Which is why I had to go here to learn sadly
#assassination
slim hamlet
limber dagger
works ty!
final star
Dratnos is the Andrew Tate of Rogues
oak pulsar
I think we will see sin rogue in race to world first and hopefully that gets us some more prominent people making some cool videos
thorn fjord
Jp gonna play pirate
cobalt hemlock
its in the newest podcast? i wanna find something to get mad at
slim hamlet
Jp gonna play pirate
Yeah he's a sucker for that spec
warm canopy
Is Assasination looking good for DF?
thorn fjord
Yes
slim hamlet
Is Assasination looking good for DF?
Good and fun from what I've seen
thorn fjord
Big Antorus vibes
final star
James will always play whatever spec is best for prog, if that happens to be outlaw he'll play that 
warm canopy
Is outlaw the clear winner for next tier?
thorn fjord
Nope
oak pulsar
Jp gonna play pirate
I think at some point he will play sin the execute is pretty huge and they love execute on prog
balmy condor
Dungeonslice Comparisons for the IC buff
Before: 75.4k https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kNkCUXjbswwE77EJsgdyFd
After: 77.0k https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2X51Lg3DtF9gVWVXRe6FUK
2% buff in total :)
Does this make DTB bad? No but it wasn't the best before either, check the comparisons.
How does this change the rotation? You bleed less
insert really nuanced dtb vs carnage vs kingsbane solo capstone question here I'm glad you asked. The issue is, kingsbane sucks cause it's 0 aoe, carnage sucks cause it's 0 single target, and DTB is okay but not great at either. Reducing the cooldown on IC doesn't actually change any of those trade-offs, so none of the viability has changed either. It does shift us further to double capstone gaming though.
It doesn't sync anymore how do I play the game now? Use it at the start of packs from stealth. Mostly the same thing as before. If you want to sync with, that's a decision that you should make depending on the pull, if you need the silence, etc. I don't have an answer for every situation you will ever run into. When in doubt, ook it out, slam it on cooldown
IS SIN VIABLE IN KEYS NOW TELL ME IS IT OUTLAW DO WE PLAY SIN CAN WE PLAY SIN? SIN META? SIN M+? NO OUTLAW? CAN IT COMPETE? IS IT VIABLE?
It's really good, viability depends on the meta but it's competitive atm. Also you don't do keys where you need to care about the difference stop pretending like it. If you did do keys at that level, you wouldn't pop up like a gopher every time sin got m+ buffs asking this
thorn fjord
🤣
cursive summit
So what I'm seeing is... Play pirate nice
vast goblet
Perfect.
subtle tundra
wow no need to roast people like peanuts
copper hazel
subtle kiln
So what I'm seeing is... Play pirate nice
you spelled demon hunter wrong
wooden star
But we like roasted peanuts here
slim hamlet
__**Dungeonslice Comparisons for the IC buff**__
Before: 75.4k <https://mimiron....
HAHAHA that last bit is legendary
thorn fjord
Roasted em like marshmallows
placid adder
"viable" should be blacklisted from discord
slim hamlet
But honestly the 15 sec lower cd, will prob just feel amazing no matter how much more dmg it would deal
slim hamlet
"viable" should be blacklisted from discord
Viable should be the only word allowed
vast goblet
Was I having fun with Sin, yes. Will I continue to have fun with it? yes.
balmy condor
oh I need to add a bit hol up
slim hamlet
oh I need to add a bit hol up
monka
viscid spear
Frost Mage AoE got a nerf 
Now I feel like a Sin Rogue
slim hamlet
locks got buffed
willow rapids
most annoying part for me from those notes is locks getting buffs lol
yes, I am petty
viscid spear
locks got buffed
Locks the favorite child, no surprise 
slim hamlet
Locks the favorite child, no surprise <:evilfroge:890315166204461107>
Everyone calls mages main character but I believe it's locks
viscid spear
Everyone calls mages main character but I believe it's locks
Mages are Naruto and Locks are Sasuke
Believe it
Rogues are Sai 
viscid spear
Shun the heretic
tawny barn
Demo is fun
slim hamlet
Def most fun ranged class imo
gusty mirage
warlocks don't even like other warlocks
copper hazel
dont be coming up in here with that warlock propaganda, you gun get bernt
balmy condor
monka
an informative bit, not a "look in the mirror" bit
my chicken sandwich has a very long piece of chicken in a very circular piece of bread
I'm a little upset
balmy condor
that's not a chicken sandwich
subtle tundra
the bread and then the chicken
gusty mirage
just eat them separate
slim hamlet
my chicken sandwich has a very long piece of chicken in a very circular piece of...
damn I hope you will survive mate
subtle tundra
🫡 yes, sir, yes
balmy condor
you say words in combinations I have never seen a human do
slim hamlet
I swear to god this is the best server I've joined
subtle kiln
varas, every time you talk I wonder if you're an AI chat bot
I assumed telemarketer trying to sell me an extended warranty on my car.
gusty mirage
I assumed telemarketer trying to sell me an extended warranty on my car.
(we all are)
subtle tundra
(the warranty is assassination rogue)
meager granite
you say words in combinations I have never seen a human do
Thats usually what it does to a man when they try the outlaw spec
royal lantern
(idk why we write like this cus i just opend the channel 2sec ago)
subtle kiln
(idk why we write like this cus i just opend the channel 2sec ago)
my fault.
slim hamlet
Also how do I get rid of the outlaw tag on myself, I never want to even look at that spec again
gusty mirage
#bot-spam type !outlaw
subtle kiln
Also how do I get rid of the outlaw tag on myself, I never want to even look at ...
#bot-spam !outlaw
subtle tundra
amen, im a proud father
balmy condor
Thats usually what it does to a man when they try the outlaw spec
@midnight mist is it true that rerolling rtb during db when you have op during kir ss ps gsw ftk is ar ks ambush rb?
midnight mist
depends
midnight mist
is it a full moon?
balmy condor
it can be
midnight mist
well then yes obviously
balmy condor
I can alter my rain dance for good rtb to include changing the moon cycle
midnight mist
sound like big gains
balmy condor
can you sim it?
midnight mist
simming as we talk yea
meager granite
It works if you are Lucky but also toes crosses while doing it
balmy condor
cool cool
subtle tundra
what if you dont have fury for blade dance
oak sky
can you sim it?
