assassination

[copper hazel]

depending on how high a level you play the game (outside top 50 guilds), playing sin on ever boss will be perfectly fine. Other classes do much more aoe anyway. Sin boss dmg will be nice

[gusty mirage]

assassination won't be the bottom of the bottom though

[vestal wren]

thats reserverd for subtlety (at least in pre patch)

[gusty mirage]

people out here acting like we're MM hunter

[vestal wren]

close enough in popularity

[gusty mirage]

I wanted to give sub a shot in raid last night

but then I remembered I don't have a sub leggo anymore

[vestal wren]

only around 50 times more parses

sub runs shadowdust atm

[spice spire]

MM hunter

[gusty mirage]

[thorn crater]

ngl i waited for a petless pure archer spec for a shit long time

i must say im disappointed af

even the playstyle is the most awkward shit ever

[spice spire]

Aimed shot

[viscid spear]

Look all these people playing lazy and/or meme ranged DPS specs

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Frost mage speaking

[honest vessel]

i like mm c:

pew pew

[viscid spear]

Yes.

[gusty mirage]

I also like mm hunter

sad to see it sucks

but also fuck hunters

so I'm okay with them being bad

[viscid spear]

I could never get into my Hunter; even had a whole coffee theme to her. Named her Irishcoffee and all her pets were coffee terms.

[thorn fjord]

Only because you cant stay red if you have any of the other specs selected 😛

[gusty mirage]

I hope grappling hook fails for you today

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/ibai-yo-explicando-meme-gif-18360117

Rogues explaining to OTPs why they betrayed them

[thorn fjord]

🤣

[thorn fjord]

Cant fail you if you're not specced in to it

[gusty mirage]

fantastic ability

works 10% of the time

[deft flicker]

Definitely more than 10%

[subtle tundra]

5%

[viscid spear]

Flying Serpent Kicks off a cliff

[spice spire]

Okay you got me, it’s actually 12%

[gusty mirage]

okay that's just funny though

I remember when I first joined my guild we had a WW monk

who got globaled on his FSK

and just fucking flew off the edge on sylv p3

[viscid spear]

Heroic Leap 5yds
No path available

[gusty mirage]

at least it doesn't consume the CD like grapple does

actual dogshit ability

watch the chain go out, don't move, on CD

fantastic

not sure how they fucked it up from 9.1.5 to 9.2

but here we are

[viscid spear]

The idea that it still throws the hook out while putting it onCD is funny

[thorn fjord]

The fixed it by giving us the option of ignoring it

[gusty mirage]

BRO IT WASN'T BROKEN

IT WORKED FINE ALL EXPAC

[deft flicker]

equips Leaper
jumps away then in

[gusty mirage]

WDYM

sdfkjghkuisdjhfgkjdsfj

Then we wake up one day

and it's just fucking broken

like

?????????????????

[viscid spear]

Just like me when I shotgun 3 Monsters

[thorn fjord]

Cant ride the interns that hard man theyre doing their best

[gusty mirage]

true

[deft flicker]

Still works like 85% of the time for me

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/it-works-every-tme-60percent-anchorman-brian-fantana-gif-11408850

[gusty mirage]

the fact that it's not 100% is problematic

lol

[deft flicker]

Those remaining 15% are just spec flavour, can’t have anything reliable

[gusty mirage]

god damnit you're right

[viscid spear]

uses Thunder during Rain Dance

[hallow sonnet]

At least grappling hook is 10 times as reliable as harpoon for surv

[strange python]

I'm more interested in figuring out why sylv doesn't plant for casts anymore

We had her full cast ruin from halfway between the platforms last night, and then not move when range kicked

[gusty mirage]

my guild ran into issues where the visual for the veil

was smaller than the actual hitbox for it

[strange python]

Yeah, veil will hit anywhere the visual shows and the same size area around where the tank was standing when veil went out

So your tank has to be in bait position and taunt with half a sec left before veil

It's omega cringe

[gusty mirage]

LOL

holy shit

[strange python]

I don't actually understand how it's possible to break a fight that badly when you aren't doing anything to it for a year

[gusty mirage]

you see the clip of jailer casting like 100 torments over and over and over again?

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9l7cVzEWMHGa-4ZFpmYXLVAs4Bg0fD1T

[strange python]

LOL

No but that's amazing.

Last week we found a bug where if you push jailer at just the right time his domination is instant cast

[gusty mirage]

yeah we ran into that first week of fated

we were doing heroic to get our warriors gavels

and he'd just insta cast domination with no pillars up

lmao

[strange python]

Wild

We were double selling mounts and wiped like 4 or 5 times and had to apologize because we didn't understand why it was happening

[thorn fjord]

awkward lol

[spice spire]

Brethren I’m ready to be a menace (helpful rogue guy) today

[thorn fjord]

Whats currently the best rogue spec but with the least amount of effort played? also i need ATLEAST 3 different viable end game builds for each spec

kthxbye

[spice spire]

Also blessed be the assassination channel has changed from hatred of exsanguinate to checks notes grappling hook

[white orchid]

Hey im in that clip that’s my guild lol shit was funny when it happened

[spice spire]

Outlaw, just press flashing buttons

[gusty mirage]

lmao I would just log off for the night if that happened to me

[spice spire]

Man’s untiltable

[white orchid]

Ultimatums tbag disrespect lol

Ultimate*

[thorn fjord]

Which one of you has an open spot for M Sepulcher this week eh? We're done till Tier 1 DF

[gusty mirage]

damn bro you late to the game

could've given you my spot

[thorn fjord]

Already locked to castle and sanctum lol

Guess i'll play P5 Royale tonight

[royal lantern]

uh, when is the raid release in DF again

[thorn fjord]

dec 12

er 13

[royal lantern]

13 for everyone, or for the beta server?

