assassination

[uncut echo]

They need to ole yeller exsang

[night delta]

Honestly if sin is indeed overpowered, and most of us are unsatisfied and complaining about exsang

There should be a slam dunk

[hollow river]

i disagree

while it is obviously too strong for it's placement in the tree, i think it's fine as is

nerfing it to say, 50% speed, would just be lame af

[midnight atlas]

exang aint that bad, you play without it you just fall asleep at the keyboard

[hollow river]

maybe if there was actually a redesign, a practically new ability, idk. but i don't mind it as is at all.

[night delta]

I'm a proponent of bringing exsang to 2min CD

[hollow river]

and i think the community is more or less 50/50 on it. you just see people voicing negative opinions more as people that are content are less likely to voice such

[hollow river]

i think 1min CD would be considerable

not a horrid idea tbh

[night delta]

Make it line up with other cds encourages to use it during burst, like its description suggests it should be

[hollow river]

line it up with our main cd, etc

yeah

i think more people would enjoy it that way

[night delta]

As for ST dominance, idk. Feels like an aura nerf would demolish our hard-earned viableness in multi

: /

[dense cedar]

we should get a 4% aura buff

[uncut echo]

Bro exsang is getting slammed

2 min 50% speed is

Still ahead of all options

[brazen zodiac]

always has. yo @hollow river whats goin on

[dawn merlin]

This would be nice tbh

[uncut echo]

Fuck exsang

[hollow river]

2min cd sounds boring af

[dawn merlin]

It would be as boring as deathmark

Ye

[hollow river]

heyo how ya doing? i'm just chillin playin rs atm

[gentle apex]

exsang makes it so you don't want to refresh the pandemic timer right

until it expires

[hollow river]

ye

[uncut echo]

Bro who cares about borinf

Exsang shouldnt exist

[night delta]

Disagree

[hollow river]

i do, and i like the ability

[night delta]

It shouldn't be that good true

Imo it should be niche, but strong in its niche

But it existing isn't in itself an L

[uncut echo]

It turbo is

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-opinion-gif-25791527

[hollow river]

[gentle apex]

you want dots but you don't want to make it easier to make more dots

you want 60 minute dots play warlock

corruption lasts forever

[uncut echo]

I mean when you zoomers complain about wanting to keep exsang

And our shit doesnt hit for dick in m+

[hollow river]

zoomers?

[uncut echo]

Don't cry here when you need to mainswap

[hollow river]

i won't need to mainswap

so

[gentle apex]

IC is going to suck until we get to 15s

but

I'm likely leveling sub or outlaw like everyone else

[pliant roost]

When do we think BiS gear/consumable lists get released?

[final star]

there is no bis gearlist

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[final star]

consumables are on here

[night delta]

I mean, so does sbs

[pliant roost]

Thanks

[dense cedar]

afflock fun

[midnight mist]

Careful about consumables the highest simming one won't be played probably

Like one requires you to stay still

Other to be apart from allies

[balmy condor]

yeah sim consumables are giga omega dumb

better to just follow guides

they won't recommend insane consumables

[brazen zodiac]

nicenice, im good, grinding professions rn

enjoying some 5 am mashed potatoes

[hollow river]

nice! i need to get on that too

[uncut echo]

Osrs trickz?

Or regular rs3

[hollow river]

almost have 1 of every class leveled to have every profession in DF

[hollow river]

yes, osrs

[uncut echo]

Based, what's your total lvl.

?

[brazen zodiac]

lol im doin that but on classic rn

bouta target inscription, its hard with those professions cuz ofthe need for gathering profession

[hollow river]

i literally just picked it back up tn, barely played a couple yrs ago. i'm like 87cb

[uncut echo]

Yooge lmao. I'm on the max grind. 2105 rn

[hollow river]

i'm thinking about going for it tbh. long ways away though.

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

[strange python]

guys

we can have like 40% damage reduction from Feint?

[uncut echo]

20 iirc

With elusive

[hollow river]

40% for AoE effects only

[strange python]

k

its op talent

than cheat death

[hollow river]

20% pure DR with elusiveness

[strange python]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

Not when compared to cheat death rly

[uncut echo]

Cheat is infinitely better

[strange python]

WAIT

THE FK

15 SECONDS??

that's broken

lol

[slim hamlet]

but it's up against cheat

sooo

[hollow river]

we've had this for a long time

[uncut echo]

Bruh it used ti have a 6 second cd

[strange python]

for pvp

[hollow river]

yep

[strange python]

holy

[uncut echo]

No one cares about pvp

[final star]

bruh it used to not have a cd

[hollow river]

for pvp elusiveness is typically the play

[uncut echo]

Rogue mages goes cheat

[hollow river]

[uncut echo]

Until you're good

But you need to be megamind to play rogue in pvp

This shit is absurd

[slim hamlet]

Let be just triple my 38 binds

yep

[uncut echo]

Ye

Good rogue pvpers are the most coke riddled minds I've ever seen

[hollow river]

you only really need to do that to like 2 abilities

[slim hamlet]

I know

[hollow river]

varies from person to person, but 2-5ish

[slim hamlet]

But that wouldn't sound as absurd

[hollow river]

[slim hamlet]

I just have mouseover exist macro on all my cc and int

[strange python]

RLY

[slim hamlet]

Way better than 20 mil binds

[strange python]

bro

i think

warlock are disgusting in DF

[slim hamlet]

?

