assassination

[timid cloud]

I think the biggest ability that needs a rework is maybe the line ability.

Besides Exsang.

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

Which is the biggest ability that needs a rework.

[dark token]

No cap exang is bussin fr fr

[thorn fjord]

Well played cydone

[timid cloud]

[plain fiber]

is assa easier to play then outlaw?

[timid cloud]

Subjective.

[thorn fjord]

Depends on your brain tbh

[plain fiber]

my brain is ass

[chilly viper]

youll fit right in

[plain fiber]

90% OF THE time i forget to use my bones

[timid cloud]

What do you play now?

[plain fiber]

out

[timid cloud]

Is it too fast for you, currently?

[plain fiber]

in a way

[chilly viper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-smile-stressed-thats-what-they-said-gif-16544362

[thorn fjord]

Sin is more fluid imo

[timid cloud]

Less procs on sin.

[plain fiber]

outlaw?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah you’re mostly just managing your bleeds

And then when CDs are up you just gotta know the cast order of things outside of that it’s rinse repeat

[timid cloud]

Outlaw is ADHD, serotonin injection.

[plain fiber]

so i should play assa?

i want to play something slower then outlaw

[timid cloud]

Procs, fast pace, send & forget it.

[plain fiber]

outlaw is just so much

[timid cloud]

Yeah. You could.

[uncut echo]

hello why did u ping me

[timid cloud]

Sub works as well.

[timid cloud]

The name.

[thorn fjord]

Even if you’re playing pirate bad you’ll still be blasting though lol

[uncut echo]

[plain fiber]

yeh

[timid cloud]

[plain fiber]

but assa works ok?

For pve/pvp

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

It could work better. But is definitely a class, with a spec, talent trees, & it does have abilities.

[thorn fjord]

It’s definitely a spec

🤣

[timid cloud]

At the end of the day, I’d try the other 2 & see what suits you.

But Sin is in fact, slower than Outlaw. But the bar is on the floor with that one, since a lot of specs are.

[plain fiber]

WHAT is sin?

atm this is the spec i got https://i.imgur.com/VJzV1hu.jpeg but im gonna change to asss after this

[thorn fjord]

Yep that’s standard fit pirate atm

[sturdy lichen]

Is there a macro to cast ambush instead of mutilate (blindside procs)

[thorn fjord]

You can lose hook and HH to pick up three bte talent

The bte*

[timid cloud]

I think the macro that replaces Muti with Ambush, you still gotta hit it twice.

[plain fiber]

Whats the easiest spec for pvp tho?

[timid cloud]

Could’ve sworn it was in the pins.

I’d ask in #pvp

[plain fiber]

aight 😄

[timid cloud]

I’ve been outta the game for a minute on that one.

[thorn fjord]

Prob sun

Sun

Sub***

[plain fiber]

lol

took you 3 tries :p

[thorn fjord]

My phone is dumb

[sturdy lichen]

Hm, better than nothing I'll look, ty

[thorn fjord]

I’ve been running outlaw for pvp and it’s doing a TON of damage tho

[sturdy lichen]

Sin and sub are equal in PvP rn imo

[plain fiber]

IS SIn outlaww+

[thorn fjord]

Yeah they both work sub will be harder to play

[timid cloud]

It was in the FAQ, but Whispyr cleared it out.

Or in the pins.

[sturdy lichen]

[plain fiber]

there is so many abilities 😢

[spice spire]

Only one true ability

Exsanguinate

[timid cloud]

.

[plain fiber]

do we use crimson ?

[strange python]

For aoe builds?

[plain fiber]

ST

[dark token]

If u talent it

[plain fiber]

do i need it?

[timid cloud]

No.

Not for ST.

[grave eagle]

doomblade doesnt seem to be working for me under level 60 atm

never proccing any dots/bleeds

to clarify i stood in front of a dummy and spammed mutilate for 5 minutes

[dark token]

Not surprised its a shadowlands legendary

[grave eagle]

similar thing with this in Outlaw tree

except Doomblade has no tooltip saying "Requires Level 60"

[plain fiber]

does 3k dps sound like a reasonable dps for 185 ilvl llol

[timid cloud]

Count is currently a conduit for Outlaw.

[timid cloud]

Dunno.

[grave eagle]

What about doomblade

I haven't played WoW in a bit but it seems counterintuitive to have these in the tree
Then have separate restrictions some of which don't show on the tooltip

What I'm really asking is if I should report this as a bug

[timid cloud]

This was the answer.

[grave eagle]

You're not really following
It's w/ever, guess I'll wait until DF to see what happens

[timid cloud]

I would report it, as it seems to be a bug.

[grave eagle]

Got it. Thank you

[timid cloud]

Legendaries don’t stack with talents either.

[spice spire]

Gonna keep it a buck.
Prepatch makes it unclear but it doesn’t sound right. 185 also insanely low tho

[timid cloud]

You can buy 230 something gear from the anima quartermaster in Zereth Mortis.

Like 500 a piece? It’s been awhile. Could be off.

Just need to do the quest to unlock them. Which takes like 5 minutes.

[thin gate]

any1 knows if this 8/8 Mythic Trinket gonna be super busted?

like the nature damage cycle that improves in stacks and damage

the argus like trinket

[timid cloud]

🔮

Could be good, could be buns.

[spice spire]

He’s right

Crystal ball time

[timid cloud]

Just gotta wait & see what the #’s look like.

We’ll send Whispyr back into the Koji labs to sort it out.

[merry sentinel]

In the assassination opener, it seems like we can ambush and still have time to get an improved garrote in. Is it worth to do this?

