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slim hamlet
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
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he could with re-crafts

marble hemlock
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recrafting is the main feature of professions, few people use it properly

thorn crater
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he doesnt ahve any hammer control points

royal lantern
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many people dont know that i gues, the raw skill for a t5 is REALLY high, you mostly get t5 by fishing for procs

thorn crater
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have to wait for him to raise his skill

marble hemlock
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ive had so many people order something with 3star materials which cost 3-5x as much, when they could just use lower quality materials, recraft 2-3 times for the same result

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save a lot of mats. the only extra cost is artisans mettle, but you typically get a lot of that anyway

thorn crater
marble hemlock
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sure

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but why spend

royal lantern
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only ah mats

marble hemlock
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15k gold on 3-star alloys

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to slightly increase base skill

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when you could just spend 2k instead

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the crafter needs inspiration proc either way

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i have 36% chance to proc inspiration on my blacksmith

thorn crater
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but tier 2 mats lower the chance of the procc right?

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since the overall difficulty increases

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or am i wrong

royal lantern
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^ people think that crafters will make t5 stuff baseline, when the reality is "t4 when maxed out, let them re-craft 2-3x for a proc and t5"

kindred oriole
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Yeah I was thinking you upgrade the mats if you are really close and it will tilt you over to the next highest level

thorn crater
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i mean my guy couldnt get embellish and missive to tier 4 without rank 3 mats

marble hemlock
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but people want the 5star quality on first craft and spend 40k in mats for it, and only people who hard committed to +skill can do that. once you add missives or other stuff, they no longer have enough skill, since +skill is limited in availability on the tree.

or you can spend 5k, recraft for 2k cost 3-4times, and then get much better gear.

marble hemlock
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get inspiration 🙂

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id might still be cheaper

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to basecraft the item with shit mats

royal lantern
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or skill more lol

marble hemlock
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and then recraft with t3

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i.e. dagger costs 17 alloy to craft. you can buy 17 3-star alloy, which cost like 3k each, so ~45k. or you can buy 17 2star alloy, which are 300g, and then recraft with just 7 3-star alloy instead, so 21k.

thorn crater
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i mean if u recraft an inspired rank 4 for example with tier 3 mats u still need yet another inspiration procc for rank 5

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im understanding this correctly right?

marble hemlock
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you need an inspiration proc either way

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theres not enough +skill

thorn crater
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and how do u raise inspiration

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is it from the ahmmer control?

marble hemlock
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ye

royal lantern
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can probably only finish my inspiriation tree next week sucksman only 50% done

thorn crater
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hammer control and the poyant thing?

marble hemlock
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like, my 392 dagger i crated for myself

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i couldnt even craft it at 4star

royal lantern
marble hemlock
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but i got so much inspiration from a proc

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(and obviously i was close to 4star already)

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that i just skipped 2 quality levels

royal lantern
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i have enough to make t4 daggers baseline

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cus i have weaponsmith/blades maxed out and small blades at 25

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and hammer controll 15

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but yeha, inspiriation is wherenthe endgame is

marble hemlock
royal lantern
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get that tree maxed fast and you can do most crafts

marble hemlock
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as an example

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i cant even craft it 4star

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but with proc

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its enough skill to be 5star

royal lantern
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you have 100blacksmith?

marble hemlock
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ye

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blacksmithing is piss easy to get to 100

royal lantern
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how, im stuck at 64 cus no orders lol

marble hemlock
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put 30 into any specialization

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get masters hammer craft

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do that until 100

royal lantern
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hmmm

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well, next 5points into small weapons then i gues

sick edge
marble hemlock
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crafting them is kinda expensive but ye

marble hemlock
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but none of them were inspired

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makes no difference tho, the point im trying to make is that you cannot reach 345 skill, not even with illustrious insight

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you can get 90 skill from weapon spec, another 30 from hammer control, and thats it. all the other specialization talents only give skill for stuff that doesnt apply to weapons, or give other stats entirely

royal lantern
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^

marble hemlock
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once the base recipe cost becomes high enough, theres basically no way to get a guaranteed 5star (or 3star for materials/enchants etc.) craft. it will always be a chance based on inspiration

royal lantern
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its ALL inspiriation procs in the end

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people want that guranteed t5 craft that doesnt exist

sick edge
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High quality materials also increase the skill, that’s why the crafting grade increases with better materials. Pretty sure that’s how it works. I have no idea if that means you can reach the skill rating you mentioned, just saying that that is another way to increase the skill

marble hemlock
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and it makes everything 5x more expensive

royal lantern
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high quality mats are not big impact

marble hemlock
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so even if you could get a guaranteed craft at 5x the cost

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why would you do that

royal lantern
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like, using ah rank3 alloys over my own rank1 alloys

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is not even 1/4

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its like 1/8 of the bar

marble hemlock
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when you can use much cheaper materials and just get an inspiration proc instead. just using inspiration tool gives you >20% inspiration

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average cost is gonna be cheaper by then

royal lantern
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inspiriation hammer with inspiriation enchant

marble hemlock
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need to re-do mine at some point

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but this shit is 450 recipe difficulty

thorn crater
marble hemlock
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ye

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its 100% skill-up all the way to 100

royal lantern
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using a blue hammer 🙂

marble hemlock
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might just go hammer spec next

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just to get a 5star one eventually

royal lantern
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gotta kill forgemaster again today sucksman

marble hemlock
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cuz this shit expensive

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i just bought the recipe for like 20k when it was cheap

opaque sigil
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how much did it cost you to spam master’s hammer to 100 Seli?

royal lantern
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they are expensive iirc

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need obsidian alloy?

marble hemlock
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fair amount

swift dagger
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I read what u guys discussed earlier but im just making sure: If I want 392 dagger (5 star) with embellishment from random dude over Trade, I just get it crafted first with T2 mats and embellishment+missive and then recraft with T3 mats until they proc to 5 star?

marble hemlock
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i crafted alloys myself, sold the 3star ones i got

