assassination

[red tinsel]

and all covenant skills used the same keybind on every character

And towards the end of DF I used that spot for Kingsbane

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor idk if you saw it but some one mentioned that there's an intellect dagger in Wowhead bis list

[balmy condor]

fun

[slim hamlet]

I like that we don't have to think that much about ER points

They just happen randomly always

So? Int is BIS for rogue in DF Janisss

[torn atlas]

Rouge r smurt

[balmy condor]

some of you guys really need the extra intellect

I've seen the shit you type

[slim hamlet]

[teal bloom]

5Head

[slim hamlet]

Me included don't worrh

Not excluding myself from this club :pepeclown-1:

[torn atlas]

I reckon most of us aren't as agile as we pretend to be either.

[slim hamlet]

Fake

All born athlethes

[balmy condor]

if I was a cow

I would be USDA Grade A lean beef

[oak sky]

if i was a cow

i would be a bull

[balmy condor]

real

[red tinsel]

Thanks for the tip, managed to create an easy new keybind from my DPI Shift

[unkempt karma]

Why not Kobe A5? 🤣

[split grail]

Use kingsbane and ER on cd?

[proper tapir]

Yeah, but sync up with Deathmark and exsang/Rup, respectively. More info is in the Sin FAQ

[split grail]

Oh god, exangunaite is back too?

gaines 5 new abilities to track at 70 -_-

[outer cairn]

Wasn't Banshee Blight supposed to stop working at a certain level?

[molten timber]

It should have. Blizz overlooked it...

[outer cairn]

yeah saw it in details and was like hmm

[modest nimbus]

is assassination going to be decent for m+?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[grizzled jay]

We were hoping it'd be Legacy'd at 70 but it wasn't on beta and they didn't on live. But it will swiftly be nerfed once they see Rogues using it on Raid launch week (if they are weird and still don't nerf it in the next 2 weeks).

[red tinsel]

I was dreaming Banshee's Blight could become a capstone

It'd be a nice poison to have

[red tinsel]

I had that issue, but way I understood is you always will ER prior to Exsang to get the 7CP Rupture I think, so you can track them both together

[jagged yoke]

oof the amount of active abilities in assassination is pretty intense now

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tranquil birch]

yeah... coming back from legion the amount of abilities and keybinds is reeeaallly overwhelming

[grizzled jay]

Also apparently Gavel also still works so it's BiS at 70

[outer cairn]

So basically keep using it till they turn it off

[grizzled jay]

only in the OH and I believe only at <50%? or <25% boss health

that's what i remember being said around here

[celest helm]

anyone have a good WA for echoing reprimand to let me know when i land on a charged cp

[strange python]

I don't think I have ever felt as energy starved as I do with the dungeon build

And it certainly seems like there is a fuckton of bugs.

Is the short SnD refresh timing off of ER envenoms known?

[pale plank]

Yep I am feeling the same

[strange python]

I wanna test more, but it seems like rupture/garrote aren't giving energy when they tick

[rapid tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[pale plank]

I switched over from outlaw so I thought it was normal and that I have to get used to it

[strange python]

I've played through slow sin metas and this is different. Haven't tested the ST build yet

[torn atlas]

I've had a few moments where I felt energy starved running dungeons last night, but put it down to most things dying real quick so not much time to get poisons onto targets for VW to trigger.

[strange python]

I mean even on bosses with full dots running and exsang theoretically ticking faster it's been 6 seconds between casts

[torn atlas]

Yeah that sounds awful and buggy haha

[deft vault]

did u have poison on?

[strange python]

Yes

[jagged yoke]

blackjack is better than gouge for m+?

[torn atlas]

Completely silly question, but talented into VW?

[strange python]

Yes

[torn atlas]

I only ask cos I made the mistake when messing around on prepatch haha.

[pale plank]

Does anybody have a sim that doesn’t spec into ER? How much of a dps loss is it?

[jagged yoke]

was that to my question?

[strange python]

No sorry

The Animacharged envenom SnD shit is really frustrating

Makes it feel negative to Animacharge an envenom

On the plus side SBS doesn't seem to be bugged?

[gusty mirage]

[icy escarp]

what weapon enchants are we gonna use for sin

[gray crest]

Sophic devotion

[icy escarp]

ty

[strange python]

It's gotta be the optimal play to not animacharge envenom right? The extension loss causes so many energy issues

[marsh wharf]

can't decide between shrouded suffocation or serrated bone spike

i like both >:l

[deft vault]

it does extend it tho

it only extend it to the acvtual combo point usage instead of 7

[strange python]

Yeah but that's trash on 2/3/4

[marsh wharf]

do you guys use shrouded suff for garrote or serrated bone spike in the mythic plus build

just curious about preferences since both are viable

[celest helm]

SBS is trash for m+ you go shrouded 100% literally every time

Garrote is such a massive part of your dps for m+

[regal sable]

ISNT IT BEAUTIFUL

[gray hazel]

Do we use amp poison? i dont recall seeing poison choices on the FAQ

i could be very well be blind

[oak sky]

Amp good st

[timber meadow]

is there a max to the number of mobs I should cast garrote and rupture on?

[pale plank]

If only

[pulsar fog]

Given it's CD garotte can only really be maintained on like 3-4 targets (outside of stealth/IC). Rupture I'm not sure

They give you energy though, so I'd imagine even in very large target counts you'll want a few up

[frosty sluice]

Quick question, might be a dumb one, I know we let exsang dots drop off during deathmark, when we have our normal exsang windows do we let it drop there too?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[frosty sluice]

ty

[spice spire]

I should delete this one this one this is outta pocket

[regal sable]

XD

[strange python]

355 ilvl boys

[cloud moat]

I switched to Assa so I wouldnt have to play Ambush bs on Outlaw

Turns out all 3 specs and all of their variations are Ambush specs

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

ambush

[celest helm]

i love the way blindside feels lmao idk how anyon wouldnt

[cloud moat]

I admit, it's not nearly as bad as Outlaw's ambush procs

Just always hated Shadow Dance ever since it first came and now it's slowly creeping its' way into being the bread and butter of all 3 specs

Feels bad

[mellow sphinx]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193701/algethar-puzzle-box?bonus=7974 thoughts on this trinket? the use feels good

[blazing grove]

hey is ER + KIR the build to run? i'm new to rogue in general so wanna try to be learning the right build for the moment. all the guides don't have ER specced for M+

[celest helm]

check pin

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Kir is #outlaw

Wrong channel

[blazing grove]

oops

[regal sable]

<3

just for you

[tough shell]

hey does anyone have a gse macro for blindside ? ambush mutilate? please help me 😦

[spice spire]

Used to, it was removed due to conditionals

Being added

[tough shell]

so it doenst work no more?

even with gSE?