[uncut echo]

Of course they are

[slim hamlet]

Didn't they get pretty nerfed for pvp

[uncut echo]

They're warlocks

[strange python]

not rly

[uncut echo]

Also #pvp

[slim hamlet]

If we're still talking pvp

[strange python]

no need

i just said that warlocks are disgusting

[slim hamlet]

sin faq up

[uncut echo]

Exsang bad

[slim hamlet]

[uncut echo]

[strange python]

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

[midnight atlas]

lol everyone started reading and chat went ded

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

[uncut echo]

I want this one sm

[keen viper]

why i cannot copy paste the import on #assassination-faq ?

[brisk garnet]

Amazing work, is this all you Whispyr?

[midnight atlas]

works for me

[balmy condor]

the visuals weren't made by me, the word parts are

[balmy condor]

I'm going to say this is most likely a player issue

[viscid spear]

Stunning linguist as always

[keen viper]

I had to have it fullscreen got it 😄 sorry

[balmy condor]

you had to what

that shouldn't affect it

[brisk garnet]

Thanks! You, and the other guys here of course, consistently make playing rogue a massively better experience

[balmy condor]

we try our best

[keen viper]

my discord for some reason didnt want to copy when it wasnt fullscreen 😮

[balmy condor]

weird

[balmy condor]

my brain noodle put word sticky together real well

[verbal mantle]

Ima fix the mistakes asap sori

[balmy condor]

lmao you're good

I double checked them before they went out

but I forgot that they renamed all the fucking talents

[keen viper]

THank you so much for the guides for assassination 😄

[balmy condor]

Maim, Mangle is now systemic failure

who knew

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[verbal mantle]

yeh why would you rename maim anyway

[static glacier]

When maim isn’t kidney shot

Speaking of kidney, Gona miss internal bleeding

[meager fern]

Hello guys, complete noob assa here. Want to play around with assa last days of expansion. do i craft duskwalkers or zoldyck? Since vendetta do not exist anymore

[hollow river]

dusk works on DM

don't think it'll work once DF launches though

[meager fern]

Ah, makes sense then sorry!

[hollow river]

we still have it, on the assa spec tree

[static glacier]

What would you drop to take it

[hollow river]

you wouldn't. not in pve anyway

[static glacier]

Once you actually consider the tree for aoe it’s kinda impossible to take for pve

[sturdy merlin]

@balmy condor Great work on that faq

[balmy condor]

ty

[balmy condor]

I would honestly suggest not crafting anything honestly. Shadowlands legendaries only work in shadowlands, so unless you have some unfinished business you need to min-max for, it would just be a waste of time with the expansion releasing tomorrow

I say honestly a lot

I honestly need to stop doing that

filler words are bad for your health kids

stay in skuul

[mystic gate]

yeah honestly

[balmy condor]

[static glacier]

Try saying stuff like Absolutely, frankly, indeed etc

[meager fern]

its 9k gold to get a bit more feeling for the spec so i "investing" that gold. OFC not ideal, ty !

[static glacier]

Then you’ll sound like the ds3 narrator

INDEED

[dense cedar]

big OCE supporter, I see

[balmy condor]

we won't have legendaries in dragonflight though, I would be careful investing into duskwalker, getting a feeling for a 1 minute deathmark, and then logging in tomorrow and it's back to 2 minutes

but whatever you wanna do

the world is your oyster

[balmy condor]

I love.... water

or whatever they got going on

[meager fern]

yea maybe zoldyck would have been a better idea xD

[balmy condor]

the zoldyck legendary doesn't stack with the talent zoldyck btw

[final star]

frankly dn

[balmy condor]

keep that in mind

[broken quest]

I know this is a dumb question at this point, but how is assa looking for m+? We have a friend who is absolutely god awful at making his mind up with specs and we're trying to bully him into rogue but he refuses to play outlaw so I can teach him it and I have NO idea about assa

[balmy condor]

looking good

it seem at least competitive until the very highest levels

[broken quest]

merci merci

[dense cedar]

Whispyr doing those +40s as Sin

[balmy condor]

I don't support the french sorry

[broken quest]

xie xie xie xie

[thorn crater]

what is the very highest levels

what number

[rain berry]

is it me or assa may be top dps in single target? i've seen simulations and the difference is abysmal

[copper hazel]

between rogue specs? yes

other classes, uh, not sure

[uncut echo]

We are very, very high cross class.

Like, needs nerfed territory

[copper hazel]

[uncut echo]

I mean

Rather now than before tier gets here

[copper hazel]

perhaps, but at this point, it wont happen till raid week 1

[slim hamlet]

Rather never

[uncut echo]

Be realistic

[slim hamlet]

No

Don't like that

playing fantasy game

[next edge]

I think that ON PAPER it seems Sin has the strongest ST and execute phase is kinda bonkers

but, also, bare in mind that sims are not equal to reality

[uncut echo]

But our shit easy

[next edge]

Also, raid only has 1 boss pure ST

[slim hamlet]

As long as it's best or really close with best rogue spec I'm happy

[copper hazel]

yeh a lotttt of this 'nerf us' stuff ignores fight scenarios

[uncut echo]

99.98% of people who are in here don't raid at a level where it matters to play turbo meta. You should play what you want.

[slim hamlet]

Also what will you nerf without fucking aoe hard

[uncut echo]

Exsang

Literwlly exsang

[slim hamlet]

yes good

but how

just 1 min?