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with high inspiration that kinda makes up for it, or well, it did when it was still super expensive

swift dagger
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what if it initially rolls 3 star, can I get to 5 star with few recrafts or is it first inspire to 4 star and then again need a proc to 5 star

marble hemlock
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doesnt matter what quality you had before

swift dagger
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(I kinda hate how confusing this is as a non-crafter myself...)

opaque sigil
marble hemlock
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every recipe has a recipe difficulty. thats the one you see in the window. adding additional reagents like ilvl increase or missives increases that difficulty. the difficulty shown is what you need for max quality (3 for materials, 5 for gear)

every crafter has a base skill, that is the sum of his profession skill (so i.e. 80/100 enchanting = 80 skill), plus his tools (with rare tools thatd be 6+6+10 so 22) and whatever talents he chose on the profession tree. say someone allocated 70 knowledge into talents that gave him skill for the craft he wants to do.

he'd end up with 80+22+77 skill, so 179

you then add a certain amount of skill for the quality of the materials used. i dont think theres a solid formula (that we know off yet, but higher quality = more skill added)

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game then looks at the final skill vs difficulty, say you have 179 skill, reagents add 50, so 229, and the recipe difficulty is 300. that would put you at 4star (since the breakpoints for a 300difficult craft would be 2star 75, 3star 150, 4star 225)

swift dagger
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and then you would rely on a inspiration proc to make it 5 star with embellisment+missive on it

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I think I understand that part now

marble hemlock
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inspiration proc baseline adds 66% of what a level requires. so 66% of 75. so youd get 49skill from that. would put you at 229+49, so 278. that menas youre still 22skill short

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its only at this point, imo, that you should consider using higher quality materials

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because these numbers are all static

swift dagger
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Thank you Seliathan. Did Blizz address the Embellishment thing in pins yet?

marble hemlock
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the skill of the crafter is a constant (although a changeable one, ofc). the skill from tools is a constant. the inspiration proc based on recipe cost is a constant

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the only variable you can fiddle with is the reagent quality, so you should change that last

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idk anything about a bug, ill be honest

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i can just remove an embellishment and recraft with a new one if i wanted to

swift dagger
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One more question: is there any way I can brick my item from random crafter or is it safe to craft lets say 382 Spark dagger with Embellishment+Missive and just get it re-crafted at a later point by someone else. As long as I have corret Missive on it its not brickable?

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recraft to try to get it to that 5 star mark.

marble hemlock
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you cant brick an item, no

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any optional reagent (ilvl increase, missive, embellishment) are basically "enchants" that stay with the item unless you do smth to remove it. recreafting at a later point, theyll still have those modifiers active

swift dagger
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Thanks thats what I was most worried about. Thanks again!

marble hemlock
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but yeah, for smth like blacksmithing, inspiration is really big. for others, like engi, its kinda trash

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but engi also has like 6 different profession talents that all give +all skill

thorn crater
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so what you're saying is that you can get the initial craft at rank 3 and the recraft can get to 5 with an inspiration proc

marble hemlock
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yes

dusk harness
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I might be stupid, but what poison are we using, deadly or amplifying poison?

marble hemlock
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check the FAQ

royal lantern
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if you skill amplifying

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why would you NOT use it

marble hemlock
dusk harness
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ty

marble hemlock
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the FAQ have lots of useful information, recommend checking it for general information. the pins in each spec channel have more recent info on hotfixes or similar stuff, recommend checking those as well

spice spire
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Maybe I just wanted to see nova more

dusk harness
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yeah, I checked the pins, but couldn't find anythign there. I'll check the faq, I missed it

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Thanks

marble hemlock
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odds are most basic questions are covered in either of them 🙂

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but yeah, crafting is a bit convoluted, but i love it

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hope they do more with the system in the future

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only thing id like more transparency on, is how material quality affects skill

distant cypress
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Is there a build with kingsbane without exang?

marble hemlock
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there is, its not the best, but its not much worse either

distant cypress
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Can you show me where I can see it? I don't see it in the faq for raiding

marble hemlock
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theres no "guide" for it because, well, no one would make a guide for smth thats numerically inferior 😄

spice spire
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You literally roll the same build

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And just swap ttb on the left side

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For Exsang

marble hemlock
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you just swap exsang for any other talent that gives DPS

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think best choice atm is TTB, yeah. like 1% worse than exsang iirc?

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there was a pic floating around comparing differences

distant cypress
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Thanks a lot!

marble hemlock
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cant find it anymore tho

spice spire
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No worries, good luck! Yeah it’s like 1.2 again post nerf

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Iirc, don’t hold me on that tho

distant cypress
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1-2% won't be much of a difference to me, I got used to be inferior as night fae sin rogue (I took a break before they made all legendaries available regardless of covenant)

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XD

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Good times

thorn crater
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seli how many points do you have in BS?

marble hemlock
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you mean knowledge?

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150

spice spire
marble hemlock
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if the fucking expedition npc would stop scamming me for my knowledge, that'd be swell

royal lantern
thorn crater
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i have 107 on LW and i thought its a lot

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lmao

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how did u get so high

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how do u get so much knowledge

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cause ive been digging for example

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but i dont find more than 1 per day

night perch
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Anyone knows which blessing i should use ?

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copper hazel
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mastery

limber lion
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
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daily/weekly stuff

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dunno if you did all the treasures that give 3 each

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craft a bunch of stuff for the first tiem bonus

limber lion
marble hemlock
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unlocking recipes etc.

thorn crater
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i think the issue might be

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that i went full on leather spec

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and noone crafts teh leather set

marble hemlock
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yeah its like

thorn crater
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so all orange first time crafts left are the life bound pieces

marble hemlock
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if you unlcok recipes that no one wants to craft

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its a bit awkward to gain skill

thorn crater
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i mean i didnt expect everyone would lose their minds over the primal 3 pieces

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only thing anyone crafts are the bracers

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guess i need to get renown 18 to progress

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with the profession gear

marble hemlock
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which is fucing stupid

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cuz like

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why would you ever craft LW bracers instead of engi ones

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when engi ones have tinker socket

thorn crater
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ok so i put things down. the only life bound piece that MIGHT be worth investing into

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is prolly gonna be the boots

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cause the rest have either embellished shit sets

