#assassination

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gusty mirage
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you can talk to @spice spire who I'm 99.9% sure is a dog

spice spire
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Bark bark mf

near valley
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the goodest boi

oak sky
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Do it for me

spice spire
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
oak sky
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@subtle tundra

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Lmaooo

spice spire
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There’s a thread despairge

gusty mirage
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@shadow sequoia this isn't off topic, stop treating it as such.

near valley
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during exams?

midnight mist
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Is he really a dog btw? Always wondered

candid geyser
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Oxi orange name intimidating

near valley
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true^

oak sky
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Dont worry i dont have exams for 2 weeks

shadow sequoia
near valley
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when he was green he seemed less scary

spice spire
oak sky
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Oxi could never be scary to me

near valley
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now he has the power

gusty mirage
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the only thing that changed, is you guys can't run to the blades to complain about me anymore

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(:

near valley
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do the Shadows respond?

spice spire
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Did that ever happen kekMega

gusty mirage
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greens have had ban privs for like 2 weeks

near valley
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asking for a friend

oak sky
earnest remnant
spice spire
gusty mirage
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ye agreon

spice spire
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I’ve got to ban one bot WideGeorgeHappy

little ivy
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why dont we have to re apply poison every attack

near valley
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?

little ivy
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more apm

spice spire
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It’s long lasting

midnight mist
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True sin main

earnest remnant
near valley
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means i'd have to stop dpsing to apply poison

midnight mist
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Want to cast poison between each gcd

near valley
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cba with that cast time

oak sky
little ivy
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hear me out

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1s recharge off gcd instant apply

midnight mist
spice spire
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Cast time buddy get woke

gusty mirage
near valley
midnight mist
little ivy
earnest remnant
little ivy
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steal

spice spire
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Nah pickpocket is gone

near valley
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is it though?

gusty mirage
earnest remnant
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my IQ do be around room temp

near valley
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300 degrees F?

earnest remnant
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the fck is F?

gusty mirage
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don't let stealthi lie to you

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he's hot and a lawyer

near valley
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thought that was u

gusty mirage
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nah im ugly af bro wdym

near valley
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true

earnest remnant
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bruh Fahrenheit is like some imaginary shit 100%

oak sky
gusty mirage
spice spire
gusty mirage
near valley
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the madman

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Clout orange name when?

spice spire
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Don’t down yourself MadgeRightNow

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Check dms

burnt shard
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hey i searched a lot but couldn't find a opener guide for aoe packs as assas (im not mention'ing prio list like maintain rapture/garrote etc.) I just need a opener like press this and this

subtle kiln
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9.5 levels til feral shenanigans

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exsang making me quit rogue. Cheesin

ebon notch
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@midnight mist imagine having slow mode on PepeLaugh

versed mica
subtle kiln
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lulz what did they do. can’t be worse than pedo hour

oak sky
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Complain a lot

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They got nerfed

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Except it was a nerf to a weaker build primarily

subtle kiln
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i hecking love outlaw

static glacier
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honestly the nerf is so gentle that I'm happy. better than blade flurry getting the starfall treatment

subtle kiln
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i’m sure the nerfs were unjustified and now make the spec literally unplayable in raid.

near valley
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The outlaw ones?

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Nah they just force u to play HO even more than before

subtle kiln
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my sarcasm is slipping

static glacier
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that moment you realise outlaw was unplayable in raid regardless kekw

celest helm
verbal knot
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Ok correct channel this time.With the kingsbane build,if we get an ambush proc during our opener when do we press it? Considering we gotta maximize bleeds and ER for exsang and all that

static glacier
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I mean outlaw is only dominant in m+ atm and I'm fairly sure sin isn't too far behind

static glacier
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Varas was playing a bunch of beta keys as sin with admirable performance tbh

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not seen anyone beta test sub so can't speak for it

static glacier
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ye

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tiny nerf

verbal knot
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that makes me happy

balmy condor
verbal knot
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That makes sense,thx whispyr

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Still trying to get used to this spec on beta after playing only 3 buttons entire expansion as a sub main OMEGAKEKW

celest helm
vital cradle
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Does anyone have a good cast sequence macro for exsanguinate?

balmy condor
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No

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Don’t do that

misty edge
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Am i missing something that poison bomb is 50% chance, i thought it was 25% O.o

dark token
eager sorrel
vital cradle
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Nice, thanks!

dark token
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Don't use that

blazing totem
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you jebaited him OMEGAKEKW

eager sorrel
dark token
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/castsequence exanguinate, death mark, vanish, echoing reprimand, kingsbane, thistle tea, shadow dance, indiscriminate carnage

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Name it

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All the cds

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"big damage button" also acceptible

blazing totem
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just put every ability into cast sequence kek

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press only one button

celest helm
# vital cradle Nice, thanks!

dont use cast sequence macros your dps will pay and your brain will melt. learn the spec, practice your rotation, and become a good player

eager sorrel
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Got booted when that was discovered

blazing totem
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lmao

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that’s hilarious if true

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did you ask him to send a screenshot of his binds?

eager sorrel
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I did not, also wasn't an officer in the guild. Just listened to the guy get reamed and wasn't in raid the next week :P

vital cradle
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That's what I'm hoping for. One button on my hotbar that I can bind to my space bar. I can't keep up with this complicated stuff

eager sorrel
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Someone sim that and tell me it's 98% of the sim DPS please

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Lol

blazing totem
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I’m mortified that this is a legit site that has many users

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makes me wonder how many of my pugs in my years of playing were using something like this

neon kindle
balmy condor
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Already cursed

eager sorrel
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True, not home so can't import the build too. Would be surprised to see exsang

balmy condor
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Homie lost in the sauce

blazing totem
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wouldn’t something like this completely break during phases or if you got CC’d or needed to switch targets?

