assassination

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

@grizzled jay get back to gaslighting people that cov and legendary are gone

[uncut echo]

WHAT

[spice spire]

Tbh I respect that grustle

[uncut echo]

I'm not a sub >:[

[timid cloud]

Scared out of Yellow name too? Don’t think I didn’t notice…

[grizzled jay]

yeah sure

[spice spire]

This is going somewhere bad

[spice spire]

Brother it’s been a week

Post max stream hit diff

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

[timid cloud]

Oh I know. I was waiting. Biding my time.

ME

[uncut echo]

God I love Komi sm

[balmy condor]

you love commies?

[spice spire]

Was that English?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Brother we got the red scare in here? 🤨

[uncut echo]

[grizzled jay]

the upscaled level 60 mobs still drop linen cloth

[timid cloud]

Classic?

[grizzled jay]

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Can’t believe we’re gaslighting people out here like it’s 1913 unreal

[uncut echo]

I need a mythic eye of the jailer carry

With leather gloves to drop

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Last piece of rogue swt I need on myfic

[spice spire]

GL homie, would offer but we took a break until df 🙂

[timid cloud]

Wanna know something?

You can get the mythic Sep appearances by catalysting m0 gear.

From NW, HOA, etc.

Unless it got hot fixed today, but I highly doubt it.

Cause it’s been a thing for about 4 months now.

[spice spire]

Hacks wtf

But also good to know ty papi

[timid cloud]

Downside is, those offset pieces are still locked to the class.

So those Mystical Rygelon Monk offset boots elude me…

[uncut echo]

Wait wtf

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Wait

What the FUCK?

[timid cloud]

[uncut echo]

Cydone, ily if this works

[timid cloud]

It should. Shit. I’ll even join ya.

Are you NA?

[uncut echo]

I won't be on for a looong time :/

I am

[timid cloud]

RIP.

[uncut echo]

I can abuse a few guildies

[spice spire]

Sistren that’s

[timid cloud]

[uncut echo]

Not if they don't like it

[spice spire]

!!! Homie?

Also I’m heading home, please be good

[uncut echo]

LMAO

They like mog :(

[spice spire]

I’ll test too

[uncut echo]

Pls drive safe!! 🥰

[spice spire]

No

(It’s a mile walk to my car, no drive and message )

[timid cloud]

In the snow uphill with 30 pounds of gear on his back.

[strange python]

yo guys which are best looking badass daggers?

[faint harness]

the assassination mage tower artifact ones are quite nice

[stable igloo]

Can someone explain why they put assassination in S tier now? Based on conversations I read here it seemed like it was a meme spec and far inferior to outlaw.

[oak sky]

Buffs

[grim tangle]

sin rogue is far superior to outlaw.

[faint harness]

when something is buffed 15 times

in 3 weeks

it tend to eventually be good

or very good

[stable igloo]

I'm definitely all about it

I was kinda sorta considering playing WW but I've been dying for sin to be good

[strange python]

what do you mean?!!??!?!?!

[faint harness]

sin is usually good

so idk what uve been waiting for

unless ur talking m+ only

[stable igloo]

I'm talking m+.

[faint harness]

alright

[balmy condor]

it's not "far" inferior in m+, definitely still worse but 100% playable

but looking at overall pve, it smashes so hard in raids and single target

?

what does that even mean

[subtle kiln]

cat assa fever

[drifting light]

Whisp, would you have a guess around how much dps % would someone be gimping themselves to play dtb without sbs and exsang, and playing zold/imp poisons instead? Dont think u can go 3 zold, shrouded and blindside with dtb

[timid cloud]

I think he’s saying Feral is what Sin could be, if it was better in M+

[balmy condor]

in what situation

[timid cloud]

It has nearly the same theme of bleeds as we do, but just a better tree.

[drifting light]

St, using ER class tree and all the rest on ur dtb build

[opaque sky]

Damm "If you drop exsang (or iron wire, which you shouldn't, but I know you will)" Why you gotta call us out like that

[timid cloud]

.

[balmy condor]

I know my audience

[timid cloud]

Realz won’t listen to me. But he will listen to Whispyr.

[opaque sky]

Why would I want to silence something when I can do more damage and blame the other DPS

[timid cloud]

My pal is our voice.

[balmy condor]

so you want this?

[drifting light]

Thought of shrouded and 2/3 zold

[spice spire]

Can you blame him?

[timid cloud]

Yes. I can. Next question.

[balmy condor]

sure

[timid cloud]

That kinda sucks that VV is buns.

[drifting cloud]

how much dps loss is it if I dont wanna play 2 daggers

[timid cloud]

Ryler is typing…

It’s not a DPS loss. You become a Feral Druid smacking them your paws, or if you don’t want the FURRY option, you become a Windwalker Monk, so you actually do more!

Trust me, my sources? Correct.

[drifting light]

I assume MA, vv, and doom are garbage so I suggested imp poison as per your pin, but if u know of a better combo shoot it

[spice spire]

Why are you this way?

