assassination

[strange python]

you would want to use ER and the wounds and pick a talent that gives 24% healing reduction and you can have 2 stacks of them which would mean 48% healing reduction

etc...

fully energy replenished

etc

just gotta be better at it and in each content

[spice spire]

It’s said well enough above

[strange python]

same goes for every classes

[neat plank]

well thats just a matter of tuning if you're worried about being overpowred

[spice spire]

But

[strange python]

||how do you say fart in british language?||

[spice spire]

It’s also a sure fire way to make the game bland - a good set up is done every time etc etc

[uncut echo]

Correct Putka, but the game doesnt work like that, it'd get boring

[neat plank]

i guess it would be bland yeah, maybe thats the reason

[royal lantern]

you dont, its against the ToS

[uncut echo]

And with various tuning different builds crop up

[strange python]

😭

[balmy condor]

this conversation has taught me why cyberbullying is a problem

[royal lantern]

we dont bully enough

[strange python]

being brit is against ToS?

[copper hazel]

one blew out a tuft of air from the rear

[strange python]

wrong bro

[spice spire]

Okay, I’m gonna go eat turkey and stuff.
You all behave.

[uncut echo]

I mean calling someone an idiot is literally never productive, unless you're my father

[minor aurora]

im new here but its much better than DH discord lol

[uncut echo]

Happy thanksgiving!!! 🥰

[strange python]

XD

[marble hemlock]

nah. im a rascal. i do whatever i want.

[uncut echo]

Seli only knows how to behave

And out maneuver a person who does stat analysis for a living

[balmy condor]

its just really easy to bully a dogshit opinion

[uncut echo]

[uncut echo]

Well be a better person and don't

[dire lake]

Dh discord is cringe

[uncut echo]

Because bullying them will never help your case

[little forge]

Hmm. Are there any times I would want to use bone spike and crimson tempest in the same build. I guess there are...

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, teach that to rest of the internet

[uncut echo]

I promise you compassion and understand far outweigh venom

[little forge]

Those 2 are currently the last 2 spells I want to keybind and I have 1 keybind left 😛

[marble hemlock]

thats true. calling people idiots isnt constructive. calling what they say or their opinions idiotic, thats how to move a conversation along.

[uncut echo]

I try! 1 person at a time

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

Compassion isn’t always possible. Spoons not available, etc. last bit before I leave. So all you can do is try your best

[blazing totem]

I feel like Whispyr wasn't asked enough questions answered in pins today

it made him soft and feeling for other people

[uncut echo]

Sin good?

Duskwalker working?????

[balmy condor]

I'm a broken man

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHAHA

[royal lantern]

does duskwalker work with deathmark?

[strange python]

why not calling them dogshitting

xd

[dire lake]

Kingsbane or dtb?

[uncut echo]

No I really do get it and I literally cannot comprehend how many questions you field on a daily basis. I just know that 99% of the time you always get it right and I admire you for it.

[spice spire]

If not troll, this info is in the pins

[balmy condor]

I sit here and write my guide, knowing damn well I will have to answer some fucking clown on tuesday going "hey what stats?"

[uncut echo]

You could do yourself a favor and be like

[dire lake]

Naaa dw. I will only ask questions if it’s not in the pins 😂

[uncut echo]

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

check the pins is actually more effort than just going crit>mast

that's the problem

they get away with it

[subtle kiln]

!bis

[balmy condor]

because the easiest thing for me to do is just answer

[strange python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Mastery > Vers
Note: Mastery is better in AoE situations, but generally all stats are very close.

[dire lake]

[oak sky]

I love bullying

[uncut echo]

Rebind f12 to a bis macro

[strange python]

good night bros

[uncut echo]

Gn gamer

[balmy condor]

I'll bind f12 to just say "read a damn guide ya ape"

[strange python]

xd

[balmy condor]

and then use it every 3 minutes

[oak sky]

Thankful for bullying people with bad opinions

[uncut echo]

Rebind ape to dingbat

[oak sky]

Thankful for the horny ass assassination channel cf team

[balmy condor]

rebind ape to "dugtrio looking headass"

[uncut echo]

LMAO

We got thete

There, full send

[marble hemlock]

we can just have moroes post it automatically in certain intervals

or after x messages

[balmy condor]

is that a feature

I don't think that's actually something moroes can do

[blazing totem]

I bet people would still ask

[copper hazel]

can it be triggered by anyone typing in the channel with an "im new here" green leaf

[uncut echo]

If u/dracthyr_bot uwus at us on r/wow, moroes can too

[marble hemlock]

it can be triggered on certain phrases

[uncut echo]

Yeah, like stat weights

[copper hazel]

scaling

[uncut echo]

Pawn string

Scaling

Bis

[marble hemlock]

i.e. in my lost ark guild we have a bot that just responds to any mention of the phrase "lai" with LAI LAI, cause thats a common phrase in one of the areas. so if oyu type something like "Glaivier" the bot would hit you wiht a LAILAI

[balmy condor]

I can be triggered on certain phrases too

moroes just like me fr

[uncut echo]

Ur a bot remember

[marble hemlock]

what if we replaced exsang with LBE?

[balmy condor]

then we wouldn't use it

[marble hemlock]

how do you know?

[uncut echo]

What if we replaced exsang with creeping death

[balmy condor]

because I know the relative value of sbs is lower than other passives that could be taken in its place

[spice spire]

Keep yourself safe

Mfs cutting apples

[marble hemlock]

you wanted to leave brotherman

[spice spire]

.

[balmy condor]

Mfs cutting cheese too

[uncut echo]

Zamn

[marble hemlock]

dont cut yourself

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[balmy condor]

windy thanksgiving evening ya know what I mean

[uncut echo]

Stinky too

[balmy condor]

feels like there's a draft in the house

[uncut echo]

A... daught?

[balmy condor]

idk

[uncut echo]

I had too much turkey. :<

[marble hemlock]

feels like someone daft is in the house

[neat plank]

I think I realized why not having all talents is a good thing. By having this added complexity you get an opportunity to rise above players who are worse at the game than you by having a spec more suited for the type of content you're playing which means you'll be more successful at it and that will give you a sense of fulfillment. Is that about right?

