if we were ahead, people are still allowed to be frustrated that rogues always seem to get swift nerfs when moderately ahead, but warlocks don't.

nocturne current
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I'm yet to be beaten in KB+IC build in M+ in damage

balmy condor
slim hamlet
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Warlocks did get nerfed with no compensation for once

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that's a win!

balmy condor
nocturne current
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Even outlaw rogue is way behind

balmy condor
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idk what to tell you

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play with better players

dim sphinx
nocturne current
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The pulls are much too large for Outlaw to shine.

slim hamlet
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One of our guilds alts outlaw is sucking me off in m0

umbral rapids
strange python
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Yeah, I think outlaw should be behind on single target Sims.

nocturne current
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The cap is severely hidering

cedar silo
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Outlaw and sub have way better m+ dmg than sin I’ve tried all 3 and it’s not even close

balmy condor
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it really isn't but okay

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outlaw is 8 target

slim hamlet
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Isnt outlaw 8 target

balmy condor
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sin is pretty much 8 target

slim hamlet
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yeah

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That aint bad

slim hamlet
balmy condor
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if you're beating everyone in dungeons with sin, you're playing with shitters or afk people or you haven't done enough dungeons

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idk what to tell you

strange python
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Any outlaw who lost to you in m0s where bleeds don't even get a chance to tick before targets die is just bad

outer arrow
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TLDR: Sucks

slim hamlet
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Imagine boys

cedar silo
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Here’s the issue if you start multi pulling with decent dps sin goes way down since we can’t stealth garrote or do dmg with dots

slim hamlet
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Imagine a time where we would shit on outlaws in m+

cedar silo
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If you’re carrying others sin looks godly

slim hamlet
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God their faces

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Yes please

balmy condor
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not this shit again

nocturne current
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What bleed ticks lol. The Fans+Crimson spam is beating outlaw rotation lol

outer arrow
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idc if sin m+ is shit as long as we are big pp dmg ST

slim hamlet
strange python
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Idgaf if outlaw wins in m+, the spec looks basically to have been purpose built for the type of content that m+ is.

slim hamlet
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Just play with a better tank

grim tangle
slim hamlet
strange python
outer arrow
digital sigil
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maybe those outlaw players don't have hands

balmy condor
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fan + crimson spam beating outlaw rotation

cedar silo
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I’m just saying if you’re running with like a ww and an outlaw or DH you won’t do good dmg in m+

balmy condor
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is some of the most omega cope shit

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I have ever read

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in my life

austere steppe
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^

cedar silo
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^

nocturne current
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Yeah but it's reality.

austere steppe
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i've tried out all 3 today and sin felt the worst

balmy condor
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no it's not mate

cedar silo
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It’s not reality lmao

nocturne current
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It is, lol.

strange python
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It's not, your dungeon group is bad

austere steppe
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170k burst with sub, try beating that.

cedar silo
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You’re not playing with good players

balmy condor
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you are literally the only person saying it

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there's like 10 people here telling you that you're a clown

slim hamlet
# outer arrow ik, sucks

We will prob still be biggest ST, but not by nearly enough to compensate for our limp d in aoe situation

strange python
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If I beat an outlaw in DPS as a resto druid it's not because resto cranks.

balmy condor
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and every sim telling you you're a clown

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the only evidence you have is "I beat some people"

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that's

nocturne current
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I was also the only person saying I could open with 4 shrouds and I was right.

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Lmao

outer arrow
balmy condor
slim hamlet
balmy condor
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yeah

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stumbles into a bug

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= can beat everything

simple hornet
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hey Siri, play Toxic by Britney Spears

strange python
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P sure sin now falls behind enhance ST

slim hamlet
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I'm guessing we're not highest ST overall anymore

balmy condor
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see you in the MDI mr fox

cedar silo
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Subs aoe and outlaws are far in a way superior in m+ than sin

light goblet
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does the primal molten shortblade always have the on hit effect?

nocturne current
slim hamlet
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Changing my name to blue brb

strange python
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"in my +4 keys I was top damage, can I go pro soon whispyr?"

next edge
outer arrow
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inb4 he does KEKWait

next edge
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same amount of sin

brazen oasis
slim hamlet
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huhh

cedar silo
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If you don’t see it it’s because you haven’t actually tried the spec for yourself because there’s no way it’s not even close

slim hamlet
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isn'tt it only BP

cedar silo
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And technique

outer arrow
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is havoc still dummy op in m+

next edge
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CB fixed

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so ER is the way now

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1,8% nerf ST

slim hamlet
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Wait did you actually choose that talent?

