assassination

[royal lantern]

assa 1trick during that tier

[uncut echo]

1m db

Invis

And a snare?

[spice spire]

Turboass

[uncut echo]

And a shitty knockback

[gusty mirage]

They cried about the DB change

[uncut echo]

I mean tbf ai would too

As a fire player

[dense cedar]

idk i think AI is pretty nutty

[gusty mirage]

They cry about everything

[uncut echo]

So do we

MUH SHROUD

[gusty mirage]

Not really

[uncut echo]

WE LITERALLY DO OXI

[subtle kiln]

we just die (look at sub)

[dense cedar]

I'll cry about Feint forever

[gusty mirage]

Not even remotely close

[spice spire]

Doomer

[gusty mirage]

Sub was dead for 99% of bfa

[uncut echo]

You're not being objective here

[spice spire]

Dh main

Unreal

[gusty mirage]

And we just accepted it lol

[spice spire]

Arcane argument

[subtle kiln]

📠

[gusty mirage]

Sub channel was fuu, hacha, and push

And 3 pvpers who got lost

[uncut echo]

Shouldve bitched more tbh

[gusty mirage]

We tried that

Didn’t do anything

[subtle kiln]

I was still in there for bfa

[uncut echo]

Clearly not, worked for mages

[subtle kiln]

idk why

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[uncut echo]

🥰

[gusty mirage]

Yeah because until they brought Realz in from hearthstone we had 0 devs who have ever played a rogue

[dense cedar]

I think the difference is that when sub looks slightly relevant everyone else cries about it

[spice spire]

Scari technically played rogue in 9.1, but he was primarily item designer

So some things were a bit weird

[uncut echo]

I mean that's facts

[subtle kiln]

sub is good or shit. exsang is your karma recipe.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I saw the logs bro, try again

[spice spire]

But valid point

[uncut echo]

We have a shot at mage treatment now

[spice spire]

Brother

I know this is the assassination channel

But holy fuck

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

You can’t just murder

[uncut echo]

HOLY SHIT

[gusty mirage]

Scarizard picked up rogue in prep for designing the tier sets

Which to his credit, kudos

[subtle kiln]

and the worst tier set possible for sub is there for your amusement.

[uncut echo]

Scarizard went back dk right

After realz came in and saved us

[gusty mirage]

Do you blame him?

[uncut echo]

We have raid utility now, we're irreplacable

[spice spire]

Oh that’s right he was 9.2 not 9.1

[gusty mirage]

Just saying, Realz is the first rogue dev since Sephuz that has a history of playing rogue

[spice spire]

You just don’t miss do you

[uncut echo]

I mean idk if you need a history of playing the class to design it

[subtle kiln]

realz has been a welcomed change

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the tier sets in SL were great

Ask sub rogues how they loved their tier set

[uncut echo]

:):):):):)

HAHAHA

[gusty mirage]

Where sub had a higher variance than outlaw

[subtle kiln]

have fun with 80 APM assa

[spice spire]

But no, you’re right.
You don’t need a history per se, but some of our best changes have come from people who played rogue historically

[uncut echo]

Correct

[royal lantern]

it helps when the person behind it actually somewhat knows what the gameplay loop is about/what people like about a class/spec

[gusty mirage]

Complete 180 from the historic “maximize dance” gameplay

To 60% dance uptime lol

[subtle kiln]

zoomie zoomie bleeds is what the people want with more rng

[spice spire]

Assa has more apm than PPR (players per raid) for sub I guess

[uncut echo]

I said it mostly in memes

[royal lantern]

like, it was so fking obvious in bfa/sl that blizz had no idea what to do with rogue

[spice spire]

It’s not what was wanted at all

[uncut echo]

But rogue is not a highly played class

[spice spire]

It is the least played

[uncut echo]

Because sin is a diet afflock

[spice spire]

We have mental damage

[gusty mirage]

You mean it wasn’t confirmed to people when they pulled Sephuz in 2 weeks before SL launch to try to make our class playable because they just forgot about us?

[uncut echo]

Sub is fucking anime cringe shit

And outlul

[subtle kiln]

we complained at high 30% and got it doubled.

[royal lantern]

slaughter poison btw

YOOO SICK NEW COVENANTS

WE GIVE ROGUE THE ABILITY

[gusty mirage]

One our cov abilities was about to be deadly poison for everyone

LOL

[royal lantern]

TO USE DEADLY POISONS AND LEECHING AT THE SAME TIME

BIG

[uncut echo]

I'd have loved that tbh

[royal lantern]

what? there is a spec that allready has that?

[spice spire]

Any og flag enjoyer?

[royal lantern]

wtf how should i know that, i dont play that class lmao

[uncut echo]

Og flag?

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

that was SL rogue

[uncut echo]

[subtle kiln]

can I convert this to shadow dmg with a conduit that won’t help it?

[gusty mirage]

Ah yes the shitty dollar store coral

Loved it

[spice spire]

Flagellation on its first iteration was

[gusty mirage]

The cov ability that was a dps loss to press

LMAO

[spice spire]

The one that it was a net neutral to not press the button again

[royal lantern]

covenant ability: deadly poison

[uncut echo]

I'd love rogue 100% more if we didnt fucking cast snd

[royal lantern]

that was peak blizzard

and yeha, that aswell

[uncut echo]

Such an outdated cringe mechanic

[gusty mirage]

Nah nah bro it’s different, it’s SHADOW damage this time

Poggies

[royal lantern]

we do the BIG UNPRUNNING!!!

