assassination

[dense cedar]

i was with a fucking warrior for infusion

fml

[night delta]

Guarantee pro strats for this key will involve 2 warriors 1 sin

[viral pawn]

I hope they polish the single target and it’s One Awesome Spec!

[dense cedar]

st is fine

wait

what was ur issue exactly

[night delta]

[dense cedar]

i read it as an aoe issue

[viral pawn]

Issue: button management

[dense cedar]

that's uh

[viral pawn]

And cooldown management

[dense cedar]

a skill issue

we have like

[subtle tundra]

This

[dense cedar]

warlock levels of managment

[subtle tundra]

CD management will be real juicy in m+

[dense cedar]

M+ cd i get

[subtle tundra]

Good players will shine

[dense cedar]

but in raid

u just have times where u can't do shit

and have to live with it

[tall cloak]

Is it worth keeping CT up on one target in execute? Assuming you have it

[dense cedar]

not sure couldn't find the information readily

[viral pawn]

Cmon guys stop loosing focus. M+ is great as assa! I’m not talking about M+ but exclusively about ST. The addition of SBS as a empty global additionally to the also feelsbad Exsang makes the spec feel like a glued together version of assa from past 4 expansions. It’s just wild. Managing shiv, sbs, exsang and kingsbane in between your Deathmarks opens room for a lot of potential missplay and makes the spec feel a bit too clunky also you can barely counterplay this because bossmechanics will naturally fuck the the alignment of you CDs.

[viscid spear]

[viral pawn]

SBS bro is the worst 😄

[dense cedar]

sbs rules for raid

its just free damage

[alpine latch]

@subtle tundra in m+ do we CT the boss? I know we did previously but I don't remember seeing anything about that for DF

[viral pawn]

We do

Atleast that’s what vyspir suggests

[alpine latch]

Do you mean whispyr?

[viral pawn]

Yes

[dense cedar]

i see waht ur saying skull

i just

don't agree

it really isn't that bad

[alpine latch]

If you don't like it, check out Sub/Outlaw. but if you're looking for something less complex, I'd suggest checking out DH. They only have like 5 keybinds and you just mash everything as soon as it's ready

[viscid spear]

No, VVh15pyr

[dense cedar]

i'd like dh more if that stupid autoattack talent wasn't good

[coral sierra]

Sin has always been about managing during the rotation, has it not? I like rogue because it’s like trying to perfect playing the piano - difficult at first but when mastered it’s so fluid like and beautiful as opposed to something like a DH or fury warrior.

[dense cedar]

fury is p. fun rn tbf

[alpine latch]

Skulldriver has been typing for 5 minutes. We're about to get a manifesto boys

[dense cedar]

not that many melee's i actually dislike this time around

[coral sierra]

True

[dense cedar]

DH and m shammy is basically it

i usually like shammy tho so kinda unforunate

[viral pawn]

It is not about complexity or „hard to pull off issue“ I’m that kind of person that only leaves the training dummy when in 99/100 cases I feel save with the rotation. It’s just I’ve played UHdk and I can tell you it was one of the main concerns of the community that their spec feels incredibly clunky at one point but BOY that opener of UHdk is a walk in the park compared to Assa opener. The thing is this might also happens with Assa at this point 😄 it feels wrong.. clunky.. not funny for (I’m sure) the majority of Assa players. Eventually not for everyone but having everything locked behind a gcd is overwhelming.

Btw I’m typing on phone that’s why 5min texting ^^

[alpine latch]

Then go play UHDK?

[dense cedar]

wdym the sin opener

[alpine latch]

Most of us who've played Rogue for a long time like it

[dense cedar]

we ignore half our buttons for it

[coral sierra]

It’s not even clunky lol

[alpine latch]

It really isn't

[dense cedar]

like

we basically just play in a finality style

[coral sierra]

Isn’t shadow priest clunky

[alpine latch]

The biggest complexity in our build is vanishing before exsang and exsang before deathmark

Our opener is like 12 abilities, 8 of which are bleeds

[alpine latch]

That's not clunky...

[dense cedar]

yes

[alpine latch]

That's literally any opener with dots that are impacted by Pandemic

[viral pawn]

Well maybe you guys are used to other stuff than ^^
Btw I love Assa in m+ right now (reason why I’ll main rogue all of DF)

[subtle tundra]

Not every class needs to press their cds and start blasting omega dmg

[dense cedar]

how did u find Bfa sin rouge?

cos i'd say 8.3 sin is way clunkier

[subtle tundra]

It's fine to have classes that require prep and setup

[coral sierra]

Yeah sin has always been methodical

[subtle tundra]

And assa has that

[viscid spear]

I guess he means as a melee it feels clunky, idk
Compare it to caster DoT classes like AffLock

[peak bobcat]

Exsang is clunky as fuck

There’s literally one button that makes the spec annoying

[dense cedar]

this doesn't look easier idk

[peak bobcat]

And it’s better than every single talent

[alpine latch]

How is exsang clunky? You just refresh your dots and smash it

[viral pawn]

It is MUCH MUCH easier trust me 😄
It feels less clunky (it also is clunky but less)

[alpine latch]

Maybe it feels less clunky because you've played the class for longer and you're biased?

[peak bobcat]

Clunky in you refresh your dots pre pandemic no matter the situation

It is the outlier to the general rules of the class

[alpine latch]

Sure, every 45s .. but it lines up with ER also so it works out

[peak bobcat]

Yeah I’m not saying it’s insanely complicated

[alpine latch]

ah, yeah - it's a complexity but not overly complex. I follow you on that

[peak bobcat]

It just feels bad to spend empowered combo points on 10 more seconds of rupture instead of a fat envenom

[alpine latch]

I remember hating exsang but playing it in keys I can't for the life of me figure out why I didn't like it lol

[subtle tundra]

I also like it

I didn't like it before I played it

I was scared of it

[dense cedar]

its fine in keys

exsang feels a lot worse in extended fights

[viral pawn]

Yeah I would agree with you but it actually flows better. I mean it could also be an issue with active ability’s and button space on my end.