abstract junco
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Anyone have a line on why something like PB can’t just simply do more damage the more targets it hits? This nerf seems lazy.

next edge
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Yeah

fleet echo
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Who actually played CB outside of PVP

next edge
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Every single sub rogue

drifting cloud
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literally everyone

final star
fleet echo
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Nah

next edge
strange python
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Yes.

trim zinc
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yes?

slim hamlet
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Well great, there is no way I'm picking that, unless it's just an "add to macro yep" thing

strange python
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Yellow name talking confidently incorrectly.

balmy condor
strange python
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Where have I seen this before

slim hamlet
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"nah" Gigachad

balmy condor
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or

fair storm
final star
balmy condor
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maybe just don't fucking message me at all

next edge
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"nah" Gigawrong

strange python
balmy condor
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I mean

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he knows everything better

cedar silo
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If sin beats outlaw in MDI I will re roll healer and leave my guild

balmy condor
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he doesn't need to talk to me for anything

drifting cloud
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guy had shit takes 1month ago why would they change now

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atleast hes consistent

cedar silo
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I’ll also sell my wow account for 3 bucks

balmy condor
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he's so giga chad he's ascended past the mortal tuning of the game

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he's in the main frame

smoky quail
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noooooooo ASS IS DEAD

slim hamlet
cursive igloo
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nah there's always good ass

next edge
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Facts

slim hamlet
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🤓

trim zinc
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based

next edge
cedar silo
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Lmao

smoky quail
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time to reroll combat

umbral rapids
fair storm
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If u call assassin dead then let me remind you of shadowlands 9.0 lol

outer arrow
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anyone got law/havoc sims for m+?

slim hamlet
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I'm going dom

outer arrow
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prob not the place to ask for that, nvm

cursive igloo
nocturne current
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Even if Assa beats Outlaw in M+ and is becomes meta in MDI you're arrogance just going to throw some bullshit excuse why tho.

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So y, why bother.

tacit otter
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please just leave it yikes

strange python
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Still no word on fixing recrafting?

trim zinc
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lmoa

balmy condor
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I'm the arrogant one

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for sure

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good take

slim hamlet
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Yeah u kinda suck Whispyr

strange python
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Dude arguing about meta based on m0s

slim hamlet
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Be better

smoky quail
trim zinc
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whispyr doesnt know anything about sin, get out of here pls

fair storm
slim hamlet
smoky quail
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tbh, i was just too lazy to find sin and clicked whatever

slim hamlet
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boring

balmy condor
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"I'm smashing every spec and class in the game in dungeons, undefeated champion of the world"
"you definitely shouldn't be, there's many classes stronger based on every data we have"
"trust me bro"
"I mean, I don't"
"you're just arrogant and going to throw an excuse"

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HUGE LOGIC

cedar silo
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Play with a DH or monk and lets see how much dmg your dots do to the trash mobs

grim tangle
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the outlaw I did all my M0s with made me feel so bad about my damage I switched to sub so I could compete

slim hamlet
cursive igloo
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Source: "trust me bro"

slim hamlet
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Which means that sin is 2x as good as outlaw

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in m+

humble ginkgo
cursive igloo
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lol

cedar silo
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LMFAOOO

slim hamlet
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From my analysis

strange python
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The lack of communication about embellishments is downright infuriating

nocturne current
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Here's a better source: "Human programmed simulation that in nowhere comes to reality of the actual ingame action"

smoky quail
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we just have the bigger ass

grim tangle
final star
balmy condor
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excellent insight as always

strange python
oak sky
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can we get a smooth brain emote

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no reason

trim zinc
slim hamlet
fair storm
oak sky
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nah like 🧠 but with no wrinkles

brisk lily
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chicken breast emoji

slim hamlet
brisk lily
balmy condor
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dude finds a bug one time and gained the power to destroy windwalkers

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I wish I knew how to learn that skill

oak sky
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i actually beat all the meta specs in my m0s (i was playing my monk)

strange python
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Man I just want to have blizzard confirm embellishment tuning and fixes 😦

royal lantern
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@balmy condor saw the news, how DOOOOOMMED are now kekw

tired crag
drifting cloud
trim zinc
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doomedsin
why everyone hate us?? LMAO

oak sky
slim hamlet
royal lantern
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when am i NOT baiting

tacit otter
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quick "real" question: i have no clue about other classes rn. but in m+ which are the 3 top melees? 1. DH 2. WW 3. Outlul (?)

