assassination

[thorn crater]

and amp for the bosses

[nocturne current]

Yep, that was what I was going for

[subtle tundra]

Huh what hybrid can there be

If you go kb you have to go jc

Ic

Otherwise you do 0 aoe

[nocturne current]

It's on live

[subtle tundra]

Bro

It's less than a week

Left

[nocturne current]

So what, season ain't over yet

[subtle tundra]

It is actually

[thorn crater]

wait

[subtle tundra]

It's prepatch

[thorn crater]

we are talking about live?

sin could prolly be the most semi spec for live

you cant really figure out anything there and anything oyu learn you will have to add in DF

since we got our shit locked behind 3pointers

[nocturne current]

'swell. I made a Crimson/Kings/Amp hybrid.

Should be enough to push the rest.

[subtle tundra]

[thorn crater]

i mean not rly

but i see your point

well for all intents and purposes should prolly swap between amp and DP for trash and boss i think

[nocturne current]

yep yep

[ancient peak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[thorn crater]

quiet day

[balmy condor]

NA bedge

EU sleepo

[subtle tundra]

No

Am wake

[balmy condor]

the ravenholdt twilight hours

[subtle tundra]

I have to go nr2

[green harbor]

my sleep schedule is primed for monday

[subtle tundra]

Shouldn't be

[thorn crater]

calm before the monday storm

fuck 1am release i aint in my 20s anymore

gonna sleep and wake up the next day and level

[oblique wasp]

You guys going at it on Monday? I start on Thursday.....

[balmy condor]

it's supposed to be 3pm for me

[green harbor]

11pm here

[balmy condor]

but I already know I won't be able to log in before like 11:45

[subtle tundra]

No point in rushing first 2 weeks especially before first reset

[steep ridge]

00:01 am

[oak sky]

i would never bedge

[green harbor]

i'm leveling like 3 characters, ideally get m0s done on all of them

[subtle tundra]

Fucking up your sleep schedule to level faster is stupid

[thorn crater]

not sure i agree with this, there is a shit ton to do in the first two weeks if u plan on elveling professions, making gold, etc

[oak sky]

wait 3pm is the start

omg ill be done with class

[thorn crater]

if anything first 2 weeks of expo are the coolest

[oak sky]

cant wait for the server lag

[thorn crater]

everyone is at the same poitn

[steep ridge]

I got 4 weeks of holidays so who cares about sleep schedule

[green harbor]

my sleep schedule constantly moves anyway, it's no issue for me

[subtle tundra]

Well I'm gonna go slow

[oblique wasp]

I pass on first three days to let the rushers go and then have nice steady leveling in new zones

[subtle tundra]

I don't like burning out before real content is out

[oak sky]

i have nothing to do on the thursday of the release

so ill probably be grinding that day

[green harbor]

i haven't chosen a main yet, so i'm leveling my top 3

[subtle tundra]

I have Wednesday through Sunday free cause some national holidays lmao

[balmy condor]

y'all thinking addons gonna break?

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-heavy-maybe-sniff-well-see-gif-16650546

[oblique wasp]

1000% at least i dont use many of them

[vernal adder]

they been fine most of the time iirc

[night delta]

I was stoked, Bartender finally fixed their dropdown bars bug

guess it's going away again come launch day

[balmy condor]

I am off the elvui juice

no more!

[torpid hinge]

my optimistic take is that the API changes are already in teh game w/ prepatch and nothing breaks 🙂

[oblique wasp]

I am still sad for bartender4

[balmy condor]

I am weakaura default UI gaming

[vernal adder]

oh you too

[balmy condor]

my minds eye opens

[thorn crater]

ye ofc

just need to find the right WA

[fallen arch]

Ye its refreshing to play with the new ui

[oblique wasp]

I never used elvui or similar in 16 years of wow

[fallen arch]

I didnt like elvui but it was better than default

[green harbor]

i didn't like how elvui made everything black

[night delta]

I've been rolling with pitbull for a while now, I think it's pretty good

[vernal adder]

I dont even see my actionbars most of the time with mouseoveractionbars

[thorn crater]

i didnt like how elvui made my pc 100 celcius

[balmy condor]

homie that is a dog

[oblique wasp]

Maybe its me but these large scale ui seemed like chaos to me

Always had wow set up like i have my car - rogue speedometers (WA) in the middle and navigation upper right corner

[green harbor]

i still don't use weakauras (the non-specific ones)

[fallen arch]

I feel not using WA’s is just trolling

[sweet pulsar]

Does anyone have a video of someone showing the st rotation at lvl 70 ? To see what it looks/feels like

[green harbor]

i think weak aura packages are pointless

[fallen arch]

Explain

[green harbor]

weak auras for boss mechanics etc, i will use though

[fallen arch]

Because with the default ui it’s kinda impossible to keep track of everything

It became better with the new ui

[oblique wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[night delta]

heavily dependent on spec

example : frost mage barely needs any tracking

[oak sky]

@balmy condor tbh i thought kingsbane was gonna be boring but having a 3-4 button cd sequence is decent

[fallen arch]

Oh yes, but with a spec like sin. It's very very helpful

[green harbor]

every specs' important abilities fit on 2 action bars, that's all you need to see

[fallen arch]

Weakauras don't only track abilities

But you do you

[night delta]

buffs, debuffs, procs, special conditions

yeah for some specs that's very useful

[green harbor]

yeah, if anything like that is deemed important enough i have a weakaura for it. But an entire package? no

[oblique wasp]

I would say the WA also speed up your reaction time since you have all important in one place and dont waste time on eyeing whole screen

[torpid hinge]

WA packages typically try to only include important things

[fallen arch]

I would say that using a pack in which you can track everything in a fixed position on your screen significantly improves your gameplay. But again, you do you

[night delta]

Debatably so, I've used a bit of Afenar's and they often go overboard

[vernal adder]

afenar seems fine to me

[thorn crater]

wait

how are u tracking bleeds and cds then

[rapid bear]

