assassination

[strange python]

they're provided by the item itself

[slim hamlet]

You need like 1 of each for a recraft

besides limited items

[strange python]

so it's big cheap

later on when you want to make it at a higher ilvl, add that component to a recraft and bam we gucci

it's actually kinda a genius idea from the devs

don't tell em I said that

but big 5head

[next edge]

Yeah the hard part is decide which one you craft

[strange python]

well you don't lose much is what I'm saying

[next edge]

I love new profs

they feel way more relevant

[strange python]

so if you shoot for a dagger, it's just never going to be bad

[slim hamlet]

I love being a crafter

[strange python]

later on you get some boots, and a neck or w/e

and yay off to the races we go

[slim hamlet]

Even gathering, prob most because of dragonriding

but I can go like 4 hours of gathering

[next edge]

So you could take an Embell from a dagger

[slim hamlet]

And it feels like 30 mins

[next edge]

and put it on boots

right

[strange python]

how good IS the boot proc?

[next edge]

The snow set seem super strong

I think we dont have solid sims yet but it seems qutie good

we dont know how strongh the raid sets are

[balmy condor]

this snow set

?

[trim zinc]

dont we? isnt the sims with full gear

like that doesnt make sense lol

[strange python]

the neck thing is always going to be good

[spice spire]

This mf bricked up just waiting to show faq stuff

[next edge]

Yeah

thought it was way higher

[strange python]

per item

[cunning dust]

pvers

have u tested frozen devotion?

[strange python]

what are we testing it for?

it works

if that's what you mean?

[slim hamlet]

wtf does this mean btw

[cunning dust]

procs

and total damage in a min

[next edge]

Thats added to..?

[slim hamlet]

Anything embellish

weapon fx

[balmy condor]

that's the weapon embellish yeah

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but what does "cause a ripple in time" do

[strange python]

thats the "magic multistrike" one yeah?

[slim hamlet]

smh my head blizzard not just writing what it does

[next edge]

Prolly dagger is the safest craft alongside boths with the toxic thing

[strange python]

the only thing that worries me about boots is you'll craft em and bam, set boots

[balmy condor]

proc damage

[slim hamlet]

Pog damage

[strange python]

they should just give us multistrike back

kek

[balmy condor]

completely uncontrollable random damage procs

like all the other ones too

xD

[strange python]

Hey, how many of you run with multiple rogues in raid?

how's it gona feel to see an agi dagger drop? "oh... I wonder who gets this?"

https://tenor.com/view/dog-pet-for-me-turn-gif-8133750

[slim hamlet]

Not us, only agi dagger gamer 😩

[next edge]

Tbh

Dagger truly seems the most worthwhile craft

and most likely you can't go wrong with it

[slim hamlet]

Might not craft weapon only for that reason

[strange python]

it literally won't get in the WAY having a dagger crafted

[slim hamlet]

No but might aswell have neck

[strange python]

neck is the one that makes me question life yeah

[slim hamlet]

Where there is 19 other peopler

Instead of weapon where im the sole one

[strange python]

and that proc is pretty giga

for like every build

ever spec

[next edge]

Cant you just have both

[strange python]

in time

[slim hamlet]

Unluckily recipe is random drop from primal storms

so omega low chance you can get it before first raid

[strange python]

ah

true that

[next edge]

Wrathion neck is a good placeholder

[strange python]

fugit, Ima get a crafted dagger I think

[next edge]

also

the "bis"

would be double dagger from the latest bosses

Diurna

[strange python]

if I can avoid using OL by just subbing in Sub for dungeons - I'll just be dagger stab stab boi

[strange python]

and I can just not ask the raid group for all the demon hunters 1 handers

[slim hamlet]

I'm currently rocking this piece of dogshit

[strange python]

I'm pretty sure that's a mystic's slime, not dog shit

[slim hamlet]

Dogshit

[strange python]

unless that mystic was a worgen with IBS

[slim hamlet]

Shit from a dog

Also it's 3 AM on a school night

gn xd

[strange python]

peace bruv

[next edge]

Im the only rogue in raid

So all dagger for me

Still, they ahve no proc

[strange python]

lol EON spoiled us

DAGGAH PROC OR WE RIOT!

[cerulean nest]

what's everyone's crafting plans as of now (I've read the faq just seeing how long people are waiting etc.)

[next edge]

I'll probably do dagger->neck

[topaz bluff]

Depends @balmy condor do we have toxic patch+boots yet, or cowl in sims?

[balmy condor]

we do not

but toxic patch takes 2 slots doesn't it

you double the effect at the cost of a second embellish?

[next edge]

ye

its like a set

[balmy condor]

yeh so dogshit then

2x 0.8% is not better than 1% + 0.8%

[strange python]

look, I'm just happy you used than and not then

[balmy condor]

I'd rather use than first before then, then I can say I compared then and than rather than looking stupid and then saying then when I should've said than

ya know

[strange python]

Thing is... I do in fact, know

[balmy condor]

nice

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/agree-gif-21806821

[royal lantern]

mathz

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

omg peepomath

[topaz bluff]

So it's 1.8% vs 1.6% correct? I'll likely wait for cowl and see how that does. I doubt the .2% difference means much for 99% of the player base.

[balmy condor]

oh it won't

none of these embellishes do

if you have 10 ilvl lower boots that 0.2% is gone instantly

This is just sweaty math for losers with nothing better to worry about

[next edge]

Jsut recraft to higher 4head

[strange python]

but some people stay awake at night thinking "but if I have the dagger proc, then that sorts 2 specs, AND my outlaw offhand... and then... the neck, I mean..."

I'm adhd asf, min maxing is a stim

[royal lantern]

and those people always get curve 3weeks before the patch is over, and then tell you how ITS IMPORTANT

[strange python]

that's awkwardly almost always true

[topaz bluff]

I might do cowl+boots just to see more flashy numbers across the screen in M+ /shrug

[strange python]

inc set boots drop

are there set boots? I don't even know tbh

would be awks though

[topaz bluff]

No, not since t3

[strange python]

inc set head drop

I see your trump card, and I raise you another

this changes nothing but I did it anyway

[vast shoal]

is their a way to macro blindside in to mut/ ambush so it uses Ambush as default if blindside procs with GSE macro ?