trim zinc
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arent us all baiting poeple?

balmy condor
royal lantern
nocturne current
brisk lily
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@royal lantern

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drifting cloud
balmy condor
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have to wait till actual m+ comes out

slim hamlet
brisk lily
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outlaw just got buffed now

balmy condor
brisk lily
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does that mean outlaw is gonna be #2

tacit otter
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thank you 🙂

strange python
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Outlaw didn't really get buffed

slim hamlet
royal lantern
slim hamlet
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Not buff

brisk lily
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yea rly small amount

strange python
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But outlaw was always looking pretty good for this raid

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No lol

split eagle
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anyone have a good weakaura for assassination?

balmy condor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
brisk lily
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0.2% technically lmaoo

strange python
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This raid has a lot of cleave

royal lantern
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
brisk lily
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0.2% buff on the HO build

slim hamlet
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Imagine that outlaw got buffed btw

brisk lily
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so they lookin kinda schmeaty

slim hamlet
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No matter how small it is

split eagle
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ty

slim hamlet
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that being AOE

brisk lily
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nah im p sure thats st

somber fractal
strange python
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Outlaw was always looking like it would way outperform based on the fights in this raid tbh. It's kind of annoying.

brisk lily
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idk how it changed the aoe numbers tbh

signal pivot
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
brisk lily
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i mean yes but no

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maybe?

slim hamlet
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I meeaaaan

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it is

strange python
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As much as I hate outlaw I will most likely be playing it for prog

brisk lily
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im a small brain meta slave i just regurgitate the numbers bro

slim hamlet
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It was already way ahead in dungeon slice

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that being pure dmg

trim zinc
jaunty lotus
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The 0.2% for HO is on a ST sim, it does increase AoE beyond 0.2% likely

strange python
# trim zinc Sin prog hyep

Maybe ... There's not a lot of ST fights this tier. And not a lot of fights with only minor add uptime

slim hamlet
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I'm playing sin in raid still

jaunty lotus
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But that is with optimized items and tier, on my own character the change is neutral

royal lantern
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remember nyalotha? a raid full eith aoe/cleave fights

slim hamlet
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But m+ seems more and more rough by the week

strange python
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Nya was not a huge add raid

royal lantern
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and how good was outlaw there? kekw

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oh w8, aoe didnt matter cus a fire mage pressed combust

slim hamlet
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Wait I don't remember nyalotha being aoe

strange python
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And outlaw was the best of the three specs until 9.0.5. Tryan coming in with room temp takes?

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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Oh shit

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I just responded to Tryan message

drifting cloud
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I mean your takes are sometimes equally bad stab

slim hamlet
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Fuck me

drifting cloud
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dont you raid in a hof guild

strange python
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What takes

royal lantern
drifting cloud
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outlaws gonna see like 2 fights in the raid not majority

oblique jackal
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The tuning changes are interesting

drifting cloud
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where it would be the best rogue spec by a decent margin

slim hamlet
drifting cloud
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the rest is literally a wash because all 3 specs are way above average

strange python
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Council, broodkeeper, sennartha are clear and obvious outlaw fights

royal lantern
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ryler agrees with me, i won

strange python
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Razs looks like it might be based on dung journal

royal lantern
strange python
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Eranog I guess TBD how long the adds live

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2 target sin is competitive though

oblique jackal
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A lot of the fights can work for IC if you play it right

slim hamlet
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No one cares about eranog

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He dont count

strange python
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Erre

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Not eranog

fair storm
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Eranog ResidentSleeper

strange python
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The rucking evil tauren boss

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Wtf is his name

slim hamlet
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totemg guy

strange python
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Yeah

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That one

slim hamlet
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Yeah don't remember name either

forest acorn
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sennarth just for big spider? doesnt look like small spiders live long

fair storm
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Eranog backwards is close to gonnorhea just saying

slim hamlet
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The only fight I will prob switch for is council

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Just because 4 target sin for a long time sounds nasty

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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Outlaw = brain turnoff FOR ONLY THAT FIGHT DONT ATTACK ME OUTLAW GAMERS

trim zinc
strange python
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Also wait what the fuck how did we ler tryan tell everyone Nathria wasn't an outlaw tier

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Sin and sub were the two worst specs in the entire game in Nathria

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Sin got aura buffs like 50 times

fair storm
grim tangle
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he said nyalotha? not nathria?