Im switching from WW monk to assa rogue for arenas. First thing that I noticed that I really need a WA to track stuff

[thorn crater]

i feel like sin is a spec that NEEDS wa

[night delta]

bleeds -> enemy plates / enemy portrait
CDs -> action bars

[thorn crater]

if by some miracle ure ok with ST sure

and how do u track the empowered stuff

[rapid bear]

For WW all i had was Keefers debuff at regular debuffs. Assa needs definetly (atleast for me) a WA

[night delta]

imo this is barely a necessity

[desert shard]

the whole point of package weakauras is so that u don't look at ur action bars. the less you need to move your eyes away from your character the better is the point

[night delta]

just gotta remind myself that last time I hit gar it was empowered, and let it fall off

not that much of a brainspace

[thorn crater]

sounds like troll

[crisp cipher]

It's actually the opposite - you get lazy since you're only looking at the middle of your screen

[thorn crater]

but hey you do you 😛

[green harbor]

but a weakaura package would only be slightly above my action bar, why bother

[night delta]

As a mostly clicker, my guildmates were impressed at how fast I take in visual info

[green harbor]

i used to be a clicker, i used to swear by it too - but it really is better to keybind

[oblique wasp]

Me personally, it's the opposite .... I need to get tunnel vision as my speed increases ... When im on my collection alts, i dont have WA and i get headache .... But thats maybe cause im weird or smth

[thorn crater]

uhm question

[night delta]

it sure is, until you have an impairment like me

[thorn crater]

how do u move while clicking buttons with mouse

[torpid hinge]

you move w mouse?

[desert shard]

he means turning camera and shit probably

[torpid hinge]

ah

[night delta]

WASD + strafe + holdmouse between gcds

[thorn crater]

I SEE

caps sorry

[night delta]

(no I don't miss gcds, or barely)

[balmy condor]

I perma hold down right click

it makes my hand hurty

[desert shard]

same tbh

[thorn crater]

same

[oblique wasp]

I move with wasd and mouse at the same time

[night delta]

Fun fact, it's by trying keybinds that I learned I have an left-hand coordination impairment

[balmy condor]

wasd mouse movers

🐭

[thorn crater]

you mean you dont use arrows?

but they ahve arrows on them

showing you where to go

[balmy condor]

arrows are exclusively used for maplestory

[oblique wasp]

Whats wrong with w + precision on mouse?

[fallen arch]

dont we all

[crisp cipher]

Have you tried keybinding on a mouse like razer naga?

might help

[balmy condor]

it's either this or FaQ take your pic

video good choice

[night delta]

Yeah I have a mouse with keybinds on the side

which helps

but I mostly still need clicking a lot

[fallen arch]

Clicker alert

[night delta]

I reserve the mouse buttons for emergency abilities

[fallen arch]

Fun fact, one of the best players I encountered in Shadowlands was a clicker

[night delta]

kicks, defensives, the works

[fallen arch]

She shared her screen to our group at some point and we were like

[crisp cipher]

explain "best"

[fallen arch]

[desert shard]

I don't know anything about coordination impairment, but would a modifier like alt + mouse keybind or similar be an option or is that out of the question?

[fallen arch]

She was our healer with which we pushed to around +23s/24s in S2

[night delta]

Tbf, in pve, a clicker can easily get 90% of the mileage a keybinder does

though ofc it's a bar from pvp

[oblique wasp]

She outclicked you all

[night delta]

well "easily"... at least it's manageable

[fallen arch]

She had the weirdest UI ever. Maybe it helps that she has like IQ 160+

[balmy condor]

enable mouse click-through, cookie clicker during m+ keys

double gaming

what a chad

[fallen arch]

What's the lady equivalent of a chad

[balmy condor]

Ched

[fallen arch]

Girlchad

[oblique wasp]

Chadette?

[fallen arch]

Ched?

[balmy condor]

Chud

Chudie

[desert shard]

LOL

[vernal adder]

[balmy condor]

we're entering "words that could be a slur" territory

[oblique wasp]

Im pretty sure this abbreviation is taken .....

[balmy condor]

[fallen arch]

Yeah let's prevent slow mode

[sonic schooner]

[night delta]

Perk of clicking : most of my WAs are literally overlays to my buttons

lots more screen space

[oblique wasp]

I dont know why anyone here would feel the need to attack other fellow rogues .... Like we all sit in front of screen all the time playing wow so what

[fallen arch]

Who is?

Nobody is attacking no one

[oblique wasp]

I mean in general

[worldly sail]

i do this without clicking

[oblique wasp]

Like yesterday

[worldly sail]

wa’s just as timers on top of action bars

[desert shard]

let's not remind ourselves of yesterday

[oblique wasp]

That strange dude who started bashing Whispyr out of nowhere and totally broke the vibe

[desert shard]

yesterday was a different time, a different age,a different dimension

[thorn crater]

lets not bring that up again

there is literally no reason

[oblique wasp]

Yeah

Sorry

[balmy condor]

great idea

[vernal adder]

heck this Sangreal guy

[fallen arch]

someone was bashing Whisp?

How'd that happen

I feel like if anyone ever did that here

[arctic hare]

Hmm, if taking Blindside, is it possible to make a macro that if it procs, it'll automatically change mutilate to ambush???

[fallen arch]

Like, 300 people would be on that guy instantly

[night delta]

not without add-on iirc

[arctic hare]

Dang

[night delta]

and even then it's jank

[arctic hare]

I figured, would be cool as hell tho

[midnight atlas]

No, sorry

[royal lantern]

First thing i read this morning btw

slowmode #3 inc?