[dense cedar]

45s/2m fighting eachother

[peak bobcat]

I hate that KB builds have 45 keybinds

[viscid spear]

How dare you use logic

[viral pawn]

At the end it’s not the reason 🤷‍♀️

[ebon patio]

Anyone knows how bad Exsa is affected by ping? Wondering if playing Exsa with ~200 ms is shooting myself in the foot

[peak bobcat]

Not at all

[subtle tundra]

It's just another ability

Not off gcd

[thorn fjord]

Hey kid, I’m a computer… stop all the downloading

[viscid spear]

I feel fine doing the Sin opener and I haven't really played it since the end of SL S3

[viscid spear]

PORKCHOP SANDWICHES

[ebon patio]

Latam life

[tall cloak]

It says on 2+ but I'm wondering if that changes during execute

[viscid spear]

Give him the stick.
DON'T GIVE HIM THE STICK

[alpine latch]

Previously we'd use CT on bosses in m+. But I can't see a definitive answer for DF yet. I probably just overlooked it though

[viscid spear]

God I have to watch those again
I also need to start leveling Ash

[viral pawn]

Yes but you’re not everyone /:
Let’s stop arguing here.. I see, we wont find a common denominator on this one ^^

[tacit otter]

afaik varas said couple days ago, we do. except during kb then we prio envenom

[hardy dagger]

[alpine latch]

which makes sense

[viscid spear]

I mean you're complaining about a spec in the spec channel with people that have played the spec for (probably) long swaths of time.
So ofc you're not going to go uncontested.

[alpine latch]

I wish Exsang impacted CT, lol

[thorn fjord]

Prio adds don’t even stay alive long enough for exsang to really do anything right now anyways

[subtle tundra]

it does tho

[peak bobcat]

I wish CT exsanged rupture

[subtle tundra]

go away

[alpine latch]

It does? I thought it only impacted rupture and garrote

[peak bobcat]

It does all bleeds

[alpine latch]

ah, perfect

[subtle tundra]

works on deathmark why wouldnt it work for ct

[alpine latch]

Oh fuck I'm thinking of IC only working on rupture/garrote

Don't mind me, I'm just dumb

I really need to sleep ... The earliest I went to bed this week was 1:30 and I've been waking up around 6 every day

[cunning locust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[coral sierra]

if you are LW, are you liking it this expac? I traditionally just go Alchemy/Engineering

[viscid spear]

So much to skin though

[alpine latch]

I've made good money with LW so far

[viscid spear]

Skinning as a Mage can be strange to others

Also you can skin the phoenixes in Neltharus

[low flint]

great

cool, let's go i will play it then 😄

[spare igloo]

Going from frost mage to assassination makes me feel like I'm trash 😄

[viscid spear]

It's Bizarro me

[spice spire]

It is

[viscid spear]

There can be only one

[spare igloo]

Are there any videos for this spec pve, or is it all novella

[spice spire]

Novella, videos get outdated pretty quickly, so it doesn’t make sense to spend all that time

Just for tuning to happen and you have to remake it.
Or a new optimization is found, etc.

[spare igloo]

Makes sense ty

[outer cairn]

dtb did feel smoother in the dungeon

maybe just accustomed to playing w/out IC cuz of SL

[night delta]

hitting those big carnages on 8-packs feels awesome

[outer cairn]

yeah that it does

if the tank pulls enough lol

[alpine latch]

We're all trash, get used to it

[outer cairn]

rogue = trash

outlaw = bottom barrel

[night delta]

yeah I've been carefully training my guildmate tank, who i'll do most of my M+ with, to pull big every other pack and pull low the rest 😄

[alpine latch]

We don't support grooming here

[outer cairn]

yeah i'm sure team tank will pull bigger. mainly these been pugs so either new or just being careful. i haven't really been slamming DM or Vanish on these 0s cuz shit just dies so fast, but I think once we start getting stuff that actually lives for a bit, will help with learning timings

[next edge]

WOuldnt you say....

its... Blizzardo to me?

[viscid spear]

[woven ruin]

Are there any weeklies besides the Citadel and 4x rep ones at this point?

[outer cairn]

profession weeklies

from expedition

[cerulean nest]

in m+ when you're opening on a single target, do you still wait to envenom after KB or do you mutilate in the opener to get an envenom rolling before shiv/KB

[candid quarry]

How does Garrote dmg work if u open with one from stealth, then u reapply normal garrote

does that do less dmg?

[cerulean nest]

let the stealth garrotes run out fully before reapplying a normal one

[slim hamlet]

yep

[candid quarry]

ok thx

[outer cairn]

yeah don't overwrite an empowered garrote

also don't overwrite an exsanguinated bleed

[past harbor]

are there any pvp sin guides out there yet

[outer cairn]

palumor has one that i saw a few days ago

[dense cedar]

How is it suggested we use Algeth'ar Puzzle Box?

just pre-pull it?

[past harbor]

u da goat

[outer cairn]

I was the cow, but I went back to Orc. Prefer the xmog better

[past harbor]

oh looks like it's sub not sin

[outer cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ApuBh3FMZc

granted its 3 weeks old

but

[fathom viper]

it's also for pre 70

[outer cairn]

didn't watch it. just saw it on my homepage one day

[velvet ridge]

I'm scared as how I'm gonna bind all these keys, haven't gotten 2 daggers yet. Can't wait though

[gusty mirage]

Cobalt Assembly Ring is fixed, everyone rejoice

[alpine latch]

You can buy 343s

[alpine latch]

What was broken with it?

[gusty mirage]

the damage proc wasn't proccing

[alpine latch]

lol

[gusty mirage]

well it was

just not for rogues, ferals, hunters, or warriors

[alpine latch]

Did they fix the stupid strafe bug yet?

I'll take a broken ring proc over strafe bug

[zinc kelp]

I just reload ui when i see the strafe issue.

[alpine latch]

Reloading the UI never worked for me

[signal pier]

what's the strafe issue?

[alpine latch]

Strafe just literally won't work

[signal pier]

i think i might have had it but idk if its the same issue

like pressing WA/WD?

[gusty mirage]

dragon riding bug

[alpine latch]

yup

[gusty mirage]

remount on the dragon and it fixes

[signal pier]

oh I had that issue and it drove me wild

[alpine latch]

I think it happens when you accept a queue while dragon riding

[signal pier]

I was like, am i tripping

[forest acorn]

If rupture and kb are coming off cooldown around the same time should I hold kb like in opener? Feels hard to maintain them at the same time if casting kb first

Also if exsang off cd soon should I hold vanish / dm so I don’t have to overwrite empowered garrote?

[spice spire]

Can I ?