balmy condor
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Looks like my prepatch starter build

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Blindside poison bomb sbs

balmy condor
celest helm
teal bloom
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Why play a game if you don't want to play the game peepostudy

celest helm
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exactly

vital cradle
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I just like to roll on the loot. It's like playing scratch off lotto tickets

balmy condor
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Might I suggest genshin impact

celest helm
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every tool in the world to succeed and do well and dudes with 1 button macros end up in groups with me

vital cradle
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And no matter what you say, I firmly believe it's ok to roll need if you need it for xmog

balmy condor
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You’re the scum of the earth

vital cradle
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Haha

balmy condor
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I’m losing rolls for my tier sets in pugs to people like you man

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Wtf

vital cradle
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I'm kidding

celest helm
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Lets not pretend that people like that get into mythic

balmy condor
eager sorrel
balmy condor
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During sepulcher I had to do LFR for my 4 piece

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We’re struggling out here

celest helm
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Crumbs

teal bloom
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Lfr gamer Pog

static glacier
eager sorrel
vital cradle
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This change to group loot isn't gonna help. Leather is the most popular armor type by far

eager sorrel
balmy condor
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Imagine playing the only class in the game that drops agi daggers

vital cradle
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Oh God, seriously? I haven't even looked at that yet

eager sorrel
open rapids
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Do you need to reapply bleeds before using death mark?

eager sorrel
open rapids
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Ty also can you deathmark right after using ensang?

eager sorrel
open rapids
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No but I’ve read all sorts of things that had me a tad confused so just wanted to check

marble hemlock
eager sorrel
eager sorrel
balmy condor
static glacier
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I swear the button macros are used by people who like struggle to play the games. unironically disabled people etc

balmy condor
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Knowing the community, that is the minority of players using those

static glacier
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I can't imagine the appeal

marble hemlock
balmy condor
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The appeal is brain off

static glacier
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classic exists for that besad

balmy condor
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And thank god for it

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We’ve seen a drastic dip in classic Andy’s complaining about anything added in the last 10 years because of it

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Good isolation from blizzard

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Keep them contained in their Time Capsule

static glacier
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I was so naïve to believe an irl friend that vanilla etc was hard, it came out and I tried it and bruh

blazing totem
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imagine playing classic rogue for that sweet 10 apm gameplay

balmy condor
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Yeah it’s 2 buttons and no mechanics

eager sorrel
static glacier
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even wotlk atm, hardest mechanic in the raid is thaddeus I guess?

balmy condor
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If wotlk gameplay was optimized it would’ve been just like that

static glacier
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iirc ulduar back in the day for 10m normal had like 3k dps req, people doing 6k+ in naxx atm

balmy condor
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But everyone was stumbling around with no resources or guides or anything

blazing totem
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classic made sense back when it was relased, people werent gamers

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people had shit PCs and internet

static glacier
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^ true takes, all of em

blazing totem
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so it made sense for a boss to have very little mechanics

static glacier
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freedom of information didn't exist. people didn't know optimal talents / prio list / comp or gearing

blazing totem
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that too

dusk turret
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Does anyone know of anyone that has videos of assa in M+ for dragon flight? I only see outlaw rogues one YouTube

eager sorrel
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Now that's like 1 of 12 other mechanics in a fight

sour sand
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Anyone know of some streamer who does m+ as assasin on beta. i havn't seen a single vid of that so far

static glacier
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check vods

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see above

deft flicker
dusk turret
sour sand
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oh wow same question nice

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i was curious because thats like the only spec i dont see people using

gusty mirage
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we exist keksalute

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much to the dismay of the people we run with

sour sand
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it's bad?

gusty mirage
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SL was not a good time for assassination

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it was a lot more work, for at best similar damage

sour sand
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is it good in DF?

deft flicker
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I hope so

gusty mirage
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look pretty good ye nodders

balmy condor
gusty mirage
balmy condor
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Orange is a good color

eager sorrel
teal bloom
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uwu exs_uwu

obtuse robin
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i remember when oxi was one of us

balmy condor
obtuse robin
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now he orange

eager sorrel
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@blazing totem lowkey love the name of that emote

blazing totem
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I love it so much

balmy condor
blazing totem
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it’s cute

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even when angry

gusty mirage
blazing totem
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busted

gusty mirage
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man's about to have a rough DF experience

cerulean nest
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is the gear from Nokhud Offensive implemented yet? noticed there were like zero pieces from it on a lot of fuu's sims

cerulean nest
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thats what I wondered

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nice for us lol

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we're living in halls of valor

eager sorrel
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Crafted proc items implemented in sims yet? Somewhat surprised to not see the JC proc neck or LW toxic boots.

balmy condor
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They’re implemented but finnicky

eager sorrel
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EoD, raidbots will tell us what to Craft and what dungeon to run 59 times in the first couple weeks.

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The one button macro for all things gearing ;)

balmy condor
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it’s hard to recommend the crafted gear in general because they keep moving the numbers

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Super unclear what the goal is

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Should it be bis? Get beaten by mythic? By vault?

eager sorrel
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No shot in not crafting 318 MH/OH week 3/4

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Probably claw/dagger b/c terros

balmy condor
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We don’t really know that either

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Not only do you need to farm the mats

strange python
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how much of the crafted gear is regulated to just the craftER is the real question

balmy condor
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You need to find a crafter with the rank 3

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Which is going to take a lot of time

strange python
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all the more to epeen flex our gold with

eager sorrel
# balmy condor We don’t really know that either

BS is one of the easiest to level b/c of how many open world points there is and you can guarantee 318 with 110 points.

Mettle shuffle is killed, but that is in the range for week 3, and guaranteed for week 4.

Smelting rank 3 mats is also guaranteed week 3 because inspiration procs are a thing.

