assassination

[wooden dawn]

also all exsang enjoyers will be reported

[balmy condor]

but it's questionable at best

you would get twist for aoe envenom uptime

but like

eh?

[mint ruin]

I'm a filthy casual so I think I'll be safe sticking with Deadly and sometimes Amp

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor is duskwalker fixed?

[surreal nova]

[royal lantern]

i just wanna ping whispr

[surreal nova]

i c

[timid cloud]

Duskwalker broken?

[vernal adder]

Ye it rebroke

[timid cloud]

FUG

[fleet imp]

Should I craft dusk now?

[balmy condor]

if you wanna craft a legendary for 2 weeks of gaming

go for it

very epic

[fleet imp]

[timid cloud]

Just remember, the parse is gonna be out of 100 Sin players total.

[vernal adder]

10

[fleet imp]

Yoooo big! Got rank 2

88 parse

[royal lantern]

you mean very LEGENDARY

[royal lantern]

rank7 on fatescribe

53 parse

[fleet imp]

Those are the times where you no more go with parses but rather rank 😂

[steel ridge]

lol the mad lad did it

dusk is back

sadge i didnt roll need on the 311 sylvanas waist because of deathly shadows xD

[timid cloud]

Sorry, you’re right.

I added in an extra 0.

[next edge]

JUst tell your RL you cba doing adds and gonna hard sit on boss

so you play the best rogue spec

[fleet imp]

Doing quasars as sin

[runic hinge]

Lmao my raid lead already knows I’m never target swapping. Life is good.

They posted dratnos’ vid about being greedy and tagged me specifically

[ancient rain]

pog

[subtle tundra]

Tell him to rupture himself

[runic hinge]

It’s amusing because we did 1 s4 rygelon and we had 2 ranged in our 11 man h group and I topped quasar damage and also add damage on denathrius

[subtle tundra]

Rygelon adds arnt your job

There are plenty better classes to pad

[steel ridge]

just leech off the adds with FoK and sit on the boss. 🤖

[runic hinge]

I know but everyone else still playing was bad. So I had to make sure we didn’t die

[royal lantern]

im gonna do the old tricky one

"yeha, this tier isn99%cleave, but assa does SLIGHTLY more pure st, and we allready have enough cleave right?"

[timid cloud]

Not using Rupture on the quasars if you go down & when you go are going from orb to orb...

Oops, I mean the other one, the one you kill.

I fully bleed them every time.

"Who pushed the orb to 2% in Group 1?!"

https://tenor.com/view/megalul-gif-23466351

[steel ridge]

thats exactly what i am doing 😄

[royal lantern]

allright, but honestly

[steel ridge]

i hope sin keeps its slight ST advantage

it needs to be ever so slightly ahead

[royal lantern]

we allready have 2ww, 2druids and 2mages+ a dh

[steel ridge]

we have alot of people that like to pad adds

[royal lantern]

i REALLY dont think aoe dmg will be a problem for that tier lol

[steel ridge]

people literally go ape when there are adds

priority mob on lihuvim? barely dies.

adds? get blasted to oblivion

[dense cedar]

basically my life during Orgozoa

[royal lantern]

"why are there 2burning mages jumping in rune of power and 6monks spamming crane kick? it was just 3low priority adds"

every time

[steel ridge]

every damn time

[thorn crater]

have we accepted our fate of not getting decent aoe and starting shit talkling the stat padding? 😛

not htat i mind tunneling as long as we come out on top of boss dmg

[scenic kelp]

Is there a opener that i can follow for now with dusk?

[thorn crater]

hm

hotfixed for 2 weeks

actual chad

[timid cloud]

I can relate.

[thorn crater]

i mean it doesn tmatter

we still suck

but its gonna make for a bit of fun as long as you dont look at details

[balmy condor]

why would the opener change

get dots up, vanish gar, max rupture, exsang, press deathmark button, kingsbane cranking

[spare crow]

Duskwalker's Patch (Runecarving Power) now correctly affects Deathmark instead of Vendetta. The tooltip will be updated to reflect this change in a future patch.

AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY BOYS

nice thing to wake up to

[timid cloud]

I set myself to always show at the top.

[scenic kelp]

Sry i mean only an opener i dont played assa in pre patch before and i cant find one 😅

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

might I suggest this

its interactive

very engaging

[scenic kelp]

Oh cool ty!

[hollow cedar]

How much dmg increase is the bug fix for duskwalkers ?

[balmy condor]

a gajillion

[oak sky]

Infinity

From 0 to nonzero

Incalculable

[hollow cedar]

I see that’s nice

[bold drum]

how many 0s does that number have

[balmy condor]

it's undefined

because it's a large grouping of gazillions

and gazillions are also a large amount of things

[raven knoll]

gazelle is also a large animal

[balmy condor]

but if you go by etymology

"gaz" is earthly edge

[bold drum]

actually didnt make it up

[balmy condor]

which is 28819

[bold drum]

[balmy condor]

so

if you have a gazillion

you could technically say it has 28819 zeros I guess

and then lets pretend like a gajillion is a gazillion gazillions

so lets just round and say it's like a billion zeros

[bold drum]

0 * one billion zeros is still 0 tho

[sturdy merlin]

That was happening for Venthyr outlaws

[uncut echo]

Gm boys

[sturdy merlin]

👋🏻

[white temple]

Morning

[spice spire]

[subtle kiln]

puppers

[spice spire]

Yea man. He went to camp so he sleepy just like me, we sleep in

[barren lintel]

"DTB poisons are Amplifying -> Deadly -> Instant" am i dumb or do i missunderstand it? we can only have 2 poisons with DTB, right? so i would pick amplifying and deadly, right?