[balmy condor]

not really with shrouded

without shrouded, sure

shrouded makes you go gar snd gar

without, you can ambush snd gar

[merry sentinel]

ok thank you

[modern girder]

can someone paste code for a solid m+ build? ive been using a single target build i think

[balmy condor]

try wowhead

[modern girder]

i dont like the guides on there. it has a few dumb opinions like instead of increased melee range + 4% versatiltiy it took the path for 8% more stealth damage and 1 increased cp for ambuses

so i dont think the guides are actually good enough :p

[balmy condor]

I won't take it personally

I definitely don't recommend nightstalker or imp ambush

so

idk what wowhead guide you're reading

[modern girder]

i hardly know what im doing i just rolled rogue like 5 days ago but i dont really get much restealth chances, its only when i can pop vanish or the tank isnt fast enough on his chain pulling

[balmy condor]

but that's fine

[modern girder]

the one from the pinned msgs

[balmy condor]

yes

there is no guide that recommends nightstalker or imp ambush

[modern girder]

🤔 maybe i got mixed up with the pinned icyveins guide? ill go doubel check. ikinda just bye feliciaed them both after noticing something so small but dumb like this

[balmy condor]

maybe you're looking at outlaw

[modern girder]

cos it was one of those 2 i copy pasted a tree

no

[balmy condor]

cause me and seli both talked about the builds we recommend

[modern girder]

i pasted a tree for sin o.O

[balmy condor]

to keep the builds consistent

across guide platfroms

[modern girder]

im starting my key after im done ill look and try to see where i found that from

[honest vessel]

is master poisoner better for sin than the other two specs?

[balmy condor]

no

[honest vessel]

cool

[static glacier]

any recommendations for stream vods / vid uploads of beta keys as sin? not been able to find any

[drifting cloud]

varras has a few keys in a vod

[worn badger]

has any one messed around with the healing talents on beta ? do they do anything in pvp or solo content ? feels like a slap in the face after the comments they made back at blizzcon before SL that said we would get to pickpocket regents to make it usefull =/

[balmy condor]

they're the same healing talents we pretty much had in shadowlands

idk what "do they do anything" means in that context

recuperator was a conduit

leeching was already a talent

[static glacier]

you remember when they talked about customisable crimson vial with reagents obtained from pickpocketing, right?

[balmy condor]

iron stomach is kinda new I guess but it's whatever

[static glacier]

I think he means that

[balmy condor]

yeah

I do remember that

[static glacier]

we got scammed xd

[balmy condor]

you can take one look at the talent trees and see that it doesn't exist

so I can't really give any commentary on it

[static glacier]

imo it would have been more for flavour than anything. rogue defensives have been and will continue to be top tier 🙂

[worn badger]

ah thanks, my smooth brain missed that they were just the conduits and existing talent.

[balmy condor]

yeh iron stomach was an outlaw talent

leeching was a sin talent

recup was a conduit

soothing was a sub talent but it got reworked to be kinda shit

at least for non-sub

probably still fine for sub

[worn badger]

sad =/ but yeah i still want that pickpocketing for crimson vial reagents

i also want double kick and to win the powerball =/

[balmy condor]

double kick is quite something

[worn badger]

at least i got gouge back

[misty holly]

What if you could put as many points into each talent as you want, with no cap. If you want 5 charges of kick you could just spend 5 points on it.

I would put all 31 general tree points into kick for pvp and then just sit on the healer like "I dare you to try something"

[sudden nacelle]

is deathmark on gcd my dudes? am i able to bind other cds with it?

[weak horizon]

It's on gcd

[sudden nacelle]

awww man

thats no fun

[balmy condor]

it was one of the main goals of reworking vendetta

[sudden nacelle]

sounds like a pretty shitty goal to me 😦

[balmy condor]

??????????

[sturdy merlin]

You carve a deathmark into your enemy, that’s not something you can do off gcd like vendetta (points angry at an enemy)

[oak sky]

the goal was to make our cd interesting enough and do enough shit that it was worthy of a gcd

[somber fractal]

i think what he means to say is "I prefer the version of the game where most major cooldowns were off the GCD"

[oak sky]

most still are

[sudden nacelle]

bingo bango

[balmy condor]

why is mutilate on the gcd 🤓

[sudden nacelle]

true, i can mutilate without my hands

[night delta]

major cooldowns that do nothing by themselves definitely deserve to be off-gcd, and there's room for that too in the game

[oak sky]

theres 5 on gcd cds in dragonflight btw

off the top of my head

might be 1 or 2 more

[night delta]

wanting our major cooldown to be on gcd wasn't in itself a good or bad development

[sudden nacelle]

yeah tbh it feels like wotlk days again when i spend the first 6 gcds of a fight setting up

le slow

[night delta]

it was a choice. It fits with the new design. It's all that matters

[vernal adder]

Put movement on gcd

[spice surge]

play assassination
complain about setup
???

[balmy condor]

you realize this has nothing to do with deathmark right

[somber fractal]

just play sub and use the god mode macro

Shadow Blades
Shadow Dance
Symbols
Shadow Strike
Racial
Potion
Trinket

all on one button

[sudden nacelle]

yes, it was a seperate point my brother, the convo had moved on

[balmy condor]

💀

[sudden nacelle]

☠️

[sturdy merlin]

6gcd for setup is too much ?

[sudden nacelle]

personally, yeah feels slow to me

im not denying their design or anything. just a personal preference

[somber fractal]

WRONGTHINK DETECTED

[night delta]

having to spend so much time in BL setting up is infuriating imo

[sudden nacelle]

oh god they're after me

[sturdy merlin]

Don’t play sin rn man 💀

[night delta]

Pull BL is just feelsbadman

[somber fractal]

yeah ive unfortunately made the decision to not play sin in DF. my favorite spec in the game, but this version of it is yikes

[balmy condor]

whats not good about it

[somber fractal]

not to my taste

[vernal adder]

Dont ever try sin after midnight bro

[spice surge]

And why was it your taste before

Its not significantly different

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to understand what is your taste

[sturdy merlin]

6gcd was what sin setup looked like in 9.0/9.1 now it takes double time to get things going

💀

[night delta]

Forsaken moment

[oak sky]

isnt he the fast sin enjoyer

[sudden nacelle]

objective vs subjective

[balmy condor]

sin on beta is 58 apm

[vernal adder]

Maybe they have.covid

[balmy condor]

how much faster can it go

[spice surge]

2 apm faster 🙂

[oak sky]

i bet its just exsang

which is like

yeah

[drifting cloud]

dont worry guys most of you will unsub by february

[somber fractal]

something without exsang, tea, and ER is more my flavor

[drifting cloud]

then it doesnt matter how sin plays

[balmy condor]

yeah but you can just not talent into it

[night delta]