[balmy condor]

sure man

[marble hemlock]

it would be right if people couldnt jhust copypaste builds super quickly 😄

[neat plank]

but bad players wont do that

[uncut echo]

You kind of got there

[neat plank]

bad/don't care

[uncut echo]

Ill give you a C

C+

[balmy condor]

my self restraint is so high right now

[marble hemlock]

no its not

[uncut echo]

If it was so high you wouldnt need to brag about how high it is

[marble hemlock]

exactly

[balmy condor]

so then it's not high

[uncut echo]

Fucking MID RESTRAINT

[balmy condor]

same to you brother

0 restraint

I turned ping off though

so it's about neutral

[uncut echo]

I'm lost

[balmy condor]

help a grandma across the street, drop kick a 4 year old

good action balances out bad action

[uncut echo]

Your cosmic karma and microwave background radiation are radiating rn

Omg you're glowing 🥰

[balmy condor]

I'm definitely feeling Sagittarius right now

Saturns in prograde

I just know

[uncut echo]

Saturns in prolapse for sure

[balmy condor]

in what

[uncut echo]

Aquamaroon rising

[oak sky]

!vibecheck

[balmy condor]

off topic only bud

[oak sky]

Fuu removed it

[uncut echo]

Fucking REKT

Holy shit

[balmy condor]

wait really?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

We were complaining that pf was broken then he killed vibecheck

[uncut echo]

Pf?

[balmy condor]

pokefusion

[oak sky]

Pokefusion

[uncut echo]

Good

[little forge]

Is there an example of a weakaura that shows when a dot is buffed by exsang?

I can't find any. Maybe im blind

[uncut echo]

Fucking ramlu fusing me with everyone nonconsentually

I mean, you could follow a basic rule

Of after exsang don't refresh dots

[little forge]

Thats what I have been doing

[uncut echo]

But I genuinely don't think there is one that would fit your criteria

[little forge]

I'm just trying to make fancy weakauras atm 😛

[uncut echo]

You need custom lua to track emp garrote

[oak sky]

Uh cev might know

[little forge]

Maybe I can use the empowered garrote one as a base

Will start with that

[uncut echo]

Perhaps

Logic would probably be similar

See how it's choosing to identify an emp garrote

[little forge]

Hmm, the empowered garrote one dosn't seem to be working for me...

Can only find one from shadowlands

maybe the spell id's and broken

[uncut echo]

They are same spell id

[copper hazel]

luxthos has one that works

i tried to take it out of the pack earlier but it kept bricking the empowered bit

theres something somewhere in his custom code in the entire pack that makes it work but i aint got no clue what it is

[little forge]

Whats the indicator on luxthos's one that it's empowered

[copper hazel]

lil green dot in the corner

[little forge]

Thanks

[turbid quail]

does deathmark affect bleeds/poisons that are already applied or do you have to reapply after using?

[balmy condor]

already applied

[turbid quail]

thank you

[little forge]

I have found a working weakaura from bfa that tracks exsanguinate buffed bleeds

Now to convert it

[molten timber]

Guh, I've accepted that we are using Exsang as much as I hate it... Should we be using it before we deathmark and then continue as normal or hold it until DM runs out for the first Exsang?

[torpid hinge]

Use before dm

Never inside dm

And use on CD after opener

[molten timber]

Its interaction with DM has to be a bug right? Seems like such a silly interaction and I hope they fix it to just not work on the DM bleed.
But thank you, that's what I thought, but for some reason ignoring it was bursting higher quicker in my quick tests.

[torpid hinge]

Don’t think it’s a bug, but probably not what they intended. Deathmark is a bleed and exsang cuts bleed uptime in half, so seems to be working as written

[balmy condor]

it's confirmed intended

[molten timber]

Even more gross

[uncut echo]

That's trash

[grim pawn]

I'm sure this question has been answered before, but do we mutilate at 5 cmbp with deeper stratagem and munch the 1 cmbp for max point envenoms?

[balmy condor]

no

always max-1

is the finish condition

[grim pawn]

gotcha, ty

[zealous ridge]

Is it better to spam CT in AoE at max combo points or to envenom if CT is already applied

[celest helm]

curious here too. when i have lets say a pack of 8, garrote rupture and CT are on all 8. whats the next finisher prio?

[zealous ridge]

and should I start CT asm y first aoe finisher?

or get 4 rupts rolling first

[celest helm]

Whispyr told me that with IC your prio is to gett garrotes out, then CT and THEN get rupture

[zealous ridge]

heard

[celest helm]

so aoe prio i believe (anyone step in if im wrong) was garrote>CT>Rupture for AOE

so iv been opening on packs with garrote-IC-garrote-CT-FoK-Rupture. that gets all bleeds out as fast as i believe is possible but would love feedback from others

[balmy condor]

yeh so jury still out a little

the prio is stealth garrote > ct > rupture > garrote

[zealous ridge]

oh i just IC in stealth garrote

[balmy condor]

but if you're using IC

then you def want to get that on cd

so you would IC gar from stealth, then the ruptures, then the CT

but normal rotation yes

100% CT first

[celest helm]

so from stealth you would get rupture first?

[balmy condor]

well you would still triple garrote obv

[zealous ridge]

Got it. But not with IC up

[balmy condor]

but you would rupture after that

IC makes the rupture giga important

[zealous ridge]

Triple garrote? IC instantly puts out 8 tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

pandemic

[celest helm]

IC-Garrote-Rupture-FoK-CT?