[thorn fjord]

13 should be US

[uncut echo]

13 for hugtesters

14 for Sigmaraiders

[spice spire]

The red name change

God bless

[uncut echo]

🥰🥰

It's my favorite shade, too

[echo geyser]

hello assa chan

[subtle tundra]

helol papi

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Greetings and salutations mister ramilyfamily

I hope you’re having a blessed day

[echo geyser]

right back at u

[spice spire]

Ty sir

So far so good

[spice spire]

Is it pink-ish? Legitimate question colorblind moment

[uncut echo]

Yes, it's a like 90/10 red/pink

Just north of maroon

[spice spire]

thought so. Seems like red rose-ish?

Maroon got me fucked up tho

[uncut echo]

I'm a color connoisseur, I own 45 shades of blue ink lol

[random fossil]

what give up for amp poison?

[cyan kestrel]

1 pt out of imp poison?

[spice spire]

Maybe? You can also just not take it, guide says to because it’s new to get used to it

It’s comparable at least

With mastery fix

[spice spire]

I wish. I wear very basic things, I’m not a monochromat at least, but color is weird to me

[thorn fjord]

ugh fine

Happy now?

[uncut echo]

U like outlaw tho

I just look cute in pink

[thorn fjord]

[uncut echo]

I can certainly respect that. Color is my entire world, I'd wear a rainbow if it was professionally acceptable

[thorn fjord]

Most of the clothes in my closet are black

[spice spire]

Red homies reunited

Same here

White shirts for work

[uncut echo]

I sign my work documents in a dusty lavender purple.

[spice spire]

Rest black/royal and or navy blue/ or some version of gray

[thorn fjord]

Yep dark blues are def clutch also

Light blues are good too... i have some teal

[spice spire]

Teal is another sketchy one for me because I try matching it with some wild stuff. Luckily most of my pants that I wear out are just blue jeans so almost everything works

[frozen raptor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[spice spire]

Anyway, Exsang enjoyers in

[royal lantern]

eat dirt

[subtle tundra]

hai

[royal lantern]

better quality

[spice spire]

Mobile dog water

Also greetings mister varas

@subtle tundra m+ testing gogogogolg

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser look what oxi did to me

[echo geyser]

free ad

now everyone will wanna join ur guild

[spice spire]

@ebon notch look at what someone did to me

[ebon notch]

you did it to yourself bro

[spice spire]

[slate knot]

At the moment, assassination is much worse than an outlaw for single?

[subtle tundra]

Tomorrow beach

[subtle tundra]

No

Or wait you mean prepatch?

[slate knot]

yes prepatch

[spice spire]

Prepatch yes

[subtle tundra]

Lol

Sorry

[spice spire]

Prepatch it is much worse

Than outlul

[subtle tundra]

Prepatch players

[slate knot]

not prepatch players, i must pick best spec and its no matter prepatch or not

[subtle tundra]

No you dont

[slate knot]

switching from other class and im confused why assa is bad

[subtle tundra]

Cause prepatch

Blizzard doesn't care about prepatch, neither should you

Play for fun not numbers

[spice spire]

Assa isn’t bad. Prepatch we don’t have access to DTB, and our legendary choice is sus.
So it’s performing worse than it will at say 70

[slate knot]

yes thats why im asking

ty

[spice spire]

Glad to help, gl homie

[slate knot]

u cant play good with having fun xD

[subtle tundra]

You can

🤓

[slate knot]

i tought vendetta legendary is replaced by death mark

but ofc no XD

blizzard pls

[subtle tundra]

As I said they don't care

[spice spire]

Supposed to be, and realz won’t say if it will or not at this point

It could be, it could not be. It was intended to be

[slate knot]

i like boith specs

but

[subtle tundra]

§

[slate knot]

i see kingsbane i pick assa XD

[spice spire]

Kingsbane won’t even be the st go to at the moment

[subtle tundra]

Well good news that realz seems interested in buffing it

[slate knot]

sadge

[cyan kestrel]

So is Exsang good now or are we just taking it to get to iron wire?

[subtle tundra]

Exsang good

[slate knot]

Death mark 2minute is bad

should be 1,3 cd

[cyan kestrel]

is it good bc deathmark or am i missing something

It doesnt look like it got changed mechanically from old talents

[subtle tundra]

deathmark is stronger than vendetta was

[slate knot]

ye

[subtle tundra]

no

its a 1 point investment for a lot of energy

[cyan kestrel]

I see

its still good to use during Deathmark tho right?

[subtle tundra]

before

but you never care about it anyways

you dont hold

you press on cd

[cyan kestrel]

ok ty 🙂

[subtle tundra]

ok so if beta m+ started uhhhhhh aoe buffs?????

