assassination

[sharp elk]

interesting

[slate scarab]

Opening with it

[simple gulch]

It’s ridiculous how strong assa st is lol

[balmy condor]

if you're talented into shrouded and opening with garrote it should give 3cp

you're the first I'm hearing not getting 3cp

[sharp elk]

back to the good ol days

maybe he isnt talented in it

and thinks he is

[balmy condor]

happens sometimes

[simple gulch]

I never had that bug

[shy radish]

hello guys, this trinket good? sim ~100 better than bottle

[balmy condor]

the UI also breaks if you try and change talents and it doesn't go through

[slate scarab]

I'll double check it again.

[balmy condor]

yeh it can be good

[simple gulch]

Where’s that from?

[jaunty lotus]

This good?

[balmy condor]

just a little bit

[simple gulch]

Big leech

I missed freehold trinket

[weak horizon]

Why was exsanguinate so strong in DF compared to previous patches?

[simple gulch]

Because our bleeds do giga damage

Now

[balmy condor]

because it wasn't competing with 10% haste when haste was our best stat, bleeds got buffed, deathmark exists, ER is played

[sharp elk]

ya my cp ui is so weird, like when i gain combo points with ambush it makes them all light up like im about to get 7 combo points but then i get 3-4

[autumn frost]

Whispyr I'm looking at the rotation guide if I'm reading this correctly we garotte twice in single target on opener?

[balmy condor]

yes

[alpine latch]

We garrote 3 times, technically

[simple gulch]

Man alacrity nerf sucks

[autumn frost]

[pulsar apex]

heya ive read the pins but this "No change really. If you know it's the last cast of the fight, sync with Deathmark the same way you would in opener.".... i though you never use Exang with Deathmark

[simple gulch]

[weak horizon]

Can you explain the competing with 10% haste point?

[balmy condor]

exsang -> dm

[simple gulch]

Alacrity

[balmy condor]

yeh

alacrity existed

[simple gulch]

Was 10% haste

[lunar lantern]

u can exsang with dm just has to be cast before dm

[weak horizon]

Oh, the talent, thanks

[pulsar apex]

right ty

[simple gulch]

Now it’s a measly 5%

F

[autumn frost]

Is it to maximize the amount of enhanced garotte time + get 6 combo points from doing so?

[shy radish]

quest i guess, i dont remember

[autumn frost]

So pandemic garotte slice and end up with 3

[autumn frost]

Thank you.

[sharp elk]

i havent played sin since nighthold, i cannot fucking wait to play it in raid again

[pulsar apex]

to the layman <- me things seem simpler now that its an old fashioned CD right?

[simple gulch]

Well if it’s quest then it won’t be that I’ll

Ilvl

[slate scarab]

Nope, I have it selected, opening correctly and only getting 1 combo point

[distant latch]

It got nerfed bruther

[lunar lantern]

this 3 min change to exsang is gonna make er feel strange, it was neat to have them synergize with eachother every 45 sec

[sharp elk]

no it got quality of life buffed and is still good

[strange python]

I am legit plagued by decision anxiety about where to put my LW knowledge based on which crafted epics are strong 😦 early xpacs putting so much simming on TCs that I have limited info is traumatizing

[simple gulch]

What’s ER

[strange python]

Echoing reprimand

[balmy condor]

emergency room

[fallen arch]

Exsang nerf good

[simple gulch]

Should have known

[balmy condor]

could also be exsang removed

[thorn crater]

Waking up to exsa nerf

[lunar lantern]

idm exsang nerf, but its gonna make er feel less cool to press

[fallen arch]

Still hoping this happens for christmas

[thorn crater]

Not a bad day

[sharp elk]

im rebranding exsang nerf as a quality of life buff

[autumn frost]

Is there a place where such logic about the spec is all consolidated? I would like to read more theorycrafting.

[amber yoke]

This a joke right?

Right?

[fallen arch]

Time for a name change mate

[glad vessel]

[sharp elk]

what i want more than exsang removed is thistle tea, ER, and shadowdance replaced

[simple gulch]

Year it’s a joke, an early April fools joke

[balmy condor]

no but I'm planning on moving a lot of the FaQ explanations into the wowhead guide when things get finalized

[strange python]

You've been shit posting the same thing for like 3 hours

[amber yoke]

This lunar inspiration but worse...

[sharp elk]

how did thistle tea even go through

[amber yoke]

The same fucking thing that made me move from feral to sin

[sharp elk]

[balmy condor]

thistle tea is good

[amber yoke]

Reeeeeeeeeeeee

[simple gulch]

Because it’s pog

[autumn frost]

I haven't been shit posting.....

[sharp elk]

its os boring

[fallen arch]

Nothing wrong with it

[distant latch]

So is outlaw gonna outperform in ST now?

[simple gulch]

No

[shy radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gKTdGvLkypxCYpCf93T5TP

[lunar lantern]

thistle tea is such a nice button

[fallen arch]

Am I the only one struggling in dungeons? Packs fall over before I can set up properly

[glad vessel]

isnt sub even higher than outlaw on ST?

[sharp elk]

i didnt like echoing reprimand either so i was pretty underwhelmed

[balmy condor]

welcome to m0

[simple gulch]

It is

[glad vessel]

and now sub and assa are like within 0.5%?

[fallen arch]

So its not me?

[kindred rapids]

kinda seems like sin is undersimming in dslice

[balmy condor]

no

[glad vessel]

[fallen arch]

I felt so bad last night

[autumn frost]

Care to explain?

[distant latch]

That’s not what wowhead had in the tier list last time I checked

[simple gulch]

I’m not sure, I think so

[fallen arch]

My mates were like dude, where dam

[balmy condor]

I dare you to try and tell me why

[fallen arch]

Playing dh and ww

[kindred rapids]

I'm simming 31k in dslice but hit >30k easily

[thorn crater]

Lmfao nice name@change for the channel

[balmy condor]

oh

[glad vessel]

dont tell me that outlaws are gonna outdps me in raids now

[kindred rapids]

playing very suboptimally

[sharp elk]

you are a perfect gamer

[balmy condor]

you're just an ape that looks at the number at the end of dslice like gospel

[simple gulch]

They are, only you though

[balmy condor]

got it

[simple gulch]

[thorn crater]

Btw can we get your plating linked to the faq or in the wa command? @balmy condor not sure if it’s there but I haven’t seen it :p

[outer lodge]

[glad vessel]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

yeh once I get it updated

[glad vessel]

im just doing my part to stop further assa nerfs

[balmy condor]

planning on it

[strange python]

Oxi rubbing off on you

[kindred rapids]

no idea what that even means

[balmy condor]

it means the number dslice spits out shouldn't be an indication of actual dungeon damage

[sharp elk]

a serious answer is dungeon slice is a really complex sim

if you are not doing exactly what dungeon slice is simming, you are not going to get something equivalent to dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice is an averaging of situations similar to a dungeon that gives reasonable approximations of what is better or worse

it's not "you should do 31k dps"

[kindred rapids]

yeah, except we were pulling small and it was heroic so mobs were falling over wasting a lot of ic value

[strange python]

I mean dungeons have varying pull sizes, routes, downtimes (allowing for CDs to come back), etc etc etc. They're horribly unreliable to judge actual damage, they're only useful to compare specs at a very surface level

[kindred rapids]

so it's odd to me that somehow dslice would be less optimal

in what it's simming

[sharp elk]

you shouldnt really use dungeon slice fora nything other than telling you what is better gear

[strange python]

Plz read before responding if you're confused.