[alpine latch]

No, not you

Everyone else can though

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

If you have time before rupture fully falls off probably envenom->Kb->shiv

[gusty mirage]

maybe

[spice spire]

Sick

Now we grind for it

[hollow river]

Holy pog

[oak sky]

Was it doing more before

[gusty mirage]

it was doing nothing before

it wasn't working for feral, rogue, warrior, or hunter

[gusty mirage]

reading is hard

so I have to repeat myself

apparently

[alpine latch]

daaaamn

[oak sky]

Oh right i remember hearing about that

Because of casts or something

[alpine latch]

I mean he literally just said it like 3 minutes ago

Maybe you heard about it there?

[oak sky]

More like a few days ago

[alpine latch]

lol

Yeah, was more than likely just missing a flag and only proccing on cast

[night delta]

I accepted a tp to dungeon while dragon racing

[spice spire]

Mistake

[alpine latch]

Never accept a TP

Make them wait

[night delta]

Dragon racing sorry

I mean a tp from queued dungeon

[spice spire]

But yeah my strafe got fucked too

[alpine latch]

No need to apologize for dragon racing. We all have our faults

[night delta]

As in get into instance

[spice spire]

And I was wondering if it was skill issue

[night delta]

I did not get a strafe bug

[oak sky]

wait the ring is 389

[night delta]

Instead I got inside the instance

[oak sky]

isnt that gonna get replaced like day 1

[balmy condor]

M0 is 372

[night delta]

And then ported to bumfuck nowhere inside the instance for failing the race

[alpine latch]

Awesome - but I don't know what to tell you. It was definitely bugged, maybe it wasn't perma bugged

[oak sky]

normal raid is 389 minimum no?

[night delta]

Falling stuck loop

[alpine latch]

lol

[balmy condor]

Think so yeah

[night delta]

Awful

[alpine latch]

Like Loki in Infinity War... nice

[spice spire]

It’s a nice in to raid tho. Does a ton of dam

[oak sky]

i already got a crit mastery m0 and crit haste m0 ring

not bad

[alpine latch]

Is it safe to trust top gear sims yet?

Or should we give it a bit more time?

[balmy condor]

It’s always safe

[spice spire]

I’m gonna keep myself safe

[night delta]

It isn't

[balmy condor]

[night delta]

You could die

Don't toy with reality

[past belfry]

is there a way to have a single macro for Mut or ambush when blindside is active?

[oak sky]

not recommended

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[balmy condor]

This is a thing

Which is shit

[past belfry]

hah

okay, I'm just runnin outta keybinds

thanks!

[wheat seal]

What is the Stat Priority in PvP for Rogue Versa Haste?

[cerulean nest]

anyone?

[primal wedge]

Check assassin faq

It explains it really nicely

[gusty mirage]

vers mastery

[viscid spear]

Better than Frost FAQ
Which is just "go to this website, loser"

[signal pier]

I followed step by step with what's on that video, it is not working, not casting either mutilate or ambush just swapping their icons on my action bar

[cerulean nest]

it doesn't address what I'm referring to. I know the env logic with KB, but in the m+ pack opener you env after KB, and I'm wondering if that's still the case on a ST with the m+ build or not

[balmy condor]

So you’re opening on a single target

[wheat seal]

tha nks

[celest helm]

The rogue discord is 500x better than the dh disco

[balmy condor]

This is the single target opener

[celest helm]

Its haste vers

[gusty mirage]

no it's not

it used to be vers haste

[celest helm]

According to nessper it is

[balmy condor]

Who?

[cerulean nest]

ah, the vanish into garrote for CP

[gusty mirage]

you don't need haste

[cerulean nest]

that makes sense

[celest helm]

3400 rogue, like 15 rank 1s lol

[viscid spear]

Eating a cupcake is better than falling down 25 sets of stairs, what's your point

[celest helm]

@spare cave

[cerulean nest]

I've been holding vanish in that case to refresh garrote within DM

but I guess I won't

[gusty mirage]

what do you get out of the haste, faster attack speeds and slightly faster dot tics?

[balmy condor]

Nah like who cares?

#pvp

[celest helm]

It was asked here no need to be rude

[spare cave]

HEY

[trim dirge]

haste seems so bad though

[spare cave]

o i do pve things too man....

Smoge

[celest helm]

Discussion on stat prio got brought up round 500 lol

[viscid spear]

stat arguments?

[spare cave]

its just vers vs player

[gusty mirage]

it's a pvp argument

[subtle tundra]

pvp players

[spare cave]

pvp gear too vers heavy

[gusty mirage]

of course they argue about stats

[celest helm]

LOL not wrong oxi

[spare cave]

get as much vers as u can

[celest helm]

Pvpers will argue anything

[spare cave]

take w/e amount of haste you can get

if u cant get haste, get mastery

[balmy condor]

I’m equipping a fist weapon for the +50 mastery

[spare cave]

can u do that assassin now?

or do u mean as sub

[past belfry]

is it normal to be feeling pretty energy starved?

[balmy condor]

No that was the cringe sub thing

[celest helm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[balmy condor]

Cause apparently like 0.5% finisher damage > free combo points in pvp

[spare cave]

correct

sub design just has too many free cp anyways

[balmy condor]

Stupid game mode lmao

[spare cave]

idk i think sub is the only stupid part of rogue pvp

pure dogshit design

promotes toxic gameplay

cant be balanced

[silk bane]

youre not enjoying the ER one shot with resets? 😮 visible gasp! but its so balanced and not toxic

[balmy condor]

Yeah, it’s sub that promotes toxic gameplay

For sure

[silk bane]

I can just see sub getting the shadowlands season1 treatment. getting literally all the wrong things gutted and become a stun bot for mages with their auto attacks being their highest dos source lul

[gusty mirage]

anyway

#pvp

[silk bane]

fair

[spare cave]

df outlaw is the most well designed pvp spec of all time

jcp the guy was right

he knew all along

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

PVC the lad

[spare cave]

and assassin is actually more powerful than sub

in high rated pvp

it is not very close

i will leave with my pvp discussion now good talk men

[silk bane]

df outlaw with dust was the most fun I had in shadowlands pvp for sure.

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

To be fair you're in the right channel because you assassinated the discussion prior to your arrival

[silk bane]

is this copium? or u are referring to when sub eventually gets gutted?

[dense cedar]

does no dagger this tier have mastery on it?

