assassination

[subtle tundra]

I don't want to play exsang 😭

[strange python]

Are you going to segment it again? Because that doesn't change the issue.

[timid cloud]

For arguments sake. Do both.

[uncut echo]

This shit is fucking cringe

[marble hemlock]

Outlaw really demolishing in TEP, not even damage to bosses, right?
http://puu.sh/Jqryh/7f0669a784.png

[strange python]

You still broke the damn discords rules to personally insult me for disagreeing with you. And don't pretend for half a second like you wouldn't have used your power to mute me if I did the same to you.

[uncut echo]

Cite his insult, show us all

[timid cloud]

[next edge]

He called me pedantic before but that doesn't count

I guess

[trim raptor]

You have yet to post a single piece of evidence to claim outlaw was the better spec in bfa. All youve been doing is disagreeing with seli the whole time

[strange python]

Did you miss the message where he straight up said "no offense but" and proceeded to very obviously imply I'm incompetent?

[uncut echo]

I just said cite it homie

[strange python]

i didnt get that implication

[subtle tundra]

Hey I am incompetent too

[uncut echo]

Show us all again

[strange python]

You literally reacted to it.

[uncut echo]

This is a 300+ message chain

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, I'm known for muting people I disagree with the moment I don't like their arguments

[uncut echo]

<@&224906552333697025> in case y'all wanna chime in

This shit is a fucking joke

[empty hinge]

[strange python]

Being snarky doesn't change that you personally insulted someone for disagreeing with you, and that shit would never stand from a user whose name isnt green.

[slim sable]

he did the forbidden thing

[next edge]

He called me pedantic and muted me for disagreeing and now he gets victim role

[uncut echo]

CITE THE INSULT BUD

SHOW US ALL

[subtle tundra]

Grow up

[stuck knoll]

What is happening

I just woke up

[empty hinge]

Morning

[strange python]

scroll up 300~ messages

[timid cloud]

Hey, most active this chat has been for a month or so.

[marble hemlock]

I didn't personally insult you. I called into question your ability to apply data to a specific situation. I did so based on information I gathered from having a conversation with you for 15 minutes. It's all just data analysis.

[regal sable]

@marble hemlock here are some overall damage logs from 8.0, specifically mythic ghuun, showing outlaw clearly ahead

[royal lantern]

seli doing mod abuse(green names cant even bann people to my knowledge )

[uncut echo]

Mod abuse btw

[marble hemlock]

I can't kick or ban people, no. I can mute them, though.

[strange python]

There's no world where you didn't think directly implying I'm incompetent at the very thing I just told you that I do for a living wasn't a personal insult.

Come on, don't insult someone then pretend you didn't.

[marble hemlock]

Why did you even bring it up? Does it have any relevance to the topic, beyond you trying to flex?

[uncut echo]

You appear that way after how fast you melted down against someone you're arguing with

[next edge]

[timid cloud]

True, he muted me & banned me the other day for saying the word ||scaling|| . (For legal purposes, this is a joke.)

[marble hemlock]

Or is "I do this for a living" suddenly an argument that somehow proves your data correct?

[strange python]

Other users kept insinuating I had no idea what I was saying

[proper summit]

Oh wow "outlaw was the better raiding spec in BFA" is really not a take I expected anyone to seriously defend. Kudos for trying

[subtle tundra]

I miss the 34 crit era

[next edge]

You don't

[marble hemlock]

That wasn't due to what I wrote, but due to what you've been writing for 20 minutes though.

[stuck knoll]

Okay let's just chill

[strange python]

And my comments stand, you can't seriously think you don't automatically have users in this channel behind you just because they're familiar with you

[stuck knoll]

Nothing is being gained from this

Also

[marble hemlock]

Or maybe people sided with me because they considered my arguments to have more merit than yours. Have you even considered that option?

[proper summit]

But in this case you're just wrong and Seli is right

[stuck knoll]

Okay lemme put it this way

[proper summit]

Outlaw being better in BFA raids is a hilariously uninformed opinion

[trim raptor]

Assassination was the superior spec in raid. You dont have to be a seli fan to know that

[stuck knoll]

From someone who otp'd as outlaw of BFA through CE content

[strange python]

I'm really not. He disagreed on which data set was more impactful. He's welcome to that opinion. I'm welcome to mine. The data tells different stories depending on what you look at.

[stuck knoll]

At no point was I playing the best spec

Now

[full rampart]

Consider this statistic, if multiple people are saying your wrong and laughing at you. Do you think there might be a reason for that?

[twilit python]

guys outlaw was better in raid all the best rogues in the world were just wrong xd

[stuck knoll]

Being wrong isn't a reason to be rude

[slim sable]

now it it ronkles vs sirstabs

lets go

[oblique wasp]

damn this shit is thicker than bowl of oatmeal

[strange python]

No. Ad populum

[stuck knoll]

But it's also annoying when someone keeps saying you're wrong for some niche reason or not

[marble hemlock]

If anybody knows someone who's really good at statistical and data analysis, we could ask them to read this conversation and make an assessment.

[stuck knoll]

I'm about to slow mode the fucking channel

[regal sable]

ay ay you heard the orange name
just because you're wrong doesnt mean you can be rude too @strange python

[marble hemlock]

Anyway, I'm done.

[stuck knoll]

STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS NOTHING CAN BE GAINED IF YOU WANNA BELIEVE OUTLAW WAS META IN BFA BE MY GUESR

[subtle tundra]

Hi done

[marble hemlock]

Hi Varas

[strange python]

All I did was say I disagreed with his data selection, he's the one who flouted the rules to personally insult someone for disagreeing.

[marble hemlock]

I didn't react earlier, but you truly are incompetent btw.

[timid cloud]

Just in time for Thanksgiving.

[oblique wasp]

guys can we stop this bullshit? and keep CIVILITY?

[uncut echo]

Personal insult

Lmfao

[marble hemlock]

I saw your DF talent trees varas

You should be ashamaed

[chrome night]

you are doing caps abuse on top of your orange privilege

[marble hemlock]

He's Irish, he has orange privilege all over himself

[regal sable]

please stop typing if you dont have a red name i feel intimidated

[uncut echo]

YELLOW BAD

AHHH

[regal sable]

objectively

i mean contextually based on the data ofcourse

sorry my bad

[uncut echo]

S H E E E E E S H

[timid cloud]

[stuck knoll]

Next person who mentions data or continues to talk about this is gonna get muted for 2 days

:)

[regal sable]

ronkles, you're a mod of the discord right?