[spice spire]

Yes

Just assuming someone doesn’t take the talent

For whatever reason

[balmy condor]

you could go down twist the knife instead of amp poison

and people got really confused about poisons recently

so I gotta spell out that there are poisons with effects

and poisons without effects

and the ones with effects are better than the ones without

[royal lantern]

but why

[spice spire]

Same reason people make a build, come in here and say “what do you think?” People just wanna test stuff

[barren lintel]

ah okay

[subtle kiln]

weird. just ask Oxi what to play.

[royal lantern]

i mean, its really just

amp poison is better then ttk

and if you skill it.....its because....you are going to use it

[balmy condor]

yeh

I'm still struggling to find a way to explain poisons

maybe like "always play deadly poison, if talented into amplifying, play amplifying"

but that's not really true for aoe

cause you wouldn't want to use amp in aoe

[subtle kiln]

almost like there are conditions.

[barren lintel]

how are the different speccs in DF? is there a go to specc or?

[uncut echo]

I mean if people are asking those questuons Whispyr

[royal lantern]

rn, outlaw

[uncut echo]

They're not performing at a level where it matters

[subtle kiln]

or do folks actually expect copy paste from st to aoe

[barren lintel]

by a lot and in every scenario?

[royal lantern]

i mean, outlaw?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a great cop out

but its like

that's not really something I can put into an FaQ or a guide

[uncut echo]

No, I know

[subtle kiln]

thus discord is meant to help all skill levels.

whoops. wrong reply

[uncut echo]

But for all intents and purposes it's a 99% coverage for the class

If dtb, always take deadly

Id talented amp, take amp over instant

[balmy condor]

yeh

[balmy condor]

ssin better in single target, outlaw better everywhere else

[uncut echo]

And outside of turbo minmax, that's 100% the right call barring niche scenarios

[subtle kiln]

i know it’s difficult to remember to push BF then ss finish ss finish

[royal lantern]

assa rn has slightly more st dmg with 4set

outlaw stomps assa and sub in aoe/cleave

the first raidtier is litearlly all cleave/aoe fights sooo.....

i mean, if your raid has enough aoe, assa is gonna be fine

[spice spire]

Yeah but then you have the moon at a waning crescent, 45% from the horizon, on a Tuesday, in 4 target hectic add cleave, what then 🤨

[uncut echo]

Dot and pray

[spice spire]

God bless

[uncut echo]

Maybe it's just not your day

[spice spire]

That’s every day homie 🤨

[uncut echo]

Not when I'm here!

[spice spire]

Sure, man

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

today is just a continuation of yesterday

I’m a menace ready to goon

[uncut echo]

Bark energy

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

daily reminder that exsang should be deleted

[spice spire]

Brother why

Must you do this

[uncut echo]

I'm fine with Exsang reform

Turn it into creeping death

[night delta]

boring

[balmy condor]

Exsang reform? In this economy? Have you seen the gridlock

[spice spire]

This mf actually said Exsang reform

[night delta]

I want exsang to be a niche active that is usually not worth it, but can be worth the pick for situations where sniping is possible

[spice spire]

That is what I needed this morning, that combination of words made me chuckle irl

[spice spire]

I feel most talents should at least be competitive otherwise why be there, y’know?

[night delta]

well why be there ? for certain situations where they are great

a lot of talents are already like this

not usually picked, except when [...]

[spice spire]

Explain final general tree capstone

🤨

[night delta]

well exsang isn't a capstone, now is it ?

of course capstones you build towards should be usually good

exsang is an offroad talent

that is way too strong compared to how good it feels to play

[spice spire]

It isn’t, but saying there’s a lot of “if not general then x situation talents”
There doesn’t seem to be many actually

[night delta]

well all Aoe talents for starters

you don't pick em when there's not a lot of aoe, which is a lot of the time

incidentally, quite a few are also off the main highways

[spice spire]

The ones that dtb is more powerful for outside of like 6+ targets and will be better for a majority of people since there is room for error?

[night delta]

didn't know Thrown Precision and CT weren't a thing

[uncut echo]

#EXSANGREFORM

Y'ALL ARENT READY FOR MY WELL DONE TAKES

[spice spire]

CT is absolutely a thing, but is legitimately a “take it over 2 targets bar none kind of moment”

[spice spire]

You’re right

[night delta]

Well that's still a conditional. I don't see how making exsang a specialized tool instead of a general purpose one (currently picked no matter what) is bad

[spice spire]

I also could be getting a bit pedantic here

I’m ngl

I don’t disagree, but it’s another argument of “you can take ttb -1.2% and there’s less to juggle”

If Exsang were like 4-6%, yeah I’d be on board with heck Exsang. But considering it’s so low difference, I’m apathetic. I could see it being more problematic in later patches as well

[night delta]

I'd definitely go TTB yeah, but I just feel like exsang is being misused, and i'd like to see it shine in a way that makes it feel better to press

[subtle kiln]

shocking you get more dps playing an active ability than a passive.

[night delta]

instead of just being a "bothersome, to-dodge talent"

[spice spire]

I won’t argue there

[spice spire]

I prefer 1 button gameplay, though we got a lot of shiny new buttons, so that’s no longer as much of a thing

[subtle kiln]

i prefer letting the dog play for me.