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

this should still work

but yeah

[arctic hare]

Ahh, okay

[balmy condor]

it's giga shit

[arctic hare]

If only normal macros could work the way we wished it to

[balmy condor]

then people would make one button macros

and the game would be awful

[arctic hare]

Finally got back into Sin tonight in M+, had a blast with indiscriminate carnage, and yeah, I guess thats true

[oak sky]

[subtle tundra]

any q e camera rotaters

[vernal adder]

I have stealth on shift+w, works good

[oak sky]

no

[desert shard]

vile

[fallen arch]

cursed

[oak sky]

no camera rotation bind

[arctic hare]

God no

[midnight atlas]

If they add something like /cast [state:Blindside] ambush that would be dope for procs

[arctic hare]

I am this lol

It is effective

[fallen arch]

for what abilities

[vernal adder]

what button do you people have stealth on?

[crisp cipher]

QWE + mouse

[arctic hare]

My stealth button is Z, with Vanish on Shift Z

[worldly sail]

X

[fallen arch]

Z

[subtle tundra]

y'all be mad at me qe rotations and then click sprint

[balmy condor]

`

[night delta]

One button rotations, here we go

[oak sky]

i dont like talking about it

[arctic hare]

whoa, tilde, weiiiiiiird lol

[flint siren]

Q, with macro to make it vanish in combat

[balmy condor]

lil sneaky tilde action

[vernal adder]

okay you click it

[crisp cipher]

macroed on each ability so that if I'm ever out of combat I go stealth instead B)

[oak sky]

worse

[fallen arch]

He never uses stealth

[vernal adder]

wut da heeel

[subtle tundra]

FUCK

[oak sky]

worse

[arctic hare]

Its funny, I never thought of actually using tilde as a keybind, hmmmmmmm, tempting.

[subtle tundra]

??????????

[balmy condor]

I also highly recommend shift space-bar

[oak sky]

tilde is push to talk

[arctic hare]

oh god why

[vernal adder]

for?

[balmy condor]

it's very easy to hit

[arctic hare]

why would you do that to yourself lol

[worldly sail]

tilde is mount button

[balmy condor]

I use control spacebar too

[arctic hare]

Jumping, its a must, its a 10% dps increase lol

[balmy condor]

very effecitve

[fallen arch]

tilde = shadowmeld

[subtle tundra]

i hate discord

[arctic hare]

Hmm, why not shift tilde or control tilde

[flint siren]

tilde is interrupts

[worldly sail]

i use this bind to toggle mute in discord

[vernal adder]

F1 for fav mounts and F2 for yak

[arctic hare]

wow, my hands are weird lol

[oblique wasp]

But what if im shouting in wow at someone and jump around - i would disappear

[balmy condor]

oh shit'

[arctic hare]

What?

[balmy condor]

that's actually a good idea

fuck

[arctic hare]

hahahaha

[flint siren]

???

[arctic hare]

had the random idea of shift ` (tilde) or control tilde, I'm surprised whispyr didn't think about that

[flint siren]

People not having a set of x keybinds then copying them to the three mods for the other 3 actionbars is always wild to me

[oblique wasp]

Shift tilde for main cooldown, ctrl tile for second main cooldown if necessary for me

[arctic hare]

Wh ew

[balmy condor]

my dyslexic ass did not just read that as sext keybinds

[vernal adder]

but how do I sheath weapons then?

[flint siren]

That's for the (e)rp macro bar

[oblique wasp]

You dont, you always grinding #sigma rogue

[arctic hare]

I've got q, e, r, t, f, g, z, x, shift all of those, 1-6, control and shift 1-6, alt control 1,

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

period, the button period.

[vernal adder]

tbf im prolly gonna bind z, I just havent yet

[nocturne current]

Why do people suck so much in the last boss of Grimrail... Like, all you have to do is dodge a spear.

[arctic hare]

You'd, be surprised...

[nocturne current]

I don't get this.

[arctic hare]

I get it, ooooh, prettay light, lets see what it does lol

[oblique wasp]

Maybe they suck in general ....

[subtle tundra]

cause its shit dungeon design

with bad visuals

[arctic hare]

it is a terrible dungeon, I must admit

[subtle tundra]

reason 900 why i didnt play s4

[arctic hare]

But! However comma, Kara is soooooooo much worse

[nocturne current]

The camera angle sucks balls but still. It's 1 ability, even Super Mario Bros. NES is harder.

[vernal adder]

I havent done a single m+ in s4

[subtle tundra]

good

i wish i did the same

[arctic hare]

same lol

[subtle tundra]

but i guess i did get 2 months of game time from that

[oblique wasp]

I think everyone took it easy in S4

[nocturne current]

But I get mad at the people, not the dungeon, the dungeon's fine. Just people suck ballz.

[subtle tundra]

the dungeon is not fine

[oblique wasp]

Something worse ... They suck at WoW

[honest vessel]

the dungeon breaks with like 1/2 of the affixes

you cant tell me sanguine, storming, spiteful are okay

love restricting movement to 2 dimensions

[subtle tundra]

both karas, iron docks and grimrail are actual menaces to dungeon design

[arctic hare]

Agreed

[spare crow]

You're telling me

the fucking

effects on lower kara

aren't?

holy moly

[honest vessel]

kara has very rough edges

[night delta]

Don't forget having to LoS heals aswell

[honest vessel]

omg tru

whats so bad on lower?

[spare crow]

good lord rugs hiding frontals/sleep puddles and shit

[arctic hare]

Don't you guys just love when in the chess room when playing a caster alt being LoSed by a FUCKING CRACK!?

[subtle tundra]

a marathon of a dungeon

[honest vessel]

yeah the rugs are super dumb

[spare crow]

and midnight's rush attack hitbox effect being NONEXISTENT

[honest vessel]

horse charges i'll agree with you

mezair is obvious as hell tho

[spare crow]

yes if the tank moves out of it

[arctic hare]

Yeah, there are a TON of problems with both lower and upper kara

[spare crow]

but if you gotta dodge it

[nocturne current]

Gotta love it when they pull the Elemental in lower to the stairs downstairs to the Horseman and the AoE spell effect gets eaten in half by the stairs because the game engine doesn't handle diagonal spell effects.