[balmy condor]

so this is the build you suggested

I'm running a big combo

to see if there's something better

[drifting light]

Ty king

[candid geyser]

EXSANG FOR LIFE

LOVE IT BOYS

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Okay but what if we snapshot PI with Exsang + deathmark 🤨

[timid cloud]

That one is open for a ripe meme.

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkx8Jyrf6bk

best profile to drop exsang on is 5.5%

nice

[drifting light]

second best is this?

[spice spire]

I verbally laughed

[balmy condor]

ye

[drifting light]

Tyvm

6% is the price of being boomer

[teal bloom]

That doesn't have cut to the chase

I am exsang hater and in shambles

[peak bobcat]

exsang not that bad

[spice spire]

We want to do damage
No not like that

[burnt latch]

Whats the command for dummy health (execute) on raidbots

[peak bobcat]

I’ll press whatever they want as long as I can play assas on prog

Dagger rogue is the only rogue

[timid cloud]

No problem.

[timid cloud]

I damage dealer. Increase damage. No add button bloat that has hidden mechanic in game that isn’t written down specifically & isn’t out of the way or objectively clunky in my rotation. ONLY damage.

[spice spire]

It’s enemy_initial_health_percentage=35

I’m pretty sure

[burnt latch]

okay pog thank u king

now i need to talk to the meatheads

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

find some warrior thats smart enough to use the website

[spice spire]

Mister warcieft has left us

[burnt latch]

i want to compare assa execute vs warrior

so need numbers from the brownies

theyre very hands on people

so this will be difficult

[spice spire]

I’m pretty sure @balmy condor said it’s like, a lot better

(Sin)

[burnt latch]

yeah but I need actual numbers from different scenarios

im fighting to secure a raid spot as rogue

[spice spire]

I c

[burnt latch]

need to have evidence

[spice spire]

Gl mister warcieft

Fighting the good fight

[burnt latch]

thank you sir

will report the results here

[spice spire]

Bless up

[balmy condor]

@burnt latch sin gains 30% from out of execute to in execute

can't speak for warrior

[regal sable]

did they break something on sin

the garrote buffs are much more noticeable than i thought on live

[burnt latch]

yeah I ran the assa sims

now need the comparison

warriors lazy

[balmy condor]

(it's less)

[balmy condor]

in what way

[regal sable]

like add an extra 0 to garrote multi or something

[balmy condor]

seems fine to me

I did a dungeon and garrote was fine

[burnt latch]

yeah I know but how much less is important

[balmy condor]

they probably gain like 20-25%

[eager sorrel]

It's a lot, execute starts around 3 mins

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gNCcfQhDp6n7RJ29#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=120&target=121

[obtuse robin]

[balmy condor]

that's from october king

[burnt latch]

is that an educated guess or have u seen sims?

[balmy condor]

educated guess from word on the street

[burnt latch]

fair

[strange python]

im using the m+ build, do we shiv on cooldown in single target? after opner

[eager sorrel]

Iirc it ate a ~4% nerf since then but they buffed the mortal strike bonus damage by 5%.

[balmy condor]

I have been told it has gotten obliterated since then

[balmy condor]

you hold both charges for kingsbane

[burnt latch]

what was the command line for power infusion

for raid bots

[strange python]

prepatch talents so no kingsbane

[balmy condor]

oh

[strange python]

unless the aoe build is different from the one in wowhead

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't care just push the button

whatever you wanna do

prepatch is a memefest shitshow

nothing you do matters

go nuts

[balmy condor]

external_buffs.power_infusion

[burnt latch]

do I have to set it manually where I want it to cast

[balmy condor]

yeh

[burnt latch]

or is it smart and knows it

[balmy condor]

in seconds

[drifting cloud]

word on the street is youve got a fat cock

[balmy condor]

street is correct

[burnt latch]

okay so for a 1 minute sim id imagine somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds ?

[balmy condor]

with exsang?

[burnt latch]

from pull

[strange python]

i dont know what the fuck im doing half the time and yet i do same dps as my outlaw bis spec

[balmy condor]

10

[burnt latch]

alright

cheers

[spice spire]

[faint harness]

bless

[drifting cloud]

this herbie guy simming pi before xpac is even live smh

[faint harness]

see the dagger light

[balmy condor]

reverse has been true from assassination to outlaw for the last 3 expansions

welcome to role reversal

[burnt latch]

if we have the best execute theres also a good shot we are the best PI for execute

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

man

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

[strange python]

IC is such a fun button

[balmy condor]

good cope mr warcieft

[burnt latch]

i mean ull never know if u dont test

fishing for a lil infusion here

[balmy condor]

haste is our 3rd best stat

but yeah

go for it

pog

[strange python]

whats our stat priorities?