[white seal]

🇩

[regal sable]

you can like, change channel names and stuff

[uncut echo]

Ty for shutting this down Ronkles, based and pog pilled moderation

[marble hemlock]

What's the name of the android crew member in Star Trek?

[stuck knoll]

Yeah I can

[full rampart]

Information

[stuck knoll]

Nerd cuz who like Star Trek

[oblique wasp]

I think it's our rogue nature to turn every discussion into heated barfight with knifes and dirty tricks 😄

[regal sable]

realz was here the other day and he mentioned this

[oblique wasp]

Thanks Ronkles

[marble hemlock]

Based people do

You wouldn't understand

[timid cloud]

God speed, Gentlemen. See you in 2 days. Consider this my vacation.

[stuck knoll]

Gonna have to speak to him about this

[regal sable]

now i dont wanna make you do all the work as a mod, so ive come up with some drafts to maybe help

[stuck knoll]

Absolute travesty

[timid cloud]

🫡

[stuck knoll]

What would you expect from me

[marble hemlock]

Just google it and write it here

(His name is Data, I just wanted someone to write it and get timed out )

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

[night delta]

gets timed out

or how to set up a trap an fall feet first in it yourself

[regal sable]

a part of me really wanted to reply to ronkles message with "about this"

[uncut echo]

I'm triggered

[regal sable]

hi triggered

im eve

[marble hemlock]

And nothing of value would be lost

[regal sable]

muted = no nova pics

:(

[empty hinge]

We want nova pics

[marble hemlock]

Haven't posted one in over 2 days

Anyway, this is veering into offtopic territory

[uncut echo]

Oh, that's what we're worried about? Going off topic?

[white temple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[lament aurora]

Damn I missed the tea

[woeful wigeon]

Still funny they buff stuff and not fixing there shit that aint working like duskwalker and other stuff its like they give a fack about prepatch testing another unfinshed release inc i fell it boys

[white temple]

huh

not sure if trolling

[royal lantern]

fixing dustwalker is really really low priority mate

[faint harness]

no they don't care about prepatch dps

[woeful wigeon]

still they can fix the poisson that aplly dubbel when using deathmark

nope notting

instead they nerf and buff other classes 24/7 whole beta sin rogue was trash can

atleast i was hoping it wud have been fixed by now

[raven knoll]

cheche

[uncut echo]

Wud have

[royal lantern]

with Marked for death skilled, do we garrote garrote mut rupture in the opener for the longer improved garrote timer?

[south sapphire]

You dont

[fallen arch]

Snd?

[dark token]

Ye we need to giga buff the other warlock specs cause it's not top 5 dps even tho aff is stupid op. All warlocks need to be top 5

Sin doing really bad? Ok you can get 3% buff

https://tenor.com/view/here-bitch-donald-duck-scrooge-dont-leave-gif-15157676

[royal lantern]

dude, its more of an "demo lock talents actually need to do something" change

i hate warlock probably more then most other people lol

[dark token]

Demo was in a fine spot atm

[royal lantern]

and still, demo had talents that did not do much

and they got buffed

[shrewd night]

Lets just say, be happy Ronkles took care of this while I was in a meeting He's a big softie in comparison.

[dark token]

That was some weird stuff

[royal lantern]

the biggest change nobody talks about cus they are stupid dps brains that only see % numbers

is the disc priest change btw

evangelism from 1,5m to 3min is absolute insanity

[dark token]

I skip past all healed notes

Sorry not sorry

Never gonna play one and it doesn't matter for my raid spot

[royal lantern]

lets just say

that change gives disc a really really really big hit

cus it removes 1 of its biggest strenghts it had over other healers/holy

[strange python]

disc priest channel is on watch

[royal lantern]

tbf

they are like fire mage

[jolly turtle]

does this get fixed with the reset?

[thorn fjord]

Prob not

[royal lantern]

if the "always #1 spec" is not always #1 and there is a CHANCE they need to play the other specs of their class, they riot

[oblique wasp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[royal lantern]

nothing said about it yet

[jolly turtle]

sadge

just gna go outlaw then again F

[thorn fjord]

or use dust

[royal lantern]

or just use any other legendary

its prepatch mate

[jolly turtle]

i suck at rogue, im just a fotm player so i cba learning

[royal lantern]

then why do you play ROGUE

lmao

go warlock or mage

[thorn fjord]

^^^^^

[royal lantern]

way way WAY higher chances to be strong in all forms of content

[thorn fjord]

there is only 1 fotmrogue

[jolly turtle]

i havent really played anything yet, and i feel like its hard to "learn" if the playstyle changes instantly after the 28th

[royal lantern]

thats why i dont fking "learn" the prepatch playstyle

[jolly turtle]

only played outlaw this patch tho, since it looked abit superior

[royal lantern]

its pointless

[thorn fjord]

Yeah playstyles right now are goofy and wont transition in to DF

So just have fun

[royal lantern]

craft a legendary to do 2%more dmg during prepatch

and still do 40%less dmg then everyone else

#prepatch

[thorn fjord]

Running sin tonight.. did pirate last week

time to feel the burn

[misty holly]

Maybe they will roll the fix in with the Evoker patch on the 15th.

[royal lantern]

based

playing all specs

[thorn fjord]

i wouldnt hold your breath on that one

[jolly turtle]

hopium

[thorn fjord]

RC is still breaking unity and i dont see that getting fixed lol

[royal lantern]

there is a chance they just dont fix it at all cus it doesnt matter

[misty holly]

Yeah probably forget it and wait till the hotfixes on the 22nd

[jolly turtle]

to start up learning assa, i still dont know what to craft of leggo since duskwalkers is bugged

[thorn fjord]

Dust

Er

Deathly****

[royal lantern]

why do you need a legendary to learn assa

when they are not a thing in DF

[jolly turtle]

i dont

[thorn fjord]

Just craft Deathly shadows and you'll be fine

[jolly turtle]

but wanna compare myself to others, and the damage numbers etc

and just see if im inting or not

[uncut echo]

sorry to @ you all. It just got super ridiculous for no reason.

[shrewd night]

Nah, that was perfect

We love it.

You did good

[uncut echo]

H-headpats?

What's this talk I hear about amp poison being good With DTB? Is it changed from the dogshit that it was before?

[spice spire]

It was already okay with DTB, just was bad because of mastery bug. Assuming that + buff it’s not trolling

[muted gyro]

Hey folks, does Shiv amplify the DR from atrophic poison as well?