[uncut echo]

2 min

[slim hamlet]

5 min

[uncut echo]

50% bleed speed up

And it's still ahead of everything else in parity with it

[slim hamlet]

If it's 2 min and 50%

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[slim hamlet]

I doubt it's even close to capstone level

[copper hazel]

like i dont really get it, other pure dps specs get to have a spec be like, top 3-5 all the time

[next edge]

Thats the point

it shouldn't be capstone level

lol

[copper hazel]

we seem to want to stay mid pack, all the time

like nah dudes

[slim hamlet]

Yep let's be top 5 this time 😎

Warlock get's buffed if they're top 5, why should we get nerfed

easy

[copper hazel]

pretty much

like, i know we have been top 5 a number of times, but not as many times as other classes

(i have no numbers to back this)

[slim hamlet]

kek

[copper hazel]

top job on the FaQ Whispyr btw, looking sharp

[next edge]

I'm mostly joking honestly

[uncut echo]

It literally beats Kingsbane

[next edge]

but at same time, I would not negate that Sin, as it seems on paper, it looks really really strong on pure ST

[uncut echo]

And it's parity with sbs, ttb and others

Not capstone

Unnerfed it's beating Kingsbane or within margin

[slim hamlet]

So as a nerf we just remove exsang

easy

[uncut echo]

Yes.

Literally yes.

Make it a pvp talent for the andy's

[slim hamlet]

7% nerf is quite big tho

[copper hazel]

yeh thats uh, a chunk

[slim hamlet]

So put a bit more dmg in KB yep yep

Love KB

[uncut echo]

Rupture + garrote 5% delete exsang

Ggezpz

Realz hire me

[slim hamlet]

aoe buffedtoo then

[uncut echo]

As it should be

[slim hamlet]

soujnd fair to me

[uncut echo]

[next edge]

I mean

not talking about gameplay wise but

Exsang providing SO much DPS

and not being a capstone

is a design problem i guess?

But it doesn't feel right that a middle-talent is way more impactful than a capstone

[slim hamlet]

Yep

Put sepsis on exsang spot yep

Well maybe not, weird to get iron wire then

[uncut echo]

Don't let Oxi catch you talking Sepsis

Homie will garrote you irl

[static glacier]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets nerfed

Lunar inspiration for feral was a similar situation

[royal lantern]

just replace or rework it

not nerf

🙂

delete exsang

[royal lantern]

scath, you only deserve lego on the ground and hair in your food

i hope you know that

[copper hazel]

[royal lantern]

worth the ban

[subtle kiln]

hair in food. 3 dogs & 2 cats say hello

[royal lantern]

now you know the reason

universe is punishing you

[royal lantern]

wait 2 cats and 3 dogs?

crazy cat lady confirmed

[subtle kiln]

we’ll likely get farm property and eventually foster

with the training I do you’re basically competing with 1 who is close to retiring, competing with one that is green and then a puppy to start the foundations with.

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

youre a plant, not a cat

[subtle tundra]

awoo

[blazing totem]

stop the exsang hate!

[subtle tundra]

NO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[solid mica]

Srsly

[subtle tundra]

KILL IT

I WILL KILL EXSANGUINATE

[solid mica]

Did u kill dreadblades too?

[royal lantern]

no, that was seli

[subtle tundra]

you think i care about outlaw?

for all i care it could get deleted

[solid mica]

You love outlaw

[subtle tundra]

the world would be better without that spec

[solid mica]

Guy told me

[blazing totem]

you all want to love exsang

just scared to admit it

[subtle tundra]

i like exsang

[royal lantern]

and i like fluffy things, i dont force it onto every single rogue

thats the difference

exsang can die in a pit where it belongs

[solid mica]

If u wanna nerf exang u can make it 50% 2 min, but it has to be aoe

[royal lantern]

like

[solid mica]

[royal lantern]

the idiots here that act as if exsang is good

when it out performs all capstones

sure, tell yourself the ability is good

true bigbrains

[solid mica]

Who cares, just let it blast

[hushed aurora]

big dmg good

[solid mica]

If were fixing trees theres a lot more id do before that

[marsh grail]

May i ask a question regarding the assa sims if anyone knows

On any sim that runs zoldyc. Does the sim count for execute?

[balmy condor]

No you may not, this is a question free zone, anyone who asks a question is banned instantly

Oop

[thorn crater]

too late

[marsh grail]

[balmy condor]

You asked a question

Death

[thorn crater]

already asked

ban him

\

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Depends on the sim type, normal sims go down in health from 100-0 and as such include execute

[marsh grail]

I am more interested in the single target ones

[balmy condor]

Yep

That’s normal

[marsh grail]

oh damn alright, I really expected kingsbane build to be better than dtb but i guess not

[balmy condor]

There’s target dummy and execute patchwerk, which function differently

But everything else is expected

[balmy condor]

Yah same but what can you do :(

Kingsbane still +10% in execute though

So we’re happy

[marsh grail]

assa suddenly got way more buttons which i like and dislike at the same time xD

[thorn crater]

i mean

[sonic schooner]

[thorn crater]

cut back on buttons

dont play KB

ull be fine

just a bit weaker on execute phase

now if what you meant is i dont want to press exsanguinate 😛 we cant help you with taht

[marsh grail]

ive came to the realization that ill just have to play it even if i dont like it but it is what it is

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor shouldnt you be asleep so you can play release?

[balmy condor]

Release is after next sleep

[thorn crater]

release is in 10 hours

no?

