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#assassination
copper gyro
peak bobcat
If you play DTB on ST wouldn’t it be more beneficial to put 2 in Zoldycks and vv rather than db sbs?
Skipping the 2 poison talents at the top of the tree completely
And taking venom rush
peak bobcat
I was just playing with sims
sour wraith
There's one at the southwest corner of the plains, near where the green dragon stone pillar thing is
signal pier
im having fun on assa (not exsang), watching my dmg ramp up is satisfying
brazen zodiac
handynotes cool too cuz u can just search on the map all rare locations + their drops
final briar
There's one at the southwest corner of the plains, near where the green dragon s...
thx
brazen zodiac
leatherworking?
strange python
Yes
austere flame
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strange python
Either neck+helm/boots, or the raid drop pattern 2set wrist/bracers
The 2set Sims +1500 over raid items in those slots
brazen zodiac
hm
strange python
Idk how strong the neck is because it wasn't simming secondaries
brazen zodiac
interesting
strange python
Get ready for gold cap boes
brazen zodiac
ill have to look into it
peak bobcat
But you'll need a maxed primal leather worker who can make it at max quality
The thorns set? or the snowball
strange python
The thorns set? or the snowball
Snowball is what simmed the best out of the combos I've tried so far
peak bobcat
When I tested on beta snowball seemed to be the best
next edge
those crafted are all boes no?
peak bobcat
They are BoP
strange python
hi boys, how do I make the raidbots target dummy stay at full hp for the duration of the sim (because blindside is throwing it off)
does anyone know?
thorn crater
They are BoP
i mean there must be a way to combine 4 piece + plus the 2 set
my question is, when can we open third specialization. cause i missclicked and opened the base leatherworking after leather crafting XD
im fucked XD
also, i hate that the leatherworking faction has fishing as one of the main ways to get rep sigh
fuckin tuskars
thorn crater
Snowball is what simmed the best out of the combos I've tried so far
you can prolly craft them without having each piece maxed out if u got rank 3 materials
peak bobcat
Is the snowball 2 piece is unique to those pieces?
thorn crater
sadly i have no idea. im just regretting atm not going into leather crafts. cause its gonna be a while to get more knowledge since u cant really fulfill orders
in my server the only orders are for pvp pieces and exotic bracers lmfao
peak bobcat
I think it’s more of a late patch bis thing
When we can actually get the upgrade materials
hollow river
sadly i have no idea. im just regretting atm not going into leather crafts. caus...
What’s stopping you from doing it now?
It’s the first week, you can still get into it and be in a good spot
hollow river
I thought you said you’re regretting not going into leather crafting
thorn crater
exotic
hollow river
What’s the diff
thorn crater
different talent category
thorn crater
i mean, exotic has 2 piece sets + pvp gear. leather has normal items no set bonus
tacit otter
silly question: is this trinket implemented? https://www.wowhead.com/item=200563/primal-ritual-shell?bonus=6652:1475:5861:8766&class=4&ilvl=369&spec=259
thorn crater
and that takes up 4 slots
spice spire
thorn fjord
That hunter was bad lol
spice spire
That hunter just like me 
grand trail
that burst with IC is real 😄
ancient peak
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plain flax
Yeah boys we pumping ic for the win I got a few over hundreds now we are dog horses
strange python
Is assassination gonna be the go to for week one raid?
strange python
🤔
final briar
There's one at the southwest corner of the plains, near where the green dragon s...
whats the name, cant find it lel
spice spire
Legitimately any change could happen tomorrow and change it.
Plus say you like sub. Crit mastery are both GIGA stats for both. So you’re chuckling gearing
next edge
Im gonna go sub because I enjoy it a lot
if you check spreadhseet
you'll see all 3 specs are close
spice spire
Im gonna go sub because I enjoy it a lot
next edge
so just go what you like
final briar
ASSA ❤️
spice spire
Getting used to the 6 mini cooldowns are a bit jarring in keys ngl.
If I don’t monkey out, I’ll pump tho
final briar
who wanna know where the dagger rare is
distant latch
There is currently no go to
supposedly assassination is better in the tier lists ive seen from wowhead and icy veins
spice spire
I wouldn’t pay attention to tier lists because a tuning change here and there changes everything
final briar
tbh assa was all the yeras so bullshit but now its insane with the new talnet tree, even aoe. I pref play poisen build rather then KB in aoe.
spice spire
But if you’re lost it’s a launching point, sure!
final briar
thorn fjord
Sin still slapped the last two tiers (not counting fated)
Even though it slapped in fated too just not as much as pirate
final briar
true
tall cloak
Didn't see it in the gear guide, how do the darkmoon and JC idol trinkets stack up?
strange python
Leather working 2set added ~1k compared to BiS in Sims, necklace was even with the bis neck in Sims.
strange python
Sure, but the ones I'm talking about are raid patterns
sour wraith
whats the name, cant find it lel
Idr, it was in a cave
thorn crater
Sure, but the ones I'm talking about are raid patterns
u can get one of the snowball set from tuskar rep no?
strange python
u can get one of the snowball set from tuskar rep no?
Ugh really?
thorn crater
i think so?
strange python
Yeah, the gloves. They simmed the worst of the three setups though because haste drinks
Stinks**
thorn crater
needs a shit ton o frenown though
strange python
It's only 13
strange python
It's 25 for most patterns
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But you only need 2 pieces for the set and the gloves perform the worst because of haste
As far as I can tell
thorn crater
what are the other slots
strange python
Wait no
Gloves outperform waist I think
Maybe? I'll check later I'm tired
Gloves+waist+bracers
earnest imp
Anyone done research on Renown, if theres anything spesific to focus on
lavish lichen
Anyone done research on Renown, if theres anything spesific to focus on
It depends what rewards you want to focus on. This sheet has some info on the recipes tied to each renown. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WZk2jRYKMYBj0Oewjlr2yFreAMxN6NHCgD1jx6n_YoE/htmlview?ouid=107012572873431814566&usp=sheets_home&ths=true&pru=AAABhOYXfI8*URbyrIsMIcYO-kcfQWyKdw#
There are other things you can choose to focus on since basically everything can be bought with gold through the work order system
strange python
I'm downright sad about the crafted math
kind bridge
Is anyone using a combination of Vanish with Deathmark in a macro ?
strange python
Why would you ever do that
spice spire
You shouldn’t do that 
kind bridge
after the fight start
🙂
just switched to ass trying to understand the mechanic but you are right
strange python
You don't want to use both moves at the same time though
merry onyx
is jeweled signet ring from court of stars really as strong as sims show or is raidbots likely being a dick and not simming right how is it better than the 389 arcane proc ring from the rep
thorn fjord
It’s very stronk
strange python
It'll also be way higher ilvl than 389?