[spare cave]

nah im dead serious

high rated arena meta will be assassin rogue

everywhere

4 poisons is too good

too much passive control over the game

on demand 60% slow and 18% global slow

how does anyone play

[oak sky]

cant they negate a lot of our damage with evoker/dwarf

not really a pvper

just curious

[spare cave]

i mean yeah

but you can always reapply your bleeds

or wait to deathmark to punish preemptive usage of said cds

[oak sky]

yeah thats fair

one of those pvp chess game situations

[spare cave]

assassin dmg isnt uptime reliant

like 60-70% of your damage still happens even if you aren't on the target

[silk bane]

idk dude on beta it was litearlly kill the rogue meta every game. unless there was a warrior. then kill the warrior instead...

[spare cave]

uh

sec leme find my beta solo shuf stats

i have it somewhere

[spare cave]

found it

just dont get hit 4head

you have a ranged slow and higher movespeed

[silk bane]

sheeeeeesh thats pretty pog dude. Im lowkey pretty excited for it. Now all we need is for SBS/Sepsis to not be actually worthless and we chilling. Lowkey hate getting mutil/ambush talents in pvp

[spare cave]

i enjoy them

i think blindside is fun

feels good to have a 0 energy filler proc

[silk bane]

yeah free ambush is the only part i like. the other points I feel are super wasted

[spare cave]

that does relevant dmg

[silk bane]

its basically + 7 energy

[spare cave]

yeah but worth imo

[oak sky]

blindside has been really fun in pve forever

its just really unfortunate we couldnt play it much last expac

[spare cave]

pvp is just pve with obstacles

[vestal wren]

with sub you mean subterfuge, i agree lets get rid of that ability

[spare cave]

same game

no i mean shadow dance (fun cooldown based utility spell)

is now a buff sub rogue keeps up

its not a cooldown

its a modifier you stack with your other modifiers

as soon as they added cdr to shadow dance

sub rogue was doomed to balance purgatory

where you're either going to be laughably overpowered or totally useless

and nowhere inbetween

terrible design

[viscid spear]

Everyone follow Demon Hunters and Evokers and have two specs

[vestal wren]

so rogue should have subtlety and outlaw?

[spare cave]

nopers

[silk bane]

subs just so different from every other spec in the game. they have pretty much oln demand lockdown for everyone. if they also cna kill you during that lockdown then its giga broken, if not then theyre a stun bot for mages. hard ti balance it

[gusty mirage]

close

outlaw and outlaw

[rugged warren]

can i use a dagger and fist weapon or does it have to be 2 daggers for mutilate

[gusty mirage]

2 daggers

[rugged warren]

:pain:

[night iris]

How far ahead is IC over DTB in M+, and is it still that big on small pulls?

[eager solstice]

I have a feeling dtb is low key better

[night iris]

Is low key better or in low key better

[subtle tundra]

feelcrafting

[viscid spear]

More like Outlaw and Inchaos

[oak sky]

ic/kb good

[spice spire]

IC/KB very good

I may have been cooking with skipping KB for SbS for like 4 mythics last night (it was not worth it)

[night iris]

I heard that KB is good ST but bad aoe, DTB bit in between and IC good aoe bad ST. So taking both KB and IC is that much better than DTB?

[spice spire]

It’s a couple percent

Just takes some getting used to

[pine grove]

DtB build on wowhead skips SbS, but the opener still lists it as part of the opening set. Which is generally the way?

[balmy condor]

If you aren’t talented into it

Skip it

[night iris]

I just feel like I will use IC garrote and rupture, and then my WW friend deletes the pack of enemies

On the content available now

[dark token]

yall hard sleeping on DTB its equal atm for m+/ST and within 1% with tier. definitely deserves a build mention in faq

[spice spire]

There’s legitimately like 8+ viable builds.

[thorn fjord]

DTB behind 1.1k in ST for me

i need daggers -_-

[spice spire]

Same

343 crafted for me rn

[thorn fjord]

2 eons for me lol

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Lets run heroics tonight brehhhh

[spice spire]

Buy the drafted ones

[thorn fjord]

I'll just run outlaw

[spice spire]

Yeah provided I don’t get yoinked I’d love to

[plucky thistle]

Why Assa feel so energy hungry or i missing haste? I have 11% haste and i feel out of energy more than in Shadowlands?

[spice spire]

(I won’t get yoinked)

[thorn fjord]

Perf my chick is going out tonight so i'll be available... prob to rep grind when i get home

[spice spire]

The dude I was going to run with was so pissed at me last night

[thorn fjord]

lol

[spice spire]

If you can be on a little later, that’ll be good. I’m getting home at the same time, but doing a more in depth dinner with Val tonight. So I’ll probably be on closer to 10 your time

Hope you’re off on the weekends

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i'll be on from like 630 till 1ish am lol

[subtle tundra]

[thorn fjord]

You should come too @subtle tundra 👀

stabby boi party

[spice spire]

Varas is EU

[rotund linden]

is there a good pvp sin build out there i can use? anyone know?

[thorn fjord]

duh right

[spice spire]

I’m sure there is, but that’s more #pvp

[thorn fjord]

One was posted earlier this week... might be on wowhead

[rotund linden]

oh i didnt see the pvp section sorry!

[spice spire]

No worries homie!

[rugged warren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[compact siren]

Hey all sorry if this is a dumb question or has been asked a heap of times! I was wondering why haste is now a stat we aren’t to concerned about from my memory haste was our best stat in previous expansions.

[granite ermine]

is this 100% accurate or is there a better spreadsheet loadout

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[oak sky]

bis gear does not really exist, those are just good gear pieces

[thorn fjord]

Should be relatively on point

[oak sky]

sim all upgrades

[thorn fjord]

but yeah what Agreon said

[granite ermine]

ok i meant bis meaning the best gear i could get

[oak sky]

for this week? pretty much

[alpine latch]

BiS gear does exist, but unless you know of a way to specifically get every single piece of gear you want out of the vault, it's best to just sim whatever you got

[oak sky]

cobalt assembly ring is also very good

[alpine latch]

CAR ring only takes likes 45 minutes to get, also

Slower than a m0 but guaranteed loot

[granite ermine]

ok ill swap out the Mecha for the CAR ring if im focusing on DF stuff only

[subtle tundra]

the 389 one?