[balmy condor]

No

[sonic schooner]

1 more sleep and then degen life

[marsh grail]

Something that I noticed on the rotation picture that you posted in the faq earlier and seemed weird to me is that you use Rupture > ER > Rupture

what kind of sorcery is that

[balmy condor]

Release is in….. 32 hours

[balmy condor]

Exsang

Just pandemic for exsang

[marsh grail]

and then insta kingsbane(if talented) correct?

[thorn crater]

thought it was midnight of 28th welp guess i was wrong lol

[balmy condor]

There’s an FAQ showing this

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s 3pm Monday for release for me

and rn it’s 5am Sunday

So I got all Sunday

And then sleep in Monday

Big chillin

[spare crow]

Since I have not played beta at all, what will u guys run to get good gear @ lv 70

Heroics or smth?

[junior rampart]

Exsang>deathmark, doesn't it affect the double bleed in this order or are we going to refresh bleeds before casting deathmark?

[dense hamlet]

24h sleep charge up for release day

[balmy condor]

Spam heroics, then do m0 world tour, then spam heroics, then professions/afk

Then wait for reset

And repeat

[spare crow]

This till raid release?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[spare crow]

Ookay

[balmy condor]

I’m sleeping in advance

That way I don’t need to sleep for the rest of the week

[dense hamlet]

very tactical move

[balmy condor]

Put me in a coma for a year

Never have to sleep again

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor going to be assa chad and level as assa?

[balmy condor]

Infinite hack

[balmy condor]

Yes

[subtle kiln]

all the things

[balmy condor]

Exsang during leveling kinda fine imo

[pliant roost]

Thanks. Would those be here or the ones that pop up on wowhead for consumables?

[balmy condor]

Wowhead/method/icyveins

[pliant roost]

Cheers

[balmy condor]

Method already has consumables up on the guide if you want to check that

[subtle kiln]

i haven’t looked at lvling builds yet but at 45 sec good for elites. easy enough to change talent setups.

[balmy condor]

Link in pins

[pliant roost]

Ty

[balmy condor]

Recommended talent build is just the entire poison bomb/sbs row

Straight across horizontal line get ‘em all

[copper hazel]

pokemonn

[subtle kiln]

I asked fuu for lvling sims. i think he was asleep.

[thorn crater]

leveling sims?

whats that?

[balmy condor]

No that’s just the new visual you get when you’re blocked

[subtle kiln]

nice

[copper hazel]

lvling sims

wut

[subtle kiln]

I saw shiro in another discord and it made me think of the 30 second sim meme

[slim hamlet]

Gotta minmax for leveling

[balmy condor]

Scath is triggering my ptsd

Don’t mind him

[slim hamlet]

Get BIS leveling gear

[balmy condor]

He’s got the old ravenholdt lore

[subtle kiln]

nothing but love

[copper hazel]

Heres how i got BIS leveling gear and how YOU can too!!1!!1

[slim hamlet]

Where can I buy the book?

[hollow river]

share the lore

[balmy condor]

7 second stat weights

[subtle kiln]

hah

[copper hazel]

7 sec stat weights is for sure just 100% crit

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor santa hat on exsang or on puppers for pfp?

[balmy condor]

Self declared leveling speed runner hits me up

Wants a pawn string to level

[slim hamlet]

Uuh a santa exsang would be nice

[thorn crater]

whispyr could u sim the scaling blue gear of all dungeons to figure out how to get bis leveling gear so i know which chromie time i should choose?

[copper hazel]

[balmy condor]

But demands I sim him 7 second sims

[slim hamlet]

emote

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

[thorn crater]

lul

[hollow river]

i think i remember hearing about this

[copper hazel]

thats cursed

[hollow river]

how long ago was it

[subtle kiln]

what about 7 second sims with lust?

[thorn crater]

i could have sworn expansion releases on teh 28th

fuckin lies

im sure some websites fucked up and swapped it

[balmy condor]

It does

[copper hazel]

literally on website, theres a map of the timezones

[thorn crater]

ye on the main one

[vernal adder]

[balmy condor]

28th release here

:)

[thorn crater]

we dont live on murica time

[subtle kiln]

[copper hazel]

28th in the UK too, just

[thorn crater]

i misspelled

lmao

frustration towards trump voters on teh rise

[balmy condor]

Can’t spell UK without yuk

[copper hazel]

TRUTH

[subtle tundra]

going to bed early tonightso i can wake up at 7 and play

like a good boy

tuesday cant play at all tho

[balmy condor]

Damn who asked?

[subtle tundra]

my fans

[balmy condor]

You don’t have those

[subtle tundra]

(noone)

[viscid spear]

[subtle tundra]

that was the joke

[balmy condor]

Nice

Hilarious

I did a kek irl

[subtle tundra]

youre lucky you have orange name.

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-ceiling-fan-gif-13048286

[copper hazel]

why these cats look so cursed

[nocturne current]

Can I still open with Quadra IG in 2 targets? (double pandemic)

[subtle tundra]

i'd be in your dms going hard

[viscid spear]

Don't lie, you love them

[copper hazel]

omg they get better

[balmy condor]

You can live your truth mr fox

[nocturne current]

yey

Heres a doggo

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

i cant believe i hit enter

[copper hazel]

[thorn crater]

why u always link dogs when you have a cat

[copper hazel]

is that a moving floof cloud

[balmy condor]

Buddy

[subtle tundra]

So what are your guys' strategies for tomorrow. Getting 70 asap is so important so i can not play until 13th

[balmy condor]

I plan to Level quickly

[subtle tundra]

who's that. are you cheating on me

[balmy condor]

That is my gf

Snoring at me

[copper hazel]

mine is to attempt to log into the server and discover I am ddosing it, along with the 50k other people trying to log in too

[balmy condor]

Very loudly

[hidden kernel]

I got over 100 cat emotes, i think i need help

[subtle tundra]

you know i did sleep next to a girl last night

[thorn crater]

did u level on the beta?