[balmy condor]

aight well

if you hate the entire class tree

then yeh

[oak sky]

ok so no rogue build unless the class tree gets fully reworked

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[vernal adder]

Real words by ryler

[balmy condor]

I get that

[oak sky]

tea is boring but ill play with it

er is fine ig

[somber fractal]

yep lol im probably gonna play ww or unholy

[royal lantern]

i mean, this, but un-ironic

[oak sky]

exsang is yucky

[royal lantern]

horrible class/spec tree

[oak sky]

tbh like

the class tree has usable abilities

boring but i dont feel AWFUL pressing them

[balmy condor]

I've warmed up to ER on sin

tea is a little meh

[oak sky]

i already liked er ok

[balmy condor]

dance is worthless

[oak sky]

i hate tea

hate cold blood more

hate exsang

but tea is like

pretty boring

not like

awful to use

[balmy condor]

yeah

[sudden nacelle]

cold blood is such a wet noodle now... like whysit even there, especially that deep

[night delta]

basically a pvp thing at this point

[sudden nacelle]

agreed with tea feeling trash tho. imo any ability that 'does nothing' in a sense, feels bad

[oak sky]

imo cold blood is and has been the most boring ability in the tree

[somber fractal]

ER doesnt feel as bad as it did on sub, but i still dont fancy it

[sudden nacelle]

ya feels like they needed a node filled and didnt know what to do

[night delta]

I don't mind tea, it feels like it can at least have some interplay

[somber fractal]

cold blood is a "we ran out of ideas" ability so heres some classic nostalgia

so is tea

[night delta]

like sync with shiv when energy low, that kind of thing

[royal lantern]

there are multiple nodes like that

[sudden nacelle]

i feel ya

[fallen arch]

Tea ls off gcd right?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[night delta]

yes

[sudden nacelle]

makes sense

cos you can drink tea without your hands

[fallen arch]

Camelbag

[desert inlet]

it comes in a hydration backpack

[night delta]

intravenous tea

[sudden nacelle]

i just attatch a small gnome to my back

[somber fractal]

i think a lot of things just didn't come together and makes sin feel bad. cooldowns not lining up and the answer being just hit them unsynced feels bad imo

[royal lantern]

UK moment

[night delta]

well that's mostly an exsang thing

[oak sky]

shiv existing does that

and has done that forever

[somber fractal]

yeah it's an exsang problem that becomes a vanish problem

[night delta]

shiv has a cooldown low enough that you'd almost always have one ready for the major cd moments

especially now with 2nd charge

[somber fractal]

what "feels" good is setting up a vanished garrote for a big deathmark

if i wanted to just slam cooldowns on cd id play outlaw

[sudden nacelle]

just to have your friendly neighbourhood soloq player clean the target... 😄

[balmy condor]

syncing is a gain now!

[night delta]

honestly I think that, exsang and/or fight timers aside, the difference is minute enough that you don't lose out that much for waiting like 5 seconds after DM comes off cd to sync with vanish

[balmy condor]

you just have to send the vanish in opener with deathmark

[night delta]

oh or that x)

[balmy condor]

and clip the opener garrote

[somber fractal]

is it? thats good to hear

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[balmy condor]

0.3%

[subtle tundra]

Smart guy

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

Delete outlaw

[jade abyss]

0,3% ? Thats huge !?

[balmy condor]

exsang is still just a full send though

idk

[jade abyss]

Big dick dps

[night delta]

if syncing was a 0.3% loss i'd still do it

[somber fractal]

so you clip your exsanged garrote?

[balmy condor]

yeah you do like

gar snd gar sbs mut rup deathmark vanish gar shiv mut env

or something along those lines

[night delta]

no opener exsang ?

[balmy condor]

well that's the catch

it's not a gain with exsang to sync

[subtle tundra]

[night delta]

yeah well, to me "full send" also means send at pull

[somber fractal]

do we still double rupture in opener with exsang?

[night delta]

is it not ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

So it's not a gain with real talents

[balmy condor]

ttb is 1.2% worse calm down

[subtle tundra]

I like exsang 🙂

[balmy condor]

play it in dungeons then idc

[night delta]

I don't mind exsang on its own, but the "send on CD" meta around it is full degen I hate it

[subtle tundra]

I do

[balmy condor]

good

[somber fractal]

i promise that not having to play with with exsang will gain most people more that 1.2%

[night delta]

If I can parse purple without exsang, this b*tch is out of my build

[balmy condor]

most likely yeh

[somber fractal]

youll be able to purple parse with a yolo bongcloud build if your kills are fast enough and you are a good player

[night delta]

That's the thing, you assume that :
1 - I'm a good player
2 - My raid mates are good players

[somber fractal]

a foolish mistake ive made

[balmy condor]

jokes on you

[fallen arch]

The worst is when 1 is true and 2 is false

[balmy condor]

my first assumption is that everyone is a braindead chimp

[night delta]

(japes aside, we do raid mythic but we're way out of top 100 league)

[night delta]

many a gquit happened this way

[vernal adder]

Im washed and guild is good

[jade abyss]

Im happy when my mates are able to run in the right direction 🫣 remember on our monk heal on jailor hc... he was talking all the time how easy that fight is and he was diying all the time in p1...

[vernal adder]

Easy fight if you dont have to do it

[jade abyss]

Of course

[fallen arch]

250 sire hc pulls banked here

[hollow river]

yes

[jade abyss]

Rip

I think 30 pulls or so i cant remember exactly but that 30 or 40 pulls was a shitfest

But i like the sire fight idk why

But i learn a valueble lesson from castle xD never raid in a Raid where some players or the lead thinks they are gods ^^"

[gusty breach]

sire kewl, generals uncool

[burnt latch]

Assa chat going at it with the heated debates today

Keep it up boys love the energy

[subtle tundra]

ok weed man

[oak sky]

herbie

[steel ridge]

than you should consider looking for a new raid

[burnt latch]

Issa herb u nerd man

[gusty breach]

weed is called herb no?