[gray hazel]

Are you guys going to make that neck for crafted? or wait for that other item on the list?

[strange python]

neg, need another bind for ambush

[vast shoal]

ok thanks.

[lofty bluff]

your display picture scares me

[topaz bluff]

Probably not. I went LW so some combo of those pieces is probably on my table. I haven't been grinding this knowledge for no damn reason. >.<

[strange python]

Why thank you, I crafted it myself. I will admit, it was very strange seeing this man during cut scenes in Nioh2, but worth, so very worth.

[gray hazel]

ahh

i have no idea what to do for crafting

guild reqs one, but we raid on friday so i might just wait for parses to come through lol

[vast shoal]

i just went for ach trinket

[gray hazel]

what one is that?

[vast shoal]

vers one

[topaz bluff]

As wysper has pointed out there is about a .3% damage spread between your choices lol

[strange python]

that doesn't use your spark though right?

[gleaming eagle]

is dragon tempered blade bugged ? i can only use 1 non lethal poison lol

[cerulean nest]

did I fuck up using my spark for crafted gloves lmao

[vast shoal]

sure does use spark

[strange python]

oh, didn't think it did

trinkets are weird

[topaz bluff]

You can use two, what combo are you trying to use?

[vast shoal]

seems to be working for me

[balmy condor]

He’s asking about 2 non-lethal

Not 2 lethal

[vast shoal]

ye can have 4 all up working fine

[topaz bluff]

Cripple+whichever you talent for non-lethal. Some mobs might immune cripple though if it's an application to the mob and not application to the weapon.

[gleaming eagle]

2 non lethal for crippling and numbing the lethal poison works

or wound poison and crippling

[balmy condor]

Wound is a lethal

[strange python]

I was gona say

the fuck update did I miss?

that would be HUGE

[gleaming eagle]

ah ok

[topaz bluff]

Wound is useless in pve from my experience, very very bad.

[strange python]

but it does damage

another damage proc, good

[balmy condor]

It was good for 1 mini boss in a seasonal affix

[topaz bluff]

Less than instant

[strange python]

true that

[balmy condor]

And for jailer if you didn’t happen to have a warrior for some reason

[marble hemlock]

Just tested it, its definitely not related to Iron Wire

So IC+Garrote just bug out if one of the targets is immune to it due to being a totem, or has some other type of immunity up.

[gleaming eagle]

so what 2 lethal poison you guys use

amp and deadly?

[marble hemlock]

So instead of just that target not getting Garrote, none of them will be affected. Coincidentally, the same happens if your garrote gets parried.

although that might actually be intended

[strange python]

Speaking of intended

Don't nerf the 3 stat belt thx

[topaz bluff]

Deadly+amp, always use amp with dtb imo. The 2sec increase feels poor

[strange python]

are they planning to?

[gleaming eagle]

alright

[strange python]

I mean, it's outsimming 421 belts at 372, there's no shot it goes unnerfed

3 stat belt is cool

and it probbly should

you're giving up like 5k hp

or w/e

now just ignore me while I go to my item restoration in case of belt nerf...

[marble hemlock]

please

its insanely broken

[strange python]

yeah it kinda is

But I waited 4 hours for it to spawn, I earned it

[alpine latch]

Damn son - I just simmed enchants

[strange python]

it is cool though, I'd like to see stuff like this

[alpine latch]

Even rank 1 Sophic Devotion is legit as fuck

MH I'm seeing 2300 dps for rank 1, then another ~250 per rank above it.

[gray hazel]

Dumb Q, you dont need to be an alch for this right?

[strange python]

Speaking of alch...

@balmy condor plz don't hate me. Did you also end up simming the double potion duration embellishment?

[balmy condor]

Not implemented last I checked

[strange python]

My boomie seems to have simmed it I'll ask for the link

[marble hemlock]

trusting a boomkin

[strange python]

Said it was only a tiny bit behind in ST but way ahead with even 2 add. But that could be because boomie CDs being big in AoE compared to us

[balmy condor]

Problem is our burst is contained within 20 seconds

So double potion duration would just hit into nothing

[royal lantern]

if i learned Something over the years, its that sims from other classes are often "uh, idk how to implement it, lets just say its +300dps"

[strange python]

Right. And the value to adds is negligible because none of our CDs do add damage

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[strange python]

But figured I'd ask just in case

[marble hemlock]

tbf even if you have to move away from the boss, having longer potion duration means we still get potion bonus while we do high dmg to the boss during downtime

[royal lantern]

seli, its 4am, get some sleep

[balmy condor]

Nova, can you put seli back on the keyboard? Thanks

[marble hemlock]

i woke up at 8pm, been working since 10

just taking a break

back on the grind soon

already sleepy agian tho idk why

[mellow oriole]

I've been playing Sin pretty much exclusively since like WoD, but I'm kind of feeling like I'm missing out right now. Sin feels great and I'm topping meters, but in the open world with Outlaw I get:

• Grappling hook
• 150% base speed at all times when stealthed basically
• Find treasures which is turning out to be a really cool quality of life thing for Dragonflight...

[outer cairn]

-find treasures?

oh teh shovels

[royal lantern]

movment Speed? people dont just fly everywhere?

[mellow oriole]

shovels and treasures in the black dragonflight area

[royal lantern]

im bunnyhopping with my dragon bettwen stuff, who walks

[mellow oriole]

lol, I guess I'm a pleb or something

gotta get my steps in

[loud silo]

is primal ritual shell a good trinket?

[eternal wasp]

Mb lol

Didn’t see it before I rushed to work

[royal lantern]

stat priority doesnt really exist in that form anymore in modern wow

cus you can just sim your avaible gear

crit and mastery tend to be better for assa

[eternal wasp]

Sim? Sorry I’m somewhat new

[strange python]

Raidbots is a website where you can simulate your character and input a variety of different items, talents, scenarios

You'll need to get simcraft, the addon. But otherwise you should familiarize yourself with the site because honestly 90% of the questions you'll wind up having will have people saying "idk, sim it" because every character has too many variables to accurately give you an answer

[dawn kelp]

so which build is most recommended, Kingsbane or DTB?