[vapid sierra]

is sin st better than outlaws now?

[subtle tundra]

[keen aurora]

Running the carnage M+ tree is anyone else just constantly super energy starved?

Guess I could try going into tea

But then lose stratagem?

[weak horizon]

Yep me too

It's awful

Am I doing something wrong? Or is the tree just limited without the extra points from dragonflight?

[keen aurora]

I feel like I get my dots up then just sit around waiting for a 4 or 5 seconds to have enough energy to do anything

[weak horizon]

Yeah, and by then I need to start redotting if carnage isn't up

And then I'm back to waiting for more energy

[keen aurora]

Exactly

[subtle tundra]

you guys mean aoe?

[south sapphire]

No way, IC is giga energy gen

[keen aurora]

Specifically when IC isn't up

[weak horizon]

Yeah ^

[keen aurora]

With IC up yeah it's totally fine, but the other 45s are just waiting

[subtle tundra]

then you guys are doing something wrong

probably not applying bleeds

[keen aurora]

I'm doing garr-garr-garr-CT-FOK-rup-FOK-rup

[subtle tundra]

but thats just your opener

after 15 seconds your garrote fall off

[keen aurora]

Yeah, and I'm saying that after that opener I literally do not have enough energy to use builders for 3-4 seconds at a time

[subtle tundra]

oh no oh no

not another case...

of instant poison

instant poison strikes again?

[keen aurora]

Oh God I hope that's not what it is

[weak horizon]

Wait, I shouldn't be using instant poison?

[subtle tundra]

oh no oh no

ofc not

what the fuck

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[night turtle]

[weak horizon]

wait, nevermind, i'm using deadly poison so i think i'm good

how does deadly poison vs instant poison factor into energy though? Does venomous wounds not proc off instant?

[subtle tundra]

ofc it doesnt, instant poison doesnt apply to mobs anything

therefore mobs arent affected by any poison

[weak horizon]

ohhh duh

ok

[copper hazel]

instant isnt ticking, deadly is 😄

[night turtle]

It would be fun to learn folks are using Instant over Deadly given that Deadly is the first talent in the Assassination tree.

[weak horizon]

on the bright side, i was using deadly poison, on the not so bright side i think i'm defnitely playing the spec wrong

because i still get energy starved lol

[keen aurora]

Yeah I'll have to check my poison when I'm at home but I'm pretty sure I wasn't using instant

[weak horizon]

maybe i'm spending too many CP on CT over rupture

[subtle tundra]

garrote and rupture makes it so you regen energy

if you dont have 4-5 dots of those kind you will starve

[keen aurora]

I know, I've been playing sin the majority of the xpac and haven't had any issues with it. It's literally only been an issue since the prepatch, so I wasn't sure if it was just me

[subtle tundra]

what if you didnt talent into venomous wounds

[south sapphire]

[keen aurora]

I did, copied from the wowhead M+ tree

[south sapphire]

Idk just apply your garrotes and your ruptures and you have more than enough energy

[keen aurora]

Weird, okay. Maybe my dumbass really was using instant

[copper hazel]

using IC spreads them too, so the energy regen from those should be overflowing

[keen aurora]

Yeah again during IC I haven't had any issues, just the time when it's on CD and I go from having 8 rup 8 garr to 3

[copper hazel]

yeh i guess then you just have to manage a bit better

make sure the gar and rups are out

manually

[stiff robin]

Can’t wait to test slight dps boost today

[green harbor]

any sign of the duskwalker hotfix incoming?

[dusty olive]

[green harbor]

pins don't answer my question, i'm going to assume no

[dusty olive]

I was about to dig into blue posts to see if they know its not working, but no word on it being fixed.

[copper hazel]

if it was fixed, you can be sure the pin would have been updated by now

[uncut echo]

Since it's not in pins, what lego is prepatch running in stead of duskwalker

[bitter aurora]

deathly

[subtle tundra]

[bitter aurora]

dont accidentally use shadowdust thinking its deathly like me

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

@subtle tundra you still doomer?

[uncut echo]

Who isn't doomer for sin until we can dtb + second cap

[subtle tundra]

literally nothing changed

[subtle tundra]

who cares about that

[uncut echo]

Me?

I mean the spec won't be good in m+ until they fundamentally rework it with the route they're going

Just making crank 1-2 targets

[subtle tundra]

yes thats why im dooming

[spice spire]

Damn homie, hope it works out

[subtle tundra]

can always give up on assa

[spice spire]

Unreal

WW main speaking

[subtle tundra]

feral main

the good bleed spec

[dense yoke]

never give up on sin

through thick and thin

[uncut echo]

Can't relate

Outlaw is too zoomer

Sin too doomer

Sub

[weak isle]

sub

[uncut echo]

1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2

[weak isle]

assassin is legit 123 123 123 123

we are equal

[uncut echo]

Bleed go brr

[subtle tundra]

wat

[weak isle]

also

giga psycho's play with 123

[subtle tundra]

assa is nowhere near close 123 in df

[weak isle]

neither is sub xD

[uncut echo]

Exacrly

[subtle tundra]

isnt sub the same in df as in sl?

[weak isle]

to some extend

still not 112 112 112

[subtle tundra]

in st, yea ig

but in big aoe its still 12?

[weak isle]

AoE its now 123

we gained a button

[weak horizon]

what do these numbers mean?

[weak isle]

how many buttons u press

our AoE was 2 buttons

now its 3

[uncut echo]

Fuck secret tech

[weak isle]

its a good talent now

[uncut echo]

Sure it is

[weak isle]

[spice spire]

#subtlety

We’re tab mains in aoe here

[uncut echo]

Any tabbers?

TabDab

[vestal wren]

subtlety, that needs to tab AND position correctly

[spice spire]

What do you think sin aoe is? Gabagool time? You’re still garrote tab x4, fok ruptuting, garroting where you can, in between IC stuff. It’s been that way for a bit.

Though I did forget you mentioned that sub aoe might be spreading ruptures now

Which is kind of cursed

[subtle tundra]

spread those sbs, hit those ERs, get that full pandamics into exsang

fuck me assa aoe be so dogshit

just to do no dps

[vestal wren]

the problem is not the rupture spreading

it is that the secondary target rupture does require you to have the target as nearest that you want to apply it

making your position very relevant

[subtle tundra]

oh, no smart targeting

you got hit with the sbs treatment

huh

[vestal wren]

realz did say he possibly fixes this in the future

[subtle tundra]

you get what you deserve

[vestal wren]

but yes, targeting is basically "closest target" atm

towards the opener from quake

i think it is hard to avoid usng garrote 3 times without something like IC

[limber lion]

lmao

The rake talent for Ferals, which is basically the same thing, is super duper smart

It applies to targets in range of your target which don't have rake on them, or if they do then it applies it to the target with the lowest duration left on rake

Weird that Replicating Shadows does not follow that same logic considering they pretty much have the code in the game already

[sullen hollow]

duskwalkers is with deathmark now?

