assassination

[balmy condor]

Was weird

[gusty kestrel]

pls tell me more

[balmy condor]

I don’t think I will

[faint harness]

Raketligan

[uncut echo]

My cousin was watching R6 Siege on the big tv over vacation

Like LOL

[outer cairn]

In the future, outlaw becomes a ranged spec and loses the easy button

[royal lantern]

lose?

you just Said ranged

that IS the easy button lol

[balmy condor]

Outlaw becomes Cassidy from the hit game Overwatch 2

[gusty kestrel]

whats the easy button

[outer cairn]

Blade Flurry

[uncut echo]

IT'S HIGH NOON

Blade Furry

[royal lantern]

if overwatch2 is such a hitgame, why is there no overwatch2 2?

[balmy condor]

Still a better cooldown than anything outlaw has

[outer cairn]

McCassidy

[empty hinge]

In the future, subtlety becomes the most fun spec and has the best funnel best st burst/consistency and also best aoe in the whole game

[outer cairn]

McFlurry

[balmy condor]

Presumably for 0 downside

[uncut echo]

Adren rush isn't based?

[spice spire]

No man

[uncut echo]

Gm 🥰

[spice spire]

GM sistren, hope you’re having a blessed day

[outer cairn]

K time to be productive. Have a good one ninjas. Don’t forget to race change to Tauren

[empty hinge]

Yes 0 downside to the spec

Realz told me that at 1330

[balmy condor]

Sick

[sturdy merlin]

Done already 👍🏻

[outer cairn]

Living the dream. Mootilate

[spice spire]

It’s only 0550, your narrative is crumbling 🤨

[empty hinge]

Sir it is 1351

Definitely not 0550

[uncut echo]

ONTOLOGICAL NARRATIVE COLLAPSE

[subtle tundra]

The only time it is is gym time

[balmy condor]

Who’s gym and why does he own his own time

[uncut echo]

Heard Gym is an asshole

[spice spire]

That was two hours ago homie, keep up

[balmy condor]

Aight government mandated nap time from me

[uncut echo]

Gn bb

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

Sleep well. ❤️

[oak sky]

Wtf

[spice spire]

Gn whispyr be safe papi

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbullah-hasbik-trending-viral-gif-21821710

[subtle tundra]

Loser

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

have to start getting up earlier actually so the car has enough time to warm up now

[subtle tundra]

The subway is always warm 🥰

[spice spire]

We’re not quite there but we’re closing in

[uncut echo]

Whatcha drive?

It's not insanely cold here in PA, but it's getting down there

[spice spire]

45 freedom units rn yesterday the low was like 65

[proper tapir]

I don't think cars "need" to warm up first. You can drive it with the engine cold.

[spice spire]

Broke: warming up the car for the engine.
Woke: warming up the car so the heat is pumping

[outer cairn]

Exactly.

You don't. Fuel injection basically removed that, but I'd rather drive warm than freezing my ass off

[outer cairn]

Yeah it was 45 here in MD this morning at 430 when i got up

[spice spire]

Morning walks to the gym about to turn into car rides

[proper tapir]

I used to just wear my coat until I got to the highway and then play a game I like to call, "take off a coat at 60mph without crashing". But I respect your take on it

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

if i could walk to the gym, possibly, but mine is about 10-15 away depending on traffic or how fast I drive which is relative to if I dragged my ass out of bed in time

[spice spire]

Our complex has a nice little private gym. So I just save the monthly fee and use it

[outer cairn]

That's good at least. Most apartment complexes I've stayed in did not have good ones at all or didn't have the equipment I wanted

[spice spire]

Want and need are two separate things. They have a bench, some free weights, some different cardio machines, boxes (for legs), and one generic machine for everything - I’m missing leg presses, but I can just use the boxes too.

[outer cairn]

I do a fair amount of power and oly lifting

[spice spire]

Haven’t gone for power in years.
Did in high school, then chose to skip working out when I was working full time and going to college, not a winning combo

Free weights only go up to 45, that’s enough for a solid workout anywhere so I cba

[outer cairn]

I'm active duty so fitness is required lol

[spice spire]

That’s fair
I was also a lineman in high school so at 16 I was repping 315 no problem - now I’d be lucky to get 285, which is fine.

Also how long have you been in? Old GM of the guild I’m in just had his 20 year retirement this February. Was a relief to him

[outer cairn]

14 this July

[oak sky]

Bruh was your bench 315

Is that what ur saying

[uncut echo]

38, was nice and brisk 🥰

[spice spire]

No that’s what I repped. Like 5 sets of 8 reps

[oak sky]

I dont even want to bench that much

Like 0 desire

[spice spire]

I don’t either anymore

You gotta realize high school was like

13 years ago

[oak sky]

Ok and?

[uncut echo]

God, stop

It hurts

[oak sky]

For me it was 3 years ago quake

And i was a RUNNER

[outer cairn]

running

gross

[oak sky]

Yeah i dont run anymore

[spice spire]

Yeah I know, I’m saying it’s infinitely different - you don’t wanna know the leg press moments.
But yeah, I had to make up for short arms somehow

[uncut echo]

Running is pretty nice

It fucking sucks until you literally get high off endorphins

[spice spire]

You’re younger than me, it’s fine homie

[oak sky]

I mean like

[uncut echo]

By 3 years!

[outer cairn]

well being a lineman also means having a lot of leg and chest power to block so

[oak sky]

Some of my friends are pretty big gym rats and have been for multiple years

But 315

[timid cloud]

My knees hurt thinking about running.

[outer cairn]

my bench max right now is only 255

well last time i went for max

[timid cloud]

Catch me hitting a thousand pound rack for legs though.

[uncut echo]

I benched 125 once 🥺

[spice spire]

Proud of you homie.