[balmy condor]

crit mast

[faint harness]

crit mastery gang

[balmy condor]

haste is fine

but you don't want to stack it

you just get some passive haste from random piece

and then gg

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aBBQ469UMZoDmqPGVXao7X https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wibawiaNeWn6MbrSWHpS57 yeah I think it will be staying with the warlocks LMAO

[balmy condor]

in m+ you play haste/mast

[burnt latch]

thats not a very big gain

[faint harness]

fuck PI

[burnt latch]

agreed

[faint harness]

leave the cringe externals to the cringe specs

[drifting cloud]

that number almost looks to small

even if im expecting to be almost nothing

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm not sure I believe that number

[spice spire]

But subtlety always clowning smh

[burnt latch]

its during lust

[white orchid]

Getting summer buff from Paladin at least lol

[burnt latch]

so DR'd a lot ig

[balmy condor]

% gains don't DR bozo

[burnt latch]

oh

never got PI how would i know

[drifting cloud]

yeah I totally knew that

[burnt latch]

😢

[faint harness]

CONTEXT QUAKERS?

[balmy condor]

the only thing that stat DR's is raw number stat gains

like a trinket that gives 3000 haste

that DR's

25% from PI does not DR

[burnt latch]

this is how I input it

[faint harness]

it is getting PI

but its perhaps on pull

[balmy condor]

yeah it's good

you did good

I feel like it should be more though

idk

I guess it doesn't matter cause you just exsang it and it's gone instantly anyway

[lime junco]

anybody have a general tricks macro for any party lead?

[drifting cloud]

doesnt work in prepatch anymore I think, or was it fixed again

[spice spire]

That was meant to be big

Holy moly

I enjoy the meme at this point

[faint harness]

i am glad you can enjoy my misery

[faint harness]

mouseover always bis

you can send it on ppl you want to kill

etc

its very cool

[spice spire]

I don’t I’m just imagining you as a propagandist and it’s jarring

Bizarre humor

[faint harness]

technically it is my job description, loosely explained

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iq6RfFNgcrRJXujaCn26kw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h3SmapvjVSYWJG5UBXirTD why is the difference between my ST sim and execute sim so little

what am i doing wrong

[faint harness]

have a sauna session

and think about it

[burnt latch]

the ST shouldnt be that high

my sauna shift is on friday

[faint harness]

[drifting cloud]

doesnt normal sim also include execute

[balmy condor]

yeah

you just ran a normal patchwerk sim

[drifting cloud]

I wouldn call 15% small difference

[balmy condor]

also the ilevel scaling doesn't work in expert put it in the custom apl

[burnt latch]

ohh right

dude i stg im so thankful for rh

is real in warrior discord

"ye its good"

[drifting cloud]

realz is just big hxh fan so he buffed execute personally, this is factual you cant convince me otherwise

[burnt latch]

realz a real one

[teal bloom]

What would be the point in being an assassin if you couldn't even execute your targets

[peak bobcat]

based

[burnt latch]

wait how do i do this

i just keep getting the same dps as a result

[balmy condor]

hm

your number sucks then

idk

probably just gear

[burnt latch]

slapped it here

[balmy condor]

yah nvm

it works

[burnt latch]

ye my gears like

[balmy condor]

your gear just trash

carry on

[burnt latch]

giga not optimized

just took some random gear on to check % differences

[cerulean nest]

whisp if that faq tab isnt updated soon I swear...

I'm gonna be okay with it and continue waiting patiently

[vernal adder]

DF isnt out yet

[balmy condor]

yeah don't count on it before like next friday

it's basically the pins until then

[uncut echo]

Ok, having finally played sin for myself

this shit kinda hits different

[gusty mirage]

I'm reformed on exsang

I've seen the light

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

It's kinda whatever

[balmy condor]

where's the real oxi

this imposter

[gusty mirage]

EXECUTE DAMAGE

[balmy condor]

isn't my oxi

[gusty mirage]

YUGE

MAKE DOTS TICK FASTER

also I can't wait for flag to go the fuck away

[balmy condor]

oxi left and never came back

the oxi that came back is an imposter

[uncut echo]

i think outlaw coulda used flag

tbh

[gusty mirage]

I think outlaw could use being tossed in the trash

[uncut echo]

cringe take

[balmy condor]

correct take

[peak bobcat]

Flag is fucking terrible

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[uncut echo]

objective as fuck

[peak bobcat]

S(t)epsis is based

Flag worst covenant ability

[rancid crypt]

what will these buffs mean to sin in m+? fan o knives buffed. Sin still trash in M+ or?

[balmy condor]

the only thing I like in this world is DAMAGE

[balmy condor]

sin is good

[idle shard]

so duskwalker still not working right

why I see some people on wcl using that leggo

[drifting cloud]

because its working

[peak bobcat]

or no?

[balmy condor]

[peak bobcat]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

BACK TO THE TOP OF THE LIST BOYS

[peak bobcat]

Smh head

[balmy condor]

reorganized the pins like 2 days ago

[idle shard]

😦

sorry lmao

[balmy condor]

guess I was naïve

[gusty mirage]

sepsis is actually trash tier

[peak bobcat]

Still better than flag

[drifting cloud]

think Ive played nf a total of 1 boss kill this xpac

[gusty mirage]

true

[rancid crypt]

You mean sin is good now, or getting good with these buffs/getting "alot" better in M+? So its viable in m+ now mid high keys?