Check pins
subtle tundra
do you still rtb?
midnight mist
do you still rtb?
idk, but my new br apl is about as much as the buffs you just got
subtle kiln
that img needs to be a bot command
gusty mirage
outlaw supremacy
if you keep saying it enough
varas will play outlaw
do you really want that?
midnight mist
would love that yea
subtle tundra
meager granite
Tha whack a mole spec
midnight mist
😡
oak sky
Our key guy 
midnight mist
im taking it
balmy condor
idk, but my new br apl is about as much as the buffs you just got
your new BRAP SKRRRRRRRRRRRRR KIYA BOOMBACLAT
subtle tundra
as it stands i dont even think ill play an alt that much considering how much i love assa uwu
gusty mirage
is it the br apl where you don't press br? @midnight mist
midnight mist
you guys need to get your orange guy to sleep
gusty mirage
dense yoke
wish IC had some animation 🥺
oak sky
Get on folyr
midnight mist
is it the br apl where you don't press br? <@352916297262301194>
yep
balmy condor
you guys need to get your orange guy to sleep
I woke up an hour ago you can't stop me
willow rapids
don't lie, you can't wake up when you never sleep
oak sky
Do you play audacity now
balmy condor
oak sky
Or was i dreaming
midnight mist
Do you play audacity now
you can play whatever the fuck you want
subtle tundra
Get on folyr
folyr unngmmmhm mayhaps
ill have to wait and see
gusty mirage
also friendly reminder to sin rogues, zac and solo are off limits to bullying
midnight mist
every single build sim the same
midnight mist
thats why outlaw is the true rogue spec
spec of the free
just go make a random build
and it will be iwthin 1%
grave scroll
oak sky
every other yellow name is fair game
Bully the xbox kid 
willow rapids
just put points and win
meager granite
subtle tundra
and it will be iwthin 1%
happy for you
midnight mist
also friendly reminder to sin rogues, zac and solo are off limits to bullying
thank you brotherman
will keep that in mind when varas come in outlaw chat
slim hamlet
you will catch me sooner in <#316923898501529600>
That might be a crime
midnight mist
they dont have bf
can probably just unbind bf and do about the same dmg as sin in m+ tbf
willow rapids
lol
slim hamlet
how can i keep up with this channel if you guys just keep spamming non stop
you don't
gusty mirage
damnit, he's onto us
copper hazel
channel has exsang applied to it
royal lantern
also friendly reminder to sin rogues, zac and solo are off limits to bullying
didnt say quake or whispr, got it 
balmy condor
does the br apl account for actions+=/invoke_external_buff,name=power_infusion,line_cd=120
gusty mirage
didnt say quake or whispr, got it <:2ez:587982296066424843>
whispyr will bodyslam you guys by himself
he doesn't need me
and quake's a bitch
midnight mist
does the br apl account for ``actions+=/invoke_external_buff,name=power_infusion...
outlaw cant get externals, we are imune
gusty mirage
he won't do anything anyway
meager granite
can probably just unbind bf and do about the same dmg as sin in m+ tbf
@gusty mirage and you said he is off limit....
royal lantern
whispyr will bodyslam you guys by himself
god i wish he would bodyslam me
balmy condor
outlaw cant get externals, we are imune
oh shit that's a big buff
gusty mirage
god i wish he would bodyslam me
same
midnight mist
oh shit that's a big buff
yep
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> and you said he is off limit....
he's an outlaw rogue and he's fr*nch
forgive him
willow rapids
outlaw cant get externals, we are imune
by immune, you mean uselss right?
amber niche
@gusty mirage will u kiss me under the tree?
gusty mirage
no
leaden hornet
Lol I remember asking for 45secs IC and people were giddy to just have it at 90...and here we are
balmy condor
damn
midnight mist
by immune, you mean uselss right?
Yes so imune
balmy condor
wish I had that
meager granite
he's an outlaw rogue and he's fr*nch
I am a baguette aswell but i have dignity at least
midnight mist
no one ever going to press pi on an outlaw rogue, so I dont have to think about an apl for pi
whispyr is already working on his big PI apl rn
amber niche
@gusty mirage do you want pi
gusty mirage
Yes so imune
all of us are as long as warlocks and mages exist
obtuse robin
iv been in raid where i was pi target as outlaw
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> do you want pi
oh, NOW you want to give me PI?
amber niche
LOL
obtuse robin
cuz everyone else was so bad
gusty mirage
iv been in raid where i was pi target as outlaw
I've been in raids when I was getting PI playing sub in 9.1
weird times
obtuse robin
lmao
amber niche
ive been in a raid where our prot paladin asked for pi
balmy condor
whispyr is already working on his big PI apl rn
I had a guy DM me that pi was good in 9.2 on sin, and since 9.2 was "double dots during vendetta" and 10.0 is "double dots during deathmark" and we play exsang, which is "double dots for short time", it's technically 4x dots, so PI is twice as good now
and then asked for sim
and I'm like
uh
no
:)
meager granite
I've been in raids when I was getting PI playing sub in 9.1
Even weirder i was PI target as sub in m+.
obtuse robin
ive been in a raid where our prot paladin asked for pi
iv been in raid where the bear tank was asking for pi
amber niche
ok i go, cu oxi
pastel shale
I had a guy DM me that pi was good in 9.2 on sin, and since 9.2 was "double dots...
the logic is flawless
gusty mirage
ok i go, cu oxi
balmy condor
the logic is flawless
yeah he went on to take my job at wowhead
amber niche
oak sky
That guy? Me
analog mica
can a gamer tell smol-brained me, how are sin stocks looking now
balmy condor
in what situation
obtuse robin
pretty good
pastel shale
they're bleeding out
analog mica
M+, i mean
pastel shale
obtuse robin
here we go
balmy condor
come on down dak, let me show you what you've won
you won a pin, not targeted at you specifically, but it has a very "I'm in this image and I don't like it" type vibe
obtuse robin
just woken up whispyr is the best whispyr
balmy condor
I've nearly reached full clairvoyance
analog mica
moving my mouse to the pin button, clicking the pins and reading is a tall order
obtuse robin
atleast he is honest
balmy condor
mine is talking to women
copper hazel
its the meme of the sweating press button guy
one button is the pins
one is hitting enter on the dumb question in the channel
obtuse robin
mine is talking to women
but what abotu talking to men 
strange python
mine is talking to women
Don't you have a gf?
balmy condor
can a gamer tell smol-brained me, how are sin stocks looking now
to answer seriously though, sin m+ is banger, great damage, good fun
stock wise you're investing near the peak if you jump in now, might want to wait for the dip, but it has the possibility to diamond hands moon_emoji rocket_ship_emoji
analog mica
balmy condor
Don't you have a gf?
yeah, for 7.5 years. She asked me out, and I haven't been able to look another woman in the eyes since
strange python
Dawwww
balmy condor
my mom keeps telling me to stop staring at her boobs though so that's a downside I guess
willow rapids
was it that traumatic?