[sharp elk]

idk how new talents work with it but it was fine with old talents

[strange python]

We've answered your confusion and you've just repeated it

[balmy condor]

this is literally what I just explained

[sharp elk]

meaning it would be decent for tellling yo best talent in m+

when talents werent as complex

@kindred rapids https://medium.com/raidbots/mythic-simming-with-dungeon-slice-68a834880975

thats an old article but pretty relevant

[strange python]

Comparing dslice to actual dungeons is like comparing patchwork Sims to tarragrue damage.

I simmed 23k but did 105k. Literal goated rogue

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[kindred rapids]

I understand roughly how dslice works, I was saying I expected the pull sizes and durations in that dungeon to be less ideal than what dslice simulates

[fallen arch]

Apparently not

[strange python]

That's much different than what you said, and it's a safe assumption that your instinct was wrong.

[sharp elk]

i mean if you are doing a dungeon constantly pulling packs of 5+ mobs

[balmy condor]

those numbers have changed a little btw

[sharp elk]

dungeon slice isnt going to be that accurate

that makes sense considering the article is pretty old but same applies

if you are pulling a standard deviation above what d slice sims

its gonna be different

[pulsar apex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[kindred rapids]

that's why I said from the beginning we pulled small

[sharp elk]

idk what you want, you seem to fundamentally not understand how a sim works

[unique sorrel]

i gotta sit down and re-setup plater, elvui makes dot tracking

[sharp elk]

think of it this way, when you do research and 1 out of 100 samples is much different, you don't make assumptions based on that sample or say the other 99 are mistaken

[grand trail]

so were dead spec again, well time to practise outlaw again 😄

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[drifting cloud]

yes assa dead, go back to outlaw channel

[trim zinc]

did this today, but normally is like 32k

[balmy condor]

yeh still like 5% ahead of outlaw or something, completely dead spec

have fun

don't come back please

enough bad opinions in this channel already

[sharp elk]

[grand trail]

im just mad

[brazen zodiac]

about what though

[balmy condor]

number went down

riotge

[echo heath]

dont care, still blasting in dungeons

[neat plank]

I didn't realize exsang was this crazy, guess I'll just use something else now and make my opener less complicated, plenty of nice talents left in that tree

[sharp elk]

it is a quality of life buff

[autumn frost]

It's still the best though Putka

Although only marginally.

[trim zinc]

sin is like waaaaay more fun
i played outlaw on prepatch and its like sadge

[balmy condor]

yeh when a random talent is stronger than kingsbane and dragon-tempered, it's bound to get nerfed :P

[faint harness]

Still think exsang is the better option, despite being on a 3 min cd. Should tell you enough

[neat plank]

yeah but for the complexity it adds, im not that interested anymore over a passive

[grand trail]

idk man, those frequent exsa make the build interesting as it wasnt that slow with it

[sharp elk]

idk i thought i would hate shadowdance ambush memes but im really enjoying it

[autumn frost]

That's fair

[sharp elk]

though, i still think too many cds to keep up

[sharp elk]

ye idk, i never liked exsang the last time it was good which was like emerald nightmare

if they keep up the current path for rogue you will get something that makes it faster cuz its a lot harder to play than it was then

[neat plank]

the thing is, if exsang is now within margin of error of MA in dungeon slice, it means MA is gonna be better for me because sims assume flawless execution which I won't have

[torn atlas]

I need to make a personalised sim that incorporates about a 70% accurate rotation.

[nimble tartan]

old school simc had that

[neat plank]

exactly

[nimble tartan]

like the actual program

the goood ol times

[sharp elk]

why dont you just take the number and multiply it by 0.7

[neat plank]

because 70% accuracy doesnt result in 70% dmg done 😄

[sharp elk]

thats true for individual fights but on average it should

[kindred rapids]

that's absolutely not true lol

[woeful wigeon]

Nice #

[kindred rapids]

his point is some rotations are more forgiving of mistakes

[balmy condor]

its technically still in there

just gotta dig deep

[glass junco]

tbh, I understand the nerf but its kinda sad how different classes get different treatments when they are a bit overperforming

[balmy condor]

and it's also not supported so it probably breaks

[fallen arch]

Elaborate

[kindred rapids]

depending on how you define a rotational mistake, it also wouldn't translate to 70% damage

[glass junco]

but hey, its fine, as long as we are still viable

[sharp elk]

yes it should or else accuracy is not the word you are looking for, if you are making the same mistake every time then you are not being inaccurate, you are making a mistake

[balmy condor]

we're still the best single target spec in the game

[glass junco]

nothing important, just me casually crying

[sharp elk]

aka playing wrong

[woeful wigeon]

@balmy condor MAKE MY DAY tell me some exsanguinate stuff plz

[torn atlas]

Might need to throw in a 50% chance I die during pull to the sims too.

[kindred rapids]

dude what?

[glass junco]

really? didnt realized that, damn

[balmy condor]

there's a giga pin

[balmy condor]

yes, we were that far ahead

[neat plank]

I enjoy having all this information served to me like that

it's a real luxury 😛

[glass junco]

even with the m+ builds?

[indigo mulch]

Wait from 45s to 3min?

Even if its good that seams a little excessive

[balmy condor]

idk, I don't really compare specs single target based on their m+ builds

[balmy condor]

there's a pin explaining why it isn't

[neat plank]

I love when opinions are data driven as opposed to feel driven 😄

[indigo mulch]

No I read it, but in term of St we aren't that over preforming compared to other classes and specs are we?