[peak bobcat]

It’s actually good

[balmy condor]

it's always been viable in mid high keys

it's competitive to outlaw now

[spice spire]

So you’re an Exsang enjoyer 🤨

[balmy condor]

also idk what the difference is between "good now" and "getting good with these buffs"

we have all the buffs

they're all live

the buffs are "now"

[peak bobcat]

Not enough talent points

[balmy condor]

man fuck prepatch

[spice spire]

Getting good in df/dn worse than outlaw right meow

[balmy condor]

I'm tired of talking about prepatch

[ruby birch]

are you

[spice spire]

But what if I find an LBE gain one more time for posterity sake

[balmy condor]

I was tired talking about prepatch 2 weeks ago

why do people give a shit

who cares

[ruby birch]

idk i log in for 1 hour a week

[balmy condor]

it's 0 content

[idle shard]

lmao

[balmy condor]

0 progression

you don't need the gear

[drifting cloud]

can I get some torghast sims

for my veilstrider

[balmy condor]

all the tuning is whack

[ruby birch]

i need the gold

[obtuse robin]

but but but 4 affixes next week

[balmy condor]

you have a mess of shadowlands and dragonflight systems together

[obtuse robin]

[balmy condor]

like

what's the point

IS DUSKWALKER FIXED IS DUSKWALKER FIXED WHISPYR IS DUSKWALKER FIXED

no and I don't care

leave me alone pls

[idle shard]

sorry guys I caused this

[ruby birch]

just play random shit because no matter what you do as a rogue, 1 boomkin starsurge gonna do 5x your dps

[balmy condor]

stop talking about prepatch

fucking dogshit prepatch raiders

thinking they're hot shit

[obtuse robin]

?

lol

[hard grail]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-worried-anxious-scared-gif-17776670

[ruby birch]

im hot shit

[balmy condor]

NEED MAX DPS

[ruby birch]

im so hot

[balmy condor]

FOR MY TRIPLE AFFIX SANCTUM RUN

[ruby birch]

quadruple you mean

[balmy condor]

can't be fucked man

[peak bobcat]

Sin is going to be the #1 dps spec in the game in 10.0

[drifting cloud]

sounds like a gromnak clip

[ruby birch]

its 4 now

[peak bobcat]

Sources cause I said so

[balmy condor]

why cant I play DTB in prepatch guys

cause it's a meme patch

[ruby birch]

im considering trying assa in DF

it looks a lot more fun than assa was

last time i touched this spec was in nathria

[balmy condor]

waking up to 7 dm's about why my original wowhead talent page didn't include kingsbane

so I had to add a kingsbane build

jesus christ

I fucking hate the community sometimes

[obtuse robin]

someone give whispyr a hot choclate

[ruby birch]

i looked at the wowhead talent recommendation

didnt see kingsbane, took it anyways

[spice spire]

Sometimes he needs to vent it out

I can’t imagine the DMs this man deals with

[drifting cloud]

wasnt there a kb build on wowhead

or was that the 70 one

[balmy condor]

there was, 3 days after the guide went live

[ruby birch]

i play what i want

[drifting cloud]

oh I see

[balmy condor]

cause I got spam dm'd about WHY NO KINGSBANE

WHY AMP

WHY THIS

SBS? NO SEPSIS?

ER?

I had a copy paste every morning ready to go hold on

[subtle kiln]

i need to know how to carry the 14 evokers in heroic this week. please save me and tell me bis.

[ruby birch]

my guild literally only had one evoker

was honestly a surprise

[subtle kiln]

28 in heroic is awful

[uncut echo]

ill dm you whispyr

[split maple]

I think we had 4. they recruited a warrior to tank for them and went off into the sunset.

honestly low. thought we'd have like 20

[balmy condor]

I have written the reasoning for all the choices in the guide, please go read them again first. If you asked about kingsbane, there is no build currently because I wanted to create a more well balanced build. The new talent pages are meant to be used and explored with. I am merely offering suggestions, since you don't need to min-max for prepatch. Have fun with the talents, pick what is interesting to you, and I hope it helps. Thank you

[ruby birch]

honestly the new talent system is supposed to make things lenient

[balmy condor]

I spammed that

in like

[rancid crypt]

im on EU, servers down... 🤒

[balmy condor]

85 dms

[ruby birch]

people are pressed about 2% dps optimization over a utility talent

[balmy condor]

okay well when the servers come up they will be live

[ruby birch]

in content that doesnt even matter

[balmy condor]

one guy sent me a whole like 3 paragraph explanation

and I'm like can you TLDR

and he goes "can I play sepsis instead of sbs"

and I just hit him with a "idk can you"

he blocked me

[split maple]

That's the thing that kills me. It's not even like we're sitting whatever the "final raid tier" was for pre-patch. It's like 3 raids, that you've seen and done before. Some years ago now. Why do people care so much about the weirdo month where half the shit is either bonkers broke or bugged to hell and back????

