assassination

[celest helm]

it may help for why his damage is low. saying stats irrelevant is troll as fuck

[lavish lichen]

No asking someone their stats instead if a log to help them is troll asf

[celest helm]

it wont fix all his issues but its a starting point as well as a base question to see where he may be losing out on dps

do you log your m0s as a new player?

[spare bobcat]

I'm running the BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgkIJJxBClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSKBiQSERSSA from the faq. Honestly the rotation isn't that complicated compared to some other classes so IDK. Just frustrating I need to chill and take more time I'm sure. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kelthuzad/boolokka

[celest helm]

lol you are looking too far forward into things where hes struggling at the basics

[lavish lichen]

The basics is pressing the correct buttons

[celest helm]

sure buddy

[brazen zodiac]

eh

[burnt venture]

Sin looks bad right now because shit in packs gets deleted before you can get any dmg out. Also, bosses are in execute for VERY LITTLE amount of time atm.

[celest helm]

thanks! I looked over it and your stats dont look too bad at all and your talents definitely arent lost in the sauce either. What im guessing is lacking uptime on your bleeds as well as utilizing your IC to its best potential

[spice spire]

Brethren?

[burnt venture]

It’s going to look trash compared to most other specs atm

[brazen zodiac]

quake!

[tacit oar]

hey

does fuu gdoc sims takes in account recents exsang nerfs ?

[celest helm]

!whispyr

[burnt venture]

Yes it’s updated.

[spare bobcat]

Thanks. I imagine I'll have more useful data to offer up next week when I have some raid logs. Thanks for the help/suggestions.

[burnt venture]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[celest helm]

fuck i cant type today

[tacit oar]

Thanks man

[celest helm]

yeah man, feel free to DM me if you got questions im down to try to help

[burnt venture]

Sin looks bad right now because shit in packs gets deleted before you can get any dmg out. Also, bosses are in execute for VERY LITTLE amount of time atm.

That’s likely biggest issue man

[celest helm]

Sin doesnt look bad at all

iv been top damage in every m0 iv done so far lol

[burnt venture]

I mean… you’re right, but he shouldn’t be basing anything off M0’s right now

[celest helm]

agreed

[obtuse latch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[burnt venture]

You aren’t running with monk/dh/outlaw then are ya? Lol

[spice spire]

Howdy

[tacit oar]

another question : is it me or there is absolutely 0 daggers in m+ drop from season 1

[celest helm]

running with monk fury warrior mostly

[burnt venture]

Unless you run with people who just do dmg? I’m consistently like 10k higher overall right now as outlaw. Because of consistent dmg pattern and shit deletes

You are beating the WW as Sin?!

[spare bobcat]

This brings me comfort though

[celest helm]

their are daggers in RBP, HOV, SBG,

[tacit oar]

ah okay

nvm

just wasnt seeing daggers as loots since I was loot spec as outlaw

but that means outlaw can't loot daggers wth

[celest helm]

i shortened the names cuz lazy

outlaw shoudnt be able to loot daggers lol

[tacit oar]

daggers off hand is the optimal :')

[celest helm]

ew

outlaw rogues should never touch real rogue specs weps

[tacit oar]

kekw

was planning to assa in raid and outlaw in m+ so I must farm 4 weapons then

[rain oyster]

Sin will still be bad when shit doesn’t die in 2 secs in keys

[tacit oar]

[celest helm]

why not key as assa if you raid as it

[alpine latch]

3 - you can OH a dagger

[spice spire]

More complex

[tacit oar]

not my thing, rather play sub

[burnt venture]

Not bad. But the worst rogue spec likely

[spare bobcat]

As long as there are 45 seconds between pulls my ass rogue does great in M+

[celest helm]

Assas rogue will def be very good in keys

[spare bobcat]

TY for that blizz

[spice spire]

Some people really don’t enjoy the complexity (tabnstab gameplay) of assassination

[celest helm]

i like that, tabnstab is good wording for it

[spice spire]

[rain oyster]

By far the worst atm’s tuning. Dslice is almost the same as single target dmg lol

[flint gulch]

I liked Sin over the years for being consistent a simple ( since i aint a consistent person) is this no longer the case?

[rain oyster]

Still simple but if you talent a certain way, all of a sudden you have 15 buttons

It’s slow so you can make 15 buttons work tho

[spice spire]

Sims don’t always partake in reality.
Dungeon slice is a very good indicator for what your average could be; however; if you’re consistently chain pulling, number go up. If you’re pulling one at a time, number go down. So while dungeonslice is a good indicator, you wouldn’t take it as gospel here

[flint gulch]

I intended to go DtB build my CD timing aint the best so one CD less

[rain oyster]

If you’re chain pulling with an assass rogue

Numbers go way down

[spice spire]

????

[rain oyster]

You need to rest early between packs

[meager granite]

Anyone getting randomly out of stealth in brackenhide hollow for no reasons?

[rain oyster]

Your tank can’t chain pull

[spice spire]

No shot this argument is happening again 💀

[thorn crater]

wait what the fuck

[dusty zenith]

this is only until first boss dies

[thorn crater]

am i reading

lmao

[spice spire]

You lose a lot less than you think

Outlaw is hurt more, historically, than assassination. Opener sucks infinitely more, sure.

[meager granite]

yeah but why? and is there anyway to avoid that? cuz it sucks big time as assa

[spice spire]

But it usually ends in a moot point

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Bleed + disease there fucks

[flint gulch]

The biggest challenge i will have in this expac will that i will be me playing BDK alongside Rogue

[spice spire]

Yes man

[meager granite]

well i have no bleed and no poison

stilll getting me out

[celest helm]

if thats your biggest challenge then you are set

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

sadly cant do missives/emblishments yet

[topaz bluff]

its just a bug

[royal lantern]

or its max t4 with the proc

[rain oyster]

You get knocked out of stealth randomly without any dots too. Def bug

[spice spire]

Still. We take these

[topaz bluff]

its only in the gap between the bottom of the hill and first boss

[flint gulch]

I rarely played tank over the years that why it is one and games arent the main focus of my life anymore

[meager granite]

just happened

in front of treemouth

[topaz bluff]

just tap stealth before you get into combat, you can still get garrotes off with improved garrote

[late veldt]

What do you guys do when opening with garrote on a pack, prio to spread the garrote in the stealth window or spend CB to not overcap and miss a application of garrote?

CP*

[stark sequoia]

what’s up rogue guys 😎

[topaz bluff]

spread garrotes, cp come pretty easy with fok afterwards

[flint gulch]

so its time shoot some heretics in DT and pet my cat

[spare bobcat]

Oh I had a question actually...When exactly is the BEST time to refresh a bleed? Because the faq and even raidbots has people rupture -> echoing reprimand - > rupture. I would think the extra CP point rupture would override the original rupture... wasting points, but Clearly I'm not understanding something.