[timid cloud]

Haven’t seen much insane stuff at all.

I could just be so mentally ill, that all of the red flags just look like flags to me now.

[gusty breach]

sorry, i'm lost, what exactly are you refering to?

[timid cloud]

No, I will not be elaborating.

Jokes aside. Any discussion in here just seems like normal discussion, even if it’s something wild.

[sinful spear]

good morning guys, any sims for the stat weights for sin in DF? working on a bis list for dungeon- and raidgear. thank you

[balmy condor]

crit mast

but stat weights are stupid and bis lists are even stupider

so

do what you want

[cobalt hemlock]

low haste rogue

[balmy condor]

we tried to maintain a bis list in 9.0

and it was actually the most vile braindead stuff ever

30 different combinations within margin of error, another 50 within 0.2%

[cobalt hemlock]

only use that for wep and trinkets

[balmy condor]

and the people

oh god

the fucking people

everyone always like "bis list? bis? what bis?

[burnt latch]

But how will i inform my dad on what gear to chase so he can do max dps

[balmy condor]

and then they get a bis list

[steel ridge]

bis lists died with hit rating

[balmy condor]

and they're like "I can't get that, what's next best"

perish.

you are the absolute worst

[burnt latch]

Bis lists were already dead when hit rating was a thing, they just didnt know it

[balmy condor]

god I hate bis lists

[cobalt hemlock]

[burnt latch]

I love them

For no particular reason

Just a lover type of guy

[honest vessel]

this is hilarious

[balmy condor]

I have to make gear pages for wowhead guide

and I hate it

every time

it's so stupid

I just pick tier pieces and random gear

[solar tangle]

its old school xD

[balmy condor]

cause I could not fucking care

[solar tangle]

WHAT

[raven knoll]

wowhead not a good source of information got it.

[balmy condor]

fuck you

actually fuck you

[honest vessel]

poor whispyr

getting bullied

[burnt latch]

Whispyr not a lover type of person i see

[balmy condor]

if anything, me giving a random list of raid items is actually better for the masses than an actual bis list

at worst it's just as accurate

[cobalt hemlock]

bis lists dont matter dumb asses everyone who asks for them are full clearing mythic so you cant even get it

arent

[honest vessel]

just put the latest possible boss raid pieces

[balmy condor]

BiS is only BiS when you have all the items

[honest vessel]

incentivize more raiders

50% of player base mythic raids if you do this whispyr

[burnt latch]

I full clear mythic and demand a bis list

[balmy condor]

and when it's not all the items, there's no point

[honest vessel]

you have the power

[next edge]

Wait you're telling me WoWhead have a Guide Writter who doesn't only INVENT information but also is a SUB main?

smh

[solar tangle]

Every morning this year, another rogue has woken up thinking he has the trustworthy BIS Gear equipped.

[honest vessel]

ok blue name

[next edge]

Check yours

[royal lantern]

ofc its not, washed up sub main is writing it

[honest vessel]

and proud of it goddamn

[burnt latch]

Its like @humble prairie doing feral guides as a moonkin main

Outrageous

[balmy condor]

all the 6/10 heroic raiders looking at a bis list "OH NO I CANT PLAY THE GAME UNLESS I GET THE DARKSCALE RED DRAGONFLIGHT FIREBREATH POGGERS CHESTVEST"

[cobalt hemlock]

thats what im saying

[solar tangle]

HEROIC IS THE ONLY WAY

[burnt latch]

Are you indicating 6/10 heroic raiders are lesser people

As a 5/10 hc raider I find this very insulting as I look up to them

[honest vessel]

6 of every 10 heroic raiders are lesser people

[next edge]

Well the 6/10 heroic raiders are the same human beings who come here asking for best spec 3 months off release or ask for best race

[royal lantern]

you forgot changing race aswell, that 2dps that dwarf sims higher is the ONLY reason i cant get 7/10heroic

[next edge]

I was first type faster

[subtle tundra]

Yea but he has a goal in mind if you tell him that. He can strive to kill the mythic bosses. He doesn't know the gear from the raid is good unless you tell him

[honest vessel]

"is race changing worth it?"

[balmy condor]

playing my rotation well? nah

swapping 60 vers for 58 haste? Now that's where the damage is boys now we're gaming

[honest vessel]

bro some raiders are built different

[royal lantern]

im on phone, fk you, was allready typing

[honest vessel]

they'll raid for gear but spam lightning bolt and only lightning bolt for 30 seconds as enhance

[burnt latch]

Have u tried the 14,5% haste build with 600-700 mastery on beta? It fucking cranks dude

[royal lantern]

you know the rules, under 34%crit assa is unplayable

[subtle tundra]

Play 0 crit without seal fate I tell you man it makes mastery so good

[burnt latch]

Mastery does scale well, so this checks out

[subtle tundra]

You're welcome

Can I be a guide writer

😊

[burnt latch]

Yes welcome

[honest vessel]

i'll read ur guide

[burnt latch]

U start now

[honest vessel]

just dont make it longer than 100 characters

[next edge]

If we go haste doesn't bleeds haste faster? So why do we care about other stats???????

the faster boss bleeds the faster dies

so just go full haste

[subtle tundra]

The government lies to you

[burnt latch]

U can only have 60 characters on one account anyways

[honest vessel]

oh shit

u got me there

[next edge]

Make 60 characters

that are rogue

delete the account

[humble prairie]

guardian

[burnt latch]

Sorry

[honest vessel]

i remember the legion brewmaster icyveins guide being written by a frost mage 🙂

he told me to stack haste and i listened

never again

[subtle tundra]

I want to play feral awoooo

[burnt latch]

awoooooooooo rawr meow

Feral now is like a well designed assa rogue

[next edge]

My condolences

[royal lantern]

what a cursed day to have eyes

[burnt latch]

Its a actually sad

State of things

[next edge]

It's even better

because the feral form t-mogs

[honest vessel]

feral deserves a chance to be fun and cool c:

[next edge]

are fucking insane

[burnt latch]

Feral is everything assa hopes to be

[subtle tundra]

Feral is always fun cause cat

🥺

[honest vessel]

no u

[next edge]

Feral is always shit because balance community exists

[burnt latch]

SL feral wasnt fun only cute

Prrrrrr

[next edge]

They would never let a Feral do more dps tha na Balance

[cobalt hemlock]

feral did decent single target

[subtle tundra]

I always feel good when I play feral

For no reason

[next edge]

because you're sick Varas

[honest vessel]

because snapshotting is fun!