[peak bobcat]

Honestly a dub for you

Especially if you never read what he said to begin with

[balmy condor]

I skimmed it

it was this long winded explanation about his ilvl and what content he does and how a little bit of a dps drop doesn't matter for heroic raids and even in the first mythic bosses since he's not CE and he wants sepsis for the m+ bosses because low keys and things die and he plays with his friend who's a mage and that does burst and he doesn't and blah blah blah

[peak bobcat]

I feel your pain now

Almost fell asleep reading that

[balmy condor]

I wake up with like 10-15 people in dms every day, about 50-80 messages total

and I just

I'm not reading a 3 minute short story about your daily wow routine

I'm sorry

[drifting cloud]

it was me btw

[peak bobcat]

[peak bobcat]

Blue name

Sus

[balmy condor]

blue name sus, yellow name sus, red name sus

[drifting cloud]

my names been blue since 2017

[balmy condor]

green name sus cause why aren't you a normal color

orange name sus cause why aren't there more of you

[peak bobcat]

They can’t take the abuse

[balmy condor]

purple name sus cause why don't you talk

[peak bobcat]

They’re ERPing their role

Rogue fantasy

[spice spire]

I’m also into ERP

(Extreme raid progression)

[peak bobcat]

[drifting cloud]

is extreme a fated affix?

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s the highest difficulty (the affix where you show up)

[uncut echo]

is extreme an instrument

[spice spire]

Anything can be an instrument if you believe

[drifting cloud]

🤨

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Egotistical Raid Parsing

[spice spire]

Toxic

Mage main!

[balmy condor]

https://imgur.com/d4eVfF6

[spice spire]

Bro if one more mf meows in vc imma lose it

(My sanity)

[balmy condor]

(your nut)

(you're gonna lose nnn)

[twin pivot]

😳

[spice spire]

Don’t even joke about the holiest month of the year brethren

[subtle kiln]

I need a hug. Lords with 28 people

[spice spire]

Haven’t even sinned and held Val’s hand this month

[spice spire]

Nah you need god for that one homie

Gl

[balmy condor]

I suggest not hugging people on lords

[spice spire]

Hug only if they have green circles around them

[balmy condor]

wait

no

don't do that

he boutta spread that shit through the entire melee

[feral rivet]

the more the merrier

sharing is caring

[spice spire]

Amen

[viscid spear]

[subtle kiln]

everyone gets to be green

[smoky sandal]

If you guys had to put $5 on wich melee will be top ST dps in DF, who'd ya choose?

[dire lake]

M+ or raid?

Ah I’m dumb

Too early for me

[spice spire]

I’m not a betting man

[static glacier]

This is so impossible

[dire lake]

I will be that guy: feral Druid, but just for a few weeks until blizz nerfs them

[static glacier]

Fight length?

[hard grail]

Thats hard

[celest ruin]

warlock in melee range

[hard grail]

If I had to guess, forced to guess

[spice spire]

Real

[hard grail]

I would say.... feral

feral kinda blasts

[static glacier]

Feral already loses to sin st

What are you on

[hard grail]

wait

[static glacier]

Feral at current tuning isn’t that strong st anymore

[hard grail]

oh i saw the guy say m+

he said m+ or raid, but that wasnt he asked the question

maybe sin tbh, if it has execute

[static glacier]

In m+ answer is easily havoc if it doesn’t get nerfed to oblivion otherwise ww or fury

Maybe outlaw

[dire lake]

Ey yo. I alread said it’s too early for me. Sorry ._.

[hard grail]

lol np

not your fault

[spice spire]

It has really strong execute

[hard grail]

im saying the fight has good execute

i know sin does

haha

[spice spire]

Oh even if not, st is pumped

I’m concerned

Blue shell moment

[hard grail]

I mean a heroism/lust during sub 35% execute

[static glacier]

I low-key suspect UH might end up strong ST, it’s baseless speculation though

[hard grail]

sin would absolutely BLAST

[hard grail]

I thought of this too, and is possible, but FULLY revolves around fight length for UH, do they get 2nd army and then fight ends? etc

UH all CD's

[static glacier]

Prime PI abusers

[hard grail]

but if fight length matched UH's CD you could be right

I dont know if true

but I had a guildee tell me that

full, pure ST Ret paladin can hard pump

i havent played it

[static glacier]

Feels like hard cope but who knows

[spice spire]

Cope. Seethe. Mald.

[obtuse robin]

how can ret pump its swamp ass

[hard grail]

doesnt ret actually scale well really early in xpac because of crusade and seraphim?

so many stats free when you have no stats

[static glacier]

The baseline dmg historically hasn’t been there so even if their CDs give a lot of free % dmg modifiers it’s not topping

[smoky sandal]

Hmm hows sin for aoe/m+? ass?

[hard grail]

not ass at all

indiscrim carnage OP

[spice spire]

It’s good

[dense cedar]

it can make many bleeds happen

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rbAaNyJg1Gf2Um2iYK5iRD why does the APL cast agi pot on 1 sec

shouldnt it press it with exsang

[balmy condor]

it lasts 25 seconds

[balmy condor]

he said the scale word

[somber hill]

Does deathmark only duplicate the bleeds that are already on target (i.e. if I pressed rup with deathmark active will it duplicate that rupture or is it already too late?)