[tame slate]

Are you familiar with pandemic?

[topaz bluff]

pandemic the old garrote

[spare bobcat]

Last time I read about it, it was adding if <30% remaining, but maybe I"m confusing that with another term

So why apply the same dot 2 seconds after applying?

[misty holly]

That double rupture is mostly to get max value out of your follow-up Exanguinate.

If you don't have it talnted, or it's on cooldown, then prob a different spell is better there

[topaz bluff]

if you refresh a dot up to 30% of the original duration is added to the next application

[spare bobcat]

So the goal, only with exsanguinate, is to get a 130% duration rupture?

[misty holly]

Yes

Otherwise refresh when it's at 30% duration or less.

[tame slate]

Correct, you want a max pandemic, especially if you run exsang

[royal lantern]

@spice spire linked the dagger in gchat

the DH brain asked me "can you do glaives or swords?"

told him i can make fist weapons

"im not a monk wtf"

DH BRAINS

I CANT EVEN

[spice spire]

What brains

[tame slate]

What server are you on Tryan?

[spice spire]

I like dhs, Is yoke

[royal lantern]

kazzak

eu

[tame slate]

Ah bummer

[urban minnow]

Why does the faq mention dark iron dwarf but not regular dwarf? I thought dwarf was highest simming

[merry zenith]

yo, is it normal that without secondary optimazation I still sim much higher as Outlaw even on pure ST builds?

[misty holly]

Are Evokers even simpler to play than DH? I heard the class only uses like 4 buttons in its rotation.

[merry zenith]

I mean not that high but still I thought there will be difference more than 300dps

[spice spire]

Much higher? No

Higher, yes

Wait

You sim higher as outlaw?

Reading the question explains

[merry zenith]

I mean, its close

[spice spire]

Post sims rq if you can

[merry zenith]

if I had daggers bro

im just using raidbots and switching weapons, im full crit vers tho

[tame slate]

Oh I was about to say I think your problem is no daggers lol

[merry zenith]

but I wanted to do some preparation for raid, I wanted to play ass but I guess im on outlaw duty

[next arch]

outlaw ew

[merry zenith]

outlaw is fun but on m+, ive always liked ass in raids

[spice spire]

I mean you can post those with dagger swaps It’s mainly just to make sure nothing weird is afoot in your sims

[tame slate]

I mean you don't necessarily have to play OL

If you can get daggers at least

[merry zenith]

im doing it right now sir

outlaw is higher xD

also trinks are for outlaw

[spice spire]

Link

[merry zenith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xtwQwNiGuqrHRys6dhmJLn

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9663U9FGjsgEG77KUTbHkx

[spice spire]

Ty papi

[merry zenith]

should've used puzzle

[spice spire]

One sec

[merry zenith]

no hurry, we've got whole week till raid

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ktXA875dCUk1aAUbQRD5A3

6k more

with 372 daggers

[next arch]

Did whispyr have a little section on our crafted dagger somewhere or am i misremembering

[merry zenith]

im simming without enchants and with one gem tho

[next arch]

Like which embellishments etc

[limber lion]

damn you saw through me

[copper hazel]

in the faq luciel

[next arch]

Thanks, I was looking through wowhead, couldnt figure out where I saw it

[merry zenith]

oh, need to check how to manage crafted gear, thanks for reminder lol

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6QxPQicWqsDEsdPqbzSVNL

Here's without enchants, still a good chunk more.

600 dps in favor of Assa

[merry zenith]

aight, thank you

with some better stats that would be much higher

ass is better but need to get some more items

either way im planning on pushing so outlaw first

thanks!!

[merry cradle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w99bJ5QUWTdrNiG1UuYopy Is this with exsang nerf?

[next arch]

we put crit mast on dagger?

[tame slate]

If you want to get nitpicky I guess you could sim it. You can change secondary on recraft right?

[fading spade]

man yalls drop rates one week 1 were so nice. i only got 2 pieces from my m0 tour on week 1 im sittin at like 358 -.-

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[obtuse latch]

uh that seems insanely unlucky

[next arch]

Idk tbh, Im not entirely sure how this system works.

[spare bobcat]

You gotta get those leather world tour groups

[next arch]

we can recraft and add embellishments later right?

[fading spade]

it was super unfortunate. hence why i was commenting on others havin good luck. can i borrow some? 😄

[tame slate]

Embellishments I know you can change. I think you can change secondary stats too

[obtuse latch]

I think its less good luck and more just incredibly unlucky for you

[next arch]

Cool cool

[obtuse latch]

Why is the offhand in Whispyr's sims 450?

[fading spade]

indeed. but i feel it. this weeks my week goin 8/8 on drops lol

[obtuse latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cursive igloo]

i farmed alot of heroics

[spice spire]

Yes

[cursive igloo]

irc its because with embelishments they cant be maxed

[spice spire]

Ty cev, I’m struggling out here on mobile

[merry cradle]

ty

[astral star]

Those Slimy Expulsion Boots, are they any good for assa?

[chilly cosmos]

So, is DTB more viable now that KB build?

[spice spire]

I only see a 418 buddy
Where do you see 450?

[spice spire]

They’re both viable, DTB is showing sub 2% better

[deep sorrel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[chilly cosmos]

Better and easier rotation, i guess i'll leave kb build behind

[flint ridge]

is bushwackers compass better than irideus fragment?

[shut owl]

irideus real good for popping a meaty dot window

[obtuse latch]

under the embellishments

[spice spire]

This is the gear set I see?

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thin gate]

guys whats gonna be the way to go for pvp gear? can we just purchase conquest gear? is there any crafted or whats the "meta"

[rain oyster]

Peeeveeeepeeee

[obtuse latch]

huh when i exported it and put it into raidbots to mess around with it it changed for some reason

idk

[lusty widget]

I saw the stat breakdown on the FAQ - but is there a rough line we want to hit with crit/mastery/haste?

[tame slate]

You'll have to sim

It's super easy so no reason to not just Sim for upgrade

[spice spire]

No, stats will constantly fluctuate on priority based on where you land.
There’s no break point you aim for. Just sim gear

[celest helm]

honor to get honor gear. then do rated for conquest. same as always

[lusty widget]

thx - additionally for bronzed grip wrappings and fang adornments - why are those classified as for an off hand?