placid adder
lmao
strange python
Has she ever asked you if sin is good in m+
balmy condor
Has she ever asked you if sin is good in m+
she's asked me what rip does because she played a feral druid to level 27 and then hasn't logged in since
all around me are familiar faces
cobalt hemlock
final star
I was seeing the 1 pixel boxes on my weak auras when I closed my eyes after spending 4hrs+ on them
very cool brain
unreal kayak
@final star really cool wa pack
dim shoal
Vanish is staring into my soul
Wait. Was is intended that all icons with eyes are in the middle
balmy condor
I was seeing the 1 pixel boxes on my weak auras when I closed my eyes after spen...
you need to shrink the whole thing 2 subpixels horizontally to line up the cp gap in the middle
final star
That's a mess I cannot be bothered to fix
Because then it'll scuff on 7cp
I can live with that gap
balmy condor
you just gotta find the lowest common multiple and make that the width
copper hazel
that gap was the first thing i saw when my eyes hit the image
final star
No
balmy condor
wdym no
final star
Is there 7 gaps
balmy condor
oh you're counting gaps
final star
It's 320 rn
Would mean I'd have to change more sizes
More headache
Just to remove the gap on 6cp
final star
🤢
kind talon
🙂
slim hamlet
or just gigachad it and use default
balmy condor
that's a nopers
final star
That's a no from me bossman
midnight mist
or just gigachad it and use default
default cps dont even work
copper hazel
the fact they didnt allow for the ui edit to move the combo points is tragic
balmy condor
JPC looking headass
slim hamlet
(yes im also the one that got bullied for having Slice and dice on 2)
midnight mist
😬
slim hamlet
default cps dont even work
Yeah since prepatch they've been quite weird
balmy condor
(yes im also the one that got bullied for having Slice and dice on 2)
you don't have 2 keybound?
weird
balmy condor
also the middle of your name is getting more annoying to me the more I try to pronounce it
slim hamlet
also the middle of your name is getting more annoying to me the more I try to pr...
Mine?
balmy condor
either the R or the H have got to go
versed mica
Whispyr wasn't it you who told me that reducing the CD more would be insanity?
balmy condor
Whispyr wasn't it you who told me that reducing the CD more would be insanity?
it is
slim hamlet
Mate i have no idea i just typed the first and best thing i could think of
balmy condor
this isn't the buff carnage needed
slim hamlet
Oh you mean my discord name
balmy condor
yeah your char name is whatever
sharp falcon
Certainly willing to hear commentary on it
sharp falcon
Mostly aimed at smoothing out gameplay and not necessarily a massive buff
balmy condor
sharp falcon
I do think it puts more eggs in one basket than I'd like VERY-long-term but have to use the tools available
balmy condor
what was the perceived un-smooth-ness from 1min
final star
Now it's desynced from deathmark sadge
balmy condor
if you dont mind me asking
sharp falcon
M+ pacing, mostly
balmy condor
I see
sharp falcon
the "why am i always 10sec away" itch was really really common
slim hamlet
the "why am i always 10sec away" itch was really really common
feel that
sharp falcon
I suppose you could make that assessment about anything really, but for now it's singularly carrying the weight of "dots matter in aoe too" gameplay. In some far-future world I could imagine a healthy way to spread that concept across the whole kit, or a wider range of talents that support that theme and have good gameplay pacing. I think this is about maxed out for IC and leaning into it any more heavily will start to feel warped (if not already, even if only slightly)
Regardless, I'm very interested to see how it goes
versed mica
Mfw I started dialogue between Whispyr and Realz 
slim hamlet
x is typing... for a couple of months at a time
balmy condor
and in that regard, this definitely hits the target. I think realistically, you would just end up holding it at the end of the pack for the next one and it'll be fine.
The issue I have with fiddling with carnage cooldown though is the reason why carnage "sucks" for a lack of a better word, is that it provides no single target, and the balance of that is the aoe is good. That's why we take both kingsbane and IC currently to sort of balance the two out. But lowering the cooldown just ends up making it feel a little hollow because you end up giving up a lot of the multi-dotting gameplay for "I have a button that will do it instantly, and I have it all the time". On paper, you can ER -> carnage -> rupture, and that rupture lasts 32 seconds on a 45 second cooldown
and that in my opinion is a little ridiculous. If the AoE was weak (I think it's fine for the record), I think it should've gotten changed in some other way rather than just cranking the uptime
pacing wise the choice makes sense but I get the impression it should've probably stayed at 1:30 to begin with if you wanted a 45 second timer
candid crypt
hi people
balmy condor
hello linux penguin
candid geyser
Idk based on dungeons I’ve done - I think I prefer shorter cd versus 1.5 min and stronger buff or something. Makes sin feel smooth throughout aoe
candid crypt
vendetta had no global CD but deathmark has it
balmy condor
you're correct
balmy condor
because deathmark is crazy strong
versed mica
Bc it puts a dot on it
slim hamlet
it does something insta
balmy condor
also hot take, you shouldn't be able to macro your cooldowns
midnight mist
yo realz you see that? you broke the penguin macro
balmy condor
they're your most important buttons
you should feel like you need to control them
that's the whole point of a cooldown
spice spire
@midnight mist moment
nocturne current
and in that regard, this definitely hits the target. I think realistically, you ...
DTB is no longer a thing?
balmy condor
yeah it's deleted from the game
uncut echo
spice spire
Bless up
slim hamlet
I heard you get banned for exploit if you talent it
nocturne current
spice spire
Kb only 
gusty mirage
yeah it's deleted from the game
can I be deleted from the game?
uncut echo
if you'd like
spice spire
Yes man
balmy condor
anyone caught playing DTB in the year of our lord 2023 will be removed from our earthly reality
no more
spice spire
anyone caught playing DTB in the year of our lord 2023 will be removed from our ...
Omw my way!
gusty mirage
mmkay, note to self play DTB to get removed from reality
slim hamlet
Win win
versed mica
Delete elves from the game
hollow barn
we get 1 month to play DTB before Whispyr comes for us
night delta
also hot take, you shouldn't be able to macro your cooldowns
on paper why not, but when some specs got like 5 things to press all at once (1 GCD, 3 off-GCD, 1 Trinket)...
nocturne current
and in that regard, this definitely hits the target. I think realistically, you ...
But, yes, this about carnage 100%.
night delta
don't want to be mozart playing piano chords
nocturne current
As much as I really like IC, the timing just seems way off some times.
spice spire
Delete elves from the game
Delet this rn nephew
uncut echo
Whispyr out here like pennywise feeding on our fear of getting deleted
tacit oar
on paper why not, but when some specs got like 5 things to press all at once (1 ...