merry onyx
mines my 298 from last time it was up in timewalking
merry onyx
just seems wrong a socket and 298 is better than something alot higher
yea ill end up going for it but damn
strange python
Well the 389 arcane ring isn't working for melee anyways
merry onyx
gd blizz we have abilities too justice for melee
lavish lichen
I think I heard someone say the proc is not implemented
Can you link your sim maybe? @merry onyx
merry onyx
if i run a quicksim with the arcane ring on it doesnt show any arcane damage procs in the breakdown
placid kraken
Sounds accurate KEKW
flint ridge
I got a nice Algeth'ar puzzle box and I'm wondering when is the best tiem to use it? Does poison/bleed snapshots? it gives 3k plus mastery.
merry onyx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7XYYasUzgzuKaVp1jvc9kH this is the quicksim doesnt appear to show any ring procs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r7aeaKF5JpuMDzkebyFw4H thats what it says with the 298 ring
flint ridge
It has a 2 second channel while you solve it
so is it before you apply your DOTS and exsang or on deathmark window?
merry onyx
if the arcane proc isn't simming in raidbots that should make up the differance wouldnt it
dark token
100k sin dream soon
remote oak
Nvm found it.
dense herald
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strange python
100k sin dream soon
Sin will be 99.8k with Cevs new APL and the crafting set
thorn fjord
I don’t want to drop gold on the crafting stuff 😞
strange python
Comfortable losing 1k DPS as sin and 2k as outlaw then?
thorn fjord
Meaning buying the gear not making
It would only be for a short time assuming you get replacements quick w1 of raid
strange python
Even if you're LW you're gonna have to buy rank 3 stat missives, gems, etc
No the 2set outperforms every item for sin
thorn fjord
Bleh
silk bane
Sin will be 99.8k with Cevs new APL and the crafting set
do you have the sim for that?
strange python
No. I don't fuck with the beta Sims they're using that includes new apls and consumables (haven't been added to live yet) but there's no reason to believe the crafting set will do anything but gain value
thorn fjord
I dislike that a lot
dense herald
4 target sim on fuus spreadsheet is taking dance, this outdated?
thorn fjord
But I’m a hater
strange python
I also really hate the crafted sets. But they're gigantic.
That's almost edge of night territory
silk bane
wait what do you mean? like crafted gear outperforms 421/424 M raid gear?
spice spire
But I’m a hater
Respect
dull cloak
I tell my tank to space each pull 45 seconds when I play assass lol
spice spire
Sounds like he should be pulling more Smdh
dull cloak
big pulls only
spice spire
In heroics I wasn’t having too much of an issue with IC
Which is good because I legitimately have 0 haste
So even with IC rn there’s the occasional empty global 
thorn fjord
My brain likes to shut off after I cast my third garrote
spice spire
I learned about halfway through my final mythic last night that IC was not on my stealth bar
strange python
wait what do you mean? like crafted gear outperforms 421/424 M raid gear?
Yes. The patterns that drop from vault can be made into 418 gloves/wrists/bracers. They have a 2 set bonus that outperforms 421s in the same slots.
spice spire
So all of my ICs were out of stealth
strange python
Or rather, the gloves are from iskaar rep
flint ridge
Does bleed and poison snapshots mastery?
strange python
And it's haste only I think
spice spire
Well
strange python
It should still agi/mastery dynamic
spice spire
We used to have NS, but that was fixed afaik
thorn fjord
So the best crafted gear is still time gated by vault? @strange python
strange python
So the best crafted gear is still time gated by vault? <@456226577798135808>
Yes. To get it to 418 you'll also need items that drop from mythic bosses or +20 mythic+
I think
We don't have 100% confirmation on where Primal Infusions come from yet to my knowledge
thorn fjord
Makes sense 
obtuse latch
Which 2 set is the good one?
quaint night
Does Deathmark duplicate immediately? Is it safe to Exsang the next GCD?
I'm guessing it's just a UI thing where it seems like my bleeds aren't duplicated immediately.
flint tusk
i love DTB, but absolutely HATE it as well.
every time you port into or out of a BG kiss good bye to your poisons
silk bane
Yeah any loading screen removes my poisons
spice spire
Does Deathmark duplicate immediately? Is it safe to Exsang the next GCD?
do not Exsang after deathmark
Always before
Bleeds are duplicated immediately, and are dynamic. But if you Exsang death mark you halve it’s duration since death mark itself is a bleed as well
spice spire
Yeah any loading screen removes my poisons
Also any changing of zone
I learned last night 
quaint night
Bleeds are duplicated immediately, and are dynamic. But if you Exsang death mark...
Ah I see, what's the negative impact of reducing Deathmark's duration? Same net damage no?
Oh, just actually read it.
Reading comprehension op, thanks.
spice spire
no worries homie, best of luck!
coral sierra
The JC neck 3 gem item can you get one without being a JC?
neat plank
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neat plank
what are you guys spending your spark on?
umbral saffron
what are you guys spending your spark on?
Whatever is lowest after this week ends I guess, according to the interwebz you should get one every week or 2, so it's not too special or anything
neat plank
mhm mhm makes sense
umbral saffron
probably a dagger
neat plank
but are the other parts hard to get? :p
gusty mirage
spend it on the JC neck
umbral saffron
It's not too far off m+0 gear anyway, so once m+ comes out you can easily get better gear
gusty mirage
giga sockets
neat plank
I might have to do neck yeah, cause my current neck has versa as main stat which is really bad
strange python
spend it on the JC neck
Save it for LW 2set
umbral saffron
there's a ring you can get 389 so not a ring
coral rivet
is the the new talent tree fun?
gusty mirage
there's a ring you can get 389 so not a ring
proc doesn't work for rogues rn
neat plank
those 389 rings are bad, got em they sim poorly
gusty mirage
umbral saffron
proc doesn't work for rogues rn
yea cuz it's "cast a spell" right? 😄
umbral saffron
Probably doesn't include attack for some reason
neat plank
forged by n'zoth
gusty mirage
ye unlucky for rogues, warriors, and hunters ig
we just get fucked
works for everyone else tho
rapid tree
Out of UH dk. Arms warrior. And sin. What has the best execute
umbral saffron
this is gonna be a pain to find 😄
Looks like crafted recipe from the raid gives a craftable set 🤔 altho the ilvl of 350 sucks
loud light
the ilvl on the recipes like that isn't right
silk bane
but like is this actually that good for assa? it doesnt proc off dots so its kinda eh no?
loud light
they all say 350
silk bane
u can upgrade them to 418 i think^
thorn fjord
Yeah
burnt latch
is the crafted neck with special effect implemented on simc?
silk bane
but how expensive is the gear gonna be?
thorn fjord
Depends on your server
silk bane
the mat are super insane right now.... I just sold this rare fish for like 1700 per fish...
we'll see how bad it gets
or good! hopefully
royal lantern
but how expensive is the gear gonna be?