[spice spire]

Because a juicy 424 drops from the final boss

[lusty widget]

ahhh - bless

[obtuse latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f1ypCQiFMHcRc98yMpxbp5

I think i like to third option on the sim, not having to do any improved garrotes, no exsang, and the extra shadowstep for mobility/up time seems pretty juicy

[woven ruin]

At what ilvl does rares drop 376?

[barren lintel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=198451/lifeflame-ampoule?bonus=7935
is that any good?

[celest helm]

sim it and find out

[hollow phoenix]

Why is exsanguinate a 3 min cd now??

[barren lintel]

because its a broken thing

[celest helm]

^

[spice spire]

It was nerfed

It also ticks 80% instead of 100%

[hollow phoenix]

Maybe 45 sec was too much

But 3 min

[barren lintel]

and its still good

[hollow phoenix]

the talent is like useless now

[spice spire]

I saw where it was going sorry

No it is not

[celest helm]

wrong

[spice spire]

It’s still used on builds

Because it is that strong

Check FAQ and pins

[barren lintel]

i mean its not the defacto best talent anymore, but its still reaaaaally strong

[spice spire]

If you roll KB ST, you’ll still take it

[barren lintel]

is there anything other than empowered bleeds with max duration we can do to increase exsang effect?

[celest helm]

haste buffs

[barren lintel]

ahhh, since if our haste buffs would give us 2x the amount of ticks, all those extra ticks will also be generated?

[spice spire]

Yes

[barren lintel]

brooooooken

[spice spire]

If snapshots but atm, there’s no meaningful snapshotting available afaik

[cursive igloo]

see pins its not useless

[hollow phoenix]

Yeah i just finished reading

[royal lantern]

imagine reading

[spice spire]

I ain’t ever read a day in my life

I’m just a “check pins” “faq” bot

[inner temple]

mah brotha from anotha motha

[soft merlin]

What is strongest for ST atm? KB or DT?

[burnt venture]

!fuu

!whispyr

[next arch]

[spice spire]

https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

Moroes died

So me moroes rn

[burnt venture]

RiP moroes

I wondered wot happen lol

[soft merlin]

Ty

[spice spire]

Bots need a break too

[burnt venture]

[barren lintel]

which order would be best (not in the opener) for shiv, envenom, KB and deathmark?

[spice spire]

Always use shiv with KB

And idk man when you aren’t bleeding with your finishers, envenom

[barren lintel]

i mean, should it be
DM, shiv, kb
or DM, kb, shiv

[rich scaffold]

whats embellished?

[spice spire]

Crafted stuff. Important things. I’ll pull up a guide rq

[earnest imp]

had enough that daggers are not dropping and used daily matrix to get one crafted for me , 374 one

then i fly to obsidian shizzle place and get 2x daggers as reward

fml

[strange python]

Wait so you can't replace an embellishment once you put one on?

Cause bronzed grip wrappings says on it "for unembellished epic weapons"

[spice spire]

I think so

Not 100%

[strange python]

That's cringe then

Rip anyone who made a Fang adorned offhand

[spice spire]

No guide, tl;dr. Provides extra effects on things. It’s worth a look at when you have time

[vestal wren]

rip

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[vestal wren]

he not dead, just slow

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

He just like me

[teal bloom]

trying his best Sadge

[strange python]

I guess long-term it's not the biggest deal, I just don't like the idea that blizzard didn't really make it clear if embellishments would be replaceable or not

[vestal wren]

i am interested if anyone will go with head + dagger

the combo seems to be rly good on all 3 and not far behind neck + dagger

[strange python]

Head? It simmed kinda stinky for me unless you also had the fire ring but I could have done something wrong

[teal bloom]

does this work in sims?

[cobalt hemlock]

is there a reason my stealth is always canceling in brackehide hollow?

no dots no anything i stealth and it canceles in half a second

[rain oyster]

Bug

Super ass

[grave trail]

Do we know how to get the embelishment for the dagger?

[royal lantern]

hope

[strange python]

It's a raid drop

Fang adornments are already gettable, bronzed wrappings are from vault

Pray that blizz lets people remove embellishments during recrafting

[tame slate]

That's good to know. I was under the impression that you could overwrite the existing embellishment

[vestal wren]

the best one is not out before raid

the 2nd best is out, so you can get that if you want

moment ill link you both

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=396442/bronzed-grip-wrappings

is the best

[grave trail]

thank you fuu

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=377708/fang-adornments

is the 2nd best

it is still rly good, just not as good

[grave trail]

ok

[strange python]

So were most people

Omega cringe that you can't and I suspect people will bitch about it in two weeks when they realize

@vestal wren do we know how the echo works on wrappings? It's like windfury but with a chance to work on abilities too?

Ie: rupture could tick twice, not be applied twice

[vestal wren]

i am not entirely sure how it works or if the implementation is 100% perfect

iirc crafting gear was a bit of a pita to test on beta

[lucid nexus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

Cool. Super fun that blizz didn't let people test this more thoroughly since the crafting mats are limited 🙂

[vestal wren]

well if something is wrong we will know soon

[strange python]

I guess. I really hate not being able to remove an embellishment from an item though

It feels completely counter to the entire recrafting system

[vestal wren]

i honestly think the crafting system is too complex

and strict

[strange python]

And info isn't exactly super well communicated...

[vestal wren]

crafting orders are still something the majority don't do

and its mostly because it is not integrated well

and explained

[strange python]

Given that the message has been you can always recraft things, there's absolutely no public messaging around embellishments not being replaceable

[vestal wren]

also some things are stupid

e.g. i did point out earlier that you get a certain recipie from finsihin

and that one is soulbound, besides all others are not

[strange python]

I bet this time next week the forums will be flooded with people saying "I thought recrafting was about remaking things, I wasted my spark on the wrong embellishment thinking I could change it later wtf"

[vestal wren]

it is not well explained that you essentially need crafting/profession egar

etc.

the system just needs more iteration

to be more obvious and transparent

[rich scaffold]

how to get?

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193551/fang-adornments

the item link

basically need to see what you can get on your server

[rich scaffold]

So its basically you craft a dagger and add this thing in the process?

[vestal wren]

yes, its an establishment

[cerulean nest]

are these like recipe drops?

that anyone can get?

[next arch]

by how much?

[vestal wren]

0.3% iirc

or so

[clear rover]

are we still using exsanguinate?

[vestal wren]

not always

the highest simming single target build does not use it f.ex.

[ionic fox]

Where are the boys finding daggers? Blisterhide don't wanna drop same with Battlehorn

[spice spire]

Ripsaw? Have you killed him yet?

