#assassination
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Bark bark mf
the goodest boi
Do it for me


we do offer temporary mutes during exams if you have no self control
There’s a thread 
@shadow sequoia this isn't off topic, stop treating it as such.
during exams?
Is he really a dog btw? Always wondered
Oxi orange name intimidating
true^
Dont worry i dont have exams for 2 weeks
Sry I just saw that post and I liked it
when he was green he seemed less scary
Yes man. Should see me play mage, then you’d really call me a dog
Oxi could never be scary to me
now he has the power
the only thing that changed, is you guys can't run to the blades to complain about me anymore
(:
do the Shadows respond?
Did that ever happen 
greens have had ban privs for like 2 weeks
asking for a friend
For the fuu thing right
bruh if i do whisp is just gonna make fun of me
Yeah
I’ve got to ban one bot 
why dont we have to re apply poison every attack
?
more apm
It’s long lasting
True sin main
less, its a cast
means i'd have to stop dpsing to apply poison
Want to cast poison between each gcd
cba with that cast time
I'm a rotation bot pls dont ban
factually incorrect
You need something to do while waiting for energy tho no?
Cast time buddy get woke
how many poison stabbies can your irl daggers handle before you have to put on more?
that's why i play with one hand


depends on how its poison coated, and what type of steel
steal
Nah pickpocket is gone
is it though?
damn it's getting kinda warm in here when you show off your big brain 
my IQ do be around room temp
300 degrees F?
the fck is F?
thought that was u
nah im ugly af bro wdym
true
bruh Fahrenheit is like some imaginary shit 100%
Bannable
a gift from the germans
Stfu oxi
don't make me reset your RH timer
ok, dm me your address
Check dms
hey i searched a lot but couldn't find a opener guide for aoe packs as assas (im not mention'ing prio list like maintain rapture/garrote etc.) I just need a opener like press this and this
@midnight mist imagine having slow mode on 
If you leave rogue for feral under any circumstances, you are weak and will instantly develop cancer
lulz what did they do. can’t be worse than pedo hour
i hecking love outlaw
honestly the nerf is so gentle that I'm happy. better than blade flurry getting the starfall treatment
i’m sure the nerfs were unjustified and now make the spec literally unplayable in raid.
my sarcasm is slipping
that moment you realise outlaw was unplayable in raid regardless 
the things id do to see outlaw literally deleted...
Ok correct channel this time.With the kingsbane build,if we get an ambush proc during our opener when do we press it? Considering we gotta maximize bleeds and ER for exsang and all that
I mean outlaw is only dominant in m+ atm and I'm fairly sure sin isn't too far behind
Interesting take
Varas was playing a bunch of beta keys as sin with admirable performance tbh
not seen anyone beta test sub so can't speak for it
outlaw got nerfed?
Ambush procs always replace the next mutilate cast
That makes sense,thx whispyr
Still trying to get used to this spec on beta after playing only 3 buttons entire expansion as a sub main 
i wish your rotation guide said that in detail... oh wait it does lol
Does anyone have a good cast sequence macro for exsanguinate?
Am i missing something that poison bomb is 50% chance, i thought it was 25% O.o
I gotchu.
/castsequence reset=5 Exanguinate
two point talent
/castsequence garrote, rupture, mutilate, rupture, garrote, rupture, exsang /s
Nice, thanks!
Don't use that
you jebaited him 
Don't actually use that btw, was more a comment on how exsang wants us to just cap bleeds and is dumb.
/castsequence exanguinate, death mark, vanish, echoing reprimand, kingsbane, thistle tea, shadow dance, indiscriminate carnage
Name it
All the cds
"big damage button" also acceptible
dont use cast sequence macros your dps will pay and your brain will melt. learn the spec, practice your rotation, and become a good player
Legit had a hunter in a CE guild that used a one button macro from some site.
We needed him to hold CDs for some reason (don't recall what it was) and he obviously couldn't, because 1 button macro
Got booted when that was discovered
lmao
that’s hilarious if true
did you ask him to send a screenshot of his binds?
I did not, also wasn't an officer in the guild. Just listened to the guy get reamed and wasn't in raid the next week :P
That's what I'm hoping for. One button on my hotbar that I can bind to my space bar. I can't keep up with this complicated stuff
Someone sim that and tell me it's 98% of the sim DPS please
Lol
I’m mortified that this is a legit site that has many users
makes me wonder how many of my pugs in my years of playing were using something like this
This made me blow alot of air outa my nose
He doesn’t recast bone spike
Already cursed
True, not home so can't import the build too. Would be surprised to see exsang
wouldn’t something like this completely break during phases or if you got CC’d or needed to switch targets?
No exsang
Looks like my prepatch starter build
Blindside poison bomb sbs
The point is to be lazy, not good