[spice spire]

Don’t think so

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[tough shell]

yeah it says it works here

but i cant get it to work with the new gnome sequence

can anyone help?

oh wait

[fallen arch]

Just bind it to another button

It’s not difficult to get used to

What professions you guys rolling

[brazen zodiac]

whispyr!!!!

[dense herald]

Bro how does this trinket feel good,
Who wants to stop mid combat and channel a puzzle box,
It feels terrible 😂

[steel ridge]

DTB still causing you to lose all poisons when joining dungeonfinder...

[torn swallow]

sooo instant poison not working?

[naive sierra]

Wrathion or Sabellian first? 🙂

[simple gulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[terse otter]

How u guys been doing in dungs compared to others ?

[mortal crystal]

Went to bed, don't know if someone answered already. There's an announcement when it spawns mentioning "survival of the fittest". When you see/hear it, open your map and look for it (it's a small moving icon).

[vestal wren]

i think it is rly hard to judge performance in dungeons

[steel ridge]

Delete exsang btw

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

[slim hamlet]

Don't quote me but you probably need to be in WM

[jade abyss]

It cant be a good day without exsang hate

[steel ridge]

Just a clunky button i will use because whispyr said its good

[flint ridge]

is it me or the combo point personal resource display that shows on your feet is sometimes showing wrong CP. i really like this feature as it follows me.

[celest ruin]

is it just me or is somtimes IC bugging out

like it not applying garrote at all even on the main target

[steel ridge]

i really hate this feature cause it moves

[flint ridge]

i really love cause it follows me and on arena situation its amazing I don't need to look elsewhere for HP and CP. but it seems a bit buggy especially with ER.

[gusty mirage]

it's not you, there's a weakaura fix for it floating around

I'll try to find you the link, sec

[flint ridge]

yay! thanks!

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/enxx0xWT7

[distant lodge]

Yeah I’ve started noticing that happening too, the rupture will work fine though

[celest ruin]

actually rupture happens somtimes for me too

i was thinking of it getting parried

but openers from stealth cant get parried so idk

[gusty mirage]

they can

[torn atlas]

Are you opening with rupture though?

[celest ruin]

garrote

[tacit otter]

I totally felt that as well, was playing sin since SL start. Especially with exsang running it feels like no difference to not having it on rn.

[crude sinew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[marble cedar]

Quick question on the assassination rotation. I didn't think you used exanquinate around deathmark?

I see here you use Ex before DM?

[oak sky]

the thing you avoid is using exsang after deathmark

[marble cedar]

Ahhh ok

[oak sky]

it works on the deathmark bleed itself, which makes you get less overall uptime on double bleeds

its a huge damage loss to clip your deathmark bleed like that

[marble cedar]

So always ex before DM

[oak sky]

or after it ends

[marble cedar]

Ok thanks mate very kind

[oak sky]

so like if it comes up before you use it before, if it comes up during you hold it until after

np, always happy to help

[marble cedar]

Thank you very helpful

If I may ask one last question on slice and dice, I note in the rotation it's used instantly after Garrote which is typically a 3 combo point from stealth

Is 3 fine for it's duration? Or a case of...doesn't matter point spend for S&D - just keep it up?

[oak sky]

pretty much any combo point snd will get maintained by cut to the chase later

so the 3 cp from garrote is plenty

[marble cedar]

Does cut to the chase move it to a 5 point duration, or just refresh it's duration based on your original spend?

[oak sky]

cut to the chase adds duration to any existing snd, 3s per combo point on the envenom

[marble cedar]

Ok neat

[oak sky]

so like a 5 cp envenom would add 15s to an existing snd

[marble cedar]

Yeah great

Thanks that's all I had

💪

[simple hornet]

assa goes so fkn hard

loving it

[royal lantern]

now imagine it without exsang

almost perfection

[simple hornet]

Im new to assa so im sure it will come with time, but so far im learning not to hate exsang. will see once im better at the spec and notice the clunkiness more

[thorn crater]

any chance we add whispyr's nameplate WA to the rest of the list?

cause im not sure i found the correct one

[pine grove]

I was Venthyr in SL, so pardon the ignorance. When we don't play differently with ER, does it mean that we ignore the anima charged CPs at 2/3 or does it mean we hit them, but don't alter our rotation otherwise?

[hollow river]

you can hit them all passively

no need to change your rotation to aim for them really

[manic pebble]

I feel overwhelmed leveling as Sin idk why

[hollow river]

i think leveling as sin feels great

[pine grove]

When would I hit a 2CP passively? Or do you mean that when I get to 2CP from a no crit mut, that's when I hit it?

[hollow river]

the extra buttons take a little getting used to, but assa is shredding

[hollow river]

yep

[royal lantern]

button bloat

[pine grove]

Ah. OK. Thought so. That's what I've been doing anyway.

[hollow river]

it really doesn't feel that bloated tbh. now assa just has more binds like most other classes, compared to what it had before

[oak sky]

the problem isnt when theres too many binds, the problem is when those binds are either not valuable or are intrusive

[slim hamlet]

Sin prob has most CD's in the game now

[oak sky]

unholy

[slim hamlet]

Yeah they exist

i forgor

[hollow river]

monk and enhance shaman

[oak sky]

unholy has like 8 and all of them are on gcd

[hollow river]

would like a word

[slim hamlet]

No shot monk or enhance

unless you count infinite defensives on monk

[hollow river]

they're mostly shorter CDs, but yes they def have a similar amount

[oak sky]

a lot of monk and enhance abilities just replace normal rotational spenders and builders kinda

enhance is a lot like ret in that way

[hollow river]

yeah

[oak sky]

i wouldnt really call rsk or stormstrike a cd

even though they have a cooldown

[hollow river]

to be fair we've still made it out just fine in my opinion, most of these new buttons have "longer" CDs

means you press them less than enh/monk have to press their different abilities of their own rotations

i'm enjoying it idk

exsang, KB, ER, SBS, all of it is dope imo

[oak sky]

kingsbane adds a little bit more than i thought it would

[hollow river]

yeah

[oak sky]

its a cd stacker

[slim hamlet]