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[balmy condor]

Dtb probably friendlier to most people

KB has some esoteric advantages per fight

But it’s kinda hard to argue it for it aside from “me see execute higher so better”

[topaz bluff]

Maybe a weird question, but does dtb use tempest for the extra bleed on single target with the M+ build?

[balmy condor]

every build does

[mellow oriole]

I wish I could have both DtB and KB. Seems cool

[balmy condor]

would be the only thing we would ever play

[torn atlas]

Just full blast cracked out of our minds

[tulip dawn]

Can you Vanish > Garrote after you cast deathmark, or does it have to be before?

[eternal wasp]

Okay thank you guys I appreciate it

[balmy condor]

you can, yeah

[tulip dawn]

Gotcha, thanks!

[balmy condor]

just gotta make sure you're not overriding empowered bleeds and stuff

[lean fossil]

so since the nerf not taking exsang is roughly 1.5% dps loss?

[balmy condor]

most builds don't use exsang anymore

[lean fossil]

i saw the kb st did still which is why i asked

[royal lantern]

the blessed timeline

[lean fossil]

first time being happy for a nerf

[balmy condor]

yeah for KB you still take it

[lean fossil]

so a 1.5% loss if i dont take it with kb right?

[tulip dawn]

Is KB still recommended over DtB?

[balmy condor]

yeah

but KB is about 1% behind DTB currently

[lean fossil]

ahhh so dtb unless i need excute then i guess i suck it up

[earnest imp]

So are many of you dropping Exsangunate at wednesday?

[lean fossil]

im dropping it like a hot potato lol

[earnest imp]

Considering the amount of complain and now its just that around 1%

and i guess MA is also an aoe dps increase in m+ atleast

[tulip dawn]

So with DtB, take Amplifying and Deadly?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tulip dawn]

Kk thanks

[balmy condor]

faq has builds

[idle coyote]

Whispyr=faq enjoyer

[lean fossil]

thanks for all the work you do!

[royal lantern]

well, we can go back to the good old CHECK THE PINS

(nobody does it anyway)

[idle coyote]

No, simply ask Whispyr the question directly and make him link

[balmy condor]

pleasure

[balmy condor]

remember readthepinspyr?

[royal lantern]

based

[lean fossil]

hey i had a 12 hour work day and night school, im beat lol and dont wanna use my brain

[royal lantern]

bonus points for pointless or extremely self explaining questions

[balmy condor]

or a question about something from 15 years ago cause you haven't played since wrath and just played classic for the last 3 years

[idle coyote]

Okay

[royal lantern]

expertise still best stat?

[balmy condor]

like going "why does the guide say to maintain garrote, isn't that a stealth ability?"

that's a personal favorite

[lean fossil]

you got those wrath builds?

[balmy condor]

yeah got a guide on thottbot

[drifting cloud]

whispyr how is mastery now bis stat after oshosi isnt here anymore how can you explain that

[lean fossil]

lmao of course you do lol

[loud silo]

hey sorry this may be a dumb question, but in the faq what is the difference between "ST and execute" and "sustained dps"

[idle coyote]

Subtitles and execute

[balmy condor]

burst is doing big damage quickly, sustained is damage over a longer period

kingsbane is more upfront

[lean fossil]

so spike 150k dps to drop to 70 to then go back up in excute vs holding 100k dps

[balmy condor]

dtb is more sustained

[earnest imp]

@balmy condor in the FAQ you have an opener without exsangunate, if SBS is not specced, would that be replaced with an mutilate in the starter?

[drowsy hollow]

hah, that's the biggest nerf I've seen to something since they gutted feral and guardian tier sets in s3

[balmy condor]

nah just skip it

that's not to say you can't mut instead

probably makes 0 difference

[royal lantern]

turns out, when a talent gives more dps then all capstones, is not played in its intended way, played in all content no matter what AND is highly controversial, its gonna get changed

still love how many people always said "yeha but exdang is a BURST talent!!!" when because of its cd its litearlly not possible to be played as a burst cd

[drowsy hollow]

I'll admit, I haven't gotten anywhere close to 70 on rogue yet, but so far my levelling has been sub cause SHADOW

[strange python]

I'm just sad that one of my favourite buttons is a not oft pushed one now - but ah well

less on the fly math is good math

[dawn jolt]

I’m new to rogue but did anyone else feel like they were getting blown up in mythic brackenhide trash? It wasn’t whirlwind cause I shived those off

[balmy condor]

dot is ugly

[grizzled jay]

@balmy condor can we experiment with alch again yet?

[velvet ridge]

im tired of my dam poisions de buffing when i enter or leave a dungeon or hearth

[regal dune]

This

[balmy condor]

yes, for about 2 full days now

[grizzled jay]

yo i got the good Phial

[supple snow]

That’s toxic

[lavish lichen]

Its actually not bad if you get that spec to reduce the negative effects

[fair ingot]

Hey, quick question about aoe rotations. Once you setup all your bleeds, etc. Do you only spam FoK or do you weave in max cp Crimsons aswell (not only to refresh)

[balmy condor]

you should be spamming crimson tempest

fok does no damage

[lofty bluff]

kingsbane on top?

for ST?

[lofty bluff]

even with envenom up?

also love u whispyr mommy

[balmy condor]

dtb

[balmy condor]

not really fok doing that damage

you just want to fok for the cp

finisher rules still apply

[lofty bluff]

and spam kyrian charged / 6 CP Tempests?

okay thank you whispyr mummy

[balmy condor]

either spam tempests in big aoe

[lofty bluff]

Should I puzzle box before combat or on kyrian

[balmy condor]

or weave envenoms in

puzzle box on ER

[lofty bluff]

Get envenom running then tempests

cool

will do

its neat having the 2 second pacify lol

feels like the trinket from azshara

[balmy condor]

also stop calling me mommy, I'm a 23 year old dude

sorry to disappoint

[lofty bluff]

yeah but my headcanon is 2d anime girl

let me dream

[balmy condor]

you do you

[spice spire]

[lofty bluff]

also makeitquake you have a cute doggy pic

[balmy condor]

his dog is the best

[lofty bluff]

would you like to see my cocker spaniel?