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engineering

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or the tier set

marble hemlock
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yeah

thorn crater
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so i am maxing out the boots and just left the rest to just craft

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this is my tree

marble hemlock
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LW in general is just... meh

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wouldve probably been best to invest in bow kekdog

thorn crater
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i truly thought some of thep ieces would be useful

marble hemlock
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they might be later

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but rn when sparks are rare

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its gonna be meh

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and since you cant use crafted gear and use crucible on them for set pieces

thorn crater
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i just need the illustrious crafting recipe

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so i had to max one piece of anything

marble hemlock
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itll be difficult to justify stuff like chest or pants craft

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when sparks are limited and unrecoverable

thorn crater
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i mean, why would anyone bother crafting a piece of that high of a cost

marble hemlock
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but yeah

thorn crater
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even if u could transform it

marble hemlock
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the 30/30 split definitely isnt ideal

thorn crater
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taht would negate the purpose of crafting it in the first place if it turns into a different item

marble hemlock
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the system really is designed around specializing in one particular thing

thorn crater
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its not but i can craft everything

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next is maxing inspiration

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and then into primal

marble hemlock
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you can craft evrything, but not as well as others

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why would anyone come to you for anything instead of going to a specialist for each item thats craftable

thorn crater
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cause they can get it crafted for cheaper mats and then go to a specialized one for the recraft

marble hemlock
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but why wouldnt they just get the cheaper mat craft with that specialist already?

thorn crater
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i mean im not out there actively seeking work tbf. its just for the guild

marble hemlock
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aight

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but yeah idk

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like

thorn crater
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the problem is that whats done is done

marble hemlock
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yep

thorn crater
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i watched avideo, the guy said oh wait u can get to 280 difficulty with max rank mats

royal lantern
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there should be SOME form of bad reskilling imo

thorn crater
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so u can unlock every piece

marble hemlock
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thats the main issue really. either swap professions or deal with the fact that you wont be the go-to guy for high ilvl items for a while

thorn crater
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and i was like " bet thats what ill do"

royal lantern
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like, take 2 or 3 points out and get 1 in return

marble hemlock
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couldve honestly just done

royal lantern
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no full respec cus that would make it pointless

marble hemlock
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the conduit system kekdog

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conduit energy for profession reskills

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say you wanna reskill, you click button, after 7days it actually happens

thorn crater
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the worst part about this is

marble hemlock
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so you cant just switch quickly to minmx or anything

thorn crater
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the SAME SHIT

royal lantern
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the "all points are final lmao sucker" feels somewhat bad if you didnt check everything 10x

thorn crater
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happened to me with inscription

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cause teh darkmoon decks were shit

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i was like ok bet they are gonna buff them no way they stay like that

marble hemlock
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yeah i mean

thorn crater
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then rip

marble hemlock
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my alt cant skill inscription

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he has no items unlocked that grant skill

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but then again, the system isnt designed around people having 100skill immediately anyway

thorn crater
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now im stuck with having water and fire decks

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and thay re fuckin useless

marble hemlock
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but itd be nice to have some item to gain skill at least on a weekly basis, ya know

thorn crater
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cause they are undertuned af

marble hemlock
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similar to DMF

thorn crater
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so i had to stop skilling the decks and moved to missives and treatises

marble hemlock
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im guessing a lot of people completely fucked their profession trees. i know i did, its why i swapped to blacksmithing to start fresh on a profession, after i knew what i was doing

thorn crater
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and now im like, ok great i am 300k down the drain cause i didnt have herb and wanted to get it up asap

royal lantern
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the entire prof/work order system is a really good base, its like 70%done good, just need to fix the last few problems with it and its perfect imo

thorn crater
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might as well swap inscription to blacksmithing

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since they share renown rep with LW on the ponies

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@marble hemlock can u link me ur tree pls?

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i am SERIOUSLY considering throwing away a 74 inscritpion

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cause the tree is abyssmal

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i have points in fuckin darkmoon decks

royal lantern
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he really did just

thorn crater
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and just unlocked treatise

random fossil
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I got baited by wyrmhole generator 😦 but managed to recover and have my brez wrists now

royal lantern
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go small blades

thorn crater
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oh did he

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sorry

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i mean the point split

marble hemlock
royal lantern
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and then grabbed all insipration things in hammer control

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its like, unlock the craft plans in the trees->slamm inspiration tree full

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then grab all the +skill nodes for your craft

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aka hammer controll, weapon smith, blades, small weapons

marble hemlock
winter gale
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1 off subject question but its simple yes/no 😄

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Is renown connected to any sort of player power?

marble hemlock
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yes and no. you can buy some higher ilvl items atm, but theyll quickly become outdated when raid/M+ open up

royal lantern
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just the order is somewhat important, seli went inspiriation full first, i did all +skills first, selis approach was somewhat better, but i can still make the same weapons then him

winter gale
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So long term no

marble hemlock
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the biggest powergain you can get from renown, is hitting maximum renown with iskaara/maruuk/expedition. you will get a primal infusion, which can be used to upgrade a crafted item to 405 ilvl

winter gale
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Good, Im under RNWN 10 on each of them atm 😄

marble hemlock
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yeah, i wouldnt worry too much about it

winter gale
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Ill do em slower a bit

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Ty and sry for coming here with it

marble hemlock
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its very low effort atm, and will remain so for a while

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no apologies necessary, we're here to help 🙂

marble hemlock
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so even just for crafting tools or alloys at higher quality, inspiration is neat

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inspiration will lose value later down the line, but atm its often the difference maker of whether you need to commit another 20 knowledge into a tree, or can start opening up other stuff

sterile torrent
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
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i mean yeha, but its like

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i have all weapo stuff for small blades maxed

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aka 25 small, 30blades, 30weaponsmith

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and inspiriation is allready half done

marble hemlock
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ye

royal lantern
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soooo, its not a big "lost" i had there

marble hemlock
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ive just seen people go like 30/30/30 in weaponsmithing and its a waste

royal lantern
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will finish inspiriation

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and the finish hammer controll

marble hemlock
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gotta be as conservative as you can be with knowledge