[balmy condor]

IC gar gar gar rupture er ct

exsang deathmark kingsbane shiv

[celest helm]

okay okay im getting it, so i was applying CT before rup

[balmy condor]

and then typical rotation

[celest helm]

So rupture before CT i had it backwards. would you ever CT before Rup

[zealous ridge]

ah i dont have exsang deathmark or kingsbane in myubi

my build***

[celest helm]

then what are you playing lmfaooo

[zealous ridge]

using teh wowhead one i think

[balmy condor]

yeh that's cause you're on prepatch and I don't care what you do

I'm speaking from a 70 angle

cause 60 is dogshit

and prepatch is irrelevant

[celest helm]

yeah prepatch feels turbo bad

[zealous ridge]

yeah its odd

with ic i feel really good in aoe packs

but i'm feeling dog in ST

[balmy condor]

that's why we take kingsbane

but you don't have the points for both on prepatch

[celest helm]

yeah that is the issue with Assas vs Outlaw. Assa talents into ST vs AOE but at 70 you get Zol/KB as well as IC

[balmy condor]

cause yah know

[zealous ridge]

ill have to practice that a lot when i get 70

[balmy condor]

shit patch

[zealous ridge]

idk how kingsbane works

[celest helm]

its a dot you press off CD

[balmy condor]

you push the button and it does damage

in single target you maintain envenom

[celest helm]

use your shivs for KB duration

[balmy condor]

in aoe you drop it onto the biggest buffest dude and then can choose to either envenom that dude

or if you're wanting aoe

you can just drop it and ignore

[zealous ridge]

I SEE

and exsang also doesn't require too MUCH thought, right?

[balmy condor]

[zealous ridge]

i just picked up assass in prepatch

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

[zealous ridge]

LMAO

[celest helm]

uh oh

[zealous ridge]

i've read people hating it and read the faq a little

[celest helm]

the exang talk

[balmy condor]

you let go of all your earthly desires and just full overwrite your bleed whatever it may be

[zealous ridge]

but was also thinking eh too complicated maybe I can not think too hard about it and just press

[balmy condor]

to extend into an exsang

and you do that every 45 seconds with ER

cause ya know

7cp rup is long

so you ER, 7cp rup no matter your current rup

then exsang

and you do that on cooldown

AS LONG AS you aren't in deathmark

if you're in deathmark and you exsang you get shot and die instantly

because you actually just trolled the fuck out of your rotation

and you deserve to lose

[zealous ridge]

Sorry whats ER? trying to look around our spell abilities lmfao

[balmy condor]

echoing reprimand

[zealous ridge]

ah we end up running that?

I hate that ability

[balmy condor]

it's mandatory yes

[tropic rover]

Do you also refresh garrote first?

I assume so since it's a bleed

[balmy condor]

our class tree is basically locked to this forever, or in m+ you can drop tea for another lethality

anything else is dogshit

[balmy condor]

yeah sure but don't overwrite stealth garrotes

that would be int

[tropic rover]

Right

[zealous ridge]

okay well seems somewhat simple

[balmy condor]

otherwise yes

[zealous ridge]

other tahn if i were to refresh a rupture like

10s before exsang comes off cd

then have to refresh again right before pressing exsang

LOL

that would feel trash

[balmy condor]

welcome to exsang

[tropic rover]

Is it illegal to like exsang?

[uncut echo]

Yes

[balmy condor]

I saw a sim garrote on cooldown 3 times in a row

and I puked

[uncut echo]

I really wish we could take the second lethality point

[zealous ridge]

so if exsang and deathmark are up at same time, just sit on exsang until deathmark is over?

[balmy condor]

just become the scum of the earth

and you can

[uncut echo]

Drop tea?

[balmy condor]

you exsang then deathmark

[tropic rover]

How big a diff is it from taking tea?

[zealous ridge]

Ohhh

[uncut echo]

It's about 3%

Iirc

Tea up

[tropic rover]

Oh yuck

[zealous ridge]

Just to reapply after the dots fall off, duplicating tehm after? Got it

[balmy condor]

yeah, for the low low price of becoming an M+er and losing your dignity, you can drop tea

[uncut echo]

I exist in m+

And with outlul nerfs

[green harbor]

@zealous ridge if you haven't tried ER on assa before, it's probably the least frustrating of the 3 specs for it

[uncut echo]

It's probably goated

[zealous ridge]

I've only ever played Outlaw

And I fucking hated it

[uncut echo]

It's not bad

You don't play around it

[zealous ridge]

ER on outlaw that is. I do like outlaw as a spec.

[uncut echo]

You just hit a finisher if you land on it

[balmy condor]

another bad opinion to have

[zealous ridge]

Something about assa though makes me feel so cool

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[zealous ridge]

The class fantasy is there for me with this spec specifically

[uncut echo]

Because sin is the best spec

[dense herald]

So whisp, I assume there will be fights in next raid where CT is a must. This just adds another button to include into the 14s single target opener ye?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah sure

you would CT after

[dense herald]

Oh that’s alright then

[balmy condor]

in regular rotation

[eager sorrel]

Brood maybe, council definitely?

[dense herald]

If there was some sbs into CT shit I’d probably call it a day

[zealous ridge]

14s opener makes us sound super complicated

LMAO

[balmy condor]

well on council you're playing m+ build

so you already got CT in that

[dense herald]

Yeah it’s more the single target fights with adds every now and then

Which there’s a lot of

[balmy condor]

okay well then you don't care for the CT anyway

what fight are you opening on adds

[dense herald]

Maybe mythic spider

[balmy condor]

you telling me 5 seconds into the fight, spiders spawn?

I don't believe you

[dense herald]

They there at the start

[balmy condor]

oh those

yeah don't worry those will be dead by the time you get the chance to CT

[dense herald]

Yeah rip

[tropic rover]

Those are reserved for ranged to pad on

Melee isn't allowed back there

[dense herald]

Fuck that I’ll be running out for a cheeky ct

[balmy condor]

probably won't be worth doing that

[tropic rover]

I'm just playing rogue to relive the shrouded suff glory days in keys as my alt

[obtuse valley]

I remember WWs and evokers vaporizing those adds in testing

[tropic rover]

But in raid I'm just going to 360 no scope my eye beam around the room and tag the spiders

[tropic rover]

Most testing I saw was like demo/fire mage/bm

[uncut echo]

Havoc goes brr

[celest helm]

Havoc go Nerrrrf

[tropic rover]

Yeah we're dead now

[celest helm]

Im curious to see how much that nerf actually effects

[tropic rover]

Listen man I had to suffer through brand for half of SL

[fathom flax]

I find it quite interesting that for all 3 specs haste is the worst stat

when historically haste was amazing

[uncut echo]