Yeah like sub
candid crypt
on paper why not, but when some specs got like 5 things to press all at once (1 ...
for example i was using blood fury + trinket + aspect of the wild on my BM at season 4 before openers
spice spire
Whispyr out here like pennywise feeding on our fear of getting deleted
I pray For it
versed mica
Delet this rn nephew
uncut echo
balmy condor
DTB is no longer a thing?
Actually though dtb is fine, it cuts the difference between the other 2 capstones while being a passive option
sharp falcon
Don't really disagree fwiw, but hopefully you can see why the change was made anyway
balmy condor
Easier gameplay and all that
sharp falcon
DTB has some good fights (i think, probably)
candid crypt
what dtb means tho
spice spire
Dragon tempered blades
uncut echo
Dragon Tempered Blades, 2 poisons
night delta
middle capstone
balmy condor
what dtb means tho
Deez tfucking bnuts
spice spire
candid crypt
ah
spice spire
Deez tfucking bnuts
Brother?
candid crypt
that looks op
nocturne current
I mean, I'm all up, big fan of Carnage, but when you're just standing there with it in single target and no use for a talent it just feels like dick.
balmy condor
Don't really disagree fwiw, but hopefully you can see why the change was made an...
I understand the pacing side of it yeah, makes sense why you would do it
spice spire
Feels like dick 
copper hazel
pretty good feeling, for some
sharp falcon
did u see PoE community lead make a 'deez nuts' joke, holy
copper hazel
Bex is a real one for sure
spice spire
If he’s following us, surely
candid crypt
so from tooltip i understand 2 non lethal and 2 lethal so in total 4 poisons applied to weapons am i correct ?
spice spire
so from tooltip i understand 2 non lethal and 2 lethal so in total 4 poisons app...
Yes !
night delta
high assassin fantasy right there, top notch
final star
Haha ur mother @spice spire
candid geyser
I actually love the 45 sec IC. So many times it came off cd what felt like 10-20 seconds into a pull- gonna be huge feels
spice spire
Haha ur mother <@226508540746006528>
Bro how can you do this to me
nocturne current
so from tooltip i understand 2 non lethal and 2 lethal so in total 4 poisons app...
Wait, I was in holidays, they changed stuff again?
candid crypt
Wait, I was in holidays, they changed stuff again?
idk, i just looked it in game
versed mica
i wonder if 'ur mom' jokes are up next
Ur mom so bad, she make exanguinate look like a good talent
Or something
I tried
dense herald
so i feel like exang and kingsbane tend to overlap quite alot in single target gameplay, if both are up, is the play to refresh dots into exang - and then start your kingsbane window even though youll have to refresh dots again mid window? i assume you wouldnt hold kingsbane so you get a clean window? feels like im playing wrong by not just spamming envenoms during the windows
spice spire
sharp falcon
DTB the only talent u cant play in prepatch, sadge =*(
spice spire
So true bestie 😦
candid crypt
DTB the only talent u cant play in prepatch, sadge =*(
this is some real bs, for real
night delta
DTB the only talent u cant play in prepatch, sadge =*(
gotta temper the blades in dragon blood first
lore accurate
hollow barn
Change the flavour text on Shrouded Suffocation to read "ur Mum sits on the Target"
oak sky
so i feel like exang and kingsbane tend to overlap quite alot in single target g...
if the envenom buff stays up kingsbane doesnt lose any value
sharp falcon
yes yes, is 4 lore
nocturne current
idk, i just looked it in game
Ah lol, I thought you meant the talent, not total, dayum, you scared me.
candid crypt
Ah lol, I thought you meant the talent, not total, dayum, you scared me.
haha
spice spire
final star
God I hate the Linux penguin and his smug fucking face and his rotund tum tum
dense herald
if the envenom buff stays up kingsbane doesnt lose any value
yeah was more around the shivs and feeling like im wasting em
oak sky
nah its fine
dense herald
ok sweet ta
nocturne current
And also, there's that, I mean 2 non-lethals in M+ is pretty neat.
gusty mirage
DTB the only talent u cant play in prepatch, sadge =*(
I blame the community figures of RH for that
smh
candid crypt
God I hate the Linux penguin and his smug fucking face and his rotund tum tum
hey im cute
final star
No you're Seizy
candid crypt
thats also true
spice spire
I blame the community figures of RH for that
So true bestie
midnight mist
copper hazel
some youtubers out there with a few tier lists
dense herald
shiv is just an uptime thing
still important to have both envenom and shiv up before you actually press KB tho right
nocturne current
I like it on pre-patch even so I guess pretty good.
final star
It's not DECEMBER
candid geyser
DTB should grant both atrophic/mind-numbing in class tree 
midnight mist
It's not DECEMBER
SORRY MONSIEUR CASTOR
final star
spice spire
A++++ tier @candid crypt
final star
no yelling at zac
God I've never been more attracted to you
spice spire
gusty mirage
final star
subtle kiln
spice spire
God bless
subtle kiln
need a RH emote. where he Ronkles
final star
Was that too scary
final star
nocturne current
so whats the current state of assasination rogue on m+ on DF ?
You can try it now on live to get the feeling of it, it's doing reasonable.
stuck knoll
need a RH emote. where he Ronkles
you want dog emote?
spice spire
I made you the poison monkey in my pokemon
I am a toxic monkey
subtle kiln
you want dog emote?
sure. i can get you a better image. want silly or serious?
stuck knoll
Something like that is good
subtle kiln
i’ll teach her to cover her eyes too.
stuck knoll
If you have a head tilt
subtle kiln
yea
stuck knoll
For a confused emote
subtle kiln
gimme a few
final star
nocturne current
Is this Oxii the @gusty mirage ?
gusty mirage
stuck knoll
yeah
nocturne current
nocturne current
Do Docks. 
gusty mirage
AFTO GOT DISQUALIFIED? <:OMEGALUL:759236574180540456>
@subtle tundra
strange python
if the envenom buff stays up kingsbane doesnt lose any value
Are you able to get a rupture off between envenoms and keep it up?? That'd be surprising at early xpac haste levels
oak sky
Are you able to get a rupture off between envenoms and keep it up?? That'd be su...
