assassination

[uncut echo]

Sepsis is good

[dense cedar]

make it quite nice for aoe

and okayish gain on st with its regular effect

[subtle kiln]

just like ER?

[dense cedar]

insane post

[peak bobcat]

Remove exsang replace with Sepsis

[honest vessel]

[subtle kiln]

sub will accept that trade

[dense cedar]

replace exsang with expose armour

[subtle kiln]

no take backs

[dense cedar]

amirite gamers

[hearty junco]

i just tried assa and it is prob the worst spec i have ever tried, it has become insanely button bloated since i played it in BFA, there is like 14 buttons in the rotation and it doesnt feel good pressing any of them. sorry for fuming but dear gawd

[tacit oar]

at 70 I'll have 4 more keys to press

[tacit oar]

just wait you have more in 2 weeks

[hearty junco]

i played on beta

[tacit oar]

oh yeah that explains

[hearty junco]

those abilities are accounted for

[subtle kiln]

wait til you add your trinkets, the new interact keybind and whatever gets added in 10.1

[tacit oar]

dunno where I'll find room in my bars

[dense cedar]

rogue bars were already kinda empty anyways

[uncut echo]

Delete rogue

[hearty junco]

wait

what button is that?

what does it do

[dense cedar]

maybe not too many comfy keybind left for some tho

[dense cedar]

can press button instead of clicking

[subtle kiln]

wdym?

[dense cedar]

preferrence option basically

[subtle kiln]

it's on beta. look at something (target, fishing pool, w/e) and it interacts with it

[hearty junco]

i thought there would be some kind of new mechanic with a new button that is always pressable

[spice spire]

No man wtf

[hearty junco]

delete assa and restart

[spice spire]

No man

[dense cedar]

for all the rogue bashing we do, most of the time when I play any other classes for more than an hour i just go "wow this is shit" and jump back on my rogue

[spice spire]

We also self loathe

[subtle kiln]

just give sub exsang since you all are ungrateful of this fine ability in here

[spice spire]

That’s a feature, not a bug

[spice spire]

Yes man

[dense cedar]

the real truth is everyone here talking about rogue has a duplicate person in a different class discord acting identical just about that class instead

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[dense cedar]

everyone hates their wow main

especially mages and warlocks tho

:)

[subtle kiln]

sub can go further down the S&M spec fantasy

[spice spire]

Literal hero class suck unreal

[spice spire]

Down the

[tacit oar]

got some rooms for DF

[dense cedar]

why do u ahve

dismantle

[drifting light]

If one wanted to go boomer fewer buttons with DTB and without exsang and sbs, how much % dmg would be thrown out? And what best pssives would be as replacement, zold and what?

[dense cedar]

oh the trinkets

[tacit oar]

it's good in pvp

[dense cedar]

ur on ur pvp setup

[tacit oar]

y

[vast loom]

you are missing DN

[tacit oar]

I'm playing both contents

[dense cedar]

is pvp talent setup as button heavy?

[subtle kiln]

more if you have A1-A3 targets

[tacit oar]

dn ?

[dense cedar]

LMAO

[vast loom]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-nuts-got-em-deez-nutz-jerk-gif-4967750

[subtle kiln]

be nice to the ESL

[tacit oar]

:(

[vast loom]

🙂

[tacit oar]

ya okay you got me

[violet jackal]

[night delta]

Goteem

[tacit oar]

I'm playing with a passive 3rd pvp skill, could get worse

[dense cedar]

i honestly don't remember the pvp talents for sin vm

except system shock

[tacit oar]

smokebomb and dismantle are very useful tools imo

[dense cedar]

i always wanted smokebomb to be our heart of azeroth button

[tacit oar]

dismantle just reduce non caster class to oblivion

[dense cedar]

so we could los reset mythic bosses as a joke

[tacit oar]

and smokebomb is cool to kill a target in the mess

[dense cedar]

is hemo any good?

guess this is the wrong channel for this

we gonna get banned

[tacit oar]

if you're playing against healer I guess, but you can just use the antiheal poison

we are speaking of assa still

so it's fine

[dense cedar]

i gues

[tacit oar]

i guess?

[violet jackal]

#pvp

[dense cedar]

wait

im talking about uhhhh

world content

how is smoke bomb for questing? :)

[tacit oar]

we are talking about assassination talents

[spice spire]

World p*p?

[tacit oar]

:D

[spice spire]

🤨

[tacit oar]

you can't use smokebomb to reset aggro in open world content

[violet jackal]

you can use it to pull casters in closer tho

[tacit oar]

yes

we are talking of pve casters

[night delta]

I mean yeah, smoke ain't stealth

[tacit oar]

it's like the talent in torghast

that gives a perma smokebomb around u

[violet jackal]

correction it gives an obscuring mist around you

[dense cedar]

control is king is comfy for world content too tbh

[tacit oar]

yeah I'm using this as 3rd talent

[night delta]

Personally i'd loved to see the sbs sniper power come back insome form

[tacit oar]

never having to apply snd is gucci

and kidney shot is actually giving 35 free energy

even for leveling it's pretty cool

[dense cedar]

kinda wish take your cut from outlaw existed on shiv for assassination

[tacit oar]

what does it do

[dense cedar]

15% haste for 8 seconds for self and allies nearby

[tacit oar]

oh cool

[cobalt hemlock]

is it possible we will be playing double on use trinkets in df like in s4/prepatch ?