[balmy condor]

lets see it

[spice spire]

I always love seeing other dogs

[lofty bluff]

this is manny

he is fluffy as can be

[spice spire]

God bless that’s a lad

[sudden orbit]

cocker spaniels best dog

[spice spire]

Very cute, 10/10 boy

[lofty bluff]

hes got very bad discipline and recall, but hes sweet and more affectionate than anything else I have met

[balmy condor]

what a face

:D

[lofty bluff]

He barks at guests when they are outside, then decides he loves you once he can reach you

[idle coyote]

I have a cocker spaniel as well

I will post him

[lofty bluff]

post cocker

:D:D

[spice spire]

Reminds me of my George. Sweetest boy I’ve ever met, and yeah same here

Post dog

[fair ingot]

Did a quick test on the pvp dummys. Idk about FoK dealing no damage tho.. ^^ Besides upkeep of bleeds I spammed Crimson with full cp/kyrian cp

[drifting cloud]

mods abusing for dog pictures again smh

[balmy condor]

pvp dummies

[idle coyote]

It won’t let me post

[balmy condor]

10/10 test

[fair ingot]

are there others for dps testing?

only dummys i found

[drifting cloud]

pvp dummies have different modifiers

[balmy condor]

bruh

there's training dummies everywhere

the vast majority are normal ones

where are you that only has pvp dummies

[fair ingot]

ok nvm it says cleave training dummies

[candid geyser]

anyone know what ilvl a crafted dagger will be with tier 2 alloys?

[fair ingot]

i am at the pvp vendor in valdrakken so i called them pvp dummy 😄

so they should have pve mods if they are called cleave training dummy right? so my dps point stands i guess ^^

[balmy condor]

this is the damage per execute of each ability

fan is at 43k

crimson tempest is almost 300k

it's not even close

do not spam fan

[lofty bluff]

is that presuming 6 cps or kyrian empowered

or avg?

[balmy condor]

normal finish rules

max-1 or animacharged

[fair ingot]

does it count the crimson dot or only initial damage? otherwise this graph is useless if it counts the dot duration ^^

[balmy condor]

it counts the damage per cast

if you override crimson tempest

and waste the damage

then that damage isn't done

so it isn't counted

[visual moth]

Maybe this is a shit question

cause obviously the nerf to Exhanguinate was big

[balmy condor]

plenty of those right now dw bud

[visual moth]

but aren't we still pretty fine lol

[balmy condor]

we are

[visual moth]

like I looked at it and just went "yeah seems fair"

[misty holly]

Even so you can just look at your tooltip. FoK does 3700 damage for me, CT does 8,200 +10,000 dot

Even without the dot CT does more than a FOK

[dawn kelp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[lofty bluff]

sorry, obvious question but in M+ its deadly and atrophic or mind numbing if no one else does that effect right?

[balmy condor]

most level headed sin player

[balmy condor]

mind numbing usually cause it's more tank mitigation

[lofty bluff]

oh neat got it

[pulsar fog]

Unless you're running double rogue

[balmy condor]

yeh then you go 1 and 1

[pulsar fog]

Or do they stack?

[visual moth]

Wait

[lofty bluff]

bro imagine if they stacked

holy damn

[visual moth]

Does Cheat Death

Proc Grieftorch

[fair ingot]

?
My question was if you spam fok or use crimson at every full cp to refresh once stuff is setup (not only in pandemic)
Ofc if you spam crimson it does override the dot and not uses the full duration

[visual moth]

Or why in the hell is that in the sheet

[balmy condor]

yes, you should be spamming CT at 6

[misty holly]

Bring 6 rogues with numbing poison and mobs wouldt be able to attack.

[balmy condor]

wdym why is that in the sheet

[pulsar fog]

Bring 14 rogues with atrophic and the boss does no damage

[lofty bluff]

yeah haha @misty holly

[visual moth]

Like it says CD (Cheat Death)

I thought they litteraly had to die

for grieftorch to proc

[balmy condor]

that's sub builds

with and without cheat death

because they gain damage dropping it

[weak horizon]

Is it ever worth it to throw in an envenom for the buff?

[balmy condor]

unclear atm but probably fine

[weak horizon]

Thx

[idle coyote]

I will not skill tricks or gouge cause too many buttons.

[drifting cloud]

you do you champ

[idle coyote]

Thank you for affirmation

[weak horizon]

If I wanted to skill tricks what would be the simplest drop?

[idle coyote]

Evasion

[visual moth]

Btw

[trim zinc]

how many targets is worth spamming ct after the ic garrote +rupture?

(ofc following the max-1)

[balmy condor]

6

[visual moth]

Do we have specific secondary stat breakpoints thats important. Cause I can see that you picked Crit > Mastery as our primary stats, but our weapons dont reflect it @balmy condor. Not a critisicm just curiousity

[trim zinc]

tyty :3

[balmy condor]

we do not

our mainhand is a 424 from the last boss

we don't get to pick and choose stats on that

[visual moth]

Ahh I see

Yeah of course

Makes sense

Otherwise just stack as much Mastery and Crit as possible

[balmy condor]

I'd be careful to note that crit and mastery aren't really the end-all

stats move around and shift as you get more gear

if you have 4000 crit and mastery and 0 haste, haste is probably a really good stat

if you have 2000 of each, probably better to just crit/mast

that's why we sim

sims tell us which item is better

[visual moth]

Copy that

[trim zinc]

and dont use stats weigth right hehe

[balmy condor]

yeh stat weights are garbo

[visual moth]

^^

+1

Last time I played seriously was in Nyalotha

and back then stat stacking was just a thing cause... corruptions right

[balmy condor]

kinda but that wasn't all that easy either

same deal, if you have 100% haste and 0% crit

crit's real good

it's a give and take

reducing stats to some priority of like agi > crit > mast

is really simplifying it down

[pulsar fog]

I always cringe when I hear "pawn says this is a 40% upgrade for me"

[weak horizon]

??