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i always hold ~5 knowledge in reserve as well in case i ever need some

royal lantern
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thats all +skill for weapons possible then

thorn crater
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why finish off hammer control though

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just so u use less mats?

royal lantern
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hammer Control gives skill

thorn crater
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oh wait

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u mean the base ability

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i meant the whole tree

royal lantern
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skill=you make EVERYTHING better

thorn crater
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for safety smithing

royal lantern
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hammer controll is the generic "you smith all better" tree

thorn crater
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yeye all good i just thhought that safety smithing isnt all that much

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might as well go into specialty and alloys

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to prep for the future

royal lantern
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safety/resourcfull stuff is going to be for sharpening/weightstones

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use less mats, stack multicraft, slamm those sharpeningstones out

thorn crater
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and make profit where others cry on the cost

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i get it

marble hemlock
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ye theres +all skill as i like to call it

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and a shitton of +skill for specific types

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engi has like

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5 nodes that give all skill

royal lantern
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i probably go for sharpening stones OR tools when all my weapon knowledge is done

sour hinge
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
thorn crater
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
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hammer+tools to craft 5star epic hammer imo

royal lantern
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ye, thats what i probs gonna do

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dunno how many specs will use stones

thorn crater
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is that masters hammer that good?

royal lantern
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rogue doesnt

marble hemlock
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not only does it give a shitload of inspiration or multicraft

thorn crater
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is it profession equipment?

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ah i see

marble hemlock
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but also gives 15% more skill from inspiration

royal lantern
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master hammer from going 30into a tree is NOT a smith hammer btw, its a repair hammdr with endless uses

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seli means the epic smith hammer

marble hemlock
royal lantern
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^ that one

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its a drop/buy recipee

thorn crater
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sigh why doesnt teh fuckin leatherworking have something similar for the equipment

royal lantern
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it 100% has

thorn crater
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oh

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oh

marble hemlock
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afaik its only BS that has an epic tool atm

thorn crater
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i thought it was teh master hammer

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is the recipe bop?

marble hemlock
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nah, masters hammer is just an item thatallows you to repair your weapon for free

thorn crater
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so basically

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the final 5 points are useless

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no?

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u can skip them and leave it at 25

royal lantern
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its +5 skill for that specific weapon/armor type

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thats it

thorn crater
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which u can get from the general

royal lantern
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oh, and you can use the master hammer to push 100bs at a VERY high price

thorn crater
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so u can go for it to hammer control

royal lantern
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yes

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trust me, it sounds complicated

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but if you understood it once, its actually really simple

thorn crater
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so 10-10-25 for daggers, then 10-30 in hammer control

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then max hammer control and then blades?

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and at that point u can max daggers if u want to get the masters hammer to possibly get to 75 skill

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to unlock the third tree

marble hemlock
thorn crater
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for specialty smithing

marble hemlock
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most important one is the 30 in blades/hafted

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to be able to use quenching fluid

thorn crater
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i mean 25 gives u access to illustrious insight

marble hemlock
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fuck that

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you dont need that

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not as blacksmith

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you might need it for crafting 418 wep

thorn crater
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i mean then ure definitely not getting the masters hammer

marble hemlock
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but if i did my math right, its not necessary

thorn crater
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and if u wanna unlock a 3rd tree u need 75/100

marble hemlock
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well yeah

thorn crater
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and u cant really easily get to 75

marble hemlock
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you unlock masters hammer in one

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but then you dont do it in others

thorn crater
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no for sure i meant

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just go 10-10-25

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not 30

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them 30-30 in hammer control

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and then what?

marble hemlock
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10-10-30 > 10-30-30 > 10-30-30-other spec

drifting cloud
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its been like 90min of 3 people talking about professions surely you could just do this in wow-gen or

marble hemlock
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you wnat the quenching fluid unlock

thorn crater
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ty

marble hemlock
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between that, hammer bonus, and getting 10-30-30, you can craft 418 wep with t3 missive+embellishment without needing insight

thorn crater
sour hinge
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Is the opener in the FAQ no longer correct if we're not taking exsang and shrouded suffocation?

marble hemlock
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which is good, cuz insight is one-time use and its BoP, so if you craft it for someone else, you still have to use your own mettle

marble hemlock
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cant really go wrong with ss>snd>ambush

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might not be best, but were talking about single individual GCDs here in a 5min fight

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its not gonna make a big difference either way

heady surge
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
heady surge
#

first one is dtb no ss

tepid burrow
#

can someone explain or have a link to a guide how the crafting works or how to craft the dagger efficient?

burnt latch
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
sour hinge
# heady surge first one is dtb no ss

Would the opener in the sim be optimal then instead of FAQ? Just don't wanna be practicing the wrong opener lol. Muscle memory's already fucked from the exsang change

#

Garrote -> SBS -> SND -> Mut x2 -> Rupture -> DM -> Shiv -> ER?

marble hemlock
#

no idea about DTB openers atm

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since i dont plan on playing it until i have at least 2 set

sour wraith
marble hemlock
#

its what i have atm, yes

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can craft 418 dagger when i get concentrated infusion

sour wraith
#

Cool ty

bold drum
#

this is still a thing in the faq hmmm

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marble hemlock
#

yeah well, faq isnt gonna be proofread from start to finish everytime theres a change

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if you notice an issue, just DM whispyr (or the other faq authors)

burnt latch
#

smh not having a dynamically changing faq

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unplayable

spice spire
royal lantern
thorn fjord
#

exsang bad

royal lantern
#

exsang as 45sec bad

#

exsang as 3min good

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🙂

thorn fjord
#

Fridays>Exsang

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So close to raid... i can taste it

alpine latch
#

Screw raid, it's PoE day

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Raid can wait til Tuesday

vestal wren
obtuse ruin
#

Anything 3 mins feels icky

royal lantern
#

its a bandaid fix, they said it themself

manic haven
royal lantern
#

they know the talent is problematic and many people dont like it

manic haven
#

Raid that is

royal lantern
#

so they do that rn to make it less dominat

novel arrow
#

Garrote isn't silencing atm. Is this happening to anyone else?