ill say it again so i feel better. this shit is not complicated a macro makes you a bad player who should not play the class imo. Just learn it, its simple its fun and makes you a good player
Why play a game if you don't want to play the game 
exactly
I just like to roll on the loot. It's like playing scratch off lotto tickets
Might I suggest genshin impact
every tool in the world to succeed and do well and dudes with 1 button macros end up in groups with me
And no matter what you say, I firmly believe it's ok to roll need if you need it for xmog
You’re the scum of the earth
Haha
I'm kidding
Lets not pretend that people like that get into mythic
I do every difficulty until tier
Ya, but sometimes you need to leather stack raidfinder for your tank, and still not get the piece :P
Crumbs
Lfr gamer Pog
there's people who have like issues playing normally for w/e reason. let more casual players enjoy themselves
9.1 our tank doing get legs from eye until week 8....
This change to group loot isn't gonna help. Leather is the most popular armor type by far
Imagine being on the same token as evoker too
Imagine playing the only class in the game that drops agi daggers
Oh God, seriously? I haven't even looked at that yet
Perfect, terros drops reserved ;)
Do you need to reapply bleeds before using death mark?
No, bleed refreshes duplicated as well
Ty also can you deathmark right after using ensang?
Is there a reason you couldn't?
No but I’ve read all sorts of things that had me a tad confused so just wanted to check
what am i looking at
Would recommend sticking to wowhead
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
Memeing on a one button macro
That is the talent build someone is apparently using for a one button macro with gnome sequencer
I swear the button macros are used by people who like struggle to play the games. unironically disabled people etc
Knowing the community, that is the minority of players using those
I can't imagine the appeal
you know this thing where you read the first few words and the last ones to skip the ones in the middle? i just read "gnome sequencer" and decided i dont need to read the rest
The appeal is brain off
classic exists for that 
And thank god for it
We’ve seen a drastic dip in classic Andy’s complaining about anything added in the last 10 years because of it
Good isolation from blizzard
Keep them contained in their Time Capsule
I was so naïve to believe an irl friend that vanilla etc was hard, it came out and I tried it and bruh
imagine playing classic rogue for that sweet 10 apm gameplay
Yeah it’s 2 buttons and no mechanics
Had xaryu on in the background and he was in a naxx clear, bosses were all sub 2mins and like 6k Dps...
Not the WoTLK I remember
even wotlk atm, hardest mechanic in the raid is thaddeus I guess?
The wotlk you remember didn’t have people who understood the game the same way as now
If wotlk gameplay was optimized it would’ve been just like that
iirc ulduar back in the day for 10m normal had like 3k dps req, people doing 6k+ in naxx atm
But everyone was stumbling around with no resources or guides or anything
classic made sense back when it was relased, people werent gamers
people had shit PCs and internet
^ true takes, all of em
so it made sense for a boss to have very little mechanics
freedom of information didn't exist. people didn't know optimal talents / prio list / comp or gearing
that too
Does anyone know of anyone that has videos of assa in M+ for dragon flight? I only see outlaw rogues one YouTube
Think heroic putricide was as hard as that expansion got
Now that's like 1 of 12 other mechanics in a fight
Anyone know of some streamer who does m+ as assasin on beta. i havn't seen a single vid of that so far
Outlaw got a 2% nerf to an already underperforming build, check those channels again, someone might've switched to sin
M+ isn't open on beta
Legend! Thanks
oh wow same question nice
i was curious because thats like the only spec i dont see people using
it's bad?
SL was not a good time for assassination
it was a lot more work, for at best similar damage
is it good in DF?
I hope so
look pretty good ye 
You look pretty good