[spice spire]

It’s supposed to

But it isn’t

[sullen hollow]

will this have us play amp over deadly now or still just be deadly

[dark token]

playing sin shadowdust with kb/exang is pretty fun actually

you guys should try it

similar dps to deadly shadows

[night delta]

most likely you'd take this talent when going DTB, in which case that'd be both

and switch to instant + deadly in aoe heavy situations

[sullen hollow]

mainly thinking atm

since the buffs hit into prepatch

[night delta]

ah, this I have no clue

[sullen hollow]

tomorrow for me as european

[regal sable]

i think it would be fun to watch whispyr trying to optimize an aoe sim for shadowdust exsang assa

[thorn fjord]

So Deathly>Shadow dust

?

[copper hazel]

for sin, atm, yes

[spice spire]

If you want to watch him go bald

Go off homie

[oak sky]

Good thing dust will never get optimized

[regal sable]

it is 100% from a place of sadism and not anything related to enjoying sims

[spice spire]

Brother?

You okay?

[regal sable]

is it assassination channel without exsanguinate talk every 2 hours?

[spice spire]

Perhaps

[thorn fjord]

We dont talk about the hemmroid

[jovial adder]

Did they fix dusk yet?

[thorn fjord]

Nope

[regal sable]

no idea

[dark token]

ye shadowdust exang is fun cause you exang again immediately once exang finishes

[molten timber]

They'll fix dusk 1 week before launch 🙂

[dark token]

can someone link me their sin raidbots sim ty

i wanna steal some stuff

[regal sable]

clearly the play is to go back in time and spec exsang with season 3 uhr to double exsang a bleed

[spice spire]

Alacrity was too good then, sorry homie

[regal sable]

sometimes its not about balance, its about sending a message

[spice spire]

And that message is

[regal sable]

a red flag for being a psychopath to anyone that stumbles across your logs

[spice spire]

Eve, homie, I’m concerned

[outer cairn]

man they still haven't fixed dusk

sad

[regal sable]

its being deleted in 4 weeks so

probably not the main focus

[outer cairn]

true

[sand sigil]

!spreadsheet

!excel

wtf is the command lmao

[regal sable]

omg

its the murloc from the 12 month sub deal

[sand elm]

any1 else in EU having connection issues?

[regal sable]

yes

[neat plank]

yea cant get online

[wary ice]

!fuu ?

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

^ that is still season 4 sims tho

[neat plank]

the dungeon slice for assassination is depressing

[vestal wren]

i mean it isn't relevant anymore

because of dragonflight changes

[grim tangle]

hey did they fix my covenant

[thorn fjord]

How is sin simming 10k lower than pirate for me right now LOL

on ST

[spice spire]

Prepatch shenanigan

[thorn fjord]

Take it with a grain of salt then?

It cant be THAT far behind

[peak bobcat]

We'll let you know in 4 weeks

[thorn fjord]

lol

RIP

shits crazy

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8hT2SYnBfibozAnpkifFnj

could be my talent selection

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e8poDafbyHWn4f1FkV3LZM

compared to this

lol

Wheres @subtle tundra

I wanna see his skill tree

[subtle tundra]

why would you

im playing least amount of keybinds build

[thorn fjord]

Werent you pumping?

[subtle tundra]

no?

[thorn fjord]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

i was doing tank dps

[thorn fjord]

RIP

[limber lion]

Yeah your sim could use a bit of work there

but 4 points aint gonna make up for that 10k difference let me tell ya

[neat plank]

whatever im just gonna play sin in DF, if its really bad im sure Blizz will buff it

[distant plinth]

like whole Shadowlands basicly :(?

[dense yoke]

sin was good in 9.1

[distant plinth]

hmm, i remember only seeing sub players

[subtle tundra]

sin is unlikely to be bad in raid and unless you plan on pushing m+ it wont matter if its good or not

[neat plank]

yeah im mostly a m+ player 😄

[subtle tundra]

oh well

good luck!

cause, uh, i also need it

delete exsanguinate

[thorn fjord]

Sin was great in Sanct and Sepul @distant plinth

[grim tangle]

not when I played it

[thorn fjord]

Seems like a you issue 😛

[royal lantern]

it was really bad until they made the big hotfix patch

with a big aura buff+ getting CttC as a passive

after that it was good, before that? nope

[thorn fjord]

Yeah it was def doodoo for nathria up until that big change towards the end

[royal lantern]

and like, during SoD assa was good

slightly behind sub until they buffed the SoD sets, then it was equal overall

[thorn fjord]

Sin was really good during sanctum.... i played it the whole tier minus KT

[royal lantern]

i played it the whole tier plus KT

[thorn fjord]

I played sub for KT

Was in the down group

[royal lantern]

me aswell

holding vendetta every time

[thorn fjord]

yeah fuck that

Played sub used CD's on pull and had flag up for down time and just used that

Was still slightly better than holding Vend for down

But overall dmg sucked for me

So i just went sub

[grim tangle]

what a stupid boss

[royal lantern]

KT?

[thorn fjord]

Worst boss design this expansion was Stone Legion

ez

[royal lantern]

nah, KT pre nerf

[thorn fjord]

KT was stupid too though imo

[royal lantern]

when you still had the WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT gameplay

multiple times

[thorn fjord]

My guild is dumb and we still struggled with that after the nerf

[rain oyster]

did they fix dustwalker's?

[night delta]

[rain oyster]

later date blizz time or valve time?

cmon blizzy

[subtle tundra]

probably never

[night delta]

soon (tm)

[subtle tundra]

cause prepatch so who cares

blizz doesnt

[limber lion]

Does anyone have Doomblade

In their inventory

[spice spire]

Yes but not home

[limber lion]

If you're home and you have a Doomblade legendary in your inventory, and/or other legendaries, report yourself

to me that is

[subtle tundra]

possibly

i shall check

[limber lion]

Tyty

[regal sable]

i do

wait if ur gonna ask me to go in game and look at it my sub expired 7 hours ago

so

[subtle tundra]

it seems it has been deleted

[peak bobcat]

I have my 262 from 9.1

[limber lion]

rip

[limber lion]

rip

[limber lion]

bless, do you have the simc addon? And if you do could you send me the string?