[spice spire]

You cast it once

[subtle kiln]

you didn’t play assa 9.0 huh

[royal lantern]

for rogue that means SnD is back

btw assa unplayable now cus of it

[uncut echo]

No I benched bfa

[spice spire]

It was me and 4 others pal

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

Don’t worry guys

Any day now we’ll get those crimson vial buffs we were promised at blizz con

[spice spire]

yes man CV buffs

[uncut echo]

OH YEAH I TRIED ROGUE BEGINNING OF SL

And I went into nathria and did 40% the dam of everyone else

[gusty mirage]

Nerf CV because of “pick pocket buffs”

[royal lantern]

god, bringing SnD back was in the top10 most stupid desicion blizzard ever did

[gusty mirage]

Where they at tho

[uncut echo]

And got 99s lmao

[royal lantern]

what, an ability that people begged for years to be removed until we did it and everyone was happy? here, its back again

[spice spire]

I outdps’d my uhdks and they got memed in this channel

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

I played with good players

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[spice spire]

I’m actively bad

[uncut echo]

So I was on the bottom

[spice spire]

I was not

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, if you played outlaw instead you’d at least be comfortably above the tanks

[spice spire]

I raid with exactly 2 of the same people I started the tier with

[uncut echo]

Based

[spice spire]

Same guild

[gusty mirage]

And you couldn’t make sub work on half the fights because it was dogshit in cleave

[uncut echo]

I leveled a mage and forced them to boost me

[gusty mirage]

Rogue prime item 9.0

[royal lantern]

@subtle kiln wanna play a game of "is this #subtlety or sex talk" ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1041116742409269339/image.png

[gusty mirage]

I played sub until I got to council

And never played it again

[spice spire]

Sub chat

That’s a banger tho

[subtle kiln]

@gusty mirage my day of sarcasm ended with someone actually stating they want azerite armor back over tier because the helm has haste.

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

MISS ME SOME AZERITE GEAR

POG

[spice spire]

Gonna keep myself safe on that take

Sheeesh

[gusty mirage]

I hope they bring that system back, rehire Jeff Hamilton he had the best ideas ever

[royal lantern]

my hope in the wow community died when people said they hate borrowed power that you need to unlock first so much, and then begged for tiersets in the same sentence tbh

[gusty mirage]

Between azerite gear, the vendor for it, the jailers eye in the maw, and dom shards

10:10

[uncut echo]

I shouldve just never played rogue tbj

[gusty mirage]

Ayo same

[subtle kiln]

i legit uninstalled discord and did dog food prep until my hands bleed

[uncut echo]

And gotten stockholmed into loving this shit

[royal lantern]

we all do

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I mean it’s a fun class, we just get forgotten repeatedly

[royal lantern]

rogues are #1 at gas lighting themself into thinking they enjoy the class

[spice spire]

What if I just try to empathize with the suffering I see daily by playing rogue?

I actually love the class ngl

[gusty mirage]

Which one of y’all mfers ganked Ion in Blackrock Mountain repeatedly to cause this???

[uncut echo]

I mean, in all fairness

I do too

The flavor of rogue makes me wet but like

[royal lantern]

same man

[dense cedar]

nothing really scratches the same itch rogue does

[gusty mirage]

The core of rogue is the most fun I’ve ever had in wow

[royal lantern]

like, i play rogue stuff in ALL games lol

[gusty mirage]

It’s just not fun to do no fucking damage lmao

[uncut echo]

FUCK DOES THIS SHIT NOT HIT

[royal lantern]

no matter if videogame or pen&papper/tabletop

always the sneaky agile stabby guy

[uncut echo]

Same Tryan

[spice spire]

The weird thing is, I’m not

[gusty mirage]

Imagine being a Ret pally who refuses to heal or tank

That’s all 3 rogue specs in SL

[spice spire]

I played wow at a friends house in 2004, and tried all the classes, rogue made sense to me and I enjoyed it

[royal lantern]

tbf, for those hybrid classes its weird sometimes, you recruit a paladin for dps, so you get a dps player, and then want them to heal/tank suddenly?

[gusty mirage]

Account sharing, I’m reporting you to the fbi

[spice spire]

No man

[subtle kiln]

PLAY ALL THREE SPECS BRO

[royal lantern]

you talk in a rogue channel man

[gusty mirage]

I mean depending on the level of content you’d expect some level of competency in the entire class, no?

[royal lantern]

eh, i can understand wanting a tank offspec for a dps

but healing is so different

dunno

[gusty mirage]

We had a mage trial btw

Arcane one trick, put in his app that he can play “all specs”

Guess how many times he showcased frost or fire

[spice spire]

0

[subtle kiln]

our priest main, alts a pali. heals and tanks

[royal lantern]

oh lol, thats me

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Or just the one

Pretty sure that’s the punchline

[dense cedar]

one-tricking arcane is like saying u can play arcane for only 1 patch

[uncut echo]

My only problem in wow is that I want my main to be the representation if myself in the game. So i hate swapping mains

[spice spire]

Not if you’re built diff

[royal lantern]

"can play all specs" means "i 1trick 1 spec, when i play the other specs, i peak at a 27log"

[spice spire]

Not always

[uncut echo]

But every tank is an idiot

[gusty mirage]

He was fine as a player, but he didn’t take any of it seriously and never bothered to show he can play other specs on fights that were better for them

[royal lantern]

hey, atleast i did some multi spec in SL

CN as sub/outlaw, SoD as assa

[gusty mirage]

Like at least show us you’re competent in another one

[spice spire]

I’d label Cev a one trick but he can play all very well. Man just built diffly on sim

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

Would you label me a one trick

[dense cedar]

gotta go tell all the BM and MM hunters to play Survival

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you are good enough, it doesnt matter if you are a 1trick tbh

[spice spire]

Nah you’re definitely a two pop.
You okay outlaw a bit

[gusty mirage]

I’ve played all 3 specs

[dark token]

Yes it does

[onyx wind]

sin looks like it has a significantly higher skill ceiling in DF

[royal lantern]

unless balance is REALLY fucked

[onyx wind]

could be fun

[dark token]

Try one tricking sin in rwf on Lords of dread

[spice spire]

Yeah but you play outlaw well

[dark token]

What a joke

[gusty mirage]

I play sub well too how dare you

[spice spire]

Take the meme buddy

You play outlaw a lot tho

Sub sparingly

[gusty mirage]

I’ve played way more sub than outlaw lol

[royal lantern]

are you really bringing up the rwf as a argument now?

[spice spire]

Really?

[royal lantern]

what the fuck

[gusty mirage]

Really

[spice spire]

9.0 you were outlaw OTP until buffs. And you’ve been doing outlaw keys full time yeah?