Biggest time gate will Honestly be the 10 x +16 because that second week will be hell.

strange python
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and by gold I mean real life wallets and tokens

faint spoke
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!guide

static glacier
young idol
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im sorry im still tryna process the computing logic behind this lol

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double on-use trinkets and somehow swapping slots is a damage increase even if only a fraction lol

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on another note; @strange python handsome squidward gang baby

prisma cypress
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margin of error, baby

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even with a lot of iterations there’s still going to be a little bit of random variance in sim outcomes

young idol
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right that's just probability in action

dark token
# young idol im sorry im still tryna process the computing logic behind this lol
  1. margin of error
  2. sim uses top trinket first, ignoring if it's a stat or dmg trinket. Putting a stat trinket in first slot and dmg trinket in 2nd slot can result in better CD syncing for stats
  3. one trinket can gain a use in certain fight times/trinket CDs. If the stronger trinket gets a use vs a weaker trinket gets another use depends on the slot
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Sim is in general quite dumb with trinkets, we don't put the effort to minmax every trinket

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Some are ofc (like ashvanes razor coral)

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But double onuse dmg? No

young idol
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i guess that answers the computing logic 😆

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worth a good laugh while looking at it

balmy condor
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Sims aren’t accurate down to the single dps

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Beta sims I do for example are +-40 dps

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How you should be reading that screenshot is “the sim can’t tell the difference between the two slots”

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Not “this is better”

young idol
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makes sense; I don't know all the parameters for raidbots computing logic. just enough to operate it and sim for the results i'm looking for

balmy condor
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Yeah just for the future, if it highlights the lines as a side grade, that means it can’t tell which is better

misty edge
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is the energy from rupture ticking gone??

balmy condor
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No

slow marsh
young idol
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is it generally better to not focus on highlighted sidegrades? I would assume the only time it matters is per individual encounter; like Jailer has more often movement then Sylvanas which has a lot of movement but also has way more adds. hopefully that made sense lmao

balmy condor
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If the sim can’t tell the difference, you definitely won’t

dense herald
dense herald
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Haha that’s all good just don’t let it happen again
How’s the guide writing, brain fried yet?

balmy condor
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I know the sim runs tens of thousands of fights in order to get statistically significant results and tracks all the data

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But Greg with the sticky 2 key on his keyboard doing 80 pulls on a boss probably can tell

dense cedar
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every pull i do is worth 2 million sim pulls

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my brain is simply that good at math

gusty mirage
dense cedar
gusty mirage
strange python
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Looks good to me

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is assassination gonna be miles ahead of outlaw on boss dmg in raid we think?

static glacier
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according to current sims yes

balmy condor
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Depends on how you quantify a mile

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People be out here willing to drop 6% dps to not play exsang

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But then call outlaw unplayable if it’s not within 3% of Assassination

green harbor
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whispyr, does wowhead tell you when you can update a guide from pre-patch to DF, or can you just do it whenever you want?

balmy condor
somber fractal
narrow adder
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I've thought this for a while but don't think I asked, would adding CT to VW procs just be too good? I dunno if that'd just energy cap sin for dungeons but I played CT in S1 and had a lot of fun before coming back to outlaw for 3/4

green harbor
strange python
somber fractal
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outlaw dead spec 60% behind sin

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joking aside things are still changing

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outlaw just got another small nerf

balmy condor
# green harbor what i was asking was the quite the opposite of a deadline

Wowhead basically functions as individual guide pages and what you perceive as a “spec guide” is a button template that moves you between the individual pages. From prepatch to dragonflight, im giving a list of instructions about what page should have and a formatting template to follow in order to keep all the specs formatting coherent and consistent. I write them into new guide pages that are then taken and replace the official guides when they plug it all in and flip the switch

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Deadline this time around is 11:59pm on Friday pacific time

subtle tundra
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I will deadline you

balmy condor
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So that means wowhead guides won’t get the dragonflight switch flipped until Saturday night by the earliest

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I wouldnt expect anything before Monday though

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Sunday night/Monday morning

somber fractal
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the guide is just 50 pages of "All exsang and no play make Whispyr a dull boy"

balmy condor
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In theory I could plug them in myself before that point

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But that’s neither my job, nor would it go over well for me with the higher ups :P

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Once the guides are live I can just freely edit them whenever

thorn crater
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have you surrendered to madness or are you sticking by your guns?

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trying to gauge what type of guide we get 😛

balmy condor
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Madness is just par for the course

thorn crater
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Smoge

balmy condor
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Wowhead guides are pretty reserved

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The crazy is in here

thorn crater
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i cant wait for the fights that will break out

dense cedar
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you should put in the wowhead guide that people should be swapping poisons mid-pack in M+

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check to see if people are actually reading

uncut echo
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Or just accept a couple % loss

dense cedar
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I forgot

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Does DM reset on wipe

balmy condor
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Yes

grizzled jay
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deez muts

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LMAO GOTTREM

dim shoal
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i dont know if thats important to fix, but this button on the spreadsheet is a link to a dragon tempered blade sim

eager sorrel
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I'm just happy they fixed tea so it does tbh

dense cedar
balmy condor
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Vendetta reset too

dense cedar
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since when??