[drifting cloud]

lmao

[balmy condor]

I just said we were

[glass junco]

i just found the single target damage in m0s a bit underwhelming compared to outlaw but I am probably just bad

[strange python]

This sub is going to slowly turn whispyr into Oxi

[iron orchid]

This looks so tiring man, stay strong Whispyr

[balmy condor]

oxi learned from me buddy

[distant latch]

That’s normal. I only play outlaw in dungeons

[strange python]

You're at least twice as patient and nice as Oxi

[balmy condor]

behind every joke is me screaming at my screen

[strange python]

See. Oxi just screams at the people

[woeful wigeon]

Shame outlaws has all the fun again but yeah tis 5 % still fun

[indigo mulch]

Wait isent shamans doing similar number to what sin used to do though? 😒

[safe matrix]

you know who has the patience of a literal god, fuu has been doing this for years

[strange python]

Outlaw fun? Current outlaw is omega boring.

[safe matrix]

and he still hasnt cracked

the man is insane

[balmy condor]

they are not

[glass junco]

not true

[strange python]

Outlaw is a three button spec lol. Ambush>dispatch>pistol shot>dispatch>ambush, repeat.

[grand trail]

wish they rather focus on fixing exsa destryoing deathmark when used incorrocetly...

[strange python]

Shadow dance/vanish if you ever miss a proc

Oh boy so exciting

[indigo mulch]

I if you say so then it's probably true.

[strange python]

Outlaws trying to convince themselves that spec is difficult or complex just because it's fast lol

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[glass junco]

sure bud

[sharp elk]

dont fall for the bait

[strange python]

Getting top 5 ranks on outlaw in season 3 was the easiest of ant spec I've ever played.

[indigo mulch]

So we are on par with sub in term of St but sub has better aoe.

[nimble tartan]

spec difficulty: outlaw>>>sub>sin

[jolly heath]

[indigo mulch]

Seams fair.

[glass junco]

Honestly, didnt ask

no one said its complex or difficult

[nimble tartan]

i got #35 sin cn #40 sub and 110+ outlaw for mythic… cause me boomer 🤭

[strange python]

This is what your brain becomes on outlaw.

[balmy condor]

why are we talking about outlaw in here again

[nimble tartan]

wait

[strange python]

Because outlaws came here to stir shit up again

[nimble tartan]

ok my bad on mobile

[safe matrix]

sin is also massively better in fights with downtime

[nimble tartan]

it doesnt say sin

also cause

[glass junco]

??????????????

[balmy condor]

trolling or.....

[nimble tartan]

apologies

[safe matrix]

i mean like

[nimble tartan]

i was watchin my bro

[safe matrix]

fights where you have to leave to do mechanics

[balmy condor]

yeah I know what downtime means

[nimble tartan]

i would never have said what i said

[woeful wigeon]

Cause of the exsanguinate whispyr you know it damm Well the bleed is kill us

[safe matrix]

outlaw/sub get fucked by restless blades/envelopening shadows

they need uptime

sin kinda doesnt

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

[indigo mulch]

Lmao

This discussion will never die will it?

[balmy condor]

10/10 feelcraft

love it

[safe matrix]

yw

[drifting cloud]

can you just leave for an xpac again liavre

[safe matrix]

okay first off, I left for two

[woeful wigeon]

We feel you bro

[strange python]

Sin also requires more ramp time to set itself up, which is hampered by downtime. The downtime argument has been dismissed for years.

[echo heath]

jesus one nerf and the trolls come out blazing

[sharp elk]

guys if you are unhappy just play DH surely it wont get nerfed again

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

the 3 things I will have to fight while rolling in my grave in 80 years:

1. stat scaling
2. sin downtime dps is GIGA
3. restealths matter

[marble hemlock]

LBE not even top 3

[balmy condor]

fuck you seli

I got bigger issues than your boner

[strange python]

Restealths sorta matter now with IC!

[marble hemlock]

few things bigger than that my man

[indigo mulch]

[distant latch]

Stat scaling as in phase 2 sin can still be the best?

[balmy condor]

nah cause you can just vanish them

[strange python]

That's 2 mins tho

Not every pack

[oak sky]

then get a restealth on the other packs

[sharp elk]

[drifting cloud]

maybe restealths can climb to 2nd place

[strange python]

I'm just saying. Getting a restealth matters more than it used to.

[oak sky]

:chatting:

[indigo mulch]

Man I remember back in bfa when tanks chain pulled.

[sharp elk]

i think that is my favorite emote ever made

[indigo mulch]

Never restealth

[balmy condor]

stat scaling as in the circus clowns rolling in every expansion to talk about how assassination is bad early in the expansion/patch and great late in the expansion/patch because ilvl and stats and assassination stonks are so high diamond hands we go to the moon

[distant latch]

[sharp elk]

reminds me of fire mage discord

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

HOW MUCH HASTE DO WE NEED UNTIL WE BEAT OUTLAW BOYS

[sharp elk]

corruption vendor amounts

[safe matrix]

beating outlaw

[balmy condor]

and then if you tell them that they're fucking idiots they go "oh but look at 8.3, that was stat scaling"

[sharp elk]

[balmy condor]

and you reach out to strangle them through the screen but are disappointed when you can't

[trim zinc]

99% im dumb but even with SS and IC, restealth isnt super helpfull? for dmg

[indigo mulch]

?

[balmy condor]

SS is just combo points

big whoop

for IC you usually have it up every pack, and you can vanish if you can't get a restealth

but missing like 2-3 restealths in a 30 pull dungeon

oh no

[unique sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[balmy condor]

the horror

[strange python]

It's moreso just frustrating to have a tank who pulls a new pack when the current one has 0.01% health instead of waiting the 0 seconds.

[sharp elk]

or you just play outlaw because you will get kicked if you are sin

[marble hemlock]

just like outlaw always needing more buffs than toher classes cause it scales badly. and windwalker.

[balmy condor]

5% of my garrote uptime is going to be about a third weaker

what shall I do

my key is ruined

[strange python]

/shrug feels bad to not get the silences and DR out because someone thought pulling 0.01 seconds faster saved time

[indigo mulch]

Buff ww

Ah and fire mages.

[strange python]

Not making a big difference doesn't make it feel good

[fossil pagoda]

my dungeon parses

[balmy condor]

sure

but I ain't about feel

I'm about data

and data says fuck the restealth

[strange python]

How does Mrs whispyr feel about this

[indigo mulch]

Mrs

I like It

[sharp elk]

man i cannot fucking wait to game some m+

[trim zinc]

thats good to know
cuz sometimes im like "my tank just chain pull wanna kill myself"
should i stop it??