[brazen zodiac]

rares/hunts

[gusty mirage]

I'm not lmao

I crafted mine

[swift dagger]

Spark craft one I'd say is proably good move

[balmy heart]

Leatherworkers Specialized in Primordial Patterns - Beastial LW get it

[strange python]

No one else mad about not being able to replace embellishments 😦

[spice spire]

I have more important things to be angry about. I’m indifferent

Shitty, yes

[swift dagger]

Theres gnna be enough outrage about it to make Blizz change their minds

or not

[topaz bluff]

It's shitty, but it's also why I just been poking and asking for sims when fuu gets a time to work on them. I'm not crafting anything until the day before raid personally. I went lw/skinning and have hoarded around 94 knowledge~ish. Haven't spent a point though. I've learned my lesson over this junk in the past until at LEAST the raid week or perhaps a week/two into mythic raiding. Those are when most of the adjustments come before next patch cycle.

[sullen silo]

Hey, is it possible to make build with carnage and dtb which is viable in m+? I love both and hate kingsbane + exanquinate

[topaz bluff]

not enough points to talent both of those iirc

[spice spire]

Dtb mathematically cannot be taken with another capstone

So no by default

[sullen silo]

Oh okay, thank you much 🙂

Any build with carnage and no exanw nor kingsbane?

[spice spire]

There is

But mathematically it’s worse

Tho

For Exsang specifically you can swap it for like

Ttb

[sullen silo]

If its like 5% thats np

[spice spire]

To drop both?

[topaz bluff]

KB+IC isnt bad to play and feels pretty good from what I've poked around.

[sullen silo]

Yeah

[spice spire]

It’s much more

I did sbs + ic

And it was uh

Not good

[sullen silo]

What about dps loss with droping exanq and taking kingsbane

[topaz bluff]

KB feels solid to use on bosses, and of course IC for any aoe and just general openworld play. It combos nicely

[spice spire]

Maybe 1%?

Exsang isn’t as big anymore

[sullen silo]

Ah nice then

[spice spire]

I do agree tho

KB + IC is not a bad combo

I’ve been really enjoying it

[sullen silo]

Youre mostly syncing them?

[topaz bluff]

It's not overly complicated either if you're worried about that

[spice spire]

Kb and ic fill different roles

So you wouldn’t be syncing them outside of like

[topaz bluff]

IC you use for aoe from stealth, no reason to on a boss unless adds spawn

[spice spire]

You have to IC a boss fight with a ton of adds

[sullen silo]

Okay what about big aoe 6-8+ do i even use kB?

[spice spire]

If you have a prio target

Yeah why not

There are many branching decisions in m+

So it’s not a cut and dry rotation for us

There are rules we want to follow for sure , but nothing is set in stone forever amen.

[oak sky]

i would think you press kingsbane for the free damage even in mass aoe

[spice spire]

Probably

[oak sky]

just like vendetta in the past

you just wouldnt interact with it

[spice spire]

But would you do it if you’re 1m out from boss?

[oak sky]

less than 1m you mean?

idk

[spice spire]

Yeah

[sullen silo]

Okay, i mean its a Little bit weird to use single target cd in big aoe :p

[steel sorrel]

Hey all, do you know if I can make details to resett when I use vanish? O.o

[spice spire]

I mean he’s right, it’s free damage

[oak sky]

i typically just full send everything in m+ its pretty reliable

[spice spire]

Full send is a pretty good way to do it

[oak sky]

gotta see this seasons key timings though

[echo talon]

Hi i have a question, Deathmark increases current bleed dmg or future bleeds?

[spice spire]

Obviously not sending ic in pure st

But

Yeah

[oak sky]

but anyways think about it this way

[steel sorrel]

The bleeds you have on the target at the same time as the debuff

[oak sky]

if you have to think about when you send your cds, you will probably already have agood idea of when you need them

if you dont have to think about your cds, dont worry about it too much just use shit

[echo talon]

Ok so refresh bleeds then DM?

[steel sorrel]

Yes

[sullen silo]

So for new assa pve player, i was playing a looooot of pvp. You reccomend kB ic or dtb build for m+?

[steel sorrel]

IF you use Exang you press it before Deathmark, or else you shorten the deathmark aswell

[topaz bluff]

depending on your content/tank they will love you for the huge group silence/damage reduction as well, it feels pretty good to have that utility in places like Ulduar. Since you dont have poison bomb, and after you have bleeds spread might as well KB and funnel into a target (if you want). They majority of your damage is in place anyways.

[spice spire]

There’s no good blanket answer here. If you’re just learning the basics? DTB is probably easier?

If you’re needing a lot of aoe, with some burst or some funnel IC is good. If you just need some lower pulls in a weekly key. DTB may do you better

[sand sundial]

hey guys, best enchant to play m+ and raid? just got this beauty, should go double sophic?

[gusty mirage]

Sophic devotion

X2

[spice spire]

Just gonna have to use your nogin a bit and parse through it

[heavy vessel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sand sundial]

aright ty, fcking expensive in ah 100k LOL

[gusty mirage]

Just go with r2 the dif between r2 and r3 isn’t as crazy

[viscid spear]

If only someone could make it

[spice spire]

Elenakitten - mal’ganis place your orders now

[sullen silo]

I prefer builds with consistent dps instead of burst So thats probably dtb

[topaz bluff]

KB/IC can be strong with set comps as well as utility to cover in pugs if you got newbie tanks and a group that forgets they can kick.

[spice spire]

KB/IC also seems very strong for funnel as well

[viscid spear]

idk how

[spice spire]

They do. You open your tab and find work orders

[idle coyote]

Kevin

[deft vault]

how did you even get a primal infusion?

[keen sandal]

Thoughts on sin being king in raid?

[spice spire]

There’s more to life than single target

Also more to raid

[viscid spear]

The only Work Order I see is for Illusion: Primal Fire

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Why is that the only thing?

[subtle oyster]

RNG with the 402 weapons?

[gusty mirage]

25 renown with centaur/expedition gives you a primal infusion

so a lot of people are straight grinding dirt/hunts

for rep

[idle coyote]

DURT

[subtle oyster]

Interesting

[royal lantern]

would not say "alot"

and more" some peak degenerates"

[cursive igloo]

in faq it says 1 sophic for raid frost for aoe is ok to go 1 and 1

[gusty mirage]

can just do double sophic

they stack

for the first time in wow history

[cursive igloo]

you can its not that much of a difference

[atomic temple]

when do i use amplyfying poison/ instant poison?

im guessing amp for single target, instant for aoe?