Definitely more to do than a lot of specs

[hollow river]

leveling wise i find myself pressing KB the least out of everything

[oak sky]

even though its mostly passive it gives a little feel of buildup

[hollow river]

but mostly because shit dies

[oak sky]

er is fine for me

[slim hamlet]

Not a lot of time with "usual rotation" before doing something different

[oak sky]

i dont like sbs in single target much

[slim hamlet]

I thought I hated ER, but it's not that bad

[oak sky]

i dont think it adds anything too significant and it clutters up the opener more

[hollow river]

yeah

kinda agree on sbs tbf

[slim hamlet]

Just have to get more used to it, right now my eyes are locked on my combo points

[hollow river]

but i love the ability

[oak sky]

i'm a big fan of it for cleave and aoe

just not for st

[hollow river]

you'll def get more used to it

[slim hamlet]

Wait I unironically like it better in ST

[oak sky]

yeah thats fine too

everyone has a different stance

[slim hamlet]

Feels weird having to spread it in aoe while also getting other bleeds and stuff

[pine grove]

Exsang is the only one I don't like, but I've never liked that ability.

[hollow river]

i played kyrian sub for almost 2 seasons, it's just purely passive to me at this point

[slim hamlet]

[pine grove]

Thought I'd dislike ER, but it's fine.

[hollow river]

i like opening with garrotes, rupts, exsanguinating 1 mob and DMing another

then focusing envenoms on a 3rd mob

feels pog

[slim hamlet]

ER's biggest issue

is that it's fucking anima charged???

[hollow river]

watching the two just evaporate while i focus on the 3rd is nice

[slim hamlet]

Makes no sence

Madge

[hollow river]

[pine grove]

Anima was smuggled past customs.

[oak sky]

we learned er from the blue guys so we kept it gg

[slim hamlet]

I wish they rebranded the cov abilities for classes like rogue

[oak sky]

i do not!

[slim hamlet]

Mage, warlock and the likes are fine

[slim hamlet]

But I was never in kyrian

My immersion

[oak sky]

all the covenant abilities are what we carry over from SL

[slim hamlet]

Is in the bin

[pine grove]

SBS is OK. I can imagine a rogue just ramming a bit of bone into someone.

[oak sky]

people complain about old stuff not being relevant

and systems being neglected after an expansion ends

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I don't think it's that bad either, but I know quite a few hate it

[oak sky]

then also complain about the shadowlands abilities being off theme

[slim hamlet]

This doesn't work for this tbh

An ability is not really "old content" and just because you switch the theme doesn't make it not exist imo

[slim hamlet]

For most shadowlands lore doesn't even exist

Because xd

[oak sky]

its a borrowed power expansion long system

[slim hamlet]

I guess if someone dies, we just go get em in the after life

Oh we can't take em back

well we can't cry or make any sad event ever

We can just go see them

[jaunty lotus]

They all went to bastion and lost their memories

Also became blue blobs so you can't recognize them

[slim hamlet]

All our friends become our anima charged cp

[jaunty lotus]

That's what friends are for, right?

[slim hamlet]

RIP

[jaunty lotus]

I don't know, I don't have any

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

reminder that the SL are closed

there is no "just go there lmao" anymore

[jade abyss]

In Naruto was a guy he do that 🤔 i cant remember but i think his name was kimimarou or something like that

[royal lantern]

i mean, i can understand that people say "throwing a spear made out of Bones with necromancy into your enemy" doesnt really feels Like a ROGUE ability

when it also could be, dunno a throwing knife that does absolutely the same

[vestal wren]

Ambush/Mutilate:
Purpose: Mutilate/Ambush on one button, automatically adjusting for Blindside procs.
Addon Requirement:https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gse-gnome-sequencer-enhanced-advanced-macros
Details/Shortcomings:

• Can Required multiple key presses
  How to Video:

[subtle tundra]

ww😐

[vestal wren]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[regal sable]

is the dtb poison thing a bug

[vestal wren]

alright, sry for the interruption

[regal sable]

that it clears every instance

[vestal wren]

just needed to update the video given that the interface of the addon changed

[regal sable]

thanks fuu

love u forever

[jade abyss]

Fuu legend

[subtle tundra]

@vestal wren level check?

[vestal wren]

66

[subtle tundra]

lets go

[vestal wren]

*67

[subtle tundra]

oh.

im a proud 62er

[vestal wren]

wanted to reach 70 yesterday

but only started late

then had big issues with lag

basically it took me 1 -2 minutes too loot somehting or turn in/accept a quest

every time

[subtle tundra]

good thing im playing now cause i aint had any lag

would've been frustrating

[vestal wren]

we started a bit earlier without problems, but around 6pm it became at least for me fairly ... unplayable

[subtle tundra]

probably the workers came home

xd

[vestal wren]

we did continue still, even tho i would probably not have

but my gf insisted

well, will be probably fast to 70

but there isn't much hurry

[subtle tundra]

yea. get to 70 asap to do what
spam heroics xd?

[vestal wren]

mythic 0 and some worldquest content i assume

[subtle tundra]

i dont even know where i can see my xp bar

[vestal wren]

i use bartender

and but it at the bottom

[earnest imp]

Guess there's not much power to be gained this week, but getting even 2 chars to 70 and doing all m0 and profession leveling is a chore for the working man

[vestal wren]

btw. i am still not super hyped about dragon riding

[earnest imp]

I hate it

[vestal wren]

i think it is nice to have a flying mount during leveling

but the entire zone is designed around dragon riding

[earnest imp]

Especially as you are on the ground and don't have energy, the dragon looks handicapped when walking on ground

[vestal wren]

so if you e.g. have a alt for gathering professions that is druid

you need to basically use dragon riding to get to the gathering nodes 70% of the time

instead of just running around gathering

[earnest imp]

We were guessing this is to combat bots aswell

[vestal wren]

also the recharge is very slow and interface does not make it obvious when/how you generate charges during flying (i know there is a weakaura to fix that)

i don't complain, i get how it works etc. but also if you want to reach a mountain top from the very bottom

you just going to run out of charges

and need to sit somewhere in between for 2+ minutes recharging

[vestal wren]

possible

[earnest imp]

But yeah, not fun for me either

[vestal wren]

lets say it this way

[subtle tundra]

just kinda annoying to sometimes wait for vigor for me

[vestal wren]

when i listened to one of the big(er) streamers saying "this is the biggest thing in wow history, and people will for months or even years talk about how genius dragonflying is"

[grand trail]

Assa is much fun in heroic, looking forward to be playing m0 today

Very refreshing after outlaw spam

[vestal wren]

i did keep a healthy skeptical opinion

nice, how do you like the dungeons?