[spare crow]

gl seeing the hitbox effect

it's just not there

XD

[arctic hare]

annnnnnnd thats why we have 3 extra yards of range now ahahahaha

[spare crow]

(yes that dungeon tilts me)

[subtle tundra]

ah, he went on his horse and spawned on me
nice!

im dead!

[spare crow]

^^^

TRUE

[honest vessel]

tru

[arctic hare]

Lol, had to edit 3 times

I can relate.

[honest vessel]

hmm i wonder why i dont get upset the same way as i do in gd

i dont mind lower nearly as much

but you're right about these things

[spare crow]

Idk gd is "bearable" unless there's some shit affixes like sanguine/storming etc

[arctic hare]

Maybe its just our own personal experiences in those respective dungeons.

[spare crow]

but with those?

GOD NO

[nocturne current]

Man.

[honest vessel]

sanguine gd is terrible man

[night delta]

What upset me the most in kara were the kitchen drawer's forks

[honest vessel]

actual garbage

[spare crow]

YE

actual garbage

[arctic hare]

huh?

[spare crow]

As outlaw these are just meter farms

[subtle tundra]

well, good news is that the df s1 old dungeons are pretty good

[arctic hare]

Kitchen drawer's forks???????

[honest vessel]

nerfed the shit outta those tho right

[arctic hare]

I'm so confused, what are those exactly?

[honest vessel]

assuming you mean first boss forks

[nocturne current]

Affixes in GD are like godsend super nice tier compared to wasting 25 minutes in the dungeon just to have the hunter or the resto shaman one-shotted by the first spear.

[spare crow]

in one of the theatre bosses an add spawns these forks

that do a shitton of damage so u gotta burst them

[arctic hare]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, that

[night delta]

Forks Spawn, instantly turn towards you

[honest vessel]

just kill it without them, it's a mechanics fight

[night delta]

[arctic hare]

sorry, I've done VERY few lowers

[honest vessel]

dont need their damage lol

[vernal adder]

wish it was just new dungeons in m+, but I get people havent done the older ones

[honest vessel]

they nerfed their damage by like 70%

[spare crow]

Oh

what a surprise, me too

[arctic hare]

Fuck, that lol

[oblique wasp]

I miss theatre of pain in m+

[spare crow]

imagine having full +24 done

except lower

i just hate that shit

[honest vessel]

i do love routing kara

[arctic hare]

I, yep, haven't done higher than a 21, which was a double chested streets cause yes lol

[slim hamlet]

can't wait for the new wod and panda dung to be just as messy

[arctic hare]

I've heard shadowmoon dungeon thingy wasn't too shabby

[spare crow]

Oh and I also hate Upper karazhan with affixes

[oblique wasp]

Current ones should be fine tho

[oak sky]

i think the camera gets sus in temple

[honest vessel]

s4 has a fraction of a fraction of a fraction as many people and time going into it as those dungeons will

[spare crow]

Hvae u guys ever tried killing medivh with storming?

[honest vessel]

the new ones have already received a bunch of changes

[oak sky]

they remade wise mari

[arctic hare]

the fact that the add before the chessboard has the ability to instantly kill you with a single ability is total bullshit.

[slim hamlet]

yeah in scaling it's very easy

[spare crow]

"oh i got the fire debuff circle ill just stay pu-"
storming: NO

[night delta]

Lemmeguess

[spare crow]

wipe

[slim hamlet]

but talking about the weird behaviour many dungs such as kara has

[arctic hare]

Wait, storming can trigger that shit? what the hellllllllllllll

[subtle tundra]

i hate the seasons where survivability is so important
like playing in tgp cheat death/ tank trinkets on dps in the highest keys possible is actual cancer design

[night delta]

Fire ring + tornado hit = dead

[oblique wasp]

Cloak of Shadows

[spare crow]

YES

[arctic hare]

my group got REALLY lucky with that

[spare crow]

yes as rogue

what if you are not a rogue

;DDDDDDDD

[nocturne current]

People outside of circle have to eat the winds

[oblique wasp]

I dont know never been a not rogue

[arctic hare]

lol

[spare crow]

i failed so many uppers 1 week

cause that fucking affix

with medivh

was just insane

we had to bruteforce until he never did the fire circles the whole fight

rng

:D

[nocturne current]

I mean Tyrannical Medivh is no joke, the dude's jacked up.

[ebon notch]

get the tank to soak it

[night delta]

Rng dependent bosses

[ebon notch]

also if you pre soak the tornadoes before the fire ring

[night delta]

chef's kiss

[ebon notch]

you wont get any during

the only time tornadoes spawn during flame wreath is before

so you soak them and then you dont get any

[oblique wasp]

We can safely says, that kara was createf when almost every reduction was flat percentage, not calculation like nowadays .... Legion we were muuuch more durable

[nocturne current]

Upper is, your healer is a god, or gg.

[thorn crater]

f1

[spare crow]

4

[ebon notch]

F for fthealth

[subtle tundra]

upper bosses are dogshit

[spare crow]

I like the first one

i think it's cool design

[subtle tundra]

except if youre melee youre fucked

[nocturne current]

How tho.

[spare crow]

true, i guess

it can be harder as melee

[subtle tundra]

cause you take more dmg

[nocturne current]

From what?

[spare crow]

never had issues with it as sub but other classes i can see

[subtle tundra]

dont the sparks do aoe around it

[nocturne current]

You can max range the AoE from the lightshit

Except if they charge then that one has no escape

But rogue can max range the explosion thing

(w/ talent)

[subtle tundra]

rogue, as in outlaw?

cause in s4 there was no additional range

for assa and sub

[nocturne current]

yeah, before no way

[subtle tundra]

and we dont count prepatch

we're not talking about df talents

[nocturne current]

dunno why u dont count prepatch

[subtle tundra]

cause

its not when it was the relevant content

[nocturne current]

content's always relevant, thats why it has prefix pre-

[subtle tundra]

then i dont want to have a conversation with you

[royal lantern]

.....in what shape or Form is a prepatch relevant

[nocturne current]

in any shape, its still shadowlands

it isnt DF

[royal lantern]

when you get reworked classes that are balanced around lvl70

[oblique wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/death-minecraft-free-fall-video-game-gif-17783385

[royal lantern]

and you are 60

[nocturne current]

And so what. Class changes all expansion

[royal lantern]

litearlly have the DF loading screen

[nocturne current]

DF loading screen <> DF

[subtle tundra]

[royal lantern]

allright, i agree with varas, not wasting time on such a brainfart

[oblique wasp]

Alright bois, slow mode encroaching ... Was nice to hear you for a while .....