Orange is a good color
IC goes a long way to getting us rolling
uwu 
i remember when oxi was one of us
And then you keep it rolling
now he orange
Outlaw enjoyer, confirmed
@blazing totem lowkey love the name of that emote
I love it so much

man's about to have a rough DF experience
is the gear from Nokhud Offensive implemented yet? noticed there were like zero pieces from it on a lot of fuu's sims
Think they just all suck
That and I assume BiS sims are just going to fill slots last 2 raid where they can.
Crafted proc items implemented in sims yet? Somewhat surprised to not see the JC proc neck or LW toxic boots.
They’re implemented but finnicky
EoD, raidbots will tell us what to Craft and what dungeon to run 59 times in the first couple weeks.
The one button macro for all things gearing ;)
it’s hard to recommend the crafted gear in general because they keep moving the numbers
Super unclear what the goal is
Should it be bis? Get beaten by mythic? By vault?
Well it depends on how timegated it is
We don’t really know that either
Not only do you need to farm the mats
how much of the crafted gear is regulated to just the craftER is the real question
0
Work orders exist
all the more to epeen flex our gold with
BS is one of the easiest to level b/c of how many open world points there is and you can guarantee 318 with 110 points.
Mettle shuffle is killed, but that is in the range for week 3, and guaranteed for week 4.
Smelting rank 3 mats is also guaranteed week 3 because inspiration procs are a thing.
Biggest time gate will Honestly be the 10 x +16 because that second week will be hell.
and by gold I mean real life wallets and tokens
!guide
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
we get one of the sparks from campaign then every two weeks for 5 sparks* then it's a rare drop, legion legendary-esque rarity
im sorry im still tryna process the computing logic behind this lol
double on-use trinkets and somehow swapping slots is a damage increase even if only a fraction lol
on another note; @strange python handsome squidward gang baby
margin of error, baby
even with a lot of iterations there’s still going to be a little bit of random variance in sim outcomes
right that's just probability in action
- margin of error
- sim uses top trinket first, ignoring if it's a stat or dmg trinket. Putting a stat trinket in first slot and dmg trinket in 2nd slot can result in better CD syncing for stats
- one trinket can gain a use in certain fight times/trinket CDs. If the stronger trinket gets a use vs a weaker trinket gets another use depends on the slot
Sim is in general quite dumb with trinkets, we don't put the effort to minmax every trinket
Some are ofc (like ashvanes razor coral)
But double onuse dmg? No
You’re conflating a margin of error for a damage increase
Sims aren’t accurate down to the single dps
Beta sims I do for example are +-40 dps
How you should be reading that screenshot is “the sim can’t tell the difference between the two slots”
Not “this is better”
makes sense; I don't know all the parameters for raidbots computing logic. just enough to operate it and sim for the results i'm looking for
Yeah just for the future, if it highlights the lines as a side grade, that means it can’t tell which is better
is the energy from rupture ticking gone??
No
Wha wha whaaaaaaat
is it generally better to not focus on highlighted sidegrades? I would assume the only time it matters is per individual encounter; like Jailer has more often movement then Sylvanas which has a lot of movement but also has way more adds. hopefully that made sense lmao
It makes no difference
If the sim can’t tell the difference, you definitely won’t
Are you underestimating assass players? The absolute pinnacle of gamers?
Yeah my bad
Haha that’s all good just don’t let it happen again
How’s the guide writing, brain fried yet?
I know the sim runs tens of thousands of fights in order to get statistically significant results and tracks all the data
But Greg with the sticky 2 key on his keyboard doing 80 pulls on a boss probably can tell
It’s been fried 
what's 9+10
21

Looks good to me
is assassination gonna be miles ahead of outlaw on boss dmg in raid we think?
according to current sims yes
Depends on how you quantify a mile
People be out here willing to drop 6% dps to not play exsang
But then call outlaw unplayable if it’s not within 3% of Assassination
whispyr, does wowhead tell you when you can update a guide from pre-patch to DF, or can you just do it whenever you want?
I Write the DF guides into their own separate guide pages, and then admin replaces the guide content on what you perceive as the Assassination guide into the new ones
mr. wowhead called whispyr into his office and said "im gonne need those dps reports by monday"
I've thought this for a while but don't think I asked, would adding CT to VW procs just be too good? I dunno if that'd just energy cap sin for dungeons but I played CT in S1 and had a lot of fun before coming back to outlaw for 3/4
what i was asking was the quite the opposite of a deadline
just wanted to ask here to make sure outlaw wasn't magically doing insane ST dmg compared to sin lol
outlaw dead spec 60% behind sin
joking aside things are still changing
outlaw just got another small nerf
Wowhead basically functions as individual guide pages and what you perceive as a “spec guide” is a button template that moves you between the individual pages. From prepatch to dragonflight, im giving a list of instructions about what page should have and a formatting template to follow in order to keep all the specs formatting coherent and consistent. I write them into new guide pages that are then taken and replace the official guides when they plug it all in and flip the switch
Deadline this time around is 11:59pm on Friday pacific time
I will deadline you
So that means wowhead guides won’t get the dragonflight switch flipped until Saturday night by the earliest
I wouldnt expect anything before Monday though
Sunday night/Monday morning
the guide is just 50 pages of "All exsang and no play make Whispyr a dull boy"
In theory I could plug them in myself before that point
But that’s neither my job, nor would it go over well for me with the higher ups :P
Once the guides are live I can just freely edit them whenever
have you surrendered to madness or are you sticking by your guns?
trying to gauge what type of guide we get 😛
Smoge
i cant wait for the fights that will break out
you should put in the wowhead guide that people should be swapping poisons mid-pack in M+
check to see if people are actually reading
Yes
i dont know if thats important to fix, but this button on the spreadsheet is a link to a dragon tempered blade sim
I'm just happy they fixed tea so it does tbh
our biggest buff going into DF
Vendetta reset too
You sure?