[oak sky]

Yeah i can do that

Well

I could

Probably

[spice spire]

I was also like 265 5’10 at 16

[uncut echo]

Leg gang or DIE

[steel ridge]

what a world

[oak sky]

I was also 5'10 at 16

[timid cloud]

Wanna know something?

I was that at 10

[spice spire]

Last I checked that’s a lot heavier than you agreon

[oak sky]

Guess how much i weighed at 16

[timid cloud]

No cap.

[spice spire]

112

[outer cairn]

I hit a 315 Front Squat in July so my Back Squat is probably 20-30lbs heavier than that

[timid cloud]

Soaking wet.

[oak sky]

Probably like 120

[timid cloud]

Someone get this man a sandwich.

[uncut echo]

Can we all take a moment to appreciate how a lot of serious gamers have turned to improving their physical health?

[steel ridge]

stop using imperial units at this time of day

[timid cloud]

[steel ridge]

jesus

[uncut echo]

It's kind of awesome

[timid cloud]

I haven’t.

[spice spire]

You said freedom units wrong

[timid cloud]

I can only do a thousand for this dumpy because I have a 5k cal intake

[uncut echo]

AR-15s per bald eagle

[timid cloud]

Got me WIDE

[spice spire]

God bless

[steel ridge]

freedom units, yes

[timid cloud]

I’m joking.

[oak sky]

Quake even now i weigh like 135

[uncut echo]

I've got an easy cure all for anyone who wants a dumptruck

Works W O N D E R S

[timid cloud]

Squats?

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

It’s that Tennessee diet

[timid cloud]

My tea laced with 25g of sugar

[uncut echo]

I exist off of pot roast

[spice spire]

No man, that’s disgusting

[uncut echo]

And vitamin water

[timid cloud]

LOL

[spice spire]

I enjoy sweetened tea. But not that sweetened

I also enjoy just plain iced

[timid cloud]

Neither do I. I’d die.

[outer cairn]

you mean sugar with tea

[timid cloud]

Like eating liquid cake.

[spice spire]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

Southern Tea all has sugar.

[spice spire]

Exactly

[outer cairn]

its fucking delicious

[timid cloud]

Unless you get unsweetened.

[outer cairn]

diabetes

[timid cloud]

I’m so full of sugar, YUM!

[outer cairn]

unsweet tea is just wrong

[uncut echo]

Diabetes isnt all that bad

[timid cloud]

Brb Timewalking

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/snatch-bricktop-im-sweet-enough-gif-14393053

[spice spire]

But yeah, I can’t eat fried chicken anymore.

My parents would make it 5/7 days a week. So I eat a lot of salads now

[oak sky]

Oh man

[timid cloud]

That was a good movie

[outer cairn]

Need to have a SHite

[uncut echo]

I buy chuck roasts every Saturday from Costco

And make pot roast twice a week

[oak sky]

Tbh i probably had chicken at least 2 days a week growing up and sometimes even that was too mucj

[uncut echo]

And basically cum everytime at lunch

Shit is magical

[spice spire]

I buy bulk chicken thighs and make different shit.

[faint harness]

btw who in here was talking about how assa was down bad in DF?

[spice spire]

I don’t mind chicken every day, just has to be a different dish

[spice spire]

Yes

[faint harness]

why is assa being boomies

[spice spire]

(Everyone)

[oak sky]

The chat is always fine when the spec isnt

[faint harness]

fake news

spreading

[spice spire]

Do you have new sauce mister noir?

[faint harness]

i just saw sims where assa has like the best baseline dps out of all 3 specs for ST

[oak sky]

Playing exsang = bad

[faint harness]

wdym

[uncut echo]

👌

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

Who cares about tuning lol

[spice spire]

Last I saw it was in line with sub?

[oak sky]

Please nerf sin

[uncut echo]

My potroast fucks hard

[oak sky]

Dont want to play it

[spice spire]

Not on 3t ofc

It was ahead

[timid cloud]

….

[spice spire]

But st

[oak sky]

Can someone ask realz to nerf sin

[timid cloud]

You’re being horny again…

[spice spire]

Bro?

[oak sky]

Im becoming the rogue all the randoms think we are

I want nerfs

Do not want to play this spec

I want an excuse

[timid cloud]

I had some today. Unlocked information.

[faint harness]

assa prob has the best tier set for ST too, the 4p just isnt working atm

[spice spire]

Post 4p juice

Oh yeah fair

[faint harness]

well the 4p doesnt work

[rich vine]

Very close

[timid cloud]

Shit is bigger than the cast iron pan

[spice spire]

Unlucky no st, but I digress

[timid cloud]

Sticking outside the croc pot

[uncut echo]

It's magical what a good roast, onions, carrots and potatos all sweating together can do to your tongue

[faint harness]

i thought assa was doing like no dps cus of all the whining

[spice spire]

I’m out here quelling the Exsang haters

Nah they just hate Exsang

[uncut echo]

Sin bad cuz exsang

[faint harness]

makes sense

[spice spire]

That’s the whining

[faint harness]

i mean exsang is indeed shit

[oak sky]

Why would anyone want to double rupture

[faint harness]

at least for the situation it's used for this time

[oak sky]

It makes me want to vomit

[faint harness]

"oh wowee energy pog exsang nice"

[spice spire]

APM going nuts tho

[steel ridge]

what is this sorcery, sin gud?

[spice spire]

[faint harness]

the only time exsang is playable is when you can snapshot haste

and its good for dps reasons

[oak sky]

Remove it

[spice spire]

That’s when it’s cursed

[faint harness]

on ST ye

shame next raid has 0 st

[spice spire]

It has one boss

[uncut echo]

Fr? I haven't looked at next raid at all

[oak sky]

One boss where ill get gaslit into playing sin

[uncut echo]

Is it all incidental aoe cleave shit for outlaw sumpremacy?