[hard grail]

youd have exsang up during your pot if you arent trolling anyways

[balmy condor]

it will

it duplicates the gar/rup on the target, as well as any gar/rup cast during it

all the duplicated stuff drops when deathmark drops

[somber hill]

ok so it would be ok to death-->van-->gar vs van-->gar-->rup depending on whats on target/falling off

[burnt latch]

would it not do more damage on these globals than in the start when its setting up bleeds

[balmy condor]

I mean

probably

does it matter

the agi pot lasts all of deathmark, all of kingsbane, all of exsang

[burnt latch]

ye no clue on how big of a difference that actually makes, probably not big

[balmy condor]

is 1 ambush better than 1 slice cast

probably

but I don't think it matters at all

[hard grail]

for duplicating optimally with exsang, would you not rupture, garrote > pandemic rupture > pandemic garrote > exsang?

[balmy condor]

you would

[hard grail]

gotcha

[silk linden]

@balmy condor are we using exsang on cooldown? don't we delay either exsang or deathmark to pair them up?

[balmy condor]

on cooldown

[silk linden]

if you expect it's your last usage of both cds I guess you wait to sync them up, right?

[balmy condor]

1 cast synced to things that increase damage is indeed more damage than 1 cast not synced to things that increase damage

you're correct

[silk linden]

kk, it seems obvious but you never know

thanks

any idea how good our 2 target and 3T is compared to the other specs? (stacked cleave)

I'm thinking of tauren boss mostly in new raid

[balmy condor]

Idk how it is to other specs

But we’ve been traditionally very good at those situations

Always competitive to outlaw on low target counts

[idle shard]

yo was there a guide for what to buy with the dinar tokens?

[balmy condor]

2 edge of nights and a trinket

[smoky sandal]

EoN gonna finally be donezo by 70 right

I'm gonna be malding if it finds a way to live on

[balmy condor]

it'll probably live into dungeon week if the effect isn't disabled

[smoky sandal]

Jesus

[thorn crater]

what trinket though

2 weeks trinket

super important decision

its not like its getting replaced with a green at the start of december

[balmy condor]

I recommended like 5

in my guide at the time

[thorn crater]

useful as always

i asked for one mr strumer

[balmy condor]

scars, fusion amp, decanter, cache, chain

[thorn crater]

i took decanter, used upgrade on it and got the drop th next day

feelsgood

how u feelin

u raiding with the buffs?

[balmy condor]

I did not raid season 4

and I do not plan to start now

[drifting cloud]

2 more weeks of fun

get your portals!

[balmy condor]

I will not be returning to the shadowlands

[obtuse robin]

whispyr talking pre patch

[balmy condor]

I logged in

[thorn crater]

i mena in beta man

[balmy condor]

did the quests

logged out

[thorn crater]

now that the changes are in

[balmy condor]

wdym am I raiding with the buffs

[thorn crater]

so yday i asked what the whole wowhead thing meant

and oxi told me that it means they are implementing the beta buffs on live iwth this cycle

[balmy condor]

yeah

[thorn crater]

so that means that u are just getting them on beta right?

and see how it does in teh raids

or did i misunderstand

[balmy condor]

what

beta was a cycle ahead

and had all the buffs and stuff

that weren't on live

[thorn crater]

oh i guess i misunderstood

live means the prepatch

[balmy condor]

they spliced all the changes into live

ye

[thorn crater]

i thought it was a tuning thing that wasnt in the game yet, just available for the nightly sims and stuff

so people couldnt play with the execute phase thing with other classes

[balmy condor]

if it isn't in game

how could it be in sims

[thorn crater]

i have NO fuckin idea

[balmy condor]

neither do I

[thorn crater]

maybe code change?

in raidbots itself?

for announced changes?

that are not in yet?

[balmy condor]

raidbots is just an interface to simulationcraft

[thorn crater]

i have no experience or knowledge with that kind of stuff thats why i asked

cause i was confused

[balmy condor]

simulationcraft and wowhead both datamine their spell data bases by scrubbing the game data

[thorn crater]

and oxi's answer confused me more so i didnt wanna say more then 😛

bruh

my degrees are in psychology and law

i have no idea how these htings work

[balmy condor]

basically game gets a change -> the code changes in game -> all the external sites see the code change and pull that data into their own data

[ruby birch]

My degree is in integrated biomedical mechanical engineering

[thorn crater]

ok cheers

so people have raided with the buffs and it comes ahead

which means tunneling boss is gonna be ok?

[balmy condor]

I guess sure

[thorn crater]

thats actualy pretty sick ngl

[smoky sandal]

My degree is in turtle slamming

[hard grail]

Does fatal concoction effect KB?

it says weapon poisons, but KB text says "a poison from your weapons"

[oak sky]

no

[hard grail]

kk

ty

[balmy condor]

KB is an old tooltip, in general any talent with "weapon poison" or "poisons" is referring to deadly/amp/instant poison

zoldyck is very unclear but affects the same stuff as lethal dose typically

[hard grail]

Gotcha, thank you

[balmy condor]

mastery is also in a similar boat

envenom is affected alongside poisons and bleeds

[hard grail]

I was surprised that KB + DTB doesn’t play better

Sim*

Especially since DTB sims well alone

[oak sky]

kb+dtb doesnt exist

[royal lantern]

^

[hard grail]

Oh, you can’t do it?