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Can someone test quickly.

alpine latch
#

Do you have the talent that silences?

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Iron Wire or whatever it's called?

royal lantern
#

only with iron wire

novel arrow
#

Waut what

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When did this happen?

alpine latch
#

uhh, 2018?

spice spire
#

Uh

peak bobcat
#

When do you think

alpine latch
#

2016?

novel arrow
#

I was literally silencing people 1 day ago

spice spire
#

Change build?

alpine latch
#

Then you had the talent that does it lol

novel arrow
#

@peak bobcat what do you mean when do you think?

alpine latch
#

Yeah, from what I can see, it was removed in 2016

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Back in Legion

novel arrow
#

Palmer ur wrong

alpine latch
#

Am I?

novel arrow
#

I main pvp. I've never taken this talent. even last expac

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garrote silenced. always

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when used from stealth

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Iron wire made it longer

alpine latch
#

okay, you clearly know more than me man - you must be right

vast forum
#

Garrote definitely silenced without iron wire before df

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Just shorter silence

novel arrow
#

Yoppa can u test

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It's not silencing atm

vast forum
#

I'm not home

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I haven't played assa in df

novel arrow
#

I was silencing yesterday

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Wtf just changed.

vast forum
#

Was assa main in bfa and a bit of sl

novel arrow
#

@vestal wren Fuu u there?

alpine latch
#

Out of curiousity

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Are you stealthed when you're casting it?

novel arrow
#

Yes sir.

alpine latch
#

Huh, IDK - it literally worked for me 30 minutes ago

vestal wren
#

whats the question

novel arrow
#

fuu . Garrote isn't silencing

vestal wren
#

its only from stealth

novel arrow
#

yes

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I'm in stealth. Are you online? Can u check. am I bugged

vestal wren
#

what did you try it on?

novel arrow
#

assa ?

vestal wren
#

no target

novel arrow
#

pvp and pve

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players and random trash

vestal wren
#

hmm interessting

novel arrow
#

I can only silence with iron wire now.

slim hamlet
#

Have you chosen IW Kappa

slim hamlet
novel arrow
#

and when I take off Iron wire. The tooltip doesn't change.

#

Either I'm bugged or garrote is bugged

#

trying to find out which one

slim hamlet
#

Garrote doesnt silence without iron wire

novel arrow
#

Is this a dragonflight change?

alpine latch
#

I told him that and was told I was wrong dracthyr_shrug

novel arrow
#

dude palmer

#

...

slim hamlet
alpine latch
royal lantern
#

garrote only has a silence with IW now

high nacelle
#

it was a talent option in SL

alpine latch
#

This is the last patch that Garrote silenced

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2014

#

But clearly you know better than me because you did it in SL

novel arrow
#

......

alpine latch
#

So, I let it slide

novel arrow
#

palmer.

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You dont know what ur talking about .But ok

alpine latch
#

You can keep saying my name - but you're still wrong

spice spire
#

In SL you left the talent row alone so you probably had iron wire 24/7

alpine latch
#

It hasn't silenced by default in a very long time

high nacelle
#

talent in SL

image.png
alpine latch
#

Everyone here is basically telling you the same thing

novel arrow
#

See

#

Done

alpine latch
#

Yeah - it was a talent, that came back inLegion

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Like I said 5 minutes ago

novel arrow
#

Rofl.

#

@high nacelle So it's a dragonflight change. thank you.

blazing totem
#

hmm but you claimed it was silencing yesterday

slim hamlet
novel arrow
#

I must have just assumed it continued to. But I know it silenced without iron wire in Shadowlands. Because I got glad 3 seasons never taking iron wire.

kindred oriole
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
novel arrow
#

It sucks that it doesn't silence now. It makes me have 1 less talent point. ush

#

ugh*

spice spire
#

I mean I relooked at the talent and was like damn, it just extended, L for me

novel arrow
#

Yeah. it just extended

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by 1 second

#

not by 3 as it says in the tooltip. the talent was worthless

royal lantern
#

@spice spire dog pic?

novel arrow
#

So when people here come at me saying Garrote didn't silence in shadowlands. Can't argue with people that clearly didn't play assa.

spice spire
#

Eh it was decent enough for packs. It’s clear PvE was here because you only noticed when you took subterfuge as you wouldn’t open with garrote otherwise. And 95% of the time in St you used MA

supple snow
#

so what are our pre raid BiS trinkets?

spice spire
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
#

Garrote has always silenced your target. Dragonflight is the first expansion where it does not do that.

oblique jackal
#

It looks like outlaw might be the way to go :/

slim hamlet
#

no

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Can't make me

spice spire
coral rivet
#

so wich of both builds do we use in m+? or is it personal pref.?

supple snow
jovial verge
limber lion
# alpine latch Yeah - it was a talent, that came back inLegion

This is not true. Iron Wire, or previously known as Thuggee, did not do that. In Legion it had a garrote-reset mechanic tied to it. Iron Wire like we know was introduced in BFA and even back then Iron Wire extended the Garrote silence duration and the DR. Dragonflight is the first expansion/patch where Garrote does not silence and Iron Wire is required to enable it.

jaunty lotus
#

Outlaw is the way to go

limber lion
coral rivet
#

oh ok

royal lantern
#

🙂

slim hamlet
#

Switching to warlock

#

yep

alpine latch
#

Silence probably came from a higher rank and not base rank 1

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base garrote hasn't silenced in a very long time - it must have been a higher level rank

limber lion
alpine latch
#

Which, looking at it, it 100% was. Rank 1 didn't silence, rank 2 did

limber lion
#

You linked a picture of Wowhead that clearly states what it does

alpine latch
#

I also said specific dates which came from wowpedia

limber lion
#

And you said that Iron Wire's silence was introduced in Legion, which is not true whatsoever

jaunty lotus
limber lion
#

You're just making stuff up at this point and blaming a website for it

slim hamlet
#

if imma play proc rng gaming imma play enhance

limber lion
#

You were wrong in this debate, just suck it up and move on.