[peak bobcat]

Will get it to you as soon as I’m done this meeting

[balmy condor]

for the future, doomblade is bonus id 7116

[limber lion]

what future?

but ok nice tyty

[coral agate]

I take it that the Duskwalkers is still bugged?

[balmy condor]

the future where you're simming doomblade

[limber lion]

I was honestly just too lazy to make it manually

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

pin still says it is yeh

[coral agate]

T_T

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-conch-spongebob-pulling-string-magic-conch-shell-pull-gif-16295324

Duskwalker has not been fixed yet

[thorn fjord]

should change that to *will never be fixed 🤣

[night delta]

all hail the mighty conch pin

[peak bobcat]

[regal sable]

renaming duskwalkers to dustcrawlers and reducing the cd of deathmark by 0.001 per 100 energy spent

its working guys trust

[thorn fjord]

Lol @balmy condor doing God's work

[tawdry radish]

IT WILL NEVER WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coral agate]

For those in the Beta, how is Sin/Sub compared to Outlaw? I love Rogue but just not a fan of Outlaw and don't want to be shorhorned into it if possible

[subtle tundra]

[dark token]

copy="Master Assassin"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7111

copy="Tiny Toxic Blade"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7112

copy="Bloodfang"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7113

copy="Invigorating Shadowdust"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7114

copy="Dashing Scoundrel"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7115

copy="Doomblade"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7116

copy="Zoldyck Insignia"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7117

copy="Duskwalker's Patch"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7118

copy="Greenskin's Wickers"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7119

copy="Guile Charm"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7120

copy="Celerity"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7121

copy="Concealed Blunderbuss"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7122

copy="Finality"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7123

copy="Akaari"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7124

copy="The Rotten"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7125

copy="Deathly Shadows"
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7126

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[dark token]

take off your non unity lego and run this in advanced sim

[limber lion]

bro

I know

but that's not gonna work in top gear is it

[dark token]

nah

its annoying me too

[limber lion]

that's why I need an actual Doomblade legendary

[dark token]

how the feature was removed for prepatch

[limber lion]

the shirts don't do anything in top gear

[dark token]

ur trying to see if adding doomblade lego and subtracting a point from doomblade is better ye?

[limber lion]

I don't use the doomblade point anyways in the talents

but yeah doomblade was simming quite high for me

outside of duskies

[celest ruin]

i saved all my legendaries except for dashing rip

[dense yoke]

was the amp bug fixed?

[slate scarab]

I'm a medium skill rogue (just for a point of reference) and I'm having trouble with all the new activated skills. It feels like I have a bunch more to watch/monitor than I ever did before.

I am Kingsbane path right now but was planning to go double deadly poisons when expansion hits just because I need more passives vs actives (but giving up Kingsbane without getting the double deadly poison feels like a really big drop off). Any ideas on how to chop an activated skill or 2 off and still be decent until then? Don't need to be top DPS, just decent is fine.

[vestal wren]

you need to remove the legendary from your gear to use that

else you would run sims with 3 legendary powers

(should be easy to find, the numbers start with 7)

[weak horizon]

Which legendary is deathly

[regal sable]

the one called "deathly shadows"

[limber lion]

The one that says deathly

[regal sable]

gives u % dmg after vanish

and 5 cp

[weak horizon]

Oh I thought that was a sub legendary

[fleet anchor]

Yeah you should just be able to sub out the bonus ID and paste into top gear

like

neck=,id=178927,gem_id=173129,bonus_id=7114/6647/6650/6935/8156/7882/1588
into
neck=,id=178927,gem_id=173129,bonus_id=7116/6647/6650/6935/8156/7882/1588

Shadowdust -> Doomblade

[proper tapir]

So the passive talents part is easy, just take the passive ones. The part about doing decent damage is tricky, we don't actually know what's going to be good in DF. Maybe the passive build will be best! But probably not....

[vestal wren]

or neck=,id=178927,gem_id=173129,bonus_id=6647/6650/6935/8156/7882/1588

if you want to use the copy/paste thing frozen posted

[regal sable]

which skills did you play last season?

Venthyr/CT/Alacrity?

[warm urchin]

Is deathly way better than zoldyck Lego even for m+?

[slate scarab]

I think passive will be fine in the expansion, but for some reason it needs 1 more point to get to the keystone talent than Kingsbane does, and we won't get that point until we can level again.

Last season I did a lot of outlaw just because it was so much easier in M+, but I am Sin for 90% of the time through the years. When I was Sin I was doing Elaborate Planning, MA, Vigor, Alacrity, Crimson Tempest

[regal sable]

Well keeping CT, talenting SBS, and pathing towards DTB is a mostly passive general purpose cleave/dungeon build that might not be 100% optimized but shouldn't give any troubles

with almost 0 extra buttons compared to last season

[spare lantern]

is it just me or is something wrong with energy regen

[night delta]

might still wanna get a class tree capstone

[regal sable]

fair

[regal sable]

energy regen has been altered because of how many energy reduc talents there are

[spare lantern]

hm

[peak bobcat]

back=,id=173242,bonus_id=7116/7882/8156/6647/6649/1588
@limber lion

[spare lantern]

looks like venomous wounds doenst work for me

[peak bobcat]

??

do you have poisons on

[spare lantern]

yea

it even shows on details that it gives energy

but still

i mean if it should give 6 energy each time rp and grt deal dmg

with deathmark it should be double

i have 17 % haste atm

is it low maybe?

[echo cargo]

Amp poison good for ST now or still go deadly? 👀

[burnt zodiac]

So what is best to be running legendary wise, i heard dusk doesnt help with deathmark, so is it better to run Zoldyck or Deathly shadows instead?

[regal sable]

nevermind whispyr removed the old pin recommending deathly

but yea the answer is yes

[burnt zodiac]

im guessing zoldyck probably not as good as deathly

[regal sable]

that seems to be the case

[burnt zodiac]

thx homie

[spare lantern]

im dumb :/ i accidentally used instant poison

[winter gale]

Is there any default pve build for assa atm?

Pinned or linked*

[copper hazel]

theres some in the wowhead guide

[violet jackal]

http://tiny.cc/3rftuz

[prime anchor]

Hi guys new to the rogue scene, just finsih levelling to 60 and i am about to craft my leggo, dustwlker but cant seem to find vendetta on my talent or spell book is that a bug?