I thought he changed it in like bfa
When they were fucking with the gcd
i trust the person who was actually playing at the time
rather than me on the sidelines
vendetta reset in bfa
But I don’t remember off the top of my head having a moment where it was an issue during raid testing
i remember getting flamed for it
I remember thistle tea not resetting
i had a lot of p1 n'zoth wipes, never didn't have vendetta
"game kinda sucks too much rn" unsubs is the story of my wow career
probably why i never really get better at the game but also
the only thing about ny'alotha you need to remember is I got CE before Whispyr
im not paying blizz to have a bad time
I didn’t mythic raid before sanctum
Lmao

oh i was thinking of Zephyr nvm. they were on an RP realm like me trying to get CE lmao
Mythic raiding for the first time really teaches you how bad people are at wow tho tbh
so many heroic guilds could do this but a scared cos mythic gets called hard
Its hard to keep groups together that run into a wall
raiding in classic wotlk really teaches you how bad some people truly are at wow lmfao
a lot of heroic guilds don't go to mythic because half their raid team refuses and would gquit if they asked them
Is my exp
but sin rogue wotlk rotation too difficult!!!!!111!!!
man that shit so boring, and i thought envenom spamming in sod was a snooze
im likin the op FoK gameplay tho, real spicy shit
ez clap
People don't want to learn that it isn't just the gear that differentiates them from good and bad :P
actually sad i was only playing resto druid as a dumb child in that era
gamer god over here
No need to tell me, I got quickly humbled
tyty
game is 2 million years old and people still haven't learned that wow raids have like
3 hard bosses max
they will
kick your shit in
forever
but its not like NH's first 3 bosses are some impossible task
hardest boss in ny'alotha was probs n'zoth. that fight was fun for me personally, though i know a lot of people hated it.
kinda interesting a fight like N'Zoth is very personal responsibility heavy and is widely not liked but Halondrus has the same extreme "wipe if you mess up a single time" and is beloved.
Buddy, the meme machine that was tarra should have got e1 into mythic raiding
You didn't wipe on nzoth if you made an individual mistake though, it can be salvaged
On halondrus booooom
Anything after lihivium that was basically the story.
Theyre right vendetta definitely didnt reset early on in sod
im so confused
Oh you ran a Star through the adds, you fucked.
Ate a green puddle because you tunnel? Ya fucked.
Can't find the little black circle to clear in, you guessed it, fucked.
They added 2 min CDs to reset sometime in that tier
They should add Star Augur to the new raid as a secret extra fight
i miss how people felt about that one
Yeah cuz i definitely remember something not resetting but it wasnt flag because flag has never reset
So it was vendetta
Star augur is the goat
Why am I not a Shadowblade
U too cute
seems toxic towards Whispyr
whispyr the cutest
:(
also why is that discord show you joined rh on nov 2nd when you have posts from 2016
also #off-topic
Do you guys use kingsbane?
ye
Is kingsbane the best way for single target or is there something better?
are we talking lvl 70 builds?
Level 60
Okay so kb is good on 70?
only reason i dont take kb on 60 is that i would have to sacrifice so much talents
KB is strictly bis on 60
i leave the server whenever i don't play wow for a sufficient amount of time
KB and DTB are both good at 70
i am a RH oldhead
Okay thanks!
I new to rogue and i did like no dmg to lfr anduin
I really want to get into assa
dont know how accurate this still is but since the xpac is coming on monday, 2nd 3rd pin from top
Thanks!
is there anyway to sim compare legendaries for the time being; blame ocd thats why i care lmao