6
dark token
He was forced to go leatherworking
subtle tundra
the mat are super insane right now.... I just sold this rare fish for like 1700 ...
thats how it is day 2
umbral saffron
but how expensive is the gear gonna be?
if wrath launch is anything to go by it will die down quickly, right now there's not many players at 70 (haven't had a weekend yet since monday) + lots of lazy people buying things
umbral saffron
So months from now the 2nd best items will be easy to get
umbral saffron
how do you even get the training matrix for increased ilvl btw
iirc they drop from rares
I had like 7 from levelling 🤔
short token
does picking wrathion give an extra quest or is that fake news?
umbral saffron
does picking wrathion give an extra quest or is that fake news?
yea it unlocks a whole bunch of quests in that zone
with 359 gear for like 3 of them
dark token
its not 359 gear
for me its 379
scales off equipped ilvl
you pick whoever you want
the one you didnt pick gives 2 quests
the one you did, gives 3
silk bane
He was forced to go leatherworking
this doesnt seem that great for assa to be honest, sounds like low proc rate, and doesnt work on dots. so only mutil, envenom, shiv? idk... sim gods will tell us soon ig
royal lantern
and how do you get the sparks of ingwhateveritscalled
except the 1 quest reward one
dark token
this doesnt seem that great for assa to be honest, sounds like low proc rate, an...
just an example
there are tons of op leatherwork items
silk bane
oh yeah thats the set i meant lol my bad! the boots seem pretty good for all 3 specs
royal lantern
getting benthic gear flashbacks with that
umbral saffron
Why is it a 3 set but has unique-equipped of 2 🤔
wary ice
I'll take bis crafting sets over benthic any day
wary ice
Why is it a 3 set but has unique-equipped of 2 🤔
Because u only need 2 of the 3 pcs to get the benefits of the set
Same way teir had 5 pieces but only 4pc bonus
umbral saffron
Yea but you can equip 5 if you want to
strange python
Yea but you can equip 5 if you want to
All high level crafts are unique-2
They're called "embellished" items and it's crafted epic gear
umbral saffron
Oh it's unrelated to the set itself 🤔 makes sense then
silk bane
i think if you were all 3, it "also ads a stone to your snowball heavily slowing the enemies hit"
idk where I saw that tbh
thorn fjord
Nah its negligible
royal lantern
how much dps do i loose if im playing voidelf?
race doesnt matter
play what you want
umbral saffron
how much dps do i loose if im playing voidelf?
100% if they stun you and you could be a human instead 
but in PvE nothing
atomic temple
Whats gonne be the best rogue spec in raid
pure spoke
what does vanish "with" deathmark mean? use deathmark from stealth?
royal lantern
Whats gonne be the best rogue spec in raid
🔮
thorn fjord
You want to vanish to get another improved garrote once the first one drops
pure spoke
You want to vanish to get another improved garrote once the first one drops
drops? do you let dots "drop" or just keep them up with refreshes from opener?
neat plank
race doesnt matter
I was thinking of switching my nelf to velf but I can't give up Shadowmeld, I use it all the time to restealth if I'm still in combat for some weird reason in dungeons
little ginkgo
so guys how assa doing so far on dungeons have you noticed getting outdamaged by a landslide or can assa keep up?
thorn fjord
keeps up
balmy condor
Assa’s doing fine but the dungeons are a joke obviously
little ginkgo
thats nice to hear
balmy condor
Impossible to tell balance in a pack that only lasts 10 seconds
little ginkgo
started to feel kinda depressed playing outlaw as former assa main outlaw just dont have that some kinda kick
umbral saffron
so guys how assa doing so far on dungeons have you noticed getting outdamaged by...
Seems fine to me for st & aoe 🤔 in my m+ groups I usually top dps
trim zinc
I'm doing dgs with a dh and a ele
And we all doing 29k 30k overall
I think it's good
Feels good at least
trim zinc
Impossible to tell balance in a pack that only lasts 10 seconds
True
trim dirge
the CD on IC is problematic in m0s but pretty decent overal
umbral saffron
You can easily reach like 80k+ dps even in mediocre gear if you go for the aoe build, like 25-35k on bosses
balmy condor
the CD on IC is problematic in m0s but pretty decent overal
Yeah in these super low dungeons could just play dtb
little ginkgo
sounds so cool time to refuge back to the assa camp really hoped that we could maybe be atleast decent after SL
neat plank
I was getting comments in my m0 runs about how good assa numbers look
trim dirge
yeah i actually didnt try dtb
stone yacht
I've been able to pull similar numbers as the FAQ M+ spec using poison bomb and fishing animcharged CPs for poison bomb procs
royal lantern
Impossible to tell balance in a pack that only lasts 10 seconds
wdym, the dh used imo aura and the dungeon is over in 7sec, ofc you can talk about current performance
balmy condor
I've been able to pull similar numbers as the FAQ M+ spec using poison bomb and ...
yeh that'll happen in these low keys
stone yacht
yeh that'll happen in these low keys
Does it start to be less effective in high key situations?
balmy condor
IC+KB's damage profile becomes better
stone yacht
ty for info
plain flax
In a different league right now lol
subtle tundra
i mean
silk bane
plot twist hes outlaw.
subtle tundra
what are you comparing yourself to
silk bane
also yeah dh has no monitpor
subtle tundra
actual humans or actual bots
plain flax
Lol do t matter whatever there still good lol
subtle tundra
im not saying assa isnt good
balmy condor
I crank like that in LFR too
neat plank
I mean my meters were similar in all m0, far ahead of everyone else, I guess it's possible they were all bad but
plain flax
Alrite kids just enjoying myself … f hell . Rip here
silk bane
idk dude I run with a ww and the every pac last like 8-9 seconds max. i dont even get to play the game in AOE packs...
neat plank
still, spec is looking pretty good
rapid tree
He blew all his CDs the first pack and then posted it
neat plank
no
loud light
the aoe touch of death stuff is kinda hilarious in steamroll keys
balmy condor
idk dude I run with a ww and the every pac last like 8-9 seconds max. i dont eve...
yeh same, can't wait for m+ when things last more than 3 seconds
balmy condor
He blew all his CDs the first pack and then posted it
that's an overall
silk bane
^ could be overall after the very first pack. doubt assa can hold 50k overall when jpc on outlaw was doing like 35-40k last night at 360+
subtle tundra
its 19mil dmg
plain flax
No off not doing about 40k overall .