[night delta]

then go on, lets get that TT + SD + Blindside + KB + Exsang + Sepsis + IC show on the road

[spice spire]

George is the result of all my best parses

Dude is cracked

Has a fucking ego tho

[subtle kiln]

true sin player

[uncut echo]

Y'all telling me exsang turning into an artificial 15% haste for poisons and bleeds wouldnt be based as fuck

[night delta]

we don't need copycat talents from other specs imo

[uncut echo]

Druid and warlock beg to differ

[spice spire]

And I hate both of them

[uncut echo]

The classes have severe playstyle overlap

And have better tools

Wym no copy cat

[night delta]

Afflock is way away from sin, it's just "dot spec" but feels radically different to play

[uncut echo]

Sizeably disagree

[spice spire]

I also think Exsang as an active is neat

[night delta]

you spend half your time juggling dots up the wazoo, in sin most of our time is dedicated to filler

[spice spire]

Malefic rapture wants to state that afflock does indeed feel different

[night delta]

also yeah, rapture

I agree about feral feeling way closer however

[uncut echo]

I'll concede that the filler of afflock is substantially different

But regardless, all dot specs have a way of passively making dots either hit harder or faster

[night delta]

well hitting faster is another can of worms for us for a reason

energy gen is tied to tickrate

[uncut echo]

I know

That's why exsang is ass

It's a surge of energy instead what would effectively feel like a personal haste bump

Imo

[night delta]

I feel like exsang would be a neat concept if it made bleeds frontloaded

[uncut echo]

Like sepsis conduit

?

[night delta]

like it transfers a lot of the late damage into the earlier ticks

making it good for snipes

[uncut echo]

I'm in a few boats here

Either make the spec high effort, ramping aoe that pops off if given time to set up

Or give us tools to make aoe easier

[barren lintel]

multistrike letting rupture tick faster was awesome (as sub in wod)
Made it a lot more interesting than don't let the dots fall off with fixed duration

[night delta]

feels like there's a niche to be had around sniping for aoe

that is ignored

why not an ability that helps us sustain a stronger mono burst if we keep killing our targets

[uncut echo]

Damn, talks about sniping so much, Mw2 is calling for you

[night delta]

for example

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

This joke was a bit

[night delta]

I play Widow in Overwatch and you can't stop me

[uncut echo]

LOL

GOTTEM

[spice spire]

This explains literally everything

[night delta]

(I actually don't, I'm a tank player)

[uncut echo]

Damn

[spice spire]

Mfd sniping savant spacetauren

[night delta]

Mfd sniping feels pretty awesome imo yeah

[uncut echo]

Agreed

That was choice in outlaw

[night delta]

chaining 5cp finishers without giving a fuck

[uncut echo]

Math question

If our dots happened 15% faster

[spice spire]

2+2 = 4

[uncut echo]

Would we theoretically take the % of damage our dots did on a dummy encounter

And multiply that by 1.15

To kind of get a ballpark estimate

[night delta]

If duration unchanged yes, but a bit less because energy

meaning more fillers to use

[spice spire]

If you were looking at just damage and no regen gain, yeah. But essentially what space Tauren said

[uncut echo]

Copy

Just want a dot increase here, because the other shit is too

My beauty rest got turbofucked last night so I'm rn

[spice spire]

Same

[night delta]

The hell's a beauty rest

[spice spire]

Arthur decided to use me as a punching bag

[night delta]

when I wake up from resting I look like a hobo

[spice spire]

Anything over 4 hours

[uncut echo]

[night delta]

To be clear, I think making exsang a justified general purpose talent by making it basically creeping death is fine

but feel like there could be more

to be done with it

Here's another of my wacky exsang rework ideas :

Exsanguinate
25 Energy | 45 sec cooldown
Twist your blades into the target's wounds, causing your Garrote, Rupture [and Crimson tempest] to initially bleed out twice as fast, then later bleed twice as slow. If the target dies while a bleed effect is still twice as fast, resets the cooldown.

(Duration isn't affected, instead the bleeds have 2x tickrate for half of their remaining duration, then 0.5x tickrate for the other half).

[spice spire]

That seems like a nightmare

To sim

[night delta]

yeah most probably

[balmy condor]

It really isn’t

Would just be cast,if=duration1<ttd.remains

Unless I’m understanding wrong

[steel ridge]

great, now you are reapplying bleeds before exsang and after hals the duration again

[spice spire]

Literal Rizz

[steel ridge]

even worse

[balmy condor]

But that exsang honestly sound horrible

[night delta]

well yeah, wacky and not that great idea

[balmy condor]

It’s 0 dps until you’re able to get resets

[steel ridge]

absolutely horrible whackamole

[balmy condor]

And if you get resets

Then it’s legit just normal exsang

[steel ridge]

how high do you have to be to make exsang even worse than it is

[spice spire]

Not high at all. I can think of a hundred ways to make it worse

[night delta]

I wonder if there's a way to make exsang lean in to the "kill things that die fast, faster" angle it already has without making it shit to play in general purpose

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

id just make it a flat increase in tikrate for a set duration (player self buff)

[spice spire]

The giga CT chad

[steel ridge]

like your bleeds tick faster for 10 seconds, no reapplying, no snapshot no nothing

[spice spire]

Apply Carnage, CT, pop the buff

[night delta]

damn why you gotta dunk on me like that with your actual good takes 😦

[steel ridge]

that way it stays an active button and you go around all those nasty reappyling stuff

[spice spire]

What if you just actively consumed your bleeds so you had no energy regen

[steel ridge]

and it has uses in aoe

but its no creeping death infinite dps thing

[balmy condor]

What if it was just press button 50% haste for 10 seconds

[steel ridge]

like an bleed envenom

so to speak

[honest vessel]

Flat # sec off bleeds instead of twice as fast, instantly tick that amount of ticks

[spice spire]

Extra button do not want

We’re 2 button gaming

[steel ridge]

press it boom, you bleeds are fast for 10 seconds

[spice spire]

The varas build

[steel ridge]

easy

[night delta]

veinripper moment

I like veinripper

[steel ridge]

or for gods sake, make it a bleed itself, like a really powerful bleed on a 45 second cd

[honest vessel]

We do some ripping of veins

[steel ridge]

doomblade on steroids

[night delta]

this too I like, but 1 min CD plz

[steel ridge]

whatever just save me from overwriting my bleeds

[night delta]

me like syncing CDs

[spice spire]