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it didn't in SoD

balmy condor
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You sure?

dense cedar
balmy condor
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I thought he changed it in like bfa

dense cedar
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im going senile whispyr

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put me down

balmy condor
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When they were fucking with the gcd

dense cedar
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i don't remember it resetting in CN or SoD

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but tbh

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could just be me being dumb

balmy condor
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I mean maybe I’m the idiot too

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Definitely possible I’m just clowning

dense cedar
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i trust the person who was actually playing at the time

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rather than me on the sidelines

grizzled jay
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vendetta reset in bfa

dense cedar
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nice try buddy

balmy condor
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But I don’t remember off the top of my head having a moment where it was an issue during raid testing

dense cedar
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i remember getting flamed for it

balmy condor
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I remember thistle tea not resetting

grizzled jay
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i had a lot of p1 n'zoth wipes, never didn't have vendetta

dense cedar
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ah

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nyalotha

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i didn't play that tier

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i c

balmy condor
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Based

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Ny’alotha was a dark time

dense cedar
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"game kinda sucks too much rn" unsubs is the story of my wow career

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probably why i never really get better at the game but also

grizzled jay
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the only thing about ny'alotha you need to remember is I got CE before Whispyr

dense cedar
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im not paying blizz to have a bad time

balmy condor
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I didn’t mythic raid before sanctum

dense cedar
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Lmao

balmy condor
grizzled jay
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oh i was thinking of Zephyr nvm. they were on an RP realm like me trying to get CE lmao

dense cedar
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Mythic raiding for the first time really teaches you how bad people are at wow tho tbh

balmy condor
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I’ve been like a first 3-5 mythic andy

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Until sanctum

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Heroic+

dense cedar
fallen arch
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Its hard to keep groups together that run into a wall

brazen zodiac
grizzled jay
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a lot of heroic guilds don't go to mythic because half their raid team refuses and would gquit if they asked them

fallen arch
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Is my exp

dense cedar
brazen zodiac
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man that shit so boring, and i thought envenom spamming in sod was a snooze

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im likin the op FoK gameplay tho, real spicy shit

eager sorrel
brazen zodiac
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i cant even bring myself to post

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i lost webbed death to a hunter for OS

dense cedar
dense cedar
subtle tundra
grizzled jay
dense cedar
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game is 2 million years old and people still haven't learned that wow raids have like

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3 hard bosses max

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they will

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kick your shit in

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forever

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but its not like NH's first 3 bosses are some impossible task

grizzled jay
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hardest boss in ny'alotha was probs n'zoth. that fight was fun for me personally, though i know a lot of people hated it.

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kinda interesting a fight like N'Zoth is very personal responsibility heavy and is widely not liked but Halondrus has the same extreme "wipe if you mess up a single time" and is beloved.

eager sorrel
subtle tundra
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You didn't wipe on nzoth if you made an individual mistake though, it can be salvaged

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On halondrus booooom

eager sorrel
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Anything after lihivium that was basically the story.

oak sky
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Theyre right vendetta definitely didnt reset early on in sod

dense cedar
eager sorrel
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Oh you ran a Star through the adds, you fucked.

Ate a green puddle because you tunnel? Ya fucked.

Can't find the little black circle to clear in, you guessed it, fucked.

subtle tundra
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They added 2 min CDs to reset sometime in that tier

dense cedar
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They should add Star Augur to the new raid as a secret extra fight

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i miss how people felt about that one

oak sky
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So it was vendetta

green harbor
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Star augur is the goat

dense cedar
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Why am I not a Shadowblade

subtle tundra
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U too cute

dense cedar
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seems toxic towards Whispyr

winter moss
dense cedar
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:(

winter moss
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also why is that discord show you joined rh on nov 2nd when you have posts from 2016

vestal cliff
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Do you guys use kingsbane?

winter moss
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ye

vestal cliff
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Is kingsbane the best way for single target or is there something better?

winter moss
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are we talking lvl 70 builds?

vestal cliff
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Level 60

winter moss
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ah then not using kb

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not using one of the key talents at all tbh

vestal cliff
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Okay so kb is good on 70?

winter moss
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only reason i dont take kb on 60 is that i would have to sacrifice so much talents

balmy condor
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KB is strictly bis on 60

dense cedar
balmy condor
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KB and DTB are both good at 70

dense cedar
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i am a RH oldhead

vestal cliff
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Okay thanks!

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I new to rogue and i did like no dmg to lfr anduin

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I really want to get into assa

winter moss
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dont know how accurate this still is but since the xpac is coming on monday, 2nd 3rd pin from top

vestal cliff
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Thanks!

young idol
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is there anyway to sim compare legendaries for the time being; blame ocd thats why i care lmao

desert shard
burnt latch
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@subtle tundra if u reply in 2 mins i promise exsang gets deleted be4 release

desert shard
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lol

thorn crater
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I was on the exsa hate bandwagon

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But now that nothing makes sense and wants to sync

desert shard
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don't betray us

thorn crater
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Meh

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Exsa is Fine

desert shard
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how dare you

thorn crater
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Ok so hear me@out

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Or rather read me

burnt latch
dense cedar
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at least we aren't in the CT in ST dimension right now

thorn crater
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Hold I’m ordering coffee

dense cedar
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@obtuse robin made u look

obtuse robin
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fuck got me

dense cedar
thorn crater
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Alright I’m ready

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So

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The spec has always been rotation based and playing close to computer perfect

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With the exception of legion PB phase

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But even then you had to follow a strict pattern

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That has basically gone away the spec has evolved into a faster paced (not fast though) dynamic play style

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It’s easy to say whatever lights up press it but that’s not how it works

dense cedar
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i'd say sin rotation has quite a bit of wiggle room usually

thorn crater
dense cedar
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u could really say that about any spec

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i don't consider sin to be very 5head

thorn crater
#

5head is a zoomer expression that overstates any kind of cognitive ability

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There are@other things between 5head and brain dead mage press fireball till pyro

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So right now in my opinion we have an opener and then we have some things we need to@maintain

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And ER is the only real difference in everything already existing since it gives us access to 7p finishers