Wym dead

[tropic rover]

Sub 3% in ST, around 6-7% on average in m+

[celest helm]

im talking about havoc dh

OH IM FRIED

[tropic rover]

LMAOOO

[celest helm]

sorry been a long day i read sub and brain went to rogue

[tropic rover]

I was so confused

Ya it's all good, don't let me infect rogue chat

[uncut echo]

Man y'all are babies over in felhammer

LOL

[tropic rover]

Lmfao

Not all of us

It's the same anywhere, people see a nerf and assume the sky has fallen

[uncut echo]

S tier spec still turbo busted

Hmmmmmmm

[tropic rover]

Nooooooo

We're fiiiiiiiine

It's fiiiiiiiiine

[uncut echo]

Hmm

[tropic rover]

I think we're still top dam in keys

[uncut echo]

You're up there

Unh still keeping up

[tropic rover]

You know I keep hearing that from people anecdotally

[celest helm]

I hope havoc is still good i really enjoy it as an alt to rogue. its the other super fast paced melee that is a blast

[tropic rover]

But I haven't seen it actually happen anywhere

[uncut echo]

Watch biceppump

[tropic rover]

Yeah that's a good idea

[uncut echo]

Unh is way fucking harder to do

[tropic rover]

Truth is there's like 6 unholy mains lol

[uncut echo]

And he's close to the best there is

[tropic rover]

Havoc is awesome right now. Rotation actually has depth for the first time ever, playstyle is super fun assuming you like playing momentum. Class has scaling potential, mastery isn't a dead stat.

[tropic rover]

Yeah I'll check out some vods, I forgot about him honestly

[celest helm]

hopefully it remains good in pvp i was gonna play havoc for glad push with a homie lol i dont like warrior as much after the reworks

[tropic rover]

Uhh yeah

Havoc is problematic in pvp from what I hear lol

[celest helm]

yeah its pretty gross rn, the incoming nerfs are supposedly big but it seems more of a pve nerf than a pvp nerf

[tropic rover]

In beta, not just prepatch where we cheese stuff with a legendary

[celest helm]

know your enemy nerfs your crit but havoc hasnt stacked crit for pvp anyways so it isnt a huge loss i dont feel

[uncut echo]

Bruh

[tropic rover]

Lmao what the fuck

[ember mural]

[uncut echo]

Let's be adults please

[ember mural]

delete that before you get muted bro

[uncut echo]

^^^

[ember mural]

bro

[uncut echo]

<@&224906552333697025>

Lmao

[celest helm]

why are we tagging people

[uncut echo]

To get this guy muted

[balmy condor]

!ban @fierce oak

[celest helm]

oof

[uncut echo]

Thanks man.

[teal bloom]

[uncut echo]

Exsanged him hard

[celest helm]

you guys were the people that told the teacher about the homework i feel like

[oak sky]

HUH

[tropic rover]

Crit is Havoc's best secondary in DF for sure, we'll be stacking it. KYE nerf is a nerf, but it's actually not a huge deal atm. Will actually be felt more as we scale

[tropic rover]

I mean you can't just spam shit like that anywhere lol

[celest helm]

man just wanted extra meat for thanksgiving lol

[balmy condor]

we're a partnered server

[celest helm]

i think the freak out on the first pic was funny, but then him spamming was a ban inc. he def knew it too

[balmy condor]

NSFW is an instant ban

thems the rules

[ember mural]

turkey is cool, penis shaped turkey not cool

[celest helm]

penis shaped turkey lowkey kinda funny tho

[oak sky]

Was your turkey cool doz?

[celest helm]

but idk what made him come to a rogue disc to post it lol thats a good shitpost for the homies

[balmy condor]

I hope he's laughing

or else the ban wasn't worth it

[celest helm]

he has quite a bit of time to laugh at it now

his dps will pay the ultimate price now

[uncut echo]

Bruh just be a fucking adult it's not hard. Haha dick funny isn't good humor

[celest helm]

opinion

[uncut echo]

That is correct

[celest helm]

i laugh at everything im easily amused

[uncut echo]

Based

Not everyone is

[celest helm]

but there is time and place, a WoW discord for class doesnt seem like the place for rando shit posting

[uncut echo]

There we go

[tropic rover]

Yeah that was something lol

[balmy condor]

having to hand out bans on thanksgiving man

[uncut echo]

Who are we partnered with?

[balmy condor]

discord

[uncut echo]

O i c

Discord server partnered with discord

[ember mural]

[teal bloom]

What do you get from partnering with discord 🤔

[tropic rover]

Partnered servers get a bunch of benefits

Idk what

[balmy condor]

I'm sure you all have access to google to sate your curiosity

[drifting cloud]

you can use DN jokes freely

[oak sky]

Whats DN

[tropic rover]

Noooo

[teal bloom]

What's ligma?

[drifting cloud]

#assassination message

[green harbor]

Dreadnaught, it's a warrior talent

[oak sky]

Ok I will make sure to check it out, thank you ryler for teaching me to fish

[tropic rover]

Death kNight

[drifting cloud]

no worries keep it up 👍

[atomic wolf]

Is Shadow Dance just dead for assass?

[dense herald]

Very min maxy question but in cleave or aoe scenarios where you constantly target swap, is there merrit in mouseover macros to apply dots and to stick on a target and continue auto attacking? And second part to this question, are start attack macros still a thing that are recommended?
Trying to work out whether the risk of losing some auto attacks from continual target swapping is something worth considering or so small no one worries about it

[thorny pond]

The latter. Bleeds are melee range and same as AA range

[uncut echo]

I fucking hope so

[balmy condor]

omega dead

[atomic wolf]

Dude I literally dont have keybinds for all this

[oak sky]

Doesnt really matter

[balmy condor]

like unplayable in all forms of content dead

[thorny pond]

Get more mouse

[balmy condor]

no niche for it ever

[atomic wolf]

ok good to know lol not gonna put it on my bars and bind it then

[oak sky]

Beach what you playing this tier?