subtle tundra
its just we have no context about your dps
grim pawn
Does the mastery buff from TT apply to our active bleeds or will it only boost refreshes?
neat plank
plain flax
… wow . Whatever have a nice day . Ment to be like pushing are assis brothers as been in the dirt
silk bane
eh my dude be pumping thats all that matters.
silk bane
i cant play the game bro. packs die in 6 seconds.
neat plank
you need to get out of normal 😄
silk bane
i do sick damage on bosses though pog
a 360 ww litearlly deletes M0 right now in like 7 seconds
grim pawn
I feel suffocation performs better for these early dungeons when stuff dies so fast. No hard data to back it up but if feels better than bone spike right now IMO.
silk bane
pretty sure you always take shrouded
royal lantern
bonespike is not even played in the m+ build rn mate
silk bane
bonespikes like 2-2.5% in ST but not worth in AOE I think
earnest imp
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earnest imp
Anyone looked at the leatherworking patterns? Anyone planned out making spesific pieces?
grim pawn
bonespike is not even played in the m+ build rn mate
I was more saying for people who are complaining things die to fast with burst aoe specs in their group. In case they were playing bone spike (the whole point of the trees is to try different things mate)
stone yacht
I was more saying for people who are complaining things die to fast with burst a...
NO! there's literally 1 right answer and if that's not true i'm going to throw a temper tantrum
😜
pure spoke
When you exsanguinate, are you supposed to let the exsanguinated bleed fall off or pandemic it?
earnest imp
pretty sure u let it fall off
stone yacht
yeah fall off. If you use Luxthos' WA it accounts for that
silk bane
pandemic only takes duration not damage or tick rate so u just let it bleed off
grim pawn
Do you lose the last tick if you refresh right before it falls off?
pure spoke
is dragontempered the easy version of sin
spice spire
When you exsanguinate, are you supposed to let the exsanguinated bleed fall off ...
Fall off
And DTB is an easier (less button) version, sure
Just don’t forget to reapply every time you change zones
molten timber
Are daggers a lie?
silk bane
obviously
thorn fjord
Birds dont exist
spice spire
Real
pure spoke
are you ever delaying echo/exsang to line with deathmark?
spice spire
No
silk bane
^ that is talking about exang AFTER deathmark. if both are up u want to vanish garrote exang then deathmark
spice spire
Yes
stone yacht
? it says 'do not exang during deathmark'
silk bane
yes. exang BEFORE deathmark not DURING/AFTER
spice spire
You Exsang before deathmark
spice spire
never after and during
thorn fjord
I need a Yippee-Ki-Yay sound WA for everytime i press exang
pure spoke
it talks about it in the FAQ, exang + deathmark = DPS loss
that's not what i asked lol
ah someone explained
stone yacht
yup I was confused
silk bane
btw how good is the puzzle trinket for assa? its kinda clunky to use in dungeons because of the 3 min not really lining up with things...
subtle tundra
pretty sure trinkets havent been simmed
subtle tundra
this?
silk bane
but its like 3 minutes
idk maybe if packs lasted longer it would be good but right its only noticable on bosses for me
subtle tundra
yes the 3 minute trinkets can be good
silk bane
without it im doing like 30-35k ST with it im doing like 45-50 LOL
echo heath
oooh i just figured out you can shiv the ragestorming heyenas in brackenhide hollow to get them to stop whirling
subtle tundra
without it im doing like 30-35k ST with it im doing like 45-50 LOL
on what fight timer tho
cause if its 1 minute ofc its good
silk bane
litearlly 20-30 seconds. on M0 everythings dying in that time frame
subtle tundra
i mean yea
thorn fjord
And the cast time sucks
subtle tundra
its 3k mastery for 20 seconds for a 20-30 second fight timer
thorn fjord
I have a M0 one too unfortunately
subtle tundra
ofc it will seem good
silk bane
yeah the cast is awkward af specially for outlaw
thorn fjord
Feel like it'll still hold value for Sinners
dull cloak
just precast it like font
thorn fjord
Yep... just gets a little complicated during encounter
Like would we send it on CD or hold for DM?
dull cloak
I think hold
thorn fjord
If you're playing it pirate you can just use it pre pull and whenever ADR isnt up
dull cloak
that trinket massive value if you use during right times like massive pulls
thorn fjord
I'm thinking in terms of raid encounters
subtle tundra
just precast it like font
you precasted font so you'd get another use trinket in, cause cast time + 30seconds duration meant you had like 14 seconds overlap
silk bane
Like would we send it on CD or hold for DM?
I think you send. unless the fight is 6 min + its wasted otherwise.
thorn fjord
Yeah that does make sense
subtle tundra
and font was 4-5 seconds
dull cloak
if for raid you probably still use before opener
thorn fjord
It would line up with exsang but not your second DM
Guess you could hold for your second DM
er third
silk bane
yeah something like tha t
Btw do we know if the set bonus of the snowball thingy procs off dots or not?
thorn fjord
🤷♂️
pure spoke
uh is there a way to see or check my opener on a dummy? i feel like vanish makes it really weird and just resets
silk bane
add however much damage you did to the rest of your damage as a weighted add by time lul. but yeah wlogs is better
pure spoke
what does shiv practically do for kingsbane? makes it ramp faster?
subtle tundra
it makes it do more damage
thorn fjord
Pew pew
true rapids
https://www.wowhead.com/item=202119/assembly-scholars-loop
is this bugged even in sims or just insanely low ppm?
tame egret
bugged
pure spoke
is there anything you have to do when preparing for the 2nd kingsbane? just have 2 shiv charges and envenom before it?
balmy condor
Ye
pure spoke
hi whispyr big fan
balmy condor
Hello
steel ridge
Just don’t forget to reapply every time you change zones
Thats a huge pile of garbage man, i hate it
spice spire
Trust me
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve swapped zones and been like “oh, I have no energy, fuck fuck fuck fuck”
strange python
How do I get out of my work trip
teal bloom
Exsang to make it shorter
slim hamlet
Just use vanish
abstract junco
Anyone have a quick link to the Blindside/Muta addon?
slim hamlet
addon?
spice spire
!bs
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dusty zenith
I really wish we didnt have to press so many dam buttons.....
strange python
I really wish we didnt have to press so many dam buttons.....
Button bloat across all three specs does feel bad tbh
next arch
With KB+Enven+shiv.
which order is optimal, I remember reading something on it in the faq but ive gone braindead and cant find it.