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That adjusts play style

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Everything else just fits in

dense cedar
#

i don't understand the point you're trying to make here

thorn crater
#

My point is that since we are more reaction based with a bit of forethought

cobalt hemlock
#

isnt that good? i dont know whats the problem here

desert shard
#

it's a prelude to explaining his statement that exsang is fine

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xD

thorn crater
#

Exsa is Fine

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Yes exactly

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There is no problem it’s what X-ray said

cobalt hemlock
#

sure its fine but if you want different rotation pick a different class not change one people like

dense cedar
#

the problem with it is most people have completely unfun times with it

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people don't like using it

thorn crater
#

Yes because they are used to having a set rotation

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And honestly

dense cedar
#

exsang is still basically a set rotation

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you always know when its going to happen

thorn crater
#

Lil Timmy won’t notice if he doesn’t use exsa on a maxed out gar/rup

cobalt hemlock
#

i bet they will be fine once they get used to it. there was literally 0 outrage about the 4p similar to exsang

thorn crater
#

Like I said, my opinion is that blizz wanted to evolve sin out of what people interpreted as boring play style. They made it more dynamic with everything you need to use

dense cedar
#

exsang isn't new tho

thorn crater
#

For better or worse they succeeded. It’s different, but not too different

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The catalyst is exsanguinate

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We didn’t wanna use it

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So they made DM a bleed and forced it down our throats

dense cedar
#

i don't get waht you're trying to say

cobalt hemlock
#

yeah same

dense cedar
#

there really isn't that much different between like

thorn crater
#

That there is no reason for hate on exsa

dense cedar
#

exsang as it has been in the past

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and exsang now

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its been the same for years

thorn crater
#

It’s an old spell but it feels like it’s new because we are forced to take it always

dense cedar
#

and people haven't liked it for years

thorn crater
#

And it’s the one thing that changed in the past how we played

dense cedar
#

i think u might have gone insane

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its been used in the past

thorn crater
#

Once

dense cedar
#

one expansion ago even

thorn crater
#

Maybe twice

dense cedar
#

and for a bit in legion

thorn crater
#

For a single patch

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If even

dense cedar
#

yeah

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like most deviations

thorn crater
#

It was entirely stoppable

dense cedar
#

for like

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any spec in the game

thorn crater
#

Skippable*

dense cedar
#

again

thorn crater
#

Well now it’s basically mandatory

dense cedar
#

we ran CT in single target at one time

desert shard
#

dark times nodders

dense cedar
#

exsang has been good multiple times

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same as how subterfuge for sin has been good multiple times

thorn crater
#

It has been I agree. But now it’s not just good it’s practically baseline

cobalt hemlock
#

honestly i prefer exsang over crimsom and mark in st

thorn crater
#

Or lose 6%

dense cedar
#

you could make this argument for if people chose to not take toxic blade in bfa

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its not some ground shattering thing that it was strong so people took it

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scratch that

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memory not good enough to remember if they shared row

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i think exsang /tb was the same row

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but can't exactly rmember

thorn crater
#

They did share row

dense cedar
#

then ye

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people just take what's strong

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and people don't enjoy exsang

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people enjoyed TB tho

desert shard
#

I don't remember exactly but there was a time in bfa where the two were in competition, I don't exactly remember when, mb crucible? bfa is a blur

thorn crater
#

I mean multiple people took the slight hit and run TB

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Cause fuck exsa

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But now that nothing makes sense and nothing requires syncing cds

dense cedar
#

slight...

noble light
#

Hello 🙂 are there any stats on how much we are behind sub / outlaw in m+? is it tremendous?

thorn crater
#

Meh

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Who cares

dense cedar
#

pretty sure by expac end

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exsang was way ahead

dense cedar
cobalt hemlock
dense cedar
#

sin did jsut get a significant aoe buff tho

noble light
#

ah ok. thought there is a rough estimate

dense cedar
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
steel ridge
dense cedar
slim hamlet
#
  • makes it more enjoyable
steel ridge
#

its a buff to ease of use, doesnt deal more damage tho

dense cedar
#

i mean

slim hamlet
#

???

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wat

dense cedar
#

it literally deals more damage wtf

slim hamlet
#

That is the weirdest take I've ever seen

desert shard
#

questionmark wut

slim hamlet
#

how is a lower cd not buff dmg

cobalt hemlock
#

i mean of that 15 can give you more casts then its defo more dmg what OMEGAKEKW

thorn crater
#

Ease produces more dmg I think what he means is that the spell itself does not deal dmg

dense cedar
#

the gcd/cp/energy difference between IC and doing it manually is astronomical lmao

thorn crater
#

It just makes it easier to spread the bleeds which makes it more dmg

dense cedar
#

its not just easier

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it literally gives you resources you normally wouldn't have

steel ridge
#

over a 45 second pull and 15 second traveltime to the next pack it gives you ZERO damage increase

slim hamlet
#

It's a buff pepe_nice

cobalt hemlock
deft flicker
#

It also allows for more instances of rupture overlapping which gives you main stat for whatever you do atm

steel ridge
#

its all situational and not SIGNIFICANT

slim hamlet
#

xd

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xd

slim hamlet
#

d

dense cedar
#

the fucking value of exsang is also situational

steel ridge
#

okay ima head out of here

dense cedar
#

waht if the boss lives for 2 gcds

slim hamlet
#

Good

thorn crater
#

Stop being rude

#

Wtf

steel ridge
#

those two guys are downright ridiculous

dense cedar
#

u come in here to lie and we're ridiculous

deft flicker
steel ridge
#

i am neither lying nor ridiculous

slim hamlet
#

Told you how you were wrong, and you come with the most ridiculous take come on

thorn crater
desert shard
#

things really go from 0 to a 100 in rogue discords eh lol

dense cedar
#

a large cd reduction is not situational lmao

royal lantern
steel ridge
#

people are just to easily triggered an on the fence, latching onto everything like rabid dogs

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this discord is the worst right before major patches

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and gets better a few weeks later

thorn crater
dense cedar
#

on a big high horse for being a liar Fury

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exsangyay is the funniest one