[uncut echo]

Subs the only one Im bad at

[gusty mirage]

I played sub in reclears of SOD and did a bunch of seppy as sub

[dark token]

Doesn't need to be in rwf I meant like HoF guilds before they were nerfed, really

[uncut echo]

Well, 9.3 sub

[gusty mirage]

Buddy

#7 assassination rogue in the world

[uncut echo]

I hated perforated

[gusty mirage]

For s4

[uncut echo]

S4 LOL

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[royal lantern]

out of 9?

[gusty mirage]

Watch your whore mouth

[uncut echo]

I got a r43 kill in mythic sep as outlul

In pepatch

[gusty mirage]

Put some respeck on my name

[uncut echo]

:>

[spice spire]

It’s out of 11

[uncut echo]

:>:>:>:>:>:>

[spice spire]

I’m so proud of you

[gusty mirage]

Higher than your stank ass

[spice spire]

Not sarcasm

[spice spire]

That’s true

[gusty mirage]

Clowned me for playing outlaw

So I had to make a point

[spice spire]

Can’t find a tank to save my life, and current healer scared of 20+

[royal lantern]

im #7 assa rogue on Prepatch Mythic fatescribe

out of 14 assa rogues that killed it

[gusty mirage]

Bro why are you doing fatescribe

[spice spire]

Same thing I did to you in s2

[gusty mirage]

Blink twice if you’re being held captive

[uncut echo]

Pop off king

Tbf it's easy to do when no one plays rogue

[gusty mirage]

I had higher IO than you?

[uncut echo]

I'm also rank 2 bdk in sepulcher

[royal lantern]

trial in a new guild rn, some peeps where missing the kill for the fated achievment i gues?

[spice spire]

I’m pretty sure, fuck if I know

[uncut echo]

For healing

[spice spire]

That was before my move

[gusty mirage]

That’s terrorism, we need to report this

[spice spire]

So I actually did keys some and enjoyed them

[royal lantern]

that i play assa in a trial?

[gusty mirage]

No that they made you do fatescribe

Wtf

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHA

Okay

[royal lantern]

i actually did more dps then the outlaw

on all fights

[uncut echo]

for me, gn gamers

[gusty mirage]

Because you built diffy

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Do not accept that offer. Gabagool rogue in guild unreal

Gn ahri, get some good rest homie

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire this you?

[royal lantern]

it was a m+ only guy that is going monk in df soooooo

[spice spire]

Unreal

[gusty mirage]

Nice point proven in season 2 bro

[spice spire]

I can’t believe you did this

[gusty mirage]

I played assassination for like the last 3 weeks of the season

PEPELAUGH

[spice spire]

Nah I got you playing earlier

Because I was making fun of your sub io

[gusty mirage]

Got dunked on with two specs

And you had the audacity to call me an outlaw in keys main

[spice spire]

I said you’ve been doing outlaw in keys buddy

Where was the main said?!

[gusty mirage]

You’re dead to me

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Join forever man on the block list

[subtle kiln]

[royal lantern]

you mean infiniteman

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I mean zoomerwithnocommonsense boy

[royal lantern]

restless crew is not big bro

trust me bro

wtf they removed it?

[royal lantern]

no reason to play outlaw now wtf wtf

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Wait you’re not an outlaw main, not allowed to have an opinion

[royal lantern]

that was a real perpetualbuddy moment

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Constantfriend

[subtle kiln]

linear damage has no place in the cleave raid for a cleave spec.

[onyx wind]

surely alacrity must be bugged with ER no?

[royal lantern]

like man, he just always jumps bettwen "legit smart moments" and "most stupid 1trick shit you ever heared" in 2min spans

[subtle kiln]

i just see the 1trick. tag me next smart moment.

[onyx wind]

maybe im just seeing things

but alacrity fell off twice in 3 minutes

[spice spire]

Let’s not dedicate some time to slander another fellow rogue

[subtle kiln]

did you help it back up?

[spice spire]

Do you have logs?

Afaik it’s not, but logs would be helpful in this case

[onyx wind]

ive just been hitting a dummy

[spice spire]

Yeah you can log it

[subtle kiln]

do you have logs of hitting the dummy?

[onyx wind]

no

[spice spire]

Well I’ll note it in case I hear someone else say it

[subtle kiln]

try to log and see if you can reproduce it with whatever setup you’re running

would be most helpful

[royal lantern]

oh w8, the outlaw channel went from "spec is the best thing ever omg <3333" to doomer mode because.......?

what did i miss

[subtle kiln]

assa st buffs?

[gusty mirage]

they have to be best at everything

[subtle kiln]

feral beating them in keys?

[royal lantern]

oh, so just the normal "im not the golden child, now im not happy anymore" situation

[gusty mirage]

good

now buff sub to beat them in ST

so they can all reroll WW monk

[royal lantern]

leme gues, fishing for buffs and high 5roll uptime is now not fun anymore?

[subtle kiln]

their linear dmg now even more linear

[gusty mirage]

but wait

when energy regen was nerfed

and they had empty globals

[next edge]

Isn't outlaw still a beast in next raid

[gusty mirage]

the SPEC WAS RUINED

[royal lantern]

40apm

[next edge]

If adds are relevant

[royal lantern]

30

20 even

[gusty mirage]

of course

but don't let that matter

[royal lantern]

i really think it deepens on your raidcomp overall tbh

[gusty mirage]

WE'RE NO LONGER BIS IN ST

WAHHHHH

-outlaw rogues probably

they want the best aoe, the best cleave, and the best ST

wild

[subtle kiln]

just wait for a 7 minute execute phase

[next edge]

Depending on our comp I'll play sin or not most likely

[subtle kiln]

have to make up for Sylv

[next edge]

I like both, sin way more tho

[gusty mirage]

remember when fury was looking real good for 9.1?

then sylv happened

enjoy your executes warriors

[subtle kiln]

and arms timing magically aligned with EVERYTHING

[gusty mirage]

crazy how that worked out

[subtle kiln]

fucking condemn

lol

[gusty mirage]

the most perfect timeline for me

would be sub gets buffed in ST

and beats outlaw

and every outlaw rogue otp rerolls

to like WW monk or something

[next edge]

Warlock

[gusty mirage]

too slow

they need to ALWAYS PRESS BUTTONS

remember?