Nvm, found it.
storm onyx
Does anyone have an issue with activating DeathMark? Sometimes I need to press 5-7 times for it to activate. May it have issues with AcrobaticStrikes ?
obtuse vale
Might just be me but I've occasionally been hearing a clicking sound when I'm in stealth. Almost like a key is stuck...Anyone else experiencing this?
sand raft
!opener
balmy condor
faq
sand raft
Guys. I can not get it. In Assassination FAQ stated that there is an opener sequence which is not present in simcraft. Also the FUU BiS sim is not following that opening sequence priority which is recommended in faq section. https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xeNwCxfvyCoNsoLZcnb2iK
Can you please tell me how can I emulate sim with that opening sequence and where the conclusion that it is better came from?
drifting cloud
balmy condor
the sim you linked is accurate
I talk about why we suggest a different opener in the faq
wrong channel
sand raft
Ok thanks I get it. It is still interesting how can I build that opener sequence and sim with it to evaluate dps loss. I saw you wrote about 0.5% but it is in BiS gear, and I would like to know according to my items if it is possible.
upbeat hazel
is there a macro that uses ambush instead of mutilate when available?
balmy condor
Ok thanks I get it. It is still interesting how can I build that opener sequence...
it's still 0.5%, I did the sims in 230 greens and then copied them into bis
it just makes the number higher
sand raft
is there a macro that uses ambush instead of mutilate when available?
You can hop into outlaw chat and type !ambush there. I think you might be able to reproduce the same thing with assa
balmy condor
if you want to go for it yourself, you can make a custom APL to emulate it
balmy condor
is there a macro that uses ambush instead of mutilate when available?
!bs
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balmy condor
it's super fucking janky
sand raft
if you want to go for it yourself, you can make a custom APL to emulate it
Yeah not enough knowledge from my side to modify APLs like that) But thanks for the answers again!
balmy condor
Yeah not enough knowledge from my side to modify APLs like that) But thanks for ...
yeh simming openers is a huge pain in the ass and usually is avoided honestly, moving a couple gcds around isn't gonna affect too much
you're using deathmark while shrouded is still active
so the duplicated garrote is giving shrouded cp
exotic parcel
do we use instant or deadly poison?
slim hamlet
deadly is just instant with a dot
gusty mirage
do we use instant or deadly poison?
deadly, or if you're talented into it amp poison
junior rampart
Hello, Is there a macro to use all 4 poisons with 1 button if we take DTB?
white lance
can probably do a castsequence?
deft vault
how much are yall simming for ?
next arch
3
brazen zodiac
sin m+ fun :D
velvet geyser
Its so fun
brazen zodiac
big dam
outer cairn
what is it about KB+IC that feels so energy starved in ST?
just a lack of gear at this point cause the talents aren't really that much different?
velvet geyser
Which kinda build are you folks using for dungeons?
balmy condor
what is it about KB+IC that feels so energy starved in ST?
no venom rush
outer cairn
ugh. i was thinking that. man does it suck
wonder if we'll give up iron wire for that on tyrannical weeks
balmy condor
sounds incredibly troll
outer cairn
yeah. just feels bad having no energy on st with this, but its early in the game
balmy condor
its not getting better
outer cairn
meh
outer cairn
Oh no I get that. Like I said in the other discord, more about a better understanding of the spec
signal badger
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bitter badger
is it better to Exang>Deathmark or Deathmark>Exang in PVP?
woeful meteor
terse otter
plush lion
How is assassination in mythic+?
drifting cloud
we will see, but looking solid, probably just below the top melee dogs
meager iron
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indigo mulch
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indigo mulch
wait are DTB and KB that close to eachother? o.O
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
sure
dark token
carnage is cool but adding kingsbane + 2x shiv to minmax to m+ rotation which already has er/exang actually makes it less fun than dtb, agreed
chillness is highly underrated
manic river
so this does apply to m+?
dark token
its like 1% behind on dungeonslice sims with tier, and ahead without tier
i think that makes it competitive
balmy condor
it's not ahead without tier
runic hinge
The spec is fun af.
pliant fog
why did haste fall so far on our stat prio?
exotic hearth
Idk. All ik is until I get enough haste to where I'm not energy starved during M0 i'm losing a point in lethality for my mana tea lmao
dark token
why did haste fall so far on our stat prio?
Cause it sucks. bleeds and poisons doing more dmg = mastery is better
Haste actually is an awful feeling stat for rogues compared to other classes
Glad it's low prio all specs
balmy condor
Idk. All ik is until I get enough haste to where I'm not energy starved during M...
you're gonna be waiting a long time for that one champ
hollow swallow
Haste actually is an awful feeling stat for rogues compared to other classes
Imagine haste being the number one stat for outlaw, as if it wasn't fast enough already :p
wary ice
why did haste fall so far on our stat prio?
On most classes haste compresses the rotation. on rogue (and feral) the gcd is hard locked to 1s so no amount of haste will compress the rotation
This means the major benefit of haste is more ticks which is nice but like wh
outer lodge
Any consensus on which reputation's would be best to focus on first?
static glacier
Any consensus on which reputation's would be best to focus on first?
depends on your goals
flint ridge
is this headgear worth to use spark of ingenuity for? granted that the tier headgear is from last boss.
dark token
its bis outlaw
not for sin tho
but also recrafts will be expensive
just wait for mythic mats
flint ridge
what would you advice for use of spark then?
dark token
save till mythic week
see what u get first reset
craft it in a slot u didnt get gear
uneven hamlet
is atrophic still tied to enviroment damage? or is just flat -% dmg now? I missed this beta note and only noticed it today lol
steel sorrel
is atrophic still tied to enviroment damage? or is just flat -% dmg now? I misse...
I mean, its flat % from boss but some dmg is classed as enviromental and that dmg is unaffected by this debuff I beleive
vast shoal
question is their a spec for M0/M+ that does not use Echoing reprimand ( hated it in shadowlands )
spice spire
It’s our best capstone.
It’s also nice since we have the legendary so it’s a bit less trolly
vast shoal
ye righto. ty
grim coral
indiscriminate carnage seems... very good
royal lantern
its the "assa can finally be decent in keys" button
grim coral
whats the energy breakpoint with venomous wounds?
grim coral
i think they mean when you have endless energy?
ye, when you generate more than you can spend
balmy condor
saturation is 35 energy
so
10 baseline, maybe 11
you need 24 a second from bleeds
glacial shuttle
So 4 bleeds out? 😮
Wait, no
Bleeds don't tick every second, so... would probably be 5-7?
midnight atlas
Depends on your haste and talents
glacial shuttle
dark token
i dare u carnage users to try dtb, i bet you higher dmg plus feels better
dark token
nah not having to adderall keep track of 8 things in m+ feels great
grim coral
im leveling rn and enjoying carnage
dark token
i think carnage actually better for leveling probably for instant aoe
dark token
but when chain pulling, cooldowns desyncing due to mobs dying soon, and doing mechanics, not having to worry about that shit in dungeons with DTB is nice
dark token
hmm actually good point let me sim that
balmy condor
thrown precision is going to crush
balmy condor
we don't have giga combinator sims
dark token
but you can sim 10k combos for talent tree right?
i can only sim 3k before i run out of iterations
indigo mulch
Didn't some fool do like 100mil iteration at some point?
balmy condor
like everyone else
balmy condor
we do not
dawn kelp
Sin gonna be bis raid spec?
dark token
so its just beta simc access to have a TC account?
balmy condor
yes
grand trail
Sin gonna be bis raid spec?