[gusty mirage]

never instant

you'd use deadly for aoe

and amp if specced into it

essentially general guidline is amp (if specced into it) > deadly > instant > wound

[atomic temple]

ah

[gusty mirage]

but if you're playing dtb you just always run amp & deadly

[mint kindle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[south pollen]

hi i was wondering if garrote replaces the damage? for exemple if i used a stealth one and then want to refresh at 4 s with a normal one

[balmy condor]

Pandemic only transfers duration, damage is entirely the new dot

[steel sorrel]

You will get the bad one when you reaply

[south pollen]

thats what i thought thank you!

im guessing the double garrote in the opener guides is to extend it while im still in the stealth 3s window

[steel sorrel]

Yes

[sand sundial]

i got the primal infusion

renown 25 with the maruuks

[jaunty hamlet]

Did something happen with the Assassination sims from last night into today?

[dawn kelp]

Exanguate nerf

[jaunty hamlet]

Ah, okay.

[earnest imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[idle coyote]

@spice spire I have surprise 4 u

[spice spire]

?

[junior palm]

So, will it silence the second time as well? So I can garrote (silence and +20% dmg) -> SnD -> garrote (again silence and +20% dmg)? Does it work this way?

[south pollen]

it will yeah but the duration will be reduced as with any other cc

nvm i said it wrong it will just put the silence back to 6sec

[outer cairn]

dude trying to charge me 50k to recraft my dagger to rank 4, when its my materials. bro gtfo here with that bs. next week find someone who can do it for 10g

[idle coyote]

Nvm discord will not let me@post dog

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i mean, he payed gold to push to that level

[junior palm]

Oh wow, didn’t know that. Nice. Is it possible to squeeze in cheap shot into that? Garrote snd garrote cheap shot? I’m just trying to find the best way to pop out from stealth in pvp

[royal lantern]

if you dont like it, pay gold or lvl blacksmith yourself

[outer cairn]

ignored

[south pollen]

yeah you could you basically have 3 spell in that duration unless you get cc'Ed

[copper hazel]

capitalism is a bitch when it doesnt work in your favour huh

[outer cairn]

also blocked

[spice spire]

God bless him

[idle coyote]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Hope hes being a goof

Him too

[balmy condor]

HELLL YEAH

[spice spire]

God bless this channel has been blessed

[balmy condor]

Would have to gar cheap gar or gar gar cheap

[balmy condor]

Gar snd gar cheap is the 4th Second

[royal lantern]

doesnt level crafting himself, gets angry when people that Spend probably a high amount of gold into it want some gold for the effort

least entilted wow player

[copper hazel]

[viscid spear]

They're my daggers and I need them now!

Call JG Wentworth, 877-CASHNOW

[topaz bluff]

assassin and sub channels have people getting blocked left and right this evening

[spice spire]

Just like me (getting blocked)

[junior palm]

What would you select for pvp kingsbane or dtb?

[balmy condor]

Dtb

[topaz bluff]

kingsbane uptime I imagine is hard in pvp

[junior palm]

Consistent damage and utility from non lethal?

[earnest imp]

I just crafted my LW shoulders, does this crafting minmax thing really even matter?

[smoky phoenix]

What il are people starting m0's at?

[topaz bluff]

I see a warning KB been used peels and cc are coming out pretty hard and kiting is in swing.

[viscid spear]

I was doing fine at around 345

[red tinsel]

Does anyone with DTB poisons fall off every instance change?

[junior palm]

I’m new to the game and spamming bgs. 1 minute kingsbane cd is fine I guess, considering you have to run back and forth

[red tinsel]

Exsang is the hard one now for PvP ;-;

Always catch me off guard before I get used to the 3m cd

[junior palm]

3 minutes T_T

[topaz bluff]

BGs i suppose anything goes. KB window is hard to keep uptime though in organized pvp

[junior palm]

And 80% instead of 100. Is it still good ?

[topaz bluff]

could just go IC and top the BG meters though if is yolo queues :3

[viral python]

i will use the m+ build with kingsbane and IC. is it trolling not to take thistle tea? i dont like it

[cursive igloo]

you get one insight every 2 weeks for the first 5 then its just RNG to get them after that

[earnest imp]

So as the neck and dagger are our bis, and its gonna take a while to craft them at a decent level

guess it doesnt matter much

[cursive igloo]

i think its a bug cause every loading screen i have to reapply

[cursive igloo]

you can craft them lower and make them higher as you go

[gusty mirage]

^

recrafting makes it a no brainer

you can replace stats & embellishment with the recraft option

and the infusion

for higher ilvl

[cursive igloo]

yep

[topaz bluff]

not embellishment

😦

[ionic fox]

Wait you can recraft a piece already made?

for the upgrade?

[topaz bluff]

well with a recraft sorry

[cursive igloo]

Yes

so you can get a low one now and work your way to recraft it higher

cause its really hard to get the mastery 5 atm not impossible but more odds you'll get 3 or 4 for quick and easy

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[red tinsel]

What is the haste you guys use? I have currently 9% but feeling it's a bit too low

[oak sky]

rn just whatever gear we have

make sure to use sims later on to see gear upgrades though

sim should tell you how much haste you need

[rain oyster]

whats the best embelishment? the echo one?

[red tinsel]

Pawns and Raidbots, right?

[topaz bluff]

until raid/m+ I'm just puttin' on the purps

[red tinsel]

I need to get reacquainted with Sims

[balmy condor]

Never use pawn

[topaz bluff]

prolly cowl+ring+wraps

[rain oyster]

ty

[balmy condor]

Stat weights and pawn are giga dogshit

[rain oyster]

whisper god

[brazen zodiac]

giga!

[red tinsel]

What do you use i?

[balmy condor]

Just top gear sim

Or droptimizer

Direct item comparison sims

[red tinsel]

So you don't get your string from an addon?

I used pawn mostly to generate the string

[balmy condor]

There is no string

You don’t use strings

No pawn

[cursive igloo]

dagger neck

[balmy condor]

Pawn even with custom strings is just adding up stat values

It’s always going to be inaccurate

Because it doesn’t compare two items

It just estimates the value of the stats

It’s just flawed through and through

If you’re running a stat weight sim, take the time to run a top gear instead

[topaz bluff]

yep by .1% lol

[cursive igloo]

some people are min maxers

[topaz bluff]

cowl+wrap+ring is bis for outlaw/sub and .1% away for ass; if you ever play the other specs might consider the .1% loss lol

[balmy condor]

Well it’s more than that, echo is already 0.3% over fang, and then the next best would be toxic boots, which is a full 0.8% worse than the neck

So you’re over a 1% loss

[topaz bluff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aDuMNP5UQAxpzRerMC84RU is what fuu linked earlier

not saying anyone is wrong; that's just what i was going off of after he updated it

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I’m not about that

:)

[cursive igloo]

if you ever wanted to play the other specs gotta weigh stats differently anyways on top of weapons

[balmy condor]

My embellishment profiles are above 2% from their base profiles

So I’m a little skeptical

That 2 embellishments worth more than 1% individually

Are worth less than 2% together

Also that sim is still a full 1k behind my embellished profile

So idk

Seems a little weird

[topaz bluff]

what do you get with the cowl+ring+neck combo?

if you dont mind me asking

[balmy condor]

Cowl is 0dps

Unless it got implemented between yesterday night and this morning and I missed it

[topaz bluff]

yeah; it is the interaction with the ring. the cowl showed a dps loss for assassination without it too lol

apparently the fire ring that applies the dots can proc from the cowl aura currently

[balmy condor]

Lemme check again

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[rain oyster]

whats the poor man's wep enchant?