alpine latch
#

According to this, it was added in Legion

slim hamlet
#

Why are you still talking about iron wire

coral rivet
alpine latch
#

IDK, I'm the one being tagged for simply repeating was a tooltip on a website says

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If it's wrong, okay

#

Wowpedia said Iron Wire was added in Legion, so I said it was

limber lion
#

It's okay to be wrong sometimes Palmer.

flint tusk
#

bruh please can we get back to actually useful discussion not this technically BS about stuff that doesn't matter.... the game is how it is now.

alpine latch
#

The tooltip in WowHead says garrote hasn't silenced in the better part of a decade

limber lion
alpine latch
#

If it's wrong, cool - stop tagging me

limber lion
alpine latch
#

I have more stress than I can deal with right now, I really don't care man. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Clearly I was

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Sorry for saying something that was incorrect

copper hazel
alpine latch
#

I'll try not to do it again

jaunty lotus
#

Someone is wrong on the internet?!?

coral rivet
odd dew
#

Why is the Sim telling me to reapply my bleeds right after apply them?

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strange python
odd dew
odd dew
unkempt scroll
#

You should still be in subterfuge on the second garrote no?

kindred meadow
#

The 50%bonus stays for 3seconds

light garnet
#

imp garrote lets you do that

strange python
unkempt scroll
#

Ah right improved garrote now

pseudo hamlet
#

Is DTB ~ KB+Exang in DPS for the ST encounters?

slim hamlet
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
tulip kernel
#

Kingsbane or DTB for Single target?

slim hamlet
#

the spreadsheet

tulip kernel
#

oh that spreadsheet has it pog

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ty

slim hamlet
#

is the last message before you sent that

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Ye Whispyr is pog

tulip kernel
#

yee

pseudo hamlet
#

Anyway, wouldn't it be better to go with doomblade + SBS instead of SS + Improved Poison in the DTB build?

Wouldn't 2 bonus bleeds + 4%poison/bleed dmg from the Lethal Dose
be better than
5% better chance to poison + stronger garrotes( 3CP and +20%dmg)?

slim hamlet
#

Pretty sure whispyr has simmed everything in excistence already

trim dirge
#

sim it and find out

slim hamlet
#

SS is really strong

novel arrow
#

Shrouded is insane . so much quality of life

vestal cliff
#

Do u guys use a nameplate addon to keep track of the buff durations?

novel arrow
#

BUFF durations?

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Are you talking about short buffs?

slim hamlet
#

I use plater

terse sandal
novel arrow
#

Flyplatebuffs is what I use

limber lion
#

With all the poison nodes

#

You play DTB without Shrouded

vestal cliff
#

I mean dot durations sorry

slim hamlet
#

🪰 🍽️ 💪

novel arrow
#

@vestal cliff flyplatebuffs is really good.

#

And if you wanna keep track of lets say 3-5 ruptures in a fight. Weakauras can do that

coral rivet
#

is there a poison makro?

dark token
wary ice
#

Does the doomblade talent ignite the same way the leggo did?

limber lion
#

Yes

#

Still very minor and kinda useless

slim hamlet
#

plus the quality of life of itt makes it a 20% dps increase

novel arrow
#

Imagine pressing vanish garrote... and not having 3 combo points 😦

#

That would be a sad

dark token
#

Playing sub the dual rupture talent is sooooo nice. Would love to have that on garrote for sin

vestal cliff
#

Thanks!

royal lantern
novel arrow
#

@vestal cliff Looks like this

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novel arrow
vestal cliff
#

niiiice

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I like it

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Is it on cursedforge?

pseudo hamlet
spice spire
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
novel arrow
pseudo hamlet
spice spire
# pseudo hamlet not according to WoWhead

Wowhead updates slower since information is coming in the most up to date information (for sim) will be in !whispyr or the FAQ: wowhead takes a ton of time to edit

limber lion
spice spire
#

So it’s easier to just check the sheet for the most up to date info

limber lion
#

Wowhead doesn't necessarily recommend the absolute minmax best dps build in the world either

spice spire
#

Because once everything is 1000000000% finalized he’ll update it

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Also what Cev said.

pseudo hamlet
#

Oh, good to know. I was following wowhead, but I guess it is kinda outdated

urban minnow
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
pseudo hamlet
tropic spoke
#

guys, should i use Serrated Bone Spike when its ready, instead of mutilate? or apply just 1 time for the dot?

spice spire
#

Apply once, and then use where it makes sense. Don’t overcap on charges either

tame slate
#

Use to avoid cap yeah

spice spire
#

The second part is kind of weird so there’s a quick explanation

tropic spoke
#

so if i have 3 charges, then use it?

spice spire
#

Before sbs had rules due to soulbinds, use to extend Kevin or use during gemstone windows. Those exist no longer, so say you need to run away from the boss but don’t want to overcap on energy, charges, whatever. Toss one out, it makes sense.
Boss is about to die and you’re a bit starved/out of tea? Send it, it’s a cheap builder

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I’m sure there are optimization rules that can be done

#

But fraction of a % compared to constant changes - makes 0 sense to prioritize it on the APL

novel arrow
#

omg Kevin 😭

dark token
#

Blacklist amp/numbing/atrophic poisons

#

Waste of screen space it's entirely passive

mighty lance
#

I'm going to update my weakaura that fixes the sticking combo point bug to also fix this, it was bothering me a lot. Just using it for a day or so to test it before uploading a new revision.

dark token
#

Anyone here have a WA that tracks improved garrotes/exanged ruptures?

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Trying to write one it's quite annoying, need a trigger state updater or something

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Useful so you don't overwrite and improved garrote/exang rupture accidentally

novel arrow
dark token
#

Also deadly and cripplinh

hallow sage
dark token
#

Idk I use plater I just type atrophic and it gone

#

Go on wowhead

hallow sage
#

nvm found it

#

392388

dark token
#

@limber lion I swear you had a WA that tracked the improved garrotes per target

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If not I will write one, couldn't find one on wago

cursive igloo
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
copper hazel
limber lion
copper hazel
#

i tried to take luxthos one out of his pack but it kept bricking

dark token
#

Might as well learn lua

copper hazel
#

nicee

limber lion
quick chasm
#

mine stopped working this xpac if you wanted to check it, might save time

limber lion
#

It's like the engine that makes the exsang/empowerement tracking work

#

Just take all 3 of these and the Gar/Rupture weak auras that you want.