[spice spire]

Yes man

X2

[oak sky]

Like

I dont even want to

Genuinely

[steel ridge]

terros?

[faint harness]

terros and spider boss

[uncut echo]

Zepression

[steel ridge]

and maybe broodmother

[faint harness]

spider boss has cleave, but kinda useless

broodmother??

nah

that shit is 50% aoe and 50% st

for most dps

[timid cloud]

Did they do M testing?

[steel ridge]

how much gain are the Tiersets for each spec?

[faint harness]

around 6-7%

for assa its unknown

2p is 3%

[spice spire]

Sin in theory gains the most

[faint harness]

4p doesnt work

4p is prob like 6% on its own

for assa

so ye sin might be quite a lot ahead on ST

[spice spire]

Sorry mister noir

We a bit on the 🐀 arc

[oak sky]

This is so unfortunate

[faint harness]

just baiting realz to buff you even more

i know how it is

[steel ridge]

4pc not working? isnt it just plain damage increase

[faint harness]

its not actually buffing bleeds

only the instant dmg of bleeds

[steel ridge]

huh

[faint harness]

so like sbs only?

well its bugged

[steel ridge]

weird

[spice spire]

CT too

[faint harness]

its meant to buff all bleed dmg

[oblique jackal]

Woot Mastery fix for amp and sepsis !!

[faint harness]

WOOOT

[faint harness]

but ye broodmother is probably a very bad boss for assa

cus you want to go a bit hybrid into both aoe st, which assa basically cant do cus of their talent tree

[timid cloud]

Aren’t they also not testing the last 2-3 again?

[steel ridge]

on broodmother i will just hug the boss and ignore everything lmao

[faint harness]

thats not how the fight works

[spice spire]

Wdym DTB is the in between

[faint harness]

ye

i am sure you will do like

[steel ridge]

mh no idea what the mythic mechanic even is

[faint harness]

5k dps

in aoe

[spice spire]

Huge gains

Pb proc fishing

[oak sky]

@spice spire im gonna be playing sin in farm no matter what i promise

[faint harness]

anytime ur close to the broodmother you gain stacks

you have to do aoe

[spice spire]

Gonna need you to turn in that red name, king.

[faint harness]

at some point

[timid cloud]

Pray for Sin % buffs week 1.

[faint harness]

buffs

[timid cloud]

[still pollen]

i find it a bit unclear if duskwalker works in prepatch or not. can anybody point me in the right direction?

[faint harness]

it does not work

and it prob wont work

[timid cloud]

It does not. Lol.

[spice spire]

Pins, but it doesn’t work

[oak sky]

Yeah not on your life lol i like getting shit on whenever i enter another channel idgaf

[still pollen]

yikes

[oak sky]

Mains a main

[spice spire]

At this point it probably won’t

[faint harness]

brother its 2.5 weeks until DF

who cares

[timid cloud]

!duskwalker

[still pollen]

thanks :)

[timid cloud]

Pour one out.

[spice spire]

I’d prefer them focus everything into df 🙂

[timid cloud]

Lowkey, I’d play Sin more if it did.

Enjoy my last moments not playing cringe & weird Exsang.

[steel ridge]

so you have to rotate between boss and adds? sadge

[faint harness]

duskwalkers would have worked if it was a simple change

they prob tried the simple change

didnt work

wont bother fixing

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Probs gave up.

[still pollen]

yea not worth the effort

[faint harness]

ye unless you can cloak it off

[still pollen]

just wanted to make sure, because i didnt find it clear in the pin

[faint harness]

isnt it in full caps

[steel ridge]

mhhh big rogue utility galore

[timid cloud]

Yes.

But let’s be real.

Who is reading the pins???

[spice spire]

Not I

That implies I can read, and I’m an assassination main

[timid cloud]

I can only count on my fingers.

[still pollen]

also the wowhead guide says it works

[thorn crater]

time to practice osu. gotta get to 60 apm

[spice spire]

I can only count to 6, and that’s thanks to deeper

[faint harness]

whispyr was told it would work

and he wrote it in his guide

and i bet he wont bother updating a prepatch guide

[spice spire]

Yeah, he was told it would work.
Essentially what push is saying now

I’m too slow

Unreal

[faint harness]

SPEED

[timid cloud]

Wake up, Grandpa.

[faint harness]

Quacker too slow

unluggy

[timid cloud]

This is why he plays Sin.

[faint harness]

low apm gamer

[still pollen]

hah thanks for the clarification. cba testing it myself lol

[timid cloud]

Clicking one at a time.

https://tenor.com/view/typing-slow-american-american-dad-working-at-work-gif-13737282

[faint harness]

do you remember how old ppl used to type

[spice spire]

Clicking sprint

[faint harness]

and i was just about to post a gif

like you did

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-slothmore-zootopia-smiling-gif-12390417

[spice spire]

I’m also on mobile

[faint harness]

i dont think ayone types like that anymore

[spice spire]

I text slightly slower than I type

[faint harness]

excuses

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

home from gym, fresh shower, skipping uni

[timid cloud]

I do on the work computers, because they’re gel & running on XP basically.

[subtle tundra]

time to cry about assa

[timid cloud]

Good, my shift is almost over. It’s 6:43am.

Tag in.

[spice spire]

Most average varas day

[subtle tundra]

well i do have to study but thats mostly for losers

[uncut echo]

Me playing sin

[subtle tundra]

am i right

[timid cloud]

Gotta be faster!

[spice spire]

Yeah

That’s why we Exsang

[uncut echo]

S T O P

[spice spire]

Get woke buddy

[uncut echo]

Ur woke

[spice spire]

You’re literally an Exsang enjoyer

[timid cloud]

I’m gonna cry.