[solar tangle]

Ferals are better because they have a viable BIS List.

[subtle tundra]

Umm it's called a disease

[cobalt hemlock]

varas secret furry

[next edge]

This

[subtle tundra]

I'm used to being around a furry

[balmy condor]

community in a nutshell from the perspective of an information haver:

"what's best"
that's complicated, here's a thing
"oh that's way too long I'm not reading that"

"bis list"
well it's not entirely accurate and you shouldn't really follow it, I'm telling you this because I want you to do the best you can
"okay but bis list?"
don't.
"but I want it"

"stats?"
well you can top gear yourself, that would be the best, they change constantly. In general crit mast though
"OKAY BUT IM AT 31.345908345/pi*2% DOESNT THAT MEAN DR AND BAD AND NO?"
just top gear man
"I'm just asking whats best"

[humble prairie]

don't be, i get to play the most fun pvp spec in the game

[next edge]

You mean that if he uses a blade he's outlaw? becaus ehe would be a blade furry

[honest vessel]

yellow name!!!!!

[cobalt hemlock]

definitely that

[next edge]

Are tanks considered as DPS on Solo Shuffle?

oh nonono

[humble prairie]

they were counted as healers

from rset they'll be dps

[balmy condor]

it's always my favorite when someone asks a really nuanced question, or a question they think is really easy but isn't a yes/no

and then I have to like either pull a copypasta out of my ass

or link to something that already exists

and that they won't read

or a pin

that's existed

and no one cared to click

[next edge]

Or they wil get offended

if you tell them

that question is already asked 9000 times and answered 9000 times on pins

[balmy condor]

I had someone ask me in DM's if I had a m+ build for prepatch

and I linked him the wowhead talent page

[subtle tundra]

You should have called him a loser

[cobalt hemlock]

true

[balmy condor]

and he called me a slur for insulting his intelligence linking a guide for that question

[subtle tundra]

Did he call you an outlaw player

[cobalt hemlock]

mentaly ill

[honest vessel]

holy shit what a leap

[balmy condor]

no he called me a r* f*

:)

[honest vessel]

that sucks so bad

[subtle tundra]

Rat face

😔

[balmy condor]

yeah

rat face

that's the one

[next edge]

They could call you assa main

that would be worse

[honest vessel]

real feral

[shy pecan]

That's fucked up

[honest vessel]

oh no

it wasnt

reddit frequenter

was it

oh god

[royal lantern]

sup

[timid cloud]

No fucking shot.

[balmy condor]

people are wildin in dm's man

[timid cloud]

Because you linked the mans the guide?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I just send you pictures of my buttcheeks.

[burnt latch]

The amount of unsolicited dps pics i get in my dms is insane

[subtle tundra]

😴

[timid cloud]

Hey bro, does my ass look good in this?

[willow rapids]

Wait, you sent him the guide you wrote and he got mad? 🤣

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

yes

[timid cloud]

Get it? My ass? Because I’m playing Sin Rogue?

[burnt latch]

[timid cloud]

I’ll see myself out.

[next edge]

[willow rapids]

Maybe he was hoping for the super secret guide only you use and only give to DMs

[balmy condor]

it's like people think wowhead guides are a lower quality or something

[timid cloud]

Lamb has gone to the dark side, aka Mustard

[balmy condor]

I get paid to write a guide so I put bad info into it

and keep the good info for the pins

[willow rapids]

Knew it!

[balmy condor]

that I don't get paid for

and have bad formatting

[next edge]

I just wanted anothe rcolour 😛

[timid cloud]

It’s just ghost wrote for you.

[burnt latch]

Tbf i put in more effort in my past time hobbies than my job which i get paid for so, the logic kinda checks out tbh

[next edge]

As a teacher I get paid to spread missinformatino too

I don't think thats weird Whispyr

[balmy condor]

the #assassination-faq is actually completely different from the stuff I write in the wowhead guide, and the method guide is different again

[night delta]

so now you can get paid again for writing an "updated" guide

[balmy condor]

I come up with 3 different ways to spread misinformation

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[willow rapids]

Whispyr is actually trying to get ppl to fight over what the best build is, based on which they read

[timid cloud]

You have no idea why or what you’re talking about, spending 13 hours simming 1% stat changes on Assassination Rogue, ripping out your hair, talking about Rogue for 3 hours at a time with other Rogues.

I mean, for god sake, you even used MS PAINT to show us our rotation!

[balmy condor]

and in order to find the correct guide, you have to sub to my twitch, patreon, onlyfans, premium snapchat, and my masterclass featuring neil degrasse tyson

in that order

[honest vessel]

wait whats ur of i couldnt find it?

[night delta]

And piece together info dispersed through them with a secret code

[balmy condor]

of.com/BigToeDaddy

[honest vessel]

oh of course

because of your big toe

classic

[cobalt hemlock]

i hope thats made up

send him to random of page

[balmy condor]

yeah my 10 jimmy deans

[night delta]

100% guarantee that if it didn't exist yet, it's gonna exist soon

[cobalt hemlock]

they gonna have big shoes to fill

[timid cloud]

[cobalt hemlock]

go to bed 3:46

[timid cloud]

I still have 8 keys to do.

[cobalt hemlock]

dont you have work or something

[timid cloud]

Ya boy is free.

[cobalt hemlock]

neet life best life

[timid cloud]

No, I just don’t have work today.

[cobalt hemlock]

ya thats cool

[timid cloud]

Even if I did, you bet your sweet bippy I only need 1 hour of sleep, 1 iced chai tea latte, & a little bit of meth to continue my day.

[cobalt hemlock]

meth?

[timid cloud]

Not a knower.