@subtle tundra if u reply in 2 mins i promise exsang gets deleted be4 release
lol
I was on the exsa hate bandwagon
But now that nothing makes sense and wants to sync
don't betray us
how dare you
He got muted for shitposting in the yellow channel 
at least we aren't in the CT in ST dimension right now
Hold I’m ordering coffee
@obtuse robin made u look
fuck got me

Alright I’m ready
So
The spec has always been rotation based and playing close to computer perfect
With the exception of legion PB phase
But even then you had to follow a strict pattern
That has basically gone away the spec has evolved into a faster paced (not fast though) dynamic play style
It’s easy to say whatever lights up press it but that’s not how it works
i'd say sin rotation has quite a bit of wiggle room usually
Agreed but there was always an optimal way to do things right
5head is a zoomer expression that overstates any kind of cognitive ability
There are@other things between 5head and brain dead mage press fireball till pyro
So right now in my opinion we have an opener and then we have some things we need to@maintain
And ER is the only real difference in everything already existing since it gives us access to 7p finishers
That adjusts play style
Everything else just fits in
i don't understand the point you're trying to make here
My point is that since we are more reaction based with a bit of forethought
isnt that good? i dont know whats the problem here
sure its fine but if you want different rotation pick a different class not change one people like
the problem with it is most people have completely unfun times with it
people don't like using it
Lil Timmy won’t notice if he doesn’t use exsa on a maxed out gar/rup
i bet they will be fine once they get used to it. there was literally 0 outrage about the 4p similar to exsang
Like I said, my opinion is that blizz wanted to evolve sin out of what people interpreted as boring play style. They made it more dynamic with everything you need to use
exsang isn't new tho
For better or worse they succeeded. It’s different, but not too different
The catalyst is exsanguinate
We didn’t wanna use it
So they made DM a bleed and forced it down our throats
i don't get waht you're trying to say
yeah same
there really isn't that much different between like
That there is no reason for hate on exsa
It’s an old spell but it feels like it’s new because we are forced to take it always
and people haven't liked it for years
And it’s the one thing that changed in the past how we played
Once
one expansion ago even
Maybe twice
and for a bit in legion
It was entirely stoppable
Skippable*
again
Well now it’s basically mandatory
we ran CT in single target at one time
dark times nodders
exsang has been good multiple times
same as how subterfuge for sin has been good multiple times
It has been I agree. But now it’s not just good it’s practically baseline
honestly i prefer exsang over crimsom and mark in st
Or lose 6%
you could make this argument for if people chose to not take toxic blade in bfa
its not some ground shattering thing that it was strong so people took it
scratch that
memory not good enough to remember if they shared row
i think exsang /tb was the same row
but can't exactly rmember
They did share row
then ye
people just take what's strong
and people don't enjoy exsang
people enjoyed TB tho
I don't remember exactly but there was a time in bfa where the two were in competition, I don't exactly remember when, mb crucible? bfa is a blur
I mean multiple people took the slight hit and run TB
Cause fuck exsa
But now that nothing makes sense and nothing requires syncing cds
slight...
Hello 🙂 are there any stats on how much we are behind sub / outlaw in m+? is it tremendous?
consistent tuning changes make this hard to determine currently
we fine outlaw might be little better aoe but we better ST
sin did jsut get a significant aoe buff tho
ah ok. thought there is a rough estimate
!fuu
Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz
???
i'd say -15s is significant
- makes it more enjoyable
its a buff to ease of use, doesnt deal more damage tho
i mean
it literally deals more damage wtf
That is the weirdest take I've ever seen
questionmark wut
how is a lower cd not buff dmg
i mean of that 15 can give you more casts then its defo more dmg what 
Ease produces more dmg I think what he means is that the spell itself does not deal dmg
the gcd/cp/energy difference between IC and doing it manually is astronomical lmao
It just makes it easier to spread the bleeds which makes it more dmg
that's just the most pedantic way to look at it tho lol
its not just easier
it literally gives you resources you normally wouldn't have
over a 45 second pull and 15 second traveltime to the next pack it gives you ZERO damage increase
It's a buff 
well yeah but you would definitely say a fire mage with half cd on combustion gonna do more dmg than one with normal
It also allows for more instances of rupture overlapping which gives you main stat for whatever you do atm
its all situational and not SIGNIFICANT
bro
Yeah in the perfect scenario???
xd
xd
the fucking value of exsang is also situational
okay ima head out of here
waht if the boss lives for 2 gcds
Good
those two guys are downright ridiculous
Then I still have 1 (one) sippy for the next boss
i am neither lying nor ridiculous
Told you how you were wrong, and you come with the most ridiculous take come on
got me
It’s not up to you to tell if someone stays or goes from this chat
things really go from 0 to a 100 in rogue discords eh lol
a large cd reduction is not situational lmao
delete exsang
people are just to easily triggered an on the fence, latching onto everything like rabid dogs
this discord is the worst right before major patches
and gets better a few weeks later