[oak sky]

yeah it works now

[thorn fjord]

Its also alot of fun to farm once you have a ton of buffs

was doing 300k on packs

[subtle tundra]

its like 2-3 hour farm

[alpine latch]

A guildie farmed it solo last night in an hour and a half

We had a 2x4 group pre-nerf and it took us like 20 minutes. Bunch of us kept grabbing powers til we got the map power and it basically does 50% of their hp in damage

[thorn fjord]

pew pew\

[nimble tartan]

its def more so a 20-40 min farm just join a group

[subtle tundra]

definetly isnt after the nerf

[thorn fjord]

Its still not awful

[distant fog]

I got in right before the nerf

[lost goblet]

When's the proper time to use the puzzle box trinket btw? the cast time is weird

[gleaming oasis]

Hey

[nimble tartan]

ohhh they nerfed it omg

[grand trail]

i know people were asking about crafted gear, i was wondering whats best buy right now? weapon or smg else?

[outer cairn]

Wouldn't buy anything until after pushing through some M+ honestly

[thorn fjord]

pre pull and before DM i would assume

Pre pull for sure

But i dont know the logic too well for sin

For outlaw the idea right now is pre pull and outside of ADR

[grand trail]

darkmoon rime sims pretty bad, sham,e

[hasty vale]

Is the toxified armor patch good for us to add to our armor?

I legit cant find any info on what it does.

[night delta]

it enhances certain leatherworking-crafted pieces' bonus effect

[hasty vale]

Ya whats the bonus effect.

I cant find that info lol.

[night delta]

it's on the affected pieces

they're in the decayed patterns section

[next arch]

Anyone else getting unstealthed in brackenhide constantly?

[night delta]

these have effects that are doubled if you have another crafted piece with a toxified armor patch

[night delta]

happened to me and another one in the 1st boss arena

didn't happen after though for me

[raw tusk]

hows assas in dungeons right now

[dense cedar]

fun and doing well

[raw tusk]

Ive been outlaw for a while but always liked assasination. happy to see it doing well single target so might try it out in keys.

[royal lantern]

how do we get embellishments btw?

crafted by profs?

[oblique wasp]

I am struggling with IC build in current heroics etc - when I got with DTB it is nice gameplay but when I go with IC build I am extremely energy-starved despite multidotting etc, ca it be that I have shit gear and bad secondaries so far?

[dense cedar]

idk waht to say

I haven't really had any energy issues during my M0 clears

[oak sky]

you should never have energy issues with IC unless you have instant poison equipped

should always be deadly

[floral torrent]

do you have the point in venomous wounds?

[dense cedar]

i mean not one uses instant

[subtle tundra]

bad secondaries arent a thing

[subtle tundra]

you probably have instant poison

[oblique wasp]

No, in ic i go deadly and numb

[spice spire]

I have. My haste is nonexistent tho.
Still doing decent damage for ilvl because my stuff hits hard

[dense cedar]

im at like 9% i think

logged out rn

[spice spire]

5%

[dense cedar]

oh u got like

1 piece with haste

[spice spire]

630 total haste

[dense cedar]

lol

[spice spire]

But yeah I’m AoE no issues

[oak sky]

i have like 7%

lmaoo

[spice spire]

But ST or even 2t

I’m rocking a casual 26% crit or some shit

[signal pier]

so im getting 0 loot, and then suddenly

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

[upper swift]

In the FAQ it says to use KB before shiv. Why?

[oak sky]

Timing Kingsbane, Shiv, and Envenom can be very tricky. The general rule is you want to have the Envenom buff up before using Kingsbane, then use Shiv, then Kingsbane. This however can get complicated quick, especially in openers. If you delay Kingsbane until after the Shiv, the full Kingsbane does not fit into Deathmark, which means less poison applications. If you shiv first, then Kingsbane, then Envenom, you also lose poison applications from the downtime of the buff. All of these variants are micro-adjustments that have no perceivable impact on your DPS, but we recommend this order because it keeps Vanish/Deathmark/Kingsbane slightly closer together timing wise.

this is from the faq

btw

[upper swift]

omg i see it now thx

[thorn fjord]

NEED DAGGERSSSSSSS https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6EYF6q47CAXCnCWZRpLmZx

[outer lodge]

yes i was too lol

[dark token]

laugh at this user

[thorn fjord]

Got these tho

[lost goblet]

So what rogue spec is best for m+ atm?=

[strange python]

outlaw prob

even do sub is nuts 2

[signal pier]

so i got my 3rd dagger

[royal lantern]

can rogue even use that trinket?

or is it pet classes only

tooltip is weird

[peak bobcat]

It works

Gives mastery I think for us

[royal lantern]

so the effect is just "pets change the proc"

ok

[thorn fjord]

Ofc it gives mastery

Everything is mastery mastery mastery

Zzzzz

[peak bobcat]

Mastery bis

So its fine

Where do the daggers drop at

[thorn sierra]

sry whats best stats for assas rn?

just got a crit mastery ring

[royal lantern]

well

crit mastery

[celest helm]

All are good but outlaw and assass are best options

[stable magnet]

Is thistle tea not a good idea for last 6 secons of kingsbane in the opener?

[idle radish]

my elvui aura bars are showing other rogue bleeds too, how to fix? its some filter

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[stiff frost]

instant or deadly for leveling

[fleet whale]

Deadly

[stiff frost]

👍

[gray hazel]

What crafted gear should we go for? I dont think i see it anywhere on the FAQ or wowhead

[lofty bluff]

a few people were saying neck

I think whispyr included

because it can get up to 3 sockets I thinK?

[warm canopy]

What was wrong with the cobalt assembly ring?

[spice spire]

It wasn’t proccing for rogue warrior hunter or feral

It is now fixed

[warm canopy]

Oh nice

[lilac haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[slim hamlet]

It doesn't

If you're talking about the one with proc

[gray hazel]

Ok thanks! Do you know what its called?

[slim hamlet]

I believe it's the elemental lariat

But it's not obtainable yet

99% sure the recipe comes from the primal storms

[gray hazel]

Gotcha. Ive been told we need a crafted item for raid, and realized i have done 0 reading on it hah

[slim hamlet]

I believe I saw Whispyr and some others talk about weapons and some pieces of normal leather might be worth it too

But Necklace is the general go too it seems

[teal iris]

depends if you're crafting for prog or long term/gold value no?

[empty hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[slim hamlet]

Probably, a lot are also going weapon for immediate progression

[gusty mirage]

^

better weapon is the biggest deeps gain for a melee

so a lot of people are opting for that

[teal iris]

is there a good guide to explain how it actually works for non crafters? like is max ilvl this week 388 or something? and can you upgrade it?