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love its energy

cobalt hemlock
#

this is like for bfa for horde there are exsang loyalists and exsang haters

dense cedar
#

well the insane posting at least seems over now

steel ridge
dense cedar
#

we can go back to being happy that we can reach both KB and IC

thorn crater
#

Ye that dude’s weird

topaz gazelle
#

Honestly cant tell if im being trolled rn

slim hamlet
#

Neveg said anyone should leave

steel ridge
#

imagine coming in here 3 weeks ago and pretending to own this server

dense cedar
thorn crater
#

Not sure if EU cringelords or NA insomniacs

dense cedar
#

its primetime babyee

slim hamlet
#

I love wow tbh

dense cedar
#

aurhora moment

slim hamlet
#

?

dense cedar
#

gottem

slim hamlet
#

Huh

noble light
#

why does everyone hate exsang so much?

dense cedar
slim hamlet
#

Pin comment explains

dense cedar
#

functions perfectly fine at least

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not big buggy mess

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like some spec tools

thorn crater
#

So @desert shard I hope you see my point.

dense cedar
#

DTB should let use equip 4 lethal poisons

cobalt hemlock
#

lmao

slim hamlet
#

I meaaan

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Wouldn't that make it a Lil string

dense cedar
#

i think the devs should simply look the other way

cobalt hemlock
#

i would prefer more if we could have dtb with kb

dense cedar
slim hamlet
#

This tbh Bluwe

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I love pressing KB

cobalt hemlock
#

if we talking broken builds that never get released

dense cedar
#

They should give sin BtE

royal lantern
dense cedar
steel ridge
#

thought you were in a happy relationship?

#

now you wanna cheat with DTB?

dense cedar
#

hmm

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talent trees promote polyamory

#

a powerful take i never even though of

slim hamlet
#

Both KB and IC is lovely, can't wait for DF

dense cedar
#

Is that Dragonriding dungeon even any fun

slim hamlet
#

Seems like everyone hates it

steel ridge
dense cedar
#

never bothered with the beta

steel ridge
#

but you seem interested in the dungeons beforehand

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thats why i assumed you had beta

dense cedar
#

u know waht they say about assuming

subtle tundra
tardy basin
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
burnt latch
#

!ban @subtle tundra

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Who let him back

slim hamlet
#

Huh

neat plank
#

wotlk proto drakes should be given dragon riding in DF!

hybrid portal
hollow barn
#

+1 to this

#

Also make dragonriding in Azeroth

subtle tundra
strange python
#

filling GCDs with SBS feels so weird

spice spire
#

You get used to it

royal lantern
#

its just mut, but better

fallen arch
#

And with range

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You know what would be nuts

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If the spec tree gave that torghy power that gave you extra range with sbs, and the further u stood the bigger the dam

mossy blade
#

heya, could someone elaborate the differences between these 4 deadly poison ids to me?
2818 seems to be the default poison damage

then theres these 3, one of them should be Deathmark but usually Deathmark abilities have the deathmark tooltip (garrote and rupture do)
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=113780/deadly-poison
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=394325/deadly-poison
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=394324/deadly-poison

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my current assumption:
113780 = direct damage since already applied (no ticks)

394324 = deathmark (ticking damage)
394325 = already applied the dot, this is direct damage (no ticks)

#

but the ids for deathmark are supposed to be close together, deathmark itself is 360194, garrote is 360830, rupture is 360826 and this is over 30k apart

stiff prawn
#

So are people that are complaining about exsang speaking in PvE terms? Because it’s like super necessary for PvP

steel ridge
slim hamlet
meager granite
#

To be fair, increase assa damage by w/e exsang is providing, remove exsang, most of us are glad

#

so not that necessary

slim hamlet
#

6-9% is pretty necessary no?

meager granite
#

you are talking damage tuning, i'm talking gameplay

#

remove exsang and up 6-9% the damage of assa. Will you miss exsang?

#

If the answer is no, then its gameplay sucks

near valley
#

I do dig an ability that makes my bleeds go faster

next edge
#

I think the idea of exsang is good, but the way it affects gameplay it's not

near valley
#

But as much as I love exsang leokek , I'm willing for them to change it somewhat so that we aren't so divided

meager granite
#

As long as we all hate on outlaw....

slim hamlet
#

If exsang was only used right before DM that would make it fun

#

but can't really tune exsang easily right?

desert shard
#

if exsang was just a boring generic bleed empowerment button no one would bat an eye

hushed aurora
#

make exang a passive talent that buffs DM in a way that adds 6-9% and be done with it

slim hamlet
next edge
#

I think the best solution might be lower the impact of it

#

so it doesnt feel mandatory to play

#

for those who dont like how it works

#

I wouldnt mind having 2-3% less dps but enjoying more the gameplay

#

but a 7-9% seems too high to just pass it tbh

hushed aurora
#

choice talents are the perfect solution for divisive talents like exsang tbh. they should make it a choice talent between current exsang and something else

slim hamlet
#

Give flag xd

next edge
#

flag is super boring

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and only good for sub rn imo

slim hamlet
#

Flag > Exsang

slim hamlet
next edge
#

but works with mastery

#

from sub tree

#

which is really pog

hushed aurora
#

i would love flag instead of exsang

slim hamlet
#

What do you mean works with mastery?