"OUTLAW HAS EMPTY GLOBALS YOU RUINED THE FEEL THE SPEC"

[signal pier]

rain of fire rain of fire rain of fire

[subtle kiln]

press buttons faster

[spare crow]

I mean it would only make sense imo

[gusty mirage]

outlaw has empty globals now

at 80 apm

lmao

shit happens, sometimes you don't proc

[eager sorrel]

Time to spec tea /s

[bold drum]

100apm

[gusty mirage]

people one tricking the rogue spec that's historically had the most variance get madge about an empty global here or there

[bold drum]

i need a third hand

[gusty mirage]

and if you disagree with them, "YOU DON'T EVEN MAIN OUTLAW"

not having empty globals means none of your abilities are going to hit particularly hard because balancing is a thing

[eager sorrel]

Does anyone CE actually 1 trick a spec ever?

[bold drum]

no joke tea helps a lot with the ho build

[gusty mirage]

outlaw rogues cry about empty globals, then cry they have linear damage

like ok?

[eager sorrel]

I could see it, ambush isn't cheap

[gusty mirage]

like they didn't pay attention to what happened to sub rogue in s3/s4 of SL?

their their absurdly high dance and blades uptimes

[next edge]

ce is not hard to obtain

[gusty mirage]

and sub didn't get one fucking meaningful tweak because of it?

[next edge]

If you main WRF that's different

[subtle kiln]

yes

[royal lantern]

i just want endless spamming abilitys, and burst windows, and good dmg outside of those burst windows, and good burst cleave, and good sustained cleave, and good ST, and good execute, is this really to much to ask for? fking entilted assa/sub players

[spice spire]

[next edge]

A top 1400 guild can get CE

[gusty mirage]

summed up well

[next edge]

And it means shit what you play there

[flint marsh]

even liquid only require their raiders to play 1 spec

just many play more

[eager sorrel]

Unironically I still wish IC gave 2 target rupture as well.

[royal lantern]

ye but then you probs get benched

[next edge]

That's not true

Or u get benchef

[royal lantern]

like, on that level you dont play a class

[flint marsh]

not if their specs good

[royal lantern]

they recruit the player

and the player has ~3 classes ready

[next edge]

They just play the BEST

Not what's good

[royal lantern]

^

[dire lake]

If your class has multiple dps specs, you play whats best

[next edge]

Top end players

Play what guild needs

[subtle kiln]

unless you’re Seli

[next edge]

After prog, what they want

[royal lantern]

if it would be a possible option with mechanics and stuff, world first guys would play 16x the same dps class

[flint marsh]

they have 1 trick players and if their spec ends up being good then they are in and if they aren't then they sit

[next edge]

I doubt that's the case

[dire lake]

Remember U'naat? x) Didn't they stack like 10 locks or some shit?

[next edge]

You see same players playing different classes every tier

[subtle kiln]

not even that. if they don’t get lucky with gear they’re out

[next edge]

Unless they main is meta

[flint marsh]

thd said they have no requirement for players to even have alts, it just means if you don't then you're gonna reduce your odds

[next edge]

And same with gear

[royal lantern]

you mean "shadowpriest and warlock: the tier?"

[next edge]

Hence they have several chars

And play geared one

[dire lake]

ahahaha exactly

[next edge]

6SP on Xavi us CE

[subtle kiln]

or you’re jpc with missing 4pc

[flint marsh]

ye sometimes you don't get gear and you get sat

is life

[next edge]

You just try to gear the other toon

Again

They recruit players not character / classes

[flint marsh]

they have recruited many ppl based on being spec specialists

[next edge]

And they have tools and ways to make sure those players can be geared enough

[flint marsh]

e.g. their enhance shaman

[subtle kiln]

you release jpc was sat because of tier

on 4 rogues or whatever he had

[flint marsh]

them and echo have both had players sat due to gear

[subtle kiln]

none got 4 pc

[flint marsh]

their split runs mitigate the problem but don't remove it

[next edge]

That was gigaunlucky thi

[subtle kiln]

perfecto in sod

it happens

curious to see the degenerate nature with ML back

[flint marsh]

sylvanas tier was trash for that

[copper hazel]

they sat some of their best players because of the gems in sod

[flint marsh]

ye

[next edge]

ML will help i guess

[flint marsh]

raid release schedule will make their decisions on splits more interesting

because all the split time is losing mythic time

[bold lynx]

a good m+ build for assa?

[thorn crater]

press N, press the middle panel

activate outlaw

[bold lynx]

i have like 400+ hours on beta on outlaw

let me try something else ahah

[thorn crater]

check pins then

[bold lynx]

please ahah

[thorn crater]

there is one

[bold lynx]

i cannot tell which one for the 3 images are for m+, that's why i asked

probably the third one with crimson tempest i might say

[flint marsh]

says image 3: m+

[dense cedar]

beta or live?

[bold lynx]

i am pretty dumb, thanks

[dense cedar]

🤟 ?

"love_you"

never seen it used to mean that

[flint marsh]

lol defo doesnt mean that

[thorn crater]

CT and KB together

is the best build atm

sorry i mena

IC and KB

[dense cedar]

apparently it means that for American sign language

[flint marsh]

oh wow TIL

[onyx wind]

Was just checking if it was a known bug cause it felt iffy

[viscid spear]

[dense cedar]

?

[viscid spear]

Another interpretation of the hand sign, in regards to rock/metal music

[dense cedar]

yes im aware

was just mentioning why the emjoi is called that

[viscid spear]

[onyx wind]

does anyone have rup/gar WA that tracks exsang?

[limber lion]

Luxthos does

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[onyx wind]

no i mean whether gar/rup is exsanguinated

maybe it does and i just broke it when disassembling

[teal bloom]

Garrote and rupture icons should have a dot if they are exsanged

In the luxthos' one

[onyx wind]

ah i prob just broke it then

[vagrant bison]

there is a working wa for autocasting tricks on the tank? the one i had for the whole SL doesn't work anymore

[limber lion]

you have to reload when you import it

then it should work

[eager sorrel]

https://www.lingvano.com/asl/blog/i-love-you-in-sign-language/

Just saw the other reply :

[obsidian beacon]

🤘 vs 🤟

[viscid spear]

Some people interpret the thumb as a tail

[onyx wind]

worked, realised u have to keep class options/general options if u wanna steal the WA

otherwise it wont work

[subtle tundra]

guys is assa good now?