[balmy condor]

mrs whispyr feels great because musicians got a lot of individual finger control

[strange python]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[balmy condor]

yeh

[indigo mulch]

I'm a little sad it got put o on the a 3min CD tho

It was a gun button to press

Fun*

[cerulean nest]

is it worth getting a crafted wrist or belt when our crafter wont be able to make necks until s1 week

[balmy condor]

Maybe

[trim zinc]

being honest im dumb
i saw that and like "OMG I NEED RESTEALTH" cuz garrote was like alot of my dmg in the dgs

[warm parcel]

Exsang do be polarising of a talent daum. Reminds me of when we first got it at 400%

[balmy condor]

Yeah you and every rogue in the last 10 years since that was a talent

[indigo mulch]

Question for you @balmy condor why is this the best nerf we could have asked for? I don't think I ever seen blizzard put a 45s ability on a 3min CD plus nerf the ability it self.

[simple gulch]

I noticed that Shuriken storm generates full combo points much earlier than FoK

Why is that?

Oh target counts

[marble hemlock]

please dont

[strange python]

Neck seems bad compared to the leather pieces but whispyr ain't simmed yet so TBD.

[marble hemlock]

those were dark days

[warm parcel]

This talent will never get its peace

[marble hemlock]

just kill it and let it rest in peace

[warm parcel]

:D

[grand trail]

wish they make the change live so i cant test it out in real world atleast

[cerulean nest]

since when is neck bad? thought it was the best craft we could get

[balmy condor]

What part of the paragraph is confusing

[sharp elk]

does garrote no longer silence from stealth?

[balmy condor]

Maybe I can reword it

[balmy condor]

Iron wire

[drifting cloud]

wasnt that nerfed in like a week or two

the 400%

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sharp elk]

ah ty

[strange python]

I've tried crafting it in many different setups and have yet to find it competitive with the leather boots or the leather 2set a single time.

[warm parcel]

It was gone during prepatch yea

[sharp elk]

yeah that is really the best part about restealth garrote

[strange python]

I think everyone thinks the neck is strong because everyone says the neck is strong.

[indigo mulch]

No, I'm just curious. What would have been worse? A 5% aura nerf?

[sharp elk]

jesus fuck that silence is insane now lmao

[cerulean nest]

just runs contrary to what Ive heard in here so far, guess ill wait for more simming

[steel ridge]

My prayers have been heard

Rejoice

[strange python]

Me too. But I never saw any Sims back it up, tried myself, couldn't make it outperform any 421 neck. But again, this is the whispyr/Koji/seli domain and they haven't done the deep Sims on this yet.

[sharp elk]

i wonder what the ret paladin discord is like

[cerulean nest]

oh well outperforming a 421 neck is different than thinking about buying one at the beginning of the season for a boost lol

[sharp elk]

if this is what happens when exsang gets nerfed, what happens when you are one of the worst raid specs for multiple years

[strange python]

My simming showed necklace at -0.4% compared to 421 neck, but 418 wrists+gloves outperforming 421 pieces by 900-1400.

[balmy condor]

Anything really, dot nerf, aura nerf, other nerfs to talents that aren’t stronger than capstones

[strange python]

There's a lot of "ifs" with crafting tho. The 2set might be a bait because it has an "or heal" effect and TBD how that's decided. The boots might be good with the "100% stronger with toxified patch" effect.

[steel ridge]

Now i can play secret tech MA. If i get some daggers before raid that is.

[strange python]

For now, we wait till whispyr figures it out

[balmy condor]

I had this simming neck last week

[strange python]

Hmm.

More than mine showed but I wasn't using beta sim But a lot less than 2set still.

Maybe neck+toxified patch boots? Idk, I get anxiety about it

[silk bane]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[empty hinge]

Morning friends

[balmy condor]

Can you send me your bonus id’s? I’ll check when I get home

[strange python]

Dafuqs a bonus id

[warm parcel]

String of numbers after itm ID in sims

That tells the robot what stats the item has

[strange python]

Uhhh where find

[warm parcel]

If you open the profile of your sim at the very bottom

[strange python]

I don't have the Sims anymore would have to re-run, but I believe they have static stats

[balmy condor]

Raidbots has a history

[strange python]

Uwot

[balmy condor]

I’m mostly interested in the bonus id’s for the effects

Less so the stats

The stats I can do myself

But the bonus id’s I was using didn’t work

[strange python]

Where's this history

[balmy condor]

Top right

[strange python]

Wait

It's midnight. You're on discord. Are you not home

[balmy condor]

I get out of work at 12:30 every Friday and Saturday for the last 6 years

I would hope I’m not home

[drifting cloud]

the history only works if you have an actual account I guess but you probably do?

[strange python]

I do

I pulled them up, looking for ids now

[balmy condor]

Link to the sim works too

I can pull them out of your import

[strange python]

Presumably on full html report page. Which subtab/what number am I looking for

[warm parcel]

Ive no clue what individual string of numbers is what. Just the item that has the effect whispyr is looking for

That whole line

Could look like

neck=wolfstride_pendant,id=133633,bonus_id=1808,ilevel=421,gem_id=192958/192958/192958,crafted_stats=32/49```

[strange python]

Interesting. I see bonus IDs for every item in the sim except the boots

[balmy condor]

That’s usually not a good sign

[strange python]

But the boots simmed ahead of non crafted anyways

[warm parcel]

So that would indicate a bad sign yes :D

[strange python]

At lower ilvl

[balmy condor]

That would mean the boots are hardcoded at their item id

Which is uhhhh

Not how crafted items work

[strange python]

Ot would be weird for 418 crit/haste boots to be outsimming 421 crit/mastery boots unless it's the effect

[warm parcel]

Impossible to tell without the string

So whispyr can check it out

[balmy condor]

Yeah but given your item has no bonus id’s

I’m not really sure what the fuck it is

[strange python]

The damage effect from the boots is in the breakdown of the Sims damage profile

[balmy condor]

That’s a good sign

Still need the link to any of this

[strange python]

But I ran Sims on my computer and discord is on my phone fuuuuuuuuuuk

[balmy condor]

That shouldn’t matter

You can copy paste URL’s on your phone

[strange python]

But I'd have to get out of bed

[balmy condor]

Why would you have to do that

Open the sim on your phone?

[strange python]

I didn't run it on my phone

[balmy condor]

Okay?

Why would that matter

[strange python]

Oh I can pull it from raidbots history on mobile

Ur smart

[balmy condor]

Feels like I’m fairly average in this conversation but thank you

[strange python]

Hey

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[strange python]

😦 rude

[cobalt hemlock]

i was getting used to exsang and they do this

[warm parcel]

Youre still getting familiar with it

[empty hinge]

Ye

Pretty sure exsang is still the best for st

[cobalt hemlock]

thats even worse because now you are getting fucked still just get worse reward like wtf

[balmy condor]

Individually those are all English words

I’ve never seen them put together like that though

[cobalt hemlock]

you are still forced to play bad talent but you dont get rewarded less for doing so

[balmy condor]

What

Of course you do

[empty hinge]

I’m confused

[balmy condor]

You get rewarded by doing damage

[coral pivot]

Isn't a higher dps than not playing it a reward?