Envenom buff is hella long man
strange python
Without ttk?
dense herald
so if envenom buff was falling off during kb and rupture was down, envemon>rupture?
strange python
Ideally you'd wanna go into KB with enough time on rupture to not
gusty mirage
doggo
dense herald
Ideally you'd wanna go into KB with enough time on rupture to not
yeah but alot of the time exang is rolling whilst during kb
so itll run out
smoky sandal
My dog
empty hinge
@subtle tundra are you happy king
spice spire
He never is
oak sky
Ideally you'd wanna go into KB with enough time on rupture to not
rupture pandemic should be long enough that you never choose between envenom uptime during kb vs having rupture up
strange python
I mean that's not entirely enough to get a second env when you rupture and consider energy costs unless head math is wrong
oak sky
envenom mut mut rupture mut mut envenom
and thats absolute worst case
also envenom pandemics so
you might have a higher envenom than just 6-7s
gusty mirage
also envenom pandemics so
my love for you pandemics
burnt latch
im creating a pandemic
oak sky
i would cast 2 loves on you so i could get better value out of heartsang @gusty mirage
spice spire
balmy condor
After.. 2 seasons. <:lul:585739277548388352>
Sepsis was never supposed to give subterfuge garrotes during shadowlands
That wasn’t a bug
nocturne current
I've been trying to find a purpose for Sepsis post-dot ability the whole time, it's so sad it wasn't even 1 use without cost. 
strange python
envenom mut mut rupture mut mut envenom
I'm more worried about energy than casts tbh
balmy condor
We’re worried about energy?
balmy condor
gusty mirage
no energy irl
do cocaine like an adult
subtle kiln
subtle kiln
do cocaine like an adult
based both past and present slang
thorn crater
tinfoil hat thought about IC change: they are testing exsa popping all bleeds and dropping it to us before launch
at this point i see 45 second cd i think of exsa. sorry 😛
thorn crater
i mean i stand by the testing part. could be for 10.1
gotta do something to pass the time till launch am i right?
nothing to complain aobut anymore
nocturne current
Does make you wonder tho, what would be the next thing in list people would complain if Exsa didn't exist tho.
gusty mirage
Does make you wonder tho, what would be the next thing in list people would comp...
they've started complaining about snd already
thorn crater
can u imagine though? "community complains about having exsa. lets double down and make it even stronger"
oak sky
tbf tryan never stopped complaining about snd
nocturne current
Snd is a good boi.
subtle kiln
imagine complaining about maintenance buffs as a rogue when outlaw exists.
deft flicker
imagine complaining about maintenance buffs as a rogue when outlaw exists.
Does outlaw have any buffs you actually need to maintain??
pulls up a picture of 37m snd
balmy condor
The next complaint after exsang is a philosophical debate about the design choices of the spec, how all the cooldowns are supposed to fit together, and then coming to an academic disagreeing on what each individual values in the class
Or shadow dance
Probably shadow dance
balmy condor
I’ve sort of accepted tea
oak sky
for me like
minor aurora
how is the ST looking for all 3 specs in beta which seems to be better?
oak sky
cold blood <<tea<=dance
balmy condor
Tea is dumb but I get why it exists
And it’s fine
It’s not intrusive
So idc really
oak sky
just boring really
balmy condor
how is the ST looking for all 3 specs in beta which seems to be better?
Sin is the best atm followed by the other 2
candid geyser
should be a capstone #hottake
deft flicker
Tea is a sippy
minor aurora
Sin is the best atm followed by the other 2
okay thank you!
balmy condor
just boring really
I’ll take boring over actively harming my experience
deft flicker
And I hope they add a beer glyph for it
balmy condor
I think I’m in the same vein
subtle kiln
Does outlaw have any buffs you actually need to maintain??
nope. the no maintenance rogue alternative
subtle kiln
it is
balmy condor
Which is a bigger issue imo
deft flicker
Yeah
balmy condor
Talent for talent though cold blood after exsang for sure
subtle kiln
edge of night would have been a better capstone on sub side of general
dance just been a problem from the start
and idk how you fix without removing
deft flicker
All 3 specs use ambush to some extent, so that kinda fits (despite being boring)
oak sky
it makes finisher rules real weird
uncut echo
i just woke up, what happened to IC
full sky
do you guys ever have energy problems?
uncut echo
Sin plays slow
deft flicker
i just woke up, what happened to IC
60s --> 45s
uncut echo
oh, I think I like that as a band-aid fix
spice spire
subtle kiln
low key im not sure that imp ambush was a good decision
good for sub, decent enough for assa and outlaw. kinda what you want for a general
oak sky
i mean
its strong and functional
but i think it has a lot of potential to fuck with finisher rules
which is like
janky
subtle kiln
how do?
oak sky
like
subtle kiln
for sub it strike
oak sky
you can get 5cp on strike for sub
subtle kiln
for outlaw it’s a builder
oak sky
you can get 4 for sin
low flint
feels like that's a huge buff
subtle kiln
and?
subtle kiln
anything knew is generally awkward at first
oak sky
but like sin with no deeper ends up with a 3cp finisher
💀
luckily we play deeper
so
meh
its mostly fine
but just feels a little weird
subtle kiln
in a month it won’t
you’ll just do it and be whatever
you’ve got enough cp options to mess with if you really want to finish -1 as assa with sbs
subtle kiln
aren’t playing what?
fossil pagoda
new to assa, do we still use envenom during kingsbane in aoe?
oak sky
aren’t playing what?
imp ambush
balmy condor
new to assa, do we still use envenom during kingsbane in aoe?
depends on your priorities
if you want to max that kingsbane, sure
dense herald
Those changes aiming to reduce aoe after 8 targets is only gonna benefit assass and outlaw right? Gonna bring down the giga aoe specs and not really change our aoe power?
balmy condor
if you're in a giga pull and trying to slam aoe and crank big aoe
then probably not
fossil pagoda
so just regular aoe priorities unless i have a prio target, just slam kingsbane for extra dmg?
balmy condor
yep
oak sky
Those changes aiming to reduce aoe after 8 targets is only gonna benefit assass ...
pretty much benefits any currently soft capped class
balmy condor
you just want to drop kingsbane down onto something every minute
if that something is important, you should aim to pump the kingsbane
oak sky
what if the last hit of kingsbane blew up
fossil pagoda
alright ty
balmy condor
it was not
the artifact trait was that each poison application reduced the cooldown of kingsbane
oak sky
😐
balmy condor
by like 0.3
subtle kiln
I enjoyed running KB in heroic last night. stuff didn’t exactly live long enough for good execute phase but still cranked
dense herald
Would anyone have any idea of how to do a couple things on cev’s plater profile?