slim hamlet
strange python
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Did he?

slim hamlet
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Wait IC*

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Yeah nyalotha

royal lantern
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assa was dogshit in cn, why do you bring up cn when i talked About nyalotha lol

rain oyster
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
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Now you're gaslighting

trim zinc
#

I think u don't need ic
Sbs CT good

#

Lmao

next edge
#

@royal lantern have a nice day

trim zinc
#

Like the prototype pantheon

royal lantern
trim zinc
#

Was fun to play sin there

royal lantern
#

its 4am, should sleep

oblique jackal
#

i think Sin will still be better tbh

strange python
#

You're still not right though

slim hamlet
strange python
trim zinc
#

Like ya prob it's better
But if dont like it

oblique jackal
#

bc of execute phases

next edge
trim zinc
#

I mean don't use it

next edge
#

cant sleep after 5h of flight

strange python
#

But I could be underestimating it

#

Needing 2 minutes for IC to get shrouded hurts

next edge
#

Council will be an out/sub fight most likely

#

sub is rly good on 4 t too

slim hamlet
#

Yeah ofc its not as good

#

But just the best sin build

#

or were at least

strange python
#

Is it?? I haven't fucked with sub much yet but it might be sleeper OP this tier

slim hamlet
#

Sub seems like the middle in both st and aoe

strange python
#

For the last xpac sub has only shined in ST or massive AoE

#

Surprised it would do well on 4t

next edge
#

its like 238k

#

or some crazy shit like that

strange python
#

Hmm

#

Black powder spam?

slim hamlet
next edge
#

Rupture

#

hits like a fkng truck

slim hamlet
strange python
#

Hmmm

slim hamlet
#

and we dont look at sin

grim tangle
#

well they just nerfed black powder

strange python
#

I really fucking hate dance macabre

slim hamlet
#

Dance is passive talent

strange python
#

But the more I think about it, the more I think sub is the safe play

slim hamlet
#

brain turn off

strange python
#

Dance is only a passive talent if you're not minmaxing. It will not be passive to optimize it

slim hamlet
#

You sure

strange python
#

The question is, do you optimize it to 4/5 stacks, or 2/3

oblique jackal
#

so are we gonna be swapping between all specs ??

slim hamlet
#

I asked in sub a couple days ago, if you had to think about it or not

royal lantern
#

macabre is an braindead talent lol, there is a set rotation you do for it

slim hamlet
#

And it sounded like a passive tthing

strange python
#

Yes. Even with my limited experience on sub so far you gloomblade and SecTec for DM charges lol. That's not passive

nocturne current
#

Sub is that spec nobody cares or remembers until you need to stack 5 or 6 of them.

cursive igloo
final star
strange python
#

Kieron

royal lantern
strange python
#

How did you bait skip so hard

royal lantern
#

assa 1trick all the way

final star
#

He's like 9

slim hamlet
#

Playing sin besides maybe council

final star
#

The game is older than skip

strange python
#

I would be blown away if sin isn't hot dogshit on broodkeeper

#

That fight screams "don't play sin here"

royal lantern
slim hamlet
#

I legit don't know anything about the broodkeeper fight tbh

next edge
strange python
#

Waves of adds

slim hamlet
#

Lovely

strange python
#

Bursted down quick

slim hamlet
#

Going ww

#

the fact that they nerfed BMM along with the other tanks is insane to me

#

No one played it

autumn frost
#

I'm confused about the comments about poison bomb, I didn't realize we took it in mythic.

slim hamlet
#

only with dtb

#

pretty sure

royal lantern
nocturne current
royal lantern
#

dunno, blizz maybe doesnt like dtb beeing ahead cus its passive? peeposhrug

#

i mean, its a minor change overall

slim hamlet
#

Seems good

#

However

scarlet sable
#

Never played ass how many dots do we manage?

slim hamlet
#

Nerfed kb build with it too

#

So opinion invalid

royal lantern
scarlet sable
#

Oh that’s it

cursive igloo
#

yeah

#

its not that bad

slim hamlet
#

Yeah really easy spec

scarlet sable
#

yeah see I don’t want easy

royal lantern
#

its less pure dot managment, and more keeping track of other stufd

cursive igloo
#

2 bleeds and slice and dice but depending on spec you dont even manage that

next edge
slim hamlet
#

That's why I think CT should be used in ST too for 3 bleeds

#

Cuz as we all know

next edge
#

having 6 boomies every raid

scarlet sable
#

So rogue as a class is easy to play it seems

next edge
#

or 8 locks

slim hamlet
#

Just because it happens to hit multiple targets dont make it aoe ability

next edge
#

is fine

#

sub on cata borken coz u had 5

cursive igloo
scarlet sable
#

yeah but outlaw is

royal lantern
nocturne current
#

Why would you ever play sub.