[nocturne current]

Saying the prepatch is irrelavant is the brainfart lol

You dont play, its ur choice

[subtle tundra]

you can play but you have to accept its not relevant

absolutely not a single person cares

and if you do, im so so so sorry

[nocturne current]

It's as relevant as the any other patch, that introduced some bullshit in the patch

[arctic hare]

Oh shit, I just realized, does Exsanguinate work with AOE?

[subtle tundra]

yea youre cooked

[subtle tundra]

no

[arctic hare]

awwwww, twas hoping

would've been way too strong though, but also would've been interesting to see what it would have done to our burst profile.

[fallen arch]

It would have been game breaking

The burst would be too big

[fallen arch]

There's literally overlapping covenant stuff and talents that they don't fix / remove because it's prepatch and nobody cares. How are we even discussing this

[nocturne current]

Theres nothing to discuss lol

There's thousands of people playing and pushing

[fallen arch]

You're trying to argue this stuff is relevant

They're trying out stuff waiting for DF

[nocturne current]

It is relevant, it's the only time people are pushing +37

Nobody gives a shit about beta simulacrums

[fallen arch]

But there is no moment in time shit is as imbalanced as in prepatch

Yeah it's memeing pushing to high keys on broken specs

[nocturne current]

It's not memeing, it's normal gameplay.

[kind forge]

[nocturne current]

You call it memeing, but nobody cares.

[fallen arch]

.

[nocturne current]

Go push 30's then.

[fallen arch]

I'm not even going to react to that

Disclaimer: Optimized Pre-patch sims are non-existent and will not exist. The suggestions are not min-maxed. If you're looking for the most min-maxed pre-patch builds available, go to your bathroom and take a long look in the mirror in order to reflect on the choices you've made in your life that brought you to this point.

[nocturne current]

The runs ain't about sims, it's about finishing the key and score.

You finish or you don't.

[meager granite]

50% chance right?

Either you time or you don't

Keys proved to be luck based thanks

[nocturne current]

Ain't the sim bot pushing your keyboard and executing.

Idc if you're einstein if you can't move the character ingame.

[meager granite]

Sims are Sims its always to take with a grain of salt and context

Like any statistics

[meager granite]

So you mean that if you have BIS gear character and set up, put your cat or dog in you chair you aint gonna do the raidbot dps?

[fallen arch]

That was not what this was about. It was about arguing whether prepatch is relevant content or not

Game is never as broken as it is during this time

[meager granite]

Oh i saw that, also i wanna have the same drugs he takes to have those kind of takes

[twilit hollow]

WDYM prepatch io is super relevant, its hyper competitive and in no way broken with game systems from 2 seperate expansions half implemented

[fallen arch]

Which partly is the reason people are even able to go into +37s

[kind forge]

but atleast he can pug in DF saying he's done +37s in prepatch, right ?

[nocturne current]

Every patch is broken and half-ass baked, hell, some affixes don't even work properly until a whole patch later.

[twilit hollow]

if you think prepatch is on the same tier of broken as the game usually you are on some good shit that i want

[nocturne current]

The content is there, you have fingers, or you don't.

[twilit hollow]

doesnt mean its relevant content

[meager granite]

You are delusional. Blizzard is trying to balance new talents system at full build aka max level for next expac. You are missing 10 talent points, trying to talk about balance at lvl 60 is irrelevant whether you engage with content or not.

[nocturne current]

To you.

[crisp cipher]

Giga troll lmao

[twilit hollow]

yeah this is mega jebait

[meager granite]

he is the master troller or the master dumb

not sure

[timid cloud]

[storm rapids]

[timid cloud]

1/10 for even making me reply.

[nocturne current]

You can say it's not relevant.

When you have the skill to push +35

[meager granite]

Watch me: it's not relevant

[nocturne current]

Skill.

[crisp cipher]

Doubling down I see

[crisp cipher]

Thing is tho... no body cares

[timid cloud]

When about 10 people tell you that you’re wrong, statistically, you might be wrong.

[midnight mist]

Delete outlaw

[fallen arch]

yes

[junior rampart]

^^

[fallen arch]

Also delete exsang

[timid cloud]

This has gone past a cooked take, & is now in fact a FRIED take.

[timid cloud]

^^

[crisp cipher]

[meager granite]

That is something which is relevant, not matter patch or prepatch 🙂

[fallen arch]

Back to topic

[strange python]

U wot m8

[terse otter]

haha just went to some tier list video

[strange python]

Saying relevant or not at all

[fallen arch]

How many more buttons we need as opposed to Shadowlands

[timid cloud]

Tier lists….

[terse otter]

assa worst spec for m+ and doing less dmg than =healer right now 😄

[timid cloud]

[terse otter]

hahaha good boy 😄

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

Go to somewhere lake and bait some

[terse otter]

and ppl like those gets tousands views in 24h and ppl believe in this. Thats sad

[subtle tundra]

its not relevant

[nocturne current]

It's easy to hide in Beta when you peak and have no fingers to push forward and then say content is broken or irrelevant.

[timid cloud]

Yeah, just add a Reddit Face.

[strange python]

XDD

XD

[twilit hollow]

🧌

[strange python]

No fingers

[crisp cipher]

[fallen arch]

Yeah all players are hiding in beta because they lack skill to push over 35s.

Thats a hot take

[subtle tundra]

do you push +35 to know if prepatch is relevant?