[urban trench]

I just finished the Sabellian rep grind

14 hours straight killing elite mobs

[balmy condor]

neat

[thorn crater]

thats for what? a back and a ring?

[thorn crater]

so the best weapons for sin are that main hand from last boss and the crafted dagger in the oh?

[balmy condor]

ye

[thorn crater]

but the dagger oh is bis only cause of the embellishment

which u cant get if u decide to go for the snow set

right?

[trim zinc]

Why?

[hollow river]

wait we actually spam now?

[thorn crater]

isnt there a 2 piece limit on embellishments?

[hollow river]

[thorn crater]

at 6 targets

[balmy condor]

correct, otherwise you go sbg dagger, which has similar stats

[balmy condor]

but yeh idk why you would do this

[thorn crater]

i mean they might tune it with the raid release no?

and also, what second embelishment piece would you get then

[balmy condor]

lariat

[thorn crater]

the neck?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[thorn crater]

how expensive is that shit gonna be 😛

[balmy condor]

the neck alone is better than the snow set

[thorn crater]

oh i see

ye just wondering if we get some rando profession item tuning

[balmy condor]

idk they seem pretty balanced to me

[thorn crater]

and they nerf the neck or something. so i think ill just get the dagger to be safe

i trust you

[balmy condor]

they're all within 0.8-1% better

[trim zinc]

Can we get the both embellishment
The bronzed grip wrappings and the fang one??
(I don't know nothing about crafting lol)

[balmy condor]

yeh

not on the same weapon though

[worn badger]

im outa the loop on new gear, what are the ebellisments, crafted stuff ?

[balmy condor]

special effects you can add to crafted gear

[trim zinc]

One in the offhand
And can we get the other one in the neck
Or the neck itself is one???

[balmy condor]

they're all boring proc damage

[balmy condor]

the neck itself is one

[worn badger]

ah, thanks

[trim zinc]

Tyty
So bronzed thing and neck 1,8% hype

[balmy condor]

yep

[lofty bluff]

how do we get the brone hand wraps? source not showing on wowhead

bronze*

[balmy condor]

raid drop

[lofty bluff]

thanks

oh yeah, anyone know how to check if you have a done a weekly?

theres a way to macro a check response right?

I want to see which crafting weeklies I havent done lol

[modern cypress]

There is a rare WA for it

1 sec

https://wago.io/9o2DUdr9t

This shows my weeklies

[lofty bluff]

DTP is amp & Deadly right?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[steel sorrel]

I have a question about simming my char, is there any coding I need to add manually for it to show the right dps? I know in PoE bleeds need to be manually adjusted pretty often and I thought it might be the same in Wow?

[halcyon arch]

Do I time shiv with deathmark while playing DTB?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[balmy condor]

nop

[royal lantern]

wow is somehow LESS spageet then poe

[steel sorrel]

So I can just copy pasta SimC string into quick sim on patchwerk basically?

[balmy condor]

yep

[steel sorrel]

Yeah, poe is a mess with numbers xD Thanks guys! This helps me practise rotation for raids ❤

[versed rapids]

Is there a way to see what different powers on the ritual shell are in raidbots?

[idle coyote]

Love spaget

[halcyon arch]

While playing DTB without exsang, do I try to shiv during deathmark or just shiv on cd?

[royal lantern]

cd

[barren lintel]

Is assassination good in M+ or should I stay sub for it?

[hollow swallow]

Is assassination still good single-target after the huge nerf?

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[idle coyote]

I need some good vibes, I will be attempting to find mythic groups US time in 30mins

[royal lantern]

still highest st of all rogue Specs, the difference is just less gigantic now

[marble cedar]

Anyone any recommendations for a good dagger? I've done all Mythics and had no luck.

[royal lantern]

crafted one

[barren lintel]

But how are we supposed to have 80 primal chaos for the good dagger?

[brazen zodiac]

spam dirt piles

[royal lantern]

dirt piles

dungeons

or just dont do it, because when raid/m+ comes out everything that is no crafted gear will be thrown away, and you will have WAY more primal chaos

[brazen zodiac]

[barren lintel]

Spamming dirt piles is next level degenerate

Not judging

[gilded swallow]

Wanted to ask about the exang nerf
Checked pins - Was already explained well there
Good work @balmy condor 🙌

[balmy condor]

Yap

That’s what me do

[royal lantern]

i thought you job is looking cute?

[balmy condor]

no that's my day job

[gilded swallow]

So- Looking cute at day, and being a sweaty theorycrafter at night? :>

[balmy condor]

yap

[brazen zodiac]

ur just a hater

[royal lantern]

no, he speaks the truth

[brazen zodiac]

im an archeologist at this point

[quasi osprey]

i believe this simply because THD tweets about dirt

[barren lintel]

I always detested mindless dumb farming strats for AP or any other bs that gives you a small improvement

[midnight spoke]

I'm having a bit of a problem with Plater config for assassination rogue. The duplicate poisons from Deathmark and Shiv don't seem to get removed by the Plater blacklist properly. Do the duplicate poisons get a different debuff ID; or how are they represented otherwise?

[gleaming eagle]

do you think exsang is still a must have after the nerf?

[balmy condor]

nope, or else the faq builds would all be taking them

[gleaming eagle]

cause honestly i hate it

lol.

[quasi osprey]

Hover the debuffs and check the id's either with elvui or idtip addon

[midnight spoke]

I checked on ElvUI and ElvUI is showing e.g. 3409 for Crippling Poison and displays it as a 2nd stack on the nameplate when I shiv. I've been messing around a bit since the above post and found that it's actually a different debuff ID (115196 vs 3409); I'm not sure why ElvUI collapses them. I assume it's the same for Deathmark and will just go based off the combat log.

[pulsar scarab]

How's the nerf feel fellow dirty rogues!

[balmy condor]

idk, ask when they're live tomorrow I guess

[steel ridge]

good

riddance

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[subtle tundra]

assa is dead

go sub

[brazen zodiac]

rogue dead

reroll

hi varas !

[subtle tundra]

hey

im rerolled already

feral goes hard

[marble cedar]

I'm the opposite, I moved from maining Feral for years

[subtle tundra]

your loss!

more feral stonks for me!