royal lantern
#

i would love many many thingsn over exsang

slim hamlet
#

I would like permanent pain > exsang

#

well basically same thing

royal lantern
spice spire
#

Exsang haters taking Ls

royal lantern
spice spire
royal lantern
#

exsang"lovers" not beeing able to say a single good thing about exsang be like:

slim hamlet
next edge
#

for sub

slim hamlet
#

oh

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Big oneshots in pvp

next edge
#

tbh im just here

#

because you guys are amazing

#

but im 99.99% ninjain sub on DF

#

its so fun

#

Sin too thought but I had to roulette and sub whas the choice

spice spire
near valley
#

Exsang enjoyers eating good

honest vessel
#

snapshotting is fun c:

hushed aurora
#

is sub any good? a guildie of mine is an outlaw main and he tried sub yesterday and couldnt get close to another outlaw's dps in a dungeon even while abusing legendary effects

next edge
honest vessel
#

in df*

near valley
#

Sub sucks

next edge
#

Outlaw iteration with vanish leggo is stupidly strong

near valley
#

Play outlaw

honest vessel
#

sub prepatch poopy but doesnt matter

near valley
#

OwO

hushed aurora
#

what changes for sub in DF? thought they only get some damage

next edge
#

and Dans eMacabre is really cool

#

plus Dark Brew

desert shard
near valley
#

Everytime people write 1 Dance I think of the Drake song

hushed aurora
#

wait you cant get 2 dances in prepatch?

next edge
#

You can

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but its not worth

hushed aurora
#

ah i see

next edge
#

and im talking about DF

#

prepatch is just a w/e

hushed aurora
#

interesting. ill have to try it out in DF

honest vessel
#

the main thing about sub and rogue in general is that other classes and specs have better covenants/legendaries, which will be going away

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leaving sub to lose less than basically everyone else

#

it's not like we get access to a huge talent or something

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not that we dont get anything cool tho

hushed aurora
#

the most important question though - does sub use flag in DF?

honest vessel
#

ye

hushed aurora
#

amazing. i love that ability

honest vessel
#

same

#

u might wanna go to the sub channel for more sub questions tho lol

#

goober

next edge
#

its like Finality + DB is hue

honest vessel
#

ye its p cool

next edge
#

gigachad gaming

slim hamlet
#

I like sepsis

#

sucks that it sucks

#

and yes it's just a button but I like it

honest vessel
#

i thought i would like sepsis

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but then it was just fake stealth

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and i no longer cared

slim hamlet
#

Certainly makes more sence in my head than SBS

next edge
#

Yeah indeed. On sub tree also is very far away from BR and DM so... sadgers

near valley
#

Stepsis stonks sad

steel ridge
#

sepsis on outlaw is 2,5% behind ghostly strike according to fuu´s sheet. not the end of the world

#

sepsis is just another option that might be burstier, it will find its uses, maybe in pvp

strange python
#

how does adding on to a stealth garrote without subterfuge work

#

like empowered garrote and casting another normal garrote to extend duration

steel ridge
#

you will overwrite your garrote with a weaker one

#

which is not advised, so you refresh as late as possible or let it even run out during exsanguinate

keen viper
#

any good elvui and weak auras for rogues assasin?

steel ridge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
#

in fuus sim he does empowered garrote into norm garrote opening doe maybe its just opening so he can maintain energy idk

steel ridge
#

your opener is garrote - slice - garrote, both of them are empowered

strange python
#

ah no he does it again after it runs out

#

yeah i guess the sims might show wrong talents on the general side?

steel ridge
#

i am not sure i understand your question

strange python
#

yeah no its clear to me ty

#

the sims just show the talents diff where it doesnt show subterfuge is taken

steel ridge
#

improved garrote is not dependent on class tree

#

you dont need subterfuge

strange python
#

you dont? for opening stealth garrote and garroting straight after?

desert shard
#

you don't, cause there's a garrote talent in the sin tree, called improved garrote

honest vessel
#

garrote keeps the buff for 3 seconds after leaving stealth

#

read impowered garrote

desert shard
#

^that

strange python
#

ohhh

#

ok

#

well ty for clarification

honest vessel
#

npnp

strange python
#

looking like a sin raid this time around at least based on these sims

steel ridge
#

raid is not pure ST tho

honest vessel
#

BUT WE SLAM SIN ANYWAY

#

SIN GAMING

#
  • man who is raiding as prot war
steel ridge
#

based

jade abyss
#

Sin is love

next edge
#

smh

slim hamlet
#

There is currently a bug where you can get 4 imp garrote if you have subterfuge too

#

But prob not usefull in any way in st

#

Or well it's prob a bug, certainly doesn't seem like it should be a thing

cold turtle
#

i noticed sim is using static empowerment, is that something you'd actually run or just simbait

slim hamlet
#

the pot?

bold drum
#

the phial

#

pretty sure that needs to be adjusted unless you are gonna stand still for the entire duration which will result into a floor pov quite quickly PepeLaugh

subtle tundra
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
desert shard
#

I haven't stood still while raiding in wow in my entire wow life lol

#

that's gonna be a rough one

bold drum
#

prob wont happen so its fine

vernal adder
desert shard
#

jumping is 10% more dps

#

wiggling is at least 20

vernal adder
merry cradle
#

Should I apply improved garrote to as many targets as possible in m+ even if I overcap on cp?

vernal adder
#

gotta try the wiggle

slim hamlet
#

I started as a PvP'er so I didn't adopt the adhd of strafing and jumping

#

kinda pog

normal mist
#

Isn't that THE pvp thing? XD

vernal adder
#

its hugging pillars

normal mist
#

I can't play without jumping, strafing left and right while doing the rotation in PvE (because of the hundreds of pvp matches I've played)

#

It's an old habit now

slim hamlet
normal mist
#

My personal experience about myself tells me other wise xD

slim hamlet
#

And you always chase or run away from something, so you don't really strafe

desert shard
#

in other mmos that's basically mandatory so ppl can't target u as easily xD

slim hamlet
#

imagine not tab

normal mist
#

But boy oh boy I'm a 1800-2000 2s pleb

slim hamlet
#

Wait so other MMO's arent tab targeting?