[slim hamlet]

Ilvl depends on the crafters skill

[gusty mirage]

tldr: ilvl is based on quality & infusion ingredients

and quality is based on crafter's skill

& qual of mats

[slim hamlet]

Yeah, so might be worth to buy the big quality items

[slim hamlet]

And also wait as long as possible

[gusty mirage]

essentially those things determine the biggest gain in ilvl

[slim hamlet]

for the gamers to lvl

[gusty mirage]

if I had to guess they come from raid

[teal iris]

so when crafting that gear you want to find someone with high skill and use custom orders?

[gusty mirage]

yea

you can set minimum quality when placing the orders

and the crafters go to their bench and can search public orders

[teal iris]

[gusty mirage]

yeah the work order system is overly confusing

for no reason lmao

[teal iris]

do you need sparks when upgrading the piece later on?

[gusty mirage]

that I'm not sure about

@wild lantern do you have answer

🙂

[slim hamlet]

All other items needs to be used again

Might be a special case with the spark tho I'm not hoping for it tho

[wild lantern]

did you actually change my name

[gusty mirage]

I did not

[wild lantern]

I don't believe so, no. There's a few wowhead guides on this:

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/professions/recrafting-system

[teal iris]

Oh yea

"For example, in order to craft a Epic Quality piece of gear, you are required to spend a Spark of Ingenuity. This item is time-gated and players will only receive one about every two weeks. Without Recrafting, if a player wanted to modify their item's stats, item level or quality, they would have to spend another Spark of Ingenuity to make a whole new item. This is no longer the case in Dragonflight. This means that crafted gear that is made at the start of the expansion can still be relevant later on, saving the player time and gold."

Very nice

[wild lantern]

🙂

Not to shill wowhead but... right now we're the absolute best on profession guides

I highly suggest reading through them, almost all questions get answered

and we're adding and editing every day!

[carmine sky]

kingsbane is kinda nutty

[upbeat hazel]

do i envenom at max-1 or max

[balmy condor]

All finishers at max-1

[upbeat hazel]

ty

[slim hamlet]

Yeah can't do it at max

Only -1 if you get max you gotta relog

[solid mica]

What resource are you referring to?

[lime briar]

why not max?

[lofty bluff]

dont we get another matrix on raid release?

err

spark of ingenuity*?

[strange python]

Spark of ingenuity. Mat required to craft epic gear. Then there's other mats required based on ilvl

Seems like he's confirming if you craft a 382 piece you won't need another spark to recraft it at 418, for example.

I will be waiting for fuu/whispyr to tell me if the snowball set is bait before I craft anything tho

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure it's every 2 weeks

aka not until the reset after

or wait

am I mathing?

[dense herald]

Yeah that’s my confusion - is it worth using a spark now for a 382 piece when it’s such a scarce resource? Spent it always be better to hold onto them until you can get the highest ilvl pieces possible?

[teal iris]

wowhead confirmed that you dont need another spark to recraft the same piece at higher ilvl

so i guess the only big mistake you can make is to craft an item you dont want to upgrade later

[lofty bluff]

I wouldnt craft until raid day

[gusty mirage]

ye p sure its every 2 weeks

[dense herald]

Oh that’s actually so good to know ty rui

[teal iris]

btw the 389 proc ring is simming worse for me than a 369 ring both on st and slice, is that right?

[grim tangle]

it has the stats of a 330 ring

[teal iris]

yea but I assumed the proc would be good since everyone is farming it

is it just overhyped?

[gusty mirage]

the proc is good

[teal iris]

if the proc is good shouldnt it sim the same or better than a normal ring at the same ilvl?

or is it not simming correctly

[strange python]

Depends how confident you are on that piece being good

[gusty mirage]

considering that it wasn't working properly in game until this morning

[strange python]

I haven't seen any TCs really put the time in to evaluate the items tbh

[gusty mirage]

it might not be simming properly

[strange python]

Snowball set could be bait if the "or heal" portion is bigger than anticipated, decayed set could be good if "100% stronger" craft functions well, etc

[grim tangle]

I think the ring sims properly, the proc just isn't worth 30 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

interesting

[teal iris]

yea I just checked and it sims higher than a 330 ring

by like 100 dps

and 300 dps lower than a 369 crit haste ring

[gusty mirage]

run a quick sim and check the damage

should be somewhere between 3-5% of your damage

[teal iris]

it's 0.4%

1 proc

[gusty mirage]

are you simming it nightly

or weekly

[teal iris]

oh thats weekly, sec

aah

[gusty mirage]

yeah they hotfixed super recently

so it won't appear in the weekly

[teal iris]

let me compare again

ah so on ST it's identical to a 369 ring

same on aoe actually

-14 dps

guess I'm not gonna bother grinding that out

[gusty mirage]

if they didn't nerf it I woulda said do it anyway

but after nerf

ehhhhh

[teal iris]

2 hrs of grinding just to inflate ilvl

[gusty mirage]

also scales rewards from rares and stuff tho

[teal iris]

true

do you know what the breakpoint to get 372s from rares is?

[gusty mirage]

I can confirm its higher than 361

cause I did the chest in chromie time area

got a 369 piece lol

[teal iris]

yea its higher than 365

or 366 cant remember what i got to

that said its not like getting full 372 matters anyway

its all worthless come m+ week

[gusty mirage]

ye

that's my perspective on it

[tropic quiver]

I tried to search for discussion on trinket but didnt find anything crazy.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=200563/primal-ritual-shell?bonus=7935

You get Mastery by default - looks p good... wonder how it stacks vs the wind bottle or agi trinket

[gusty mirage]

I would sim it

I had it, pretty good uptime

idk what the other trinkets are tbh

[tropic quiver]

sorry was referring to these:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193697/bottle-of-spiraling-winds?bonus=7974
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193743/irideus-fragment?bonus=7974

i will sim it though

[quaint sequoia]

downtime again for eu -.-

[slim hamlet]

Hopefully alchemy will be a profession when it's up again

[lofty bluff]

okay how about offhand versus neck

for assassin?

[slim hamlet]

offhand?

[lofty bluff]

for second crafted item

[slim hamlet]

Probably depends on your guild

I won't be crafting weapons, at least not 2

Because I'm the only agi dagger user in our setup

[whole herald]

not even sure why

[slim hamlet]

Maintenance

[whole herald]

isnt downtime usually midweek?

[slim hamlet]

Until 4 AM server time

[whole herald]

obviously

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but prob needs to fix stuff

Alchemy for example have been useless for 24 hours

[whole herald]

how so

[balmy condor]

I would like to do some alchemy

[quaint sequoia]

atleast it's not 8am like release night

[balmy condor]

They disabled experiments

So you can’t learn any new recipes

[whole herald]

experi- what

[balmy condor]

So my progression is softlocked

[whole herald]

havnt touched that shit in ages

so you cant craft?