[onyx wind]

yes

[subtle tundra]

delete outlaw

[onyx wind]

Any gosu assa players who have been toying around on beta, or simming a ton?

[limber lion]

gosu

[onyx wind]

Are we supposed to mutilate over ambush during kingsbane since it has a higher chance to proc poisons?

[subtle tundra]

ambush bcs energy

[onyx wind]

And if its in the opener where energy isnt an issue?

[subtle tundra]

unless i am in dm i run out of energy in kb

[onyx wind]

yea yea obv

but in an ideal world where its just down to whatever global u press

[subtle tundra]

idk

[limber lion]

You don't really get to choose do ya?

Pretty much only if Blindside procs

and if it procs, you would ambush every time

[onyx wind]

yes thats what i mean

has it been simmed?

[limber lion]

yes

probablyu

If you mutilate with a blindside proc, you're basically throwing away the potential of procing Blindside on the Mutilate effectively wasting an Ambush cast and the energy.

[iron orchid]

that's what I was writing x)

too fast man

[onyx wind]

Yeah i get that, but looking at it from the other perspective, casting mutilate has a chance to buff an ability that hits for 20k by 20%

[limber lion]

Sure, give me a sec

[onyx wind]

Thanks!

[limber lion]

I did do some KB sims previously but KB has since then been buffed a million times so we'll see what happens.

@onyx wind

[onyx wind]

huge, thanks

and thats in opener with lust and everything right?

[limber lion]

always

with every kb window

[dark token]

How do you even play from eu on beta, i was gonna do sin m+ but I tried SS on 3 target dummies and called it quits when it was laggy enough I couldn't even do thst

Really needs its own server

[subtle tundra]

feels fine for me

[toxic ocean]

org is really laggy for me but dungeons are fine

[uncut echo]

Henlo

What did I miss

[onyx wind]

what if u only sim the first 30 seconds

[sharp falcon]

Yes but if you Ambush while KB is up you're basically throwing away the potential of procing poison on the Mutilate OH hit effectively wasting a KB dmg stack

interesting to see the ambush is worth much more though (if true)

[limber lion]

Doesn't change anything.

[limber lion]

Yeah, which would kinda make sense if you were at energy saturation so pressing Ambush would just effectively overcap you on energy.

but Ambush also does a lot of damage by itself

[sharp falcon]

yeah

[uncut echo]

I mean ideally Blindside procs should feel worth to press in most if not all scenarios over mut right

Even during kingsbane

Otherwise that seems counterintuitive to a new player

[night delta]

good point

[limber lion]

Sure, but I'm personally an advocate for stuff like this where you can minmax it for maximum potential and gain. It wouldn't make much of a difference to a newer player anyways, but it elevates the experience for a more advanced player.

[onyx wind]

Its not a big difference regardless

Did you sim the first 30 seconds, or are u just assuming it wont make a difference?

[limber lion]

Even if skipping Ambush was a gain, it's such a small thing compared to million of other things you could be doing better in your rotation where it doesn't make a difference at all.

[limber lion]

So, why would that change anything in your opinion?

[onyx wind]

You have infinite energy

[limber lion]

You already do

I did sim skipping ambush during dm + kb windows

but it's the same thing

[onyx wind]

Did you sim skipping no matter what, or only if u also had DM going

[limber lion]

Both

[uncut echo]

I agree with you, but some way of a new player finding these things out without having to contact a discord or a guide would be beneficial. However, a pretty egregious instance that I found was on outlaw where you do NOT use a GSW proc unless you have Opportunity for a double slash of SS. You let it fall off in favor of SS.

We've all played wow for so long that these min max scenarios are commonplace, but I've had personal friends quit due to the random nuances od each class.

[onyx wind]

Would def appreciate if you could sim first 30 seconds

So i can sleep at night

[subtle tundra]

i cant sleep

[onyx wind]

Assa has a lot of intricacies honestly

Especially on this patch

[limber lion]

Why would that matter whatsoever? If you're a beginner player, you don't need to know about every single thing you can minmax on when you can't even do the normal rotation itself right. If you seek to become a more advanced and better player, that's when you seek for guidance and help somewhere else, just like you do with any other video game.

If you want to get better at League, you watch the top 0.1% play the game, contact coaches, watch Youtube guides and so on

[onyx wind]

Stuff like pooling so u can overlap more EP's holding garrote refresh to hit ER CP and so on

[limber lion]

That makes no sense to me because you're literally talking about something that is very minute and inconsequential.

[sand dirge]

could skipping ambush during kingsbane in the execute window be a thing because of the buffed poison dmg?

[onyx wind]

Just discussing things is really interesting

[limber lion]

That's the beauty of the game, having a lot of to do and learn instead of picking up the rotation in 3 minutes and then doing the same thing forever and ever.

It's an evolving game.

[limber lion]

I'll give it a shot.

[uncut echo]

I agree with you, it's what has captivated me for nearly 17 years now

[onyx wind]

Some people dont care to find out optimal stuff because its "not a big difference anyway"

[gusty breach]

as a person who got to 0.1%, thats false, you just press buttons and get masters

[onyx wind]

But its fun B)

[gusty breach]

[uncut echo]

Just these silly little minmaxes that are counterintuitive to the class design seem silly

[fresh estuary]

What's got me hooked on Enhance back in the day, but these days rogue adds more challenge

[onyx wind]

you just play certain champions u mean

[gusty breach]

pretty much

i play talon

cuz i wanna feel rogue like

[uncut echo]

U play talon and press buttons

[gusty breach]

obv Ceverion point stands

[uncut echo]

Tracks

[gusty breach]

i'm just memeing

[limber lion]

Is there any examples you could give me, other than the Outlaw one?

Anything for Assa?