Leave it be it’s fine
this is like for bfa for horde there are exsang loyalists and exsang haters
well the insane posting at least seems over now

we can go back to being happy that we can reach both KB and IC
Ye that dude’s weird
Honestly cant tell if im being trolled rn
Neveg said anyone should leave
imagine coming in here 3 weeks ago and pretending to own this server
u just told me to leave
Not sure if EU cringelords or NA insomniacs
im actually somehow worse
its primetime babyee
I love wow tbh
aurhora moment
?
gottem
Huh
why does everyone hate exsang so much?
doesn't feel very good to use
Pin comment explains
So @desert shard I hope you see my point.
DTB should let use equip 4 lethal poisons
lmao
i think the devs should simply look the other way
i would prefer more if we could have dtb with kb
now ur an actual madman
if we talking broken builds that never get released
They should give sin BtE
DTB should make the dishes
DTB should take me out on a nice date
Both KB and IC is lovely, can't wait for DF
Is that Dragonriding dungeon even any fun
Seems like everyone hates it
have you not played it on beta?
never bothered with the beta
u know waht they say about assuming
Its a lot of big trash packs, with many mechanics in each that were/still are overturned. And to activate the bosses you need to kill specific packs like the shards in hoa, but this time a lot of them
i c ty
!fuu
Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz
Huh
wotlk proto drakes should be given dragon riding in DF!
all drakes might aswell be dragonridable, would finally use my timereaver
Weed
filling GCDs with SBS feels so weird
You get used to it
And with range
You know what would be nuts
If the spec tree gave that torghy power that gave you extra range with sbs, and the further u stood the bigger the dam
heya, could someone elaborate the differences between these 4 deadly poison ids to me?
2818 seems to be the default poison damage
then theres these 3, one of them should be Deathmark but usually Deathmark abilities have the deathmark tooltip (garrote and rupture do)
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=113780/deadly-poison
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=394325/deadly-poison
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=394324/deadly-poison
Poisoned weapons have a chance to deal (5.6% of Attack power) Nature damage to a target already affected by Deadly Poison. In the Uncategorized Spells category.
Poisoned weapons have a chance to deal (5.6% of Attack power) Nature damage to a target already affected by Deadly Poison. In the Uncategorized Spells category.
Coats your weapons with a Lethal Poison that lasts for 1 hour. Each strike has a 30% chance to poison the enemy for [(7.832% of Attack power) * 12 / 2] Nature damage over 12 sec. Subsequent poison applications will instantly deal (5.6% of Attack power) Nature damage.
my current assumption:
113780 = direct damage since already applied (no ticks)
394324 = deathmark (ticking damage)
394325 = already applied the dot, this is direct damage (no ticks)
but the ids for deathmark are supposed to be close together, deathmark itself is 360194, garrote is 360830, rupture is 360826 and this is over 30k apart
So are people that are complaining about exsang speaking in PvE terms? Because it’s like super necessary for PvP
It's super necesarry for pve too
this isnt a pvp channel. People who play pvp tend to play the spec that is the best regardless of how it plays/feel because they just wanna beat the oponent.
PVE people tend to want to have performance dps wise as well as a good feeling of gameplay and rotation of the spec
To be fair, increase assa damage by w/e exsang is providing, remove exsang, most of us are glad
so not that necessary
6-9% is pretty necessary no?
you are talking damage tuning, i'm talking gameplay
remove exsang and up 6-9% the damage of assa. Will you miss exsang?
If the answer is no, then its gameplay sucks
I do dig an ability that makes my bleeds go faster
I think the idea of exsang is good, but the way it affects gameplay it's not
But as much as I love exsang
, I'm willing for them to change it somewhat so that we aren't so divided
As long as we all hate on outlaw....
yep
If exsang was only used right before DM that would make it fun
but can't really tune exsang easily right?
if exsang was just a boring generic bleed empowerment button no one would bat an eye
make exang a passive talent that buffs DM in a way that adds 6-9% and be done with it