[spice spire]

Yeah I’d rather be sleep

[uncut echo]

I'M THE EXSANGUINATOR

[spice spire]

But here we are

[uncut echo]

Nah i feel like such a grandma

Playing outlaw with these wrists

[spice spire]

You are a grandma

Time to retire buddy

[hollow river]

Gm #assassination

[timid cloud]

Guten Morgen

[spice spire]

GM

[timid cloud]

Good cook, & playing slow spec, wowgrandma78, that you?

[outer cairn]

oh snap i forgot I don't gotta work tomorrow. 4 day

[spice spire]

Yo wowgrandma in chat?

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Why y’all talking about my adopted grandma?

[outer cairn]

Morgen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WMUyKx1pWc

[spice spire]

BecUse I pray one day she graces us with her presence. She’s a wholesome lass

[gusty breach]

any sim proffesors know how big is cow rogue passive ? damage wise

[oak sky]

Theyre all close enough that you can play what you want

[outer cairn]

Behold

[gusty breach]

name stacks up

[outer cairn]

lol

it doesn't matter. i'm just living the dream

[gusty breach]

leveling one atm

[outer cairn]

make sure to mootilate

and sneak up on ppl and whisper "moouwu"

[gusty breach]

[royal lantern]

look at dwarf

thats it

they have the same passive since forever lol

+race doesnt matter

[gusty breach]

tauren rogues must be best rogues, cuz nobody seen them prior to this patch

has to be lore

[spice spire]

Take this ratio then mister tyran

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Damn 0 ratio and 0 bitches

But race really is so minimal

[outer cairn]

Tauren Rogue = Master of Cow Tipping

[spice spire]

If you enjoy it, it’s fine

[royal lantern]

i will go dragon rogue the second its avaible, nobody is gonna stop me

[vestal dune]

By that logic sub is the best rogue right now, cause nobody sees them

[gusty breach]

in parses?

[vestal dune]

Ye

I am not doing m+ rn, so no clue if they see more play there

I guess more than assa at least

[outer cairn]

I like sub, just idk

[thorn crater]

lmao i just got decanter from vault

[spice spire]

[thorn crater]

after selling the one i got during heroic run for 250k

kek

[outer cairn]

i need a 304 decanter and scars

[thorn crater]

do i take salvaged fusion amplifier or decanter?

[outer cairn]

another one dropped last night and someone won it with a 100 and i got a 5

[royal lantern]

skill issue tbh

[outer cairn]

doesn't beat last week in normal syl where a rogue jumped off the edge and got carried the whole fight and then two daggers dropped and he won them both. was super awesome to see considering i still needed another one. finally got it yesterday lol

[spice spire]

Whichever one sims better (usually amplifier)

[thorn crater]

its for outlul btw

[outer cairn]

bruh i was so livid

[thorn crater]

only have one dagger

[uncut echo]

Wowma

🥰

[outer cairn]

i've had this other mythic upgrade token forever. finally got it last night. other rogue was outlaw in lfr and didn't switch so he couldn't roll on it

[twin pivot]

u ever tried to actually tip a cow

[outer cairn]

hell no

[twin pivot]

my fam raises a ton of cows

TLDR the cow wins

those mf are strong af

[outer cairn]

well yeah i can imagine

which is why

Cow Rogue is BIS

[gusty mirage]

Definitely amp

[twin pivot]

cow rogue ftw

[thorn crater]

another button to press

fml

[twin pivot]

i am a simple man
i raised cows now I farm with cows in wow

[thorn crater]

😛

[spice spire]

Cow rogue lovers but Exsang haters

[royal lantern]

all go cow rogue, yet im the furry for playing fox rogue

[twin pivot]

Exsang sounds like slang for a former pop star

[outer cairn]

man it would be great to just have a bunch of cows sneaking at ppl and then opening up a can of whoop ass and then saying stupid shit like, "look who got tipped over"

[twin pivot]

eat more chiken

[spice spire]

You always will be dw

[gusty mirage]

Just macro it to everything

[spice spire]

Macro to mutilate

[gusty mirage]

Sinister strike? Salvaged fusion amp. Slice and dice? Salvaged fusion amp. Crimson vial? You guessed it

[spice spire]

The crimson vial tech

[outer cairn]

You spelled Mootilate wrong

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I have one response to this sir

[spice spire]

Homie?

[outer cairn]

i mean I have room for Exsang, I just don't want another button to press lol

but i mean if it makes Sin competitive, well I guess do what we have to

[gusty breach]

that place is taken with tauren racial

mad respec

[thorn crater]

the stomp?

yep crazy dps usage

puts kidney in DR too

[twin pivot]

the brawn

[viscid spear]

🦐

The prawn

[gusty mirage]

I waited 16 years for these cow memes

What a glorious time to be alive

[junior rampart]

Cow says peek-a-boo

[timid cloud]

Posture check, my pals. Stop sitting like a shrimp.

[spice spire]

Work chair is the worst

There’s no correct posture while I’m at the desk

[viscid spear]

Standing desk? Alpha male energy

[spice spire]

No, chair that doesn’t adjust and comes up to my shin

[viscid spear]

I sat on a cat litter bucket for a while because my chair broke

[twin pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-funny-gif-21548565

[outer cairn]

No. The Cow says "Moouwu"

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cattle-cow-gif-23212465

[uncut echo]

Why no goat rogues?

Draenai supremacy? :(

[outer cairn]

I mean if I played as a Rebel Alliance Traitor sure

[uncut echo]

RAT?

Toxic.

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-you-are-part-of-the-rebel-alliance-traitor-gif-15532482

Vader said it so Hail Vader

[spice spire]

Every rogue is a rat

[royal lantern]

you get your chance during DF cus we are supposed to get full crossfaction guilds

[royal lantern]

whispr is the kind of person that plays skaven only in warhammer and calls other people Man-thing, ngl

[sturdy merlin]

For 10.0 or later ?