[strange python]

XD,i cant help but dying of laughing

[oak sky]

they literally call it post season

aka

after the season

[subtle tundra]

no

dont ruin the fucking narrative

you ruin his story

[oak sky]

oh mbmb

it matters

a hodgepodge of expansion features is very relevant and important

[subtle tundra]

he is probably doing 23s in prepatch and thinks is something impressive

[oak sky]

they give out titles in prepatch for m+

[twilit hollow]

WDYm it is impressive

[oak sky]

a shame you missed it

[twilit hollow]

23s in prepatch is AT LEAST on par with +30s on beta

[subtle tundra]

tbf i didnt do 20s on beta so i must be bad

[desert shard]

What is happening 2 days in a row the channel is a shitshow is it the weather change or something?

[oak sky]

the more people are here the worse it is

[oak sky]

tbh i think everyone is struggling with 20s

[timid cloud]

What’d I miss???

[night delta]

Cloudy with a chance of cooked takes

[desert shard]

cooked more like burnt

[oak sky]

this channel is only good when the spec is unpopular

[fallen arch]

Prepatch, game fried, people fried

[twilit hollow]

"cooked" brother this is burnt to ash over an industrial wok burner

[oak sky]

real ones know

[storm rapids]

i miss everyone talking about exsang

[fallen arch]

exang doesnt exist

Realz said it first

[desert shard]

someone @ whisp with an exsang question quick

[subtle tundra]

20s first week will be quite easy looking at beta though
the old dungeons are so easy and the beta gear is quite bad ilvl wise

[fallen arch]

We need to try to forget it

[oak sky]

i was gonna say the beta ilvl is pretty gimped

[night delta]

Still waiting on that blue shell

[oak sky]

who knows what that 10.0.5 encrypted build will hold

[night delta]

Max lvl storylines mostly imo

If we are to believe Ion's last interview

[oak sky]

10.0.5 is a few months in

[night delta]

Oh

[oak sky]

i would assume

[night delta]

Well then idk

[oak sky]

since 9.0.5 was also a few months in

[slim hamlet]

hope this is bait

[fallen arch]

9.0.5. is remembered dearly

It made Sin good

[oak sky]

its bait

[subtle tundra]

we were memeing

[twilit hollow]

its sarcasm agreement with the man cooked of brain

[oak sky]

a 30 on beta makes you spontaneously combust

[strange python]

WRONG

its actually

23 s in pre patch is at least on par with +46s on beta

[night delta]

Raszageth storm happens, everyone dies

The End

[twilit hollow]

yaya true true

we just wish we were as gigachad as him able to push such high keys with the highly optimized prepatch enviroment

[night delta]

Truly the relevantest of content

[storm rapids]

and not showing the runs

[timid cloud]

Truly doing insanely PRESSING content.

[nocturne current]

Yh bro, I'm sure elmoi and krayzie are going to have hard time in DF when it comes out

[twilit hollow]

[subtle tundra]

they kinda will

they are chinese, arent chinese servers going down?

soon?

unluck

[night delta]

Oof

[royal lantern]

you mean CUMBOOOOOOST

[royal lantern]

can still play df

[night delta]

Fire mage confirmed op in+30s

100% combustion uptime

[meager granite]

Does it really matter, whether its 23 or 46, either you time it or you don't. its a 50/50

[storm rapids]

[hoary remnant]

No it's beta everything is new for everyone. This makes dungeons already more difficult. Tuning wise beta is like currently 7-10 keys more difficult then live. So a 24 on live is like a 15ish on beta. Also it will come down, because of player knowledge, over time to 5.5-8 key levels. So with the knowledge a current 20 key is something like a 14/15 on beta.

People tend to overrate how difficult stuff is when it is knew. There are plenty of examples of that in wow. Best one is introducing a new dungeon in a .1 or .2 patch. Everyone will suck at it

[subtle tundra]

It was jokes

[hoary remnant]

That was not clear

[subtle tundra]

It was when he said a +46 key

I don't think mentioning a 46 can be taken seriously

[fallen arch]

In prepatch it can

[subtle tundra]

Nah, exponential scaling and all of that

[fallen arch]

I know, I was kidding

[subtle tundra]

[simple gulch]

Yo

[subtle tundra]

Hi

[simple gulch]

What’s up

I was wondering if our st is good in aoe build

[subtle tundra]

Gym 🤯

[simple gulch]

Like with indiscriminate carnage

[subtle tundra]

It is

[simple gulch]

Good

[subtle tundra]

Assa looks solid in m+

[simple gulch]

I played sin in beta 2 days ago and my st wasn’t that good but I played my own build

Without kingsbane

[subtle tundra]

Yea you need kb exsang

[simple gulch]

And it looks like I played a lot of wrong talents

[subtle tundra]

And can also go tea for a little trade-off

More st

[simple gulch]

Are those 2 entirely st?

There’s nothing in aoe?

[subtle tundra]

You still use them in aoe

[simple gulch]

I know

[subtle tundra]

There's nothing better

And you need exsang for iron wire

[simple gulch]

Deathmark also st I assume

So deathmark is vendetta?

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[subtle kiln]

welcome to a ST spec that has more than serviceable aoe now

[simple gulch]

Is deathmark better?

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[subtle kiln]

yes

[simple gulch]

Cool

Discriminate carnage is bis tbh

It was so fun

Crimson tempest also does pretty good damage

Iron wire works with indiscriminate?

That’s bonkers

[subtle tundra]

It is

[simple gulch]

I feel like that’s a bit too strong xd

[subtle tundra]

No...

Nah.

It's ok

We don't mind

[honest vessel]

tru

[vestal wren]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[simple gulch]

Do we’re not taking master assassin?