I think the best solution might be lower the impact of it
so it doesnt feel mandatory to play
for those who dont like how it works
I wouldnt mind having 2-3% less dps but enjoying more the gameplay
but a 7-9% seems too high to just pass it tbh
choice talents are the perfect solution for divisive talents like exsang tbh. they should make it a choice talent between current exsang and something else
Give flag xd
Flag > Exsang
Isn't sub the only one who has it too?
Yeap
but works with mastery
from sub tree
which is really pog
i would love flag instead of exsang
What do you mean works with mastery?
i would love many many thingsn over exsang
jokes in you, i have CTS, permanent pain is not new for me
Exsang haters taking Ls


exsang"lovers" not beeing able to say a single good thing about exsang be like:
Playing rogue came for you
tbh im just here
because you guys are amazing
but im 99.99% ninjain sub on DF
its so fun
Sin too thought but I had to roulette and sub whas the choice

It does more damage than any alternative. Get woke buddy
Exsang enjoyers eating good
snapshotting is fun c:
is sub any good? a guildie of mine is an outlaw main and he tried sub yesterday and couldnt get close to another outlaw's dps in a dungeon even while abusing legendary effects
Exsang haters just no true rogues smh
Sub is really good yes
in df*
Its prepatch
Sub sucks
Outlaw iteration with vanish leggo is stupidly strong
Play outlaw
sub prepatch poopy but doesnt matter
OwO
what changes for sub in DF? thought they only get some damage
It plays just 1 dance
and Dans eMacabre is really cool
plus Dark Brew
TB \o/
Everytime people write 1 Dance I think of the Drake song
wait you cant get 2 dances in prepatch?
ah i see
interesting. ill have to try it out in DF
the main thing about sub and rogue in general is that other classes and specs have better covenants/legendaries, which will be going away
leaving sub to lose less than basically everyone else
it's not like we get access to a huge talent or something
not that we dont get anything cool tho
the most important question though - does sub use flag in DF?
ye
amazing. i love that ability
Dark Brew is pretty huge tho
its like Finality + DB is hue
ye its p cool
and sepsis maybe
gigachad gaming
i thought i would like sepsis
but then it was just fake stealth
and i no longer cared
Certainly makes more sence in my head than SBS
Yeah indeed. On sub tree also is very far away from BR and DM so... sadgers
Stepsis stonks 
sepsis on outlaw is 2,5% behind ghostly strike according to fuu´s sheet. not the end of the world
sepsis is just another option that might be burstier, it will find its uses, maybe in pvp
how does adding on to a stealth garrote without subterfuge work
like empowered garrote and casting another normal garrote to extend duration
you will overwrite your garrote with a weaker one
which is not advised, so you refresh as late as possible or let it even run out during exsanguinate
any good elvui and weak auras for rogues assasin?
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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
in fuus sim he does empowered garrote into norm garrote opening doe maybe its just opening so he can maintain energy idk
your opener is garrote - slice - garrote, both of them are empowered
ah no he does it again after it runs out
yeah i guess the sims might show wrong talents on the general side?
i am not sure i understand your question
yeah no its clear to me ty
the sims just show the talents diff where it doesnt show subterfuge is taken
you dont? for opening stealth garrote and garroting straight after?
you don't, cause there's a garrote talent in the sin tree, called improved garrote
^that
npnp
looking like a sin raid this time around at least based on these sims
raid is not pure ST tho
based
Sin is love
There is currently a bug where you can get 4 imp garrote if you have subterfuge too
But prob not usefull in any way in st
Or well it's prob a bug, certainly doesn't seem like it should be a thing
i noticed sim is using static empowerment, is that something you'd actually run or just simbait
the pot?
the phial
pretty sure that needs to be adjusted unless you are gonna stand still for the entire duration which will result into a floor pov quite quickly 
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I haven't stood still while raiding in wow in my entire wow life lol
that's gonna be a rough one
prob wont happen so its fine
strafing or jumping?