[royal lantern]

the words where "during dragonflight, not at launch"

my gues is that there is a shitton of stuff they need to test first, so that nothing breaks

[spice spire]

Yeah communities went smoothly so it’ll definitely work@

[royal lantern]

ofc shit will break

they told us for years they cant give us more bagpack slots

then they did it and kaelthas had no hair for a month

[spice spire]

Code in the game older than some players

Smdh

[royal lantern]

wow is 18 now

its legal

wow can buy Alcohol

[viscid spear]

Good thing he kept his Tempest Keep appearance when he went to Revendreth and not his Magister's Terrace look.

[spice spire]

Not in the states

[royal lantern]

not counting 5th world countrys man

[viscid spear]

WoW can purchase firearms

[spice spire]

Real

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

My MIL called me and said I was getting a handgun for Christmas

I was like?

[subtle tundra]

yo mom called me

[uncut echo]

That's fine, I heard ashes sound gravelly over the phone

[subtle tundra]

[uncut echo]

Gottem

Nah my mom is still alive and is a wonderful woman

[subtle tundra]

yea i know

can confirm

[uncut echo]

If there's anyone I'd let rail my mom and buy her dinner, it's Varas

[subtle tundra]

i would never rail anyone's mom out of the blue. im a respectful gentleman. we need a relationship

[uncut echo]

Beta Gravy

[solemn oracle]

Question, on tyrannical weeks, are we changing our M+ talents at all to compensate for extra ST?

[subtle tundra]

on tyrannical AND fortified you will play dtb

(noone cares about prepatch)

[uncut echo]

^

[thorn fjord]

Hi

[uncut echo]

You will excel (debatably) at 3 to 5 targets

[solemn oracle]

Ah, I see, thank you!

[uncut echo]

Hiiiii ❤️

[thorn fjord]

So only Tuesday raiding till Dec for me 😩 what the hell am I supposed to do thurs and sun night now

[spice spire]

Almost certainly not. We currently do not

[timid cloud]

[solemn oracle]

Thank you!

[timid cloud]

I’m just trying to see ‘bout that Pot Roast recipe

[spice spire]

Sistren? I’ll buy your mom a nice seafood dinner and never call her again for this one

[gusty mirage]

Please take off topic discussions to #off-topic

🙂

[uncut echo]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

Only thing about to change is the amount of messages in this channel if people keep it up

[oak pulsar]

So do we think sin will see an aura buff? It's been a minute since we've seen changes to sin and it's still not performing that well dos wise so copium here they are fine tying an aura buff that makes us stronger over all cause everything else is in a good spot

[subtle tundra]

no aura buff

[timid cloud]

🔮

It just depends honestly.

[subtle tundra]

they removed the aura buffs for a reason

[gusty mirage]

It’s possible we may eventually see some tweaks, but we still have quite a bit of time to see how things shake up

[timid cloud]

If we blow, which that is the expected forecast, they gotta revert some.

[uncut echo]

The spec is performing numerically mid single target

[gusty mirage]

Yes they removed the aura buffs as a reset so they could better tweak the baseline

[uncut echo]

The real issues lie in the inability to perform up to snuff in keys.

[timid cloud]

Like we gotta be like legit MM levels of damage for them to do auras though more than likely.

[gusty mirage]

Not really

[timid cloud]

I don’t think they care about our key strength.

[uncut echo]

That's a shit problem then

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[gusty mirage]

They just have to determine that it’s weaker than what they want it to be

[timid cloud]

It was shown in all of SL though.

Sin was legit the worst, if not near the worst of the M+ specs

[gusty mirage]

That’s what spurs aura buffs

[uncut echo]

While I agree, there are fundamental issues with the design of its aoe

[oak pulsar]

Ah ok I didnt fully understand what aura buffs where I thought it was short hand for general buff thx thst makes more sense

[uncut echo]

If you look at our logical counterpart in Feral

[gusty mirage]

Okay, so pop quiz. What does our AoE damage?

[uncut echo]

Nothing lmao

/s

[timid cloud]

Our Single target, as well as our builder / 1 finisher!

[gusty mirage]

Bleeds is the correct answer

What does our single target damage?

[uncut echo]

I mean I know where you're going

If blood strong aoe

We are turbo strong ST

[gusty mirage]

It’s inherently a shit situation to balance

[uncut echo]

Correct

[copper hazel]

sin does basically no upfront, big dmg, like all the good m+ aoe specs do, so it fundamentally cannot compete unless there is something changed in that department

[uncut echo]

I suggested a combination of things, but it's turbo bongcloud

[gusty mirage]

So to fix assassination aoe, either assassination receives an overhaul for how it’s aoe works, or we get forced into a shit gameplay loop

[timid cloud]

Lots of things have been suggested.

[gusty mirage]

And overhaul to the aoe was never going to happen with how quick we went from yay shadowlands to new expac unfortunately

[timid cloud]

Even something as simple as Shuriken Storm QOL changes. CP per target.

[uncut echo]

Give us a Malefic Rapture off rupture and garrote cp finisher that isnt worth using in ST, and overtakes envenom in 3+ due to targets and scent of blood

[gusty mirage]

None of those changes were going to ever make it to DF

[subtle tundra]

not really. if it pumps it pumps, pulls in high m+ take long enough to not matter if it takes a bit to "ramp"

[uncut echo]

Correct

[timid cloud]

It’s just spitballing designs, unfortunately.