[subtle tundra]

its very much just fking annoying in the dragonriding dungeon

[midnight mist]

I mean I kinda agree with this statement tho lol

[earnest imp]

Well most people that spend a lot of time in this game enjoy the end game content, this flying around with dragons have nothing to do with core gameplay after leveling

[midnight mist]

I think there is some issues with dragon riding but for the most part its pretty cool

[grand trail]

They are lovely, really like dragonflight so far. Did not play during SL tho

[earnest imp]

And if they make instances with this riding shit il unsubscribe

[vestal wren]

i think it is a lot better once you unlocked the runes

and it becomes more of a improved flying

[midnight mist]

I only play for end game content and its the first time I have enjoyed a more "casual" thing

[subtle tundra]

i love having to kill a high health mob and dagger proc twice in a row

[vestal wren]

given that you move around at three times the normal flying speed

[midnight mist]

I mean its just way more involved, olds mount are just a glorified loading screen

[earnest imp]

Fair, just for me it's something I think I don't do much of after leveling

I liked to afk on flying and watch YouTube while going somewhere

[vestal wren]

it becomes fairly similar once you have the runes

if we compare it

would be "loading screen with a button press as quick time event in set intervalls"

[midnight mist]

true

I really like it tho lol

[earnest imp]

Yeah I haven't gotten any of the runes maybe that's why I hate it

[vestal wren]

but 3 times the loading time

[midnight mist]

idk, never enjoyed leveling, I still dont enjoy it but at least dragonriding is fun

[vestal wren]

so thats nice

the races are nice

[strange python]

oh no, no no no no, exsang and reprimand... 😦 say it aint so

[vestal wren]

don't think i will do them more than once or twice tho

[vestal wren]

exsang is your best friend

[midnight mist]

Like I dont enjoy killing the mobs but I enjoy flying aroudn to the next quests

[vestal wren]

[midnight mist]

and I think thats quite a bit achievement from blizzard

[earnest imp]

I have to say, playing with talented ER kinda makes Exsang fine

[midnight mist]

to make you enjoy something as boring as going from point a to b

[earnest imp]

I also got a lot of disconnects with dragonriding yday

Like, a lot

Basicly mostly happens when flying inside a house etc

[midnight mist]

I started leveling like 15 hrs late and experience has been pretty smooth for now

just had a disconnect during a cinematic

[subtle tundra]

started leveling 3 hours ago and it has been smooth

[strange python]

manm exsang and echoing was not the news i was hoping for coming back, unfun playstyle for me rip

[vestal wren]

nice 👍

[grand trail]

I started leveling at the launch and spent good 2 hours progressing zeppelin. Since than no issue with dc or bugs

[earnest imp]

Looking forward to dungeon play aswell, I have high hopes for Assa

Think the silence and dmg reduction is gonna be crazy good

Being able to aoe silence for a long duration should be biggus dikkus

[subtle tundra]

i can confirm its good 🙂

[earnest imp]

Im pretty sure even it's not ideal, vanish IC garrotes mid pack on dangerous situations

[subtle tundra]

i will go for +20 first week as assa

[earnest imp]

Should be golden

[subtle tundra]

you wont hold it unless you make do a pull around it

and need to survive

[grand trail]

By the way, what's the rules for Tempest? Do I use it for dot or I spam it instead of envenom for bigger packs? I kinda like poison bomb procs 😄

[earnest imp]

Yes, but I think that's gonna be a thing to save it for that use

Will see

No idea do we have how shitty pulls to work with

The fact that we have a tool like that, I think it's cool af and underestimated

Everyone was surprised when I said il play Assa and not outlaw from the get go

[subtle tundra]

nooo i got dc'd

hmm i keep getting disconnected when i log my char

[lavish wing]

why do we get our poisons reset on lvl up 😄

[subtle tundra]

hasnt happened to me

[slim hamlet]

Me neither

But sometimes when dragonriding it resets

[iron orchid]

you can have a good idea of the rotation in AoE by checking #assassination-faq or taking a look at either rotation guide on wowhead, maybe even the link to Method guide which should be in first pin

[grand trail]

I did

So it's on 6 targets + so I stick with fishing poison bomb procs

[slim hamlet]

Imma just do CT for bleed and envenom for prio + pb dmg

[lavish wing]

I just hearthstoned and lost poisons again 😄

it might be only with DTB

[royal lantern]

nah, also losing with with dragonflying and no DTB

[lavish wing]

went to the boat to sw, guess what... yup, lost poisons 😄

[royal lantern]

is that a assa only thing, or happens in the other Specs aswell?

[lavish wing]

didnt try

[slim hamlet]

Happened for sub too

leveled first few as sub and it got removed

However also before dragonriding, so idk what does it tbh

[thorn crater]

how long should we hold on to sylvanas dagger

hm i guess sim yourself is the simple answer

[subtle tundra]

no

spam whispyr

[thorn crater]

lmao

ye sure

[oblique wasp]

guys how are you doing? how do you feel about DF? I am still leveling because I want to do all the quests and renowns, leveling as assassination is the best thing ever ...... I am still in the beginning of 1st storyline in Waking Shore and I have almost 64

[slim hamlet]

The quests in this expansion is the best in the game imo

[subtle tundra]

its probably you liking dragonriding

[slim hamlet]

Really great at showing what's happening instead of telling + lots of meme/special quests

[slim hamlet]

Don't think so

[subtle tundra]

sorry what

[proper summit]

spoilers pls

[oblique wasp]

oops corrected

removed from existence now

[subtle tundra]

yea idk i cant say i pay attention to whats happening

[oblique wasp]

anyways it is really great expansion, I am looking forward to all the wonders there