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor you gonna be on Max's stream today?

[cobalt hemlock]

i hope so

[oblique tangle]

Wait if this plays like I'm reading it how are your fingers not broken

[night delta]

I hope not

[subtle tundra]

waths maximus doin

[tacit oar]

it's pretty fine tho

my binds are very close to each others

[cobalt hemlock]

just if i have to set up another buttons for the second trinket

[thorn fjord]

@subtle tundra asking different community figures about each class/spec on stream

[subtle tundra]

ah

@balmy condor spread propaganda

[thorn fjord]

Yes plz

[subtle tundra]

diss outlaw

[thorn fjord]

although @vestal wren might do that if he was hit up lol

[night delta]

Tbh the attack speed trinket in VOTI looks juicy

[subtle tundra]

speak about how shit it is that they dont have to lose st for aoe

[night delta]

and it's a passive one

[vestal wren]

why would i do that

[subtle tundra]

demand outlaw nerfs

nvm

demand outlaw deletion

[vestal wren]

assa nerfs

[thorn fjord]

question is why not?!

[vestal wren]

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

assa wont get nerfed

how much is sub simming with the 1 sd build?

[thorn fjord]

@vestal wren did he hit you up to be on stream?

[subtle kiln]

or just do use 13 & use 14 on same macro assuming it's not a cache like trinket

[thorn fjord]

feel like he'll just have jp on there for rogue and just be done with it... hoping he has someone who atleast knows what theyre talking about lol

[oak sky]

He usually talks to people hes talked to before

[vestal wren]

~79,5k was the highest i saw

[oak sky]

Also he might not be having any liquid guys on

Becayse rwf and all

[subtle tundra]

and um compared to assa is?

[subtle kiln]

asssa >>>>

[limber lion]

84

[vestal wren]

he has community ppl on today

[subtle kiln]

hi Cev

[limber lion]

hi Scath

[gusty mirage]

hi cev

[vestal wren]

somewhere around 85-86.5k

iirc

[limber lion]

hi oxi

[drifting light]

There is no way to go 3 zold, dtb and shrouded currently?

[gusty mirage]

are you ready to kingsbane your way into the hearts of millions?

[vestal wren]

@subtle tundra it looks like sub and outlaw are close-ish

and assa just blasts both

[subtle kiln]

ONLY IN BOSS DMG

[spice spire]

Big sub trying to spread propaganda again

[vestal wren]

haha

[spice spire]

(This is a joke, we’re ahead on st by a bit)

[vestal wren]

sub propaganda would be that sin stinks

[gusty mirage]

good thing there's so many pure ST fights in the new raid

[vestal wren]

and sub stonks

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean walrus]

Big Sub

[vestal wren]

just play the one dance

npnp

easy #1 deeps

[spice spire]

If this makes you feel any better fuu

[thorn fjord]

Oh man

[subtle kiln]

until you realize Yoshi is sub

[spice spire]

Real

[limber lion]

fuck

[spice spire]

Unreal, I can’t believe you did this Cev

[royal lantern]

cus for some reason, rogues love to ask for nerfs instead of adjustments for the underperformin specs?

[spice spire]

@subtle tundra !!!!!

[vestal wren]

we just want everyone to suffer equally

[subtle tundra]

if they nerf outlaw bf then they can nerf our st and im fine with it

[thorn fjord]

Give all specs exsang then @vestal wren

Make it a required node

All suffer equally

[oak sky]

Chatting

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

[spice spire]

Me spewing some nonsense with the Blokes in ravenholdt

[thorn fjord]

Either way we’re all dragon boiz tonight amirite?

[spice spire]

No man

[gusty mirage]

no

[thorn fjord]

🤣

[subtle tundra]

nuke outlaw. make it so it cant hit with any type of weapons.

[subtle kiln]

[spice spire]

I’m a wife guy tonight

[vestal wren]

or.. just buff shadow dance

[thorn fjord]

Same actually

[vestal wren]

so that all specs can play dance

[thorn fjord]

Is it wrong if i think it’s lame to dance?

[cerulean walrus]

Cringe

[spice spire]

No man

[gusty mirage]

no

I'd rather sub and outlaw suffer through exsang too

[subtle tundra]

i like dance

[gusty mirage]

gl hf

make exsang for outlaw consume RtB at a faster rate

[subtle kiln]

I welcome Exsang to the sub toolkit with open bloody arms

[vestal wren]

why are you like this :/

[cerulean walrus]

If all specs can dance then sub brains are gonna screech that their spec is no longer special in any way.

[gusty mirage]

make exsang for sub cause your will to live to expire by 100% faster

[oak sky]

Ur a wife guy every night

[cerulean walrus]

[gusty mirage]

blame stealthi

[spice spire]

That’s true

[subtle tundra]

well exsang for sub does literally nothing, atleast we gain energy lol

[gusty mirage]

he did this to me

[spice spire]

Building up that rep so I can no life dragonflight

[gusty mirage]

make it consume shadowdance faster

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

because fuck it

[thorn fjord]

And snd

[cerulean walrus]

Exsang consumes Shadow Blades faster

[gusty mirage]

make snd uninstall world of warcraft

[cerulean walrus]

[subtle kiln]

yet... growth mindset. it will reset the rotten 10% faster

[gusty mirage]

they don't even take blades

[oak sky]

Make exsang for outlaw increase your cooldowns but double their value

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean walrus]

What a dumpster spec dog

[subtle kiln]

exsang for outlaw, GCD is now 2 seconds

[gusty mirage]

based

exsang for sub, deletes outlaw from the game

take it or leave it

[subtle tundra]

we take those

[oak sky]

Shadow blades is a dumpster dog ability

[thorn fjord]

Nah exsang transforms outlaw to fury war

[royal lantern]

ill take it

[spice spire]

Outlaw haters

[gusty mirage]

outlaw is already fury warrior

[cerulean walrus]

When you activate Exsanguinate as a subtlety rogue you delete one outlaw rogue from the game.