1: remove the glow from garrote on the enemy name plate
2: instead of the enemy name plates going green when I sbs them, can I change it to turning green when garrote is up on them? (I assume it’s just a matter of changing some custom script from “sbs” to “garrote” but no idea where to find it
potent stone
is it normal that with around 260 ilvl i feel like i have no energy reg at all?
balmy condor
depends on your definition of no energy regen
prepatch is also missing 10 talent points
so the spec just isn't fully fleshed out
potent stone
yea just curious if it plays so slow, but i swapped from the kingsbane build to the starter build and it feels way way better now
balmy condor
probably a blindside diff
but we're still missing thistle tea and sbs and ER from the kingsbane build
so that's a lot of extra "speed"
potent stone
i watched some streams of beta today and even tho it was m+ i felt like there is a big diffrence in the speed of play yea
also i remember if im correct that assa needs gear more than i.e outlaw but i can be completly wrong 🙂
uncut echo
There it is, scaling
balmy condor
potent stone
what lethal poison should i use btw? or is there like a ranking if equipped?
balmy condor
potent stone
thanks 🙂
balmy condor
also i remember if im correct that assa needs gear more than i.e outlaw but i ca...
"assa needs gear more" is a gigantic meme from like wrath that the community has just never let go
just btw
its just not a relevant thing to consider
potent stone
ah ok i remember my guildies in legion telling me this every fucking raid 😄
balmy condor
yeah they're clowns
they heard some dude say that like 3 years earlier
and then just rolled with it
while not understanding how anything works
I've been fighting the whole "scaling" thing for years now
its just too wide spread
potent stone
got it. will be weird first tier for me anyway, first time raiding world 500ish and swapping after 6 years of mage/warlock to rogue
static glacier
"assa needs gear more" is a gigantic meme from like wrath that the community has...
Just to be pedantic it was actually the opposite, sin is doing well and combat is the gear reliant spec, but yeah we get what you mean
balmy condor
yeh
it just morphed to sin for some reason cause idk
slow spec and haste = faster
and faster = better
static glacier
Blame seal fate
balmy condor
yeah that too
static glacier
crit scaling xd
balmy condor
no other class in the game has crit interactions
potent stone
yeah that too
maybe u should start youtube guides so u can fight the narratives 🙂
static glacier
The thing is people consider the rate of power increase without realising the base power of a spec matters much more than their benefit from secondaries
Esp since the whole redistribution of secondary stat gain vs ilvl a few expacs back
potent stone
was it bfa when ilvl was king ?
or when they changed the mainstat/secondary stat thing
static glacier
It’s been ilvl is king since wod I’m pretty sure
Mop had some suspicious interactions for some classes / trinkets
I can’t remember exactly but they just made it so you mainly gain mainstat with ilvl upgrades - more so than secondaries. It was legion or later
balmy condor
The thing is people consider the rate of power increase without realising the ba...
the other thing is that people really easily tunnel vision into like "HASTE SPEED BLEEDS AND SEAL FATE CRIT GO GO GO GO"
and don't realize that everyone around them
also gain stats
and also get damage from stats
it's not like sin has a passive hidden multiplier that makes it get 50% more damage per stat
marble hemlock
hey whishpyre, big fan. can you explain a little bit, ideall win only 2-3 sentences, how good assassination is scaling in dragonflight? thanks.
static glacier
Honestly I feel like spec scaling over time in a tier is more so with kill times than gear
Some specs prefer it while some perform worse with shorter kills, ele in nathria is an example
balmy condor
and then like the whole thinking is that sin sucks early in the expansion because it doesn't have a lot of secondaries, but then gets better with secondaries? But you start the expansion with secondary stats, it's not like you have 0% of any secondary when you log in for 10.0, and if assassination is so significantly better with secondaries than other classes, you would expect them to be better at the start as well
unless you're on the breakpoint cope train where you think there some magical barrier of stats you need to cross to enter the holy land
marble hemlock
yeah but we scale better than other classes, obviously
balmy condor
which is just even more deranged
like either secondaries are good, or they're not
you can't have both
potent stone
well but doesnt it make sense if u would need to reach a cap?
static glacier
They’ve bundled in a bunch of innate crit etc for any spec that needs it for reasonable gameplay / spell interactions
balmy condor
well but doesnt it make sense if u would need to reach a cap?
yeah but that would require breakpoints to exist, and breakpoints existing is even more insane than thinking one spec scales much harder from secondaries than other stats
there's like maybe 2 breakpoints in the game that sorta matter
but they're easily explained
static glacier
Only breakpoints in modern wow are like shatter cap for frost and maybe gcd or haste caps for some specs
balmy condor
yeah
balmy condor
shatter cap and fitting another cast into your cds or something
fleet whale
well there isn't much borrowed power in DF
and "scaling" these past few expansions has really just been how good each spec interacts with their borrowed power
fleet whale
so it will be interesting to see what happens in DF
balmy condor
but I challenge those people to explain to me what sort of breakpoints exist on assassination
fleet whale
cause DF doesn't have that much borrowed power
spare crow
well there isn't much borrowed power in DF
and "scaling" these past few expansio...
What borrowed power do we even have in df
fleet whale
basically none unless if you count tier
marble hemlock
can u tell me the numeric value?
more than you can ever hope to get
static glacier
I’d imagine evo theorycrafters overanalyse the shattering star windows and have haste caps for fitting an extra disintegrate tick
fleet whale
and I guess a leggo may show up
torpid hinge
exsang snapshot haste -> more stat more bleed /s
potent stone
nah, tier aint no borrowed power in the sense of borrowed power
balmy condor
can u tell me the numeric value?
you can get 100% crit by full stacking it until like 600 ilevel and hoping blizzard doesn't release an expansion from now until then
balmy condor
exsang snapshot haste -> more stat more bleed /s
fuck you're so based and true
spare crow
balmy condor
how is tier not borrowed power btw
potent stone
or you talent coldblood and stop using abilities
sounds like a foolproof rotation
static glacier
Inb4 that meme pyroblast filler half duration combustion talent baits some mages into going crit
fleet whale
idk how you can overanalyze Devastation Evoker... I was playing it a bit and it might be one of the easiest specs to play in the game
balmy condor
you get it for 1 patch then replace it
fleet whale
at least in ST
balmy condor
idk how you can overanalyze Devastation Evoker... I was playing it a bit and it ...
have you seen preheats rotation guide
static glacier
idk how you can overanalyze Devastation Evoker... I was playing it a bit and it ...
Consider that shattering star has a travel time, you can already fit an extra disint tick in by using it from max range vs melee
potent stone
tier is the definition of borrowed power
if u think about borrowed power u dont think of tier. logically it is borrowed yes. But i think about Artifact Power style stuff or the worst thing in game ever - corruptions
torpid hinge
idk how you can overanalyze Devastation Evoker... I was playing it a bit and it ...
very straightforward but theres some micro things to improve dps by clipping disintegrate in cds
static glacier
There’s a little nuance to the spells even if it’s overall low-key meaningless and boring af
balmy condor
if u think about borrowed power u dont think of tier. logically it is borrowed y...