scarlet sable
#

Giga brain dead

nocturne current
#

If not to burst.

scarlet sable
#

@royal lantern I think you’re right tbh

cursive igloo
#

theres no hard class in wow

royal lantern
#

im always right

scarlet sable
#

yeah I mean

royal lantern
#

except when im wrong

scarlet sable
#

I just want to be engaged in my class

#

And be competitive in raid keys and PvP

#

Rogue checks it but like

slim hamlet
#

I mean I would go as far to say (completely unbiased btw) that rogue is prob the hardest class

next edge
cursive igloo
#

demon hunter

next edge
#

spec is fun

slim hamlet
#

Good mage and monk too is really insanely hard

scarlet sable
#

We do be spamming ss

trim zinc
next edge
#

and because I want

#

?

cursive igloo
next edge
scarlet sable
scarlet sable
nocturne current
#

I don't support sub being OP at all.

slim hamlet
#

Aff lock is quite hard too

next edge
nocturne current
#

I support sub being OP until you raid leader decides you can only do the encounter with sub rogues or fire mages.

scarlet sable
#

9.0 Aff was my favorite thing ever

cursive igloo
#

aff is easier than its been riotheLul

royal lantern
slim hamlet
#

This is completely subjective, but I have tried all specs in end content, and the hardest times have been rogue, spriest, afflock and fire/arcane mage

cursive igloo
#

give me back sub/feral JOHN madden rotations

whole mason
next edge
#

well I could ever play fire mage

#

despite i really tried

slim hamlet
#

Unholy dk is also weird getting used to

next edge
#

UH is fairly simple too

#

at stat

scarlet sable
#

I’ve been playing DK

#

I like the triple resource

#

Nice CDs

next edge
#

you will just play properly what you enjoy

slim hamlet
scarlet sable
#

why do you think rogue is challenging

royal lantern
#

unholy is weird cus you have action every 20years in a Fight, and can go afk bettwen that with nothing of value lost kekdog

next edge
scarlet sable
#

I mained shadow in 9.0 was fun

next edge
#

CPs is a different way to play

#

thats it

cursive igloo
#

The only thing i hate about shadow now is i miss surrender to madness

slim hamlet
#

Hard to say, havn't really thought about it. The high APM is def a big part, enourmous amounts of buttons too

scarlet sable
#

shadow is just average dps rn

cursive igloo
#

yeah but alot of that doesnt matter

#

just stay away from playing a hunter

scarlet sable
#

what doesn’t

cursive igloo
#

whats average or best dps

slim hamlet
#

This is the first spec I've had to make a wa that shows up when cd is about to come off cd

cursive igloo
#

it doesnt mean anything in the long run besides epeen stroking and worlds first races

slim hamlet
#

Was mostly for exsang, so not too bad now

scarlet sable
#

I need epeen stroke

fleet anchor
scarlet sable
#

I suppose rogue can become challenging in keys to handle@all the mob control

strange python
cursive igloo
#

not really all 3 specs of aoe are pretty simple

strange python
#

Vendor was so far past prog

slim hamlet
#

Also energy + cp specs are automatically harder

storm zinc
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
scarlet sable
#

yeah rogue aoe is easy af

#

so why do y’all play it if it’s easy

slim hamlet
#

Sub rogue aoe 2ez

#

1-2-1-2-1-2

cursive igloo
#

i play it cause i like always being able to hit things instead of most classes where its 2 or 3 buttons an the occasional 1-3

fleet anchor
#

Assassination was the dominantly played spec in prog in Nyalotha though.