I don't think so, it's best ST spec rn. And it's about even on two targets but losing with more target's on outlaw. HO build is some crazy aoe dmg meanwhile assa do aoe dmg only with Vanish/IC
grand trail
True
balmy condor
community is more split than israel/palestine on god
grand trail
But for my trash guild it's all about numbers tho 😄 I will main assa but will switch for bosses when needed
glacial shuttle
meanwhile other people saying the cleave is a waste and not useful damage
On a fight like Brood where mobs will frequently get spread out? Yeah if you have an opportunity to IC then it'll be strong af
dawn kelp
The new sin tree looks fun, didn’t really play it in pre patch
Since outlaw was giga all fated
grave ivy
I can’t believe Whispyr is going to make us play assa again. How dare you
glacial shuttle
I tried playing Sin a bit on beta but I was having energy issues, it felt really bad. Maybe I needed the right talents for it
gusty mirage
it's true, whispyr kidnapped my family and told me if I play anything except assassination he's going to kill them
grave ivy
it's true, whispyr kidnapped my family and told me if I play anything except ass...
Can confirm this happened
glacial shuttle
Can confirm this happened
can also confirm, I was the chair watching it happen
dark token
I tried playing Sin a bit on beta but I was having energy issues, it felt really...
when u run out of energy you press tea
at least in a dungeon
feels good man
tea actually less bad then i thought it would be
i do my dungeon garrote opener and press tea to refill empty energy bar + get big mastery right before DM
glacial shuttle
yeah never been a fun of those types of abilities tbh. I despised using black ox brew on monk too
indigo mulch
it's true, whispyr kidnapped my family and told me if I play anything except ass...
Blink twice if he's also holding you hostage.
grand trail
Wish tea was more of DPS cooldown, usually use it outside of CDs as filler cos during CDs you are good with energy
midnight atlas
people asking everyday which is the best spec so they can parse 30 in normal
forest acorn
i have a question about preparing for exsang, i feel like sometimes I am in a spot where I have to refresh a rupture but exsang is coming up soon enough that the duration of the rupture wont be very long before I refresh again with ER, is it worth to just use a low cp rupture to get pandemic for exsang?
or am I doing something wrong with timings and this shouldnt happen
keen viper
What is the difference in dps between sustained dps and the other with kingsbane talent tree?
grand trail
What is the difference in dps between sustained dps and the other with kingsban...
It's sim same in bis and same in my 368 gear
grand trail
people asking everyday which is the best spec so they can parse 30 in normal
Every tier I played since 6th anniversary required spec switching during raid, but would be nice to have raid guide for rogue to know how and why is spec stronger on certain bosses. But assa players hating on outlaw and vice versa so propably not going to happen. After first will I will figure it out myself but did not play beta
keen viper
So depends what rotation i like the most? :)) Oh nice
midnight atlas
they don't hate on each other, they just enforce their preferences by making sassy comments about other specs
grand trail
So depends what rotation i like the most? :)) Oh nice
There is less (none) user error playing DTB so it's better for most (me) but kinslgsbane provide better execute and for some it's more fun
midnight atlas
i think a useful rogue to a raid group should know to play all 3 specs, and this xpac is easy to do. not like in sl
subtle tundra
Every tier I played since 6th anniversary required spec switching during raid, b...
Ever since I have started playing, I have had to spec swap once in mythic raiding. And that was slg
You don't have to spec swap if you play your spec well unless you raid top 50
At least in assa's case
Sub in bfa was something else I admit
drifting cloud
wait you played assa early cn? were you in a different guild than now
midnight atlas
unless you do world first there's little to no need switching spec, unless your group really needs that 2-10% dps
drifting cloud
makes sense, assa was ok on denny even before 0.5
subtle tundra
All 3 specs this expansion look solid so everyone can play what they want
midnight atlas
assa has great cleave and boss dmg, but when boss spawns 10 adds and black powder goes brr, people feel bad for being behind. You can't do them all on a single spec unless its horribly balanced
fallen arch
Luckily there's other classes that can handle those adds
And you can do what you do best, slap boss or prio target
fallen arch
exactly
subtle tundra
but i choose to want to kill the boss
fallen arch
i think a useful rogue to a raid group should know to play all 3 specs, and this...
I don't agree with this tbh
Switching into sin is way harder now than it was in Shadowlands
There's tons of more room for error I feel
midnight atlas
there's a lot of mental gymnastics for sin, i agree, but i also think its a good idea to know the spec
or at least practice the rotation for a bit, know the basics and apply them to the fights if somehow its needed to play sin on progression
kind forge
sin execute on prog will be big
midnight atlas
as much as i love sub for example i can't get into the danse macabre with 1 dance type of play, so i know how to do it, i just want to avoid playing it
bleeds go brr sounds better this tier 
fallen arch
Ye but I feel like that's not the case with the current sin rotation with exsang and ER
kind forge
i actually love DM 😄
fallen arch
in SL I could sleep during prog
I have feeling that's not gonna be the case currently
midnight atlas
DM is monk mechanics, screw that 
fallen arch
But I might just need some practice to get comfortable with it
DM is not Death Mark here?
midnight atlas
damn these abreviations
midnight atlas
imagine the time we're saving in this life writing DM instead of death mark or danse macabre 
midnight atlas
fallen arch
Makes me think of this guy
kind forge
frozen jasper
No SND in Multi Target opener cause most of the time it should already be active or are we straight up not using it in multi target fights?
glass junco
cant find a keybind for Gouge
oblique wasp
guys please - I know I never exsanguinate during deathmark, but is it okay to cast deathmark and after that exsang? I am not sure I undestood the charts in FAQ section
sorry I messed up - I meant vice versa - I start with exsang and next step is deathmark
frozen jasper
I think its More beneficial to exsang and then deathmark because deathmark duplicates the exsanged dots
royal lantern
No SND in Multi Target opener cause most of the time it should already be active...
more of an
its either active allready
or its a target count where activating SnD is really low priority
trim minnow
Hi, I used to have a weak aura counting the amount of ruptures/garrotes I had up (no timers, just the amount) but can't seem to find it anymore on wago. Anyone has somthing similar?
vocal wren
hey folks - i have some noob question. Im pretty new to sin and saw that Garrote had 2 seperate debuffs - the regular one and another one ? where does it come from and is it somehow an empowered version ?