[tropic rover]

Get footpedal

[thorny pond]

Bench. By choice

[balmy condor]

entire right side of class tree past tight spender is essentially worthless for sin

pretty gud

[atomic wolf]

What are your thoughts on marked for death currently?

[teal bloom]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[cyan kestrel]

If we are talented into CT do we still press it in ST outside of shiv debuff?

[balmy condor]

pvp good, pve bad

[balmy condor]

ye

well

kinda

it's complicated

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-snowing-winter-dive-dive-into-dat-gif-17555435

[thorny pond]

Wasn’t your TL DR just press it for ST ?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[thorny pond]

Papa blessed

[balmy condor]

the tldr is just press it every now and then when you have nothing else to do

[cyan kestrel]

I havent been pressing it but thats mainly because my amp poison gets to 20 if I dont Envenom

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's part of the complicated

and poison bomb

it's uh

a little messy

CT logic won't be fleshed out in time for launch

just one of those things

[thorny pond]

At 70, just ducking send it

[marble hemlock]

i read "lunch" instead of "launch"

[cyan kestrel]

fair enough

[tropic rover]

No lunch until df

[balmy condor]

you saw flesh and your mind did the rest, nice one jeffrey dahmer

[thorny pond]

Go get a sando, Seli

[cyan kestrel]

Im just not gonna press it in ST because thats easy 😄

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

[thorny pond]

So math fren, is there any point we would want to stack mastery for amp poison trucking envenoms?

[cyan kestrel]

I am no math man but I think Mastery Stonks go up with DTB so maybe

[marble hemlock]

It's already one of the two desirable stats we want to get as much of as we can

[thorny pond]

Haste AoE and Cleave. Mastery ST?

[cyan kestrel]

Just get as much haste and mastery you can and feel out the rest

[thorny pond]

Sounds like feelycraft and that’s not what pays the bills for #benchCrew

[cyan kestrel]

Feelycraft BiS

[marble hemlock]

Crit+Mastery

Unless I missed smth in the last day or two

Haste slightly better than Vers, but both are worse than Crit+Mastery

[thorny pond]

Least vers is low. Shit stat

[uncut echo]

Sin sub easier to switch between now more than ever

Kinda nice tbh

[celest helm]

i love that tbh

ill be rocking both 100% im sticking to daggers this patch i cant wait

[spice spire]

Swapping = cringe!

[balmy condor]

Dog pfp

[spice spire]

Anime pfp 🤨

[celest helm]

anime pfp yikes

[spice spire]

It’s not even anime, it’s hand drawn

[marble hemlock]

still weeb

animal pfps best pfps

[uncut echo]

I just wish I was chika irl

Is that too much to ask

[gusty mirage]

wtf

[marble hemlock]

did i stutter?

this new shadowblade guy is one hot piece of animal

[spice spire]

Idk man oxi pfp is cute as fuck

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

you dont wanna have him as a pet?

[uncut echo]

I'd hold hands with Oxi downtown and get them a nice latte

Iykwim

[spice spire]

Bro I don’t even want George as a pet. He’s just my homie and I love him

[marble hemlock]

you dont wanna put oxi on a leash?

[gusty mirage]

did you tell george I love him?

[spice spire]

I did twice today

[marble hemlock]

anyway, too much offtopic in assa again

dont ban me

[spice spire]

Not even joking

[spice spire]

Bro I’m vanilla as fuck

[uncut echo]

Hey

We just got an nsfw banned earlier

[balmy condor]

Emoji name irrelevant opinion

[spice spire]

Ur right I’ll take it to the dms

[uncut echo]

Good boy

[marble hemlock]

based

[celest helm]

F

[dark token]

R

[thorn crater]

Boomer at 7:30 in the morning what is pfp

[spice spire]

Profile picture

[gusty mirage]

go to sleep

[thorn crater]

And the reason it’s not pp is?

[spice spire]

Because that’s an anatomical term?

[thorn crater]

Is it?

[spice spire]

You and doz are opps

[thorn crater]

What does pp stand for then lol

First time I’ve heard of that

[spice spire]

Slang for uh. Male piece (it wasn’t a serious response)

[thorn crater]

You Muricans are are weird

[ebon notch]

bruh you explaining pp?

[spice spire]

Brother I made a meal for 12 on my day off, I’ll explain you more if you sass me again

[thorn crater]

Is it because of the word pee?

Nvm@it’s not for here

[spice spire]

But imma listen to my new boss and

[thorn crater]

Lmfao

I’m not trolling I’m legit baffled

Sorry sorry Ty for explaining

[oak sky]

Explain this 🍆

[vernal adder]

Quake trying not to change name challenge

Impossible

[strange python]

I used to play this game called guardian heroes on the sega saturn (bonafied boomer) - It had these insanely annoying worm monters. Your PFP moves like they did. I just discovered I have PTSD.

[subtle tundra]

Like 3rd or 4th day in a row where I can't fucking breathe cause my nose is fucked

I can't take this anymore

[midnight atlas]

You can cloak the stuffed nose debuff

[subtle tundra]

Not even cheat death can save me

[midnight atlas]

Just cold or some surgery?

[desert shard]

you need to exsand that shit, so it passes faster

exsang*

[subtle tundra]

Just my nose fucked

[strange python]

you one of those people on the tiktoks grabbing your nostrils like "YOU GUYS BREATH LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME?!?!!?"

[subtle tundra]

I had 2 times where I almost started to cry

Bcs of my nose

🫡

[midnight atlas]

Do some pushups, for me it clears it for a bit. Brain realizes i need oxygen for that and stops trolling

[subtle tundra]

I am at uni

During seminar

[midnight atlas]

Do some pushups and get someone to film you for tik tok

[next arch]

This emote triggers me so hard

[strange python]

yeah fuck it, just do it like right in front of everyone like a chad

[subtle tundra]

I love it cause I hate it so much

[next arch]

Yeah but why do you hate it :(

[subtle tundra]

A cat doesn't look like that

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-cat-gif-23774444

[next arch]

Yeah so why is it called catpog haha.