????????????? corruptions were an added effect you had for 1 patch, tier is an added effect you have for 1 patch, what?
if 8.3 had a tier set that said "+80% haste"
they would be literally identical
static glacier
????????????? corruptions were an added effect you had for 1 patch, tier is an a...
Corruptions proved which specs S C A L e xddd
fleet whale
I mean I guess it can be difficult in the same way arcane mage can be difficult
like I get you can min max it, but like, there aren't many buttons
potent stone
????????????? corruptions were an added effect you had for 1 patch, tier is an a...
Yea i know but u cant buy tier for gold. We both know you are right but tier is still diffrent from corruptions. But what i was saying is that u cant farm tier cause u have to do 20 world quests a day
balmy condor
static glacier
Yea i know but u cant buy tier for gold. We both know you are right but tier is ...
You sure you can’t buy tier for gold 🫣
balmy condor
that response might be even more confusing
oak sky
isn't there a creation catalyst in DF
yeah
spare crow
aren't we all?
marble hemlock
nah
static glacier
To clarify you can 100% buy tier, game is low-key pay to gear / win etc as long as you’re willing to pay for boosts. Ruins the game for some but it is an option
spare crow
To clarify you can 100% buy tier, game is low-key pay to gear / win etc as long ...
I agree it's pay to gear, but I don't agree on the pay to win
torpid hinge
i like the idea of exsang
fleet whale
I feel like blizz has been gaslit into believing that exsang is actually well liked by a lot of players because it was used in NYA and in sepulcher
spare crow
if you're bad you stay bad
fleet whale
Sort of like Rune of Power for mages
oak sky
it was probably just
an ability that existed
so it got added to the new tree
independent from people liking it or not
static glacier
I agree it's pay to gear, but I don't agree on the pay to win
For sure, depends for some people if the kill is the goal or if loot is the goal of y’know what I mean
potent stone
that response might be even more confusing
Okay, what i am saying is - for me, a borrowed power is stuff like the Artifact weapons, Heart of Azeroth where u could farm it endlessly, but that is just what I think about. I also know that tier, corruption, covenant stuff is a borrowed power and changes the character, hope that clears up what i was talking about. But i maybe see tier in a diffrent light cause it has been there forever
static glacier
Okay, what i am saying is - for me, a borrowed power is stuff like the Artifact ...
Borrowed power is literally power that you give up at the end of expac, it’s not permanent
spare crow
Okay, what i am saying is - for me, a borrowed power is stuff like the Artifact ...
You're trying to argue about the fact that tier has existed for almost all expansion and thus the true borrowed powers are the xpac-exclusive systems
which I get the point of, but it's still wrong
potent stone
Borrowed power is literally power that you give up at the end of expac, it’s not...
in your definition it would be patch/xpac cause u get another tier every raid
fleet whale
I bet you warlocks are going to be strong in DF
spare crow
but It's well accepted by the community generally
potent stone
which I get the point of, but it's still wrong
correct.
spare crow
cause it's not rly something you gotta do outside of the normal grind you would've done anyway
so it's a good kind of borrowed power
the not very good kind of borrowed power is the fucking rng corruptions
for example
god those were MISERABLE
static glacier
in your definition it would be patch/xpac cause u get another tier every raid
I say expac because tier has been usable throughout an expac - there’s many cases of using past tier sets in the following raid. Either way it’s not something that stays with you - litterally borrowed
potent stone
Syreldar is saying those things that are in my head in english and not jibberish, but maybe thats cause its 5:30 am here
static glacier
Your line of reasoning could apply to legendaries, are legendary items borrowed power or not?
fleet whale
why do you hate gouge? lol
spare crow
Your line of reasoning could apply to legendaries, are legendary items borrowed ...
Well in practice they are borrowed power too
spare crow
why do you hate gouge? lol
Many reasons 
fleet whale
If it's because it's an extra button, I get you. Sin has too many buttons with the current best build
spare crow
Oh nono i'm all for the button bloat, I can handle those
I don't like the fact that you gotta face the target to use it, it's counterintuitive
blazing snow
love that final note in the most recent pin
fleet whale
there used to be a glyph that removed that requirement for gouge
balmy condor
love that final note in the most recent pin
we keep it lighthearted in here
(and a little jaded)
spare crow
Whispyr spitting facts
on a daily basis
as per usual
I call those "common Whispyr W"
blazing snow
I have to tell my friend a similar line everytime they start getting twisted up over the meta. friend you barely do 10-15's the meta don't care about you
spare crow
static glacier
we keep it lighthearted in here
Nothing lighthearted about waiting three hours to get a weekly key 💀 hyperbole aside I think pugging as off meta can be miserable
fleet whale
So many buttons that I'm thinking about being a Demon Hunter
spare crow
I have to tell my friend a similar line everytime they start getting twisted up ...
big true
balmy condor
Nothing lighthearted about waiting three hours to get a weekly key 💀 hyperbole ...
waiting three hours to get a weekly key is a you problem not a sin problem
blazing snow
pugging can be miserable, you don't need the off meta qualifier
balmy condor
people see yellow class in their group finder, hover your ilvl and raider.io and move on
fleet whale
Most people just look at ilvl and score for lower keys
balmy condor
they don't go looking at your spec
balmy condor
they won't even notice until like the 2nd to last boss when they go "oh shit that's a sin rogue"
and hopefully you aren't a shitter and they go "that's pretty good"
nocturne current
Most people are even asking now. "Is assassination good now?" You just say, yes.
static glacier
But trying to find keys as say survival in s1-2 was cursed if I didn’t push my own key
balmy condor
and not "man they fucking suck"
blazing snow
people not looking at specs is how feral druids have snuck into keys for a while now
spare crow
they don't go looking at your spec
They don't? When I wanted to TRY outlaw in S2 I got called the N word
By a raid leader in pug
static glacier
People just don’t want to take a chance on an unknown variable even if it’s completely viable
balmy condor
fleet whale
Yeah but sin is currently ranked low in Sepulcher in pre-patch, clearly it's unplayable
/s
spare crow
static glacier
They don't? When I wanted to *TRY* outlaw in S2 I got called the N word
😱
static glacier
Any idea why IC specifically was buffed to 45s?
static glacier
Sin seemed to be doing fine with 1m
spare crow
Idk, maybe to line up w/ Exsang? I could be wrong
Whispyr might give u a better answer
fleet whale
they wanted to make it so that it doesn't line up with Deathmark anymore
to annoy Whispyr when people here ask when to use IC
balmy condor
Any idea why IC specifically was buffed to 45s?