normal mist
#

I do it for the mog 🤣

normal mist
desert shard
#

they are mostly but if you're doing open world pvp with many targets around tab ain't helping your cause

storm rapids
slim hamlet
#

Really

#

I can't imagine a better way of targeting

normal mist
#

Gw2 is super aoe based and aimed skills from what I remember in WvW

slim hamlet
#

Oh yeah I guess some MMO have "skillshots" or whatever you wann call it

storm rapids
#

im thinking as a melee, i think there is some sort for ranged classes

solid mica
#

How does amp poison work is it passive or an activated?

slim hamlet
#

It stacks passively if that's what you mean

subtle tundra
#

It's a poison

#

Like your other poisons

blazing totem
#

you just use it, don't need to think about it really

solid mica
#

Yeah but does envenom consume it passively?

blazing totem
#

when you use envenom, it consumes stacks to deal bous damage

slim hamlet
#

Use envenom - envenom consumes it

blazing totem
#

as is written in the tooltip

solid mica
#

Ah okay

slim hamlet
#

Pretty sure no matter how many stacks

solid mica
#

Sounded like something u maybe activate before you envenom at 10 stacks or something

copper hazel
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
minor anchor
#

Nah it stacks passively and if it’s at 10 or more, envenom consumes 10

solid mica
#

Pog

blazing totem
#

with the amount of our poison procs it happens very often

minor anchor
#

It also does on hit damage like instant poison

distant plinth
blazing totem
royal lantern
onyx wind
#

so i would doubt it changes much from the current numbers

royal lantern
#

i see a small dmg nerf comming

#

nothing big, probs like 1-3%

thorn crater
#

Or they intend it to be small

#

And it’s a bat

onyx wind
#

ig the last few buffs have mostly to bring kingsbane in line with DTB

#

and not actually touching ST much

dawn merlin
#

Might be accounting for the fact that a big chunk of the raid wont be ST anyway

celest helm
#

Everyfight is ST if you are brave enough

slim hamlet
#

Yep good take

outer cairn
#

This isn’t the Whispyr I know that likes Exsang lol

blazing totem
outer cairn
#

Nm. I read some of your reasoning lol

acoustic sky
pure moth
royal lantern
#

exsang

#

god i Wish

celest helm
#

I dont see a nerf at all tbh. Assass is good st but isnt an st tier so we arent gonna look broken on meters

subtle tundra
#

Delete exsang and assa balanced?

celest helm
#

^

subtle tundra
#

Even more if they play cheat

celest helm
#

And outlaw has been shitting on every rogue spec for an entire expansion so i dont see the issue

#

Butt pirates had their time.

subtle tundra
#

No they haven't

#

That's a weird narrative

#

Raid has been assa

celest helm
#

Im a mostly m+ player lol, i didnt raid a ton in SL. But i hate outlaw more than anything in this game. So anything that makes them fall behind is good to me

midnight mist
#

why is your name yellow

subtle tundra
#

I'm also an m+ player. I barely care about raid balance

#

Even if I raid

celest helm
#

For keys and pvp outlaw was unstoppable. I suppose raid was different i cant speak on that apologies for the incorrect statement

celest helm
subtle tundra
#

For pvp it was just the shadowdust build aafter the halfway point in sl

celest helm
#

Yeah to its core design i dislike outlaw but having the ability to kidney shot off of kidney shot and have AR up the entire arena was disgusting design

subtle tundra
#

Don't get me wrong, I also hate outlaw

fallen arch
#

@gusty mirage shadowblade lol congratz

subtle tundra
#

Like in s2 of sl blizz buffed assa in aoe. 30%fok dmg, like a 1% overall increase in keys. In s3 blizzard buffed outlaw and it became meta.

fallen arch
#

Fok is such little of your overall

#

S2 was subs reign right

subtle tundra
#

No. It was edge of nights reign

outer cairn
#

I miss winds of winter lol

fallen arch
#

I dont

subtle tundra
outer cairn
#

Lol

fallen arch
#

shards were so dumb

fallen arch
#

But in M+ sub was super meta in s2 iirc

hardy dagger
#

Progging jailer as assa was the most fun i had in slpeperogue

subtle tundra
#

Out of all the takes you could have, you say winds of winter

fallen arch
#

It being in almost every mdi

subtle tundra
fallen arch
#

every mdi team *

hardy dagger
#

Sanctum gave me depression

fallen arch
#

wdym by that exactly?

subtle tundra
#

Funnel in a meta where you can pull onto every boss is extremely powerful

fallen arch
#

Oh ye true

subtle tundra
#

And it was the premium funnel

outer cairn
#

None of it matters. Looking forward to playing Sin again in DF.

fallen arch
#

I liked sin in s2 M+ a lot though

outer cairn
#

I played it S1, but I went Sub S2.

#

By the way, Happy Thanksgiving you thieves and scallywags

elfin linden
fallen arch
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What's thanksgiving

slim hamlet
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You give your thanks and stuff

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and eat birds

fallen arch
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turkey day

elfin linden
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US holiday

slim hamlet
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US has so many random holidays

outer cairn
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When you’re a Federal employee, you don’t complain about 4 day weekends every month

cold pulsar
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Hello fellow rogues, question if I may. If I have a assassination weakaura that 10.0 busted it where can I get help fixing it. Thank you in advance been a lurker since vanilla and have great respect to you all and the knowledge you share with us.

cold pulsar
# celest helm what is broken on it?

It’s a visual aid for the assassination opener( some of us Me don’t have the brain power to remember it all during fights lol I can DM you the link if you like.

celest helm
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sure dm it ill load it up and take a look

cold pulsar
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You are the best!

celest helm
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Sidenote shoutout @slim hamlet for randomly reacting to so many things lol i see the funny reacts and laugh

slim hamlet
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That's what happens when I have nothing useful to add at all, but still keep the disc on 2nd monitor 2ez

obtuse socket
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
fleet imp
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This is such a great discord exs_uwu