[slim hamlet]

Experiments is a "recipe"

New thing

[whole herald]

ah

[balmy condor]

You have to experiment for new recipes

[whole herald]

thats sweet

when it works lol

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[balmy condor]

It also blows up your bench sometimes and goes on a 4 hour cooldown

[slim hamlet]

Until you realize you can fail the experiemtn

locking you for 4 hours

yep

[balmy condor]

But people were logging out and back in

[whole herald]

lmao what

[balmy condor]

And that reset

[slim hamlet]

and then instantly failing after 4 hours

And just sit there forever because skill issue i guess

[balmy condor]

6 times in a row

For me

[slim hamlet]

Actually the worst thing

Give a grace period please

[balmy condor]

I stayed up till 5am waiting for my experiment and insta failed it

[quaint sequoia]

is it random chance or can you look up ''safe'' things

[balmy condor]

After insta failing the last 5 times as well

Imagine

[whole herald]

this is basically legion rng level

[balmy condor]

5am to 5am

[slim hamlet]

I just form other stuff while waiting

[balmy condor]

24 hours

I fail

Every single one

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue

[balmy condor]

I took a 4 hour sleep in the middle

[whole herald]

💀

[balmy condor]

Woke up in time

Failed it, 2 hour nap

Then herbed

Failed it

God fuck

[whole herald]

bros dedicated

[slim hamlet]

Is there even a way to not fail

[grizzled jay]

yeah i am dying tbh. i've experimented and the only thing i've leared is the fucking Invis and Gust pot.

fuck off blizzard

[balmy condor]

It’s pure rng

[slim hamlet]

None of the stats help with ti right

Yeah

[balmy condor]

My first set I went 5 with no fail then I failed the next 6

[grizzled jay]

the only thing that helps you is if you get the debuff for experimenting too much you just drink some liquid courage

[slim hamlet]

I've only learned an inspiration and versa phial

Epic

[quaint sequoia]

so pure rng with 4h cd if unlucky to get recipes

no thanks

[grizzled jay]

vers phial at least you can make and use

Gust is the worst item they've ever made

[quaint sequoia]

I'm buying pots and flasks instead

[slim hamlet]

Tbh I didn't fail for my first like 30

But didn't get jack shit

[balmy condor]

I’m waiting

[grizzled jay]

its actually all garbage so far

[slim hamlet]

Then I failed like 8/10 of the next ones

[grizzled jay]

EotS is good for exactly Guardian tanks in M+ lmao

[slim hamlet]

Can you craft the pots that makes you able to insta experiment?

Or is it always just a random extra

[balmy condor]

Not that I know of

[grizzled jay]

its random

liquid courage you mean?

[slim hamlet]

I think so

Can't see because of EU xd

[grizzled jay]

it doesn't make you insta experiment. it just removes the debuff if you proc experiment too many times in a row.

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I meant instantly be able to do it again

[grizzled jay]

ye

[slim hamlet]

But it feels bugged

[grizzled jay]

its a random drop from scout packs and other stuff in the world

[slim hamlet]

Every time I used it I insta failed again

or it was just ultimate unluck session

[balmy condor]

WHY IS MY PROFESSION SOFTLOCKED BLIZZARD

[grizzled jay]

cause people were abusing an exploit to learn every recipe in like 1 hour

[balmy condor]

Yes thank you

[scarlet sequoia]

np

[grizzled jay]

yw

always here to help

[balmy condor]

Yeah that was my worry

[torn atlas]

Which phial is even the one we want? Each seems kinda useful in certain situations, but not generic best. Which I guess is what they're aiming for.

[trim zinc]

how much u gotta wait?? im at same thing ;-;

[balmy condor]

Gotta wait until blizzard fixes the bug and re-enables

[balmy condor]

The corrupting one is probably gonna end up being the best because you can’t get uptime on static

But if the uptime on corrupting isn’t good, you would run ice

[idle radish]

is there any reason to worry about renown on alts

i cant think of one

[slim hamlet]

besides professions no

[trim zinc]

sadge lol

[slim hamlet]

No

Thank god

[static glacier]

any real downside to spamming bone spike on st vs using when it'd cap?

[slim hamlet]

You just use when you're low on energy or it's about to cap

[idle radish]

i feel like i should wait to open my weekly treasure chest on my alt till im geared yeah?

[slim hamlet]

Experiment still not working sadge

[muted ridge]

Huuuuuuuuuuuhhhh???

[sonic spire]

whispyr complained to much we no longer have to take exsang

[slim hamlet]

well there we go

Now it's not even a talent anymore!!

[muted ridge]

Wtf

Am i reading

[spice spire]

Guess what

[slim hamlet]

rip fast wq's and side quests

[spice spire]

It’s still the best talent you can take

L bozos

[brisk lily]

how hard did this get nerfed?

[spice spire]

Pretty hard

[slim hamlet]

Now it just feels 20x times worse than what it already did

cant wait

[spice spire]

But it’s still good enough to take

[brisk lily]

im unsure of how sin works

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

It’s a good start

[brisk lily]

bless

[slim hamlet]

I understand the duration change

[brisk lily]

does sin have cdr like outlaw? or no

[slim hamlet]

No

[spice spire]

Does not

[slim hamlet]

That is like the worst 3 min cd in the game by far now thne

[sullen mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[whole herald]

wait isnt his killing assa rogue?

[slim hamlet]

No we were overtuned

[whole herald]

well i never saw a single assa rogue being really broken in any way before the nerf lol

[spice spire]

No

Also it was simming like 100k St it was a little on the high side

[teal bloom]

I haven't ever been so happy about a nerf

[spice spire]

Not quite, but close

[bronze pike]

this

[spice spire]

You still take it, L bozo

[bronze pike]

atmost this nerf will put sin inline with sub or outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Problem is

[spice spire]

(This is a meme, none of you are bozos)

[whole herald]

idk it felt kinda underwhelming before and now its even worse

[slim hamlet]

It looks nice, we dont take exsang (hopefully)

[bronze pike]

but stil lexsang gutted

[slim hamlet]

But wtf do we take instead

everything else is boring or sucks anyways

[near nacelle]

ikr

[spice spire]

We still take Exsang apparently

[balmy condor]

it was stronger than kingsbane

[bronze pike]

i would imagine you take the thing that sucks less

and tbh

would yall even miss exsang?