[marble cedar]

Assassination is still a far smoother experience I think, even though Feral is very good now

[subtle tundra]

dps is all i care about

and not being outlaw

[thin portal]

How is sin now with full talent points?? Last time i played was shadowlands with df talent tree.

i see lots of ppl did what i imagined, moved to kitty druid altogether.

[steel ridge]

your loss, keep it rolling outlaw is peak gameplay

[subtle tundra]

you can go to #outlaw

ty

[thin portal]

outlaw can bite me

[hoary isle]

please.

outlaws are just wannabe warriors. GOTO warrior discord

[subtle tundra]

"lots of people"

[steel ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-26153874

[thin portal]

i randomly come on and ppl said they rerolled kitty druid lol

[subtle tundra]

yea me

[steel ridge]

i have a feral/resto druid setup as my second character

[subtle tundra]

until m+ week though

cause rogue is way better than druid in raid

[steel ridge]

resto druid is just perfect rn and feral is pretty good, but the tree has some minor issues

[thin portal]

i wanna play a lvl70 sin, how is it?

[steel ridge]

sin is very good

[thin portal]

no love all shadowlands.

unless pvp.

[pale plank]

I actually like them in SoD

[pale plank]

Sin is good, now you do have to play with exang and ER

[thin portal]

ill check it out

need to lvl my rogue first

from 60

[late veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[sturdy merlin]

Not using CttC on DTB build ?

[trim zinc]

Not using shrouded, that is kinda sadge
But cttc is there on faq

[indigo mulch]

Ss is like the best talent ever

Feels so good

[royal lantern]

all builds use CttC

[sturdy merlin]

I was looking at fuu's spreadsheet

but yeah every build in faq

use it

[royal lantern]

Without cttc i would drop rogue

no 2nd thoughts

🙂

[halcyon arch]

Is there a build without exsang but with SS?

[balmy condor]

weird

[balmy condor]

nop

well

m+ technically

but I assume you're asking single target

[halcyon arch]

yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh no

also means I have to change the opener images

pog

[halcyon arch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8i6gurTxQm8qC9RsZEnZ7A

[balmy condor]

mans stacked

[halcyon arch]

This one seems fine

or am I totally wrong

[balmy condor]

wdym

[trim zinc]

Played it early in CN didn't had cttc;-;

[flint tusk]

interesting trinkets really making that much difference?

[trim zinc]

For the dtb build??

[balmy condor]

yeh, cause now theres single target builds without ss

so gotta make an image for that

[halcyon arch]

Thats the reason I'm here, trying the build I linked but opener feels off(using same as the build with ss).

[trim zinc]

Wich is kinda sadge
Garrote 3 cp is cool on opner

[flint tusk]

That build is looking pretty interesting. going to be FAR less maintenance compared to the traditional KB build right?

[halcyon arch]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

well with SS you would double garrote and stuff

without, you're just doing this thing

[trim zinc]

I think even without ss and blood mess
U don't wanna drop your bleeds

[flint tusk]

yeh i don't mean standard rotation but the opener is way easier

[halcyon arch]

Where to cast ER?

[flint tusk]

plus bust windows are rigid

[balmy condor]

you sent me the sim bro

it's right there

[halcyon arch]

(simnoob)

sorry

[balmy condor]

all good

if you scroll down

that opener is fine

[trim zinc]

I think I'm just dumb and sleep
Sorry lol

[balmy condor]

sometimes it isn't, because we don't really sim openers

but that ones perfectly fine

[modest gale]

Will assa be superior than outlaw in raid?

[balmy condor]

it does more single target

[royal lantern]

you mean the time where everybody dropped assa cus it played Like shit cus of SnD AND did no dmg?

[trim zinc]

Ur hurting my feelings;-;

Lmao

[trim zinc]

I changed to venthyr one week before the buff or something (I don't remember why)
Just cuz whispyr is a f god and I was max renown when it hits
That was cool

The week before that was awful cuz venthyr before changes and 0 renown

Wasnt the lashing scars being op or something like that

[knotty canopy]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[knotty canopy]

Does the sheet already include the Talent nerf for assasination?

[velvet ridge]

Is there a change log for the sin faq

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

not yet

[knotty canopy]

Ty

[balmy condor]

I'm working on a couple other things right now, faq changelog is on the list

[velvet ridge]

I appreciate all that you do

[halcyon arch]

same

[little light]

the faq is crazy good

[strange python]

I cant find any assassination m0 run on youtube at all

[balmy condor]

I'm probably streaming mine tomorrow

[somber fractal]

so the dtb build takes sbs now?

[balmy condor]

yeh

well

it always has

it skips exsang

and shrouded

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOO

Exsang nooooo

😭😭😭

[somber fractal]

im looking at the one from the spreadsheet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7qWNfTfmwHxQ34VCfCVfjt

[balmy condor]

cool

skips cttc too

that's fantastic

[somber fractal]

which has exsang and shrouded still

[balmy condor]

yeah

huge

[barren lintel]

You guys really playing Sin in M+?

[somber fractal]

is the current build linked somewhere

[subtle tundra]

Even more buttons

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pTQd3wPbexGFdwJqZGznr

or

hear me out

you do this

gain 1k dps

[subtle tundra]

M+ is not real

[balmy condor]

and get cttc back

[subtle tundra]

Play sub in m+

Play sub in raid

[barren lintel]

It’s the acronym for dungeons nowadays 😄

[subtle tundra]

Real?

[balmy condor]

varas why don't you go to #subtlety

if that's what you're playing

[subtle tundra]

I'm scared

This is my comfort zone

[balmy condor]

you should be more scared of me

getting sick of your constant dooming

[broken flame]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[subtle tundra]

I want my opinion known

[barren lintel]

Is sin hard to play in M+ compared to the other specs?

[subtle tundra]

No

It's quite easy

[balmy condor]

trust me varas, your opinion is very known

it's the only fucking thing you contribute

[subtle tundra]

😴

[dense herald]

Whisp, there a few KB builds without exang floating around?