[subtle tundra]

[next arch]

[shrewd night]

Idk chief why is called what it is

[desert shard]

I was gonna argue that point, but the bear jamming got me entranced

[vernal adder]

[exotic robin]

Hey guys, can you please tell me what is Pandemic? Can't find it in the talents :<

[raven knoll]

its a dot mechanic not a talent

Pandemic is an effect where if you refresh a dot before it has run out, then up to 30% of the duration of that ability will be added to the new duration.

[exotic robin]

Oh, thx! So that means we never want to drop rupture from the target?

Instead of dropping it we reapply it before it ends?

[torpid hinge]

Yeah if you reapply during the last 30% of the rupture, the remaining duration will be added onto the newly applied one leaving you with an extra long rupture

[little forge]

I think we let exsanguinate buffed ruptured go to the full duration as overwriting that drops the buff from it

[exotic robin]

Well, this will need a WA then:)

And how does pandemic works with improved garrote + normal garrote?

We do not do that, right?

[torpid hinge]

Yeah don’t overwrite an improved garrote with a normal one

[little forge]

If you apply a normal one over a buffed one it looses the buff

If you overwrite a normal one with a buffed one you get a longer buffed one

[exotic robin]

Seems clear, thanks a lot guys. I am kinda new to assassination and love the gameplay.

[torpid hinge]

You always want to refresh your bleeds before hitting exsang so that you get max duration on the sped up dots

Even if they aren’t in the pandemic window yet

[little forge]

If you find a working WA for tracking empowered garrotte without being in a 100 aura pack let me know :P. Haven't found one yet

[exotic robin]

I am using a WA that is tracking emopowered garrotte, but as u said, it is in a pack :<

But now I am not sure if it is showing 30% of the dot time

[willow rapids]

Most packs do something to the dot aura, like make it glow, when it's in the pandemic window

[raven knoll]

I think that's just a simple condition.

[willow rapids]

It is, if dot duration < X sec, do something

[little forge]

If it's not luxthos one it would work, it's just I only want that one aura and his auras all rely on dependanies within the pack 🙂

[exotic robin]

I am at work atm but I think it is the Luxthos one 😁

[willow rapids]

Check afenar or zac's, you should be able to mess with those more without breaking them

[little forge]

I'll take a look at those when I'm back at home 🙂

[midnight atlas]

i think you can take it out from a wa pack and use it alone. just have to tweak some conditions

[raven knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[midnight atlas]

or grab afenar's pack and delete everything except garrote

[tacit oar]

afenar is bae

[midnight atlas]

does meld garrote add empowered garrote during boss encounter?

[marsh grail]

@vestal wren i dont know if this has been asked before but is it possible to take your 2 single target assa sims and do a version of them without exsang? im curious what the dps loss is

[subtle tundra]

Just removing exsang is - 7%

And not putting the point anywhere

[marsh grail]

that is kinda big :/

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[vestal wren]

moment

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/65hyA2CPCaesR6Qd9XQj5T

[subtle tundra]

It's capstone level strong

[vestal wren]

bets case

[marsh grail]

ok thats big fuck

[vestal wren]

the sim does compare possible alternatives

for this one single node point

[marsh grail]

tysm

[bold drum]

i yoinked his garrote for my weakauras

[midnight atlas]

nice. i made my own pack last expansion by yoinking 3 different packs toghether

but cba doing it again

[bold drum]

things get easier once the turbo yoinked stuff all falls into one new pack and then you just manage that

[onyx wind]

since wednesday my kingsbane is sooo much more damage

[midnight atlas]

this xpac all of the wa packs perform way better

[bold drum]

idk how many people used afenar in sl but ive seen a lot of people use it for df

[onyx wind]

its doing 120k-150k on average

before wednesday it was doing 60-90k

[steel ridge]

not sure what your point is

[vestal wren]

KB damage 📈

[gentle apex]

Does DM proc KB

[onyx wind]

how do u guys play 2nd kb in a fight?

[slim hamlet]

click it on cd

[onyx wind]

yes

[slim hamlet]

envenom, shiv, KB

[gentle apex]

Its a 1m cd so it lines up with sm

[onyx wind]

but rupture refresh lines up with setting up for kb

and its exsanguinated so i dont wanna reapply early

[gentle apex]

Envenom does nature why do you not shiv envenom kb

[onyx wind]

you do

[slim hamlet]

I just meant have envenom buff up

[onyx wind]

feels like i have to pick between reapplying rupture early

or losing shiv amp on an envenom

[subtle tundra]

uhmmmgm penis

sorry

[royal lantern]

daily reminder that exsang needs to be removed or reworked

[subtle tundra]

wRONG

only problem is that its oppresively strong

did i write opresiively right

[gentle apex]

Oppressively

[royal lantern]

dunno man, im not a NA andy

[subtle tundra]

i wonder how good it would be as a 2 min cd

[gentle apex]

DTB is honestly going to be so much fun to play

[subtle tundra]

HOW

HOW IS IT GOING TO BE FUN

I DONT GET IT

youre not the first person to say this btw

[gentle apex]

Icky knives heehe

[subtle tundra]

its completely passive

doesnt change anything

you dont think about it

you just do more dmg

[gentle apex]

I think to myself

[subtle tundra]

how is that more fun than ic/kb

[gentle apex]

"Hehe icky knives"

That and uh

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

that is my scream

of desperation

[gentle apex]

Having the ability to shiv a caster in pvp and basically root, numb, wound and deadly them is funny

[subtle tundra]

💀

pvp

[gentle apex]

Bro you picked a rogue

[subtle tundra]

? rogue is the m+ class

not the pvp class

[gentle apex]

What is the pvp class

[subtle tundra]

idk i dont pvp

i like my sanity

[royal lantern]

wrong comment, but i agree

[hybrid portal]

agreed, would also help with button bloat

[royal lantern]

removing NA would make stuf better ye

[onyx wind]

what if they just made exsang double bleed damage

would u be happy

[royal lantern]

i mean, then its just a boring dmg amp, but atleast would not fuck the gameplay

and is a 100% Pick

[spice spire]

Get real

[ancient rain]

What if they made exsang removed it

[royal lantern]

reality sucks, i wanna be in sleepy dream land

[onyx wind]

exsang haters 😴

u can just play DTB no?

then u can 100% focus on exsang

[ancient rain]

What if they made the exsang effect apply to the next garrote and rupture you cast

[onyx wind]

should be a lot simpler to play

[royal lantern]

exsang extends garrote/rupture by X seconds and speeds up bleed tick rate for X seconds

Exsang is a debuff that %deals dmg according to your total bleed dmg that they didnover its duration

litearlly vein ripper copy pasted

all would be better then XD 100% FASTER AND NOT USED FOR BURST BUT MORE TICKS OVER A FIGHT BUT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND THAT AND THINK ITS A BURST ABILITY XD

that was just some shit ideas

[ancient rain]

More ticks = more damage = "burst" no?