[balmy condor]

It’s almost twice as good as any alternative point placement

Is that not rewarding

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xtN2z2csoiYEncqfms7EVw/simc

[balmy condor]

Perf thanks

[cobalt hemlock]

okay i guess i didnt know how op the thing was lmao

[strange python]

Magic snowball - 1.6%

[balmy condor]

88.6 wtf

[cobalt hemlock]

what was it before then if its 2% now

[strange python]

Retail raidbots doesn't have DF consumables

[spice spire]

What we’re they cooking

[balmy condor]

It’s 9% now it’s 3%

[strange python]

Afaik

[balmy condor]

Well, 3.5% now but who’s really counting

[balmy condor]

[empty hinge]

I want steak

[balmy condor]

It should

Weird

Okay

If it’s just consumables then that’s fine

[strange python]

Idk, I tried a few times. It's set to optimal raid buffs and consumables and it's using shadowlands ones

I tried to use the string for DF ones and it gave errors

[balmy condor]

Where did you use the strings?

Custom apl?

[strange python]

Think so, but computer speak is above my pay grade so you might want to confirm for yourself in a beta sim

[balmy condor]

At this point since the expansion mimiron and normal raidbots are identical

[strange python]

I'm also not sure how the boots stack up because of the 100% bonus effect based on crafting mats - not a good damn clue how to add that in

[balmy condor]

I Just like the red and my Browser auto completes to mimiron

[strange python]

Well. Ticking optimal raid buffs uses spectral agi pot and flask

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I can look into that

Probably a quick fix in the module I think

[neat plank]

it seems that cobalt ring proc isnt working in sims, its been fixed in game and seems to do good damage, I think i'll use that over my other blue ring ;O

[strange python]

It was fixed in game yes

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty good but will get replaced soon I think

The stats on that thing are pretty terrible

[strange python]

Sims might have it updated tomorrow but really any gear you get at this point will be replaced within a week of mythic+ going live

Your neck Sims would make it seem neck+boots > 2set but again, above my simming ability/knowledge

[balmy condor]

We will find the answers

[strange python]

Also fire helm+first boss ring is kind of hilarious, but only showed real value for pirate

[spice spire]

Damn. Miss the old whispyr pfp

[strange python]

I got the dinner reservation tho. So I did something right

[balmy condor]

Menhera goated

[spice spire]

Idk what that is but go off king

[balmy condor]

Menhera is the girl

[trim zinc]

What a weeb
Im proud

[burnt venture]

anyone know if Fuu's spreadsheet is updated with the Exsang nerf? I'd assume not but

[spice spire]

I just can’t accept the lifestyle man

[balmy condor]

It is not

[burnt venture]

10-4, thanks buddy

[spice spire]

Nah but pins are

[burnt venture]

yeah I saw pins

[balmy condor]

Need to get around updating my sheet

[burnt venture]

figured it would have been bigger than 6%.. not bad all things considered tbh

[spice spire]

It’s been a day. You never know. You’re one of the better ones mister rek

[balmy condor]

6% on a single talent and you expected more

[burnt venture]

Not saying it should have been a bigger nerf.. I just figured up'ing it to 3min and reducing effect by 20% would have been larger than 6% overall

but my napkin maths are terrible

[strange python]

I expected buffs.

[balmy condor]

I mean the talents gotta be more than 6% to get nerfed by 6%

6% is huge

When capstones are around 9%

[burnt venture]

I mean yeah 6% is a big nerf

especially since sub was right behind on ST anyway

not far behind anyway

[empty hinge]

I have seen the future and next week this time we’re getting buffs

[spice spire]

Y’all wildin

[balmy condor]

Pass the crack

[burnt venture]

anyways I'm off to bed. Thanks for the answers lads. Have a good one

[foggy tundra]

I'm new to wow, why does no one take %15 poison dmg node or poison chance nodes on DTB builds where our main damage comes from poison?

[silk bane]

is he really on crack tho? arent we like what over 20% in dungeon slice behind the other 2 specs and now 1% behind sub in pure ST? copium for buffs xD

[balmy condor]

Less damage

[celest drift]

Kinda sad to see exsang is still the best choice tho

Fucking hate it

[waxen thunder]

Based of those sims and Fuu's sheet, this still has us just over sub, so im okay with that. I hated exsang anyways, so if anything got nerfed, im happy its that to make it more reasonable to choose something else

[strange python]

Could change. Feels like every patch there's some weird shit that pops up a few weeks into the raid

[celest drift]

Yeah for sure

[balmy condor]

We’re ahead still I’m pretty sure unless sub gained like 2% since yesterday

[trim zinc]

R we behind tho?

[silk bane]

idk i was going based off of Fuu's numbers sub was 91k we were 95, lost 6% so should be like 89.5 ish? idk

[strange python]

There was better apl optimization for tea. Post nerf our sim is 92 (pins)

[balmy condor]

Weird that I’m simming 97 pre nerf then

[strange python]

At this point, it'll come down to damage profiles based on fights

[empty hinge]

Did assa go over 100k sims pre exsa nerf and pi

[strange python]

At first glance a bunch of the fights look like they'd be strong candidates for outlaw and sub. But, who knows. Also, sin has gigantic execute damage

[silk bane]

yeah youd probably take assa over sub even if it was like 1-2% behind cuz of execute but eh

[cinder geode]

will we still take exsang now that the CD is quadrupled lol

[balmy condor]

Pins

In big bold

Outlined with tick marks

Can’t miss it

[strange python]

Rest in Peace Exsanguinate

[balmy condor]

It’s still the best talent

Bro I will commit a hate crime if one more person comes in here with their bullshit

[trim zinc]

Pls don't;-;

[waxen thunder]

I more interested in the dev not attached this this change is looked at as a temporary measure. What the timeline looks like etc.

[blazing totem]

exsang is dead????

[amber sand]

Thank you for all the hard work you do Theorycrafting for all of us!

[blazing totem]

[balmy condor]

You’re very welcome

[brazen zodiac]

yea thank him before he goes boom

ty whisp

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor is sin DEAD now that exsang is TRASH?

[brazen zodiac]

times r rough but u will get through

[balmy condor]

Probably looking at 10.1 or 10.2

[blazing totem]

is it time to reroll?

[spice spire]

Exsanguinate is your meowing, whisp

[balmy condor]

I don’t think they would emergency nerf and leave it the whole expac

[amber sand]

Is Sin still looking to be thee best raid spec?