49s take it or leave it

[night delta]

[honest vessel]

I like the impact of snapshotting :c wish that could stay somehow

[steel ridge]

theres literally a 1000 ways to make exsang not suck donkey balls

and 999 of them are better than what we currently have

[honest vessel]

Also @balmy condor congrats on the duskwalkers fix, knew you could do it

[steel ridge]

every one of them but spacetaurens take

[night delta]

true

[spice spire]

If only you knew…

[night delta]

(I just like sniping)

[steel ridge]

if you wanna go sniping, take mfd

and dont molest us

[night delta]

(maybe MfD will be a good m+ pick )

[thorn crater]

oh there was a patch yday for beta

[spice spire]

Don’t what us

[thorn crater]

just ignored rogues since we are in such a good position

[steel ridge]

well the proposal to make exsang tick half as fast at the end is kind of harassment 😄

i felt physical pain

[spice spire]

Verbiage choice sus, but I understand

[uncut echo]

PI

Exsang Infusion

[steel ridge]

or just make it not tick faster but harder, to avoid energy problems

[uncut echo]

Ooooooooooo

[steel ridge]

or delete it altogether

[spice spire]

Exsang is perfect as it is

[steel ridge]

no

[spice spire]

Mister nerazar forgive me for my sins

@steel ridge

[steel ridge]

[spice spire]

You can change it back I won’t keep changing your name

Just like a lil meme every now and then

[steel ridge]

sneaky

[spice spire]

We’re all rogues

[steel ridge]

[uncut echo]

Exsugguinate

[spice spire]

What that ex suggin

Actually don’t answer that

[oblique jackal]

Ofc they fix the deathmark leggo after i got rid of it :///

[spice spire]

You played yourself

[pure moth]

never delete anything. you never know what blizzard will do lol

[hardy dagger]

It's fixed go NUTS

[spice spire]

Or maybe he was the sacrifice needed to make it happen

[honest vessel]

truuuu

[oblique jackal]

im a ginger so i was def the sacrifice

team no soul

[fallen arch]

Did they delete exsang yet

Oh no they fixed dusk instead

Sadge

[rancid blaze]

What damage poison do we use?

[sturdy merlin]

Deadly

[fallen arch]

Amp

[spice spire]

Deadly > amp > instant

[sturdy merlin]

Yeah ofc amp if you have it talented, my bad

:p

[fallen arch]

Wasnt it amp>deadly>instant

[rancid blaze]

Is the Kingsbane build the better one?

[spice spire]

Depends st or aoe

[rancid blaze]

Im checking out the wowhead guide but they have different builds on there

st

[spice spire]

I’m assuming people ask AoE which is not great on my part

Yeah amp > deadly > instant

[rancid blaze]

for st?

[spice spire]

If you don’t talent amp, deadly obvi.
Yes

[rancid blaze]

ok

[pure moth]

it was almost 3% difference between amp build and kingsbane right?

[spice spire]

Prepatch is not in my sights at all

Unless you’re talking about in df, in which case DTB amp build is pretty deece

[pure moth]

yeah. i tried the amp build in prepatch and i think the damage difference is weak compared to kingsbane. so ive just been running kingsbane

when we get everything at 70, im sure other setups are better

[spice spire]

Did you try before the mastery fix was on?

[jovial plinth]

is the amp also fixed?

[spice spire]

Should be

(Again, I am 100% not playing rogue for prepatch, but as far as I know amp was fixed)

Test before changing your build, this is a threat

[viscid spear]

You're not the lawyer mod

[teal bloom]

[spice spire]

Doesn’t mean I don’t wear fancy clothes

[viscid spear]

Dio Brando was a lawyer before becoming an immortal sexy vampire, and he had the drip.

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Then he cut off his foster brother's head and hijacked his body, siring a son and then getting killed by that brother's great-great-grandson and his purple ghost

[spice spire]

Spoilers homie

[viscid spear]

just basic stuff

[spice spire]

Damn

[viscid spear]

Stardust Crusaders is like two decades old, my man
Also I want to play Rogue more in prepatch but I don't have the time

[oblique jackal]

Amp is doing solid dmg

bc of the fix

[spice spire]

Rn I’m just leveling characters so we can have 8 guild tabs

[viscid spear]

We don't?

[spice spire]

Nop

I never got that memo - we also didn’t purchase the 7th apparently

[oblique jackal]

Anyone else really enjoying the random ambushes during execute windows

[violet jackal]

make sure to finish classy tauren by tuesday otherwise you will have another tauren to level

[spice spire]

[pure moth]

i tried it when mastery was fixed and noticed significantly lower damage in comparison to kingsbane.

[spice spire]

.

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Bro?

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

Hi

I woke up from my Friday afternoon nap

[gusty mirage]

What up cutie

[subtle tundra]

Unlucky

[gusty breach]

i'm confused

we dont have vendeta

what does duskwalker do now?

[iron orchid]

Damn, now this is a new question

Same effect but on Deathmark

[thorn fjord]

Damn so they actually fixed DW

[iron orchid]

which replaces vendetta

[gusty breach]

fair enough

[thorn fjord]

but RC is still broken 😦

[rancid blaze]

yeah they said they would fix the tooltip later

[spice spire]

You know what else is broken 🤨

[gusty breach]

outlaw?

[thorn fjord]

CTO conduit

but that i can deal with

I wanted to try RC play during pre patch

Are sims reflecting the DW fix?

[spice spire]

No, @thorn fjord is broken because he’s too good

Not yet

Soon tho iirc

[thorn fjord]

Must.... be.... patient.

[violet jackal]

pretty sure the sims were always showing duskwalker

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vXQ8831w8khTAHNtoqewu6

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i think they were

Come to think of it

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

19447 seems low as fuck

[gusty mirage]

How would they always show it if vendetta doesn’t exist?