[uncut echo]

Skipping blindsides during KB windows

[onyx wind]

Just the fact that mutilate procs extra poisons gives room for 100 new optimizations and scenarios

If its worth it, that is

[uncut echo]

Like above, which Realz looked like he was interested in exploring

[onyx wind]

And since the difference between doing the optimizations and not is really small

The average player wont "underperform"

[limber lion]

Except we don't do that

[uncut echo]

No. I guess not. Apologies Cev, might have been an overexaggeration on my end

[gusty breach]

i like that tbh

simple nice rotation + boss mechanics on top

• some raid side jobs during the fight

thats enough

[onyx wind]

Only really matters for rwf and people going for rank1 parses

[royal lantern]

rank1 parse is just "got feed 2million externals" mate lol

[uncut echo]

Realz implied they're interested in exploring it.

[onyx wind]

rip parsing

[limber lion]

And even if it was the case, it would be such a minor thing to minmax. At the end of the day there's a million different things you should be doing to make your big number to bigger, like positioning, mechanical prowess and so on

[uncut echo]

Forcefed pi be like

[limber lion]

Good.

[onyx wind]

I wish i knew how to write APL's so i could test these things for myself

[uncut echo]

Nah you're definitely right, I concede my initial criticism

[sullen hollow]

fun

[limber lion]

Not pressing that Blindside proc will not be the difference between 65k dps and 70k

[royal lantern]

the fourth sigil

[gusty breach]

😮

[limber lion]

more like 65100 dps and 65090 dps

[uncut echo]

That'd be like, a couple hundred dps

[royal lantern]

why do we now make some wananbe minmax shit up

do you really need to NOT use a proc during KB to feel fulfilled playing the spec?

[final star]

min max

[onyx wind]

Minmaxing is fun to some people

[final star]

so tryhard

[subtle tundra]

10 dps in not a minmax

its margin of error

[onyx wind]

Its not about implementing it, its about having the discussion

[timid cloud]

As long as I’m not equipping another legendary for 100 DPS pre-pull…

[gusty breach]

i like min-maxing my idle dnd champions. in wow i prefer the confy playstyle over top dps one

[royal lantern]

there is a difference bettwen minmax and wanting something to change for a difference that doesnt even exist

[uncut echo]

I can certainly appreciate you discussing this like an adult with me

[onyx wind]

Noone is forcing you to participate

If it ended up being a 5% gain, would you not have wanted to know?

[gusty breach]

thats a sub rogue thing right?

[timid cloud]

Shut up, dum dum!

[onyx wind]

Youre judging based on the outcome

We love that B)

[timid cloud]

Yes. (Was)

[gusty breach]

ye

i wish they brough back swaping gear in m+ tho

that was so tight in legion

[onyx wind]

Some people wanna do more, some people wanna do less, both try to justify it

[royal lantern]

it was the most stupid shit ever, and there was a reason they removed it

[gusty breach]

ik ik, i loved it tho

[timid cloud]

Hot take. I don’t think I will partake.

[royal lantern]

making a gear swap macro and pressing it before and after bosses was not good game desing

[twilit hollow]

having an Opie wheel with 10 sets of gear was great WDYM

[gusty breach]

not saying anything about anything related to overall system, i just enjoyed my aoe lego in aoe packs and my single target lego on bosses

[cerulean walrus]

[teal bloom]

When you vanish, does the sim ambush-garrote or just garrote?

[gusty breach]

probably garrote for ironwire or w.e. right?

[timid cloud]

As for the min maxing? Cev knows what he’s talking about. “At the end of the day there's a million different things you should be doing to make your big number to bigger, like positioning, mechanical prowess and so on”

Knowing the fight is legit half the battle.

[limber lion]

It uses Ambush as well if it has the time and combo point deficiency to do so. More often than not it's 2 garrotes and 1 finisher though.

60 dps gain to ignore Blindside procs during Kingsbane when the target is <35% hp

Go nuts.

[timid cloud]

[cerulean walrus]

Enormous

[teal bloom]

Oh yeah i forgot that the double garrote is worth it

[sand dirge]

thx though 🙂

[faint harness]

thx king

i will make sure to get my 60 dps

[timid cloud]

That’s a lot of damage!

[faint harness]

många bäckar små

[royal lantern]

Im A MiNmAxEr So ThAt InFoRmAtIoN Is ImPoRtAnT AnD MaKeS A DiFfErEnCe!!!!!

[cerulean walrus]

60 damage

[limber lion]

make sure you also have 100% uptime on the boss and never move out of range, that would be tragic. Probably more than 60 dps :O

[cerulean walrus]

[gusty breach]

https://media.tenor.com/DATRxbxadaoAAAAC/a-lot-of-damage.gif

[faint harness]

true

[dark token]

That's what makes it fun if every class is 12121212 boring I'd instantly quit

[royal lantern]

the only reason we didnt kill the boss smh my head

ONLY reason, nothing else

[cerulean walrus]

Just eat mechanics and don’t die ez

[faint harness]

you mean cloak

[cerulean walrus]

Go get that 100 dawg

[timid cloud]

[cerulean walrus]

Exactly

Eat that shit dog

[faint harness]

EATING TEH SHIT, SIR YES SIR

[cerulean walrus]

Real rogues don’t feint

[faint harness]

FEINT IS A DPS LOSS SIR

[limber lion]

No worries, I can see where you were coming from but Blindside also has a higher proc rate during execute so it's more wasted potential not pressing it. But yeah doesn't really matter one way or the other.

[timid cloud]

Catch me hitting Evasion during The Nine SUCC in. Me? Mechanics? Paladin BOP me, I’m staying in.

[faint harness]

real rogues avoid talenting blind + feint

[royal lantern]

im minmaxing, cant grab cheath death, its a dps lost

[cerulean walrus]

That’s right dog

[royal lantern]

could be a dps talent

[cerulean walrus]

All the damage

Life comes at you fast

[ebon notch]

feint a dps loss as long as you dont die

[limber lion]

As opposed to not a dps loss if you do die?

[timid cloud]

Who needs Feint when you got Avoidance?