[balmy condor]

It’s more arguable now but generally yeah

[waxen thunder]

Oh I 100% agree it wont be all xpac. Im hoping for 10.1, but will temper expectations as a redesign or an entire new talent wont be the easiest to implement I imagine

[amber sand]

I tried to Sin in Dungeons but i just do so much more overall damage as outlaw are you guys experiencing the same thing or do i just need more practice?

[balmy condor]

Yeah I think it’s healthy to expect 10.2 and be happy if it arrives 10.1

[balmy condor]

Right now things are just dying too fast, sin should be competitive when dungeons slow down a bit more

[empty hinge]

Sin might be good in high keys just not academy

[waxen thunder]

And who knows, maybe ill hate the ability less with not needing to hit it as much

[amber sand]

That sounds about right thank you!

[balmy condor]

I think sin is going to be great in academy actually

That’s where iron wire cranks the hardest

[thorn crater]

Use outlaw to farm daggers from mythics and get ready for raid release

It’s what I’m doing

[empty hinge]

I see academy as a black powder angle

[balmy condor]

No utility lets go

Just Slam dps

Poggers

[mossy snow]

is sub dece?

[balmy condor]

Sub is good yes

[mossy snow]

wait so all 3 specs are gaming this patch?

[trim zinc]

bUT IF iDrOP irON wIRe for MoRE dMG

[balmy condor]

Yes

[trim zinc]

Just joking

[mossy snow]

nice

[pulsar fog]

Then cry when the aff lock beats you with one talent

[balmy condor]

Fuu’s sheet takes doomblade vicious venom in place of double shiv and iron wire GO GO GO

[silk bane]

@balmy condor wouldn't something similar to aff lock's Rapid Contagion be more interesting? easier to get peoples head around how it works, easier to balance and all that stuff? or am I on crack?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[silk bane]

idk maybe that would be a better replacement

[balmy condor]

That’s like one of the 95 different exsanguinate replacements people have suggested over the last 6 years

[strange python]

Highly unlikely that exsang gets replaced/reworked before the first major patch.

Just be glad they made it less overbearing for now

[balmy condor]

Well they actually said it’s not

So

0 chance actually

[granite ermine]

what vendor sells the chestpiece ive heard about thats got a decent ilvl for it

for rogues

[tacit iris]

Oeh exang's getting targetted. Good

[granite ermine]

was just wondering

if anyone knew

was told a vendor sells a chestpiece somewherre

that has a good beginning item lvl

for rogue

[empty hinge]

me black powder me big dam me no kidney shot me let healer die me proud me 1st on details

[granite ermine]

is it outside of Nok

[real pewter]

I'm kind of sad exsang got destroyed considering it's been a useless talent for years now and now will, once again, be a useless talent

[indigo mulch]

Still the best talent we have lmao

[real pewter]

Is it? It seems unbelievably weak now, considering it'll see almost no use outside of boss fights

once, too

[trim zinc]

Pins

[granite ermine]

or does no one know what im asking about

[placid cobalt]

Cant believe its still bis talent after a nerf this huge xd

[trim zinc]

Idk tbh sorry;-;

[granite ermine]

about the vendor who sells the good chestpiece for coin

[cedar silo]

do you want to death mark than exang or exang than death mark

[trim zinc]

Exsg>dm

[balmy condor]

You’re the demons I see when I close my eyes

[placid cobalt]

I hoped id be a dead talent now kinda hate it

[empty hinge]

[solid mica]

this was always going to be the outcome

[cedar silo]

so like ideally you garrote > rupture > puzzle box > exang > death mark >kingsbane ?

[trim zinc]

Who doesnt hate it

[placid cobalt]

I mean, guess with it being 1% or smthg better is reasonable not to play it? Idk

[warm urchin]

does this mean going TTB would only be a 0.4% dps loss

[cedar silo]

@trim zinc Thank you!

[balmy condor]

what do you guys think of my new sign that I'm putting on my fence gate

[trim zinc]

Loved it

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[trim zinc]

Being honest on the last season of SL I stopped playing wow cuz irl reasons
And sometimes I just came here to read pins just to know what was going on lol

[brisk crystal]

So exsanguinate can be used as well even with this nerf?

[slim estuary]

Why do you rupture twice?

[trim zinc]

Pandemic

[thin trout]

mah whole life nerf

[burnt venture]

Pins

[slim estuary]

Interesting

In a shorter fight would we save exang for the execute phase?

[balmy condor]

as long as it doesn't lose you a cast, sure

[cedar silo]

it honestly still feels like its a 4 min nerf... since youd wanna use it again with Death mark

[balmy condor]

that's basically what this is

[balmy condor]

not true

there's no sims currently showing that hard-syncing the two is a gain

I haven't looked too much into it though

but like

I wouldn't blanket statement that

[cedar silo]

wouldnt that be the reason it was a 3 min nerf instead of a 2 minute tho?

[balmy condor]

2 minute would line up with every deathmark

all on its own

[cedar silo]

yea exactly

[balmy condor]

I don't understand

[bronze pike]

It would still be oppressively strong if it’s 2min

[cedar silo]

i feel like it being 3 is just weird since i feel like id wanna use it with DM still unless it was a 3-4 min boss fight

[balmy condor]

there's a fundamental difference between a 3 min cooldown you hold for a minute and a 4 minute cooldown

in one situation, you are actively sacrificing casts

[bronze pike]

It being 3mins, is probably best for it.

[empty hinge]

Poison bomb buffs next saturday

quote me

[next arch]

No

[balmy condor]

can you stop trolling please

it wasn't funny the last 5 times

[empty hinge]

[trim zinc]

I like the sound effect of the poison bomb
It's cool

[cedar silo]

this nerf will it affect the way we build secondaries? or is it still gunna be crit mastery

[balmy condor]

should still be crit mastery

haste might catch up a little

[sand sundial]

rly sad nerf 😦

[balmy condor]

no

really good nerf

[sand sundial]

3 min isnt too much? XD

[balmy condor]

really happy nerf

[cedar silo]

i mean im not gunna lie i thought exang was broken

[balmy condor]

read the pins

please

[cedar silo]

i was macro that and thistle tea for the mastery gain and nuking mobs every 45 seconds it felt way too strong

[drifting cloud]

xd

[balmy condor]

you macro'd thistle tea for the mastery?

I should've gone to bed

[cedar silo]

it felt good for the opener id be low on energy and than be full for the gburst window

plus i use puzzle box so i would usually have tons during a boss opener

idk felt good

[trim zinc]

Just use it for energy;-;

I can be wrong on that but u can use it for mastery at the end of a fight if ur gonna finish the fight with charges
But whispyr said to use it for energy
But I don't actually know

I just trust him

[cedar silo]

i mean i just did it mainly for the burst windows

i would usually starve myself before i exang and because it was macrod id be back to full during a burst window with shiv after exang

6 seconds of mastery during an exang window everytime felt nice

[balmy condor]

you use for mastery if you're overcapping, otherwise for energy

[trim zinc]

Isn't like all charges of shiv for kb??