[subtle tundra]

My constant lack of knowldge of the game is strong

[balmy condor]

there are

[dense herald]

Ooft nb

[balmy condor]

they're the highest simming builds

[barren lintel]

I‘m thinking about trying out sin in raids and maintaining two specs with all the nitty gritty details from the faqs is hard

[dense herald]

I’ll tune in to your stream tomoz for the updates 👌

[subtle tundra]

I mean I'll try to get +20 done on first Wednesday and I'll start by playing assa, but I honestly think I'll have to swap to sub

[somber fractal]

i dont want to live in a world where people dont take cttc

[subtle tundra]

That world doesn't exist

[balmy condor]

but the fuu sheet

[subtle tundra]

I love misinformation

My favorite type of information

[shell niche]

u think u can do 20 on first day? seems kinda impossible from beta perspective

[subtle tundra]

Yes

Some of the keys are literally free

You get 2-3 of those in a row you're golden

• key rerolling

Shadow moon valley is so easy

Also I'll play with a group I played on beta so we know the dungeons already

[shell niche]

mhh i see

[ornate topaz]

Hello all, I am really enjoying playing assassination this expansion and came here to ask you guys...I really like playing the poison bomb and the Dragon-Tempered Blades talent as the last talent as the damage is pretty much passive. How much am I losing potentially by playing this over the Indiscriminate Carnage & Kingsbane in the AOE situations? As I understand those should be the way to go? Is there a percentage I could find somewhere to see how much worse the middle talent is?

[balmy condor]

it's better now after the exsang nerf

[ornate topaz]

and should I take exsang with the middle talent as well?

[balmy condor]

no

[ornate topaz]

I understand its still very good talent even after the nerf

[balmy condor]

you don't take exsang

[ornate topaz]

ok

[balmy condor]

there's builds in the FaQ

I would look at those

[ornate topaz]

and would you have a talent trees for that ?

oh thank you!

[royal lantern]

but a SUB MAIN made them

[strange python]

What do you think about assa and m+ but early keys where mobs wont stay alive too long Whispyr?

[ornate topaz]

looking at the M+ build for Dragon Tempered Blades do you think taking Serrated bone spike would be a bad choice or I can lean that way a little maybe? I rly like that skill as well 😄

[balmy condor]

it's worse, but not unplayable

[balmy condor]

my opinion on this is the same as it is for any situation where "but the mobs die fast" gets brought up:

If they're dying too fast, no one cares, you're already smashing the fuck out of that key, do harder content, problem solved

[ornate topaz]

its amazing talent tree it looks great and very much suit my gameplay thank you again!

[royal lantern]

allright whisp, my turn for a stupid Question: for ST, DTB and KB build are more or less equal(slightly favoring DTB), but what is "better" for m+?

[balmy condor]

you can argue KB+IC has more controlled damage in higher keys, but DTB has more single target

so

dunno

have to see how the meta shakes out I guess

if rogue is stuck on single target duty again, then I guess DTB

[royal lantern]

ww+havoc?

[indigo mulch]

Ww havic

[balmy condor]

you can "prio" on DTB by just envenom funneling

which is like

fine

it's good enough

[royal lantern]

did somone say FUNNEL???

[balmy condor]

so if you're looking to just do your rogue duty as the groups bitch

DTB probably better

[indigo mulch]

Blacksand?

[velvet ridge]

I like being a bitch

[balmy condor]

me too man

[thorn crater]

Raid and m+ release next week?

[balmy condor]

the 13th yes

14th for EU

[thorn crater]

If the exsang nerf is not implemented in the raidbots what voodoo magic did you do to run the sims

[balmy condor]

overrides

I told simc what spell_id's got changed to what values

so it functions like it's 3 min 80%

[marsh grail]

in fuu's spreadsheet it already is implemented right?

[balmy condor]

yes

he's using the same overrides

[marsh grail]

dtb build ⏫

[dense herald]

Fuck ngl the idea of No exang and a shorter opener is really getting me excited

[thorn crater]

I mean I enjoyed the long opener

Set you up good

And the practice on it made you get used to the extra buttons

[little light]

not sure this is the place to ask for this, but is there any WA for just garrote/rupture tracking? or could I make one and just set a glow for pandemic

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

these all have it

[little light]

aight

[balmy condor]

you can rip it out

[little light]

good idea

[balmy condor]

and it should just work

[little light]

time to rip 🙂

[royal lantern]

afenars doesnt glow on pandemic sometimes for me tbh

[little light]

ive been using luxthos but wanted to have the button again bigger cause im an old man

ill just duplicate it and rip it from there then

[little light]

that happens with luxthos too also

not sure why

[quasi osprey]

I know luxthos doesnt pandemic glow enchanced garrote on purpose

[little light]

that makes sense, tho it has happened with rupture too for me

[balmy condor]

rupture can be enhanced with exsang

[little light]

hmm it might be that, then it dosnt track pandemic properly?

or is it that you shouldnt pandemic refresh it

[balmy condor]

you shouldn't refresh exsang'd bleeds

[velvet bridge]

is this correct? always figure the release would come with the wednesday reset

[little light]

ah got it, I didnt know that

[balmy condor]

NA reset is on tuesday

that's why I said 14th for EU

in the next line'

[velvet bridge]

ahh

sry got confused

[neon lava]

So what gear slot should i get a crafted piece in?

[balmy condor]

faq for embellishments

[pale plank]

6:32am here and whispyr working over time answering everybody questions, do u sleep?

[thorn crater]

Oh fang and bronze are good too if you can’t get a diff dagger

To go for double crafted daggers

[velvet bridge]

very wholesome discord

[subtle tundra]

No he don't

[trim zinc]

Dude I have to go get my drive license in 2 hours
I didn't sleep yet
And I'm here talking shit;-;

[neon lava]

if you live in the us ur gucci mate, impossible to fail

[trim zinc]

I'm from Brazil
It's 8am ;-;

[balmy condor]

I ran over a small child and 3 traffic cones, 2 red lights, and made a right turn from the left lane

and I failed

[trim zinc]

LMAO

[ornate topaz]

guys...what is this? 😄

[neon lava]

They drive like psycopahts in brazil aswel ur gucci

[balmy condor]

we call those potions

[night delta]

DPS in a bottle

[neon lava]

do you have roundabounds in brazil?