[cobalt hemlock]

[uncut echo]

Adderall is diet meth

Also gm boys

[plain fiber]

https://i.imgur.com/gJ39qFl.jpeg what is the rotation for this spec?

[steel ridge]

sepsis 👀

in the big AoE spec

[plain fiber]

is that other option an aoe bleed?

[steel ridge]

kind of

[plain fiber]

i just found it so weird to use because the dot goes away so fast

[steel ridge]

the dot is infinite

[plain fiber]

wtf

[steel ridge]

it may bug out if you are using necrolord covenant tho

which you shouldnt do

[plain fiber]

BUT OTHER then thati should keep rupture and garrote on + that bleed

thats it?

env envenom to keep my slice up

[subtle tundra]

No ss monka

[uncut echo]

I'm with Varas

No ss for aoe? Oof

[plain fiber]

i thought it was single target

[uncut echo]

Read shrouded

Then read carnage

[raven knoll]

Then read scent

[uncut echo]

their brain rn

[steel ridge]

i dont think you can get both SBS and

SS at 60

with Carnage

[raven knoll]

That may be tru

[copper hazel]

yeh you would need to drop some stuff

but its worth to just try it out, see how it feels for now

getting used to throwing up the bleeds from stealth, spreading them, etc

[spice spire]

But at 70

[copper hazel]

at 70 we respec to OL!

[steel ridge]

its clearly a prepatch angle

carnage feels shit without poison bomb

"ok i have dots up on everything, now what"

[spice spire]

Cursed tech

[copper hazel]

[uncut echo]

Playing sin in prepatch

LMao

[steel ridge]

whats wrong?

sin is fun in prepatch

[uncut echo]

Not it keys lmao

[steel ridge]

yes it is, even in keys

[uncut echo]

That's quite literally the definition of subjective

Btw

[steel ridge]

so you subjectively laughed at everyone playing sin in prepatch, is that your thing?

[uncut echo]

No I didn't subjectively laugh

[cobalt hemlock]

chill brother

[uncut echo]

I did laugh

[next edge]

Why would you care what other people do

[uncut echo]

It's a fucking meme, calm down

[junior rampart]

It's fun in keys. But should have had PB too with IC. Aoe would have been much higher in the IC window with Envenom spam.

[cobalt hemlock]

i think he just tried saying its dog garbage which it is and most people dont enjoy playing bad spec for m+

[next edge]

Sin is a meme

[fallen arch]

It is fun to play in keys

If u ask ne

Me*

[next edge]

Sin is really fun

To play

[fallen arch]

Numbers just not good

[uncut echo]

Let me

Restructure my first comment

[next edge]

No

[fallen arch]

But most people base fun on what they see on details

[next edge]

Stuck to it

Be a chad

[next edge]

Guardian Druid doing 300-400k dps in pulls imagine care about dmg

[fallen arch]

Idk what you mean by that

[uncut echo]

I turn details off uwu

[steel ridge]

imagine playing outlaw in +15 keys because "it does more damage"

[cobalt hemlock]

well thats the fun part who cares how you play if you still bottom dps

[fallen arch]

Nobody cares anyway

Just you

Feeling good or bad

[steel ridge]

yesterday i saw a moonkin nuke the second boss in iron docks with 100k end of fight dps

i literally stuttered

[fallen arch]

Which is cool to see, good for him

[steel ridge]

now you tell me anything matters xD

[cobalt hemlock]

only person that matters

[next edge]

That dmg means nothing and in prepatch fun>dmg because everything is broken anyways

[uncut echo]

^

[fallen arch]

Ye so why are we even discussing

[steel ridge]

we arent discussing, i just asked why he/she/it would degrade someone for playing sin in prepatch

[next edge]

Because we are bored

[uncut echo]

Degrade?

Grow up

[fallen arch]

We need to discuss how to eradicate exsang

[uncut echo]

Appreciate the pronoun dispersion tho

[subtle tundra]

Not really

Ct cranks

So what's the subject at hand

So I can give my correct opinion

[uncut echo]

Based

For what it's worth. I wasn't trying to @ anyone for playing Sin

I'm merely goofing off at the expense of the spec not numerically performing well

[subtle tundra]

You can laugh at me and my Chad prepatch build

[uncut echo]

Varas I could never laugh at you bb

[subtle tundra]

I don't laugh at prepatch players, I laugh at prepatch players that look at the numbers

[steel ridge]

this

[uncut echo]

Prepatch players that look at numbers

Are the ones that kick sin rogues from keys

[next edge]

Tbh I think he/she/it/helicopter wasn't degrading no one

[steel ridge]

that literally happened to me yesterday

[spice spire]

I am

[uncut echo]

Damn, +1 for a helicopter joke

Haven't heard that since 2008

[next edge]

Welcome to Internet

:

[subtle tundra]

Hopefully I go out drinking tonight

[steel ridge]

you can have drinking at home

[next edge]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

God bless you sir

That’s an adorable dude

[uncut echo]

Y'all could just use she, or they

Or fuck it

Keep adding more shit on

Let's get creative

[spice spire]

Nahri

[empty hinge]

@spice spire show dog

[limber lion]

[uncut echo]

Cev with Mjolnir

[steel ridge]

its the internet, you can safely assume 90% of the people are a dude

[uncut echo]

Nah I know you're 200% right

[subtle tundra]

Agggg I want a dog

[copper hazel]

thats one good boi doing a relax

[spice spire]

What do you think I am, woof woof mister varas

[subtle tundra]

Wood man

[spice spire]

Excellent puppy

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[uncut echo]

That's Link

[spice spire]

Woof

[uncut echo]

🥰

[next edge]

Holy

[spice spire]

Damn

[next edge]

So adorable

[steel ridge]

my dog is watching the door, like a proper dog

[uncut echo]

AS THEY SHOULD

STAND GUARD

[subtle tundra]

Literally my dream future is to have a dog

That's it

[spice spire]

It’s a good dream

[steel ridge]

its the only dream

[next edge]

As long as you don't pay for it im happy

[uncut echo]

It's a good dream

Until you have to say goodbye

[next edge]