[spice spire]

Whíspyr been cooking some sims

[bronze pike]

considering everything

[balmy condor]

the new font sucks

just btw

[bronze pike]

u dont like sans

[whole herald]

im not doubting the strength of the spell. the whole class never really performed in any content i did so far

[spice spire]

I’m not on PC yet so I’m used to same old same old

[spice spire]

Only comic

[hollow vault]

exsang gang...

[slim hamlet]

Exsang enjoyers is in absolute shambles

[muted ridge]

Man I really liked Exsang

[hollow vault]

huge same

[whole herald]

wait when is the nerf even rolling out?

[slim hamlet]

This has to be one of the biggest individual ability nerfs ever

[sonic spire]

no more :c

[reef frigate]

Noooo, i like exsang 😦

[slim hamlet]

2 min 15 seconds and 20% off

[spice spire]

Exsang haters in shambles, you still take it L bozos get real

[slim hamlet]

True tbh

Now it just feels even fucking worse

xd

[misty holly]

I even gave Exang a premium keybind slot right next to Deathmark. This changes everything now.

[spice spire]

The last bit was the hopeful bit

[still pollen]

rip exang

[spice spire]

Redesign/removal in the future

Is nice

[slim hamlet]

But

[meager granite]

While some other classes/spec run free for years now...

[slim hamlet]

If it gets removed I'm in shambles

I have premium keybinds reserved for it

[spice spire]

It’s on G for me

It never earned that premium slot

[slim hamlet]

We will prob still be pretty wicked for ST at least

[muted ridge]

I had exsang on Shift 3 next to Shift 1 Deathmark

[slim hamlet]

Mine is shift F man

[bronze pike]

imagine

[slim hamlet]

better than shiv even which is ctrl F

[bronze pike]

you still take esxang after this

[spice spire]

[teal bloom]

Surely it isn't many percent above things like ttb anymore with such a big nerf

[slim hamlet]

Yeah man you press it more often

Premium

[spice spire]

What was he cooking

[slim hamlet]

Imagine a loser having a 3 min on shift fucking F

What have I become

[whole herald]

when is that nerf coming out?

[meager granite]

Well I don't mind the nerf tbf cause I hate exsang, however it is nothing new and has been on the radar for months. So we just got nerfed by 6-8% with no compensation

[slim hamlet]

next reset

[hollow river]

dude

3 minutes?

[whole herald]

ty

[hollow river]

the fuck is that

[balmy condor]

Exsang nerf: 3 minute cooldown (was 45 seconds) at 80% speed (was 100%)

Exsang nerf in numbers:
Overall in single target, we're looking at an almost 6% overall nerf
Overall in dungeonslice, we're looking at a 5% nerf. It is within margin of MA now (remember that dungeonslice has a boss)
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FAQ HAS UPDATED WITH NEW BUILDS FOR ST AND M+. EXSANG IS STILL VERY GOOD BUT HAS COMPETITION DEPENDING ON SITUATION. MOST DTB BUILDS WILL NOT TAKE EXSANG, WHILE KB BUILDS WILL
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“Why not 2 min?”
It would have been way too strong still.
“Why not 4 min?”
I’m not a magic 8ball, maybe we end up syncing and making it a 4min anyway, we don’t know yet
Exsang nerf in gameplay:
No change really. If you know it's the last cast of the fight, sync with Deathmark the same way you would in opener.

Additional Theorycrafting:
Builds in the FaQ have been updated with the changes and explanations.
Dragon tempered has changed slightly
Mythic+ has changed to MA mostly.

DTB and KB remain within razer-thin margins in single target
DTB has caught up to IC+KB and can sim slightly higher depending on haste levels. This also provides more single target.

Opinion Part:
It's still the best pick and it's a burst talent now, which is kinda what the original design of the ability was. Assassination was way overperforming in single target, and was decent in m+/aoe. This change hits both of the builds between Kingsbane and DTB pretty much equally, and doesn't affect our m+ viability much. The build/talent viability has gone up, none of the builds have died because of it, it hits a major over-performing talent, and has little to no impact on our rotation nor viability. This is literally the best nerf we could have hoped for, quit crying.

[hollow river]

garbage

[slim hamlet]

It is quite a heavy nerf for one spell yep

Really didn't walk slowly

[marble hemlock]

~1% dps loss for not playing exsang

ill take it

[slim hamlet]

Also still a must in m+ bcs of iron wire xd

[hollow river]

honestly one of the worst changes i've seen since i started playing wow ngl

[slim hamlet]

get fucked

[meager granite]

It's a 3 mins CD we might aswell forget it

[bronze pike]

LMAO

U STILL PLAY ESANG

[balmy condor]

actually...... master assassin might be on the menu hold on

[misty holly]

If they remove exang and give us a fun passive talent in it's place I would be happy. Something that works well for M+ would be great since that position is required to get the garotte silence.

[slim hamlet]

Fuck me man

[bronze pike]

saved

[slim hamlet]

No like please do

[meager granite]

That level of nerf is just a message sent to players: "that shit is overturned, we have no idea what to do with it but here is the band-aid"

Our ST build now has a 1 min 2 min and 3 min cd

[near nacelle]

meanwhile havoc dh are still beyond broken KEKW

[spice spire]

Havoc got nerfed too??

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slim hamlet]

Honestly wish they just removed and put a better sepsis there

[spice spire]

Same post

[whole herald]

is there a link for the nerfs?

[spice spire]

That’s cursed

[scenic marlin]

Demon Hunter
The Hunt damage reduced by 10%.
Fodder to the Flame proc rate no longer scales with Haste.

[zealous bobcat]

Rip exsang

[misty holly]

Red Ink poison!!

[slim hamlet]

a 3 min talent there feels incredibly bad

[bronze pike]

my dude

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-class-tuning-on-next-reset-threat-buffs-havoc-dh-nerf-fire-mage-buffs-330277

[bronze pike]

sin is stronger than havoc lmao

[jolly heath]

oy oy red bros

[bronze pike]

st wise anyways

[marble hemlock]

how is this a bandaid nerf? it aims to bring down overall assa dps while also making a t5 talent less powerful than its capstones. it achieves all of that.

[whole herald]

ty!

[red tinsel]

RIP exsang

[meager granite]

Considering the effects... Yeah

[slim hamlet]

Is that it?

[spice spire]

Check pins