[balmy condor]

5 minute energy

[ornate topaz]

I know what potions are ofc but did not see this one yet 😄 I did not play Dragonflight till 2 days ago 😄

[trim zinc]

An image

[ornate topaz]

saw it in combination with deathmark so I guess its stat potion used with deathmark skill use ?

[balmy condor]

yep

[ornate topaz]

ty!

[night delta]

Anyone got a solution to stop Amp poison from sneaking into my bars whenever I spec into it after having specced out of it ?

It's really annoying

[thorn crater]

Fill them

[flint tusk]

open a hidden bar. put them on there and rehide the bar

[thorn crater]

Make the bar smaller from editor

[balmy condor]

fill this

[thorn crater]

Go sleep

[flint tusk]

how is that possible when nothing is there?

[thorn crater]

Oh wait

[night delta]

usually we empty those

[balmy condor]

[thorn crater]

It’s only 3am right?

[balmy condor]

3:40 yeah

[thorn crater]

Ye Ure chillin

[balmy condor]

no work tomorrow either

[night delta]

great out of the box thinking, i'll try this

[thorn crater]

Not even 6 yet

[flint tusk]

you'll find it's the most underrated thing when playing with tons of different modifier macros. got about 4-6 abilities on that "hidden" bar

[thorn crater]

If you have a macro that swaps abilities based on modifier why do you need them?

Or did I misunderstand

[subtle tundra]

Hi I don't know anyone from brazil

Cheesed to meet you

[trim zinc]

Hi sub player

<3.

[subtle tundra]

🫡

[trim zinc]

Just joking
Hello

[subtle tundra]

It's fine...

I don't like this reality

Why nerf assa...

[dark garnet]

Its a buff for build options!

[subtle tundra]

It's also a buff for m+ spec variety

🥰

If assa is good you wouldn't catch me playing anything else ty blizz more fun

[trim zinc]

But sin is good don't doom it

;-;

[balmy condor]

varas is an m+ one trick

he only does m+

so sin is beat by outlaw

and he dooms

[barren lintel]

When was rogue stuck on ST duty?

[subtle tundra]

And sub ok?

But I like sub

[balmy condor]

all of shadowlands, all of bfa except if you played crit eb in the last season, and all of legion

[flint tusk]

I use alt modifiers to make it easier for my small arse hands to press things quickly.
So for example i have
rupture on 1 slice and dice on Alt-1
mutilate on 2 ambush on alt-2
evis on 3 shiv on alt-3

have the same sorta modifiers on q and e also along with a few other abilities like shadow dance and shadowy duel for sub.

[barren lintel]

Rogue in general or sin? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

rogue in general

[barren lintel]

Okay. I thought that outlaw was picked due to being good at aoe and st

[balmy condor]

"good" at aoe

it's always done sorta okay

but yeh no

aoe has always been an afterthought for rogue m+

[flint tusk]

sub is better at pure aoe. outlaw is just good at cleaving off a ST

[subtle tundra]

Catch me black powder spamming

There's quite a lot of prio target pulls in the df dungeons

[shrewd night]

Hahaa catch deez

[subtle tundra]

These what

[flint tusk]

that's fine then use shadow techniques on them and evis until they're down

[trim zinc]

I'll DM em
But hehehehheh CT

[subtle tundra]

It's not like envenom does much more to a single target

[rapid yacht]

im not a good player by any means but envenom does seem very underwhelming

[balmy condor]

yeah same

looks very weak

[rapid yacht]

well like i said, "i am not a good player by any means"

[torn atlas]

Shiv so poo, might stop pressing it

[balmy condor]

delete shiv

[rapid yacht]

i only use shiv to dispel rage and line up with deathmark

[trim zinc]

it makes u deal more nature dmg
so envenon poisons KB etc
if u have kb use both on it, if not slam it on cd i think

theres more and better info in faq, u should go there and see it
im just a dumb one

[rapid yacht]

yea im just having a rough time with cd downtime, im bursting 40-50k but downtime im 16-20k

[ebon copper]

how much crit/haste/mast % should be ideal? i feel like i do way less dmg because of my stat weighs

[umbral saffron]

Idk who said the cobalt assembly ring doesn't work for rogues, works for me

does like 10% of my dmg or more

[balmy condor]

everyone was saying it wasn't working, 5 days ago, when it wasn't working

little late to the party bud

[red tinsel]

I've been able to crit 54k with Envenom, that sounds like a lot

[trim zinc]

there isnt an ideal number from what i know
just sim your character

and dont use stats weighs it sucks
do top gear

[ebon copper]

gotcha preciate u

[cursive frost]

There will never be a perfect number, it will depend on talents, fight type, etc. as per all the other people saying, sim your top gear with raidbots and simc

[royal lantern]

34 percent critical strike chance

🙂

[barren lintel]

are the builds in the faq updated? exsang still good?

[spice spire]

Yes

[rocky sluice]

any decent abilities i should be macroing for pve?

[balmy condor]

potion and deathmark, maybe trinkets

aside from that, no

[agile geode]

hello, i saw from fuu spreadsheets that dragon tempered is a bit more efficent than kingsbane

should i aim for that one?

[balmy condor]

ye

"aim for that one" makes my skin crawl

you just kinda talent into it

and that's it

but yeah

[agile geode]

thanks

[barren lintel]

could someone tldr or ELI5 why DTB is now better than KB?

[cursive frost]

Any guides on best m+ trinkets to sim for yet?

[spice spire]

It does more damage

[urban minnow]

@balmy condor what does thou aim for ?

[balmy condor]

big booty bitches and a 12 pack of redbull amen god bless

[urban minnow]

God bless this morning

[barren lintel]

Overall? Even including execute heavy bosses ?
Or is it more damage in general but execute fights should still play KB

[rocky sluice]

is there a decent build that has IC and DTB? ive gotten pretty used to IC :/

[trim zinc]

there isnt points for that 2 i think

[balmy condor]

yeah