realz said he got feedback that m+ pacing was better with 45 seconds and he didn't intend for the cooldown change to be an actual buff, just a feel thing
you're not going to IC at the end of a pack anyway
so I don't think it actually changes much
nocturne current
It's too messed up sync with 1 minute in packs. You end up having it halfway through a pack that's about to die, which feels odd and off most of times to use it, then you wait for it not to use it again in next pack which only has 2 mobs, etc..
balmy condor
you're just gonna hold it a couple seconds now
static glacier
Fair take, certainly does feel better. Now if only he could “buff” exsang out of the talent tree for feel 🙂
spare crow
nocturne current
Plus, in single-target is useless, so it seems fair the buff.
balmy condor
balmy condor
how does it being useless in single target warrant a cooldown decrease
static glacier
It buys you ST globals since you don’t waste time having to rupture stuff as often in say a raid fight
balmy condor
what
static glacier
Speaking of which any add waves that IC now lines up with?
regal sable
buff me 
nocturne current
There's just too many situations where it just stands useless for the content it was built for.
balmy condor
it was built for aoe was it not?
static glacier
It’s useful in aoe, especially intermittent waves of adds
nocturne current
Yeah, but purely fully AoE so.. 1 minute for a okay talent. Bit high uptime in my feeling playing it.
I have no problems it having less targets, but less cooldown.
oak sky
Our cds are omega binary
nocturne current
It's just the tab-targetting is a hassle.
oak sky
It is what it is
balmy condor
I don't understand what you're trying to argue anymore
static glacier
It’s supposed to remedy our lack of a bursty aoe cd like ravager and odyn’s fury for example
nocturne current
Nothing, just the 1 minute pacing seems off.
balmy condor
ok
static glacier
You wanted it to be longer than 1 min cd ? Bruh
balmy condor
I thought it was fine at 1:30 but needed help in other ways that increased the general aoe, and didn't just crank the cooldown for more casts
and then it went to 1 min and I got spooked
and now it's at 45 and I'm like okay this is a little ridiculous now
nocturne current
The only thing, from my feedback, is that now at 1 minute, there's quite some situations where it comes up and then you save it, but then realize you're better even saving it even for the next critical pack after, so it ends up being shitty to time it, either use it on a pack that doesn't really need cooldown or use it on cooldown and then not have it at all for the harder pack.
45 no need to think, just use.
gusty kestrel
and now it's at 45 and I'm like okay this is a little ridiculous now
maybe just make it 30? or just make it toggle like blade flurry 
nocturne current
45 is okay.
balmy condor
yeh I mean I don't doubt that 45 seconds fits better, but it's getting to the point where it's carrying all of our dotting single handedly
nocturne current
I mean, even 1 minute is okay, but 45 is definitely smoother.
balmy condor
relying on 1 cooldown to be up every pack to do anything
nocturne current
Oh but, I guess all classes are getting it.
Even boomkins got it.
I guess they went on a dumb-down the multi-dotting philosophy or something.
nocturne current
Yeah I totally like it. The old assassination dotting was bit mess.
Nah I'm happy, even with the 1 min. I'm just more happy even.
oak sky
I liked ic as a long cd because it felt strong but wasnt our rotation
Our rotation was still multidot
Now ic is our rotation
Spec just isnt designed for me in aoe it is what it is
Probably will still be fun just not what i want
oak sky
And its gonna be better for the masses
gusty kestrel
oak sky
So it was probably the right call
balmy condor
killing multi-dot is not the move long term
but this is a decent duct-tape until assassination can finally get a re-design
since the legion redesigns did nothing to fix the issues
sub got a full overhaul and complete ground up re-imagining
sin got....... shiv
I guess
the precursor of shiv
oak sky
U mean in legion
balmy condor
I did say legion
oak sky
Tbh sub got big aoe work from sl to now
oak sky
Sub aoe is gonna be litty in df
gusty kestrel
not a fan of utility being a dps cd
balmy condor
the whole sin problem is that it's just not designed in a way that allows a coherent gameplay in aoe/m+ without some thing that just obliterates the concept of the spec to begin with
like 8.3 echoing blades made it good in m+
but you just spammed fok and it was giga degenerate
twilit hollow
i love degeneracy though
nocturne current
But you still end up doing a lot of multi-dotting even with IC. Usually packs are going through 2-3 cycles of garrote. It's just the first one for free.
spare crow
i mean generally
balmy condor
good, you should be
nocturne current
Yep
spare crow
the other 2 specs have easy aoe
spare crow
so i don't think echoing blades was bad
oak sky
Bruh
balmy condor
so i don't think echoing blades was bad
it was very bad for the spec
nocturne current
It's a lot less dude, it's insane. Specially the opening is just crazy.
balmy condor
for a rogue to not spend combo points on a finisher
nocturne current
That was the only thing I was disliking in AoE Assa, is just the opening was soooo slow.
balmy condor
that's not okay
nocturne current
The initial setup was tears.
balmy condor
just spamming fok while overcapping over and over and over
should not be the gameplay
spare crow
for a rogue to not spend combo points on a finisher
I understand, thought that was just "different" but yeah maybe that was a toxic kind of different
yeah
my bad
oak sky
Spamming ct 
balmy condor
echoing blades is one of the most problematic things they have ever introduced to the spec
hands down
static glacier
killing multi-dot is not the move long term
What would be the move? Blizz has shown they understand that having purely dot dmg for aoe isn’t up to modern wow’s standards of m+ and changed feral, shadow, affli and sin to reduce setup / ramp up time
nocturne current
What would be the move? Blizz has shown they understand that having purely dot d...
Don't give them ideas.
spare crow
echoing blades is one of the most problematic things they have ever introduced t...
What about a talent that gave you a chance to proc echoing blades ONCE after a finisher?
balmy condor
What would be the move? Blizz has shown they understand that having purely dot d...
you can multi-dot and still have that
spare crow
would that be a good idea?
balmy condor
What about a talent that gave you a chance to proc echoing blades ONCE after a f...
yeah sure
nocturne current
Or we gonna end up with a Cleave muti or something.
balmy condor
empowered fan of knives after using 5 fan of knives or something
Id fuck with it
sure
spare crow
balmy condor
I worry about the "after a finisher" part being just "spam ct over and over, you need to fok for CP anyway to auto-consume the buff"
but the idea as a core sure
spare crow
So many interesting things can be done with this new talent structure
nocturne current
I guess that was more or less the idea they went with that talent that stacked up to 20 to do a super FoK, so I can see something like that yea.
static glacier
We going to CT st in df? Assuming we have the spell talented
oak sky
Lmao hb