[minor jetty]

Vendetta is gone, and Dusk does not work with it's replacement Deathmark from my understanding of the previous conversations

[prime anchor]

Oh ok ty vm, so zoldyk is the beat next thing

[minor jetty]

zold or deathly, I believe deathly is considered the better option

[sharp falcon]

can i bother someone who has dusk on live to double check this for me ?

[balmy condor]

loggin in

[sharp stump]

Just whacked a dummy, dusk still not reducing it at all

Deathmark not getting any CDR

[sharp falcon]

thanks

[slate scarab]

I'll try it, thanks for the idea

[sharp stump]

If we're following the generic ST build w/ DS and BS, if we're at 4 combo points and we get a BS proc, do we use it even tho it generates 3-4 combo points, or do we go for a mutilate and save it for after we've used a finisher to get the max combo points

[spice spire]

We’d use the bs proc

Mutilate has a chance to proc another bs proc, and ambush creates less CP in potentia than Mut

[timid cloud]

Was there supposed to be a hotfix, Realz?

[timid cloud]

Deadly

[mortal pike]

Any sweet updated build for prepatch after the changes ? I want to try some assa this week

[timid cloud]

I just want Dusk to be fixed.

[mortal pike]

[grim tangle]

I just want Necrolord to be fixed.

[wicked valve]

Im confused, did they say they're going to fix dusk? It's going away very soon anyway right? Why even tempt us with how much better it makes deathmark if they're going to remove it.

[balmy condor]

it was supposed to be fixed today

[mortal pike]

And..it wasn't?

[balmy condor]

well if it were I wouldn't have said "supposed to"

[mortal pike]

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

I guess I’ll just die.

[main solar]

I definitely checked it earlier today after servers came back up and it still wasn't fixed. If it wasn't hotfixed later in the day then no, it doesn't work.

[lyric pecan]

Is a second Edge of Night a worthwhile investment of my last Dinar if I already have one? I have no clue if Banshee's Blight will stack, or proc faster, or anything with another.

Sorry if that's a dumb question.

[tacit pebble]

blizz not fixing anything that'd make the spec more fun!!!

[outer cairn]

Yeah its still bis to double eon

[lyric pecan]

Thanks! Good to know.

[outer cairn]

trying to get a second because i was playing outlaw. life sucks

[timid cloud]

More damage from double EON

[lyric pecan]

Yeah I got one with my first dinar, outlaw mainhand with the second, now was wondering what to use my last on.

[inner temple]

cache

[lyric pecan]

I have a cache.

[timid cloud]

Also, I need a fact checker, but someone said recently they upped proc rates on stuff like the daggers, fist from Painsmith, etc.

[lyric pecan]

And I also don't like it.

But yeah I thought of that too

[timid cloud]

I don’t know how to tell though, so I need a mathematician to help.

Cache isn’t hard or bad to use. Just only ever choose axe.

[lyric pecan]

Yep, I know

[timid cloud]

It’s pretty fire & forget.

[lyric pecan]

I just get grumpy at click trinkets, but you're entirely right.

[timid cloud]

Fair enough.

[lyric pecan]

I appreciate the advice, though. Thank you.

[timid cloud]

I just use Decanter / Cache for Outlaw.

Then for Sin I use Injector & Decanter, still on the fence if I wanna get my scars, but honestly. I’ll probably just use it for mythic mog.

[lyric pecan]

I've been using heraldry/hateful just because they were the best I have other than cache, but I might give cache another try.

I'm certainly not optimized.

[timid cloud]

If you get the grim rail one it’s more verse for the same level.

Because no one ever uses it, which is pain in & of itself.

As much as I love SLG-H

[lyric pecan]

Makes sense, yeah we'll see what I get.

My rogue was a third-string alt before prepatch, but now I've kind of fallen in love all over again.

(Just wish Catlike Reflexes from the Sub Artifact had come back. 😦 )

[timid cloud]

Many a deaths caused by losing that.

[pure skiff]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[tacit pebble]

that's not a possible opener with subterfuge not talented right?

[south sapphire]

It's not

[sand elm]

no cos u cant use ambush outside of stealth without subterfuge or blindside

[tacit pebble]

hm

i think there might be a sim error there if its displaying correctly

[mortal pike]

Poison bomb is doing so much damage

So does deathmark follow vendetta logic where you want to do a full reappply as it fadlls?

[balmy condor]

no

duped things drop

[balmy condor]

can you link the sim

[dark token]

Exang shadowdust isn't optimized in sim :(

[dusk summit]

With the recent tuning did that fix amp poison or anything else?

[balmy condor]

never say these words again

[balmy condor]

have you tried looking at the pins

I even re-pinned it

to try and get people to read it

[tacit pebble]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vmME31jZJYX7miGdbr7exs

[dark token]

Interesting talent build. Try dropping improved poisons and fatal concoction for lethal dose, doomblade, and exang, I bet it will be huge dmg diff

[tacit pebble]

it sims 30 dps higher, decided i'd rather not play exsan and have fun

[dark token]

Really 2/2 lethal dose doesn't sim better than fatal concoction?

[sand elm]

based

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rMDHyjfpVNmHs7bLZgrY5D

No exang

[sand elm]

[dark token]

Exang vs no exang w/ lethal dose/doomblade vs ur current build if ur curious

[tacit pebble]

dang tru, thx

[dark token]

I also feel like shadowdust is very fun atm and better DPS than deadly but people call me insane

I used my outlaw one as I didn't wanna spend gold on another sin lego and it was surprisingly good

[balmy condor]

Probably fine

[balmy condor]

should be fixed tomorrow

[mortal pike]

kinda sad deathmark dots dont persist

would make it a little more engaging

[grim tangle]

no

[sand elm]

[teal snow]

Just got my first dinar on my baby rogue...Cache a good rogue trinket or nah?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

anyone having issue with shadowstep mouseover macro?

i cant mouseover raid frames anymore for some weird reason

Tried these: #showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists, nodead][] shadowstep
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm][@mouseover,help] [] Shadowstep

/cast [@mouseover,exists][@target,exists] Shadowstep

[split grail]

Is mutilate always gonna give 2 cp or is that a talent now? Trying to figure out if I need to modify my weakauras based on talent choice