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copper hazel
slim hamlet
#

Hmm Dratnos and Tettles said the only good dps embellishment is the potion extender

#

am I hard missing something

#

Nevermind they said "the only good one" then talks about all the good ones after that 🙂

spice spire
#

Dratnos and tettles kekl

slim hamlet
#

I love watching the titanforging

#

But I swear they're on crack recently

spice spire
#

Recently

slim hamlet
#

Yeah

#

Usually it isn't where I'm thinking "wtf is going on"

tropic spoke
#

in opening rotations, there is something typed like use haste buffs here, with vanish. what kind of haste buffs means?

slim hamlet
#

Trinkets

#

Mostly idk what else it would be

royal lantern
dark token
#

It seems lackluster now or maybe my guild boomies sandbagging

royal lantern
#

dude, 99% of balance druid are utter dogshit

#

that why they alway cry balance is weak

cursive igloo
#

^

royal lantern
#

when the class is not overtuned as hell, they suddenly do no dmg cus they Play bad

slim hamlet
#

Warlock and Druids are the kings of bagging the sand

cursive igloo
#

they are ither really good or just exists

spice spire
#

Absolute rat

slim hamlet
#

no

#

owl

gusty mirage
spice spire
#

Nah that’s Quakenboots buddy

obtuse latch
#

Any opinions on this build: BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJJJQClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSaJJiEIQiFE

#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
bitter sphinx
#

Is there a macro out there for blindside where you can bind mutilate and ambush to the same key?

gray crest
#

!ambush

prisma monolithBOT
#

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

bitter sphinx
#

tyvm

limber lion
#

Would not recommend.

spice spire
#

Seconded (don’t recommend)

thorn fjord
#

Digging the christmas daggers

obtuse latch
limber lion
obtuse latch
glass gyro
#

So I’m new to Assassin and Echoing Reprimand is making the rotation harder to learn, are there any other talents I can pick that would be a huge dps loss?

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Wouldn’t

spice spire
#

Yeah you do anyway.
I’m unsure if this is easier than going ss+ final Zoldyck point or even ttb + final zoldyck @obtuse latch

It’s really not a huge loss at all though and if you like it, play it!

spice spire
glass gyro
#

Just keeping track of how many combo points I should be saving per Echo “proc” feels like I’m fumbling over and accidentally gaining to many points and not utilizing it effectively

thorn fjord
#

With ER you gotta tell yourself that CP generation is going to be a little different... Mut is fairly good about lining up with the ER CP stuff... just takes some practice

#

Dont strain yourself trying to hit those CP's it should happen semi naturally

limber lion
burnt latch
spice spire
#

Not saying it shouldn’t be hard or whatever to you - it takes a lot of practice but yeah it’s unfortunately good

neon kindle
#

Garona a Sub or Sin rogue, i cant remember

glass gyro
#

Thank you for the info, I guess I don’t have a problem learning just wanting to get it figured out before raid starts

gusty mirage
novel arrow
#

@glass gyro When ur starting out, you dont need to min max that hard. Just do ur best.

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
#

@glass gyro becomes much easier once you find the rhythm

gusty mirage
#

Yeah a lot of it is just building muscle memory

spice spire
strange python
#

in DTB single target build is it better to use all anima charged CPs on envenom or it doesnt matter and i can use it on rupture as well

neon kindle
oak sky
weak horizon
#

Did the ravenholdt logo change or am I crazy

limber lion
#

Yes

weak horizon
#

Thx

limber lion
#

That's the Christmas version

viscid spear
weak horizon
#

LOL

sterile torrent
#

does anyone have the opener + rotation guide for this talent setup as ass

#

but garrote only gives 1 cp

spice spire
rain oyster
#

That talent setup feels smooth af btw

#

Prob drop venom rush for CT when there’s some adds, not pure st

primal wedge
novel arrow
rain oyster
#

Smooth like melted over broken glass

#

🤔

spice spire
smoky phoenix
#

How come sometimes my rarescanner will show up some durts, like 2x, then i get durt 1, but then durt2 dissapears(assuming becasue someone grabbed it) yet if i remember wehere it's at, i can them go to the second one and loot it, but it's dissapeared from my minimpa icons?

#

Seems super bad, is there an easy fix?

rain oyster
#

They disappear if someone else gets to them or a certain amount of clicks but are still there

#

Farm at 3am, dirt heaven

smoky phoenix
#

Right, is there a way to make it so they dont dissapear?

#

since i can still loot them right?

rain oyster
#

No

#

It’s a it be how it be thing if a lot of ppl are digging holes

smoky phoenix
#

Alright tyvm for quick reply

cursive sparrow
#

one question

#

does simcraft post rogue simulation yet?

vernal walrus
#

the muti/ambush macro works good? its worth use it?

gusty mirage
#

no

#

to both questions

vernal walrus
#

okey, i mean the one with gse addon

gusty mirage
#

yeah the addon is scuffed

#

like it can work

#

but it's nowhere near good

vernal walrus
#

that was what it seemed to me

#

that addon sometimes is scuffed

#

thx for answers

gusty mirage
dense cedar
#

with two specs pressing ambush all the time

#

might aswell get used to it as a regular button

cold sparrow
#

Hello, could someone tell me which consumables (food, phial, potion, temp weapon enchant, rune) assa uses in raid? Could not find it in the FAQ

trim zinc
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
trim zinc
#

theres it there

cold sparrow
#

Oh thank you!

balmy condor
rapid yacht
#

What to use spark of ingenuity on? Or is it too early to tell?

static glacier
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
novel arrow
#

@balmy condor good morning

balmy condor
#

Hi

unreal dagger
#

ello

#

i have my own crack build now, and i never done so high single target dps without it lmao

slim hamlet
#

hi

mighty lance
balmy condor
#

That’s how is handled in game

mighty lance
#

no, they stop showing as charged in the default UI once you gain a combo point after the buff fades - the charged frame just doesn't disappear until the UI updates