[slim hamlet]

Real gamer

[subtle tundra]

the faster to 70 the better

[signal pier]

im doing all sidequests

[oblique wasp]

I am doing all side quests and doing all the mobs I come across while going on foot

[subtle tundra]

doing all mandatory things so i can stop playing asap 🫡

wake me up when m+ is out

[signal pier]

I don't leave a zone till i get the achievement for completing all storylines on it, im level 69 and started the 3rd zone

it gives rep, which i dont know if it's good or not

[subtle tundra]

there's nothing big from rep power wise

[oblique wasp]

I want all quest achievements and few are linked to max renowns so I am grinding renowns as well

[signal pier]

i heard professions are good and u get recipes from reps? or that was a false rumor

[subtle tundra]

you dont need professions

you can get stuff from other peopple

[oblique wasp]

I believe its more like cosmetics and utilities

[signal pier]

i see

well, i already committed so i have to finish it

nothing else to do but m0 anyways

[subtle tundra]

good

[somber fractal]

so we really skip SBS with DTB now?

[subtle tundra]

i've got to say i actually prefer old flying over dragonflying

[signal pier]

i like the fact we get flying while leveling, having vertical freedom is a big QoL

[subtle tundra]

it feels that way cause the zones are designed with dragonflying

in mind

[signal pier]

definitely, they made everything bigger and taller for that reason, but being able to move over things just feels better

[thorn crater]

pleb gear outlaw feels so much stronger now that opnly normal mythics are out

[signal pier]

i like it only for leveling, after that it'll be boring since we would be spamming instances

[thorn crater]

sigh

[oblique wasp]

I never really got into the outlaw for leveling .... what would say are its best pluses?

[signal pier]

I was referring to dragonriding not outlaw

[oblique wasp]

apologies my oversight

[royal lantern]

1 of your many shittakes

varas needs dungeons

[shrewd night]

Old flying was boring. Dummies were afking up in the air. At least now they will be within gankingdistance.

[oblique wasp]

If they afk they fall down yes?

[granite ermine]

we want haste mastery over crit mastery right

for Assa

[oblique wasp]

Crit mastery i believe

[outer lodge]

Any rares in any of the zones drop an Agi dagger worth grabbing as a fresh 70?

[fallen arch]

Did they change the range on Shadowstep?

Or am I missing a conduit I never bothered to change/look at

[wheat seal]

Crit = Mastery > Haste

[dark token]

lol

[viscid spear]

Probably

[teal bloom]

There was a conduit that increased its range and decreased its cooldown

[fallen arch]

Oh

I want it back

[thorn fjord]

First set of M0s done and I’m not even at 360 😞

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue

[thorn fjord]

Yeah seriously

DH in our stack got like 11 pieces total lol

[subtle tundra]

No point to really care

Tbh

[dark token]

my boomie looted 10 items i looted 4

wrong reply but yeah

[simple gulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[royal lantern]

im lvl 64

🙂

[subtle tundra]

I'm 66 and at the gym 🫡

No hurry

[royal lantern]

doctor visit in 1hour, then car stuff, probs at home at 8-9pm

work tomorrow so sleep at 12

[fallen arch]

Fastest leveling expac yet

Shadowlands wasn't nearly as fast I feel

[kind forge]

you need to be careful not to get stuck in sidequests

atleast thats what i heard

[subtle tundra]

I mean it's pretty hard to unintentionally do side quests. The main ones look different

[kind forge]

unintentionally is not what i meant, but yes you are right

[outer cairn]

Should we pool energy despite Thistle Tea? If so, what's a good number to pool to since we have 170 energy

[lavish lichen]

Finish FAST! So you can afk the rest of the week

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[teal iris]

I'm doing sidequests for loremaster and I was nearly 69 by the end of ohn'aran plains

[kind forge]

release day loremaster are the real chads

[copper hazel]

More side quests = more gold

Plus get to find hidden stuff

[lavish wing]

nice

i know its waay to early, but still assa looks nice, even with all those buttons

even... even exsang 😛

[outer cairn]

with the ER, Rupture, Exsang combo, its basically fire and forget

[lavish wing]

the only thing I find weird is that rupture+ER+rupture part

[outer cairn]

in the open?

[lavish wing]

but i guess we dont wanna waste cp

y

[outer cairn]

I think we rupture to get the timer rolling so that when we rupture with the AC CP, it gives us the longest Rupture duration

otherwise it would be shorter

maybe

[limber monolith]

Hi all, is there a macro that works for Blindside, using Ambush when available or Mutilate otherwise?

[outer cairn]

no

well, probably, but you gotta do some stuff and use addons

[lavish wing]

just bind it.. just bind it

Michael Jackson - Bind it 😛

[kind forge]

#assassination message

@limber monolith

fuu posted something for it

[craggy gust]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I'll probably never play ER :/. All the guides seem to have it added as the go to

[lavish wing]

its good

[craggy gust]

I never used it in shadowlands either, it just seems like a terrible mechanic to me

[lavish lichen]

I think its great

Its like play whacking a mole

[lavish wing]

with RC it can also be a good way to fire more envenoms during shiv

[limber monolith]

Ty, I saw that, but the explanation wasn't clear as there was no audio.. also not sure if it is legal or not

[lavish wing]

but ye, it takes time a bit to get used for aiming at AC CP

but whoever played kyrian sub will have no probs as assa 😄

[craggy gust]

Thistle tea is interesting to me though, that mastery boost looks really nice

I also like the armor pen talent right before shadowdance.

[lavish wing]

eh

assa has no use of it

[heady merlin]

I feel we have so much energy regain

[lavish wing]

well, very little

[craggy gust]

Well yea not enough steal thing for us

[outer cairn]

why I asked do we need to pool energy or we go ham and pop tea

but eventually we run out of tea

so

[craggy gust]

Not gonna take it but it makes me curious if we can make it work somehow

[heady merlin]

We are still in the begining of the xpac so things will change over time for sure

[lavish wing]

assa usually scales better later into xpac

[heady merlin]

facts

[outer cairn]

yeah I know haste isn't one of our best stats now, but starting to replace gear, my secondaries have tanked and I can feel that energy starve a bit

[heady merlin]

we are super gear dependent

[craggy gust]

These trees make me want to experiment more

[heady merlin]

welp was about to get back on the grind but servers are down right now

[craggy gust]

Fuck

Im playing at work

[heady merlin]

think its an hour maintence i believe

[craggy gust]

Oh ok that's not bad

[subtle tundra]

oh no

what am i reading

[craggy gust]

I'm almost 70 wanna finish up before work

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn’t get my hopes up tbh

[dense cedar]

rogue gifs

[peak bobcat]

Haste does not equal energy

You’re welcome

[gusty mirage]

But think of the 1 or 2 extra energy you might get Tyler

Super noticeable

[peak bobcat]

True one mutilate cast extra per minute

Insane APM

[celest ruin]

we ⚖ 📈 💯

[fading vessel]

Is assa good for dungeons now?