WHERE ARE THEY

[hollow river]

They got stuck in the pipeline, never to see the light of day

[reef mulch]

Does Dashing Scoundrel increase the crit of all active poisons or only the ones on the guy you hit with the Envenom?

[violet jackal]

I'm sure it's all, my screen goes Brrrr when I play dashing scoundrel

[wary ice]

Envenom is also the name of the buff that envenom (the damaging finisher) gives you. Dashing SCoundrel affects the buff, not the ability. So its all active poisons

[reef mulch]

Ah great thanks!

[strange python]

Excuse me but bosses can be girls too

[royal lantern]

girl bosses are bis

[spice spire]

Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss 💅

[sharp falcon]

i heard a rumor, i bet one of u started it, definitely not me

[subtle tundra]

you have good ears

[spice spire]

[sharp falcon]

something funny might be going on with blindside success chances

[spice spire]

I’m scared

[subtle tundra]

wowee

hidden changes

🫡

[spice spire]

@balmy condor am I missing something?

[sharp falcon]

hidden changes? no changes

[subtle tundra]

hm im trippin

[spice spire]

Ignore varas, he’s a special man. His heart is in the right place though

[balmy condor]

I haven’t heard anything about blindside proc chance

[spice spire]

I’m looking everywhere I can find and not seeing anything either

[balmy condor]

I guess I haven’t tested it much in execute because most raid bosses smashed our teeth in before that

So maybe it procs weird in execute?

Idk, it felt pretty normal to me

[gusty mirage]

if the rumor is blindside is proccing a ton

it seems to be the case

[balmy condor]

Is that like

New?

[oblique jackal]

Is there a way to stop details from resetting bc of vanish on a target dummy?

[balmy condor]

Nop

[oblique jackal]

:/

[echo geyser]

yes, u use dynamic overall dmg

[balmy condor]

:/

Does that shit actually work for you

[gusty mirage]

uh, honestly I'm not sure

because I remember it proccing quite a bit on guardian

[balmy condor]

Wdym on guardian

[gusty mirage]

guardian of the first ones?

the last time we played blindside?

[balmy condor]

Huh

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

You mean you didn’t play it on the first boss of sofo?

Unreal

[gusty mirage]

oh right he was playing sub during that era

because it was better

[royal lantern]

spec traitor

sub main

[balmy condor]

I mean surely it was fine in 9.2

[gusty mirage]

damn yall blocked out SoD that quick huh

[royal lantern]

dunno, was my personal best tier as assa only

[spice spire]

Yes man

On blocking winds

[gusty mirage]

but idk if there's any wonky about blindside

[balmy condor]

109 muts 26 ambush?

[gusty mirage]

ye idk doesn't seem like it's any dif than back then

and I missed like 1 proc due to blood price?

[balmy condor]

Banger

Yeah idk I’ve looked at like 5 logs and they all seem fine

[subtle tundra]

i want to DO 100 MILLION 30 BILIION AOE DPS AND KILL SARGERAS

sorry

[gusty mirage]

varas

never change my friend

[subtle tundra]

why you new

[gusty mirage]

because I'm a herbie

[subtle tundra]

herber

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Because he was gone for like 2 weeks

[gusty mirage]

my absence has been felt

[balmy condor]

I felt it

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I also felt it

[balmy condor]

But uh

Idk

Guess I dig beta logs now

[spice spire]

I think realz is spreading a rumor

[subtle tundra]

assa got stealth buffed

and it just

beats outlaw

like, not in dps

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1039949428909428850/IMG_4628.jpg

realz rn

[subtle tundra]

in a fist fight

[spice spire]

Very true

[subtle tundra]

it just beats outlaw senselss

[spice spire]

@ both

[gusty mirage]

facts

we got varas

who do they have?

[subtle tundra]

jpc?

[gusty mirage]

I'd take you over jpc any day of the week

[subtle tundra]

fuck

[gusty mirage]

you're strong, faster, and hotter

[subtle tundra]

with my bravery i can take anyone on

[gusty mirage]

(facts)

[sharp falcon]

double-funny perhaps

gdi

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I See no issues in logs

I am confused

[thorn fjord]

they have fotm too

rip

[subtle tundra]

fotm is not outlaw he's like dk, pala and whatever else nowadays, a traitor

[royal lantern]

goes into spec channel
says blindside has issues
refuses to elaborate
leaves

[subtle tundra]

based color btw

[thorn fjord]

Had to be done

[balmy condor]

Hey he did say might be

[spice spire]

He also inconspicuously said that maybe one of us; surely not him said it

Is he having a giggle? What does it mean?

We have to go deeeeper

[balmy condor]

Idk I’m just lost in the sheets atm

[gusty mirage]

what did you just say?

[spice spire]

U ‘avin a giggle m8?

[balmy condor]

Dunno if I’m supposed to get out of bed

[gusty mirage]

can we ban this guy @stuck knoll @balmy condor

[spice spire]

No man

????

[subtle tundra]

same. check to your left

[balmy condor]

Body pillow

[subtle tundra]

(me)

[royal lantern]

check your right

[gusty mirage]

Illidaddy body pillow?

[balmy condor]

Nothing

[spice spire]

Brother you’re trying to ban me?????