#

It's another bug >.>

balmy condor
#

I know, but they are still technically charged

mighty lance
#

No, they're not charged once the charge buff fades...

balmy condor
#

I’m informing you that they are

#

It’s been a bug all of shadowlands all of beta and it persisted into launch

#

Unless it got hotfixed in the last 3-4 days and was undocumented

#

The behavior should still work like that

novel arrow
#

oh @balmy condor I was devastated when I saw garrote now doesn't silence .

balmy condor
#

It does though

#

You just Talent into it

novel arrow
#

I mean yeah, if I talent into it!

wide flame
#

do you guys know when sin will be added to the overall simulationcraft rankings? trying to use it to gauge if i should rogue or dk

novel arrow
#

😦

unreal dagger
novel arrow
#

Did you do this Whispyr? When u were talking to the devs, did you do this to us?

balmy condor
loud light
#

don't use simcraft rankings to decide your class

balmy condor
#

But uh

#

Soon maybe?

wide flame
#

i mean it's not the deciding factor

#

simply a contribution

unreal dagger
#

nice santa hat whispyr, i love how its extremly compressed lol

balmy condor
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

Can look at what it’s simming here

wide flame
#

tyty

mighty lance
# balmy condor The behavior should still work like that

my god, you're right, the charge just doesn't seem to expire... so... the UI is actually glitched in the other direction ...? - it needs to preserve a charge that it doesn't have the data to show? How long can you just sandbag these buffless charged combo points then?

balmy condor
#

It usually doesn’t matter cause they expire and you just press ER again and the new charges have a timer and it’s fine

#

But if you just hit er and walk away

#

Those points will be there forever

mighty lance
#

we have 7 CPs now, ER doesn't charge all of them - it only charges 4 of the middle 5. So if you have one left over from the last round, it can be relevant to know the "skipped" one from the new round of ER is still charged

slim hamlet
#

we only have 6cp

mighty lance
#

oh, sorry, outlaw has 7

slim hamlet
#

outlaw!

mighty lance
#

relevant for the other spec

slim hamlet
#

get out

shy acorn
#

Lol

balmy condor
#

The only way you can abuse it is if you take reverberation which is doggers

royal lantern
mighty lance
#

Still means you can prepull ER on a critter

#

and have 4 animacharged CPs before a fight

royal lantern
#

why would you do that

#

ER does good dmg

mighty lance
#

You can still also have ER

#

I'm talking prepull, like 45 seconds or more early

narrow adder
balmy condor
mighty lance
#

just delay ER a few GCDs so you can make use of the bonus animacharged points, no?

balmy condor
#

Probably not honestly

#

ER damage is still good

slim hamlet
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I meaaaaan

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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Are we really talking about setting up to abuse a bug

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That will prob be fixed real quick

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"prob"

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quick TM

dense cedar
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all it would do is dump a bunch of random envenoms anyways

slim hamlet
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But you know

mighty lance
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If it's been in the game for like two major patches it's practically not a bug at this point

royal lantern
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subs play around a "bug" that probs gets fixed someday with CB sectec

balmy condor
royal lantern
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less bug, more really weird interaction

slim hamlet
balmy condor
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Bug been in the game for 2.5 years now

slim hamlet
balmy condor
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SURELY

slim hamlet
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where it came back?

balmy condor
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NOW they would fix it

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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Prettty sure I would get kicked in the balls if I set up a boxing bag to set up ER

royal lantern
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there are a few

slim hamlet
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before each pull

balmy condor
royal lantern
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oh

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yeha

mighty lance
royal lantern
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because nobody played ER ever

mighty lance
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rather than holding it

royal lantern
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best choice for a general capstone btw

balmy condor
royal lantern
slim hamlet
slim hamlet
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I leveled my rogue early in SL and ER made me reroll insta

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Was pvp'er

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I'm sorry

trim zinc
white pumice
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Did you guys lvl with the m+ build?

slim hamlet
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no

mighty lance
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But anyways, if you didn't want to abuse it, having the UI track the intended behavior would be good no? And if you did want to abuse it, having the UI track its actual behavior would be a useful reminder (since it's not like you have a buff)? The current UI state where the charged combo points are sticky until you do a builder/finisher is just wrong on all counts, reflecting neither reality nor intent

white pumice
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what did you use?

trim zinc
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i lvld with a random build with no capstones LMAO

slim hamlet
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Everything else doesn't matter

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Just a build with those and you got all you need

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PB is also nice

balmy condor
dawn kelp
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I feel filth doing back to back ruptures in the opener exs_uwu

balmy condor
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Then untalent exsang

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Easy fix

dawn kelp
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that’s not pro gamer tho

balmy condor
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It’s more damage monkaHMM

dawn kelp
trim zinc
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i think i used something like this, dont remeber it 100% tho

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slim wagon
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
white pumice
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cheers @trim zinc

balmy condor
trim zinc
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i know right;-;

slim hamlet
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Does bagnon just not work right now?

trim zinc
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i changed to it later, but i didnt start with it

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but like, leveling, doesnt matter i guess

gusty mirage
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
narrow adder
rain oyster
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When you get a phat 100k+ envenom crit Macky

mighty lance
haughty flicker
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And bank bags

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Base game bank is still atrocious

narrow adder
slim hamlet
narrow adder
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It's been usable for me the past few days.

slim hamlet
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Yea

narrow adder
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Did you update it today?

slim hamlet
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dont know

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just clicked update all

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so prob if there was

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But it is here in addons, but in options/interface it's jkust not here

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gone

narrow adder
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Probably worth to just move away from it. Once I figured out how to move the default bag I'll just leave it.

cursive sparrow
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So for simcraft, i saw some other specs already published

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but rogues still not published yet

rain oyster
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Sim self

cursive sparrow
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It's a good reference though. Just curious if it would update in the future

balmy condor
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It’s not really that good of a reference

rain oyster
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
rain oyster
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For rogue reference

balmy condor
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Or

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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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For assa

obtuse latch
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
oblique tangle
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Y'all

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