ID: 703 - the normal one
ID: 360830 - the one im asking where it comes from```
hope its not to much of a noob question xD
sturdy lichen
Is anyone else's posions spell not opening when it's on bars?
vocal wren
had teh same and dragged the poisons directly on my bars
sturdy lichen
Same... Must be a bug np, ty anyway 🙂
midnight atlas
if you are using elvui make sure to update it
it had some bugs with poisons and other stuff that opens, like m+ portals
umbral saffron
There's some weird bug where you can use atrophic poison even if you don't have it talented if you put it on your weapon and then swap spec and swap back
you have to not use dtb I think
but pretty much you can just untalent it and change to the 20% increased for free 😄 min maxing to a whole new level
hollow river
Is anyone else's posions spell not opening when it's on bars?
Pop-out spells like poisons aren’t working with most addons. If you use vanilla bars they work.
late veldt
Just realized IC affect both garrote and rupture on the same cast
copper gyro
earnest imp
Do you guys that have done m0s have any impressions on Assa performance ?
copper gyro
its good
earnest imp
I assume the trash is dying too fast to get proper performance review
dusty zenith
This
dusty zenith
Everything does so fast .
outer cairn
i dare u carnage users to try dtb, i bet you higher dmg plus feels better
for dungeons/m+?
little forge
Do we know what embelishment items we want yet, or is that still a work in progress?
manic river
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outer cairn
maybe the blue silken lining for the extra mastery or if not an alch maybe the flavor pocket for meals
little forge
Was thinking maybe the fang weapon one also, but i'm not sure if it procs on all our stuff
little forge
It's for weapons only. Physical skills have a chance to deal additional physical damage. I think it should proc off everything except envenom / kingsbane
But if its good or not is a different story
cobalt hemlock
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celest helm
Are the crafted gears worth or are we gonna replace them so quick its eh
little forge
They will scale up to mythic raid ilevel with loot from the raid, so can be great
subtle tundra
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somber fractal
how much better is phial of static empowerment than glacial. i feel like it will be shit in raid since we always moving
marble cedar
May I ask a question regarding Exsanguinate/Deathmark and your bleeds? I understand that on the rotation Ex > Deathmark when both Garrote and Rupture are on. But I wondered, should you refresh both WHILE Ex/Deathmark is active, or only when the bleeds ends and you then reapply? Does re-applying during Ex/Deathmark count as a DPS loss or do they just...continue on bleeding based on the debuff status?
pure spoke
May I ask a question regarding Exsanguinate/Deathmark and your bleeds? I underst...
you shouldn't refresh exsanguinated bleeds, let them bleed off
marble cedar
Obviously DM lasts longer than an EX bleed..so let them fall and then quickly reapply so DM can continue?
pure spoke
i believe so
copper gyro
this might be a dumb question: for the raid build, do we apply amplifying poison or still deadly
pure spoke
amp if specced
copper gyro
thanx
umbral saffron
I assume the trash is dying too fast to get proper performance review
I think it lives long enough, depends on the group by at like ~350ilvl you can see assa is good vs others
thorn fjord
Morning sinners
spice spire
Morning sinners
GM
spice spire
can u guys do somewhat competitive damage?
Yes, damage good
low flint
just asking cus i am assa pvp and kinda want to do m+ but i pref assa over any other rogue spec
so i won't go outlaw if assa can be okay
spice spire
It can be okay for sure
neat plank
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celest helm
just asking cus i am assa pvp and kinda want to do m+ but i pref assa over any o...
Yo my boy! Assas is phenomenal in m+
thorn fjord
can u guys do somewhat competitive damage?
It’s blasting in current content
pure spoke
i thought exsanguinate worked on all targets for a moment, almost had an erection
alpine latch
So, in a perfect world, every 45s we're going to apply a fresh garrote, ER, Rupture, exsanguinate? Or do we not worry about refreshing garrote?
celest helm
So, in a perfect world, every 45s we're going to apply a fresh garrote, ER, Rupt...
Refresh garrote 100%
royal lantern
I assume the trash is dying too fast to get proper performance review
if you have a ww/dh
yeha
you wont do dmg cus stuff just implodes
pure spoke
if i'm omega strapped for time and can only try master 2 specs, i assume i just drop sub?
alpine latch
What's the longest we hold a CD? 5s?
celest helm
rogue only has 2 specs
This
quaint sequoia
I would argue only one as long as shitsang is a thing
subtle tundra
Invalid
quaint sequoia
nah just my opinion. imo they destroyed my class
combat and sub been shit long and now they ruined sin aswell
copper gyro
is there any way to sim profession gear?
limpid drum
It can be okay for sure
Just don't compare your m+ dmg to monk or DH right now in AOE 😵💫🤕
slim hamlet
is there any way to sim profession gear?
lavish lichen
Just don't compare your m+ dmg to monk or DH right now in AOE 😵💫🤕
Play outlaw then 
subtle tundra
Just don't compare your m+ dmg to monk or DH right now in AOE 😵💫🤕
?
Monk is a lot of touch of death
copper gyro
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bg3Us89ipUu-StPo48gXqSh2dSKmExJHaWqgE6e3...
i didnt mean profession equipment
subtle tundra
And assa is good
rain oyster
DTB gang
copper gyro
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bg3Us89ipUu-StPo48gXqSh2dSKmExJHaWqgE6e3...
i meant which pieces are best to craft (regarding effects and such)
limpid drum
The comment was regards to trash, and being Assa
lavish lichen
Yea ofc no m+ rn
limpid drum
I'm an Assa enjoyer.
alpine latch
I would argue only one as long as shitsang is a thing
Dude, it's 1 keybind.. channel your inner taylor swift and calm down
slim hamlet
i meant which pieces are best to craft (regarding effects and such)
oh lol
alpine latch
We were fucking around hardcore in m0s and I was hitting 50-60k on trash packs with 340 daggers.
quaint sequoia
Dude, it's 1 keybind.. channel your inner taylor swift and calm down
don't even get me started on the ability bloat on sin rn
quaint sequoia
yea and we already had to many imo
alpine latch
We had less than Outlaw and within like 1 of Sub...