[onyx wind]

but for real tho

just play dtb

[royal lantern]

no

[onyx wind]

should make rotation a lot more simple

and its not far behind

[royal lantern]

exsang is litearlly 0burst

[onyx wind]

compared to dropping exsang

[royal lantern]

you CANT use it with your burst windows

you use exsang because the bleeds run out faster, and that means you apply new bleeds and have more bleed ticks over the 5-10min boss fight

burst ability btw

[onyx wind]

most clunky/weird scenarios i encoutner with exsang come from the fact im playing kingsbane

if ur playing DTB u dont have any other cd u need to play around right?

should make it a lot more manageable

[royal lantern]

what the fuck has KB now to do with it

[slim hamlet]

I too am confused

[hybrid portal]

1 moar button

[slim hamlet]

But it's just a press on CD button too

[royal lantern]

kb is just

use every1min on cd

the end

[hybrid portal]

well you cant fire shiv when you want when playing KB

mebe he dont like saving shivs

[slim hamlet]

I mean it's not complicated holding shiv for 10 sec

[quasi ledge]

Saving Shivs for KB makes everything easier

[royal lantern]

^

kb litearlly makes no difference for shiv

instead of "use on cd" its "use with kb"

cus the 2charges alling with kb

[slim hamlet]

KB is the best a "press on cd" cd can be

like it

[plain cipher]

They should have a 2 choice node and left it just boosts your damage like 5-7% and the other choice is exsang

[slim hamlet]

Not a single soul would choose exsang

And pvp'ers dont count

[honest vessel]

i pick xsang c:

[slim hamlet]

[blazing totem]

[subtle tundra]

based

[honest vessel]

tyty

[hardy dagger]

Exang has evolved

[midnight atlas]

it does sure melt in pvp. ma leggo exang + dm + vanish and run watch noob healthbar dissapear

[subtle tundra]

make sure to dm and then exsang for the extra burst

[honest vessel]

wheres the fake news emote

[subtle tundra]

i do be spreading misinformation

[honest vessel]

actually wait imagine a world where you do that in pvp for the burst

i could see it

[onyx wind]

💀

[cobalt hemlock]

[strange python]

[onyx wind]

u set up for kb, u set up for exsang

[slim hamlet]

Not the same

You can make it sound like the same

but one of them makes you do something you would never do and makes no sence intuitively, the other just makes you get your buffs ready

[onyx wind]

i make what sound like the same?

yes i understand the difference

i get why it feels unintuitive to people

[slim hamlet]

Yeah it's all preference

[honest vessel]

i like it for its unintuitiveness c:

makes me feel special for knowing how to use it

[onyx wind]

people are mad its a 7-8% dps increase to take exsang

but wont give up a .3% increase to drop kb

[subtle tundra]

i like kb

[slim hamlet]

Because kb is fun

[subtle tundra]

and i like exsang

[slim hamlet]

for most

[subtle tundra]

i dont like dtb on st

[honest vessel]

based

[slim hamlet]

and exsang is shit for most

[honest vessel]

double based

[subtle tundra]

LETS GO DUDE I HAVE TO PRESS LESS BUTTONS LESSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[onyx wind]

i play both and i enjoy both, it just seems like something people should consider

if they find it clunky to play with exsang

[honest vessel]

"i like having more poisons on"

c:

[onyx wind]

b-b-but poison crit?! and uhh energy

[honest vessel]

kingsbane is like my favorite iteration of sin since i started playing in tomb

[subtle tundra]

yea dude the dopamine from applying 4 poisons

[night delta]

If sin players were looking for less buttons to press they'd reroll evoker

[honest vessel]

we love castbars

[slim hamlet]

Kingsbane is so nice dude

[honest vessel]

love it

[slim hamlet]

specially with DM

[honest vessel]

so much

[strange python]

y'know I feel like this is a big diff between the sin stans and the ol stans. The ol stans in large part will play while standing on glass shards if it means a .3% higher sim. While the sin community will choose to drive a toyota corolla over a lexus because the corolla has fun feeling feedback

[onyx wind]

original kingsbane was exclusive to exsang

[honest vessel]

i think that's just something in every spec probably

[subtle tundra]

i doubt a lot of people know what your comparison means

[onyx wind]

there wasnt an iteration where u played both at the same time

[subtle tundra]

me included

or maybe just me

[lament wedge]

Hey, is Assassination the to-go spec in DF or is Outlaw still viable?

[honest vessel]

they're all super viable

and super fun

[subtle tundra]

outlaw is in the GUTTER after the recent nerfs. didnt you see their channel recently

[honest vessel]

sin is simming best st, outlaw 2target, sub 3+

[subtle tundra]

the world ended for them

[lament wedge]

Great, I never liked Outlaw

[slim hamlet]

I heard they're speculating if it's even worth to click dispatch

xd

[night delta]

Difficult times

[strange python]

basically I actually imagine a lot of people will actually choose to pass on exsang because they JUST DON'T LIKE IT, even for the gain it brings

[honest vessel]

we might drop 2x ds and alacrity cuz finisher dam is so weak

[slim hamlet]

I would skip if it were 1-2%

not 6-7% tho

[subtle tundra]

i like how it plays tho 😦

[onyx wind]

if u guys played uldir u would prob like exsang more

[night delta]

With how strong it is, can't really afford to pass it up :/

[slim hamlet]

Possibly

What was different?