[balmy condor]

No I have no fucking clue what I’m doing

[hollow river]

[copper hazel]

your mum doesnt count Varas, come on

[thorn crater]

lmfao

[nocturne current]

Its my mother in law doggo tho. I am a cat man

[thorn crater]

anyone that does?

all i heard about is its better if u run around and collect all dragonriding glyphs

when you get the flying lizards

[balmy condor]

I think Azeroth auto pilot is getting updated

[subtle tundra]

it was the girl that i flexed my RIO and progressed rygelon in front of

[copper hazel]

OH SHIT

👑 king shit there

[subtle tundra]

who said wow cant get you bitches

[thorn crater]

something she would appreciate for sure as a comment

speedrun to turn yourself into Laras

[subtle tundra]

im Waras

[thorn crater]

u played assassination in m+ through SL. trust mate you're Laras

[subtle tundra]

false

[hollow river]

(L)aras

[copper hazel]

it got me my GF, took 3 years of talking first but got there in the end

[subtle tundra]

doin me dirty

[subtle tundra]

very encouraging. thanks king

[copper hazel]

she recognises the power of Varas quickly

[thorn crater]

took that long to get used to the aircraft carrier of a forehead huh

[copper hazel]

WOAH

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[thorn crater]

lmao

cmon admit it it was a good one

[subtle tundra]

just so you know, you look handsome

[copper hazel]

my pfp is very unflattering ngl

ty Varas

[thorn crater]

my bad you caught a stray

Laras got you in the crossfire

[copper hazel]

ey yo, i give so i take

[nocturne current]

@balmy condor I found this in tablet

[copper hazel]

that is a cutie chonker

[slim hamlet]

Big chonker

[subtle tundra]

is that whsiapr

[copper hazel]

and the cat is also very nice

[thorn crater]

the fuck

[balmy condor]

That’s a mountain lion right

[thorn crater]

it looks and doesnt look like you at the same time

[nocturne current]

It is a bit chonker indeed

[thorn crater]

im confused

[copper hazel]

its like whispyr, if he got into some gang shit

[thorn crater]

more like

emo shit

[copper hazel]

Greenday Whispyr

[thorn crater]

nah thats fall out boy

through and through

[viscid spear]

[thorn crater]

you guys think its smart to buy a token and put it on ah for release?

price should skyrocket tmrw

[subtle tundra]

you cant do that

its 20 euros to buy one and it gives you 13

[thorn crater]

?

[subtle tundra]

or you mean with real money

[thorn crater]

what?

yes

[subtle tundra]

oh

[thorn crater]

i mean with real money

[subtle tundra]

idk

i dont spend money on videogames

[copper hazel]

token price should defnitely go up on release

[thorn crater]

question is how much

the most its been is 350 in EU

[nocturne current]

What time does it go online in EU?

[copper hazel]

is there a chart showing previous releases

[thorn crater]

i mean its pretty standard

midnight CET

[copper hazel]

UK is 11pm 28th

[nocturne current]

Eish, so late?

[copper hazel]

ye

[thorn crater]

tailoring to rednecks

whats new

[nocturne current]

Why did I took the day off work.

[worldly sail]

token price going up on release? no, it will crash

like on every expansion launch

everyone returning "oh i need gold" -> buys a few tokens and sells them on AH

[viscid spear]

I get home just as it goes live tomorrow, then I have to be up at 4am for an 11 hour shift on Tuesday

[subtle tundra]

oh. i just checked and expansion launch isnt tonight

FUCK

[subtle kiln]

lol

[subtle tundra]

i blame exsang

for making my brain think quicker

but not gaining intelligence

[subtle kiln]

too much zooming for assa

[nocturne current]

I guess it’s going to be diharrea day for me in Tuesday then I guess.

[subtle tundra]

well, uh, i cant play at all on tuesday

wednesday angle

[hushed aurora]

nightmare fuel

[copper hazel]

im away till thursday evening

from Tuesday

[slim hamlet]

Probably better leveling experience

[subtle tundra]

i was so hurried to do uni stuff today now i know i have all day tomorrow. means i can slack off

nice

[uncut echo]

Based

[static glacier]

Wouldn’t the demand for tokens go up too since people buy services etc with them when they’re planning to play?

[thorn crater]

all im saying is that for second prpeatch release price spiked 40k

i assume new expansion will affect this even more

[copper hazel]

token is almost at its historical high atm

at least according to a website thats tracks the prices

[thorn crater]

you mean wowtoken ye

meh

[copper hazel]

yeh wowtokenprices

[worldly sail]

i'd think so too, but green arrow is BFA launch and orange is SL launch

[subtle tundra]

it was also pretty expensive at the end of legion then the prices dropped in bfa to below 200k iirc

AH

umm

statistics

[thorn crater]

i mean that undercity battle sold a lot of copies on its own

[worldly sail]

but i dont nkow what happened in legion launch

[subtle tundra]

probably has something to do with hype/excitement for the expansion

it was after wod, after all

[worldly sail]

not very #assassination but im interested in seeing how the market will react to the fact that not so much free gold is coming to the game in dragonflight

no more inflation

[static glacier]

Fair, guess as expacs go on and casuals quit the goblins keep buying for game time

[worldly sail]

but 🔮 predictions are never for sure of course

[woven bane]

still hopium that blizzard removes exsang last minute

[slim hamlet]

Hard huffing

[quaint sequoia]

that would be great

[copper hazel]

thats some huffing that even snoop dogg couldnt match

[subtle tundra]

make it a 5 min cd

🫡

[thorny pond]

They’ve been trying to make exsang a tool since legion

Not going away

[slim hamlet]

I mean the idea itself is cool

just doesn't work

[viscid marten]

didnt we play exsang in uldir?