[balmy condor]

Frozen probably

[rain oyster]

ty sir

[slim hamlet]

There are also just lesser versions of sophic

Not in tier, but actual other enchants

[balmy condor]

Yeah this is a weird interaction

[topaz bluff]

yee

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t proc off grieftorch

But it does off the ring

Even though they both do fire damage

Nice game

[rain oyster]

ohh shit. still 10k vs 19k for lowest tho.. we talking real poor mans encch xd

[topaz bluff]

dunno if intended or not; apparently it works with all DH fire/chaos damage too (the ring), maybe the auras are coded similar?

[balmy condor]

Yeah no clue

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit theyre still that expensive?

[balmy condor]

But I’ll have to look into that

[rain oyster]

paid 3.5k each for 2 frozen writ

[topaz bluff]

just curious, but did it show close to the neck/wraps for you on your initial look, or were you just checking for procs?

[balmy condor]

I was just checking the interaction

[topaz bluff]

could also be why the cowl appeared such crap and a -dps loss if they intended it to be used with the ring this tier? That's a lot of faith in blizzard foresight though

[sand sundial]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s what I’m a little sus about

Simming all the shit is already a nightmare with the raw amount of nonsense with 25 talent builds and then 15 embellished items

Bosses dropping ilvl but also high

Like

There’s a fuck ton of combos

I can’t keep track of them

It’s crazy if blizzard thought this through entirely and was like “yeah this is the interaction we want”

[earnest imp]

Im doing some very raw math atm with the crafted gear

They do not seem to be far from each other

Even the embelished master over 90% hp is pretty close to the dagger embelishment

[idle coyote]

@balmy condor guild says, why play rogue when DH, thoughts?

[balmy condor]

Thoughts are guilds full of clowns

[earnest imp]

Huge pile of whatever really with some of these minmaxes

[balmy condor]

Find a new guild

[hollow dirge]

Amazing. Leave them😂

[idle coyote]

I try Sadge

[balmy condor]

Also looks like maybe signet got hotfixed nerfed or something, idk now my numbers are weird again

Love it

I waited to make a sheet so I could avoid all the random hotfix numbers

And now 12 hours later I have to recheck everything

Oh well

At least I’ll have something to do at work

[idle coyote]

New WQ, find raid spot before next weekend

[topaz bluff]

😦

[remote oak]

Is the tooltip just fucked or does Sophic devotion give the same amount of stat regardless of quality

[dark token]

Trusting tooltip

You should know better playing sin rogue

[remote oak]

If I trusted the tooltip I wouldn't be asking

[balmy condor]

Tooltip fucked

[lyric cypress]

whats the first thing ya'll crafting with primal chaos?

[balmy condor]

Probably a dagger but I’m waiting till we get raid recipes and stuff

[frozen iris]

primal storms havent started have they?

[stable apex]

Not yet

[frozen iris]

havent gotten any concrete info but it doesnt say they start next seasone ither

[gentle roost]

do we have sims with the ring from raid and the leather head

[velvet haven]

so i've been looking through past chat to try and see which effect we want from primal ritual shell and I keep seeing ppl just say sim top gear as if that tells you which effect to take?

[balmy condor]

The one that gives crit or mast or whatever idk

[topaz bluff]

whispyr is looking into that give him some time, a bit of stuff changed on him he'll have to go back and review a lot of stuff poor soul

[tranquil birch]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[gentle roost]

had no idea thank you for the info!

[velvet haven]

ty king

[balmy condor]

Yeah neither did I

[gentle roost]

Spain (without the S)

[balmy condor]

Items proccing off of other items

Super cool

Kill me

[gentle roost]

i get the whole

thats probably not intended vibe

[balmy condor]

I mean have you seen the item levels from the raid and the very rare items that just randomly are super higher

The item department went insane

I don’t put it past them

[nimble garnet]

guys, pvp question, is the crafter hood (!1% dmg for 5 secs) better/worse than the boots(5% increased reduced cc)

[teal bloom]

#pvp would know better, this is pve channel

[urban minnow]

In the faq dark iron dwarves are mentioned but not regular dwarves, are dark iron dwarves better ?

[balmy condor]

They can be for sync/burst purposes

All the races are close

Super irrelevant

[gentle roost]

also how does the opener change from what is listed in faq

[odd heath]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cursive igloo]

tooltip

[cursive igloo]

yes but its so low of a difference any race can play just as well

[white temple]

Go the real race, Tauren

[leaden wasp]

just started playing the game and i have a lvl 47 rogue, i have no clue what to keybind where or how to play the class, please help lol

[balmy condor]

wowhead guide has a starter/overview page to get you up to speed on the basics

[balmy condor]

without SS, there's no double garrote, and without exsang there's a couple changes as well. I have the new openers written out, just waiting for the graphics to get back to me

[outer cairn]

For DtB, my sim showed gar>sbs>snd>build>rupture>dm>shiv>er>envenom>mut/envenom spam and then I also assume once garrote reaches pandemic range, vanish and refresh

[balmy condor]

yeah

Garrote - Bone Spike - Slice and Dice - Mut - Mut^1 - Rupture - Deathmark (potion+trinket here) - shiv (tea image here) - echoing reprimand - envenom ->

that's the opener for DTB now without exsang and ss

the Mut^1 is an ambush if you get a blindside proc obv

but I have to change the rest of the openers too

it's on my list

[teal bloom]

Is the echoing reprimand so late to get as many 7cp envenoms in the shiv window as possible? Could echoing reprimand after snd to get 7cp rupture

[outer cairn]

don't think you need it cause not using exsang

[teal bloom]

You don't need it but you could get echoing reprimand on cd earlier and to press deathmark 1 gcd earlier

But maybe the animacharged combo points are better used on envenom

[outer cairn]

think that's the case

[elfin valley]

What professions have yall been going? lately ive just been mining and have engi but not sure if i wanna keep it

[tame slate]

My Rogue is Alch/Engineering, but I also have alts I am working on as well

[elfin valley]

i havent decided what i want for an alt, i initially didnt plan to keep mining but ive been enjoying it but cant decide if i actually want engi. In prev exp i was also alch/eng but since u dont need to be engi to use brez im just not sure if i wanna be it this time around or not

[topaz bluff]

skin/lw; just waiting on sims to finalize and buff/nerf/bug fixes etc to hit opening raid week before I pick a specialty lol

[smoky phoenix]

wtf, i just got 3 natural drops from a M0? Thought it was limited to 1 gaurenteed and MAYBE 2 rarely

[balmy condor]

m0 is 20% chance per boss

personal loot

just like always

[smoky phoenix]

Oh it's a % based?