[subtle kiln]

you mean useful?

[gusty mirage]

do your part sub rogues

only you can save us

[thorn fjord]

[subtle kiln]

only if I can smart target RH members

[cerulean walrus]

Nope it’s random

[thorn fjord]

Nah nah RH members are safe

[cerulean walrus]

[gusty mirage]

no the fuck they aren't

[royal lantern]

who would you macro into exsang then

[gusty mirage]

I want to especially target RH members

[cerulean walrus]

Bro 3/4 of RH members are fried beyond all help.

[gusty mirage]

except for zac

and solo

we leave them because they're lovely

[subtle kiln]

start with the blocked list

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

you block people?

[gusty mirage]

okay so mizu's gone

[royal lantern]

biggest discord bait man

[gusty mirage]

who next

[cerulean walrus]

Esra is toast

[subtle kiln]

1/2 of canada

[spice spire]

I don’t think I’ve ever blocked a person in my life

[royal lantern]

blocking people on discord only makes them MORE visible

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Do I count

[gusty mirage]

messy, hataro, and?

[subtle tundra]

hi can i be your first?

[gusty mirage]

does mata remain?

[subtle kiln]

G

[gusty mirage]

oh

[spice spire]

No man

[gusty mirage]

I'm behind that

110%

I'll even play sub to help

[cerulean walrus]

[loud marlin]

is assassination still doomed? i know dmg was stupid low last raid testing and in all m+ testing

[cerulean walrus]

Oxi succumbing

[subtle tundra]

[spice spire]

Sin huge st

[subtle tundra]

assad ead

[royal lantern]

high st dmg rn

[cerulean walrus]

[spice spire]

GIGA even

[royal lantern]

ULTRA

[cerulean walrus]

OMEGA

[royal lantern]

(its a cleave tier)

[spice spire]

It’s in a fine spot

[cerulean walrus]

Shut up don’t tell them that

[vestal wren]

so now you need to find out who the 1/4 is

[spice spire]

Not like S-tier, but it’s more than fine

[subtle kiln]

it also triggers them when you post screenshots

[thorn fjord]

It’s S tier if you believe

[cerulean walrus]

I will refrain from saying anything.

[royal lantern]

tbf, if you raidteam has enough aoe dmg, why not go full st

[subtle kiln]

always show me

[spice spire]

always show me

[subtle kiln]

boss dmg chart topper

[thorn fjord]

Homies gotta parse is why

[spice spire]

Always show me for anduin only

[loud marlin]

yuge ST doesnt matter if the entire raid is 2 target, hectic add cleave, or 4 target cousel with the exception of terros?

[viscid spear]

change Details name to someone else

[cerulean walrus]

✅ Always Show Me

[royal lantern]

look what i said in the next sentence

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

and then ping me

like im some idiot

[subtle kiln]

oh missed the next sentence

my bad

[cerulean walrus]

Reading comprehension

[loud marlin]

sorry i didnt see it big guy

[royal lantern]

dont worry, im a idiot anyway

[loud marlin]

just want honest answers and hope for the spec but its fine thanks all

[subtle kiln]

oh shit, now gender identifying in #assassination

[thorn fjord]

Degenerates

[cerulean walrus]

I’m an ass man.

[royal lantern]

it DOES really good st, but its still a cleave tier, so outlaw is favored by default, but like i also said, its possible you raid has enough aoe and doesnt need more, so you could probs go assa for the boss dmg pump

[viscid spear]

Calm down, Mr. Gunn

[subtle kiln]

execute has a good chance of being amazing for prog

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

Make the warriors in your group cry

[royal lantern]

^ that aswell

[subtle tundra]

even if its a cleave tier, if its useless cleave then who cares
and if all the cleave is on easy bosees then who cares

[thorn crater]

can someone TLDR it for me what the thing that went up on wowheadm eans

its all the buffs that have happened in the past

[spice spire]

Yes

[thorn crater]

does it mean this will be the launch?

[spice spire]

No

[thorn crater]

or is it the prefinal tuning?