It pulls spell data from the blizzard API

[paper pawn]

how much is good?

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

I was running sims on Tuesday

and it kept picking DW for w/e reason

When i forced it to ignore DW the sim dps dropped by like 2k

[spice spire]

#tc-research message

I legitimately don’t know

I figured the same tbf

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sfx5ZZ43XsaBJZSo1HPv8Q

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

With

without https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Bitn6cJJXV8kYMZiePsS2

[gusty mirage]

Also moo cow rogue 10/10

[thorn fjord]

100%

1k not 2

[spice spire]

I think oxi has lost it after today and yesterday

Unironically bald

[gusty mirage]

Maybe Koji added it to work for DM because we were told a fix was coming

Who knows

[spice spire]

I think that was the case

[thorn fjord]

Yeah the numbers are still super low sadly

[gusty mirage]

Go unplug someone’s grandma

The adults are talking

[spice spire]

But it’s still weird given it took like forever to fix

[violet jackal]

non optimized gear I was running a 15mil iteration sim and then went to bed before it finished, will swap gear after work

[spice spire]

Where? I don’t see any adults

[thorn fjord]

I'm a toys r us kid

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Well I know who I’m unplugging first

Let’s get you to bed grandpa @thorn fjord

[violet jackal]

oh wait the biggest reason is actually because I did an armory input which exludes conduits and convenant

[thorn fjord]

That'll do it

Still i'd be surprised if we could even break 30k

Think Cev was mid 29k with BiS gear

[gusty mirage]

I was simming 25k before all the buffs

[spice spire]

Alright I slept in homies. Off to work. Keep it in pocket

[gusty mirage]

So

[spice spire]

[steel ridge]

no way i am simming 30k with kyrian

[thorn fjord]

Drive safe mr Quake

[steel ridge]

🤖

[thorn fjord]

I dont have optimal gear for Sin unfortunately

[gusty mirage]

You have the optimal heart for it tho

Winner by all definitions

[viscid spear]

All you need is the drive and your heart will guide you there.
Also don't be Outlaw.

[thorn fjord]

sitting at like 24% verse in sin setup lol

[gusty mirage]

[steel ridge]

16% mastery

;x

[gusty breach]

we cant get middle last talent as rogues right?

[steel ridge]

nope

61

[gusty breach]

=/

buck flizzard

[steel ridge]

intended

[spice spire]

Just like exsanguinate

[gusty breach]

so what, we roll kingsbane for single target?

[steel ridge]

roll this instead

[thorn fjord]

i was wrong but these stats still suck for sin

[gusty breach]

[thorn fjord]

running this currently

[gusty breach]

is deeper better than tea?

especially since dustwalkers are working apparently

[thorn fjord]

No clue i havent tested anything on this spec

[subtle tundra]

all these beta builds

LOL

my build is alpha af

[thorn fjord]

Gotta do something to get us through the next 2 weeks @subtle tundra

these sims suck

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vrtSuvxEJ8M1zfyER2keZS

[gusty mirage]

wdym looks fine

[spice spire]

We’re crit mastery lovers now

[dark token]

Good, fuck haste

No one likes haste on rogue

It only feels good on classes where it lowers cooldowns/gcd/cast times

[strange python]

how dare you sir

I loved BFA ultra haste sin

[gusty mirage]

that is an an interesting amount of hate for a secondary stat

[steel ridge]

its true tho

[gusty mirage]

cringe

[strange python]

I loved it

I mean sure, I preferred antorus sin sure

still though

[spice spire]

Enjoying things? Cringe

[gusty mirage]

you're cringe

[dark token]

Calling things cringe? Cringe

[gusty mirage]

anything exsanguinate related

[strange python]

I look back on BFA sin more fondly than I do legion sin, not coz of playstyle, just coz of the power of poison bomb to be fair

that shit me to tears sometimes

[gusty mirage]

and some people wanted that back

"poison bomb should do BIG damage"

[strange python]

I wouldn't mind if it was that strong IFFFF it was a spender

[gusty mirage]

ye if it was a separate finisher

100%

rng proc for "big damage" just feels like shit

[strange python]

but the feeling of 2 rogues, rogueing off, but one of you gets 3 pbs in the vend window and the other gets 1...

fuck that

[spice spire]

Esq. is just short for “exsanguinate is quality”

Actually leaving now

[strange python]

I didn't even enjoy it when I was the lucky one

[gusty mirage]

Esq stands for Imma exquisitely satisfy your mother this holiday season

make her bark, if you will

[spice spire]

Good bitch maybe you can satisfy me for once with your dog ass

🤨

[gusty mirage]

"with your dog ass"

you got somethin you wanna tell us bud?

[spice spire]

[strange python]

good lord

what did I just come back to?

[gusty mirage]

I think quake just informed us of one of his kinks

[copper hazel]

no kink shaming in here, we do love ass in this channel after all

[ebon notch]

dont think you'll live this one down ngl

[spice spire]

If only you saw what I said last night

[ebon notch]

dm 👀

[charred mango]

Just passing through looking for some rogue DF gossip and now I need an adult

[spice spire]

That tracks actually

[oblique jackal]

i wish they would've added dustwalker as a talent

[lavish hazel]

is SBS bugged ?

fade on mobs

[raven knoll]

I know a spot in the talent tree where they could add duskwalker. 5th row 5th column

SBS is bugged if you are necrolord

[weak plover]

lol true

make exsang a choice node

exsang/duskwalker

[dark token]

Nah shoulda added the legion vendetta cdr from the weaps as a 3 point talent. 20/40/60sec reduction

Now that's a 3 pointer

[calm tangle]

yes please, give this man job at blizz

[dark token]

1 minute sin always felt the best

[violet jackal]

are you talented into it?