I have buried 3 kitten already

[fringe yoke]

meet peach xD

[next edge]

But its life

[subtle tundra]

I had a dog for 6 months and I loved him so much(we couldn't keep him cause he was too big and didn't have the space for him)

[uncut echo]

4 cats here, it's just incredibly hard

[steel ridge]

then you just remember that you were there for his entire life

[next edge]

Im happy knowing I can keep saving some lifes

[uncut echo]

No 100%, if you made their entire life happy it was worth it

It just hurts to think about

[spice spire]

Love peach

[steel ridge]

our dog is 8 years old and has been in this house his entire life

he would die defending the door

[next edge]

I was lucky my kittens died sleepinh

[steel ridge]

proper hodor

[uncut echo]

Gimme 5 to sob in the bathroom while y'all change the subject for me

[next edge]

So it was much better to grief them

As I knew they didn't suffer

[spice spire]

I have one kitten and I wish he was not a terrorist

[subtle tundra]

You do not negotiate with terrorists

[copper hazel]

is the kittens favourite hobby making your dog go nutttts

[spice spire]

Yes

[copper hazel]

hehehe

[spice spire]

They want to play together but are scared of each other, just like kingsbane and DTB (we brought it back )

[copper hazel]

they dont have quite enough points to allocate into each others trees to work together

[uncut echo]

Ok I'm back

Rejuvinated

[next edge]

Mine is already starting the devil mode where she is sleeping for 20h and then have 10 mins of absolute madness

But then she looks at you

And it's like

Fuck i cant get angry at u

[uncut echo]

Have sims worked out what stats we'll probably shoot for in df?

[spice spire]

Crit mast

[uncut echo]

I'd assume some amount of crit for dashing, and obv haste

Oh?

??????

No haste?

[subtle tundra]

You play exsang

[spice spire]

We’ve a lot of energy regen points now

[subtle tundra]

And have 58 apm

[steel ridge]

its kinda good that you dont run haste on any of the 3 specs

which makes gearing alot easier

[uncut echo]

Valid criticism

[spice spire]

Wait until Cev finds the deep haste tech

[uncut echo]

Deep haste

[steel ridge]

stacking crit mastery versa and just be golden

[uncut echo]

I guess I havent fucked with tea

[subtle tundra]

Mastery gaming

[uncut echo]

Mastery bis stat

[spice spire]

The prophet don’t miss

Rip oshosi

[uncut echo]

I wonder how hard envenoms gonna crank with amp

How fucking based would it be if amp % scaled off mastery too

[subtle tundra]

In a world where assa does dps

[spice spire]

It’s November you can’t say things like envenom cranking

Gonna make me act up homie on god

[uncut echo]

I don't suffer from this weakness

[spice spire]

Dh main

Unreal

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHA

Nah my main is always rogue, but I've decided DH tank for keys

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[spice spire]

Didn’t I literally meme you about this yesterday?

[subtle tundra]

Assa in keys easy choice

[spice spire]

Based

(On stupidity)

(I’ll be right there with you mister varas)

[uncut echo]

My RL collared me to tanking :<

[subtle tundra]

I wonder if there are any good m+ pushers on draenor

So I can go for realm first 20 on assa

[uncut echo]

I'll be repping realm 1 zuljin sin keys

[subtle tundra]

BRB leveling a rogue on a dead realm

[uncut echo]

Plug that for content

Ez twitch partner

[royal lantern]

dont need a dead realm, nobody is gonna play assa anyway

[subtle tundra]

Maybe if I streamed more often 😭

[uncut echo]

Gm Tryan 🥰

[subtle tundra]

Well realm first doesn't look at specs

[royal lantern]

its 1pm for me

[subtle tundra]

Achievement

[uncut echo]

It's ALWAYS A GM WHEN YOU GREET THE HOMIES ON FIRST MESSAGE IN #assassination

[steel ridge]

yeah, rn you are like top20 world with 2530 rio

[subtle tundra]

Idk if I said it today

Can't eemember

Delete outlaw

[uncut echo]

Based

[steel ridge]

highest rio assa is 2813 😄

[uncut echo]

LMAO

[cobalt hemlock]

we down bad

[subtle tundra]

I will bring assa to the top in df dw

A 1 man mission

[cobalt hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

🫡

[uncut echo]

I'm with you Varas

Comrades in poisoned arms

[limber lion]

Have fun

[subtle tundra]

🫄

[uncut echo]

Ayo?

[subtle tundra]

Carrying the burden

[uncut echo]

LMAO

[spice spire]

Cev a feral main now

[subtle tundra]

Realz knows the struggle assa has and will fix it I believe

[limber lion]

I never played Assa in m+ anyways

[spice spire]

I know you didn’t

[limber lion]

Or m+ at all

[cobalt hemlock]

D:

[spice spire]

Raider main

[limber lion]

M+ can suck my donkey nuts

and in the raid I play assa

[spice spire]

But can i?

[uncut echo]

What a deep fried take

[subtle tundra]

Actually the best content In any mmo

[cobalt hemlock]

doesnt need gear for m+ just reclear mythic HOLY GIGACHAD

[spice spire]

Demon hunter calling a take deep fried

[uncut echo]

Fax man

M+ is the only reason I still play this dogass mmo

[limber lion]

M+ the best content in any mmo? you've lost it

[uncut echo]

It's mythic raiding with 5 idiots, not 20

[spice spire]

It’s almost as if fun is subjective

[limber lion]

except it's not

[cobalt hemlock]

only wow has m+ so

[steel ridge]

m+ is some pretty good content tho

[uncut echo]

Way easier on timing restraints

[limber lion]

I can see the appeal in m+ and why you would want to play it

But saying that it's the best thing in the entire mmorpg genre

eh

[cobalt hemlock]

raiding is way better than m+

[uncut echo]

Debatable as fuck

[limber lion]

Yeh

[cobalt hemlock]

true

[jade abyss]

The best things in mmo are the awesome story

[uncut echo]

But again, what quackers said

[limber lion]

But personally I'd much rather do something else than the same 8 dungeons over and over and over

[uncut echo]

You'd do 1 raid

[steel ridge]

read every quest text challenge for DF?