[balmy condor]

yes

[smoky phoenix]

I never knew that actually.

This is my first xpac, came from ffxiv, so i might ask some stupid questions

[balmy condor]

that's how personal loot raids worked as well

but it's changing to group loot

[smoky phoenix]

Oh interesting. someone told me at least 1 piece was gaurenteed, is that a lie then?

[balmy condor]

just a weird m0 thing

[balmy condor]

might seem that way statistically speaking, but there's no built in guarantee

if a dungeon has 5 bosses, and each has a 20% chance, you're more than likely getting a piece

[drifting cloud]

I got 0 loot out of 6 drops from a dungeon last week

[balmy condor]

but there's nothing that goes "hey you didn't get loot, you're going to get loot NOW"

[drifting cloud]

highrolling lowrolls

[smoky phoenix]

Okay so not 100% then to get at least 1

Gotcha , ty so much for answering questions quuikly

[cursive igloo]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[smoky phoenix]

I appreciate it

[balmy condor]

pleasure

[outer lodge]

Would you vanish, mut, envenom after that?

[crisp shard]

I actually think they did build in a guarantee in m0 didnt they?

20% for every player but there will always be at least 1 drop if you are 5 ppl

[balmy condor]

well yeah

but that's not for each person

[balmy condor]

you vanish for garrote when the first is in pandemic

[outer lodge]

ty

[smoky phoenix]

Also, whisp

What would you reccomend using the first spark on? i tried looking at the faw but didnt find anything

[balmy condor]

probably a dagger next week or the week after

but I have to sim cowl + diurna ring again

[strange python]

@balmy condor do we force rupture at the end of deathmark to get a longer double? Or do the doubles drop with deathmark ending?

[smoky phoenix]

Does dagger take 2 sparks?

[balmy condor]

because items are proccing items

very cool

[balmy condor]

1 but why would you craft now

you would just recraft it in like 3 days

seems giga shit

[smoky phoenix]

I dont know honestly. why wouldn't i craft now?

Why would we re-craft?

[balmy condor]

they drop off

[teal bloom]

Do you need relevant materials to recraft? Or just something you can buy from auction house

[balmy condor]

because you craft a 380 dagger now and then m+ opens on tuesday and you can just farm a 410 in a day

[smoky phoenix]

ohhhh true true

That's right, because m+ isn't restricted to lockouts

[gleaming eagle]

anyone else get weird spike lag everytime you initiate with assa?

[strange python]

But you can't change embellishments even though that makes intuitive sense, because blizzard didn't tell us anything (:

[iron escarp]

Hi guys are we estimating high on dmg meters in new raid or not really??

[balmy condor]

probably not when adds exist

[iron escarp]

Aye…. Havoc/outlaw top deeps??

[drifting cloud]

sure if you put value in whoever aoes stuff down first

[cursive igloo]

how dare they make adds

[iron escarp]

Lol silly I know as for progress much more matters. But looking good on meters is fun for my brother that wants to play a little more casually

[pulsar fog]

re-crafting costs artisans mettle and a fraction of the general/common mats required initially

[cursive igloo]

I mean unless you're playing with sweats its not that hard if you learn the classes/spec

[iron escarp]

True some classes/specs shine though

[pulsar fog]

in most fights, even with adds, prio damage is valuable

so even if you don't blow up the meters you're still good

[cursive igloo]

mmmhmmm

[iron escarp]

Agreed, talking specifically for output though

[echo heath]

i got a 379 seasoned hunters trophy, and maybe i just dont understand the language but it sims higher than my 372 bushwhackers compass

the pet language confuses me though

[teal bloom]

I think you get mastery if you have 0 pets

[echo heath]

oh i see, interesting

[outer cairn]

well would you look at that. i use my spark to get a dagger made and i've had two 379 daggers drop today. womp womp

[celest ruin]

is there any fight in the raid that has like mass squishy mobs like rygelon quasars where we could abuse mfd?

[balmy condor]

there's a couple but MFD is very bad currently

would have to REALLY

[celest ruin]

thank god im tired of spamming the mfd macro

[balmy condor]

yeah you'd have to overcome like a solid 1.5% or something

it's a pretty big gap

lot of MFD cranking required to make it even come close to break even

[novel arrow]

!spreadsheet

is that not the command? oops?

[balmy condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

there's 2 spreadsheet

one of them is the general spec comparison that fuu has

and then mine is sin only

[nova zenith]

Does Ambush/Mutilate addon macro only work with assassination/blindside? Would it work with sinister strike for outlaw audacity procs for example?

[novel arrow]

Sorry where is the 2nd one?

[balmy condor]

it's even jankier on outlaw

so

[novel arrow]

I'm linking this to guild

[balmy condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[balmy condor]

is the other

[novel arrow]

❤️

[sterile edge]

How is assa aoe? I’m thinking of trying it

[pulsar fog]

it's decent, but the other 2 specs are better

[tame slate]

Assassin AoE is there, but it's not as "free" as the other 2 specs

[steel wind]

outlaw kinda pumps 100% of the time where assa and sub are more bursty

[dark token]

if you pump 100% of the time, you pump 0% of the time

[haughty nebula]

I took a look at the pins, is exsang still doing almost 2% better on single target?

[gusty mirage]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

https://tenor.com/wMk1.gif

[gusty mirage]

check the new sheet my friend

[pulsar fog]

General rule is, if you play KB on ST, you take exsang. Otherwise avoid it

[idle coyote]

Poison bomb is cringe and I hate it

[haughty nebula]

This may be a stupid question, but what is "embellished" on the sheet?