[balmy condor]

seal fate exists

mut is 2cp baseline

it's the exact same it's always been

[split grail]

ty

[strange python]

bump mouseover weirdness

[balmy condor]

shadowstep weird

there used to be some shit for it

but that got fixed

dunno

[strange python]

macro worked before prepatch so must be something they added

[balmy condor]

feel like there was a setting

for cast on player only

or something like that

in interface maybe?

might want to rifle through some of those

see if there's a setting in there somewhere that could mess it up

[strange python]

hm mcant find it

[tacit pebble]

damn kingsbane actually does some pretty fat dmg

65k ticks

in execute

[dark token]

My shadowstep macro works fine before and after prepatch

[dark token]

It's confirmed it gets zoldycked and dashing scoundreled ye? Hard to tell because nowhere in the game tells u

[tacit pebble]

not sure it is actually, hard to confirm but my execute kingsbanes don't look noticeably different from out of execute kingsbanes.

very small sample size for fights without damage modifiers that I got an execute KB in though

more I look through logs more I want to say kingsbane isn't boosted by zoldycks

[balmy condor]

it is not

[oak sky]

ive been gaslit on that so many times

wish we had a real execute node down there

[dusk summit]

I usually check on my phone and always forget it's there. My bad. Thanks

[spice spire]

You should call her

[tacit pebble]

yea thats kinda lame, seems like one of my poisons to me!!!

[oak sky]

if i had a her to call 😢

[spice spire]

Get gas lit idiot

[balmy condor]

rizzless

[dark token]

This is funny especially cause zoldyck is the node immediately proceeding it

You would think they synergize cause the tooltips say they do and they are right next to each other but naw

[hoary acorn]

Why they dont sinergyze? Kingsbane description say "Releas a lethal poison from your weapons" and Zoldyck states "your poisons and bleeds deal X increased damage to gargets below 30% health". It should sinergyze. Isnt it?

[dark token]

Deathmark also says it doubles ur lethal poisons but it dont double kingsbane

[balmy condor]

it's just a balance thing

things are excluded from effects all the time

[dark token]

Pretty sure it's not affected by lethal dose either

L

[balmy condor]

no, that it is

[hoary acorn]

BTW, is the poison popup menu buged for you too guys?

[tacit pebble]

if kingsbane could double the single would have to be pretty weak

[dark token]

It's not tho. Fix the effects to make sense then nerf accordingly if op

Tooltips and mechanics being "haha jk not for this thing" is stupid

[balmy condor]

they did

that's literally whats happening

[oak sky]

mf ur with your high school sweetheart you havent needed rizz for like 6 years

[balmy condor]

7 lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[spice spire]

7.33 LMAO

Get woke buddy

[balmy condor]

closer to 7.5 actually

L math

[spice spire]

Mf im not actually gonna pull out the ol 7.41

[balmy condor]

I'm not gonna check that number

[spice spire]

I wouldn’t

It’s almost certainly rounded incorrectly

[pliant flare]

legendary rogue rizz

[dark token]

Really cause the following still happen:

• cold blood doesn't work on bleeds
• cold blood doesn't work on kingsbane
• deathmark doesn't work on kingsbane
• zoldyck doesn't work on kingsbane
• zoldyck doesn't work on poison bomb/envenom despite dashing working
• dashing doesnt work on kingsbane despite the above
• lethal dose doesn't work on kingsbane
• sepsis is fucking confusing with a kingsbane like effect and nature dmg but not being a poison in any way, except it works on lethal dose randomly

There's a few more I'm sure I forgot

[pliant flare]

whispyr can u write a guide on having conversations with women im struggling

[balmy condor]

didn't read thanks for your opinion though

[pliant flare]

is it in the pins

[spice spire]

“Put the cat ears on”

[peak bobcat]

“Reroll”

That’s how you get bitches

[pliant flare]

reroll to what

[peak bobcat]

Feral

[pliant flare]

yeah urite

feral fux

[peak bobcat]

Feral is everything I want assas to be

Sick bleed spec

[dense jackal]

yeah it is

[next arch]

With our dinars,
Eon Eon Trinket
or
Eon Trinket Eon

my trinkets are kinda lacking so I can make a point for option B, but its 2 EoN that much better?

[hallow peak]

If only there was a way we could tell

[next arch]

Yay, another sim.

[balmy condor]

I'd think double eon

[pure skiff]

Not to bad

[molten depot]

Playing around with sin rogue for a bit. Was Vendetta pruned??

[spice spire]

For deathmark yes

[unique laurel]

sorry i may have missed it.. was amp posion still not functioning properly

[balmy condor]

correct

[unique laurel]

awesome. cheers @balmy condor im trying to play catchup with the info atm

[balmy condor]

same

smile

[brazen zodiac]

[cosmic sandal]

so uh we using the same talent build thats on the wowhead for st or is there a secret new one thats been theory crafted from the buffs

[balmy condor]

same

the real secret is actually: ||we don't give a fuck about prepatch builds if you want to do damage go play outlaw its like 35% ahead||

[cosmic sandal]

god bless

[next arch]

Even on single target, makes me sick.

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean prepatch is a dragonflight patch

using shadowlands content

and shadowlands systems

and you're 10 levels under

[cosmic sandal]

Does it get better at 70 but

[balmy condor]

it's not supposed to be balanced

[next arch]

Of course not.

[balmy condor]

it's balanced for dragonflight at 70

idk

Im just sick of getting dm's like "when do I cast kingsbane with venthyr"

bro idk

in 3 weeks you don't

leave me alone

[cosmic sandal]

lmao

[next arch]

Im not looking forward to 70 on rogues, just because of the final talents on the rogue tree. Played Kyrian most of the time, it was fun for a time, but please no more.
Energy tea is boring and Dance is just a sub thing in my eyes

[cosmic sandal]

exactly how i feel

[balmy condor]

well you're in luck because right now sin never takes dance

I can't get it to even sim remotely well

[next arch]

Tea I can deal with. Its boring but its nice for that energy burst.

not looking forward to the Kyrian ability though, I used it for ages already but thats just me.

[balmy condor]

these trees are identical for all PvE purposes in dragonflight

(the image in the top right really ruined my MS paint skills)

[jade abyss]

We are the best specc right

[rich vine]

fixed?

[balmy condor]

pog

hotfixed

[balmy condor]

thematically for sure

[balmy condor]

seems like live is still bugged

[steel ridge]

oh damn

so no amplifying tonight

[oak sky]

Cant wait to be off meta again

Off meta sin channel best sin channel

[fallen arch]

somebody has got to do it

I mean, what if all windwalkers all of a sudden had to do break the meta

[jade abyss]

Idk whats so hard to fix all that stuff like vendetta legendary and other things...