[thorn fjord]

Nice looks like Whispyr will be on Max's stream

[royal lantern]

like dunno, nyalotha was also a tier that had plenty aoe, but you didnt really went aoe cus most raidteams had 1-2 firemages that just killed all adds in 2seconds

[spice spire]

It means beta resets today

So it’s doing a quick recap

[thorn crater]

wait it wasnt up until now?

oh i see

[gusty mirage]

correct, it'll now be on live as well

[thorn crater]

oh so everything basically existed for the sims

so now people get to test is vs the other classes

in actual combat

[thorn fjord]

Jp not talking because secret society

[spice spire]

Bolas on too. What a lineup sheesh

[thorn fjord]

Cant wait to hear whispyr talk sub and pirate lol

[spice spire]

Talking sub is good.
Talking outlaw

[thorn fjord]

He doesnt know either though does he? not sure what he knows about sub but i know his pirate knowledge isnt all that great

[royal lantern]

when is that stream

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

whisp knows how the specs work in theory

[spice spire]

Brother he’s a sub main wdym

[sand dirge]

he invited fuu/pusnoir and foreverguy too

[royal lantern]

he is not infinteman

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern on right now

[sand dirge]

just not on the list

[royal lantern]

oh

link

pls ❤️

[thorn fjord]

https://www.twitch.tv/maximum

He's going down the list.. not talking to Whispyr just yet

[gusty mirage]

god imagine not putting < > around the link

smh

[thorn fjord]

i didnt know that did that

[spice spire]

Yes man

[gusty mirage]

@vestal wren taught me that not too long ago

[thorn fjord]

you learn something new every day

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

It’s a huge fix

[next edge]

Wait did we got buffed another 45% on execute???????????

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[weak plover]

no

[thorn fjord]

more like somewhere in the 30's

[night delta]

Zoldy got buffed by 50%, so quite nice

but it's not fresh news

[spice spire]

Same buff from earlier

[next edge]

Was just memeing mr quake

sorry to make you write

[thorn fjord]

Wow

-50 DKP

[spice spire]

Unreal

Gonna invite lambda to my guild just to give him negative dkp

[night delta]

whelp.

[thorn fjord]

make em ride the bench

[spice spire]

True

Just like me

I’ve never been benched. I’d self bench tho

[next edge]

Resto S tier

Pog

[thorn fjord]

Like a true leader

[next edge]

Invite me to yur life

[spice spire]

Whoah buddy

Take me on a date first

[next edge]

We cna do a triple date with Oxi

[thorn fjord]

sounds hawt

[next edge]

Paladin A tier

[thorn fjord]

Holy Pali

We're not Ret appreciators here

[spice spire]

Yes we are

Bolas is a homie

[thorn fjord]

Any class competing for my spot is the enemy

[next edge]

Waiting for the rogue copium

[royal lantern]

holy paladin a tier

restro druid S tier

holy priest low b tier

not a biased druid main btw

[gusty mirage]

nah resto druid is S tier

[royal lantern]

"yooooo, restro druid heals so much, its insane S tier"

"holy priest only has high troughtput healing, B tier"

no bias btw

[gusty mirage]

no priest main is happy about priest going into DF

[royal lantern]

eh, people hated flash concentration, light weaver is a win

the other stuff? dunno

[gusty mirage]

literally every single holy priest I know

hates the changes

they're happy about flash concentration going away

[royal lantern]

flash concentration, aka the snd of holy priest

YOU LIKE MAINTENANCE BUFFS RIGHT?????

[gusty mirage]

but besides that

they hate everything else

[next edge]

Tbh

Resto Druid is really strong

[oblique tangle]

Man I can't wait to dip on rogue for evoker

A true good class

🙏

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra nice

good vers

[night delta]

what's that ?

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[night delta]

for sin ?

[spice spire]

Mastery going ahead of crit

[balmy condor]

for devastation evoker

[spice spire]

Zzzz the goat

[balmy condor]

everyone knows varas is rerolling evoker

and evoker discord isn't real

because I don't recognize it

as part of reality

[balmy condor]

it's finally time

[spice spire]

God bless

[spice spire]

Mastery truthers rise up

Buff Pb to legion levels

Return to monke

[balmy condor]

bust out the divine bell mr. quack

[spice spire]

yes man

[balmy condor]

it's time for carnage bell gaming

[night delta]

I've always felt our mastery was quite boring : /

[gusty mirage]

he was like sega dreamcast, simply way ahead of his time

[honest vessel]

our mastery feels kinda like haste 2

more dot dam

just without the energy

[cobalt hemlock]

so its not haste just dmg

[night delta]

and envenom !

[honest vessel]

oh that's right i forgot about htat

lol

cuz it's a "poison"

[night delta]

yeah that's my issues with such masteries

basically no gameplay interactivity whatsoever

in that regards it's more like vers 2

(except without the added survivability)

[honest vessel]

whitelisted vers

tons of masteries like that

[tacit oar]

I've 36% vers

:^)

[night delta]

yes and it's a shame

[honest vessel]

ye

[night delta]

Even something as simple as "x% chance to tick twice" would be more engaging

[honest vessel]

lethal dose would make a sick mastery

[tacit oar]

sp mastery be like

[honest vessel]

tru

yoink

[thorn crater]

so what was said on stream?

sub=bad sin=good and we dont recognize outlaw as a rogue spec?

[balmy condor]

nothing yet

single target btw

the base in the corner for both of these is 0 stat on anything

just for reference

[subtle tundra]

uwu

[honest vessel]

who else is in whispyr waiting room aka max's stream

[balmy condor]

and fuu and guy

!

I'm just handling sin this time around

[honest vessel]

Pog

[subtle tundra]

ah guy to spread outlaw propaganda

wow

[honest vessel]

more time to go back to simming something fraudulent

[copper hazel]

so youre telling me haste sCaLeS?

[spice spire]

Who’s guy?