[royal lantern]

no

[hard grail]

I saw IC + KB

And assumed

Same point count

Gotcha, so that’s why

I assumed if you could get Ic + KB you could get DTB + Kb

[royal lantern]

dtb would DOUBLE kb dmg

[balmy condor]

poison bomb is 2 points when shrouded/blindside/tiny toxic are 1 point

specifically to block DTB + another capstone

you are exactly 1 point short from taking DTB with another capstone

and that's by design because it would simply be overpoweringly strong

[jade abyss]

[balmy condor]

you would play KB+DTB in any raid situation, and IC+DTB in any mythic+ situation

and nothing would ever change about that, ever

you would be hard locked into those until the end of time

[jade abyss]

Give us kingsbane baseline

[balmy condor]

????????

[royal lantern]

instead we are hard locked into exsang

🙂

[balmy condor]

not really but okay

[royal lantern]

leme hate exsang

Big dummy

[jade abyss]

Try to love exsang 🤔

[dense cedar]

we'd get gutted for it but

I'd love to see that DTB + KB damage in raid

[balmy condor]

no

DTB is boring

[dense cedar]

kb isn't tho

[balmy condor]

you can already play KB

and you get double poisons with deathmark

close your eyes and pretend

it's the same thing

[dense cedar]

quadruple poison kb

[balmy condor]

damage chasers

[dense cedar]

hunter emote...

[balmy condor]

better?

[dense cedar]

yes

Survival pretty cool tho

gotta give hunters that

[fallen arch]

If we dont spec into exsang we pick ttb right?

[balmy condor]

ttb or ip

yes

[fallen arch]

How much is that loss

[balmy condor]

bout 4-5%

[fallen arch]

Fuck that

That’s quite a lot

[balmy condor]

yeah

I haven't had time to really see why

[fallen arch]

So I cry nonetheless

Or I play exsang while tears roll down my face

[balmy condor]

I would think it would be less than that

[fallen arch]

Or I lose out in 5% dps

[balmy condor]

but I couldn't find anything wrong with the sims on first glance

at first I thought playing shrouded + exsang was maybe wrecking the vanish conditionals

and just not casting vanish

but that didn't seem to be the case either

so idk

I have another way to check

hold on

I told myself I would write guides today

smh

now I get to chase phantoms instead

cause they bother me

yeah okay that's dumb

[dense cedar]

...

[vestal wren]

you can justify it with needing to know for the guides 🙂

[balmy condor]

-4% is completely reasonable

because not taking anything to replace exsang

is -8% apparently

[balmy condor]

yeah definitely need to know this to write my "why you should play assassination rogue" article

you should play assassination because you have POWERFUL COOLDOWNS

like EXSANGUINATE

[vestal wren]

yes

[balmy condor]

I hate it here

[vestal wren]

you need to embrace the pain

but on the bright side

you don't need to skip utility for like 4%+ dps

[balmy condor]

true

I need to skip cooldowns for 4%+ dps

for my own sanity

[vestal wren]

no cheat death, no shadow step sub rogue

sounds reasonable to me

[balmy condor]

you have the newly buffed soothing darkness

30% on shadow dance

thats potent

very useful

[vestal wren]

now we would just need to talent shadow dance

[balmy condor]

take the second dance charge

to use as a defense

[vestal wren]

might as well pack in the shroud speed buff

for utility

[balmy condor]

yes of course

helps you move out of the abilities

that will one shot you

because you don't have cheat

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

you say "no cheat sucks"

I just say it's a buff to every other defensive

change your perspective

dude these fucking exsang numbers make sense and I hate it

[steel ridge]

aua

[dense cedar]

exsang really isn't the worst button in the world at least

[balmy condor]

aua indeed brudi

[steel ridge]

8%

that hurts

[raven knoll]

With exang we are doing good damage. Just act like it doesnt exist so we get buffed.

[balmy condor]

rupture loses almost 3.5k dps

when you drop exsang

holy monkas

[steel ridge]

is that the kingsbane execute build?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vestal wren]

more rupture = good 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeah turns out more ticks = better

[steel ridge]

who would have thought

[balmy condor]

goes from 172 ticks to 246 ticks on average

that's insane

[steel ridge]

is kingsbane now ahead of dtb or still margin of error?

[jade abyss]

Pls dont say brudi diggih....