I saw an assa rogue and he rlly pumped the dungeon

[gusty mirage]

Yea, it’ll be a bit rough in lower dungeons when people get more gear

But once mobs live longer than 5s it’ll do well

[lavish lichen]

I guess the question is always will it be better than the other specs?

We’ll find out 😔

[fading vessel]

okok is there a guide for mm+ roattion?

on aoe

never played assa on MM+ only single target

[plain cipher]

I heard somewhere Sylvanas dagger edge of night of still good at 70 because it still procs that true?

[gleaming geyser]

check #assassination-faq it has M+ opener rotation

[gleaming geyser]

.

[slim hamlet]

Better than the ilvl we can get now it seems

[outer cairn]

More time for cds to come back up to.

[outer cairn]

Yeah BB didn’t get disabled. Had a higher ilvl dagger and simmed and EoN still trucking

[lavish wing]

I dont think they will ever live long enough to see 2xIC

[outer cairn]

No, but time for it to come up for the next pack is what I mean

Hopefully

[lavish wing]

Not sure, tight

Btw which Sylvanas daggers, I have hc ones only

[thorny pond]

morning boys

[lavish lichen]

Sim it

It will depend on how lucky you get

You can maybe beat out a heroic but I’m not 100%

[civic niche]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[outer cairn]

I have two 311s, so until BB gets disabled, I imagine they will last for some time

[lavish wing]

Nice

[brazen zodiac]

!!!

[heady merlin]

noice servers are back up

that maintence didnt take long at all

quick question do we ever use ambush in stealth or is it always garrote

[viscid spear]

I went out and did my grocery shopping for the week so that was Gucci

[plain cipher]

285? the welfare ones you buy with dinars

[lavish wing]

I bought em for dinars but upgraded

To hc

298 is the ilvl

(I think)

[idle radish]

im doing world quests as assa, is that dumb of me

[slim hamlet]

it's wq

do whatever you want

No one is logging

[idle radish]

i am

[brazen zodiac]

have fun :D

[idle radish]

93% parse on that wq

[slim hamlet]

I'm grey parsing

[idle radish]

make sure posion is set to ON

[thorn crater]

are the darkmoon decks worth their money?

[viscid spear]

How desperate are you for ilvl? No raids or M+ yet, so I wouldn't think they're worth it

[thorn crater]

im asking whether im gonna talent into them for inscription

smartass XD

[viscid spear]

Your question didn't imply you were asking from a profession point of view

But I still love you

[magic gale]

am i supposed to be 0 energy for years on m+

[gusty mirage]

No, are you spreading bleeds?

[magic gale]

like when i have indis carnage everything is fine

[gusty mirage]

You need to spread bleeds manually when you don’t have carnage up

[magic gale]

but other than that from stealth 3x garrote tempest and im bascially 0 energy for ever

[gusty mirage]

Otherwise you’ll starve

You need ruptures for energy

[wary ice]

Make sure you're using deadly or Amp poison

[magic gale]

oo i've been using instant

[wary ice]

🧠 I Def did that b4

[magic gale]

gigabrain 😄

[royal lantern]

check venemous wounds and find the problem

[magic gale]

: D

thanks

[wary ice]

U should also still manually spread ruptures when you don't have a ct to maintain or whatever the prio is idk how to play this spec

[magic gale]

yeah i switched over from outlaw from last pack

[royal lantern]

daily reminder

that exsang needs to be reworked or deleted

[haughty lily]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fleet whale]

Well whispyr said that assassin ST is about 10% above must specs, and exsang is a 7.5% talent
So if I don't take exsang, I would still be simming 2.5% above must specs in ST

big maths

[royal lantern]

step on lego cutie

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather French kiss a moving semi truck

[visual prairie]

you can replace exsang with something that provides some %, so it would be more than 2.5%

still

[gray crest]

Replace exsang with a talent that advances your bleeds by X seconds when your mutilate crits with both daggers.
Just like sub rogue had in WoD w/ multistrike.
I will die on this hill

[verbal knot]

i swear everytime i click on this channel exsang is always the subject

[timber meadow]

when do you use deathmark on aoe pulls?

[verbal knot]

use it on the big boi

or prio target

[timber meadow]

awesome thanks for that

oh wow I've been tryna apply way too many ruptures on pull

[subtle tundra]

thats with ic

[oblique jackal]

where do u see this at

[timber meadow]

yeah I've been using ic, getting garrotes up, using ct and then er and applying ruptures

before going into exang

[balmy condor]

IC spreads the rupture

[timber meadow]

i mainly play otulaw but figure I should know how to play assa somewhat competantly given how good its st is

[balmy condor]

You don’t need to spread them

[timber meadow]

i thought ic spreads the garrote

[balmy condor]

It does

[timber meadow]

like id ic, garrote from stealth

ct

ohh

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[timber meadow]

i see

so you just wait

for the next one

[balmy condor]

What

[timber meadow]

and get ruptures on everything with that

[balmy condor]

IC spreads both

[timber meadow]

ohhh

sorry

its morning and im an assa noob

i see

i thought it was OR

[balmy condor]

Nop

[timber meadow]

that makes things much more clera

thanks for that

so the aoe dmg comes from getting ruptures+garrotes on everythign with ic and ct

the rest is mostly just prio dmg?

also, should I be applying garrotes on cd basically?

[stiff geyser]

In AOE or ST?

[timber meadow]

aoe

[stiff geyser]

On targets that don’t have it. Also don’t overwrite your empowered ones.

[timber meadow]

okay, hm is there some sorta ui functionality to easier see which mobs have emppowered garrotes vs. normal garrotes?