[oblique jackal]

ooh that would've been great!

the CDR feels so smooth

Did the poison action bar issue get fixed?

[pure moth]

No

But i think people are dragging out the poisons and putting them on their bars. People were talking about that recently.

[uncut echo]

I'm wet

Replied to thw wrong thing

BUT LIKE DUSKWALKER ON EXSANG

AHHH

[spice spire]

Sistren? You good?

[thorn fjord]

No theyre wet

Someone get em a towel

[spice spire]

True

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

No man

Though I’m ngl; slightly concerned about the above moment

[mint ruin]

Is it possible to make a macro that casts ambush if you have blindside and otherwise casts mutilate or is that outside of the capabilities of macros

[spice spire]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[spice spire]

[mint ruin]

damn, I knew I wouldn't be the first person to want this but I didn't think there would actually be a command dedicated to it

thanks for the quick answer!

[spice spire]

No worries, always glad to help

[gusty mirage]

that probably doesn't work anymore

with the changes to macros going into DF

[spice spire]

I didn’t think about this

Would it be like:

#showtooltip
/cast [known:111240] Ambush; mutilate

?

[gusty mirage]

I just have separate binds for shit

[spice spire]

Probably not since there’s still a conditional

Same

But people want to consolidate and I don’t blame

[woeful wigeon]

dus it work on retail or just bet a ?

[upbeat mirage]

retail

[spice spire]

Should work on retail

[upbeat mirage]

confirmed just now

[spice spire]

God bless

[woeful wigeon]

cause on eu stilll says vendetta

[upbeat mirage]

it still "says"

[spice spire]

Yeah, it’s coded to deathmark tho

[upbeat mirage]

but it functions correctly

[spice spire]

Tooltips not known for being 100% accurate

[teal snow]

Holy cow, both bugs got taken care of?!

Okay Blizz.

[spice spire]

But especially since this one has to be changed

[honest vessel]

patch notes said that the tooltip would be fixed later

[subtle tundra]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

fix ER + rupture + dm

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[woeful wigeon]

thx for te reply's

[spice spire]

Any time papi

[woeful wigeon]

maby one more stupid question what are the tallents we use now with these hotfixes

[spice spire]

That one is in the pins

[honest vessel]

we dont use any

no talents

[spice spire]

Not a stupid question at all though

[upbeat mirage]

drop your covenant.

soulbinds = negative damage

[spice spire]

Ya’ll wildin rn

[upbeat mirage]

wowhead has Prepatch talent builds.

[spice spire]

It’s also pinned

Whíspyr goes more in detail on why in the pins

[upbeat mirage]

icy veins similarly has prepatch talent builds

we're in the assassination chat, so everything is fun, but the numbers suck

[honest vessel]

ur right im just stupid and thought it was funny

[upbeat mirage]

it was funny.

[honest vessel]

c:

[woeful wigeon]

but bts cant be taken atm we miss 1 tallent point

[spice spire]

All good.
How dare you have fun

It’s only bad if it’s not obvious and it’s spreading misinformation.

[spice spire]

Correct there’s a prepatch pin

[upbeat mirage]

Were "play with not talents" and "drop your covenant" not obviously a joke? LOL

[spice spire]

They were

[upbeat mirage]

Not as funny as "exanguinate" to be fair

[upbeat mirage]

exsanguinate*

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying, is if it was like not obvious, it wouldn’t be funny, since it was it was

[woeful wigeon]

@spice spire sended you a PM

[spice spire]

Works for me glad to help

[subtle tundra]

delete outlaw

[spice spire]

No man

[royal lantern]

@spice spire does dusk work now?

[spice spire]

Yes man

[subtle tundra]

wrong man

[spice spire]

No man, let people enjoy things

[subtle tundra]

not when it ruins rogue m+ smh

[spice spire]

Sounds like a skill issue brethren

[subtle tundra]

Blizz issue

[spice spire]

I’ll show you a blizz issue papi

[mint ruin]

Doesn't Dashing Scoundrel have anti synergy with Amplifying Poison since you lose the DoT crits? Or is that irrelevant since you're only using Scoundrel with DTB?

[paper pawn]

for tyrannical, is it IC talents or kingsbane?

[spice spire]

Currently IC

[paper pawn]

alright, thx

[thorn crater]

wait IC is better even for tyrannical?

[subtle tundra]

no

[thorn crater]

but i thought it makes ur ST poopoo

[wooden atlas]

serrated bone spike bugged, or do I just not understand how it functions? It falls off each target after only about 5 seconds

[subtle tundra]

just no dtb

and kb means 0 aoe

[thorn crater]

oh we're talking prepatch now

not beta

sorry my bad

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m talking prepatch only

And yeah for tyran you’d probably go KB, but DTB seems like a universally good option come 70.

I didn’t see tyran mb

@paper pawn

[paper pawn]

oh, ok

no worry, thanks 🙂

[spice spire]

The dot crits were never the big draw, it was the energy regen, but since you’re running DTB anyway, it’s a moot point

[woven summit]

I just logged in after a while and I have Serrated Bone Spike even though I'm Venthyr

Why is that?

lol

[spice spire]

Did you copy a talent build over?

(Sbs is a talent now)

[woven summit]

oh shit, yeah I must've picked the talent

yeah makes sense

I was so confused

thanks for clearing that out

[spice spire]

Glad to help

Good luck

[violet jackal]

are you talented into it?

[wooden atlas]

No just the covenant one atm

[spice spire]

It shouldn’t be falling off

[ember mural]

Sbs is bugged in prepatch

[spice spire]

Nice

[violet jackal]

If you aren't talented into it, it won't stick currently

[uncut echo]

@spice spire nice pfp king

[spice spire]

Ty

[uncut echo]

Hope pupper is doin great

[spice spire]

He went to camp yesterday so he’s a tired boy today
Hope you’re having a swell day as well homie

[honest vessel]

[gusty mirage]

are you necrolord?