[balmy condor]

guide writing

[spice spire]

I was hoping outlaw savant longtimepal would be covering outlaw

[honest vessel]

[steel ridge]

are you sheduled for max stream tier list debate thingy?

[balmy condor]

yes

and fuu and guy

[steel ridge]

damn i wanted to sleep

[subtle tundra]

just watch the vod

[night delta]

the difference between vers and haste in ST isn't humongous, but it's quite steep nonetheless

[balmy condor]

yeah turns out all stats still good on sin

[next edge]

So who will talk about Sin status?

just see 2 sub mains there

[spice spire]

So you’re saying we like stats

[night delta]

still there is "good" and "good". From that graph I gather that haste is nonetheless a chunky 50% better than vers per point

40k - > 55k versus 40k -> 50k

so maybe the rule of ilvl still trumps

[balmy condor]

yeah but it still depends on the rest of your stats

[honest vessel]

dh a tier lmfao

[night delta]

but my takeway is that after that, probably avoid vers

[balmy condor]

it's comparing 6k haste

vs 6k vers

[honest vessel]

[balmy condor]

and nothing else

as usually, healthy balance

[subtle tundra]

ok so i see people are trying to lie so they dont get nerfed on max's stream

whispyr say assa st is just decent

[steel ridge]

yeah that demon hunter

A Tier haha

[balmy condor]

I will not be lying

[honest vessel]

'i'll be humble and say A'

lmfao

[steel ridge]

what a sandbagger

[honest vessel]

rogues have too much integrity 😤

[spice spire]

D tier then

[royal lantern]

just the best dps spec on the beta btw

[night delta]

paradox moment

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

[honest vessel]

we like to roleplay what we can't be irl

[steel ridge]

i know, i actually play beta

[subtle tundra]

yea assa, very mid. dissapointing aoe with decent ST but it has execute so it ends up mid

[steel ridge]

not like that demon hunter guy :DDDD

[royal lantern]

is that a lie?

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

it is not

[night delta]

but is THAT a lie ?

[steel ridge]

whispyr is just pants down honest

[subtle tundra]

wtf

pants down?!?!?

does he have underwear

[steel ridge]

no

[subtle tundra]

whispar lie for me

[steel ridge]

there must be something in the water

[honest vessel]

i know it's memeing to pretend that theres a fragment of a chance of whispyr sandbagging, but we might consider the impact of said memes on our collective image

[spice spire]

Me too seli, me too.

[night delta]

we're in the boston harbour, and it's tea

I'll let you guess what variety

[honest vessel]

ty whispyr for just being straight up every time about it

[balmy condor]

if I had a gun with a single bullet, and my options would be to lie, or kill hitler, I would shoot myself

[honest vessel]

i think that's important, sorry for coming off preachy

[subtle tundra]

bye whispar

[night delta]

can't risk a time paradox, good reasoning

[steel ridge]

thats quite dramatic

[subtle tundra]

yea we dont want people to think of us how they think of warlocks

[balmy condor]

good man

[honest vessel]

exaaaaaactly

[next edge]

A TIER BALANCE

[royal lantern]

god i wish

[next edge]

B TIER OVERALL

[royal lantern]

dh A tier

balance B tier

[next edge]

Balance B tier

[honest vessel]

B for balance

[next edge]

THE AMOUNT OF COPIUM

[honest vessel]

A for dh

[next edge]

[subtle tundra]

balance is really bad in m+ tho

[royal lantern]

what is assa and sub then? ZZZ?

[subtle tundra]

it just has burst

and then has 0 dmg

[next edge]

A tier in raid btw

[steel ridge]

lmao

[next edge]

[night delta]

Balance B tier, Assa A tier, Destruction D tier ?

[steel ridge]

even max is laughing at that A

[royal lantern]

you mean like dk?

[night delta]

is it time boys ?

[subtle tundra]

idk about dk. but i played with boomy on beta and it was not great

[night delta]

Fire and Frost F tier

[subtle tundra]

not a survival tier again...

[night delta]

oh shit that's the flaw

[next edge]

PSYBEAR

[oblique tangle]

Shoutouts to haste stacking 🙏

[gusty mirage]

we love psybear

[balmy condor]

if you have like any amount of haste it starts to crater over the other stats btw

[next edge]

We do

[thorn fjord]

Survival had its expansion… it ain’t coming back

God willing

[next edge]

PSYCHAD

[oblique tangle]

Is it the edge of the crater or the middle of the crater

[thorn fjord]

Feral being good annoys me and I don’t know why

[next edge]

Im happy feral is good

[royal lantern]

you allready hear all the boomkins complaining

thats why

[thorn crater]

nah

its prolly the reason why mages are upset when boomies are good

[subtle tundra]

boomkin players cant spec melee

[night delta]

angry chicken sounds

[thorn crater]

and why warrtanks are upset when bears were good

[silk junco]

I’m 1,000 messages behind. What happened?

[subtle tundra]

they would have to play a whole expansion to not constantly die

[thorn crater]

pseudo copycat spec being better than the original

[royal lantern]

yes, and thats why they will cry LOUD

its balance players

they are gods are crying louder then a plane

[honest vessel]

bears just snoozeville

[next edge]

Max still memeing about DH

[thorn fjord]

As he should

[vestal wren]

Is havoc that good?

[royal lantern]

its the best at everything atm

lmao

[shadow breach]

only viable class is warlock everything else sucks

[thorn fjord]

Fire mag pog

Mage

[bold drum]

havoc is a bit on the good side

[thorn crater]

rly or troll?