[thorny pond]

We played sub

[subtle tundra]

you played sub for 1 boss!

[teal bloom]

Make exsang 5min cd + make it put combat potion on cd

[copper hazel]

if exsang goes 5min cd then it better be giving 400% bleeds

[uncut echo]

What

That's just piss

[slim hamlet]

I mean

probably omega super op in pvp

[uncut echo]

Why not make it just do bleeds as 1 big hit

Exactly

Delete exsang

[copper hazel]

it should be torghast power vein ripper

would be cool

also, they still havent mentioned anything about EoN going legacy 👀

kinda sus

[prisma cypress]

if it needs to go legacy, it will

don't worry

[copper hazel]

im just surprised it isnt already

seeing how strong itll be

[prisma cypress]

how strong will it be?

[copper hazel]

for lvling, more than anything after

[slim hamlet]

No shot it's even close to being used at lvl 70

[slim hamlet]

oh yeah

[copper hazel]

oh no doubt it wont be used for anything at endgame

[prisma cypress]

well yeah people will use old gear for leveling

lol

[slim hamlet]

but who cares about leveling

[copper hazel]

but blizz loves doing the whole legacy lvl 61 disabled thing

[uncut echo]

Literwlly beats 408 offhand rn

The effect is so busted

[slim hamlet]

Aint no way

It's like only 4-5% of dmg right now

how?

[uncut echo]

It's quite literally not 5%

[subtle tundra]

i've had fights where it was my top dmg

omegalul

in prepatch

[uncut echo]

In outlul is close to 16% damage

With only 1

[prisma cypress]

if thats true that it beats a 408 offhand then they'll legacy it right away

[uncut echo]

I love when people make numbers up

[slim hamlet]

If it's your top dmg

somehting wrong

[subtle tundra]

didnt say it always happens

[uncut echo]

Yeah, it's the only item propping rogues up rn

In prepatch

[slim hamlet]

This is basically all my fights

ST

[uncut echo]

1 or 2

[slim hamlet]

Do you just not use spells?

Melee is higher no matter what right?

[subtle tundra]

[slim hamlet]

What in the fuck

[dense hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

How and also why

Well I only have one dagger I just remembered

xd

[uncut echo]

Btw

Do you just not use spells?

[sinful flicker]

I went to bed early last night and I woke up to the assassination faq being there

Thanks whispyr ❤️

[copper hazel]

Early Xmas gift

[prisma cypress]

my car got towed last night

thanks whispyr

[subtle tundra]

i was still conscious last night

thanks whispar

[obtuse socket]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[uncut echo]

I'm still the hottest bitch on the planet
Thanks Whispyr

[subtle tundra]

[static glacier]

The shop had no watermelon red bull in stock

Thanks Whispyr

[slim hamlet]

Exsang is still in the game

Thanks Whispyr

[teal bloom]

This is a emote

Thanks whispyr

[regal dune]

Does Master Poisoner have much value?

[strange python]

Not rly

[slim hamlet]

.6% raid wide DR and 2% leech

Nothing else to take in a raid scenario

[royal lantern]

^ its more of an "eh, what else can we pick?" thing, ig there is something better, we will drop master poisoner

[neat plank]

oh damn it affects leeching poison? thats really good then ;O

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

Kinda weird that it does, but it does

[carmine orbit]

is there any assas weak auras you can recommend ?

[copper hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[carmine orbit]

thanks

[marble cedar]

Very sorry for asking a basic question but I felt it wasn't clear in the guides. In a Mythic+ setting outside of Carnage, should you manually be applying rupture on every mob?

[spice spire]

When you can, yeah. You’ll want to maintain ct as a dot as well.
So yeah, you’ll be spreading bleeds manually

[viscid spear]

More bleeds = more energy procs

[marble cedar]

Which talent actually returns energy in that fashion?

[gusty mirage]

venomous wounds

[viscid spear]

So bleed those mfers up

[marble cedar]

Is there any way to ensure your poison is applied to a target?

Outside of...the little knife you throw or shiv?

[limber lion]

Melee applies poison as well as most abilities, including Mutilate and Fan of Knives which you use as your generators.

You'll have poisons up on every mob without having to do anything extra pretty much

[marble cedar]

Sorry for the silly questions, I've mained Feral for years and while this is familiar it feels different at the same time 🥲

[spice spire]

Understandable

[marble cedar]

If I can ask one last question, I do a lot of high keys (around 25's this season) but I didn't encounter any Assassination rogues. How do they feel now?

[subtle tundra]

you didnt encounter any assassination rogues cause players are little babies and they only play the absolute best

[marble cedar]

I only ask because I don't care if a class isn't popular in keys, I was just curious

[subtle tundra]

its pretty good.