[limber lion]

No

[uncut echo]

Over and over

[limber lion]

I never said that

[uncut echo]

Ah

Mb

Take a break?

[limber lion]

I don't think raiding IS THE BEST THING IN THE ENTIRE MMO GENRE

[spice spire]

The real content is the friends we made along the way

[limber lion]

and neither is m+

or anything else wow offers unfortunately

[royal lantern]

til: im almost in the top20 with my 2300

[uncut echo]

You're right

[limber lion]

There's hundreds of games that do a lot of things better

[uncut echo]

It's fishing in Catherby in osrs

Netflix on

🥰🥰🥰

[jade abyss]

The best thing in wow is this discord

[limber lion]

I personally think that ArcheAge is the perfect game, insane class synergy, guild vs guild pvp, open world pvp, a lot of pve elements

but it's p2w as shit so it died instantly

Very unfortunate

[uncut echo]

Old school runescape is my escapeism

[cobalt hemlock]

takes too much time investing yourself to multyple mmos

[subtle tundra]

I don't like pvp so any game that has important pvp elements is a pass

[uncut echo]

Osrs is a second monitor game

[limber lion]

You probs just haven't experienced good, fun and engaging pvp

[uncut echo]

I was runecrafting while doing 28s

[limber lion]

I despise WoW pvp

WoW pvp is the worst kind of pvp personally

I hate it

Guild Wars 2 has better pvp than WOW

[subtle tundra]

I'll have you know I was a master at minecraft hunger games

In my youth

[limber lion]

yeah that explains it

[cobalt hemlock]

wow pvp is extremely confusing for someone who doesnt know whats happening which is me

[limber lion]

point stands

[uncut echo]

What was that massive 3 faction shooter mmo on steam, space / advanced tech, huge world

Know what I'm talking about?

Big fucking faction wars all the time

PLANETSIDE

[cobalt hemlock]

i did have fun playing ret tho just go in do your oneshot combo win or lose mostly

[uncut echo]

S3 sin rogue best pvp experience of my life

[steel ridge]

sepsis oneshots

[uncut echo]

Ever check out planetside back in the day?

[uncut echo]

Eziest 1800 of my life

[cobalt hemlock]

rogue in pvp is just idk too hard for me i get overwhelmed and panic ret is straight forward enough

[uncut echo]

I agree

[subtle tundra]

Well reason I don't enjoy wow pvp is the fact that I have to find some random to play with

[steel ridge]

had one of our raid healers engage me in a duel when anduin bugged out... he didnt know about sepsis so he just exploded and was pretty speechless

[limber lion]

I remember going to to bed for 2 hours and then waking up in the middle of the night to rush a boss with the guild and the other big guild in the server would do the same and we would have an all-out war for the boss. AA literally the perfect game, designed for super degens who do nothing else but play the game 24/7 though

[cobalt hemlock]

but also the solo shufle could make it more fun

[steel ridge]

new soloQ got you covered :>

[limber lion]

I played ArcheAge 15+ hours a day..

Good stuff

[uncut echo]

Healthy

But sounds super fun

[subtle tundra]

Actually most fun I had in pvp was bfa s2 with feral

Or s3?

[limber lion]

it's just getting worse and worse

From minecraft to bfa pvp

[cobalt hemlock]

maybe ashes would be closest to that in modern times?

[limber lion]

Exactly. The creator of Ashes of Creation says that he takes the biggest inspirations from ArcheAge and Lineage 2.

I'll be rooting for AoC's success. Hopefully they do it well.

[cobalt hemlock]

me too we need good competition

[limber lion]

At least their team is super passionate about it and have enough money and time to do it right.

I hope they just do enough testing and stuff before actually releasing it

[next edge]

I remember castle sieges in L2

[limber lion]

They're gonna have a shit ton of content, but if a game is riddled with bugs it's just a massive killer

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah dont worry thats years

[next edge]

Probably the best times of my life

[limber lion]

Yeh, AoC will be the perfect game. Can't wait.

[cobalt hemlock]

riot mmo waiting room

[jade abyss]

Best pvp for me is counter strike 🫣

[next edge]

I was a Cleric back in L2

And a Spellsinger

People begging for buffs before every fight

I was rich

[cobalt hemlock]

i love and hate league of legends truly a game with highest highs and also lowest lows

[subtle tundra]

i also fking hate in pvp cause its so random what im up against. is this guy some pisser that can barely play or this absolute unit with 10k hours

highest rank i've been in any pvp game was diamond in league. i quit playing after

[night delta]

rockin' some splatoon 3 atm for my pvp fix

[cobalt hemlock]

i got only plat highest i gotten ever is the mental cost worth to try?

why am i asking its obv no

[subtle tundra]

idk just nunu jungle and fuck around

thats how i got it

[cobalt hemlock]

i played zac and trundle

[subtle tundra]

like the season before i "grinded" with a friend until plat, solo queue'd in preseason got diamond and then i got diamond in 20-30 games in the next season and stopped playing

[cobalt hemlock]

and when i win 10 games i get +12 -23

[subtle tundra]

the reason i like m+ is cause i play with friends and the only variable is how good we are

sometimes we play worse sometimes better

[limber lion]

League is so fucking dogshit man

[subtle tundra]

im not gonna time a key cause the mobs didnt cast or inted

[cobalt hemlock]

i cant find a group guild is always full with 5 or they are playing

arent

[limber lion]

It used to be such a good game the first 2-4 years, but then it just changed to being so toxic 24/7

Like the first few years people were just playing the game, having fun, learning the game

Focusing on themselves

[cobalt hemlock]

if toxicity was the games only problem it would be amazing sadly

[limber lion]

Then a few years later anytime someone moves weird, they start getting spam-pinged and someone spams the chat with insults

[subtle tundra]

i feel like the only non-toxic pvp competitive game is actually csgo cause the norm is to be toxic so its not toxic anymore + nobody cares about ranks, literally noone

[limber lion]

The people and the toxicity in the game is what eats it up entirely for me

[next edge]

League is just fun if you play with 4 more friends

Then it's rly good