[subtle tundra]

It's bad

[simple gulch]

Damn

Seems fine

But makes sense

[subtle tundra]

Well you garrote when you come out of stealth

[simple gulch]

Garrote is pretty strong

Especially on 8 targets

[subtle tundra]

As it should

[simple gulch]

That’s 30% crit for 3 seconds on these targets

I guess that’s a bit low

[subtle tundra]

That's not much

[simple gulch]

Remember when it was 100% crit for 5 seconds

[subtle tundra]

It made crit as a stat quite bas

Bad

[simple gulch]

Would have been too much for one talent point

[simple gulch]

Good point

[subtle tundra]

Well exsang is really strong rn and it doesn't seem like it's getting touched

[strange python]

is there difference between feral and ass rogue

[subtle tundra]

It's a 7% dps point

Yes, one is cooler and the other is cat

[honest vessel]

snapshotting is the biggest one

[stuck knoll]

Cat ears and a tail

[oak sky]

How energy is generated and a bazillion passives and abilities

[simple gulch]

Why is improved poisons and fatal concoction not taken?

[oak sky]

Bad

[subtle tundra]

Poisons aren't strong

[simple gulch]

I noticed how weak poisons are rn

They used to be insane in legion

F

[oak sky]

Poisons are ~5% maybe

• extra effects

So maybe 10

[simple gulch]

Spec should be about poisons

[honest vessel]

without them wed have no energy

[simple gulch]

[honest vessel]

so they are a big deal

just dont show up on meters

[oak sky]

Poisons are kinda passive damage

[simple gulch]

Fair

[strange python]

hmmm lke

like?

[oak sky]

So i'm cool with them not dominating

[subtle tundra]

You only take them with dtb

[oak sky]

Venomous wounds vs tigers fury

[simple gulch]

What’s dtb

[subtle tundra]

Capstone

[oak sky]

Double poison

[simple gulch]

Is poison bomb good?

Oh okay

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[oak sky]

Not legion good though

Thankfully

[simple gulch]

Legion poison bomb

Too much damage for rng

What was blizzard thinking

[oak sky]

Its 50% chance now

[simple gulch]

What was it in legion?

[oak sky]

No idea

Probably 10

[honest vessel]

like 20 or somethign

[oak sky]

And its also a lower % of our damage

Compared to legion

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[normal mist]

What was the buff to IC? Haven't been aware of changes (nor playing the game really xD)

The cd change in this case

[simple gulch]

Yeah, legion poison bomb was way too much anyway

What’s IC? I’m new here

[honest vessel]

Indiscriminate Carnage

the buff was 1min -> 45 sec

[simple gulch]

I suck with abbreviations

[honest vessel]

all g homie

[simple gulch]

Such a great buff

[honest vessel]

it's a bit problematic

whispyr had a great point about how you IC a rupture on everything

and it lasts 32 seconds

so you have a whole 13 seconds of multidotting

and then it's up again

kinda squashes that gameplay a bit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

definitely strong tho

[simple gulch]

Gameplay of mutlidotting?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[simple gulch]

You either do damage in aoe or you don’t and multi dot

Lmao

[oak sky]

Thats not exactly how it works

[fleet imp]

Stealth IC ER rup gar?

[strange python]

BUT

[fleet imp]

Should be more than that?

[oak sky]

No matter what you have you get tuned

[strange python]

but how can you stealth to use garrote

?

[normal mist]

Between packs

Or vanish

[simple gulch]

You garrote first from stealth ?

[oak sky]

Ic doesnt break stealth

[honest vessel]

probably something like that, maybe garrote first

improved garrote lasts 3 seconds after stealth

[simple gulch]

Tbh with iron wire you’d have to

And that

[honest vessel]

it'd still work for that

[fleet imp]

I am not confident packs will live more than 45s tbh

Unless high keys?

1min was a bit too long in current 20s

[oak sky]

Even in high keys over 45s might be a little long its probably leftovers at that point

[strange python]

but

[royal lantern]

butt

[strange python]

if you are fighting in pack

how can you stealth

or

[oak sky]

Vanish

[honest vessel]

u can vanish

[royal lantern]

vanish?

[strange python]

you are saying that IC doesnt break the stealth

rgith

right

[simple gulch]

Yeah, at that point there’s gonna be a few mobs left that you can manually mutlidot

Right?

[oak sky]

And you get 3 globals of imp garrote anyways

[oak sky]

Sure

With your 1 cp finish off ruptures or whatever

Its not the worst

[simple gulch]

Maybe I’m a bit too hyped but I think this might be one of the best sin iterations

[small kiln]

Guys I'm trying to find any vod of sin gameplay on beta but can't find any,anyone knows someone that streams at least sin content ?

[royal lantern]

exsang

🙂

[oak sky]

Its a pretty massive change to go from multi dotting being your entire aoe gameplay to it typically being none of your gameplay

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra has vods

[simple gulch]

I don’t think exsang is gonna ruin it

[small kiln]

Thank you

[royal lantern]

you think wrong

[fleet imp]

It does feel really good just a pity you dont have an aoe spender? Unless we start to spam CT but doesn't seem the case

[simple gulch]

Really?

[gilded swallow]

On a scale, how much do you kneecap yourself if you're not running exang?

[balmy condor]

exsang ruins rotations like replacing the milk in your cereal with piss

[oak sky]

Ct is our aoe spender

[simple gulch]

CT is good

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

its like

[balmy condor]

about 5%

[oak sky]

A lot

[honest vessel]

spammable aoe spenders are the death of fun in specs with aoe builders

i will never understand wanting that

[gilded swallow]

For both ST and AoE? Or is it far more important in one of the cases?

[royal lantern]

df assa is really good, and then comes exsang anf makes it annoying instantly

[fleet imp]

But you dont spam it, only reapply afaik

[simple gulch]

Well, I’m gonna disagree with that but fair

[honest vessel]

depends on target count

[balmy condor]

it's better for single target, but you take it for the single target in m+ as well, so you lose a lot there too

[oak sky]

That doesnt make it less of an aoe spender

[meager granite]

In a world where some classes press 1 button to destroy 10 mobs you need something to keep being relevant

[gilded swallow]

Aight grand

[fleet imp]

I was thinking about a black powder kinda thing

[honest vessel]

fuck relevancy if it means being bored

[fleet imp]

That would be OP while waiting for Ic coming back up

[oak sky]

So like our spec is based on bleeds right

[strange python]

i like sub aoe rotation tho

[oak sky]

So we have a bleed as our aoe finisher

[royal lantern]

pressing 2 buttons?