[balmy condor]

yes

[cedar silo]

well yea so in an opener when ur at 3 i use it with exang and dm than kb 2 chargers of shiv 1 more tea and than i wait for DM again ideally

thats how i was doing it atleast

[balmy condor]

okay that's fine

I thought you were legit macroing it to exsang

and just slamming

cause that's not fine

[cedar silo]

opener exang

i have 2 one specific for opener one i used on cd

[balmy condor]

sure

that works

[trim zinc]

U rly love exsg 2 keybinds for it;-;

[visual slate]

What about PB in m+?

[trim zinc]

Hehe

[balmy condor]

what about it?

[cedar silo]

i honestly thought it was a busted CD

[visual slate]

Why isnt it used

[cedar silo]

ive never played sin rogue this is my first tier

ive been sub rogue and outlaw before only

[balmy condor]

because we play double capstone and that requires 10 points after the 20 point gate which is all of our points

[trim zinc]

It's way cooler
And waaay more fun
For me at least

[cedar silo]

its insanely fun

slow but fun

[trim zinc]

And we have whispyr

[flint tusk]

So i know puzzle box is good. But question do we precast it and hope we can get back into stealth? Or do it right after the initial opener and cds?

[balmy condor]

you would have to drop either IC or KB to get 1 point of poison bomb

and that sounds real bad

[balmy condor]

do it after ER

[flint tusk]

Whispyr is mvr (most valued rogue)

[balmy condor]

so rup ER box rup vanish gar exsang

[visual slate]

I dropped 2 points from the leftside to pick 2 points in pb and honestly i love it

[flint tusk]

That is actually great will slow the opener down a touch which is nice.

[shell osprey]

hello, sorry im new to this discord, but where are the sheets people were referring too for rogue damage 🙂

[visual slate]

Less single target for way more cleave

[balmy condor]

that's great, but I assure you dropping kingsbane and 1 point of zold is not worth the damage

[balmy condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[balmy condor]

I assume this one

[dense cedar]

troll sheet

[balmy condor]

that's maintained by the sub theorycrafter

[shell osprey]

thank you!

[dense cedar]

doesn't say im best rogue

pointless info

[trim zinc]

Zold is like insane for dgs isn't it..

??*

[balmy condor]

it's pretty good yeah

[cedar silo]

why would you ever drop KB lmao

its too good

i just wish we could KB and DTB but the right side is way too good

[trim zinc]

Other day u said that on dtb builds we "kinda" slam shiv on CD whats the other scenario?
I wanted to ask it but I forgot

[ancient rain]

I wonder why exsang is a burst talent now but it wasn't considered a burst talent before

[novel arrow]

Imagine Exang. having a longer cd than Shadowblades. What a world we live in 🙂

[night delta]

dafuq

[wild storm]

there have been plenty of times where exsang was used in burst scenarios tho

[night delta]

I woke up to exsang giga nerfed wat

[visual slate]

Well PB is the difference between 40k and 90k pulls for me, while losing kingsbane is difference between like 25 and 29 on single target

Maybe im doing something wrong idk

I also don't play xsanfg

[balmy condor]

are you surprised

[oak sky]

it had to happen

[novel arrow]

@night delta Giga nerf is like .... doesn't even cover it.

[night delta]

more surprised on the timing of it

[balmy condor]

that's not how PB works

[night delta]

I expected it to be at s1 launch

[tacit iris]

good news innit

[oak sky]

i expect them to do balance changes any time between now and the raid release

[night delta]

well finally it's not an autopick

[oak sky]

[flint tusk]

They have a chance to balance the damage with another tuning pass now though.
They’re doing another class tuning next week

[night delta]

don't care it's still better than several choices

i'm glad

[cedar silo]

it felt broken

now it will just feel strongish

[night delta]

well, not only felt

it kinda was

[cedar silo]

imagine it stayed 45 seconds when we got tier 4 lol

[tacit iris]

imagine seeing your spec dmg getting nerfed pretty rough and being glad about it - assassination rogue 2k22

[visual slate]

Why not though?

[flint tusk]

Being strong =good. Being broken=bad

[next edge]

You understand it was broken right

[tacit iris]

Yes im happy too matey

[near valley]

no one man should have all that power - exsang haters probably

[next edge]

If anyone didn't expected a change it wad delusional

[near valley]

[tacit iris]

Better delete that

[near valley]

tbf was the best solution

[balmy condor]

because PB isn't going to do 60% of your aoe damage

[ancient rain]

someone on this server basically said i'm * super dumb * for thinking it's a burst cd because it increases your dps. i still don't understand why (at least in their view) it isnt

[halcyon arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[balmy condor]

this is the dumbest shit I've read today

[night delta]

his argument was basically "it's not a burst cd because we found out you don't use it as a burst cd"

[meager granite]

Well depends... If your class is purple or light blue there is no problem with it..

[near valley]

so far*

i'm all for them reworking the ability later down the line tbf

[wild storm]

preference maybe. imo currently the way exsang is setup, it's a burst cd. exsang in itself is bursty. it doubles the speed on your bleeds.
there was a time I think in legion where your entire build revolved around exsang and it was incredibly broken.

[cobalt hemlock]

damn i thought i was special

[fallen arch]

Same

[near valley]

one ability causing 90% of the discourse in a spec

[oak sky]

you mustve missed hataro's take on therapy

[balmy condor]

is shiv a burst cooldown?

[dense cedar]

?

[stuck knoll]

Oh for fuck sake

[dense cedar]

do i wanna know?

[oak sky]

no

[balmy condor]

cause if you think shiv is burst cooldown, then sure, exsang is also a burst cooldown

[near valley]

lmao

actual copypasta worthy

[balmy condor]

but neither shiv, nor exsang on 45 second cooldown, really made a spike in your damage like a burst cooldown would

[fallen arch]

Its no combust

[cedar silo]

^

[fallen arch]

Thats a burst cd

[ancient rain]

i didn't say it is, i said I don't understand why it isn't

[cedar silo]

its not symbols

[balmy condor]

I'm using it as a hypothetical

I don't consider symbols a burst cooldown either to be fair

[dense cedar]

afaik symbols isn't even that important anymore

[balmy condor]

it isn't

[flint tusk]

Isn’t symbols only 10%

[balmy condor]

symbols is basically tea with half the cooldown

[cedar silo]

symbols used to be good

[balmy condor]

did it?

when?