[misty holly]

Bone Spike was super bugged for Necrolords after the patch (havent bothered to check recently)

Talent version works fine, but no Unity effect.

[spice spire]

Buffs = good

Unsure just how good, don’t spam in here for answers yet

[gusty mirage]

DO WE FOK ON TWO TARGET CLEAVE NOW???????

[spice spire]

You should love yourself now

[honest vessel]

@me

[spice spire]

God bless

[sharp falcon]

fok 1 target, do it

[honest vessel]

LOL

[subtle tundra]

hi, im playing m+ with ER and er+rupture+dm still bugged

[sharp falcon]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

i was just reminding

👨‍🦯

[honest vessel]

thx for buffing kb and zold c: i am excited

[hardy dagger]

Ayo assa cranking now

[subtle tundra]

huh can you link?

[thorn crater]

?

[vivid blade]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-on-dragonflight-beta-11-11-massive-guardian-druid-buffs-329854

@subtle tundra

[thorn crater]

OH SHIT

BUFFS

BUFFSSSSSSSSSSSS

[subtle tundra]

HAHA!

[hardy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-lets-goo-gif-25423985

[sturdy merlin]

[leaden plinth]

wait does zoldyck having 2 ranks mean u can pick DTB and KB at the same time?

[thorn crater]

its ok guys

they balanced the dmg buff with a flying daggers nerf

[raven knoll]

it has 3 ranks

[thorn crater]

oh

[hardy dagger]

Jeebus christ kb gonna be gigajuiced in execute

[sturdy merlin]

Exec big

[grim tangle]

rank 2 is now better than the previous rank 3

[peak bobcat]

giga

[thorn crater]

old rank 3 is rank 2 now

[honest vessel]

giga giga

[peak bobcat]

Realz I love you

you are the best developer by far

[thorn crater]

that would make that gachidank build whispyr came up with for M+ even better now

with IC and 2/3 zoldyck

so basically.

[vivid blade]

they keep buffing garrote so ig its an indirect buff to IC and zold

[royal lantern]

but did exsang get deleted?

[subtle tundra]

i mean maybe IC+KB will be better

[thorn crater]

we get buffs on zoldyck, KB, Garrote,Blindside,shrouded and fok

and we get a nerf on flying daggers

[subtle tundra]

someone wake whispyr up so he can sim my m+

[thorn crater]

yep seems like a good balance

im ok with that

[steel ridge]

kingsbane just got rehab

it seems

[thorn crater]

it will hurt a bit but i can accept it

(im trolling obvi)

[strange python]

Buffs???????

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor your majesty ringring

[raven knoll]

It will hurt because you will not pull 5 packs 30km away from you

[thorn crater]

shhhhhh

its a nerf period

we keep saying its a nerf

so people believe it

[steel ridge]

fan of knives is big

[vivid blade]

the real question is: how behind are sins from outlaw now

[strange python]

this

[thorn crater]

i mean

still gonna be behind

[strange python]

Am I still rolling dice or can I FOK spam?

[raven knoll]

They just need to delete outlaw and we wont be behind anymore

[thorn crater]

prolly still a lot

just not devastatingly so

BUT

our ST is giga busted now

[oblique jackal]

woot more buffs@

[vivid blade]

yeah ST is HUGE

[steel ridge]

53% weapon damage x1,3 from talents is 69% weapon damage

on all targets + double poison application

FoK big

[steel ridge]

you know that kingsbane was a bit behind DTB right?

[thorn crater]

im talking about zoldyck

applying after 45%

[steel ridge]

35%

[thorn crater]

oh i read it wrong then

[steel ridge]

execute begins at 35%

[raven knoll]

does kb work with zoldyck?

[thorn crater]

thought it was 45 lmao

[steel ridge]

and it buffs 45% which is alot

[sour elm]

Blizz give me KB and DTB you cowards

[glacial bough]

That Realz guy sure does have a large cock

[sharp falcon]

blindside is a... tooltip bug fix? Turns out it was already working at 35% threshold, tooltip was wrong

[grim tangle]

SIN ROGUE NOW HAS THE BEST EXECUTE IN THE GAME

[thorn crater]

oh i see. well still cant complaing

[steel ridge]

yeah honestly, if kingsbane is going to fill a niche, it better does is well

[thorn crater]

fits the role of sin better tbh to get more ST dmg even if aoe falls behind other classes and specs

[sharp falcon]

pls dont put me on a pedestal it's a bit uncomfortable especially for things like tuning changes, that's not "me"

[vivid blade]

i cant wait for whispyr's pinned message on this ❤️

[steel ridge]

Realz biggest cock at blizzard entertainment confirmed

huge dong

[faint harness]

Didnt you just read what he said, stop being weird

[sharp falcon]

sigh

[steel ridge]

😄

just chiming in on the awkwardness

i didnt start it

[subtle tundra]

he is just doing his job

[faint harness]

Team effort

[thorn crater]

now all we need is for that dank build that skips shadowstep and BM to go away

and i can live with taking exsa

[glacial bough]

Now we need Outlaw to be deleted

[steel ridge]

am i reading that correct, 8% garrote buff and 5% more on SS

[subtle tundra]

problem is, if you want iron wire in m+ you have to take exsang

and you want iron wire with a few exceptions

[raven knoll]

nah

you can take the other talent that connects to iron wire

[subtle tundra]

MA, basically 0 dps?

[raven knoll]

yes

maybe if the crit buff was for longer than 3 sec

[faint harness]

take shadow dance

[royal lantern]

better then taking exsang 🙂

[raven knoll]

That is true Exsang is at least for me 0 DPS too since I do not have it on my action bars.