[gusty mirage]

when crafting gear you can add embellishments

they add unique effects to the item

like my dagger for example has the fangs embellishment

there's a bunch of them

but only a few are even relevant for damage

[haughty nebula]

I see, makes sense, so Dragon Tempered is looking slightly better atm then it looks like

[gusty mirage]

[idle coyote]

[dark token]

that enchant is like 50k wtf

[gusty mirage]

no its not

that enchant was 20k

[pulsar fog]

Depends on server

[gusty mirage]

also why does it matter if its 50k

you poor bro?

[dark token]

no just a waste

[idle coyote]

Yeah

I am

[gusty mirage]

how is it a waste

[dark token]

0 content to use it on atm

they will drop in a bit

[gusty mirage]

vs what?

[dark token]

pay 50k today, 5k next week

[gusty mirage]

you don't think the price is going to sky rocket when raid releases?

and all the raiders rush to enchant their shit?

[dark token]

no since m+ will flood the market with purples

[gusty mirage]

you think the purple shards are the expensive part of sophic?

you don't think its the titan orbs?

or the awakened orders?

[dark token]

dont even know what tf a titan orb is

[gusty mirage]

you think the resonant crystals are the hold back on that?

lmao

[dark token]

either way you can prob enchant on sunday or something

and still save 50%

[spice spire]

0 shot

[gusty mirage]

I also like pulling numbers out of my ass

thanks for your 2 cents bro

[spice spire]

What’s the rush today?

[dark token]

thats just how its worked in previous expacs

[gusty mirage]

yeah because crafting works the same as it has in previous expacs

right?

[haughty nebula]

why fang instead of wraps? just availability?

[dark token]

enchanting isnt significantly different at all

lmao

[gusty mirage]

ye and you can swap embellishments freely with recrafting

[dark token]

quality of enchant is only diff which relies on crafters getting knowledge

which more get over time

[gusty mirage]

bro

you're the one who decided to come at me for my weapon enchant

[haughty nebula]

@gusty mirage you planning to play mostly dragon tempered with the way the tree is looking for raid? the build without exsang

[tame slate]

That's still an assumption though

If oxi or anyone else can pay for the enchant, then that's fine. We don't know exactly what the prices will be on raid release

[gusty mirage]

I might still run KB/IC in keys, it's a ton of fun

sacrifice a bit of overall

for that 8 silence garrote w/ IC

[dark token]

fair enough

its a big discussion over nothing

i was just surprised you had enchanted it already

[gusty mirage]

I should've spent 250k on the sophic 3

just because

[idle coyote]

[haughty nebula]

oh for sure, that is fun in keys, but dragon tempered most likely for raid if things stay the way they are

[tame slate]

I'm broke, so I will not be paying 250k lol

[gusty mirage]

yea

I spent the last 2 weeks getting the muscle memory in for KB w/ Exsang

looks like its back to the dummies

[dark token]

dont you still take it in raid ST

with kb build

[gusty mirage]

yea

but DTB = less chance of bricking DM cause you brainfart

which I've done like a dozen times

[haughty nebula]

well with dragon tempered doing better overall, even if marginally better, it requires no thought so it is more consistent

[gusty mirage]

me in call with the boys: DM -> Exsang "FUCK"

[analog ivy]

i had a question. im running seal fate because i like what it does for my fan and just general attacks.
im not saying it is bis but it feels bis for my style.
i was gonna not take deeper stratagem bc i liked the rotation with 5 not 6
should i take it with seal since ill be ramping combo points so fast?

[gusty mirage]

ye you'll always want seal fate

[analog ivy]

what about deeper strat

[outer lodge]

@gusty mirage that muscle memory will be worth when we press xsang every 3rd minute

[gusty mirage]

I would recommend just getting used to deeper strata

[analog ivy]

thats all i wanted to know honestly

thanks nice to meet ya

[balmy condor]

not taking deeper is uh

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

not good

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

yeah honestly prefer running DTB if both builds are even, just for more chill gameplay

i still enjoy kb tho if its good

like for execute on a fight or something

[haughty nebula]

kind of blows I got all that muscle memory with exsang/KB if it is not going to be taken as often (at least for now)

[balmy condor]

I'm not really sure there's a bunch of muscle memory there

it's a button you hit every minute

and pre-nerf exsang was just ER follow up

so

you're still doing the same rotation

[haughty nebula]

True true

[spice spire]

I like the lights whisp

[balmy condor]

thanks

I like your balls in my mouth

[idle coyote]

Ok

But who asked

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I tried simming max level crafted daggie

and uh

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[gusty mirage]

in case anyone's wondering a 450 ilvl dagger is a lot of dps

[spice spire]

I don’t believe you

[gusty mirage]

good

[dark token]

how come this is so high ilvl

i thought they capped 418

crafted gear

[pulsar fog]

They have

[balmy condor]

the fuck you do

link sim

[balmy condor]

he custom simmed it and fucked the ilvl

[gusty mirage]

I threw it in the garbage

[balmy condor]

nice

me too man

[gusty mirage]

I copied the input from the top gear sim in your spreadsheet and fucked something up

because I'm stupid

[balmy condor]

nice nice

[grizzled jay]

someone throw me in the garbage

[haughty nebula]

It looks so funny to have so many poisons with DTB

I kind of like the poison archetype more than the bleeds

@balmy condor I greatly appreciate the hard work on the sims and the time you put into everything

@gusty mirage Also, thank you for your help as well!

[balmy condor]

np

[gentle roost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hasty vale]

Hey just to be clear we use Exsanguinate THEN deathmark right?

[haughty nebula]

That is how I understand it, yes

never DM then exsang

[hasty vale]

Looks like Dragon tempered though is pulling ahead build wise?

If im reading this right

[haughty nebula]

yep, looks that way for now, till they tweak something

its easier to play as it is more passive

[small meteor]

i assume dtb pulls ahead in longer fights and higher content, but for pumping m0's where the boss dies -2mins, KB and exang synched burst seem better? could be mistaken

altho there is only like a week left of pumping m0s before the real shit begins so irrelevant i guess

[cursive igloo]

its also not that huge of a diff

so its not like detrimental

[haughty nebula]

its just that DTB is more passive, less opportunities to mess up the rotation or exsang,

[cursive igloo]

yep

where KB has a burst window and bigger burst every 3 mins with execute

[haughty nebula]

Do you think it is worth it to make Primal Molten Shortblade, or will it just get replaced too quickly

[simple ore]

crafted embellished dagger is bis offhand for whispyr's sims

so it'll last

[haughty nebula]

gotcha, just trying to figure out how to get all the mats aha

[heavy gull]

What poison is BiS for Sin M+ Deadly or Insta?

[balmy condor]

faq has a section explaining it

[heavy gull]

@balmy condor thanks dad ❤️