[dire lake]

So…no exsang anymore? Are we freed from this curse?

[near valley]

i hate having to micro manage symbols

[trim zinc]

Pins

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[cedar silo]

fely like it was a decent burst window in shadow lands when you have cov points in it tbh

[dire lake]

Ahh mb

[fallen arch]

Whisp

[sterile jackal]

As i saw this news i started to think about trying sin

[fallen arch]

Do you ever sleep?

[balmy condor]

I do, but not for long

[teal bloom]

He exsangs his sleep duration

[dense cedar]

whispyr is always here when i am so

that's a bad sign

[fallen arch]

Burst sleep windows

[near valley]

real gamer hours

[balmy condor]

I think my phone says I average about 4 hours of sleep a night

[dense cedar]

[fallen arch]

That sounds healthy

[near valley]

i wish i could function on 4 hours

it's either i sleep for 10 or i don't sleep at all

no inbetween

[balmy condor]

hey, I've been doing it for years and I'm only fat, depressed, ugly, and my acne is awful

can't be that bad

[flint tusk]

Wish i could do the whole sleep twice for 4 hours. Less time around humans.

[trim zinc]

I sleep like 5 6 hours and once a week I sleep like 12hours

[near valley]

i see myself in this message and im not liking it lmao

[balmy condor]

I'm sure my peak physical health has nothing to do with my regular intake of raw garbage and 0 exercise while also not sleeping

I'll just drink a glass of water and it'll be fine

[flint tusk]

I blame it on the unhealthy level of simming exsang damage.

[fallen arch]

Eat a veggie every fortnight

[sterile jackal]

Sadness has entered the chat

[dense cedar]

what if some bosses were immune to bleed damage

that'd be neat

[balmy condor]

leave these sacred chambers, outlaw player

[true rapids]

classic is ----> that way

[trim zinc]

What If some bosses were bullet proof

Lmao

[dense cedar]

BtE is a bleed

Bleed the Eyes

its in the name

[visual slate]

I fucking lost it

[near valley]

feral and sin in shambles

[signal pier]

they will reconsider

[near valley]

best option

[signal pier]

that's a pog thing to see

yeah

[balmy condor]

single target comparison for KB btw

top build has not changed

[sterile jackal]

Yay, bb exsang

[subtle tundra]

Ok now buff our aoe

[near valley]

what aoe?

[acoustic sky]

[near valley]

how would one go about buffing our aoe anyhow

asking for the sake of asking

[signal pier]

poison bomb IC

envenom now hits 8 nearby enemies and can trigger poison bomb on each one

[dense cedar]

ye sure

[subtle tundra]

What's our st in m+ build @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

idk

higher than 10k lower than 100k

[dense cedar]

11k

[subtle tundra]

You're a fucking

[near valley]

that's a giga button right there

[opaque sigil]

12,5

[balmy condor]

I'm not an ape why do you think I'm simming single target in m+ builds

[near valley]

[subtle tundra]

Cause it's an important part of the m+

And the st you do with aoe build matters a lot

[balmy condor]

okay and what will do you with the information

if I tell you 75k

[subtle tundra]

Compare to outlaw

[balmy condor]

what does that help you

[near valley]

can't compare to the best

[subtle tundra]

And ask for buffs or outlaw nerfs

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

You know who you're dealing with

[flint tusk]

Dagger rogue is the only rogue. Sin or sub never outlaw.

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

yes

[hallow sage]

joker moment from varas

[balmy condor]

I'm dealing with an ape

[next edge]

Sub is giga fun

[signal pier]

holy shit, they fixed alchemy

[near valley]

true

[flint tusk]

Sub in m0 was fun af

[balmy condor]

yeah, I experimented 3 times, boomed, then boomed on cooldown

[near valley]

black powder is actually a pretty nice button to spam

[balmy condor]

perfect system

I've boomed the last 7/10

[hallow sage]

skill issue bozo

[near valley]

is alchemy still broken?

[signal pier]

idk what boom is, but im about to find out

[cobalt hemlock]

same

[balmy condor]

when you experiment you have "a chance" to fail, explode the bench, and have it go on a 4 hour cooldown

[flint tusk]

Everything is still broken 😂

[near valley]

true

[median beacon]

LETS GO WE ARENT GUTTED YET

[balmy condor]

the "a chance" is like 50/50 or 2/3 from my experience

[near valley]

im still abusing reputation gains that shouldnt be possible

[balmy condor]

it's the worst fucking thing about dragonflight so far

[near valley]

makes sense why a single phial is like 500 gold on my server

[cobalt hemlock]

i thought i was going crazy about how unlucky i am lmao

[near valley]

sry did i say 500?

[signal pier]

all mats are inflated af

[queen slate]

Any %number on dps on the exsan Nerf?

[near valley]

i meant 3000g

smh

[cobalt hemlock]

pins

[hallow sage]

most popular oceanic server btw kekw

[signal pier]

peck the chins

[near valley]

people are just cruel sometimes

[dense cedar]

what psychos don't make their main alchemy

[near valley]

me

[hallow sage]

psychos that are mining/herb and pulling bank per hour

[balmy condor]

people who don't want to triple RNG for recipes

[near valley]

i make my inscription and make pokemon cards

trade u a charizrd for ur bulbasaur kid

[queen slate]

Thanks.

[median beacon]

Anyone else do the artisans rep shit ?

[balmy condor]

you get fucked by bench explosions
you get fucked by chance to learn a recipe
you get fucked by the recipe you learned being useless

holy poggers login

alchemy so sick

3 layers of rng and all of them ass fuck you

[dense cedar]

still is the only profession that'll stay relevant

[hallow sage]

can someone remove all pointy objects from whispyrs house

[near valley]

get fucked is the true lesson of alchemy

[hallow sage]

feel like this man gonna have a bad time soon

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean dont they want crafting profesions to keep up with mythic gear?

[visual slate]

This is rpg, what role am i playing, a fucking victim?

[lavish wing]

so whats the verdict on Exsang nerf, are we still taking it now in our builds?

[tulip nacelle]

will you be my alchemy?

[fleet anchor]

I managed to not get explosions on my second try (or well, I got one early explosion but lucked into the potion of luck right before it.. fortuitous)

[balmy condor]

read a god damn pin before I shove it down your throat

[near valley]

pins hombre

[fleet anchor]

But I still discovered jack shit after like

12 experiments?

This profession is so frustrating

I literally can't make anything useful lol

[lavish wing]

holy s... 😄

[near valley]

i'm praying u can soon

[lavish wing]

alright, alright...

[balmy condor]

I can make potions that don't level me up

[near valley]

can't be dealing with these phial prices