[teal iris]

I think zerocool put it well when he was talking about it on stream, even if assa does the same dmg as outlaw you need to spend a lot more of your attention to doing dmg rather than actual dungeon mechs etc, so most people just play outlaw

i think its a lot better in df tho

[subtle tundra]

or just get better

but people dont like that

[marble cedar]

That's ok by me, Feral felt like that and it's partly why it kept me engaged. I'm not a huge fan of something that takes little thought.

[subtle tundra]

well

ic makes it so it takes less thought

in aoe

[marble cedar]

That reminds me of Shadow Crash on SP

Helpful but can't be solely relied on pull to pull

Not with a 45 second cd

[teal iris]

IC was just a necessary skill to make us solid on aoe without having to buff our ST tbh

[teal iris]

keep in mind that's only really for m+, assa on ST is really slow and straight forward

[subtle tundra]

scent of blood exists

[viscid spear]

@spice spire is an expert on dealing with Ferals.

[teal iris]

sure but then you're still relying on pulls lasting for a long time to do damage

[viscid spear]

[subtle tundra]

if pulls dont last long enough go do a key high enough where your dmg matters

[teal iris]

maybe, but people still want to have fun in mid tier keys and not do 0 dps on trash

[subtle tundra]

then dont play a dot class

like

what

[teal iris]

?

I like dot classes and I'm happy with the current assa iteration

[subtle tundra]

dot classes will always have this problem

that they dont do dmg on short lived pulls

so yes

if you want to have fun in mid tier keys

[teal iris]

current assa does though

?

[marble cedar]

I'm fine with that

[subtle tundra]

yea cause of ic

but if pull lasts 20 seconds you dont have ic all the time

every pack

[teal iris]

maybe not every pack but better than having to single apply unbuffed garrotte+rupture for energy and having most of your aoe being from fok like in bfa

[eager solstice]

!professions

any suggestions on professions?

or doesnt matter?

[nocturne current]

This. I never encountered any issues. And Assa isn't hard when you get used to it, there's a lot of "free" time once bleeds and up and ticking without much micromanaging, and once you get used to what finisher to do in what situation it just becomes auto-pilot mode.

@marble cedar It's fun to join +25's and out DPS warlocks and mages as Assa and having them not knowing what's happening.

[subtle tundra]

the meta players in mid to high keys arent very good

[marble cedar]

Part of the reason why I want to move to Assa is because Feral while stronger, is so painfully simple now in Mythics it's not for me

[nocturne current]

Give it a try, I have fun with it, at least more than Outlaw for sure.

[gusty mirage]

doesn't matter, all the cool shit can be bought through work orders

[teal iris]

engineering+alchemy still seems like the go-to for quality of life on your main

[rain oyster]

yall leveling assass or outlaw?

Thinking outlaw till DTB and SBS are available together so like 63? then go mut

[verbal knot]

if youre asking if its better to level as assa or outlaw then i think its neither

sub is propably the best for leveling cause of the burst and what not

killing mobs in 1 second aint bad

[runic hinge]

Shadowstrike teleporting you and also bring your nuke is too good for leveling

[verbal knot]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

Sub

Oh everyone else already said it

well

[verbal knot]

[rain oyster]

hmmm 🤔

[verbal knot]

play w/e you enjoy tho

its just that sub is better for leveling but if you dont wanna speedrun it i dont think it matters too much

[rain oyster]

I think sin pulling everything with SBS and cleaving it down with poison bombs and CT would be fun to lvl

but need DTB talent point 1st

[verbal knot]

you can delete everything with sectech as sub

burst is always better than dots for leveling

[oak sky]

Tbh nothing should be a big issue for leveling

[willow rapids]

especially since atm at least you can guarantee sectec shadows crit and keep CB for a SS, but lvling will be fast regardless

[thorn crater]

still need a suggestion?

[grand trail]

hello, i wonder about serrated bone spike, why i need to use charges to not overcap? I though its pernament dot (raid boss )

[thorn crater]

15 energy for free dmg plus combo points

why wouldnt u use i t

[eager sorrel]

Most efficient DPET and DPR on any builder

[thorn crater]

fancy acronyms 😛

[grand trail]

so basicaly we use it as cheap combo point builder

[thorn crater]

we use it becaues it deals dmg

and its flexible

there is an instant portion of dmg too

if u would just use it once and forget about it might as well not talent into it

[grand trail]

but that dot dmg dosnt not stack up, i was just making sure

[honest vessel]

correct

[royal lantern]

check profs and tell me if there is any gain

doesnt matter, pick what you want

[eager sorrel]

Is that not the simcraft acronyms?

[royal lantern]

if you dont care about them, take alchemy for the higher flask timer and thats it

[thorn crater]

still fancy though for someone asking whether they should use SBS 😛

[royal lantern]

just say "sbs does good dmg"

[oak sky]

Sbs is efficient

[grand trail]

its not doing crazy insta dmg so i was just wondering 🙂

[royal lantern]

well, it kinda does

[eager sorrel]

Sbs good builder, use button, unga bunga

[royal lantern]

for the amount of energy its using

[grand trail]

did not play during SL and come back from pirate now

[thorn crater]

for 15 energy?

ofc i tdoes

[royal lantern]

like, sbs is "use ~0energy, do good dmg, get cp, endless dot"

[thorn crater]

its not as good as our beloved exsanguinate but still

wow noone took the bait

bunch of grown ups in here

[spice spire]

[eager sorrel]

The DPE is what you want to look at mostly there

[thorn crater]

what does DPE stand for sir?

[eager sorrel]

Damage per execution

DPET is damage per execution time

[thorn crater]

is execution another word for action?