[stiff geyser]

I can’t speak to that one unfortunately. It likely won’t be very easy to do as you’ll only be able to apply one every 10 seconds or whatever it is. Likely not a huge concern.

[timber meadow]

so in this diagram, there's no slice/diece - do you ever use slice/dice in aoe? Think I was looking at wowheads aoe rotation and it had slice/dice

[gleaming geyser]

on AoE, most pulls wont last past 1 full IC empowered garrote so you wouldnt refresh them anyway

you wait until you first garrote falls off then start reapplying, not that hard

[timber meadow]

yeah seems pretty easy

[stiff geyser]

In prepatch Why did it feel like spamming CT after initial DOT application provided higher DPS than maintaining bleeds?

[gleaming geyser]

You can still spam CT instead of Evenom on high target pulls

as for prepatch, maybe scaling?

[timber meadow]

yeah i imagine that envenom in the diagram can be replaced by a ct on bigger pulls

[wheat seal]

Has anyone of you played Assasination and leveled through Azure Span? It's redicolous how much dmg this mobs deal to you amd when there are groups of 3+ im struggling to be alive 😄

[balmy condor]

Yeah I leveled the whole way through

Azure is where the mobs actually catch up to your gear levels

It’s rough but not awful

Just gotta leech through it

Wrong chat and no

You can do a stance:0

But that wouldn’t work with audacity

[outer arrow]

Ayo, it is of my understanding that i want to always pair Er=>Exang, how bad of an idea is to castsequence it together?

[spice spire]

Very

[outer arrow]

i started to get pouned at Thaldraszus

[spice spire]

Eh I guess not very; but casting together gets fucky

[outer arrow]

not together(icd), in sequence

i just have to be cautious to apply a new rupture before pressing the button again

but it saves me a keybind

im just asking because i remember pairing CDs for sub was a mistake i was corrected here of doing

having like 3-4 new buttons is something i'm not used to with the spec

[lime briar]

im confused about the interaction between kingsbane and shiv - do I kingsbane -> shiv -> shiv to get max poison application? the opener for multi target uses shiv before kingsbane so not sure what the purpose of that is

[oak sky]

Its basically to fit your whole kingsbane in deathmark

If you shiv before you lose a second of poison applications on kingsbane

[lime briar]

i see that makes sense now

why does shiv go before kingsbane on the M+ opener then?

[oak sky]

I think its because you dont envenom before your kingsbane in m+ so you have a spare global for shiv?

[lime briar]

ohhh i see what you mean now

hmm i would have thought you wanted both shivs after you cast kingsbane to make use of the 20% damage increase

[uneven summit]

Crafted items, whats the game plan hehe

[balmy condor]

Neck

[uneven summit]

Elemental Lariat `?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[celest helm]

are you running IC? i blasted down packs pretty quick

[wheat seal]

IC?

[outer arrow]

Indiscriminate Carnage

[graceful bane]

at what Ilvl should I stop using mythic slyv daggers since the proc is still working?

[dark token]

when it sims worse

still beats my 359 dagger mostly because of the sinful revelation enchant

and i havent been enchanting my shit gear

[nocturne roost]

might be a stupid question but i didnt see it in the guide, whats our stat prio now if it isnt haste

[dark token]

the other 2 stats

[nocturne roost]

ok yep im blind thx ^^

[cerulean nest]

literally just this?

as of now?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean nest]

kk

these sims are hilarious compared to guildies

like 15 ilvls lower and the patchwerk isnt even close

[balmy condor]

yep, we're really strong

[cerulean nest]

after opening in m+, whats the priority in terms of ruptures. just main target and then however many others you can get while keeping CT rolling?

[dark token]

have you done a dungeon as sin

like 45k on a boss everyone else doing 25k

[balmy condor]

if you're trying to do the most aoe possible, you will want to just maintain enough bleeds to keep you saturated

[oak sky]

We hard gap dungeon st

[cerulean nest]

yeah I have thats what I'm saying

[cerulean nest]

ty

when you have IC too opening on packs is explosive

will feel great once Im a bit more used to it

havent done keys as sin since sod lol

I would also love to spend some time on sub but I really dislike the danse macabre thing

just feels weird and bad

[thorny pond]

SHIMMY RIGHT

[crude sinew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[shrewd plinth]

Is resounding clarity broken rn?

I use it on kidney shot and its only do its combo point equiv? not 7

[dense cedar]

shouldn't have used the trinket

[wheat seal]

The whole rogue is broken 😄

[dense cedar]

only increases damaging finishers iirc

[shrewd plinth]

Ahhh

[shrewd plinth]

lmaooo

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[shrewd plinth]

Just looking at the updated talents for ST/Sustain

Do I neeeeeed exsanguinate

;-;

[subtle tundra]

yes

[peak bobcat]

The keybinds hurts my soul

[shrewd plinth]

;-;

But it suckkkkss

[subtle tundra]

its cool

[peak bobcat]

Does DTB pull ahead in cleave? Or should we just swap a point around for CT?

[subtle tundra]

you always have ct

on 2t+

[peak bobcat]

So most raid fights we will be playing it presumably

[marsh wharf]

why does this say increased to 12 yards

when default is 13...

also when you take the talent it makes it 15 yards

lmao

[misty holly]

You're getting +3 from acrobatic strikes

[marsh wharf]

oh hmmmm

that's confusing lmao

[subtle tundra]

they still havent fixed ic garrote agaisnt immune targets...

[balmy condor]

kidney shot isn't a damaging finishing move

doesn't work on slice and dice either

[shrewd plinth]

Ah okay I just cant read

[hollow nebula]

hey guys!

[balmy condor]

hello

[balmy condor]

and I stand by that

[ruby birch]

whispyr

are u guys still running eon in off hand

[balmy condor]

yeh ofc

[ruby birch]

for sub eon oh still bis execute over 424 dagger

[balmy condor]

yeh

[ruby birch]

actually grim that 113 ilvls isnt enough

[untold mortar]

exsang -> deathmark or deathmark -> exsang?