[bold drum]

just a tiny bit tho

[vestal wren]

[royal lantern]

lets just say

felrush alone does more dmg then 20sec of assa dots in aoe

[thorn crater]

do u use that backflip as dps?

[next edge]

yes

u do

[thorn crater]

like, it always felt so weird to dps with DH

on raids at least

i dno i couldnt get used to it

[shadow breach]

momentum build is so aids

[honest vessel]

momentum cool

it's like a bunch of mini shivs

[shadow breach]

thats some adhd gameplay rotation

[balmy condor]

this is 1000 in every stat

[empty ravine]

fun fact, the word assassination was invented by shakespear

[night delta]

[honest vessel]

i zoom c:

[spice spire]

So mastery is just GIGA

[night delta]

how much total stat do you have at, say, ilvl 400 ?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[night delta]

roughly

[honest vessel]

4 trillion

[spice spire]

Are we mastery > crit

[balmy condor]

total of 10k

ish

[next edge]

Advanced

[night delta]

how's that look for, say 2k balance in all stats then ?

which is what we'd most likely land on naturally I assume

[royal lantern]

max says what im always saying: except for dk no class was actually broken OP on release

dunno, think its funny

[night delta]

feels like haste dipping down is a consequence of approaching GCD lock apm ?

IG : extra haste -> not much extra energy

[balmy condor]

pretty much

[gusty mirage]

people using revisionist history to make their point is hilarious

"DH WOULD LIKE A WORD WITH YOU"

[balmy condor]

going from 53 apm to 56

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

just doesn't matter

[oblique tangle]

Honestly it's so weird haste isn't a top priority stat

[gusty mirage]

people acting like DH was 9.0 boomkin

[thorn crater]

wait wait

[oblique tangle]

Considering

[thorn crater]

so its mastery/haste?

[royal lantern]

dh was good for EN, mediocre at best for NH and ToS and strong for Antorus

=broken

i gues

[balmy condor]

mastery crit

[thorn crater]

thats what the graph says right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah and we're both wrong for saying otherwise

[night delta]

I'd say a bit of haste, then mastery crit

[royal lantern]

monk was good, but warrior and warlock just stomped EVERYTHING in MoP, nothing was close to them

[thorn crater]

oh nvm on top of one another

had to zoom in

[royal lantern]

only dk was stupid broken for the entire time, and during WotlK blizzard didnt knew what the word "balance" was anyway

[oblique tangle]

Oh my fuck I played destro during MoP

I miss it so much

[royal lantern]

you can say that you enjoyed playing the most broken class in wow history mate

movment while casting btw

1hitting players btw

[balmy condor]

same shit

[night delta]

alright thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[night delta]

seems like the cratering of haste slows down as total stats grow

[oblique tangle]

I swapped from aff until end of expac

And then I ended up back destro for WoD raiding

[balmy condor]

adding 1000 haste added 1 full apm

very poggers

[oblique tangle]

I miss Xel'Rak the eye-butt

:(

[subtle tundra]

my 1 mutilate

[balmy condor]

5 extra casts per sim

huge

[night delta]

I mean doubling that stat budget didn't blow up haste to worse than vers for example

[balmy condor]

so so big

my smooth gameplay

[subtle tundra]

bring back 45 apm

fuck me

the glory days of assa

[honest vessel]

lets go <30 fuck it

[oblique tangle]

Let's go 5 apm

[honest vessel]

1 apm and it's just exsang

[oblique tangle]

10 second casts but it's our entire rotation

[oblique tangle]

I support it

[night delta]

I can live with 50 apm tbh

[rain oyster]

whennn whisper going on max's strum uwu

[night delta]

but 55+ starts to get a bit uncomfortable

[oblique tangle]

Time for that new "hold to auto-cast" feature

[honest vessel]

after publik prolly

[honest vessel]

if only it wasnt a dps decrease :c

[oblique tangle]

That's so much less engaging

[balmy condor]

idk if he's going in order

[honest vessel]

he has been so far

[oblique tangle]

Imagine you're a fire mage

Hold 1 forever

[balmy condor]

aight cool cool

[rain oyster]

im only watching for our lord and savior whispyr HandsUp

[spice spire]

[subtle kiln]

he’s doing EU time zone first

[rain oyster]

theres only one country in the world

the US of A

and theres only one coast in it

East

[thorn fjord]

East coast best coast

[shadow breach]

just dont give west coasters three fiddy

[rain oyster]

🤔 🤔 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-math-calculate-gif-8228921

[royal lantern]

dont confuse the poor NA peeps

they allready suffer from the fact that they are stuck in NA

[rain oyster]

my man spitting facts

[thorn fjord]

My family escaped communism so NA aint THAT bad

but i digress

[honest vessel]

order has been wacked up D:

is it TIME

[molten fable]

IT'S TIME

[teal bloom]

Whispyr PauseChamp

[elfin valley]

our time has come

[thorn fjord]

Make us proud dad @balmy condor

[bold drum]

the rogue guy

[molten fable]

Can we get a DDDD for the boys???