cursive igloo
nocturne current
cursive igloo
#

1-2-2-2-2

slim hamlet
#

That's a good one yeah

tired crag
#

shuriken tornado

#

time to spam one button

nocturne current
#

Good ol' Corrupted Lashing. lul

tired crag
cursive igloo
#

exactly

scarlet sable
#

Why’d they make everything so ezpz

tired crag
#

ngl it does feel good to press

slim hamlet
#

I remember trying out rogue in pve first time in sl season 1

cursive igloo
#

cause alot more casual people are playing now

slim hamlet
#

I thought sub was too hard in m+

scarlet sable
#

dead game

royal lantern
slim hamlet
#

I was a warlock main OMEGAKEKW

royal lantern
#

people just sucked alot in the old days lol

tired crag
#

i had to get used to the specific opener but it feels good tbh

royal lantern
#

like, the LEGENDARY WOTLK FERAL

#

Is a joke

scarlet sable
#

nah man I was clenching my butt playing Aff

cursive igloo
#

yeah if you go back to wraith classic now its a different atmosphere

royal lantern
#

its a simple priority list

cursive igloo
#

riotheLul and boomers still suck

scarlet sable
#

Shit was hard managin dots on 8 targets

tired crag
#

wrath classic rogue

#

XD

slim hamlet
#

The hardest spec imo is feral

tired crag
#

playing assassination in wrath is kinda bedge

#

but feels kinda satisfying

slim hamlet
#

Snapshotting omega sucks and the energy tiger thingy that resets on kill doesnt work for me in m+

cursive igloo
#

Feral is what i play in wraith atm cause JOHN MADDDEN

slim hamlet
#

cant do it

tired crag
#

feral looks fun

#

same in wrath

royal lantern
tired crag
#

my feral homies never seeing grim toll

nocturne current
scarlet sable
#

Feral rotation maybe cool

#

But cat form no moms

#

Mogs*

#

No moms either

#

Whack

cursive igloo
#

no mogs

#

im a fire cat

velvet ridge
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
cursive igloo
#

and ursoc bear

tired crag
#

i have nothing for feral

#

basic loser Sadge

nocturne current
#

You can pretend you're playing retail

slim hamlet
#

High effort meme

cursive igloo
#

lolol

tired crag
#

none of my feral homies got grim toll yet

#

down bad

velvet ridge
#

What's best lariat we can make? Crit mast with agi crit gem?

atomic temple
#

what was the point of assa nerf lol

slim hamlet
#

to nerf it

atomic temple
#

not like the class was even broken

nocturne current
#

They hit us with the plastic nerf hammer and call it a day.

cursive igloo
#

because sin isnt allowed to AOE

atomic temple
#

thats true the assa rotation now is braindead with exsang nerf

slim hamlet
nocturne current
#

Thank you hidden wow dev.

atomic temple
#

how much dps loss you guys think the nerf is?

royal lantern
#

34%

slim hamlet
#

its in pin

#

1.2% I believe it was

remote oak
#

So a 7% nerf from DF start to first week of raid

nocturne current
#

Just pretend that 7% didn't need to exist.

slim hamlet
#

Some being to aoe too

remote oak
#

It didn't really

#

Still sucks for AoE

slim hamlet
#

But the ST def needed nerf

trim zinc
#

Even more on the exsg

nocturne current
#

I mean a talent that does what, 6 or 7% in the middle of the table

icy cliff
#

So assa is dead even before raid starts

haughty nebula
#

That poison nerf is just annoying.

royal lantern
#

if not top3->spec dead

nocturne current
#

I'm more surprised is how they didn't touch Flying Daggers yet.

royal lantern
cursive igloo
slim hamlet
nocturne current
trim zinc
#

Lmao

slim hamlet
#

No

#

Just a factual statement

haughty nebula
#

The second nerf was unnecessary imo

slim hamlet
smoky quail
icy cliff
#

Just bring enha if u need ST concernedpopcorn

slim hamlet
#

But I believe they didn't wantt the power budget of the points being put in PB to be that high, just like with exsang

#

and just like whispyr said in his pin

nocturne current
#

Thats the chad class.

trim zinc
#

Being honest
I just like pb
I think it's cool and I like the sound effect

haughty nebula
#

.... then make the end of the tree carry more weight..

slim hamlet
haughty nebula
#

if they need to keep nerfing mid-tier

nocturne current
#

Enha is the only class I trust the dude knows how to press his keys all the time and I don't know why.

slim hamlet
#

just clic kthe button that lights up

tired crag
#

swoosh lava swoosh lightning

nocturne current
#

It's usually the hardcore Diablo/MtG player of the group.