Should I apply improved garrote to as many targets as possible in m+ even if I overcap on cp?
gotta try the wiggle
Yes
Isn't that THE pvp thing? XD
its hugging pillars
I can't play without jumping, strafing left and right while doing the rotation in PvE (because of the hundreds of pvp matches I've played)
It's an old habit now
You never jump in pvp unless to cast something while running the other way
My personal experience about myself tells me other wise xD
And you always chase or run away from something, so you don't really strafe
in other mmos that's basically mandatory so ppl can't target u as easily xD
imagine not tab
But boy oh boy I'm a 1800-2000 2s pleb
Wait so other MMO's arent tab targeting?
I do it for the mog 🤣
Gw2
they are mostly but if you're doing open world pvp with many targets around tab ain't helping your cause
dont think any new mmos are
Gw2 is super aoe based and aimed skills from what I remember in WvW
Oh yeah I guess some MMO have "skillshots" or whatever you wann call it
im thinking as a melee, i think there is some sort for ranged classes
How does amp poison work is it passive or an activated?
It stacks passively if that's what you mean
you just use it, don't need to think about it really
Yeah but does envenom consume it passively?
when you use envenom, it consumes stacks to deal bous damage
Use envenom - envenom consumes it
as is written in the tooltip
Ah okay
Pretty sure no matter how many stacks
Sounded like something u maybe activate before you envenom at 10 stacks or something
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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
Nah it stacks passively and if it’s at 10 or more, envenom consumes 10
Pog
with the amount of our poison procs it happens very often
It also does on hit damage like instant poison
http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz could we actually expect these sim numbers ish in DF?
we litearly had number changes for some specs not even 24hours ago, you cant expect anything
judging by the latest patches, it seems theyre doing fine-tuning on assa and are generally happy with how the spec performs
so i would doubt it changes much from the current numbers
ig the last few buffs have mostly to bring kingsbane in line with DTB
and not actually touching ST much
Might be accounting for the fact that a big chunk of the raid wont be ST anyway
Everyfight is ST if you are brave enough
Yep good take
This isn’t the Whispyr I know that likes Exsang lol

Nm. I read some of your reasoning lol

What do you think will be nerfed?
I dont see a nerf at all tbh. Assass is good st but isnt an st tier so we arent gonna look broken on meters
Delete exsang and assa balanced?
^
It's a solid 10% above outlaw on st
Even more if they play cheat
And outlaw has been shitting on every rogue spec for an entire expansion so i dont see the issue
Butt pirates had their time.

Im a mostly m+ player lol, i didnt raid a ton in SL. But i hate outlaw more than anything in this game. So anything that makes them fall behind is good to me
why is your name yellow
For keys and pvp outlaw was unstoppable. I suppose raid was different i cant speak on that apologies for the incorrect statement
Same as alot of rogues. Playing competitive means flowing into the meta sometimes
For pvp it was just the shadowdust build aafter the halfway point in sl
Yeah to its core design i dislike outlaw but having the ability to kidney shot off of kidney shot and have AR up the entire arena was disgusting design
Don't get me wrong, I also hate outlaw
@gusty mirage shadowblade lol congratz
Like in s2 of sl blizz buffed assa in aoe. 30%fok dmg, like a 1% overall increase in keys. In s3 blizzard buffed outlaw and it became meta.
No. It was edge of nights reign
I miss winds of winter lol
I dont
Fuck off
Lol
shards were so dumb
Yeah and it was super strong for sub
But in M+ sub was super meta in s2 iirc
Progging jailer as assa was the most fun i had in sl
Out of all the takes you could have, you say winds of winter
It being in almost every mdi
It was also the meta supporting it.
every mdi team *
Sanctum gave me depression
wdym by that exactly?
Funnel in a meta where you can pull onto every boss is extremely powerful
Oh ye true
And it was the premium funnel
None of it matters. Looking forward to playing Sin again in DF.
I liked sin in s2 M+ a lot though
I played it S1, but I went Sub S2.
By the way, Happy Thanksgiving you thieves and scallywags
Arrgh! Ahoy to that I say!
What's thanksgiving
turkey day
US holiday
US has so many random holidays
When you’re a Federal employee, you don’t complain about 4 day weekends every month
Hello fellow rogues, question if I may. If I have a assassination weakaura that 10.0 busted it where can I get help fixing it. Thank you in advance been a lurker since vanilla and have great respect to you all and the knowledge you share with us.
what is broken on it?
It’s a visual aid for the assassination opener( some of us Me don’t have the brain power to remember it all during fights lol I can DM you the link if you like.
sure dm it ill load it up and take a look
You are the best!
Sidenote shoutout @slim hamlet for randomly reacting to so many things lol i see the funny reacts and laugh
That's what happens when I have nothing useful to add at all, but still keep the disc on 2nd monitor 
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