[subtle tundra]

i didnt really want to play exsang initially but after trying it out i liked it

[onyx wind]

exsang prob feels weird cause bleeds do nothing at all

[honest vessel]

the more people that hate exsang, the bigger advantage i get by liking it

hahaha

[night delta]

Or my RL will be on my ass

[onyx wind]

in uldir ur bleeds did damage

[strange python]

don't get me wrong, I LOVE exang, I loved 2k haste bfa sin

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[onyx wind]

so it felt good

[subtle tundra]

bro what

bleeds are your top dmg

what you on

[honest vessel]

nah melee is my highest

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I just got confused?

[honest vessel]

idk typing /cast spell just takes me so long

my melee's end up on top

[slim hamlet]

[drifting cloud]

lol in uldir exsang was a choice talent

it wasnt good

[strange python]

and yeah i know, most won't but I bet some will, a lot of sin players really do seem to play for the fun

[subtle tundra]

never played that and im happy i didnt

[onyx wind]

it was good if u were good

[limber lion]

just open up your spellbook and click the spells there... dummy

[slim hamlet]

True

[onyx wind]

but doesnt matter if it was good or not, it felt better

[drifting cloud]

if only you could open old logs and check instead of making shit up .. oh wait you can

[honest vessel]

whats a spellbook

can u mark it on my map?

[subtle tundra]

it was good cause of a trinket

[slim hamlet]

You have to find it in your bags

[honest vessel]

oh okay

[subtle tundra]

by itself wasnt good

[honest vessel]

what if i haven't taught my character to read common

[onyx wind]

regardless, if u play exsang in uldir u know bleeds did double damage of what they do now

and u also had nightstalker for rupture

[limber lion]

Kinda not true though

It was literally just garrote that was doing any damage

because of Shrouded Suffocation

[slim hamlet]

So bleeds were like 70% dmg ish?

[onyx wind]

how does that detract anything from my point

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that also how it is now

[limber lion]

I'm pretty sure our bleeds combined do more damage now than what Garrote did back then.

[limber lion]

No

Garrote was literally doing 45%+ damage by itself

[slim hamlet]

damn

[strange python]

oh man

shrouded suff

good times

[limber lion]

We also didn't play Nightstalker, we played Subterfuge

[onyx wind]

ye ur right

mixed up patches

[limber lion]

All good

[onyx wind]

regardless it felt good

i think most ppl can agree on that

[subtle tundra]

idk didnt play exsang

i played all of bfa and didnt talent it once

[strange python]

traitorous

[onyx wind]

if u didnt like it at its best, u wont like it at its worst either

[subtle tundra]

well

pretty sure exsang is stronger now that it was in uldir

[strange python]

man with expedient you hit exsang and popped off like 2 mill damage in the window

[onyx wind]

hahaha please try to make that comparison

across a completely different talent system

[subtle tundra]

whatever

[onyx wind]

galecallers boon 🙏

[subtle tundra]

idk if only they made corruptions a good system from the get-go and not so late i quit rogue

[drifting cloud]

wtf varas rogue betrayer

[subtle tundra]

it was an important part of my life and i took a break

and when i came back i just went to hunter for m+

easy gearing

[ionic smelt]

s4 bfa m+ was just the best playing assa, so smooth. Now too many buttons to press

[strange python]

yeah it was an important time to me too, I was working on mythic nzoth and I was in a guild that apparently couldn't see black circles

[subtle tundra]

each to their own ig

[onyx wind]

one tier im gonna avoid burning out so i can get CE

they should make other games less fun

[subtle tundra]

if only there was any game i'd find fun

[onyx wind]

reset ur dopamine receptors

[subtle tundra]

oh youre telling me to stop masturbating

not happening

[onyx wind]

partially

[subtle tundra]

then what do you want me to do???

[onyx wind]

man im not a lifecoach

[slim hamlet]

become one then

the man needs it

[subtle tundra]

maybe i need to do drugs

[onyx wind]

all of them

[strange python]

of the medical kind? maybe

[subtle tundra]

nah

[onyx wind]

what wow class player is the most likely to do drugs

[slim hamlet]

aren't they all

[slim hamlet]

Unironically probably rogue

Or warrior

[strange python]

careful, that's 1 step away from a crystal girl who wants to pop ket pills because she heard about psychs doing micro dosing

[subtle tundra]

warlock does heroin

[peak musk]

played exsang in uldir + ny‘alotha and had no problem/feels fine, played it 2 times last week and thought every 45sec „WHAT IS THIS SHIT“ the desync feels so bad

[night delta]

Cocaine was a regularly prescribed medicine at some point

[viscid spear]

And Coca-Cola had cocaine in it, originally branded as a medicine

[night delta]

Exsang on expedient corruptions in 8.3 was probably the closest sin was to being coked up

[burnt star]

8.3 was borrowed power fest

[strange python]

pretty sure heroin was advised by some random drs back in the day to sooth childrens coughs too

[burnt star]

I remember doing 80% of my damage from that falling star shit on dh

In s.t

[drifting light]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hybrid portal]

pretty sure you played exsang in uldir, fetid and the big red guy

[hollow barn]

You played exsang on everything except zul iirc in uldir

[subtle tundra]

no, i didnt

maybe in general people did

[hybrid portal]

i mean you prob should

[subtle tundra]

but i didnt

it was my first raiding tier

[honest vessel]

look out varas he's about to call you a casual

[subtle tundra]

fuck

sorry i didnt always play the best builds

just how people wont play exsang in df cause they dont like

[honest vessel]

kus here is a believer that anyone who does that is a casual

and choice doesnt exist

[slim hamlet]

It doesn't

[subtle tundra]

i think i was doing pretty ok playing in a casual guild, having just hc gear and getting purple logs

[hybrid portal]

well most people with that "play what you want whatever" attitude seems to lean on the casual playstyle, i apparently he did play casual

which is totally fine

[slim hamlet]

Playing casually is not ok, I will tell people how to play

[hybrid portal]

the issue comes when people say "play what you want all is fine", when it really is not fine

[honest vessel]

well how close do they have to be to be fine

[subtle tundra]

well i played casually cause thats all i knew
i wanted to do better