[gusty mirage]

I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet

[spice spire]

I’ve been kicked plenty

Whispyr’s favorite sport actually

[balmy condor]

I do not condone kicking dogs or any animals for that matter unless it’s like a rat bearing deadly diseases and I were to stop the casualties of a small nation because of my heroic action

[spice spire]

You calling me a rat, buddy?

[balmy condor]

Are you carrying Deadly diseases threatening the lives of millions?

[gusty mirage]

have you seen the way he types?

of course he is

[spice spire]

???????????

[balmy condor]

Unlucky, guess he’s in for some tomfoolery

[spice spire]

[stuck knoll]

Who sorry?

[royal lantern]

makeitBark

abusing mod powers

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/peegeepee-dog-doggo-d0gg0-d0g-gif-21177135

[royal lantern]

see

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire he's speaking in british

[spice spire]

Bro

[stuck knoll]

Oh right

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Why are you hitting filter like that

[stuck knoll]

[spice spire]

At least censor yourself

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

[oblique jackal]

Whispyr you gonna stream ?

[balmy condor]

Soon.tm

[spice spire]

What today?

[balmy condor]

Idk

Ct maybe

Maple dailies

[spice spire]

CT streams

[ember mural]

Maple streams

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor nice hat.

[glacial bough]

where are the sin buffs -.-

[balmy condor]

Where are your parents

[glacial bough]

=[

[spice spire]

Bro

[runic hinge]

That’s ruthless

[vestal wren]

is there a buff needed for sin?

[balmy condor]

Thanks

[glacial bough]

yes we should be doing more damage

[balmy condor]

So true

[gusty mirage]

haven't you seen the prepatch parses?

[vestal wren]

oh

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

i haven't seen assassination parses, no

[gusty mirage]

yeah me neither

and I shame all my guildies who try using them to prove anything

[spice spire]

Doing god’s work

God bless

[cobalt hemlock]

@balmy condor do you agree with jpc take that assa should do best single targe tin game where there are like 2-3 targets?

[balmy condor]

Sure

That’s a niche sin kinda had but not really

It’s fine to want that

It’s an opinion

[wooden atlas]

Does the Cold Blood rogue talent result in a crit for every tick of Garotte? I'd assume no, but maybe someone knows for sure.

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t work on dots

[royal lantern]

no

cold blood is a troll talent

[wooden atlas]

Sad face. Figured. Thanks

[versed mica]

I thought Realz said at some point that he was intending cold blood to work for dots

[balmy condor]

He was considering it

[versed mica]

Ah, so he didn't end up going for it

[balmy condor]

Seems so

[cobalt hemlock]

unfortunate

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s probably not easy

How would it interact with Deathmark or carnage

And then you gotta actually make that work

And is it even worth?

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean we have something like that just in torghast xd

or they could make it instead of cold blood similar to the torghast power when you press this your next finisher is 100% more effective or is that too broken?

[rigid tartan]

I would have loved if Cold blood actually would be strong as fuck and a must take or baseline strong ability in your rotation, loved it especially in pvp back in the day since it actually could have a strong impact there

[balmy condor]

Yeah torghast, the literal room full of game breaking toys

[spice spire]

Something something exsanguinate

[timid cloud]

.

[viscid spear]

If I wanted to be useless I'd join the Frost DK channel

[spice spire]

[dark token]

Would rather cold blood said something bland like "increase your damage by 4%" than it's current effect, that's when you know it's meh

[patent quartz]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistSwissMarjoramPermaSmug-IxsP_X4mbEaZjINU

wheres this info at posted xD

[balmy condor]

was a conversation yesterday

[patent quartz]

is there a pure ST boss tho in the raid even

[balmy condor]

yep, one

[patent quartz]

or a fight where outlaw might not be the go to

ait

[balmy condor]

there's also the whole convo about whether that aoe is useful

but ya know

it is what it is

[patent quartz]

pad we must

[balmy condor]

sin has always been pretty okay in single target

[patent quartz]

no one wants to be ethical tbh

[balmy condor]

well, no one in #outlaw

sin and sub have coped on boss damage, single target, prio, burst, execute

[tacit oar]

Hey, do we play with dragon tempered blades @ 70 ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[patent quartz]

just copium, if sub/sin had the chance wed do it

[balmy condor]

builds in the pins

[tacit oar]

omg yes

oh you're the guide writer for sin on wowhead

[balmy condor]

I might be

[subtle kiln]

sub just copes

[tacit oar]

thank you for writing this then

helping a lot

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[thorn fjord]

Red boiz unite

[cobalt hemlock]

if you wanna support him you can use your completely free twitch prime on him

[tacit oar]

oh he is on stream

gonna check that

[cobalt hemlock]

just started stream 😄

[tacit oar]

which poisons are we using atm ? deadly ?

[cobalt hemlock]

deadly ye

[tacit oar]

and we take amplifying with dragon tempered blades i guess

[gusty mirage]

I have a complaint about the pins

no you don't

[oak sky]

Bald

[cobalt hemlock]

gottem

[gusty mirage]

don't make me dunk on you

[next edge]

Why you have the newbie leaf again

[gusty mirage]

cuz I left

for like 2 weeks

[next edge]

Yeah but yesterday you hadn't have it

maybe im bugged

maybe my brain got exsanguinated

or maybe youre an imposter

[gusty mirage]

it doesn't show up on my phone

but it shows up on desktop

[spice spire]

Ye it’s a desktop only feature

[gusty mirage]

false

it was showing up on my phone the first like 48 hours

[spice spire]

Bald

Fucking fuck man

[midnight mist]

baldy

[gusty mirage]

quiet tadpole

[spice spire]

Bald autocorrects to Vals for me TIL

Confirmed my own simping, unreal.