[ruby birch]

never exsang in deathmark iirc

because it fucks your deathmark

[balmy condor]

yep

faq talks about it

[untold mortar]

ty

[quaint burrow]

i need to get the sno guy that wrote half the classic rogue wa's to come put them in retail cause the 3 packages are way too much compared to his work there

[oblique jackal]

i just got both BiS trinkets

[iron orchid]

BB not working anymore

it's disabled for me

rn

Text is red on my EoN

[brazen zodiac]

whisypr!!!

nice guide just finished reading it

[next edge]

Thanks god they just fixed all SL weapons

Gavel and Eon got fixed

[steel sorrel]

What do you mean? Was it broken?

[next edge]

It was working in DF

they just disabled

[steel sorrel]

So not so BiS in OH anymore xD

[oak sky]

Does it disable at 70

Or just disabled altogether

[next edge]

Disabled at 61 i think

at 60 i nfact

[oak sky]

Thats tough

It was actually really nice for leveling

It being disabled for actual content makes sense though

[next edge]

yeah it was simming crazy

[rich scaffold]

Are we playing TT in Dungeons?

[balmy condor]

you can

it's more boss damage

less aoe

should be fine to do either

[steel sorrel]

May I ask how much overall you guys are pulling in dungeons atm? Never see another rogue and do about 25-35k overall myself usually

[balmy condor]

I'm around 25k at 300 ilvl atm

[thorn fjord]

So wait it’s confirmed Ron was turned off?

[steel sorrel]

Yeah, I feel like I am doing something very wrong then. Iam at 359

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn fjord]

About a day till raid bots reflects?

[balmy condor]

I mean

do you need raidbots for that?

[thorn fjord]

I know it’s trivial

Sweaty Betty out here

[balmy condor]

I assume raidbots will update with it in the next couple days yeah

[next edge]

i mean

I dont think overall

[balmy condor]

but you just don't sim it

[next edge]

matters at all

on m9

[balmy condor]

just unequip it

[thorn fjord]

But the memories

😩

[steel sorrel]

Do you play with KB + IC build?

[balmy condor]

ye

[steel sorrel]

Ok, I need to study this alot then. Seems like I am doing something very wrong and need to learn before prog raids xD

[oak sky]

Off to void storage

[drifting cloud]

does a 311 dagger with no stats beat a 415 I need the sims

[oak sky]

Real

I accidentally had my loot spec is outlaw so i missed out on a dagger from some box i opened

[copper hazel]

So they nerfed gavel then, how long before eon

[subtle tundra]

probably same time

[copper hazel]

Eon isn't as strong as gavel though surely

[thorn fjord]

Whispyr just said it’s off already

[copper hazel]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

oh you meant that

yea its disabled

[copper hazel]

Ah well

[next edge]

They both disabled lol

[thorn fjord]

Had no luck with daggers so far

[copper hazel]

Wowhead didn't feel like saying anything about eon, just gavel. Selective news reporting I suppose

[thorn fjord]

Fake news

This sucks I vendored some of hand worthy weapons yesterday lol

[neat plank]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[lavish lichen]

no they need to make a new link for more clicks

[thorn fjord]

Hope that show in restore

[copper hazel]

True lol

[strange python]

Is there a reason my FoK only gives 1cp on aoe ?

[dense cedar]

bad luck

[trim zinc]

isnt it like rng? or am i dumb?

[thorn fjord]

Based off of Frita

[gusty mirage]

based on crit

[thorn fjord]

Crits*

[gusty mirage]

or frita

[royal lantern]

why was it outlaw anyway

[gusty mirage]

agreon rn:

[royal lantern]

oh no, eon disabled

nobody saw that comming

NOBODY

[gusty mirage]

I can't believe they'd do that to us

[thorn fjord]

They could have done it before I vendored all my weapons

Now we pray for item restore

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats....just stupid, sorry xD

[thorn fjord]

They were like 340-350 something off hands

Not the end of the world

Still got a 375 mh

[graceful bane]

sylv diggers just got disabled

[cedar silo]

i just noticed that =/

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[balmy condor]

Why would blizzard do this

[cedar silo]

anyone else feel like sin is really frigen strong compared to other 2 specs? or is it just me

[balmy condor]

It is

Because it is that strong

[granite bluff]

in M+?

or general

dungs i mean

[cedar silo]

general i feel like

[balmy condor]

Mostly single target

[granite bluff]

im about to switch from outlaw for M0s

ill see how it is in dungeuns

[cedar silo]

i dont even think i have correct sub stats and i feel like im blasting compared to when i was outlaw

[balmy condor]

Stats mattering

[cedar silo]

its crit than mastery right

[drifting cloud]

do you have the best stat, ilvl

[cedar silo]

im 350 rn with bad weps but im demolishing in dungeons some how i pray i get a wep today lol

[oak sky]

S4 after i had double 311

[cedar silo]

i cant do m0 till friday tho for guild runs

[royal lantern]

playing outlaw

disgusting

deserved mate, sorry

[median beacon]

bis list where

[cedar silo]

yea id love to see a bid list

bis

[thorn fjord]

Wowhead

[white temple]

Guys, did anyone already noticed that sometimes your garrote won't go out with IC?

[graceful bane]

been on specific mobs for me.

[grand trail]

hello, is darkmoon deck rime any good?

[oak sky]

only in keys

[dark token]

How much are you doing outlaw vs sub vs sin?

Haven't tried sub since I don't want to learn a bugged cold blood playstyle that will be fixed

[slim estuary]

Out of interest did many of guys level as sin? I remember it being rough on previous expansions

[royal lantern]

d i s g u s t i n g

[west swallow]

could someone explain the mythic opener/rotation to me like im 5? i looked on wowhead and for some reason its not clicking in the empty space i call my head

[royal lantern]

tl:dr

use carnage in stealth and garrote for big garrote on everything

spread garrote for cp/prolonged timer on your main targer

CT cus CT

ER for 7cp rupture

then the normal single target stuff, aka use everything that has a cd (but exsang BEFORE you use DM, delete or rework exsang btw)

[lofty bluff]

Wait does assass have atrophic poison?

[umbral saffron]

every rogue does

[white temple]

Yeah, it's Rogue specific

[lofty bluff]

OH its under numbing

[white temple]

Not spec

[lofty bluff]

I see

[echo heath]

what enchants are we using?

[limber lion]

on

what?

and what content

[echo heath]

main hand / offhand

dungeons for now

[limber lion]

Sophic Devotion, maybe something else for AoE/M+

but Sophic Devotion is a good safe bet

[echo heath]

thanks