[sharp falcon]

if u just stay stealthed it lasts a rly long time 🤔

[thorn crater]

ok question. is this too dank?

[subtle tundra]

for...?

[sharp falcon]

might be fine

[thorn crater]

is that directed at me?

[regal sable]

im not sure who's responsible for the bug fix on duskwalkers but

im big happy

:D

[royal lantern]

IC aoe bleeds->vanish and wait for 100%crit chance confirmed?

[sharp falcon]

no one mad about the HUGE flying daggers nerf? dodged a bullet there

[thorn crater]

hey

its a nerf and let noone tell you otherwise

[sharp falcon]

yes nerf

[thorn crater]

its not like it saves from ninja pulling creeps

with acrobaticv

[royal lantern]

just mad about exsang still beeing a thing

[sharp falcon]

now u cant pull whole dungeon from ent

[thorn crater]

ITS AN AOE NERF

[subtle tundra]

eh the 1/4th of a talent getting nerfed means nothing

[thorn crater]

😛 😛

[regal sable]

wait what are we mad about now?

is it still exsang

[subtle tundra]

exsang ok

[thorn crater]

mad about nothign

[royal lantern]

always exsang

[sour elm]

its always exsang

[royal lantern]

and when exsang is gone, im going to complain about Slice and dice

[thorn crater]

i think sims are gonna come out nice

[glacial bough]

exsang is garbage and its still in the game somehow

[royal lantern]

only when both are gone, i achieved true happiness

[thorn crater]

the one thing i would like, at some point, is to pull back a bit on poison dmg and give some love to rupture

[subtle tundra]

exsang cool

[regal sable]

I like exsang so I need to pick something else to hate one sec

[raven knoll]

SnD is cool

[thorn crater]

so we are not forced to skip SHS

[steel ridge]

12 yards is still alot

to pull weird stuff 😄

[thorn crater]

im memeing obviously 😛

[regal sable]

okok I've got it
wtf blizord another patch and dashing is still on the talent trees angy

[glacial bough]

what are you on about

[grim tangle]

personally I don't like having 2 shivs

[regal sable]

picking something random on the talent tree to hate bc being happy with the state of assa is a myth

I actually really like the spec atm

[thorn crater]

hm

so we really need a whole keybind for ambush

for out of stealth usage

blindside doesnt bring the stealthbar up correct?

[sour elm]

no

[thorn crater]

just highlights ambush

[steel ridge]

yes and no

[glacial bough]

i think we are all here because we enjoy the spec, that doesnt mean there are things that could be improved?

[nocturne current]

No, that's why I don't play it. Screw Blindside.

[sour elm]

just need a out of stealth ambush button

I love blindside; adds a bit of spice

a bit of flavor

[nocturne current]

I ran out of keys for Rogue.

[molten timber]

Blindside makes for very spammy times. Feels too close to outlaw.

[oak pulsar]

I literally throw ambush in v out of stealth very easy to hit

[honest vessel]

get more

[nocturne current]

I press two keys now. Fan of Knives and Tempest.

[thorn crater]

but

hm

second hotkey just for an ambush

prolly a shift something

[peak bobcat]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVUEBEREaFFYhRQCUAMVWoFQEShESTBA

[honest vessel]

shift mut

[peak bobcat]

best build no cap

[nocturne current]

ALT F4

For Ambush out of stealth

[thorn crater]

no SBS means no bueno right

[molten timber]

Echoing Reprimand and Exsang need to die. I would rather play pirate...

[thorn crater]

btw warlocks got such a huge nerf btw

to dark pact.... 😛

[peak bobcat]

ER is really not that bad to play

[nocturne current]

ER is cancer.

[raven knoll]

ER is cool

[regal sable]

ER bad

[nocturne current]

Anything Shadowlands = Bad.

[honest vessel]

everything is cool you're all stinky

[frigid silo]

ER should be deleted

[sour elm]

id rather take ER over tea/shadow dance

[peak bobcat]

Wtf rotation do you guys want to have?

[sour elm]

imo all the caps in the main tree are garbago

[peak bobcat]

mut envenom only or

[frigid silo]

and delete SnD too

[nocturne current]

Tea is atleast, in lore with the class.

[regal sable]

id rather take sd

[honest vessel]

tru

[peak bobcat]

Clicking ER once every 45 seconds

is not hard

[regal sable]

sd better

[frigid silo]

i dont want to play combo point mini games man

[nocturne current]

I want to play Rogue not Necromancer.

[peak bobcat]

6 sec shadow dance is not good

[glacial bough]

Everything that has to do with Shadowlands just gives me PTSD, xpac was too fucking garbage

[sour elm]

blizz doesn't know how to make a true wow necro class

[glacial bough]

ER bad

[regal sable]

6 sec shadow dance is fun

[peak bobcat]

Shadowlands rogue was not bad design

[steel ridge]

are those changes live on beta?

[royal lantern]

unholy dk is a necromancer with a sword

like

[glacial bough]

The xpac was bad design

[royal lantern]

what else do people want?

[thin trout]

PIG BUFFS

[sour elm]

a caster necromancer duh

[regal sable]

caster

[royal lantern]

demo lock as a re-skin?

[regal sable]

yes

[peak bobcat]

Keep your filthy lock talk out of here

[nocturne current]

"We're removing Vendetta because a cooldown should not be about a boring damage increase."

"So here's Exsanguinate."

• Blizzard 2022

[royal lantern]

then play demolock and imagine your imps are skeletons

[sour elm]

yea instead of imps I want frickin skeles

[royal lantern]

[sour elm]

not the same

[peak bobcat]

Exsang is boring

[regal sable]

exsang fun

[sour elm]

like I want diablo necro in wow, thats all

[raven knoll]

exsang bad. ER not bad