[cerulean walrus]

Who needs feint when you can just call for externals

Fuck em dude

Tanks don’t need that shit

[timid cloud]

TRUE!

[faint harness]

there you go

fuck feint

[royal lantern]

biggest dps loss if beeing targeted by mechanics

thats why i only do LFR, i can ignore all mechanics and have the BIGGEST dps

[ebon notch]

ye

[royal lantern]

[timid cloud]

Cursed.

[ebon notch]

cause then you mitigated ur death

[oblique tangle]

Even I have questions about this one and I'm the "Play-for-fun" guy

[faint harness]

dont we all "play for fun"

is someone here playing because they are forced to

[oblique tangle]

Sorry, play-to-not-min-max-your-character

Figured that bit was obvious

[faint harness]

no feint, no cheat death

thats fun

[teal bloom]

So you always double garrote in vanish window? Is the extra two seconds of empowered garrote that good 🤔

[oblique tangle]

Honestly I think it would be better if you avoided tea and went shadow dance :)

[uncut echo]

No capstone sin when

[balmy condor]

prepatch

right now

[uncut echo]

Based

Hey whispyr

[celest ruin]

be a gigachad and get cold blood

cold blood > throwing knife BIS opener

[balmy condor]

Hey ahri

[uncut echo]

Hope ur having a good day :)

[balmy condor]

its been pretty good so far!

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor whispyr sir, do you always double garrote in the vanish windows even if you would only get 2 more seconds of empowered garrote?

[balmy condor]

with shrouded that's the current idea yes

[onyx wind]

B) we did it

[alpine latch]

Is Sin mostly played now like prior to 4p?

[oak pulsar]

kinda you have some fundamentally different abilities

bleeds and posions are same try to keep up envenom buff just try to KB before DM hold shivs for KB

[uncut echo]

We're a 2 min class with 1 min sub intervals

[alpine latch]

I'm good with that, lol

Similar to the SoD days

[uncut echo]

For what you're asking, yes

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Bring back reagents for abilities

[spice spire]

No man

[harsh garden]

So DF will be my first time maining DPS with 3 different specs. What is the typical gap for a FotM spec vs what we choose to play. Like if I’m wanting to just play Assassination but Outlaw is meta, in the past how big is that gap usually? I’m guessing unnoticeable unless I’m HoF raiding right?

[spice spire]

Yeah

It’s all subject to tuning, but in general, unless your hof, if you can play it well enough, it won’t be enough of a difference, to - well - make a difference, unless it’s a really big tuning error

Like CN assassination was tuned horribly to start out with

[harsh garden]

cool ty

[next edge]

If you like Assa

you're more than fine

specially as it looks right now

[harsh garden]

yeah my hands cannot keep up with Outlaw

as fun as it is

[copper hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-ok-boomer-bernie-bernie-sanders-gif-16819013

[spice spire]

Damn

[vagrant bison]

delet dis

[timid cloud]

Outlaw is really fast paced, like a rushing river, while Sin reminds me more of a body of water, there’s an ebb and flow to it (due to seal fate)

[spice spire]

@timid cloud brother?

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

You should love yourself, right now

[timid cloud]

Can you do it for me my pal?

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[final star]

This mf living like Mulan playing this spec ur down bad

[timid cloud]

Oh trust me, it wasn’t me who wrote that.

[spice spire]

You added a bit of an addendum there brethren

So ackshually

[onyx wind]

env/kb/shiv order?

[dark token]

If anything outlaw or sub is more ebb and flow lmao

[timid cloud]

A little bit, otherwise it doesn’t flow right. (Due to Seal Fate.)

[final star]

Seal this ratio

[timid cloud]

I’ll see myself out.

[onyx wind]

env->kb->shiv?

[balmy condor]

Shiv env kb

[onyx wind]

ty

[eager sorrel]

Can't recall, does envenom pandemic again?

[balmy condor]

yes

[weak horizon]

Interesting, so is it worth it to hold envenoms for pandemic?

[balmy condor]

no

[weak horizon]

Or are you mostly gated by cp generation such that you don't need to worry about that outside of some special cases like MFD?

[balmy condor]

you're gated by energy for the most part

because you will literally overflow on cp and energy hours before envenom hits pandemic in most situations

and in the case you don't it's not relevant anyway

[tacit oar]

Hey, is haste > Crit > versa> mastery still our stat priority? Is it gonna change with df ? And haste and Crit are value because we are starving for energy right ?

[balmy condor]

crit mast

[tacit oar]

Crit mast now okay

[balmy condor]

yeh

[tacit oar]

Haste isn't cool for energy?

[balmy condor]

and vers has always been our worst stat

idk who told you it was better

[tacit oar]

Damn I have like 30% vers

But I'm doing pvp kinda so it's fine

[balmy condor]

but we went from crit > haste > mast > vers to crit > mast > haste > vers

[tacit oar]

ah yeh swapped vers and mast in my head

Okay thanks a lot

[balmy condor]

np

[weak horizon]

Ty for the pandemic envenom info

[frosty breach]

With the newly posted trees are we using apm now > deadly?

amp*

[balmy condor]

did you read the pin

horses really be in the middle of the pacific and still not drinking

[twilit hollow]

yo that would be death wth

[tacit oar]

Wouldn't try either

So hyped to execute in df with the kingbane build

[balmy condor]

every time someone didn't read a disclaimer from my beta spreadsheet and asked something that was exactly outlined in it, I increased the font size by 1. We started at 10, by the end of a 6 week cycle we were at 24

[twilit hollow]

lmfao i know im just joking about drinking ocean water

[tacit oar]

so bored waiting content, started pvping as Assa. And exsang is literal dope in pvp like the target MELT once you press that thing

[copper hazel]

youll be pressing it in pve soon too

[tacit oar]

Ya but not the same feels

[frosty breach]

@balmy condor missed one line - no need to be adick

😉

[balmy condor]

it ain't about you bud don't take it personally

[tacit oar]

[balmy condor]

it's also legit a whole ass paragraph

[marble hemlock]

surprised it wasnt at 240

[spice spire]

I’ll be sure to make it 72 this time papi

Gotta pump those numbers up

[timid cloud]

My pal really do just be writing words & no one listens….