[balmy condor]

schnauze

[balmy condor]

margin

[subtle tundra]

What if exsang gets deleted and they don't need to nerf our st

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

yeah thats the nerf we want

no exsang 😄

[jade abyss]

Pff

[vestal wren]

wonder if rupture still does more damage on sub

[balmy condor]

DPE check fuu

you first

[raven knoll]

give exsang to sub thats right

[balmy condor]

I'm pulling out the execute sim

just to make sure

[earnest remnant]

sub is like 300k or smth like that with DB

[balmy condor]

that I win the DPE battle

[balmy condor]

wait

that's dummy thick

[dense cedar]

Rupture is everyone's favourite rogue ability

[balmy condor]

if it's 300k DPE

I can't compete

[balmy condor]

oh my god

[vestal wren]

its not 300k tho

[balmy condor]

rupture in AN EXECUTE SIM WITH TRIPLE ZOLDYCK

is 270

but it's okay, I still win

I just gotta pull out the juicers

[vestal wren]

now we just don't let the #assassination people know about this rupture secret

[balmy condor]

how did this happen

[earnest remnant]

there is a sim with 300k

[balmy condor]

now we just need sub multistrike back

replace rotten with sinister calling

rupture to the moon

[vestal wren]

i think the sim is not using replicating

so could be even higher with

[earnest remnant]

yep its not

[earnest remnant]

so 30% more you can add

[balmy condor]

aight

[earnest remnant]

or is it 20

[balmy condor]

8 target 45 second execute carnage sim

SURELY

[vestal wren]

well tis more than 30%

[earnest remnant]

plus minus amps

[vestal wren]

because the 30% also get the shadow boost

[jade abyss]

Hahaha

[vestal wren]

oh wait, baseline is also with that, so should be flat 30%

[balmy condor]

I WILL WIN

[earnest remnant]

lust all cds

hit em wit it

[vestal wren]

one of the initial round of DF changes for subtlety

was this one

[balmy condor]

I have unleashed titans

[vestal wren]

going from "no rupture on high targets" to "a lot of rupture"

[balmy condor]

upon the earth

wait

[obtuse robin]

ayoooo

[balmy condor]

I forgot to take carnage

hol up

[earnest remnant]

fuu drop our 8 target 45 sec sim

[balmy condor]

ASCEND

I MUST ASCEND

[vestal wren]

forgot to login to raidbots

XD

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/aa-aaa-cat-hi-gif-14227049

[subtle tundra]

execute 8t 30 seconds

[balmy condor]

FURTHER BEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOND

[obtuse robin]

[balmy condor]

RISE

GROW

[earnest remnant]

we have one thats like 333k 8 target 5 min

[bold drum]

ripping threat from the tanks in an entirely different instance

[jade abyss]

That cat gifs are killing me

[bold drum]

should have seen the arms discord yday

[steel ridge]

whisp has gone mad

[balmy condor]

god himself cannot stop me now

[bold drum]

they had to ban a gif of a cat perma using slam

bc it got spammed for like 2 hrs

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1010998455424004137/carnagebuffwhen.gif

[jade abyss]

This made my day

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9FgcuUDtJq9uw84SJC1r9p

tbh thats not even that bad

[earnest remnant]

EXPLOSION

[dense cedar]

it was a good gif too

[vestal wren]

for a 8 target 40 sec sim

[bold drum]

it was

[obtuse robin]

k someone do outlaw now

[bold drum]

[jade abyss]

Pls stop i cry 🤣

[dense cedar]

smh should've made carnage uncapped 40y

[bold drum]

24 hr dung slice outlaw sim

[balmy condor]

I made that gif early in beta

when carnage was like

10 yards

and didn't hit shit

[bold drum]

thats where we ascend

[vestal wren]

also smooth damage curve

[subtle tundra]

yooooour mom

[vestal wren]

i assume i could pad more

by removing wm and adding tornado

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

please dont break whiuspar

he can cry

[vestal wren]

btw. whispyr, idk if you saw

[obtuse robin]

should of seen him broken earlier

[vestal wren]

but we have a unholy cb tech

[obtuse robin]

over pre patch questions

[balmy condor]

oh no

no more cb

[unborn oasis]

Do we send exang on cd?

[balmy condor]

yes we do

[earnest remnant]

between globals CB

[vestal wren]

wdym no more

[obtuse robin]

went o na rant for like an hour

[vestal wren]

it slowly crawls to be good

[balmy condor]

I have

[oak sky]

cold blood exists 😢

[balmy condor]

no interest

in cb

[bold drum]

cb

[vestal wren]

but this one is nice

[subtle tundra]

cock blood

[vestal wren]

you cb after secret in dance

[balmy condor]

AFTER?

[vestal wren]

and wait for 3rd secret hit

yes

right after

[balmy condor]

oh my god

[vestal wren]

because

[balmy condor]

it's staggered

[vestal wren]

the clones get the crit

[earnest remnant]

clone snapshot

[vestal wren]

but don't consume the buff

[bold drum]

this truly is unholy

[balmy condor]

get me out

[subtle tundra]

its sub

[vestal wren]

i think it could be even more damage

[bold drum]

[vestal wren]

if we shift secret to be used as 2nd finisher in dance

[balmy condor]

[jade abyss]

We need a exsang cat

[vestal wren]

sub has all sort of fun things

[balmy condor]

we need to scrub the APL of all forbidden technology

and sweep everything under the rug