[bold drum]

guy and fuu aswell

the whole squad

[royal lantern]

fuu's voice?

inc: its google translator

[bold drum]

austrian

[copper hazel]

listen to the 👑 talk

[molten fable]

LET'S GO

[royal lantern]

say it whisp

[proper breach]

Holy shit

[royal lantern]

say exsang

[viscid marten]

nerfs inc

[copper hazel]

WOAH whispyr

[molten fable]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-s-gif-9063763

[royal lantern]

say that its a problem

SAY IT WHISPR

[raven egret]

s tier!

[proper breach]

Whispyr chill, we gotta dodge the nerfs

Keep it low key

[royal lantern]

HE DID IT

[blazing totem]

whispyr making us proud

[restive raptor]

we should have sent @dire spoke tbh

[teal bloom]

Whispyr said it Pog

[rancid nimbus]

Nice1 whispyr

[thorn fjord]

OUR SECRET IS OUT

[elfin valley]

Whispyr pog

[balmy condor]

NO SANDBAGGING

WE ARE HONEST

NO DISHONEST WIZARDS

[rain oyster]

-exang, venomous wound 1 pointer = deep dick dolly Pog

[next edge]

ASSA S TIER

[burnt latch]

whats the opposite of sandbagging

[viscid marten]

guess were back to outlaw now with our nerfs inc

[keen mist]

ASSA S TIER, DESTRO B TIER

[elfin valley]

sin 50% nerf inc F

[keen mist]

this is why warlock is always op

[dire spoke]

[patent quartz]

@balmy condor baited our nerf now

[teal bloom]

Nerf rogue, buff warlock

[stiff frost]

Well done @balmy condor

[crystal nymph]

is there any link for builds ?

[rain oyster]

👏

[keen mist]

we need to spread rogue TC's to other classes

[honest vessel]

NO!

they're ours ❤️

[balmy condor]

sorry I don't get 25 minutes like azor

[balmy condor]

pins

[stiff frost]

You hush don't you dare put that evil on me ricky Bobby @teal bloom

[copper hazel]

paid for the time slot from the patreon money

[stiff frost]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-stock-lock-stock-and-two-smoking-barrels-done-eating-face-wipe-wiping-gif-22228451

Lol among other things

[spice spire]

Gigasick presentation @balmy condor

[royal lantern]

omg

fuu voice is so cute

[heavy coral]

Whispyr I love you

[thorn fjord]

Man now we're gonna get nerfed to the ground

[stiff frost]

Lol super asmr voice

[thorn fjord]

Thanks @balmy condor @sudden brook

[random fossil]

Whisp was giga sick

[upper frigate]

Wait what happend?

[rich vine]

Realz i beg you dont herf sin

[spice spire]

Max stream

[rancid nimbus]

Sad that exang needs to be played. I hoped i could work around that. Damn it . Haha

[copper hazel]

its ok Realz is dealing with the fallout of DH Deep dick tier

[copper hazel]

hahaha

holy shit

[drifting light]

he posted the the mario kart shellbomb shortly after lmao

on discord

[bold drum]

https://media.tenor.com/oA52InGYvbkAAAAM/blue-shell.gif

u mean this one

ive seen this today already

[sleek otter]

who is this person?

[bold drum]

class dev

[verbal hinge]

class dev for rogues and DH

[spice spire]

Dh and rogue dev

[paper mural]

Sup guys, returning player, always been a sin guy, but what's the go to spec these days, or did they actually do some decent balancing?

[spice spire]

He’s a big fan of this one

[spice spire]

Sin is good st outlaw better in aoe/cleave, sub needs love

[paper mural]

Sub needs love? Interesting, praise be the sin

[upper frigate]

Has anyone seen the turkey patch notes about sin?!

[spice spire]

Realz is also a good balance of work/humor to me.
He makes light of some stuff and tries to do his best

[spice spire]

The what?

[paper mural]

Any reputable guides to give me a boost in catch up?

For sin/general rogue

I'm assuming Icy Veins is still ass

[copper hazel]

wowhead one is good

[honest vessel]

wowhead and icy veins are good

[thorn fjord]

Nah IV and wow head are both good

[honest vessel]

and pinned

[paper mural]

Sweet, thanks ❤️

[honest vessel]

the info should be identical

[bold drum]

they know

[gusty mirage]

🦃

[copper hazel]

hahahaha

[upper frigate]

But how do D does more single target dmg as a AOE class but assassination/poisons/full single target entire CLASS does less single damage??????????

[spice spire]

This is also in this chat and in outlaw

#assassination message

[drifting light]

Lol yeah I saw it in here, realz making sure no1 is safe

[gusty mirage]

uh what

[spice spire]

Like I said he’s a funny guy

[limber lion]

l2p issue I guess

[gusty mirage]

is this like in relation to the tier list that max is making, where they've said "tier lists are a meme" like 5 billion times?

[limber lion]

:----)

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean i guess its good we high so people invite us to their keys

[upper frigate]

Who is this dude and why he puts us in S TIER??

[thorn fjord]

As if they weren’t already

[thorn fjord]

It’s Dad

[cobalt hemlock]

true i guess

[craggy nimbus]

Quick question, what skill spreads Cache now in this patch?

[ebon bramble]

assassination S tier

[limber lion]

Still just direct hits, so FoK/CT initial

[balmy condor]

^

[limber lion]

Or Muti/Env in ST

[next edge]

Everyone going wild with this max tierlist

when maybe tomorrow you wake up with new patchnotes

and suddenly it means shit

[craggy nimbus]

Aight

[next edge]

like people really needs to calm down

[balmy condor]

Chat being stupid?