#
  • free points if he's Orc.
tacit pebble
#

damn that poison bomb nerf was big, 100% dps loss pepeHands

image.png
slim hamlet
#

You have to be orc or tauren when playing enhance

dark token
#

Tf is this

#

Legitimately I do one pull as sin or sub and I need to heal and rest for 30s after

icy cliff
slim hamlet
dark token
#

Leaching poison needed a buff not a nerf

#

Our healing in open world content on non outlaw specs is dogshit

slim hamlet
tired crag
#

orc shamans goated

dark token
#

I legit pull one mob as sin or sub

#

And have to rest after

slim hamlet
#

Our defensive and sustainability in raid was insane

cursive igloo
tired crag
#

any maghar orc shaman enjoyers

haughty nebula
#

the two nerfs were unjustified tbh... I want logic with whoever thought up that garbage change

shell niche
dark token
#

DPS nerf/buffs are valid

haughty nebula
#

howso in this instance

slim hamlet
dark token
#

Sub especially needs more survivability

#

For open world content

slim hamlet
#

Played rsham for 2 tiers and I don't even know what they look like

dark token
#

You are a paper mache

tired crag
#

i see my totems every now and then

slim hamlet
#

Juust dont take dmg?

pure skiff
#

So what do we take now instead of PB

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

Who says we dont take pb

nocturne current
trim zinc
nocturne current
#

Leeching nerf was a plot to buff alchemists.

pure skiff
#

It’s a good question tbh don’t know why you laugh

icy cliff
#

Just make outlaw the best spec on every fight profile and m+

#

Good balance

gentle roost
#

kek

dark token
#

I legit have to enchant leach cloak now

#

So I can live in open world

#

And the engi thing

oblique jackal
#

i dont understand the poison bomb nerf

haughty nebula
#

Agreed, poison bomb nerf.... doesnt make sense to me

trim zinc
#

Cuz like u can't get dtb without pb

slim hamlet
#

Would be crisp with a note

#

But we werent as lucky this time

dark token
#

Recuperator needs to be higher in the tree, dance builds need more healing when they can't take soothing darkness

oblique jackal
#

Def seems like they dont want us to play Sin haha

remote oak
#

I'm more upset they didn't compensate us with more AoE damage somewhere

dark token
#

Scent needed a buff for years but honestly who cares about the dmg, 1.5% nerf and we were op

slim hamlet
#

Outlaw aoe staying as is and nerfing sin aoe is def quite a weird one

remote oak
#

Feels very meh in M+

dark token
#

I'm more concerned about I have to switch to outlaw for all open world congent

haughty nebula
#

so there are no nerfs to the other two specs?

dark token
#

Cause other specs are paper

slim hamlet
#

yeah dont matter for st much, I only care for m+ potential with this change

dark token
#

And we feel slower than dks

slim hamlet
#

or well aoe situations not m+

dark token
#

Dance builds need a way to get more speed

slim hamlet
#

like .2% dps increase

dark token
#

I fall behind the holy priest when pulling in a dungeon

#

Lmao

slim hamlet
#

Dance builds

dark token
#

Yes like outlaw/sub

slim hamlet
#

oh

dark token
#

Our actual good m+ specs since sin has shitty scent of blood

slim hamlet
#

SoB op

nocturne current
dark token
#

A speed phial over a DPS phial

#

Are you nuts

slim hamlet
#

I would

grim tangle
#

I definitely did not struggle for movement speed has sub rogue in dungeon

#

you have so many shadowsteps

#

with vanish

slim hamlet
#

HUH

#

VANISH

#

to shadowstep

remote oak
#

Cringe

idle radish
#

none of hte good embellishments are out right now right?

nocturne current
slim hamlet
#

Correct

#

the top 2 at least

idle radish
#

whats the best one out?

slim hamlet
#

Fang

idle radish
#

imma craft a dagger, tired of playing outlaw

slim hamlet
#

oh god guys

#

I just realised this means that outlaw has to get put into S+ tier because sin got nerfed

balmy condor
#

the tier list

#

they just swapped outlaw/sin without asking either of the writers btw

#

just "oh yeah swap em"

#

tier lists are the cookie clicker of ad revenue man

#

people just keep opening the articles

slim hamlet
#

It's enourmous brain

nocturne current
#

You know what's worse than the nerf

slim hamlet
#

Just absolutely scamming your viewerbase for clicks

icy cliff
#

In general, it is considered very strong in single target

slim hamlet
#

Even if there is a disclaimer

icy cliff
nocturne current
#

The fact that this piece of shit trinket, doesn't work in half the terrains in the game.

image.png
slim hamlet
#

They put sin in B tier for ST btw

cursive igloo
#

that was before the nerf

icy cliff
cursive igloo
#

but yeah we got dropped

slim hamlet
#

Wonderful

#

After nerf they will have to put outlaw up 1 tier

#

maybe even sub too

weak kraken
#

Not being on top of tier lists just means I have less expectations.

cursive igloo
#

means we're more invisible

weak kraken
#

Oh my, stealth got buffed!

slim hamlet
#

Gotta begin the sandbagging

weak kraken
#

Only report shit parses for season 1, and we should get a buff soon enough.