[eager sorrel]

Yes

[thorn crater]

ah i see thank you for clarifying

[gusty mirage]

no shot

tryan's sneaking around

[thorn crater]

ye but he said nothing

[gusty mirage]

yet

[thorn crater]

i mean exsang is fine

it just needs to become a capstone

[subtle tundra]

LOL

ya cooked

[gusty mirage]

why is that funny

it does capstone damage

[grand trail]

thank you, had to buy mouse with more buttons lol... razer basilisk for this assa build.. but still not play KB 😄

[thorn crater]

i knew one of them would take the bait

Laras took it first

[subtle tundra]

sure buddy

considering what youre typing here ofc i believe you

[thorn crater]

its both bait and truth considering how much it contributes to dmg

but hey i guess there arent any new people to bully right now as you usually do during EU morning hours

shame

[subtle tundra]

i think a capstone shouldn't be as convoluted as exsang

i didnt laugh cause it doesnt do dmg

[kindred rapids]

It's not really that convoluted

[subtle tundra]

its literally a dps LOSS to press it in your main CD

how is that not convoluted

a big one as well

[kindred rapids]

It's a strange interaction but I don't know if I'd call it convoluted

The ability itself is rather straightforward to understand

[subtle tundra]

is it tho

[oak sky]

Can we bully people please i dont want to talk about exsang

[subtle tundra]

have you read whispyr's explanation?

[thorny pond]

Tfw your spec has nuance

[subtle tundra]

exsang pog

nuance

[oak sky]

What nuance

[little ivy]

who else is levelling assassination without exsang

[oak sky]

Nuance is fake everyone saying their spec is difficult is coping

[little ivy]

in df

😈

[subtle tundra]

basically everyone cause its not very good for leveling

[thorn crater]

that is literally the best comment i have read in days lmfao you sir have won discord today

[subtle tundra]

its more annoying

[kindred rapids]

It compresses your bleeds, I think it's relatively easy to grasp how that works. The rules around using it optimally might be complicated but that's a little different I think.

I don't think it's more convoluted than DM as a capstone for example.

[subtle tundra]

deathmark is a capstone?

dang!

[kindred rapids]

The other DM

The one that's a capstone...

[subtle tundra]

what dm

[thorny pond]

If the spec is too easy, people complain
If they make you think, it’s too convoluted. Nothing new

[oak sky]

The sub dm varas

[subtle tundra]

i have not checked sub and outlaw trees

[oak sky]

What about exsang requires thinking

[subtle tundra]

i had 0 reason to

[oak sky]

Like

[kindred rapids]

For real?

[oak sky]

Every spec has a set of rules

This isnt new

[thorny pond]

That half the community can’t read and will cast it inside DM

Then complain they suck

[oak sky]

Again, new set of rules

[subtle tundra]

yea? it was beta until now, i'll check out what i enjoy

[grand trail]

btw i checked Fuu sims, and for m+ (dungeon slice) DTB build is only 1% or less dps loss vs KB+IC. does it mean that DTB is even m+ viable?

[kindred rapids]

That's dedication

[oak sky]

People have done dumb fuckups since the beginning of time

[subtle tundra]

and no, prepatch doesnt count cause i dont play prepatch

[oak sky]

People ask about snapshotting ep in 2022

[subtle tundra]

i only care about assa and m+ in this game

everything else is whatever

[kindred rapids]

Interesting choice

[thorny pond]

Nihilism asf

Valid

[nimble tartan]

hello pls welcome me to the sin club with open arms

[subtle tundra]

Hi

[oak sky]

Lets go

We midmax this shit

[subtle tundra]

Please state your opinion on exsang

[oak sky]

Omar is an og bro he can have any opinion

[subtle tundra]

I wanna know it

It's important

[kindred rapids]

I don't think exsang rules are even complicated, just refresh bleeds and slam it outside of deathmark

[subtle tundra]

They aren't

[kindred rapids]

DM interaction is just counterintuitive

[gentle apex]

Exsang forces the class into a state where you can give a shit about the state of your abilities instead of pushing buttons every time a weakaura glows

[limber lion]

If it didn't work on DM it would probably feel a bit better to play

[dawn merlin]

^

[limber lion]

Less chance of fucking up, allows you to slam Exsang during your 2min window as soon as it comes up and so on

Now you have to hold Exsang during the 2min window so you don't destroy your DM

[gentle apex]

Frankly I'm going to play dtb and take exsang and the cp er talent and try to not fuck that up

[oak sky]

Doesnt it only line up at ~6 mins

[subtle tundra]

Kb and ic goated

[oak sky]

Maybe at like 2:15?

[thorn crater]

at 2:15 deathmark will expire in 3 seconds

so it doesnt matter

[gentle apex]

15s is the narrowest hold window if a bot plays it

[nimble tartan]

i for one enjoy exsang

[kindred rapids]

I'm not a fan of the DM interaction, I don't think it adds anything. But I think the exsang hate is totally disproportionate.

[oak sky]

Thats exactly what i was talking about

[thorn crater]

no i konw u were

just saying that there is no real issue with taht

[oak sky]

I think with some adjustments or a full rework exsang could be fun

[kindred rapids]

I think remove the DM interaction and give it a 1 min cd.

Cd nerf makes it more in line power wise and allows you to sync it easily

[grim tangle]

are we trying to buff exsang?

[oak sky]

No

[thorn crater]

if it were 1 min id be down to vanish pre DM too lol

right now i wont

[grim tangle]

making it work during DM seems like a crazy suggestion