No shot

[craggy nimbus]

I haven't played my Assassination rogue at all in m+ with the new talents so giving it a spin now

[balmy condor]

I’ve never seen a twitch chat say anything except 100% truth and facts with completely reasonable takes

[spice spire]

I’ve never seen a twitch chat say anything except 100% truth and facts with completely reasonable takes

[copper hazel]

based

[upper frigate]

Is that "S" for mythic+, raid, pvp, single target?

[balmy condor]

Overall pve

Because pvp is omegalul

[upper frigate]

ok ok

[runic hinge]

I’ve never seen a twitch chat say anything except 100% truth and facts with completely reasonable takes

[craggy nimbus]

Is Echoing Reprimand worth getting?
I remember simming it when the talents swapped but it was a really low change to anything else if I remember correctly

[teal bloom]

I’ve never seen a twitch chat say anything except 100% truth and facts with completely reasonable takes

[balmy condor]

It’s taken in every situation

You can see some builds in the pins

[craggy nimbus]

Yea, just eyed through it, hence me asking 🙂

[upper frigate]

EVERY?

[limber lion]

Every.

[copper hazel]

every

[upper frigate]

Damn

Gotta spend more time her

here

[copper hazel]

she says the same thing

wait

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/every-single-one-of-them-steve-kornacki-msnbc-all-of-them-everyone-gif-19744458

[thorn fjord]

Sin channel the best channel

Even mage mains hang out here

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/all-gill-engvid-anything-everything-gif-23299111

[balmy condor]

And sub mains like me

[thorn fjord]

Big true

[subtle kiln]

[craggy nimbus]

but but, I don't like Echoing :<

[thorn fjord]

Do you like exsang?

[craggy nimbus]

More than Echoing yes

[peak bobcat]

Bad

[spice spire]

Echoing is fine

[thorn fjord]

Ban plz

[craggy nimbus]

xD

[peak bobcat]

ER good

[upper frigate]

Let me innnnnnnnn

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-prio-rogue-glaives-wo-w-warcraft-gif-24491328

[vast plover]

Is Assassination the goto now? Instead of Outlaw

[limber lion]

The goto?

[thorn fjord]

Nah they both have their respective benefits

[limber lion]

Ehh

[thorn fjord]

Can play either tho

[next edge]

Can't wait for all these people watching Max stream

coming here

"WAIT SO ASSA IS THE BEST SPEC NOW????????????????????"

[thorn fjord]

Bring the pain baby

[next edge]

[slim hamlet]

New rogue gamer here, what target count is it generally worth to use Fan of Knives > Mutilate/Ambush, and Crimson Tempest > Rupture

[viscid spear]

[honest vessel]

you always wanna spread garrote, no matter if you're gonna CT

fok has historically been spam at 4, apply poisons at 3

[slim hamlet]

Yeah i meant Rupture mb

[honest vessel]

still, try and spread enough ruptures to have enough energy

[spice spire]

At 3 as of 9.2

[honest vessel]

ah hecc

[spice spire]

Big fok buffs

[honest vessel]

keep ct up

rup as many things as you can

not sure how many targets you just spam ct

and i dont know where pb landed in all this

[thorn fjord]

Rupture up to 4

[slim hamlet]

Yeah ok, I just meant whether you use CT at 2 targets already or just only rupture and then go to envenom, like when do you begin to use CT

[spice spire]

Neither do the sims

[thorn fjord]

Pretty sure you’ll still CT on 2t

[honest vessel]

cool didnt get everything wrong

[slim hamlet]

Alright perfect thx for help 🙂

[spice spire]

Nah you mostly got it right

Fok was weird because it randomly got buffed which did nothing but lower the count you used it at

And Pb+ct is a weird pendulum

Whíspyr has been doing those sims for a second, before the buffs anyway

[honest vessel]

c:

[thorn fjord]

I’m just happy we’re no longer pressing ct in st

Hated that so much

[spice spire]

Don’t speak so soon

There’s always a chance

[hardy dagger]

are we using sophic devotion or frozen devotion?

[spice spire]

[white temple]

Uh

Wat

[upper frigate]

Im playing a dragon now, assa where u at?

[white temple]

[spice spire]

What was that one? Sorry, may be a language barrier!

Oh the enchantment

Wouldn’t worry until release - this seems like this tier where you chose between raid and m+ stuff

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire do I CT before or after refreshing my garrote and rupture for exsang?

[spice spire]

Don’t play around ct Smdh

Max pandemic the other two primarily

[subtle kiln]

kk

[prisma cypress]

what would a m+ oriented talent build look like in pre patch?

[true pelican]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/dragonflight-pre-patch#talent-builds

[prisma cypress]

thank you

the pins didn't have any actual level 60 builds

but apparently the wowhead guide is the same guy

[balmy condor]

yeah weird

I think he might know a thing or two

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-believe-his-lies-memento-gif-11382090

[rigid mango]

good ol’ days

[spice spire]

Yell at me papi

[balmy condor]

brother you specifically can't ban anymore

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[uncut echo]

Good

He was scaring me :(

[spice spire]

?????

[uncut echo]

AHHH

Too MANY QUESTION MARKS

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

[balmy condor]

[grizzled jay]

@uncut echo get back to Sub channel where you belong

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