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-know-no-one-gif-24072009

[uncut echo]

OXI

[gusty mirage]

hi

[spice spire]

Brother is mad I’m not simping him

[gusty mirage]

nah

I can do better than some random white dude from the south

[spice spire]

Damn is that all I am to you

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

no you're george's owner

and I love george

[echo cargo]

Jesus

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

OWNER?

SOUTH?

[spice spire]

Nah, George is my homie

[uncut echo]

Phsyco MANTIS?

[gusty mirage]

george the goodest of boys

[spice spire]

I ain’t owning. He’s my best friend

[gusty mirage]

we love george

[uncut echo]

🥰

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I love George, he just doesn't know it yet

[spice spire]

He does know. And he loves you (and everyone, it’s really problematic actually )

[gusty mirage]

when are you letting me buy george a toy

[dense yoke]

anyone talk about how shitty sprint is? why is tiger's lust the same speed + duration, half the CD, breaks CC and you can use it on a party member 😂

[spice spire]

Whenever you want

But only kong rubber stuff pls. Any hard hide stuff he hurts himself chewing. Same with Nyla stuff

[gusty mirage]

they're not the same duration

[dense yoke]

uh oh stinky

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

tiger's lust > sprint

even at 2s shorter

esp considering that you can cast it on other people + outside of pvp still removes snares

bring back burst of speed

[spice spire]

Okay grandpa

[uncut echo]

Uh

Nice try?

[oak sky]

<@&224906552333697025>

[spice spire]

Oh this guy

[oblique jackal]

Is there a pin for the ST rotation?

[sturdy merlin]

What happened

[uncut echo]

Fuuimpersonator went fucking apeshit

[spice spire]

Someone went mad this morning

And has been trying to spam slurs all day because he was muted

[night delta]

Why would someone do that though

get mad on the internet ???

[sturdy merlin]

We get mad here everyday against one special ability

[honest vessel]

[spice spire]

Some people are interesting

To put it, lightly

[spice spire]

Last pin

[limber walrus]

@balmy condor I think Duskwalkers is working now

[frozen raptor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[balmy condor]

meme?

im logging in

[spice spire]

Should we ping the MAN?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

(Realz not Zeph)

[gusty mirage]

you are thinking correct

[royal lantern]

we should keep asking if dustwalkers works anyway

otherwhise whispr gets bored

even a couple months into df

[spice spire]

@balmy condor should we remove the top bit?

[gusty mirage]

are you blind

PAGMAN

EXCITEMENT

BIS

[wide bolt]

I assume itll be in raidbots asap yea?

[gusty mirage]

BEST IN SAUCES

[spice spire]

It

[gusty mirage]

L mobile user

nerd

[balmy condor]

tomorrow with data update I think

[fading adder]

Has duskwalkers been updated? I’m confused.

[balmy condor]

yes

[fading adder]

Lol love you boo. You’re doing great

[spice spire]

I had to close to update

[dark token]

Fuck I already refunded my duskwalker legendary after 2 weeks of no hope

[fading adder]

Yikes. Big quitter

I’m just a hoarder

[timid cloud]

Duskwalker broken?

[spice spire]

[blazing totem]

is duskwalker still bugged?

https://tenor.com/view/kappa-gif-4908381

[spice spire]

Lord forgive me for I’m about to sin

No it’s not, continue using dusk/deathly

[gusty mirage]

yes, the tooltip still says vendetta

unfortunate

[balmy condor]

@sharp falcon thanks homie, you've saved the kingdom on this day, but your princess is in another castle

Now moving to World 2-1

oops all exsang edition

[spice spire]

Exsang haters 👉🚪

[echo geyser]

finally we can get to working on prepatch optimizations now that dusk is fixed

im looking forward to the 40k ST sims

[spice spire]

[next edge]

Sin > outlaw confirmed

[gusty mirage]

You > me confirmed

[next edge]

You on me, a wish

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[next edge]

[grim tangle]

what about necrolord

[white temple]

Exsang tiem?

[timid cloud]

No.

How about…

We replace Exsang, with Flag?

[royal lantern]

what if we replaced exsang with a cute dog picture?

[random fossil]

wait dusk back on the menu???

poggeradfha

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

I’d accept it

[royal lantern]

now you can use a new legendary and still do 0dmg

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

i

RECRAFTED MY LEGOS

[balmy condor]

L

I said it would be fixed

non-believers

[uncut echo]

BLESSED BE THE KING

[limber walrus]

oh god what have I done

[uncut echo]

@gusty mirage , can you do me a favor and give me that sitting starege one more time

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

there there

[uncut echo]

tysm

ily

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

no fucking shot

you play osrs Oxi

[gusty mirage]

I do not

[uncut echo]

Okay, I hit join server for that emote

And it sent me to an OSRS server

[gusty mirage]

I joined pvme for this emote:

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

LMAO

im so happy

[gusty mirage]

the name is the best part

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

the string of numbers?

lmao

oh my fucking GOD Whispyr you're adorable

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

First time watching your stream :)

[viscid spear]

Why are you in his bathroom?