[gusty mirage]

But realz knows that assassination’s place in m+ is bad and wants to fix it. But it won’t happen for a while

[next edge]

CT could be as a Black Powder

[gusty mirage]

Maybe we see some serious gradual changes

[next edge]

Where you only worth using at some targets but no ST

[gusty mirage]

Maybe we see a complete overhaul by 11.0

[copper hazel]

yeh thats a good point, the higher m+ you do, the better sin becomes. Unfortunately the majority of keys arent that high lvl so people will always be upset

[timid cloud]

Maybe. But that’s real 🔮

Gonna need a time machine for that one.

[gusty mirage]

It’s not. It’s confirmed he’s looking at ways to address it

[timid cloud]

I will not hold my breath, my pal.

[gusty mirage]

I mean that’s fine

[next edge]

That's a big point for outlaw too

The higher the key the better is outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I’m not going to take your dooming vs confirmation from the guy

[timid cloud]

I am hopeful. But even something as much as I joke around it. Exsang is still in the tree.

[gusty mirage]

He’s well aware and wants to address it and has said as much

[timid cloud]

Which has an Iron Wire upon us.

Get it?

[gusty mirage]

God damn it

You and your puns

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

[copper hazel]

maybe a tier set bonus does something in the near future, as a bandaid for the expansion

[gusty mirage]

That’s probably more likely ye

If you look at the last time assassination was “good” in keys

It was a bandaid fix

[celest ruin]

tier set should reduce exsang cooldown by 80%

[timid cloud]

BFA?

[gusty mirage]

Yep

[celest ruin]

press exsang every 5 seconds pog

[timid cloud]

Because Shrouded & Echoing Blades.

[gusty mirage]

And it led to degen shit at high enough target counts

[copper hazel]

i wouldnt mind combining an older patches tier with a newer patches tier, like we did in legion(I think?)

[royal lantern]

step in lego

[timid cloud]

I love spamming CT!

[gusty mirage]

Where you legit just pressed fok over and over and over again

[timid cloud]

YAY!

Garret 1-2-3

It’s fucking over man.

[celest ruin]

aoe rotation should be garet rapture exsang tab garet rapture exsang tab

[gusty mirage]

Idk it’s cool to have a guy who legitimately cares about all 3 of our specs, and given the limited amount of time he had to work on this shitshow I think he did a great job so far

A lot of work they did was just making things work like they should have worked for the last 2 expacs lol

[timid cloud]

Fair & valid.

[royal lantern]

dont forget making trees for dh aswell

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/fancy-tuxedo-winnie-the-pooh-gif-15693976

[next edge]

Realz is the big man

Tbh

[copper hazel]

i dont even want to know what its like talking to the DH community, holy fuck

[gusty mirage]

Be cautiously optimistic, but know that Realz does care

[royal lantern]

outlaw channel everytime its FotM, but less moderation

[copper hazel]

oh damn

[gusty mirage]

Based

[next edge]

Based AF

[timid cloud]

Only moderation you need is EternalMan

Truly on his villain arc.

[royal lantern]

ye, infinitepal keeps the channel atleast in shape

[copper hazel]

neverendingdude is the saviour of that channel

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I for sure don’t have him blocked

[timid cloud]

Everything is going according to keikaku. (Keikaku means plan.)

[cobalt hemlock]

what happened to scarrizard i know he used to design to rogue trees and did some nice things like s4

or do they both work on this

[gusty mirage]

He didn’t design rogue trees

He’s an item designer

But he left after people constantly harassed him

[hollow river]

He designed the tier set

[gusty mirage]

And shit talked his work to his face

Then everyone was pikachu surprised when he dipped

[cobalt hemlock]

people are mental

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

Like I wasn’t a fan of the tier sets either

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

But like at least the guy came in here and tried working with the community

People were DMing him their ideas and shit

And pinging him

Constantly

[royal lantern]

first mistake

[cobalt hemlock]

i think i heard he was promoted or something

[hollow river]

I liked all the rogue sets. Assa set got sorta annoying after a while but overall it was fun

[gusty mirage]

Probably, the tier sets in general were very well received

[next edge]

@royal lantern i saw that assa is simming higher in ST

[gusty mirage]

He also designed the season 1 DF ones fwiw

And I think he did a good job with them

[next edge]

We pog

[hollow river]

Higher than what

[next edge]

Both rogue specs

[gusty mirage]

I think they all have a good feedback loop to play around with the new talents

[hollow river]

Orly?

[next edge]

Well the other two

Push was saying so in General chat

[hollow river]

Lvl 70 sims?

[next edge]

Sadly ST doesn't matter in next raid

[hollow river]

Boss damage is almost always important

[gusty mirage]

Oh for sure

But there’s certain specs that don’t lose anything for cleave

Which kinda makes them a better choice

[hollow river]

For sure I can still understand that isn’t a good thing

[gusty mirage]

But it’s the first raid

Shit will change

[hollow river]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

If it’s the same shit in the second tier

Then we doom

[hollow river]

Ngl most fights my old RL would typically tell me to play for boss dam

[gusty mirage]

Until then just doom about aoe because ours is awful

[hollow river]

[next edge]

Surely it is

But outlsw does rly good ST

[whole mason]

omfg, that's why he left/

[next edge]

And gets aoe with 1 button

[cobalt hemlock]

anyone knows how to fix that my pop-up menus like character info or talking to npc dont open when i have weak auras enabled?

[gusty mirage]

I’m not sure if that’s why he left, he did end up leaving after the tier sets were sorted. Probably just wanted to leave cause his job was finished. But it for sure didn’t help convince him to stick around

[whole mason]

okay.

[wary ice]

@gusty mirage welcome :^)

[vestal wren]

[spice spire]

I’m at work, what have I missed brethren and sistren?