Keep anything good to yourself.

sleek sun
#

how is assass looking so far boys

slim hamlet
#

St good

#

aoe

tired crag
#

very epic and poggers!!

sleek sun
#

im sure this question is asked 100x times in here so i apologize

weak kraken
#

Double ass.

slim hamlet
#

yeah we dont talk about aoe

smoky quail
#

Ass is basically SS tier

tired crag
#

ASS tier PogU

hollow swallow
sleek sun
#

.<

#

ty ❤️

slim hamlet
#

Imagine saying "ty" for these dumbass answers

tired crag
#

not a fan of aoe sin

slim hamlet
weak kraken
sleek sun
#

ya fk you guys

tired crag
#

ST very nice though

slim hamlet
sleek sun
#

xD

slim hamlet
#

They made tuuskarr rep grindable

#

Poggies

hollow swallow
slim hamlet
#

Now we just need a grindable way to get valdrakken accord

next arch
#

With the changes in mind, what's the predicted outcome of pure single target DMG? Ranking wise between the rogue specs .

royal lantern
#

yes

next arch
#

Thank you

royal lantern
#

👋

smoky quail
#

so basically

icy cliff
#

Well there is one st boss in raid concernedpopcorn

hexed root
#

do we want to use exsang still or whats w/ the spec not having it? Or that just for aoe?

balmy condor
#

it's equal in m+ and better for kingsbane setups in ST

smoky quail
#

dont forget, ass has pretty above average execute.

hexed root
balmy condor
#

it was before the nerf

hexed root
#

makes sense

slim hamlet
#

I kinda miss the "several people are typing" exsang times feelscryman

nocturne current
#

I wondered the whole prepatch about what will people complain about now.

next arch
#

Exsadge

hexed root
#

tanks apparnetly

#

has there been any talk about the latest changes yet?

slim hamlet
#

yep

#

pin

weak horizon
#

Do primal whetstones and buzzing runes take up the same slot on the weapon? Is there an easy way to apply either of these to mainhand vs offhand?

balmy condor
#

they take up the same slot

#

you can apply them by right clicking on them, and then clicking the weapon

weak horizon
#

thanks, when i click the buzzing rune it automatically starts casting it

oblique jackal
#

@balmy condor do you think its worth it to play Sin?

balmy condor
#

of course

slim hamlet
#

Worth it until the day they nerf KB

weak horizon
#

am i doing something wrong?

hexed root
#

isnt dragon tb better then kb?

balmy condor
#

well

#

guess that's not an issue

#

does the second click apply to second weapon

oblique jackal
#

will you be pushing Sin instead of Outlaw Whisp

hexed root
balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

for what

weak horizon
#

let me double check, what's weird is that the whetstone works as you said

slim hamlet
#

in what context are we talking

hexed root
slim hamlet
#

Yeah

#

But idk if you're asking me "why nerf kb over dtb" or "why use kb over dtb"

#

or what you mean

icy cliff
#

Kb pepe_chad
Dtb peophammer

hexed root
#

it sounds like you're using KB when DTB is better no?

nocturne current
slim hamlet
red tinsel
weak horizon
red tinsel
#

Please don't make me go Outlaw ;-;

icy cliff
#

I take my better execute and burst over cuck sustained dps specs

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

Also KB makes me want to live

hexed root
#

i might go outlaw just to have less buttons tbh

#

should just go DH

red tinsel
#

Outlaw has lots of buttons now I feel

hexed root
#

sin feels like it has more

#

maybe im playing it wrong

icy cliff
#

I started playing rogue just now first time and outlaw seems infinitely complex

slim hamlet
#

I went to outlaw to check something with my keybinds earlier, and realised there were missing 2 binds just at my "normal rotation" binds

red tinsel
#

Between shadow dance and ambush too feels comparatively similar

slim hamlet
#

outlaw is zzz

icy cliff
#

Sin is easy 2ez

hexed root
#

outlaw mega zzz for free dps

red tinsel
#

We have more agency over our dps as Sin