[balmy condor]

ah I see

[gusty mirage]

that's one way to call him hot

[random fossil]

Whisp is bae no homo

[uncut echo]

[royal lantern]

full homo

[uncut echo]

Now that I can fuck around with sin rn, are we sitting at Crit > Mastery in for prepatch too

[balmy condor]

ye

[uncut echo]

ty King

[random fossil]

i passed on a crit mastery ring tonight, gg?

[spice spire]

Mecha rings homie

[next edge]

im doing endless damuge now

pog

[sturdy merlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5ATXPMSec7dyzwtEyZhC65 outlaws beware

[next edge]

306 ilvl simming as a 290 outlaw

THE GAP IS CLOSING

[sturdy merlin]

[random fossil]

cba doing m+ i just came back from break 😦

[gusty mirage]

just wait for the duskwalker fix in sims

[spice spire]

Respect that papi

Respect that so hard

[random fossil]

and my dusk be on ring

[gusty mirage]

aren't you driving?

[random fossil]

only need one hand

[spice spire]

Traffic babe

[next edge]

Then you realise no Duskwaler into DF

shilling the hype

[gusty mirage]

the extra talent points do more for assassination than they do for outlaw

DtB stonks

[next edge]

That's actually really true

Well. DTB, ER, Tea

Shrouded Suffocation

are all of them really huge points

[gusty mirage]

it's just that awkward realization that there's like one pure ST fight in the raid

[next edge]

Well I will spec Assa there

[faint harness]

I am at 3

Maybe 4

Also how nice to fix duskwalker for 1 more raid reset

Unless ur gonna raid on df launch, some ppl might, no shame

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Gotta get those reps in

Respect the grustle

[next edge]

Also maybe there's just 1 pure ST figh

but depending on how quick adds blast

[faint harness]

Eranog is fake aoe

[next edge]

you can just hard focus on boss and that's it

[faint harness]

Dathea is optional aoe, you might not be in the jump squad

Unless you have to send everyone

Terros is just st

[next edge]

Sin stonks rising hard

[balmy condor]

invest now

[faint harness]

Kurog is 2-3t with some small shit adds that just dies passively, prob not something you spec for

Spider is 1-2t

[next edge]

Holy Sin is fkng button bloated kekw

[faint harness]

Think assa is perfectly fine in next raid honestly

[next edge]

Tea-ER-Exsanguinate

[faint harness]

Looked bad at first, but if it excels in st there is a place for it

[next edge]

Yeah you're right Push

[faint harness]

Not playing exang, i’ll fucking take my 1.5% dps loss and be a tiny toxic blade

[next edge]

Hope so because Exsang feels fkgn bad to play

[faint harness]

Ye some things are just not worth the pain

[teal bloom]

Exsang is so much harder to use optimally so I would probably do less damage with it

[faint harness]

Not really hard i think, you would get used to it

But its another thing to track that barely does anything for dmg

[next edge]

Isn't it refresh bleeds->Exsang->Refresh again because they expire super quick

😄

[faint harness]

Yes

It doesnt even happen around DM so its not too bad of a planner

[spice spire]

I’m betting the farm on sin. Let’s go

If we lose, we’re crypto (homeless) gaming

Preemptively saying it’s a joke

[faint harness]

I’ll find a niche for sub so i prob wont play it. But i think most rogues might, outlaw could be higher on the overall tho

But if you care about prog i think assa might be the go-to. #tierlist #ad

[subtle kiln]

oh no. @spice spire do a better jub moderating assa chan. why you makin Push pull double duty. I said duty.

[faint harness]

What happened to the quackers name

Literally surrounded by dogs

[subtle kiln]

Oxidized

[spice spire]

Bork bork

I’m driving home too, just picking up groceries

[faint harness]

Any sticks for the good boy

[subtle kiln]

if you forgot femur bones and bully sticks you best be turning around.

[next edge]

@subtle tundra time to get into the train

[faint harness]

He already knows

I know whispyr dont like it, but assa is the equivalent of a st dps leech

Always has been

It sucks the life out of 1 target

And does it very well

[timid cloud]

I’d love to get that kinda suck.

[subtle kiln]

ethical dmg

[faint harness]

Its like why play outlaw and make sure useless potato adds dies 3 seconds earlier and lose st dps and execute dmg + burst

Guys worst dream is just true

[oak sky]

bring back restless crew

wait

dont

🙂

[faint harness]

🙂

[subtle kiln]

outlaws saving grace for my vision impaired self was acrobatic. acrobatic assassin?!? heck yea

[faint harness]

Ye i mean ER gamer heck yes

Acro being the best dps option? Poggies

[subtle kiln]

where do I put all the key binds!!?!?

[timid cloud]

I won’t need all of them.

I’ll be dead.

[faint harness]

ER is on cov button

Not playing exsang

[timid cloud]

[faint harness]

Shiv on shiv button

Ehh what else

[timid cloud]

Uhhhh

[faint harness]

Sbs on idfk

Some button

[subtle kiln]

toxic connoisseur

[timid cloud]

Kingsbane??