[vestal wren]

you missed nothing

hope your day is not that stressful

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Starting to sound like sub rogue did in bfa

[vestal wren]

*shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

Next tier for sure

They did sub rogue dirty in SL

I was so excited to play sub again in SL and it lasted 2 whole weeks of expac launch lol

[vestal wren]

the first 2 weeks

of sim deniers playing sub

[cobalt hemlock]

sub was the best spec for while

[twin pivot]

my guild has literally no rogues 😛

i was thinking of trying

[spice spire]

It will be a fine day, I believe in Wednesday

[vestal wren]

it was:

• not in castle
• all 3 ended up about equal in Sanctum
• was best for 2 weeks in Sepulcha

[spice spire]

But good

[vestal wren]

nice 👍

sepulcha was in general a bit of a hit and miss

i think assassinaiton was quite decent/good but still not played early on

and outlaw got buffed later on, so both sub/sin did not see a lot of play after that

[spice spire]

People hate exsanguinate

It’s that simple

[vestal wren]

yes, people just weren't happy with assassination in s3

[spice spire]

I’m apathetic to it

[vestal wren]

what is perfectly fine

hope DF is more exciting

[spice spire]

I will say the s3 affix for m+ was absolutely dog water

Though it probably was for all rogues

[vestal wren]

DF s1 affix does not look that great either

[spice spire]

It’s just anduin circles

[cobalt hemlock]

doesnt seem too bad when you get used to it but didnt play it yet just watching the good people 😄

[main blaze]

Sub would have been in a perfect spot if Blizz didnt have that kneejerk reaction in Beta to nerf it hard.

[spice spire]

Those could never be messed up

[uncut echo]

I've never been so defeated

[vestal wren]

sub was op in beta

[spice spire]

Aren’t you tanking season 1 of DF? I call that one defeat

[uncut echo]

I'm raiding rogue

I always raid rogue

[vestal wren]

but also all the things that made it op did get nerfed or fixed

people just didn't realize

[spice spire]

Tanking keys <<<<<<<<<< playing a mid dps

Wait

[vestal wren]

assassination was in a even worse spot

[spice spire]

Other way

It’s early

[vestal wren]

like it was straight out undertuned

[uncut echo]

Oh

[vestal wren]

and needed several buffs in cn

[spice spire]

I’m self dunking

[vestal wren]

but after that ended up as the #1 played rogue spec

[uncut echo]

QuackSelfOwns

[main blaze]

Yup. Assn had like 5-6 buffs in castle right?

[spice spire]

Yeah

An absurd amount

[uncut echo]

And it was still mid as fuck

[main blaze]

and it still was just barely doing well at the end of it.

[spice spire]

• CttC added made it infinitely better than the aura buffs

[vestal wren]

same thing happened to outlaw in s3 kind of

[spice spire]

And then yeah

Still the best but rogue in general was pretty

[uncut echo]

Remove slice, give us 50% increased base atk speed

[spice spire]

Then frost set busted for s2

[uncut echo]

Specs become far better

Needless maintenance buff

[timid cloud]

Frost Set carried us & Outlaw.

[vestal wren]

frost set did bring outlaw/assassination up on par to sub in s2

[cobalt hemlock]

dom shards despair

[spice spire]

And I legitimately can’t tell you why sub was good in sepulcher but it was

Maybe just fight design?

[vestal wren]

edge of night

[timid cloud]

It was cause Casino rolls & EON

[vestal wren]

first 2 weeks before other classes got weapons/more gear

[uncut echo]

SOD made rogues look good

[spice spire]

Even before eon it was still pretty good yeah?

[uncut echo]

Because of blue gem

[vestal wren]

yes

subtlety was basically #1 in dps first week statistic

[spice spire]

That’s the part I don’t understand

[vestal wren]

i did write about it on wowhead due to that

[timid cloud]

Because Sub tier to me wasn’t as good as the others.

[outer cairn]

I miss Winds of Winter and its fat juicy slaps

[vestal wren]

eon just had a super high carry over power

[main blaze]

oooh yeah. Forgot about that busted ass frost set. It did so much damage and healing.

[spice spire]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

They gained early value. But Sin/Outlaw gained more from item level.

[spice spire]

Proccing off of bleeds just made it insane

[vestal wren]

but if you have more or less maxed out weapons others have more room for improvements

[spice spire]

I pray they never make that mistake again

[timid cloud]

Hunter bow looks cool.

[outer cairn]

its a myth

[vestal wren]

frost was fairly questionable in design tbh

and was also easy to fix, if blizz wanted

[timid cloud]

It was buns at first.

[gusty mirage]

The Jeff Hamilton special

[vestal wren]

but tbh lets be happy they did not

[timid cloud]

Then they buffed them.

[cobalt hemlock]

every shard had questionable design

[outer cairn]

i was strugglign to get the dang gear i needed just to hit the 42% crit mark

[timid cloud]

I wasted a lot on Unholy Gems.

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

Glad I got banned & the 2nd Rogue went Frost.

[spice spire]

The more crit crowd same here

[cobalt hemlock]

banned?

[timid cloud]

It was because we were flip flopping on which gems to go, then they buffed Frost.

[spice spire]

Cydone toxic

Unreal

[timid cloud]

I’m a nice guy.

[outer cairn]

I wasted a lot on the red ones for sub

[timid cloud]

I…spent a lot of time with all of them at the end…

I said it was like a movie. Truly was.

[calm tangle]

do we use Amp. now or is that for when we have DTB? Considering the Mastery fix

[spice spire]

Amp is fine to use now

[calm tangle]

hmm

could prolly bump it with some talent changes

[spice spire]

I mean it’s a push, it’s a good thing to get used to since we’ll be taking DTB anyway

[uncut echo]

Dtb + kingsbane, make the 3 pointers 2 pointers

[spice spire]

There’s a reason for that

[uncut echo]

It'd feel awesome

[uncut echo]

:(

WYMMMMM

[spice spire]

Nah iirc, dev is worried about how DTB would interact with kingsbane making it omegabusted

So it’ll probably never happen

[uncut echo]

Ok tune kingsbane then

Nearly every class can take 2 capstones reasonably

[spice spire]

Nah I have the solution

Buff exsanguinate

But in actuality, that’s one of the worst parts of this, is not taking two capstones.
Originally when ttb was there, we could

But people begged for kingsbane

[uncut echo]

Ttb?