[fallen arch]

that'd be messy

Dude, they're literally launching an expansion in 3 weeks

[oak sky]

I bet you would be surprised at how hard some things are tbh

[fallen arch]

you think that fixing a vendetta leggo for prepatch is anywhere on their prio liost

[oak sky]

yeah not to mention time

[fallen arch]

sbs has been bugged to hell all of SL

what makes you think they'll fix a trivial legendary at this moment

[next arch]

Because me want!!! 😡

[heady wigeon]

Play other Lego

[jade abyss]

I remember on all that sbs bugs

[heady wigeon]

Literally we suck is not a fixed Lego who change anything

[fallen arch]

And who cares that we suck at this point

Itm’s prepatch

It’s not like that you need your dps to kill bosses now, they literally fall over

[heady wigeon]

Yeah bro already clean contents

Just wait

Or fish

[royal lantern]

me too, many are still a thing

[royal lantern]

3fated affixes btw

from this reset on

stuff dies even FASTER now

[jade abyss]

I look forward on lvl 70 i gave up assa this expansion ^^

[heady wigeon]

Bring back assa gap

[graceful crow]

yeah just chimin in to say that I love to play Outlaw, but I wish Assa will be meta and really viable for DF, the spec looks so fun to play and theorically really strong with all the dots and shit

Prayge

[jade abyss]

Was enjoying nathria and sod as sin rogue but sepulcher wasnt feel fine for me :<

[fallen arch]

it'll be fine

[jade abyss]

Expansion after df sin will be a heal spec 🙈

[steel ridge]

ok in case nobody said it yet for today:

delete exsang

[timid cloud]

Varas hasn’t said it yet.

I forgot to as well.

[steel ridge]

just looking at what raidbots is doing with it makes me wanna through up

[jade abyss]

Never heard from exsang

[subtle tundra]

annoying ass ability

you press it, nothing happens and remind yourself that now you have to pay attention to apply garrote/rupture just after they run out

and you have to hold cp for rupture

[balmy condor]

@versed rapids DM me when you get a chance :)

[subtle tundra]

wow

ok whispyr 😉

i see how you swing

[balmy condor]

infinite rizz hack

[next arch]

Why the hate, or joke hate? for exang ?

[balmy condor]

clunky ability, shit rotation, difficult to understand

[steel ridge]

its god awful and ruining an otherwise fluid rotation

[next arch]

It just speeds up the time at which your dots tick and thus expire right?

[steel ridge]

yes

[next arch]

Wack.

[balmy condor]

halves the duration

and snapshots their tick rate on cast

[steel ridge]

which brings all kinds of ungodly things with it

[next arch]

So use at the end of lust?

[balmy condor]

well typically use with cds

however not this time around

because now we're using it for the energy and raw added ticks

it also doesn't line up with our cooldowns for shit

so trying to sync causes missed casts in either direction

so you want to refresh gar and rup to max pandemic (another hidden mechanic in the game pog), and then exsang them

[royal lantern]

garrote rupture exsang mut mut envenom mut mut rupture garrote

[jade abyss]

All that hidden mechanics

[balmy condor]

the opener is a little weird

[royal lantern]

lets call them "stealth" mechanics

[balmy condor]

gar snd gar sbs rup mut mut mut rupture exsang deathmark

[subtle tundra]

also its a 1 pointer with a lot of value, if you dont take it you lose a lot

[balmy condor]

huge opener

[royal lantern]

wh 3x mut

[balmy condor]

yuh brother

deeper strat 6cp rupture

potent

[royal lantern]

just crit

[balmy condor]

yeah but why

when you can rng into not crit

[royal lantern]

crit is no rng

if you belive in yourself, crits just happen

[subtle tundra]

the way its positioned, unless shit gets changed a lot, you will play it in all situations the whole expansion

delete exsang

[jade abyss]

Wait we are rogues? We always crit !?

[balmy condor]

we are farmers

bum bubum bum bum bum bum

[subtle tundra]

im crying

[night delta]

I got an idea for change to exsang : half the duration but don't double the tickrate ; instead deal half the remaining damage immediately.

Say bye to half your gar/rupt energy

[balmy condor]

great idea

[night delta]

Make it a sniping tool

[balmy condor]

I thought it was impossible to make exsang worse

[royal lantern]

exsang always finds a way

its like CT in single target

[balmy condor]

but your brain actually is so massive, you designed the one way that's even more unplayably bad

[royal lantern]

it Always happens

[balmy condor]

that's impressive

[subtle tundra]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO 7 ILVL UPGRADE My LEVELING WILL BE SO EASY NOW LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

[iron orchid]

I thought you did not play pre-patch

[balmy condor]

he doesn't

he plays post-season

[subtle tundra]

obligatory raid

we're doing mount sales

to have moneyz for consumables

[night delta]

wanna improve my way of thinking, could you point to what makes the idea bad to you ?

Unironical, i wanna learn

[balmy condor]

problem is that it changes nothing rotationally with it and creates a tuning nightmare for pvp

the clunky gameplay is equally clunky

[vestal dune]

It also loses energy regen from the double tick rate

[balmy condor]

yeh, you're getting the same amount extra ticks, but now you're just not getting the energy from it either

[night delta]

This is intended, to try and make it unviable in general situations

[balmy condor]

so now it's lost the energy appeal as well

[night delta]

And make it more niche, like a sniping tool

[balmy condor]

okay and what do you do with it otherwise

[night delta]

Though the pvp issue yeah, you're right

[balmy condor]

you get to a boss, and you max out your pandemics

and then you press exsang

and it does a lil blip

now to improve it

you could make it line up with cooldowns to play into the burst thing

[vestal dune]

The biggest gain from that change might be being able to vanish garrote exsan garrote

you get more shrourded damage

[balmy condor]

imp gar*

shrouded doesn't give stealth damage

[vestal dune]

I am bad with names

[night delta]

This would improve the ability yeah ; I guess my "fix" was more aimed at people who don't like to play exsang period

Didn't try to make them like it, rather get it out of their way

Which has its faults as a design goal

[balmy condor]

its kinda going towards vein-ripper territory almost

but its like

doing not the things veinripper does

[night delta]

Also realized that my exsang would probably smash during dm

Which doesn't change much from the current situation

[balmy condor]

well it would cut dm in half too

I think that's fine

[night delta]

Oh yeah true

[balmy condor]

basically just all the same problems