[faint harness]

Not played

[next edge]

Tea too

[timid cloud]

Shucks.

[subtle kiln]

goremaw button

[timid cloud]

GOREMAW?

[faint harness]

Tea is uhh

[subtle kiln]

[next edge]

I have tea on G

as Green Tea

[faint harness]

G is interact

[timid cloud]

Why not….

T…

[next edge]

and SBS on E

[timid cloud]

For Tea…

[faint harness]

T is shiv

[next edge]

My T is for Sprin

t

[vernal adder]

T is kick smh

[next edge]

I have FoK on Q and SBS on E

im a weirdo

[sturdy merlin]

Same

[faint harness]

T for toxic blade, may you rest in pieces

[subtle kiln]

S is for Tea. Sweet Tea, like when my blood sugar is low.

[next edge]

oh, and new ambush on 5

[timid cloud]

I have FOK on mouse side button 1 out of 2.

[next edge]

Well, out of stealth ambush

[timid cloud]

My hand is STRONG

[faint harness]

Ah it doesnt matter

[next edge]

I have kick on mouse 1 and vial on mouse 2

[vernal adder]

I got Q free now for some reason

[subtle kiln]

what are you forgetting. lol

[faint harness]

I have like 50 binds to choose from after my binding overhaul before prepatch

[grim tangle]

tea is mousewheel up

[vernal adder]

Not playing marked

[timid cloud]

Kick is on R for some reason Ctrl+r for sprint

[next edge]

We basically get like 3 extra buttons right?

[subtle kiln]

30

[next edge]

Tea and Blindside

because fuck Exsanguinate

[faint harness]

Er

Sbs

[next edge]

oh sbs

yeah its 3

ER goes to Covenant ubtton so doesnt count

[faint harness]

Sbs needs to be a prime bind

God forsaken snipe ability

[lean fossil]

how we looking boys?!

[faint harness]

St good

Aoe just dont bother i guess

[vernal adder]

Tired, in game? Still otl lole

[next edge]

I think I have tea on 6 actually

[faint harness]

But i am the sub guy so dont take my words for it

Just observating

[spice spire]

Sub guy 🤨

I put sbs on R

[lean fossil]

i seen some of whispers stuff, we looking good for df?

[spice spire]

St looking good

[faint harness]

St prob best among rogues atm

[spice spire]

M+ little less

[lean fossil]

idk how the other specs are looking

[faint harness]

Bar any crazy outlaw apl i havent seen

[spice spire]

Zac is cooking dw

[next edge]

I have it on E but maybe should change it

[spice spire]

I have garrote on e tbf

[faint harness]

Ye outlaw apl in df must be real fun to work with… ”so if i press this button i get full cps.. if i press this.. full cps.. i guess we just finish after every builder and thats it”

[vernal adder]

Button glow,hit it

[faint harness]

Smash it haaaard

Love the hat btw

Fits your birb

[vernal adder]

The annual xmas birb

[faint harness]

Very cozy

[candid geyser]

Assassination #1 rogue Single Target…. Raid design center team: NP only 1-2 ST fights, rest all cleave and adds

[celest ruin]

dont worry next raid tier is 12 bosses of pure st

[spice spire]

[candid geyser]

patch 10.1 notes - Outlaw 25% buff. Outlaw best ST.

[spice spire]

No man

[celest ruin]

yeah but outlaw doesnt have exsang

[snow hamlet]

Lul

Hate exsang

[spice spire]

Exsang haters

[junior rampart]

Duskwalker patch now interacts correctly with the death mark ability for prepatch. Just read a blue post.

[balmy condor]

yep pins are already updated

[green harbor]

if you think exsang is bad, arms has a talent that makes you refresh both dots instantly

[unkempt belfry]

I'll be that guy, I've always liked exsang and gladly try and make it work whenever it's possible for sin rogue

[spice spire]

how dare you

enjoy things

disgusting

[uneven hamlet]

back to assa now bois

[spice spire]

[unkempt belfry]

I do miss the 300% exsang though that was in the bfa prepatch, at least I think it was 300%

that was super fun in world pvp

[sour wraith]

400% in legion prepatch

[snow hamlet]

Plz 150% and 1 min cd ,then I’ll like it 🥳

[oak sky]

I, too will enjoy having garrote down because exsang made it last shorter than the cooldown of the ability

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Exsang lovers never lose

Its crazy

[spice spire]

that's what I'm saying dog

[unkempt belfry]

we had the snorefest doubledose playstyle for too long, exsang gamers rise up!

[outer cairn]

finally

just in time to not matter

[cerulean nest]

finally i can start working on s4 raid and m+

[dark token]

It's like 6% DPS loss tho

[spice spire]

It’s literally

1.2% loss to take ttb instead

[dark token]

Is this at 70?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dark token]

Aight cause it's more currently

[balmy condor]

exsang being a 6% talent does not mean it's a 6% loss

[dark token]

I don't have 70 sims

Naw, I get that, it's just a much higher loss when I was simming. Next best point under the gate appears to be CT

But like I said I guess only TCs can sim at 70 unless you feel like compiling locally which is a pain

Bit annoying

If exang is 1% it's not worth playing but 5%+ is pretty large

Even if it's annoying af

[balmy condor]

you can sim 70

just need a 70 char and ptr=1

[timid cloud]

Duskwalker broken?