[sturdy merlin]

Tiny toxic blade

the shiv thing

[uncut echo]

Mm

[spice spire]

Yeah sorry

[uncut echo]

Ok

I mean kb needed to return IMO

Super thematic ability

[subtle tundra]

i mean... it would literally remove and choice from the tree. you'd go dtb+ either one of the capstones

and side choices wouldnt be possible to get

[uncut echo]

I think that's entirely fine

[subtle tundra]

its not though

[spice spire]

I wasn’t a legion player so kb means nothing to me

[subtle tundra]

thats the whole reason you have talent trees

to have options and choice

[spice spire]

I’ve no dog in the fight, ive no nostalgia with kb or whatever. I’m just reiterating

[uncut echo]

Ok, and there's already permachoices

[subtle tundra]

there's some

[uncut echo]

By that logic we should have scenarios where we dont take deathmark

[subtle tundra]

but you have more than 2 choices

[uncut echo]

Idk man it's entirely fine for things to be shoe in, and then variety for say st or m+

[spice spire]

Deathmarkless assassination

[subtle tundra]

and no

[spice spire]

I mean I’m inclined to agree, the lack of choice is disappointing but it could all change in 10.1

[subtle tundra]

deathmark is put there for the reason that you'd take it 100% of the time

[uncut echo]

We also take dtb 100% of the time rn too

???

[subtle tundra]

yea but thats a numbers issue

not a tree issue

[uncut echo]

Valid

Varas I'm just saying this is standard design practice for a bulk of the specs

[spice spire]

That wasn’t the argument though. The argument was “there’s some permachoice already”

[uncut echo]

It's an OK thing for some things to be defacto taken

[subtle tundra]

well. yea unfortunately

but you still have a number of choices to make

after you get your capstone

[uncut echo]

That's fine

[spice spire]

You do, but the capstone issue is a valid one.
But one that can be fixed later

[uncut echo]

Yes

[spice spire]

I really don’t want a last second tuning disaster

Sl ptsd

[uncut echo]

No I dont either

But i'd rather us underperform and get the appropriate compensation

We tend to get balancing for our class

[spice spire]

Tbf Ive been on the “delay the xpac” train for a while, but it’s here now. So we take what we can. Overall I’m very happy with the tree, with a few minor tweaks making it better down the line.

I do think that I could be coping hard because my first new expansion in a decade was SL and that was a disaster. So this by comparison seems fantastic

[subtle tundra]

make ttb a capstone again

[spice spire]

Cursed

Remove kb

[uncut echo]

Kb is excellent

Shut your uncultured mouth

[spice spire]

I’m a hater homie, sorry

[uncut echo]

If sin will suck in aoe

Make it a st god

[subtle tundra]

make kb aoe AAAAA

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

AHAHAHAHA

[subtle tundra]

if you hit the target affected by kb with envenom it hits all nearby enemies

fuck make me a blizzard designer

[uncut echo]

You said make ttb capstone

Immediate disqualified

I got gigachadded for my malefic rapture idea by realz

[subtle tundra]

you dont get me. do you.

[uncut echo]

So I'm immediately better

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Give us a better aoe rupture and garrote app ability and have somr form of splash damage for hitting a single target and we're fixed

[uncut echo]

Im sorry im sure you'd fix sin for us

Varas x Realz

[subtle tundra]

well of course.

i know how to do it.

[spice spire]

Varas mid designer!!

He’s not even sigma!

[subtle tundra]

so. ct is on venomous wounds and does 200% more instant dmg

we are sub now guys!

[uncut echo]

Lowkey ct is on ven wounds is based

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

ok i was just memeing but you scare me

[uncut echo]

NO

FULL SEND

[subtle tundra]

yay mandatory in ST!

[spice spire]

No man

[uncut echo]

Ct applies rupture too

[steel ridge]

at half duration

lmao

[uncut echo]

Yes

Lets be reasonable

[steel ridge]

even one third would be op

and very feral

[burnt latch]

Its almost like there is a bleed melee spec that already does something like this

Forever a cat stan

[uncut echo]

Make us better cat

We deserve it

[burnt latch]

Honestly just copy everything they do

And give them what we do

[uncut echo]

Ya

Kinda

[spice spire]

This is the most unbased thing I’ve ever heard you say mister Warcieft

This could also be because my feral Druid audibly meows at me several times a night and has created ptsd but who knows

[burnt latch]

Its minister Warcieft now, I made it to the primal council

[spice spire]

Sorry minister of herbies warcieft

[burnt latch]

all good soldier i hope the cat stops meow

[spice spire]

He never will

[burnt latch]

I am currently napping with the doggo he never disturb sleep very good boy

[spice spire]

God bless I love him. Hope he gets many pets

[burnt latch]

I just gave him a smol bone treato and some cheese now he slumbers

[uncut echo]

🥰🥰🥰

[spice spire]

God bless

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

I wish I could keep people muted

Because I’d mute myself

Any Exsang enjoyers in chat

[wary ice]

Exsang with a fatty haste on use is pogged up

[spice spire]

Someone a bit too bricked up rn

[burnt latch]

Btw y is exsang good all of a sudden

Did they change how it works or

[wary ice]

I think its just cause u can take it without having to lose other things that are just better

[spice spire]

It’s just some apm added which turns out to be a good thing and yeah

Exsang’s biggest issue was it was competing with alacrity which was always just better

[burnt latch]

Fuck exsang

[wary ice]

I'm tryna 😍😍