Go play DH if you want 3 keybinds
quaint sequoia
That what I do now
signal pivot
Lmao just put a bar in the middle of the screen and click it
viral python
in the opener it says to rupture after ER. But sometimes, i dont know why, but ER doesnt overcharge my 2nd combo point so I can get a long rupture
subtle tundra
Maybe he is a troll 🤨
viral python
do i have to get to the overcharged cp and rupture then?
subtle tundra
in the opener it says to rupture after ER. But sometimes, i dont know why, but E...
Do you have the correct talent
viral python
resounding clarity?
subtle tundra
Idk what it's called
alpine latch
do i have to get to the overcharged cp and rupture then?
In ST you go multiple animacharged talent (I forgot the name), which means you're basically guaranteed to get it
subtle tundra
The animacharged cp ones
alpine latch
Slightly harder in m+ but not terrible
subtle tundra
In ST you go multiple animacharged talent (I forgot the name), which means you'r...
You always go that
storm rapids
assass in dungeons have been so much fun
viral python
alpine latch
You always go that
Really? Because I imported the string from the FAQ and it didn't have it
At least for the m+ build
quaint sequoia
they should have left the cov spells in Slands where they belong tbf
alpine latch
Is that an import flaw?
alpine latch
The Animacharged does more damage one for m+
I would love for that to be wrong and something fucked up in the import
Because I hate that so much
viral python
yea i was practicing my opener 😄 lvl 64 on my rogue atm
alpine latch
I'll reimport tonight and look. I imported like a week ago or so and it had the "ER does more damage" node. Maybe something went wrong in my import or something, because I 100% didn't change it to something I hate
alpine latch
yea i was practicing my opener 😄 lvl 64 on my rogue atm
The opener is for level 70s. Your opener pre-70 will be diffferent
subtle tundra
Seems sussy
subtle tundra
yea i was practicing my opener 😄 lvl 64 on my rogue atm
I mean just talent into it
Remove something and get it
You also don't have seal fate
Which is uh
gusty mirage
he's not level 70 yet
subtle tundra
You can get seal fate before 70
🤓
It's the single biggest thing for assa in the class tree
tame slate
Probably a stupid question, but with the M+ build, when we go to do a ST opener on a boss, do we just replace SBS with a Mut?
late veldt
It's the single biggest thing for assa in the class tree
Doesn't ER make SL kinda bad? Never played with ER so dont have any experience with it
manic pebble
anyone got useful macros for sin? my buttons are too bloated right now and it's so hard to play
subtle tundra
Doesn't ER make SL kinda bad? Never played with ER so dont have any experience w...
No? It doesn't matter if you don't hit them instantly
You have 45 seconds
tame slate
You can usually macro ambush and mutilate onto one button
halcyon zealot
is the elemental lariat what we wanna use our spark on
quaint sequoia
You can usually macro ambush and mutilate onto one button
does that really work reliable?
tame slate
does that really work reliable?
It has worked decently well but I might go back to having them on separate buttons. I need to actually get some time in dungeons before I finalize my binds
quaint sequoia
that is what I thought
neat plank
theres a lot of cosmetics from reputation but many of them are missing daggers, you got all kinda swords and other weapons
like Cobalt weapons look amazing but no dagger, so disappointing
viral pawn
Is it just me or is the assa opener just insane? 😮
I’ve played UHDK (which was also a mess) and shadow priest in SL, wanted to try out Assa but wow.. the opener with Exsang, ER, Shiv, Kingsbane, Deathmark, SBS, the weird double usage of Rupture and Garrote just blew my mind. Don’t get me wrong it’s not about pulling this off - it just feels really really wrong ^^
late veldt
No? It doesn't matter if you don't hit them instantly
Why would the extra CPs matter if we have ER up 100%?
coral sierra
It feels nice when you pull it off rotation and mobs aren’t dying fast
gusty mirage
Why would the extra CPs matter if we have ER up 100%?
because our CP generation is trash
even with seal fate
so without SF, it's atrocious
dense cedar
is it confirmed yet that HoV is getting a dagger drop?
subtle tundra
Or are we outlaw where our finishers don't do dmg
dense cedar
haven't done any beta stuff
subtle tundra
Check in-game drop table?
dense cedar
its not there
subtle tundra
😴
night delta
Got the turtle shell trinket from the tuskarr legendary soup boss
dense cedar
when does the community feast event happen btw
night delta
The best version is the mastery proc, correct ?
dense cedar
only ever seen the completed message
subtle tundra
when does the community feast event happen btw
It's every 3.5h I think
Wow head has timer
viral pawn
It feels nice when you pull it off rotation and mobs aren’t dying fast
I mean yeah the dmg really feels good but cmon.. you also have to orchestrate 1x shiv between 1x kingsbane between 1x deathmark. That’s so wild and also so much potential to mess it up. SBS feels like 1 button too much to press. (Exsang also btw). Reminds me of UHDK - you would Pop Unholy Blight, Dark Transformation and apocalypse in that order but atleast the spells would kinda line up xD
subtle tundra
I mean yeah the dmg really feels good but cmon.. you also have to orchestrate 1x...
Assa was literally 4 buttons before
dense cedar
It's every 3.5h I think
ty
quaint sequoia
Assa was literally 4 buttons before
Perfection
gusty mirage
The best version is the mastery proc, correct ?
other options are a heal, an absorb, and a fire damage proc
each is 1 ppm so depends on how much the fire damage is ig
gusty mirage
but seems like mastery is better tbh
viral pawn
Assa is wrath is 2 buttons but still feels great 🫢
subtle tundra
Nah this version is the best I have played so far
dense cedar
tbh
subtle tundra
And it's not even close
dense cedar
this is my fav iteration of M+ sin
night delta
Yeah now sin in m+ is way more fun imo
viral pawn
Not talking about M+ here btw. I’m about pure ST build.
alpine latch
M+ Sin just bursts hard af - I haven't played around much with the ST build yet. I'll be spending time on the dummies this weekend for that
night delta
Less of a hectic battle at pull to put up the most bleeds possible
neon siren
hows sin Dungeon slice vs the other specs atm?
valid dawn
We keeping up with outlaw in m0? Im guessing we will shine in higher keys?
night delta
I think sin is still consistently behind outlaw in dslice ?
alpine latch
hows sin Dungeon slice vs the other specs atm?
!fuu
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Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz
night delta
Just, not by such a massive margin as before
dense cedar
right now kinda hard to tell in-game
a bunch of the pumper specs are just missing gear
night delta
True
viral pawn
Another thing I just realized.. Zoldyck Soup is IN fcking SANE!! 45% dmg amplify on poisons/bleed at 35% will have so much nerf potential.
This is definitely assa expansion.
dense cedar
There's a boss in Infusion that is 100% execute uptime
i didn't even notice
subtle tundra
First thing I noticed
dense cedar
wait
night delta
Starts off at 30% hp x)