[spice spire]

🤨

[balmy condor]

you'd think the miss rate would go down over time

[timid cloud]

Yeah, just forgot to hit BOLD.

[maiden sparrow]

can anyone share their talent tree build. raid and m+

[marble hemlock]

[maiden sparrow]

prepatch

[minor anchor]

Literally in the pins

[balmy condor]

prepatch isn't

well

kinda is

it just tells you to go to wowhead/icyveins

[minor aurora]

how does assassination look in mythic plus for DF

[oak pulsar]

pretty alright still slightly behind outlaw if you are doing less then 25 key ur solid 👍

final tuning pending.tm

[minor aurora]

okay perfect, was just seeing i mean i like both outlaw and assassination but im doing rogue for my guild so wanting to see how they fair in mythic plus as well!

[oak pulsar]

everything with a grain of salt for the next 5 weeks or so

ya fairly different play styles but all fun!

[proper tapir]

So with the KB build we'd open with the following? Amb -> SnD -> Gar -> SBS -> Rup -> ER -> Rup -> Vanish -> Gar -> Exsang -> DM -> Shiv -> Env -> KB

[honest vessel]

thats a sheesh right there

that sounds sick

[balmy condor]

yeh that's pretty much it

shiv dm env works too

[proper tapir]

Thanks! Imo, putting anything between Exsang and DM feels cringe, even if it is shiv.

[grizzled jay]

disgusting

[obsidian beacon]

Spoiler alert: mobs die before you get your opener off

Also someone stop me from rolling feral.

[vernal cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-no-nope-nah-disagree-gif-15992656

[honest vessel]

cat is cool

[candid geyser]

Yeah i did a random 10 as and everything dies before you even get going

feels a lot better in 15s

[next arch]

Feral is banging rn

[oblique tangle]

Give me a tl;dr so I don't have to read it all <3

[proper tapir]

Bro, I'm not going to pretend that I play Sin in M+.

[honest vessel]

the paragraph is a tl:dw of the stream

[green harbor]

feral is fun for the first time in forever, enjoy it while it lasts

[honest vessel]

feral's been fun imo, it's just been bad

it's nice to not have to level for a year for primal wrath tho lmfao

[green harbor]

i've always found every druid spec omega boring until DF

[honest vessel]

no primal wrath sucked bawls

what changed for ya?

[green harbor]

they became fun with the new trees

apart from resto probably

[honest vessel]

well yeah but what talents made the difference

[green harbor]

spamming rejuv is the worst healer design

feral got a lot more resources and balance got some much needed flavour

[honest vessel]

by resources you mean like energy gen?

[green harbor]

and combo points, yeah

the spec was largely a waiting for energy simulator until now

[honest vessel]

oh so like cat eye and moment being takeable

ye that makes sense

[green harbor]

yeah i always wanted to use moment but it competed with bloodtalons for some reason

[honest vessel]

idk i dont like feral/sin when the energy gen is super high

i think they are at their most fun with low apm

have to consider the energy use more

can use downtime for other things like util and mechanics

[green harbor]

as long as a spec doesn't get to outlaw levels of apm, i like it

[honest vessel]

fun to omptimize

[obsidian beacon]

I enjoyed feral during 9.0 but rerolled bc no one was inviting them to pugs

Is feral leaning into bleeds or bite spam?

Wait hold on this isn’t the feral channel

[spice spire]

🤨

[subtle kiln]

please control your asylum

[spice spire]

Brother I can’t control the cats in my raid

You think I can do a whole ass discord?

[subtle kiln]

yes. I believe in you.

[spice spire]

I don’t

[oblique tangle]

Why not? What are you, a chicken?

[subtle kiln]

taunting from a yellow. that’s rich

[oblique tangle]

I do main assassination though. I don't really have the ability to choose which one comes out on the name

[subtle kiln]

um #bot-spam would like a word

[oblique tangle]

But they have priority based on where they are in the role section of Discord. If I remove assassination and re-add it, I'll still be yellow.

And if you add Sub first and then the other two, you'll always be teal.

[spice spire]

members wouldn't know the struggle

[subtle kiln]

you can 100% change your color

or ask a mod if it is proving to be a challenge.

[spice spire]

yeah, you have to delete outlaw from your roles

that's how you do it

[subtle kiln]

I don’t identify with a color.

why do you hate me

[spice spire]

I don't know color

(colorblind)

legit can't tell if member is peak or like

brown

pink even

holy

[pure moth]

just delete outlaw

[oblique tangle]

How are you not following what I'm saying though lol

[spice spire]

hate u

[spice spire]

no man

[subtle kiln]

I follow that you’re wrong and don’t know what you’re doing

[oblique tangle]

???????

Lmfao what

[subtle kiln]

go red

show me

[oblique tangle]

You can do it yourself man. Add Outlaw, and then add assassination

and tell me if you're yellow, or red

[subtle kiln]

you can

lol

[oblique tangle]

Because you will be yellow.

[subtle kiln]

type !outlaw to delete

bwahaha

[oblique tangle]

Because the discord roles on this server hav sub over outlaw which is over assassination lmfao

[subtle kiln]

then add a new one

[oblique tangle]

You can literally do it with in welcome by c clicking a button too

[spice spire]

don't be mean to new people

[oblique tangle]

I know he's tryna be mean to be but I don't understand what he's saying he's lookin' like a goof

[subtle kiln]

insisting you can’t. just doesn’t know how and isn’t listening.

[oblique tangle]

This isn't even a good troll :(

[subtle kiln]

not trolling

quake told you delete it. i told you how

[oblique tangle]

But I play both?

ANd no matter what , Outlaw will always be over assassination on this server? What part of that aren't you understanding lol

If you have both roles,. outlaw will always be on top?

And sub on top of outlaw?

[oak sky]

beige

[uncut echo]

btw

HAHAHA

[ember mural]

sub>outlaw>assa for role priority if you have all 3 youre teal

[subtle kiln]

imagine actually caring about roles and looking like you’re an outlaw main.

[spice spire]

I mean people can enjoy multiple specs. There's no OTPs here

(except me)