[honest vessel]

^

[simple gulch]

This was my 13 fort academy https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713032916489470035/1044288035140931754/image.png

[oak sky]

Its not like that anymore tryan

[strange python]

more or less yeah

[oak sky]

Its kinda ok now

[honest vessel]

it's a bit better now

[simple gulch]

Talents aren’t entirely correct though

[honest vessel]

with sectec and nado and flag

[oak sky]

You do some ruptures and use sectech

[meager granite]

Well nothing stops you from not speccing CT and IC tho

[honest vessel]

i have no problem with CT and IC

CT is it done right

[oak sky]

Ct is great

[simple gulch]

CT seems pretty good damage wise for me as you can see

🤔

[fleet imp]

Thats for sure! It just feel wrong to me to use envenom waiting for dots to drop

In packs at least

[honest vessel]

i love it

[oak sky]

I honestly like envenom+pb as an aoe filler

[honest vessel]

^

[balmy condor]

CT is our only AoE it better be good

[simple gulch]

Same

[oak sky]

But im not sure if we're gonna get that

[simple gulch]

Well, no

[oak sky]

Ever

[simple gulch]

You have discriminate carnage

[balmy condor]

sure

and what do you do after that?

[timid cloud]

What do you mean? FOK is an amazing AOE ability.

[meager granite]

I think we all wish we pb fish with envenom instead of Ct spam

[honest vessel]

[simple gulch]

Sleep

[balmy condor]

gotcha

[honest vessel]

[balmy condor]

wish I could do that sometimes

[simple gulch]

[simple gulch]

It’s a bit problematic tbh though

[oak sky]

If the carnage is indiscriminate why is it 8T capped

[simple gulch]

So I understand why they moved away from@that

[simple gulch]

Lmao

[oak sky]

My theeeeeme

[simple gulch]

Imagine how strong it would be if it was uncapped

[royal lantern]

thats it, immersion ruined, dead expansion

[meager granite]

I don't like the rng of PB but blizz seems to like it. I just don't want to have CT spam when bleeds are up. It's not fun

[earnest imp]

Interesting to see how much better Assa flows with the IC cd reduction

I've noticed having 15-20s left when going to the next pack

[simple gulch]

Also did they fix secret technique

Last time I played it

It was doing poop damage

[honest vessel]

it's better now c:

theres this cool hidden tech with cold blood

[earnest imp]

Aa discussed previously I don't think you CT spamm when bleeds are up

[subtle tundra]

Well then do higher keys

[honest vessel]

u can cold blood the ghosts and still have the buff for next gcd

[uncut echo]

O

[simple gulch]

Interesting

[uncut echo]

I like tha

[honest vessel]

it's sick

[simple gulch]

During the technique?

[honest vessel]

ye

[simple gulch]

Nice name

[honest vessel]

you have to wait til the ghosts hit before you strike next

[uncut echo]

Is there even more tech to do that during tornado + tech?

[simple gulch]

I wish outlaw still had blunderbuss

[subtle tundra]

I do that

[honest vessel]

but you can get the same number of gcd's in dance

[simple gulch]

Same

[earnest imp]

You envenom spamm when bleeds are up

[honest vessel]

it can be tight

[subtle tundra]

What

[honest vessel]

depends on target count no?

[subtle tundra]

On aoe

[earnest imp]

Up to 9 I think yes

[oak sky]

Just wait for the wowhead guide man

[earnest imp]

You envenom spread basically

[uncut echo]

Ty :)

[subtle tundra]

I don't think so

You definetly don't spam envenom

[gilded swallow]

So in the M+ build, we go IC, PB and CT? Is there enough combopoints to make good use of PB?

[earnest imp]

Pretty sure that was the case when discussing with Whispyr yesterday

[fleet imp]

Best feeling as assa, PB on motes

[earnest imp]

I spammed CT aswell and he mentioned that wowhead guide will be fixed

That when CT bleed is up it's more beneficial to use cp on envenoms

[balmy condor]

other way around

[simple gulch]

For PB?

[earnest imp]

There we go, man that never sleeps

[gilded swallow]

Feels to me if you're opening with IC, putting up garrotes and Ruptures, and then CTing, and start working on dropping PBs, won't you risk dropping ruptures at the end of the pull then? Or does it work out?

[balmy condor]

when Envenom buff is up it's more beneficial to use cp on CT

maintain CT -> envenom buff -> CT spam

[earnest imp]

Ah

[simple gulch]

Makes sense

[earnest imp]

Maybe it's better for me wait for the guide on Monday, keep missinterpreting you lmao

[simple gulch]

I just realized that I corrected a shadow blade

[balmy condor]

"maintain CT" is vague in this sense, as you get more targets you can refresh earlier and earlier

[gilded swallow]

And not pick PB with this then I take it?

[simple gulch]

Sorry whishpyr

[balmy condor]

logic works regardless of talents

[simple gulch]

You always pick PB

[balmy condor]

we don't take PB at 70 in m+

[simple gulch]

From the pins

[balmy condor]

so

[simple gulch]

Oh

Nvm

[gilded swallow]

Mh, aight, makes sense then

[balmy condor]

no points to take kingsbane, ic AND pb

[simple gulch]

Poison bomb looks nice tbh

[balmy condor]

just can't be done

[subtle tundra]

You need a balance between ct and envenom. If envenom only gives you the dmg part, you ct

[balmy condor]

exactly

[gilded swallow]

Oh, we're going KB in M+ too? That's nice :o

[honest vessel]

covers ic's weakness

to some extent

low cleave ehhhh

[balmy condor]

feel like we have a lot of people reading the pins but not seeing the pins

ya feel

[simple gulch]

Why keep envenom buff if poison damage is sussy

[honest vessel]

step 1 ✅