[pure moth]

not anymore

[hoary night]

so what's the bis for now? DW+KB+Exsang?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[hoary night]

cool

and we go 2dot->exsang->dm right? i was wondering if we exsang on cd or aline with kb but now should have an answer

[balmy condor]

on the opener you double cast for max pandemic before deathmark, yes

after that you just aim to get max pandemic and exsang on cooldown

[hoary night]

so do you now hold your vanish for the second exsang or use it when your first set of garrote runs out during the opener?

[balmy condor]

neither, you use it before the opener exsang

that way you have it for the future deathmarks

[hoary night]

thx

trying on the dummy now

[proper tapir]

We shouldn't just hold 2nd Deathmark for like 10 seconds to sync with vanish?

[dense herald]

Whisp could you macro ambush and mut or sinister strike together in a macro that prioritises ambush if it’s available?
Or are there scenarios where you wouldn’t want this?

[spice spire]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[dense herald]

Ew multiple key presses sounds terrible

[balmy condor]

nop

[proper tapir]

But you won't lose a cast.... The sim wants the energy from the extra exsang ticks?

[balmy condor]

you would lose a cast 8.5% of the time on a 5 min sim

and the sim says clipping the garrote early in your opener is slightly better

then just sending everything on cooldown is slightly worse

and worse than that would be holding deathmark

holding deathmark for exsang AND vanishis even worse than holding for just vanish

holding exsang for vanish is bad

as is holding exsang for deathmark

holding vanish for exsang is bad as well

[teal bloom]

Do you use vanish before deathmark even without exsang?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's best version of it

it's like +0.2% without exsang

and basically equal with

[proper tapir]

Thanks, babe.

[balmy condor]

so the best to worst way to play currently:

vanish before DM to sync them up
vanish after the exsang'd garrotes drop, during DM
hold DM for vanish
hold Exsang for vanish
hold Exsang for DM
hold vanish for exsang
hold vanish for DM
hold DM for exsang
hold DM for vanish and exsang together

[weak plover]

Is this the play with duskwalker?

[balmy condor]

pretty sure you would drop a point at the top, either with bloody mess or improved poison, in order to get exsang, and then move tiny toxic over to blindside

and then class tree wise I think it's fine but maybe you play mfd instead of deeper, or drop all 3 of those points and just go ER->resounding

generally fine though

[hoary night]

isnt resounding bugged?

[balmy condor]

bugged how

[hoary night]

like causing the unity not working. idk exactly or it has been fixed

[balmy condor]

I think that's an issue for kyrian covenant players

which we aren't

cause anything other than venthyr is hard trolling

but if it's bugged then yeah just play mfd/deeper

[hoary night]

yeah at least i'm sticking to vent with mfd

[misty comet]

Idk about it for Rogues, but last time I tried on my hunter, using either of the covenant unity bonuses(MM spec) that got repurposed as talents breaks your equipped Unity

[weak plover]

Sbs doesn't break obedience

Maybe echoing does though haven't tried. If the Sims are you be trusted deeper and mfd are just better

[balmy condor]

yeh

thought as much

[misty comet]

Makes sense, since we don't have access to deathspike, which would be the part that breaks it

Ah. i phrased that badly the first time. It's the unity legendary, not the covenant ability that breaks it

[thorn crater]

Do you shiv during DM too?

And say we get to a point to use KB

Does ER KB and shiv fit in the opener?

Or you just ignore them till DM@is up and running

[balmy condor]

you always want to dm kb

kb first is a waste

[thorn crater]

i assume the same is truefor ER?

or do you sneak it in at the start?

[balmy condor]

you can sneak it

kinda doesn't matter where you put er

[thorn crater]

just to get teh cd running on it to get it back faster i guess

[balmy condor]

yeh those 3 seconds difference ain't gonna tip any needle

[thorn crater]

i c

[mint ruin]

Is Amplifying>Deadly>Instant>Wound for lethal poison DPS?

[balmy condor]

yes

deadly > amp > instant in aoe

wound is omega giga dogshit though

[mint ruin]

It's a PvP thing right?

[balmy condor]

like it's not even worth thinking about for PvE unless there's some very specific anti-healing cheese strat on an encounter

[mint ruin]

If there are I'd sooner just bully a hunter into bringing a antiheal pet or have a demolock XD

[balmy condor]

yeh like jailer anti-heal was dealt with by warriors

just not worth a 3 sec poison swap

[mint ruin]

Oh right warriors are a thing. My RDPS main is showing

[balmy condor]

there was a strat to wound poison the big boy affix in season 4

in m+

but that was sorta questionable as well

[mint ruin]

Feels like rogue has to jump through the most hoops for antiheal

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's fine

antiheal is a necessity like once every 4 patches

[mint ruin]

Is there any feasible situation in which you would run DTB without also running amp?

[wooden dawn]

still find sin dmg to be SUS atm but prepatch so fuck it 🙂 even with lego change still def outlaw gang

[balmy condor]

probably not

[mint ruin]

That's the only reason I would see for ever using instant poison

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean it might be an M+ vibe